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The Johnson exit betting now has 2022 as a 61% chance – politicalbetting.com

SystemSystem Posts: 8,489
edited January 12 in General
imageThe Johnson exit betting now has 2022 as a 61% chance – politicalbetting.com

As can be seen from the chart the BoJo exit date betting, as you might expect, has been very active today and now punters rate it as a 61% chance that he will be out this year.

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  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 18,982
    First
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 21,175
    Spursy.
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 2,945
    Did that changeover just Banjax the old thread?
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 18,144
    hannah brady - the woman mentioned by starmer during pmqs- is devastatingly angry and fiercely articulate. niall does a great job, here.
    https://twitter.com/euanmccolm/status/1481381468173737984
    https://twitter.com/skynewsniall/status/1481356695590813699
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 11,446
    4/1 which is coincidentally the odds I'm on at borexit22
  • FPT - Michael Spicer's published diaries give a lot of insight into how he handled the whole Letters to the Chief Whip deal.

    Don't remember the details, but perhaps worth re-perusing at this juncture
  • LeonLeon Posts: 14,735
    Stop doing new threads just after I've had my second glass of << checks notes >> Fautor Aurore Rara Neagru Vin Sec Rosu 2018

    You're interrupting my feistiness

    It is, by the way, a sensational wine. The viticulture of Moldova is a fucking revelation

    https://vidawines.co.uk/product/fautor-aurore-rara-neagra/


    https://www.decanter.com/wine-reviews/moldova/valu-lui-traian/fautor-aurore-rara-neagra-valu-lui-traian-moldova-2018-51902
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 2,945
    Pro_Rata said:

    Did that changeover just Banjax the old thread?

    Only for a moment if it did. Probably just my phone.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 6,890
    No way. Not a chance. None. Nada. He won’t quit. There aren’t enough MPs even willing to risk one of these fabled letters on an anonymous basis for fear of what comes next. He’s the nation’s collective penance for whatever ill has offended the Almighty and we shall all suffer accordingly for another three years.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 18,144
    Appalling and galling: Trust in Boris's leadership shattered after garden party 'apology' - Courier opinion
    https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/opinion/2904516/boris-johnson-garden-party-apology/?utm_source=twitter via @thecourieruk
  • Leon said:

    Stop doing new threads just after I've had my second glass of << checks notes >> Fautor Aurore Rara Neagru Vin Sec Rosu 2018

    You're interrupting my feistiness

    It is, by the way, a sensational wine. The viticulture of Moldova is a fucking revelation

    https://vidawines.co.uk/product/fautor-aurore-rara-neagra/


    https://www.decanter.com/wine-reviews/moldova/valu-lui-traian/fautor-aurore-rara-neagra-valu-lui-traian-moldova-2018-51902

    Wines of Moldova were one key reason why the Russians insisted on (re-) taking it (Bessarabia) in from the Romanians post 1944.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 11,446
    Scott_xP said:

    hannah brady - the woman mentioned by starmer during pmqs- is devastatingly angry and fiercely articulate. niall does a great job, here.
    https://twitter.com/euanmccolm/status/1481381468173737984
    https://twitter.com/skynewsniall/status/1481356695590813699

    About suffering they were never wrong,
    The old Masters: how well they understood
    Its human position: how it takes place
    While someone else is eating or opening a window or just walking dully along;
    How, when the aged are reverently, passionately waiting
    For the miraculous birth, there always must be
    Children who did not specially want it to happen, skating
    On a pond at the edge of the wood:
    They never forgot
    That even the dreadful martyrdom must run its course
    Anyhow, in a corner, some untidy spot
    Where the dogs go on with their doggy life, and the torturer's horse
    Scratches its innocent behind on a tree.

    Sure, every human tragedy is a yooman tragedy, but shit happens irrespective of what anyone else is doing. While your spouse of 50 years is dying someone somewhere is having a dump/wank/gin and tonic. This stuff is being overplayed. Not that I'm not delighted it is, mind.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 46,148
    Scott_xP said:

    hannah brady - the woman mentioned by starmer during pmqs- is devastatingly angry and fiercely articulate. niall does a great job, here.
    https://twitter.com/euanmccolm/status/1481381468173737984
    https://twitter.com/skynewsniall/status/1481356695590813699

    Christ. This lass claims the medics treating her father asked for Amazon vouchers so they could buy PPE.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 14,735

    Leon said:

    Stop doing new threads just after I've had my second glass of << checks notes >> Fautor Aurore Rara Neagru Vin Sec Rosu 2018

    You're interrupting my feistiness

    It is, by the way, a sensational wine. The viticulture of Moldova is a fucking revelation

    https://vidawines.co.uk/product/fautor-aurore-rara-neagra/


    https://www.decanter.com/wine-reviews/moldova/valu-lui-traian/fautor-aurore-rara-neagra-valu-lui-traian-moldova-2018-51902

    Wines of Moldova were one key reason why the Russians insisted on (re-) taking it (Bessarabia) in from the Romanians post 1944.
    Is that true? Brilliant, if so

    Because the wine is just amazing. This is maybe the 3rd or 4th stunner I have tried

    All of south east European wine is making a stellar comeback (the new Greek white wines! Ah!) but Moldova in particular is superb value
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 40,904
    Scott_xP said:

    My latest cartoon for tomorrow's @Telegraph

    Subscribe to my weekly newsletter to receive my unseen cartoons: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/premium/matt/? https://twitter.com/MattCartoonist/status/1481331534095437828/photo/1


    @Richard_Nabavi linked to that earlier but no complaint from me. It's a work of genius.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 28,661

    Scott_xP said:

    hannah brady - the woman mentioned by starmer during pmqs- is devastatingly angry and fiercely articulate. niall does a great job, here.
    https://twitter.com/euanmccolm/status/1481381468173737984
    https://twitter.com/skynewsniall/status/1481356695590813699

    Christ. This lass claims the medics treating her father asked for Amazon vouchers so they could buy PPE.
    Yes, me and my colleagues bought ours off Amazon in April 2020, as hospital stocks were heavily rationed.

    Meanwhile Johnson thought his staff having drinks in the sunshine were working.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 40,904
    Are we getting to the point when laying a 2022 departure is getting a whiff of value about it? When you remember the cringingly embarrassing way in which Tory backbenchers let the wretched May hang on and on and on despite losing what anyone else would have regarded as votes of no confidence time after time you begin to wonder. And this party is much more united on some things than hers was with the 3rd column Boris so brutally dispatched.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 18,144
    INDEPENDENT DIGITAL: ‘A man without shame’ #TomorrowsPapersToday https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/1481385296906559489/photo/1
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 18,144
    We spent all afternoon talking to Tory MPs and while a minority are calling for Boris Johnson to go now, most are waiting on the official report into #partygate by civil servant Sue Gray
    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-01-12/boris-johnson-buys-time-with-apology-but-u-k-tory-rage-simmers


    Spineless
  • HeathenerHeathener Posts: 489
    I think it will be the May locals which will do for Boris Johnson.

    People aren't going to forget nor forgive this.

    More fool the tories if they leave him in place.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 28,661
    DavidL said:

    Are we getting to the point when laying a 2022 departure is getting a whiff of value about it? When you remember the cringingly embarrassing way in which Tory backbenchers let the wretched May hang on and on and on despite losing what anyone else would have regarded as votes of no confidence time after time you begin to wonder. And this party is much more united on some things than hers was with the 3rd column Boris so brutally dispatched.

    Yes, and the craven moral cowardice of the planted questions at PMQs shows how little spine they have.

    A very plausible outcome of a VONC is Johnson winning because of various factions trying to prevent a rival from winning. Then we have to wait for 2023 for the next go.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 18,144
    Foxy said:

    A very plausible outcome of a VONC is Johnson winning because of various factions trying to prevent a rival from winning. Then we have to wait for 2023 for the next go.

    Or he narrowly wins a VONC and the next leaked video/email/photo appears...
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 40,904
    Foxy said:

    DavidL said:

    Are we getting to the point when laying a 2022 departure is getting a whiff of value about it? When you remember the cringingly embarrassing way in which Tory backbenchers let the wretched May hang on and on and on despite losing what anyone else would have regarded as votes of no confidence time after time you begin to wonder. And this party is much more united on some things than hers was with the 3rd column Boris so brutally dispatched.

    Yes, and the craven moral cowardice of the planted questions at PMQs shows how little spine they have.

    A very plausible outcome of a VONC is Johnson winning because of various factions trying to prevent a rival from winning. Then we have to wait for 2023 for the next go.
    You don't think washing machine regulations were the issue of the moment? With all this spinning going on it seemed to me to be highly timely.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 40,904
    Foxy said:

    Scott_xP said:

    hannah brady - the woman mentioned by starmer during pmqs- is devastatingly angry and fiercely articulate. niall does a great job, here.
    https://twitter.com/euanmccolm/status/1481381468173737984
    https://twitter.com/skynewsniall/status/1481356695590813699

    Christ. This lass claims the medics treating her father asked for Amazon vouchers so they could buy PPE.
    Yes, me and my colleagues bought ours off Amazon in April 2020, as hospital stocks were heavily rationed.

    Meanwhile Johnson thought his staff having drinks in the sunshine were working.
    They were in fairness buying their own bottles.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 1,506
    edited January 12

    GIN1138 said:
    In his dreams
    What about the argument though, your view is a bit binary? In or out. Leave remain. And Brexit always means Brexit.

    There is probably a billion changes that can be made to Boris Brexit and it could still be called Brexit?

    And the question, is there only one direction for Brexit from here? It can probably go this way or that. To me it’s unclear if Boris is a blocker or enabler in now divulging from the European social model, many would call true Brexit and the whole point of doing Brexit.

    I’ll give you one policy example in how Brexit can change if there is new leadership, but still be Brexit means Brexit. Many business backers of Brexit didn’t like Boris tough stance on visa’s in face of too many vacancies hurting business, new leadership could have a more business friendly approach on that question. The temporary workers that get the harvest in, cooks in care homes, waitress in hotels etc
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 68,136

    Scott_xP said:

    hannah brady - the woman mentioned by starmer during pmqs- is devastatingly angry and fiercely articulate. niall does a great job, here.
    https://twitter.com/euanmccolm/status/1481381468173737984
    https://twitter.com/skynewsniall/status/1481356695590813699

    Christ. This lass claims the medics treating her father asked for Amazon vouchers so they could buy PPE.
    I would be a little bit wary as that is a spokesperson for the Momentum front group who have been shall we say a little bit dishonest themselves in the past.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 17,076
    I remarked last night that the processing of two years of trauma was beginning. And that a tsunami of anger is coming. Wiser Tories may reflect that it may be better to dump the detritus on BoJo. He can, at least, make himself useful as national scapegoat.
    A change of face won't prevent the emotional outpouring. May just cement the Conservative as the target.
  • Beibheirli_CBeibheirli_C Posts: 5,247
    Heathener said:

    I think it will be the May locals which will do for Boris Johnson.

    People aren't going to forget nor forgive this.

    More fool the tories if they leave him in place.

    Well then, let us hope they keep him in charge and REALLY trash their electoral prospects
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 28,661
    DavidL said:

    Foxy said:

    DavidL said:

    Are we getting to the point when laying a 2022 departure is getting a whiff of value about it? When you remember the cringingly embarrassing way in which Tory backbenchers let the wretched May hang on and on and on despite losing what anyone else would have regarded as votes of no confidence time after time you begin to wonder. And this party is much more united on some things than hers was with the 3rd column Boris so brutally dispatched.

    Yes, and the craven moral cowardice of the planted questions at PMQs shows how little spine they have.

    A very plausible outcome of a VONC is Johnson winning because of various factions trying to prevent a rival from winning. Then we have to wait for 2023 for the next go.
    You don't think washing machine regulations were the issue of the moment? With all this spinning going on it seemed to me to be highly timely.
    Actually, it probably does matter more:

    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/sep/21/washing-machines-filters-microplastic-pollution-microfibres

    One of the problem of our delinquent would be world king is that all the government's efforts are going into fighting for his survival rather than actually tackling the problems of the country. Its going to be five wasted years.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 46,148
    Bet that publisher is so delighted they paid a zillion quid advance for the Johnson shakespeare book that no one will ever now buy.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 68,136

    Bet that publisher is so delighted they paid a zillion quid advance for the Johnson shakespeare book that no one will ever now buy.

    Could they ask for their money back.....Bankrupt Boris is going to be doing end of the pier shows to make the repayments at this rate.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 18,144
    GUARDIAN: PM’s future on knife-edge after No10 party apology #TomorrowsPapersToday https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/1481388582468304898/photo/1
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 5,056
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Stop doing new threads just after I've had my second glass of << checks notes >> Fautor Aurore Rara Neagru Vin Sec Rosu 2018

    You're interrupting my feistiness

    It is, by the way, a sensational wine. The viticulture of Moldova is a fucking revelation

    https://vidawines.co.uk/product/fautor-aurore-rara-neagra/


    https://www.decanter.com/wine-reviews/moldova/valu-lui-traian/fautor-aurore-rara-neagra-valu-lui-traian-moldova-2018-51902

    Wines of Moldova were one key reason why the Russians insisted on (re-) taking it (Bessarabia) in from the Romanians post 1944.
    Is that true? Brilliant, if so

    Because the wine is just amazing. This is maybe the 3rd or 4th stunner I have tried

    All of south east European wine is making a stellar comeback (the new Greek white wines! Ah!) but Moldova in particular is superb value
    It's on my to-visit list. Probably a loop through Ukraine, Transnistria, Romania and maybe back into Ukraine
  • RogerRoger Posts: 15,223
    edited January 12
    Heathener said:

    I think it will be the May locals which will do for Boris Johnson.

    People aren't going to forget nor forgive this.

    More fool the tories if they leave him in place.

    No they won't but I cant pretend that on a scale of taking us out of the EU so he could become PM by using some of the most odious xenophobia since Powell, a drinks party in Downing Street doesn't register very highly.

    Though anything that removes the spivvy little man is welcome particularly if he takes Patel with him
  • not_on_firenot_on_fire Posts: 4,217
    DavidL said:

    Foxy said:

    DavidL said:

    Are we getting to the point when laying a 2022 departure is getting a whiff of value about it? When you remember the cringingly embarrassing way in which Tory backbenchers let the wretched May hang on and on and on despite losing what anyone else would have regarded as votes of no confidence time after time you begin to wonder. And this party is much more united on some things than hers was with the 3rd column Boris so brutally dispatched.

    Yes, and the craven moral cowardice of the planted questions at PMQs shows how little spine they have.

    A very plausible outcome of a VONC is Johnson winning because of various factions trying to prevent a rival from winning. Then we have to wait for 2023 for the next go.
    You don't think washing machine regulations were the issue of the moment? With all this spinning going on it seemed to me to be highly timely.
    Definitely some dirty laundry being aired
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 40,904
    Scott_xP said:

    We spent all afternoon talking to Tory MPs and while a minority are calling for Boris Johnson to go now, most are waiting on the official report into #partygate by civil servant Sue Gray
    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-01-12/boris-johnson-buys-time-with-apology-but-u-k-tory-rage-simmers


    Spineless

    Sentence first, verdict afterwards, as the Red Queen explained. Sometimes this is the only way on the Treason never prospers principle.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 46,148
    MaxPB said:

    Just had dinner/pub with some City associates, a few donors among them. Until now they've been behind Boris, willing to laugh off any suggestions that he personally had broken lockdowns. The mood has definitely soured. Lots of personal anger that weddings and funerals were cancelled in lockdown while Boris partied at Number 10.

    It's generally a group that is reliably pro-Boris and they've all deserted him.

    The big change I saw tonight was that where until now the worry is that a new leader might put Brexit at risk of backsliding, now Boris staying and losing to Labour is seen as the big risk to ensuring Brexit isn't watered down. I think that view is probably shared by the ERG. Keeping Boris is seen as the riskier Brexit option for the Spartans than dumping him, at least that's the view I got today from City hedgies.

    Interesting. thanks.
  • MaxPB said:

    Just had dinner/pub with some City associates, a few donors among them. Until now they've been behind Boris, willing to laugh off any suggestions that he personally had broken lockdowns. The mood has definitely soured. Lots of personal anger that weddings and funerals were cancelled in lockdown while Boris partied at Number 10.

    It's generally a group that is reliably pro-Boris and they've all deserted him.

    The big change I saw tonight was that where until now the worry is that a new leader might put Brexit at risk of backsliding, now Boris staying and losing to Labour is seen as the big risk to ensuring Brexit isn't watered down. I think that view is probably shared by the ERG. Keeping Boris is seen as the riskier Brexit option for the Spartans than dumping him, at least that's the view I got today from City hedgies.

    Indeed. The Mail and Telegraph are unhappy with Boris on policy as well, particularly the NI rise and green policies
  • LeonLeon Posts: 14,735
    edited January 12
    Well done that Bristol jury. The police were too scared to intervene as a man set about the Gill sculpture (one of the most poetic pieces of public statuary in central London) so he was allowed to continue for two hours, thereby significantly damaging it, and the cops did absolutely nothing. They merely bleated "please come down and we can talk about it"

    Literally.

    We are lost. We have lost all cultural backbone and self confidence. We are finished as a civilisation, from Paris to Portland Place, from Seattle to Saint Denis. Endgame

    We will probably be allowed to boast about our property prices for a few more years


    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/central-london-bbc-headquarters-statue-eric-gill-b976377.html


  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 47,491
    edited January 12
    MaxPB said:

    Just had dinner/pub with some City associates, a few donors among them. Until now they've been behind Boris, willing to laugh off any suggestions that he personally had broken lockdowns. The mood has definitely soured. Lots of personal anger that weddings and funerals were cancelled in lockdown while Boris partied at Number 10.

    It's generally a group that is reliably pro-Boris and they've all deserted him.

    The big change I saw tonight was that where until now the worry is that a new leader might put Brexit at risk of backsliding, now Boris staying and losing to Labour is seen as the big risk to ensuring Brexit isn't watered down. I think that view is probably shared by the ERG. Keeping Boris is seen as the riskier Brexit option for the Spartans than dumping him, at least that's the view I got today from City hedgies.

    I would add that waiting the short time to Sue Gray's report is wise as she is reporting on all the alleged parties, and I would expect further revelations may well result in Boris resigning, or at the very least Brady telling him to do so

    I would just say that those who hope Boris going will see a movement to rejoin the EU will be very disappointed though an improved relationship outside the EU would be desirable
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 46,148

    Heathener said:

    I think it will be the May locals which will do for Boris Johnson.

    People aren't going to forget nor forgive this.

    More fool the tories if they leave him in place.

    Well then, let us hope they keep him in charge and REALLY trash their electoral prospects
    May elections will combine this shitshow of lies about parties and ludicrous denial about it was a work meeting with a massive cost of living energy bill and NI uplift.

    Slaughter in the shires.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 40,904
    edited January 12
    Foxy said:

    DavidL said:

    Foxy said:

    DavidL said:

    Are we getting to the point when laying a 2022 departure is getting a whiff of value about it? When you remember the cringingly embarrassing way in which Tory backbenchers let the wretched May hang on and on and on despite losing what anyone else would have regarded as votes of no confidence time after time you begin to wonder. And this party is much more united on some things than hers was with the 3rd column Boris so brutally dispatched.

    Yes, and the craven moral cowardice of the planted questions at PMQs shows how little spine they have.

    A very plausible outcome of a VONC is Johnson winning because of various factions trying to prevent a rival from winning. Then we have to wait for 2023 for the next go.
    You don't think washing machine regulations were the issue of the moment? With all this spinning going on it seemed to me to be highly timely.
    Actually, it probably does matter more:

    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/sep/21/washing-machines-filters-microplastic-pollution-microfibres

    One of the problem of our delinquent would be world king is that all the government's efforts are going into fighting for his survival rather than actually tackling the problems of the country. Its going to be five wasted years.
    That actually is interesting, and surely a no brainer. The dangers of these microplastics getting into our food chain are manifest.

    And anyway you are grossly exaggerating. 4 more years. Tops.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 17,076
    edited January 12

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Stop doing new threads just after I've had my second glass of << checks notes >> Fautor Aurore Rara Neagru Vin Sec Rosu 2018

    You're interrupting my feistiness

    It is, by the way, a sensational wine. The viticulture of Moldova is a fucking revelation

    https://vidawines.co.uk/product/fautor-aurore-rara-neagra/


    https://www.decanter.com/wine-reviews/moldova/valu-lui-traian/fautor-aurore-rara-neagra-valu-lui-traian-moldova-2018-51902

    Wines of Moldova were one key reason why the Russians insisted on (re-) taking it (Bessarabia) in from the Romanians post 1944.
    Is that true? Brilliant, if so

    Because the wine is just amazing. This is maybe the 3rd or 4th stunner I have tried

    All of south east European wine is making a stellar comeback (the new Greek white wines! Ah!) but Moldova in particular is superb value
    It's on my to-visit list. Probably a loop through Ukraine, Transnistria, Romania and maybe back into Ukraine
    Deleted. Gag made.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 46,148
    "does Johnson have the integrity to lead? More and more Tory MPs are coming to the conclusion the answer is no'

    Laura K.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 17,443
    Foxy said:

    DavidL said:

    Foxy said:

    DavidL said:

    Are we getting to the point when laying a 2022 departure is getting a whiff of value about it? When you remember the cringingly embarrassing way in which Tory backbenchers let the wretched May hang on and on and on despite losing what anyone else would have regarded as votes of no confidence time after time you begin to wonder. And this party is much more united on some things than hers was with the 3rd column Boris so brutally dispatched.

    Yes, and the craven moral cowardice of the planted questions at PMQs shows how little spine they have.

    A very plausible outcome of a VONC is Johnson winning because of various factions trying to prevent a rival from winning. Then we have to wait for 2023 for the next go.
    You don't think washing machine regulations were the issue of the moment? With all this spinning going on it seemed to me to be highly timely.
    Actually, it probably does matter more:

    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/sep/21/washing-machines-filters-microplastic-pollution-microfibres

    One of the problem of our delinquent would be world king is that all the government's efforts are going into fighting for his survival rather than actually tackling the problems of the country. Its going to be five wasted years.
    Indeed. Only this Pharaoh isn't going to listen to Moses.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 28,661

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Stop doing new threads just after I've had my second glass of << checks notes >> Fautor Aurore Rara Neagru Vin Sec Rosu 2018

    You're interrupting my feistiness

    It is, by the way, a sensational wine. The viticulture of Moldova is a fucking revelation

    https://vidawines.co.uk/product/fautor-aurore-rara-neagra/


    https://www.decanter.com/wine-reviews/moldova/valu-lui-traian/fautor-aurore-rara-neagra-valu-lui-traian-moldova-2018-51902

    Wines of Moldova were one key reason why the Russians insisted on (re-) taking it (Bessarabia) in from the Romanians post 1944.
    Is that true? Brilliant, if so

    Because the wine is just amazing. This is maybe the 3rd or 4th stunner I have tried

    All of south east European wine is making a stellar comeback (the new Greek white wines! Ah!) but Moldova in particular is superb value
    It's on my to-visit list. Probably a loop through Ukraine, Transnistria, Romania and maybe back into Ukraine
    Yes, I have been thinking about it too, but would add Bukovina and Odessa to the trip. Both sound really interesting.
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 2,640
    Scott_xP said:

    We spent all afternoon talking to Tory MPs and while a minority are calling for Boris Johnson to go now, most are waiting on the official report into #partygate by civil servant Sue Gray
    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-01-12/boris-johnson-buys-time-with-apology-but-u-k-tory-rage-simmers


    Spineless

    I do not envy Sue Gray. She is forever either going to be the woman who brought down a PM or a Hutton-esque figure. I bet that wasn’t in her job description.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 6,926
    MaxPB said:

    Just had dinner/pub with some City associates, a few donors among them. Until now they've been behind Boris, willing to laugh off any suggestions that he personally had broken lockdowns. The mood has definitely soured. Lots of personal anger that weddings and funerals were cancelled in lockdown while Boris partied at Number 10.

    It's generally a group that is reliably pro-Boris and they've all deserted him.

    The big change I saw tonight was that where until now the worry is that a new leader might put Brexit at risk of backsliding, now Boris staying and losing to Labour is seen as the big risk to ensuring Brexit isn't watered down. I think that view is probably shared by the ERG. Keeping Boris is seen as the riskier Brexit option for the Spartans than dumping him, at least that's the view I got today from City hedgies.

    No doubt they are massive supporters of his levelling up agenda.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 40,904

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Stop doing new threads just after I've had my second glass of << checks notes >> Fautor Aurore Rara Neagru Vin Sec Rosu 2018

    You're interrupting my feistiness

    It is, by the way, a sensational wine. The viticulture of Moldova is a fucking revelation

    https://vidawines.co.uk/product/fautor-aurore-rara-neagra/


    https://www.decanter.com/wine-reviews/moldova/valu-lui-traian/fautor-aurore-rara-neagra-valu-lui-traian-moldova-2018-51902

    Wines of Moldova were one key reason why the Russians insisted on (re-) taking it (Bessarabia) in from the Romanians post 1944.
    Is that true? Brilliant, if so

    Because the wine is just amazing. This is maybe the 3rd or 4th stunner I have tried

    All of south east European wine is making a stellar comeback (the new Greek white wines! Ah!) but Moldova in particular is superb value
    It's on my to-visit list. Probably a loop through Ukraine, Transnistria, Romania and maybe back into Ukraine
    Join the Russian army and you get to do that for free.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 46,148
    Leon said:

    Well done that Bristol jury. The police were too scared to intervene as a man set about the Gill sculpture (one of the most poetic pieces of public statuary in central London) so he was allowed to continue for two hours, thereby significantly damaging it, and the cops did absolutely nothing. They merely bleated "please come down and we can talk about it"

    Literally.

    We are lost. We have lost all cultural backbone and self confidence. We are finished as a civilisation, from Paris to Portland Place, from Seattle to Saint Denis. Endgame

    We will probably be allowed to boast about our property prices for a few more years


    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/central-london-bbc-headquarters-statue-eric-gill-b976377.html


    Wasn't it more of the issue with the guy's safety? He was up a ladder and so on. Possibly mentally unstable?
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 38,084

    Heathener said:

    I think it will be the May locals which will do for Boris Johnson.

    People aren't going to forget nor forgive this.

    More fool the tories if they leave him in place.

    Well then, let us hope they keep him in charge and REALLY trash their electoral prospects
    May elections will combine this shitshow of lies about parties and ludicrous denial about it was a work meeting with a massive cost of living energy bill and NI uplift.

    Slaughter in the shires.
    1985 redux
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 40,904

    Leon said:

    Well done that Bristol jury. The police were too scared to intervene as a man set about the Gill sculpture (one of the most poetic pieces of public statuary in central London) so he was allowed to continue for two hours, thereby significantly damaging it, and the cops did absolutely nothing. They merely bleated "please come down and we can talk about it"

    Literally.

    We are lost. We have lost all cultural backbone and self confidence. We are finished as a civilisation, from Paris to Portland Place, from Seattle to Saint Denis. Endgame

    We will probably be allowed to boast about our property prices for a few more years


    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/central-london-bbc-headquarters-statue-eric-gill-b976377.html


    Wasn't it more of the issue with the guy's safety? He was up a ladder and so on. Possibly mentally unstable?
    I am sure his instability could have been further tested.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 17,076

    Heathener said:

    I think it will be the May locals which will do for Boris Johnson.

    People aren't going to forget nor forgive this.

    More fool the tories if they leave him in place.

    Well then, let us hope they keep him in charge and REALLY trash their electoral prospects
    May elections will combine this shitshow of lies about parties and ludicrous denial about it was a work meeting with a massive cost of living energy bill and NI uplift.

    Slaughter in the shires.
    Sadly no vote in my County where the Tories are one short of a majority, and now reliant on the votes of eccentric, and not at all moderate, independents.
    Sighs.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 18,982
    Leon said:

    Well done that Bristol jury. The police were too scared to intervene as a man set about the Gill sculpture (one of the most poetic pieces of public statuary in central London) so he was allowed to continue for two hours, thereby significantly damaging it, and the cops did absolutely nothing. They merely bleated "please come down and we can talk about it"

    Literally.

    We are lost. We have lost all cultural backbone and self confidence. We are finished as a civilisation, from Paris to Portland Place, from Seattle to Saint Denis. Endgame

    We will probably be allowed to boast about our property prices for a few more years

    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/central-london-bbc-headquarters-statue-eric-gill-b976377.html

    I am not sure how they could safely get him down. Taser and a mattress, and hope he landed in the right place?
  • Oooh.

    Been told Douglas Ross said to his MSPs that in his conversation with the PM earlier Johnson couldn’t guarantee there wasn’t more to come out

    https://twitter.com/paulhutcheon/status/1481341614371086336
  • RogerRoger Posts: 15,223
    edited January 12
    MaxPB said:

    Just had dinner/pub with some City associates, a few donors among them. Until now they've been behind Boris, willing to laugh off any suggestions that he personally had broken lockdowns. The mood has definitely soured. Lots of personal anger that weddings and funerals were cancelled in lockdown while Boris partied at Number 10.

    It's generally a group that is reliably pro-Boris and they've all deserted him.

    The big change I saw tonight was that where until now the worry is that a new leader might put Brexit at risk of backsliding, now Boris staying and losing to Labour is seen as the big risk to ensuring Brexit isn't watered down. I think that view is probably shared by the ERG. Keeping Boris is seen as the riskier Brexit option for the Spartans than dumping him, at least that's the view I got today from City hedgies.

    Really! I thought most people in the City would be delighted if Brexit was put at risk. Are you sure 'the City' wasn't Hartlepool?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 39,061
    Leon said:

    Well done that Bristol jury. The police were too scared to intervene as a man set about the Gill sculpture (one of the most poetic pieces of public statuary in central London) so he was allowed to continue for two hours, thereby significantly damaging it, and the cops did absolutely nothing. They merely bleated "please come down and we can talk about it"

    Literally.

    We are lost. We have lost all cultural backbone and self confidence. We are finished as a civilisation, from Paris to Portland Place, from Seattle to Saint Denis. Endgame

    We will probably be allowed to boast about our property prices for a few more years


    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/central-london-bbc-headquarters-statue-eric-gill-b976377.html


    I'm guessing you welcomed the mob pulling down Saddam's statue in 2003?
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 30,762
    Fpt
    Leon said:

    ydoethur said:

    Scott_xP said:

    NEW. @BorisJohnson satisfaction scores in GB 🇬🇧 now half those of @EmmanuelMacron in France 🇫🇷
    https://twitter.com/benatipsos/status/1481362162211860480

    He's doing worse than a French President, that truly is a national embarrassment, Boris Johnson needs to go now.
    Worse than that, he's doing worse than the worst ever French President.

    Not forgetting the one that fell out of a train while drunk, the one who turned up at a formal dinner with all his medals on but nothing else at all and the one who died of a heart attack while being fellated.
    I would have thought "dying of a heart attack while being fellated AND BEING FRENCH PRESIDENT" would make him a French national hero

    He's certainly in my top ten politicians of all time, and I've only just heard of him
    I'm surprised that there was no love shown on here for Paris Police 1900 recently on BBC4 which starts with the act of death by BJ and goes on to all sorts of fin de siècle debauchery. I loved it.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 38,084

    Oooh.

    Been told Douglas Ross said to his MSPs that in his conversation with the PM earlier Johnson couldn’t guarantee there wasn’t more to come out

    https://twitter.com/paulhutcheon/status/1481341614371086336

    Which is also a clear admission that he hasn’t yet come clean himself.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 14,735

    Leon said:

    Well done that Bristol jury. The police were too scared to intervene as a man set about the Gill sculpture (one of the most poetic pieces of public statuary in central London) so he was allowed to continue for two hours, thereby significantly damaging it, and the cops did absolutely nothing. They merely bleated "please come down and we can talk about it"

    Literally.

    We are lost. We have lost all cultural backbone and self confidence. We are finished as a civilisation, from Paris to Portland Place, from Seattle to Saint Denis. Endgame

    We will probably be allowed to boast about our property prices for a few more years

    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/central-london-bbc-headquarters-statue-eric-gill-b976377.html

    I am not sure how they could safely get him down. Taser and a mattress, and hope he landed in the right place?
    Fuck it, if he broke a limb who cares. If he broke his neck who cares. He was publicly smashing up publicly owned art. Can you imagine the police of any previous generation standing underneath him, FOR TWO HOURS, as he smashed up a statue, and all they can do is impotently bleat "please come down and we can talk about it"??

    We are a defeated culture
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 38,084
    Roger said:

    MaxPB said:

    Just had dinner/pub with some City associates, a few donors among them. Until now they've been behind Boris, willing to laugh off any suggestions that he personally had broken lockdowns. The mood has definitely soured. Lots of personal anger that weddings and funerals were cancelled in lockdown while Boris partied at Number 10.

    It's generally a group that is reliably pro-Boris and they've all deserted him.

    The big change I saw tonight was that where until now the worry is that a new leader might put Brexit at risk of backsliding, now Boris staying and losing to Labour is seen as the big risk to ensuring Brexit isn't watered down. I think that view is probably shared by the ERG. Keeping Boris is seen as the riskier Brexit option for the Spartans than dumping him, at least that's the view I got today from City hedgies.

    Really! I thought most people in the City would be delighted if Brexit was put at risk. Are you sure the City wasn't Hartlepool?
    He said hedge managers, the scum of the city. The city gents were mostly pro-remain.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 18,982
    edited January 12

    Scott_xP said:

    We spent all afternoon talking to Tory MPs and while a minority are calling for Boris Johnson to go now, most are waiting on the official report into #partygate by civil servant Sue Gray
    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-01-12/boris-johnson-buys-time-with-apology-but-u-k-tory-rage-simmers


    Spineless

    I do not envy Sue Gray. She is forever either going to be the woman who brought down a PM or a Hutton-esque figure. I bet that wasn’t in her job description.
    I am sure there would be a very long queue to be 'the woman who brought down' this PM.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 17,076
    Really interesting that Brexiters seem very nervous about its prospects now. As if removing the chief salesman might dispel the illusion that it made any sense.
    Like the Doors after Jim Morrison.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 17,076
    edited January 12

    "does Johnson have the integrity to lead? More and more Tory MPs are coming to the conclusion the answer is no'

    Laura K.

    If only that were his sole shortcoming.
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 2,640
    edited January 12
    MaxPB said:

    Just had dinner/pub with some City associates, a few donors among them. Until now they've been behind Boris, willing to laugh off any suggestions that he personally had broken lockdowns. The mood has definitely soured. Lots of personal anger that weddings and funerals were cancelled in lockdown while Boris partied at Number 10.

    It's generally a group that is reliably pro-Boris and they've all deserted him.

    The big change I saw tonight was that where until now the worry is that a new leader might put Brexit at risk of backsliding, now Boris staying and losing to Labour is seen as the big risk to ensuring Brexit isn't watered down. I think that view is probably shared by the ERG. Keeping Boris is seen as the riskier Brexit option for the Spartans than dumping him, at least that's the view I got today from City hedgies.

    The problem for Boris is that it’s very hard to blow off this scandal. It impacts people personally. It’s not just some theoretical wrongdoing that people can rationalise as a “but he’s on my side so I can live with it.”

    The longer he is allowed to continue in office the longer the rot will spread and contaminate even more of the Tory Party and its policy ambitions with every passing week. They should just take a swig of bourbon and cut off the infection. It’s hard to see how the patient survives otherwise.
  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 6,474

    Heathener said:

    I think it will be the May locals which will do for Boris Johnson.

    People aren't going to forget nor forgive this.

    More fool the tories if they leave him in place.

    Well then, let us hope they keep him in charge and REALLY trash their electoral prospects
    May elections will combine this shitshow of lies about parties and ludicrous denial about it was a work meeting with a massive cost of living energy bill and NI uplift.

    Slaughter in the shires.
    The shires aren’t voting much. The big elections are in London, Birmingham, Scotland, Wales.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 21,831

    Leon said:

    Well done that Bristol jury. The police were too scared to intervene as a man set about the Gill sculpture (one of the most poetic pieces of public statuary in central London) so he was allowed to continue for two hours, thereby significantly damaging it, and the cops did absolutely nothing. They merely bleated "please come down and we can talk about it"

    Literally.

    We are lost. We have lost all cultural backbone and self confidence. We are finished as a civilisation, from Paris to Portland Place, from Seattle to Saint Denis. Endgame

    We will probably be allowed to boast about our property prices for a few more years


    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/central-london-bbc-headquarters-statue-eric-gill-b976377.html


    Wasn't it more of the issue with the guy's safety? He was up a ladder and so on. Possibly mentally unstable?
    Leon has found a reason to attack the forces of wokery. Leave him be, he is happy.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 14,735
    New record in India. 240,000 Omicron cases, having recorded about 33,000 ten days ago. An incredible explosion

  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 18,982

    Fpt

    Leon said:

    ydoethur said:

    Scott_xP said:

    NEW. @BorisJohnson satisfaction scores in GB 🇬🇧 now half those of @EmmanuelMacron in France 🇫🇷
    https://twitter.com/benatipsos/status/1481362162211860480

    He's doing worse than a French President, that truly is a national embarrassment, Boris Johnson needs to go now.
    Worse than that, he's doing worse than the worst ever French President.

    Not forgetting the one that fell out of a train while drunk, the one who turned up at a formal dinner with all his medals on but nothing else at all and the one who died of a heart attack while being fellated.
    I would have thought "dying of a heart attack while being fellated AND BEING FRENCH PRESIDENT" would make him a French national hero

    He's certainly in my top ten politicians of all time, and I've only just heard of him
    I'm surprised that there was no love shown on here for Paris Police 1900 recently on BBC4 which starts with the act of death by BJ and goes on to all sorts of fin de siècle debauchery. I loved it.
    It was excellent - I mentioned it at the fag-end of the previous thread. Looking forward to series 2.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 17,076
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Well done that Bristol jury. The police were too scared to intervene as a man set about the Gill sculpture (one of the most poetic pieces of public statuary in central London) so he was allowed to continue for two hours, thereby significantly damaging it, and the cops did absolutely nothing. They merely bleated "please come down and we can talk about it"

    Literally.

    We are lost. We have lost all cultural backbone and self confidence. We are finished as a civilisation, from Paris to Portland Place, from Seattle to Saint Denis. Endgame

    We will probably be allowed to boast about our property prices for a few more years

    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/central-london-bbc-headquarters-statue-eric-gill-b976377.html

    I am not sure how they could safely get him down. Taser and a mattress, and hope he landed in the right place?
    Fuck it, if he broke a limb who cares. If he broke his neck who cares. He was publicly smashing up publicly owned art. Can you imagine the police of any previous generation standing underneath him, FOR TWO HOURS, as he smashed up a statue, and all they can do is impotently bleat "please come down and we can talk about it"??

    We are a defeated culture
    Chaos under Ed Miliband.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 1,506

    MaxPB said:

    Just had dinner/pub with some City associates, a few donors among them. Until now they've been behind Boris, willing to laugh off any suggestions that he personally had broken lockdowns. The mood has definitely soured. Lots of personal anger that weddings and funerals were cancelled in lockdown while Boris partied at Number 10.

    It's generally a group that is reliably pro-Boris and they've all deserted him.

    The big change I saw tonight was that where until now the worry is that a new leader might put Brexit at risk of backsliding, now Boris staying and losing to Labour is seen as the big risk to ensuring Brexit isn't watered down. I think that view is probably shared by the ERG. Keeping Boris is seen as the riskier Brexit option for the Spartans than dumping him, at least that's the view I got today from City hedgies.

    No doubt they are massive supporters of his levelling up agenda.
    I think you are right in your point. Brexit voters maybe should be considered as a coalition, not a settled block, not all on the same side at all how they wish to pull it now. The correct way to view Brexit is like the hedgers in the anecdote, Brexit is not binary, it’s not a done deal or static in the direction it can now take.

    In my view under Rishi’s new leadership, there will be a more pragmatic approach to business need which Boris is clearly blocking. And that’s the main driver of his downfall.
  • rpjsrpjs Posts: 3,643
    Leon said:

    Well done that Bristol jury. The police were too scared to intervene as a man set about the Gill sculpture (one of the most poetic pieces of public statuary in central London) so he was allowed to continue for two hours, thereby significantly damaging it, and the cops did absolutely nothing. They merely bleated "please come down and we can talk about it"

    More likely because they hadn't done a risk assessment on climbing up to get him.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 22,266
    Is Allegra Stratton some sort of gay icon ?

    If not why was Chris Bryant wibbling on about her ?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 46,148

    Oooh.

    Been told Douglas Ross said to his MSPs that in his conversation with the PM earlier Johnson couldn’t guarantee there wasn’t more to come out

    https://twitter.com/paulhutcheon/status/1481341614371086336

    Well, that can't be accurate, because it implies that Johnson told him a truth during that conversation.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 6,926
    Alistair said:

    Leon said:

    Well done that Bristol jury. The police were too scared to intervene as a man set about the Gill sculpture (one of the most poetic pieces of public statuary in central London) so he was allowed to continue for two hours, thereby significantly damaging it, and the cops did absolutely nothing. They merely bleated "please come down and we can talk about it"

    Literally.

    We are lost. We have lost all cultural backbone and self confidence. We are finished as a civilisation, from Paris to Portland Place, from Seattle to Saint Denis. Endgame

    We will probably be allowed to boast about our property prices for a few more years


    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/central-london-bbc-headquarters-statue-eric-gill-b976377.html


    Wasn't it more of the issue with the guy's safety? He was up a ladder and so on. Possibly mentally unstable?
    Leon has found a reason to attack the forces of wokery. Leave him be, he is happy.
    Even when it's an anti woke nutter attacking a statue, it's the fault of the woke. It must be wonderful to be someone for whom every question has the same answer.
  • rpjsrpjs Posts: 3,643
    rpjs said:

    Leon said:

    Well done that Bristol jury. The police were too scared to intervene as a man set about the Gill sculpture (one of the most poetic pieces of public statuary in central London) so he was allowed to continue for two hours, thereby significantly damaging it, and the cops did absolutely nothing. They merely bleated "please come down and we can talk about it"

    More likely because they hadn't done a risk assessment on climbing up to get him.
    Also the “noose all paedos” he scrawled on it sounds more QAnon than woke to me.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 46,148

    Neil Henderson
    @hendopolis
    ·
    2m
    TELEGRAPH: ⁦
    @RishiSunak
    ⁩ leaves ⁦
    @BorisJohnson
    ⁩ in limbo #TomorrowsPapersToday
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 1,506

    Fpt

    Leon said:

    ydoethur said:

    Scott_xP said:

    NEW. @BorisJohnson satisfaction scores in GB 🇬🇧 now half those of @EmmanuelMacron in France 🇫🇷
    https://twitter.com/benatipsos/status/1481362162211860480

    He's doing worse than a French President, that truly is a national embarrassment, Boris Johnson needs to go now.
    Worse than that, he's doing worse than the worst ever French President.

    Not forgetting the one that fell out of a train while drunk, the one who turned up at a formal dinner with all his medals on but nothing else at all and the one who died of a heart attack while being fellated.
    I would have thought "dying of a heart attack while being fellated AND BEING FRENCH PRESIDENT" would make him a French national hero

    He's certainly in my top ten politicians of all time, and I've only just heard of him
    I'm surprised that there was no love shown on here for Paris Police 1900 recently on BBC4 which starts with the act of death by BJ and goes on to all sorts of fin de siècle debauchery. I loved it.
    It was excellent - I mentioned it at the fag-end of the previous thread. Looking forward to series 2.
    What is Death by Boris Johnson?
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 6,926

    MaxPB said:

    Just had dinner/pub with some City associates, a few donors among them. Until now they've been behind Boris, willing to laugh off any suggestions that he personally had broken lockdowns. The mood has definitely soured. Lots of personal anger that weddings and funerals were cancelled in lockdown while Boris partied at Number 10.

    It's generally a group that is reliably pro-Boris and they've all deserted him.

    The big change I saw tonight was that where until now the worry is that a new leader might put Brexit at risk of backsliding, now Boris staying and losing to Labour is seen as the big risk to ensuring Brexit isn't watered down. I think that view is probably shared by the ERG. Keeping Boris is seen as the riskier Brexit option for the Spartans than dumping him, at least that's the view I got today from City hedgies.

    No doubt they are massive supporters of his levelling up agenda.
    I think you are right in your point. Brexit voters maybe should be considered as a coalition, not a settled block, not all on the same side at all how they wish to pull it now. The correct way to view Brexit is like the hedgers in the anecdote, Brexit is not binary, it’s not a done deal or static in the direction it can now take.

    In my view under Rishi’s new leadership, there will be a more pragmatic approach to business need which Boris is clearly blocking. And that’s the main driver of his downfall.
    Finance people are all over Dishy Rishi like the proverbial rash, believe me.
  • Scott_xP said:

    We spent all afternoon talking to Tory MPs and while a minority are calling for Boris Johnson to go now, most are waiting on the official report into #partygate by civil servant Sue Gray
    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-01-12/boris-johnson-buys-time-with-apology-but-u-k-tory-rage-simmers


    Spineless

    I do not envy Sue Gray. She is forever either going to be the woman who brought down a PM or a Hutton-esque figure. I bet that wasn’t in her job description.
    Gray's anatomy of events is going to be quite the season finale.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 14,735

    Alistair said:

    Leon said:

    Well done that Bristol jury. The police were too scared to intervene as a man set about the Gill sculpture (one of the most poetic pieces of public statuary in central London) so he was allowed to continue for two hours, thereby significantly damaging it, and the cops did absolutely nothing. They merely bleated "please come down and we can talk about it"

    Literally.

    We are lost. We have lost all cultural backbone and self confidence. We are finished as a civilisation, from Paris to Portland Place, from Seattle to Saint Denis. Endgame

    We will probably be allowed to boast about our property prices for a few more years


    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/central-london-bbc-headquarters-statue-eric-gill-b976377.html


    Wasn't it more of the issue with the guy's safety? He was up a ladder and so on. Possibly mentally unstable?
    Leon has found a reason to attack the forces of wokery. Leave him be, he is happy.
    Even when it's an anti woke nutter attacking a statue, it's the fault of the woke. It must be wonderful to be someone for whom every question has the same answer.
    Or, more simply, I disapprove of public art being randomly vandalised and the fucking idiot thugs that do it getting away with it. This applies to the anti-paedo nutter attacking the Gill statue AND the posho twats rolling Colston into the river

    I submit that my position is the opinion held by most people in this country. Don't go around smashing up or destroying art. If you dislike the art, for whatever reason, we are a democracy and you have multiple avenues to express your discontent and see your iconoclastic desires realised, or not

    That's the whole damn point of a democracy. All else is mob rule, or a police state. Take your pick

  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 18,982
    "Rory Kinnear: On the day of No 10’s lockdown party, I buried my sister"

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/jan/12/rory-kinnear-no-10-lockdown-party-buried-sister
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 6,890
    Henry Zeffman
    @hzeffman
    EXCLUSIVE Times/YouGov poll gives Labour their biggest lead since Dec 2013

    Lab 38 (+1)
    Con 28 (-5)
    LDem 13 (+3)
    Green 7 (+1)
    RefUK 4 (-1)
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 30,762

    Fpt

    Leon said:

    ydoethur said:

    Scott_xP said:

    NEW. @BorisJohnson satisfaction scores in GB 🇬🇧 now half those of @EmmanuelMacron in France 🇫🇷
    https://twitter.com/benatipsos/status/1481362162211860480

    He's doing worse than a French President, that truly is a national embarrassment, Boris Johnson needs to go now.
    Worse than that, he's doing worse than the worst ever French President.

    Not forgetting the one that fell out of a train while drunk, the one who turned up at a formal dinner with all his medals on but nothing else at all and the one who died of a heart attack while being fellated.
    I would have thought "dying of a heart attack while being fellated AND BEING FRENCH PRESIDENT" would make him a French national hero

    He's certainly in my top ten politicians of all time, and I've only just heard of him
    I'm surprised that there was no love shown on here for Paris Police 1900 recently on BBC4 which starts with the act of death by BJ and goes on to all sorts of fin de siècle debauchery. I loved it.
    It was excellent - I mentioned it at the fag-end of the previous thread. Looking forward to series 2.
    What is Death by Boris Johnson?
    Involves letting the bodies pile high I believe.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 14,735
    DougSeal said:

    Henry Zeffman
    @hzeffman
    EXCLUSIVE Times/YouGov poll gives Labour their biggest lead since Dec 2013

    Lab 38 (+1)
    Con 28 (-5)
    LDem 13 (+3)
    Green 7 (+1)
    RefUK 4 (-1)

    I hear the bell tolling for Boris
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 22,266
    So what's the consensus:

    1) The party was Boris's idea
    2) The party was Martin Reynolds's idea but with Boris's approval
    3) The party was Martin Reynolds's idea with Boris not really knowing but not being bothered about it

    I think we can discount:

    4) The party was Martin Reynolds's idea with Boris not really knowing but being unhappy about it
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 68,136
    DougSeal said:

    Henry Zeffman
    @hzeffman
    EXCLUSIVE Times/YouGov poll gives Labour their biggest lead since Dec 2013

    Lab 38 (+1)
    Con 28 (-5)
    LDem 13 (+3)
    Green 7 (+1)
    RefUK 4 (-1)

    Sub 30 for Tory or Labour is when you are done for. 30 is bedrock support level.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 92,646
    edited January 12
    DougSeal said:

    Henry Zeffman
    @hzeffman
    EXCLUSIVE Times/YouGov poll gives Labour their biggest lead since Dec 2013

    Lab 38 (+1)
    Con 28 (-5)
    LDem 13 (+3)
    Green 7 (+1)
    RefUK 4 (-1)

    Labour still only on 38%, could have been far worse than that. I was expecting Labour to at least hit 40% after this onslaught and be over 10% ahead and be back to near Blair pre 1997 levels based on all the hype. Instead Starmer merely matching Ed Miliband's lead over Cameron in December 2013.

    So movement to the LDs and RefUK still on 4% and clearly some Tories gone DK but those can be reclaimed. However I would expect a VONC still in due course, though on those numbers Boris could still survive it
  • eekeek Posts: 17,262
    edited January 12
    Leon said:

    DougSeal said:

    Henry Zeffman
    @hzeffman
    EXCLUSIVE Times/YouGov poll gives Labour their biggest lead since Dec 2013

    Lab 38 (+1)
    Con 28 (-5)
    LDem 13 (+3)
    Green 7 (+1)
    RefUK 4 (-1)

    I hear the bell tolling for Boris
    Lab 327 seats
    Con 220
    Lib 19
    SNP 59
    Green 1

    Yes that is a Labour Majority.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 1,506

    MaxPB said:

    Just had dinner/pub with some City associates, a few donors among them. Until now they've been behind Boris, willing to laugh off any suggestions that he personally had broken lockdowns. The mood has definitely soured. Lots of personal anger that weddings and funerals were cancelled in lockdown while Boris partied at Number 10.

    It's generally a group that is reliably pro-Boris and they've all deserted him.

    The big change I saw tonight was that where until now the worry is that a new leader might put Brexit at risk of backsliding, now Boris staying and losing to Labour is seen as the big risk to ensuring Brexit isn't watered down. I think that view is probably shared by the ERG. Keeping Boris is seen as the riskier Brexit option for the Spartans than dumping him, at least that's the view I got today from City hedgies.

    No doubt they are massive supporters of his levelling up agenda.
    I think you are right in your point. Brexit voters maybe should be considered as a coalition, not a settled block, not all on the same side at all how they wish to pull it now. The correct way to view Brexit is like the hedgers in the anecdote, Brexit is not binary, it’s not a done deal or static in the direction it can now take.

    In my view under Rishi’s new leadership, there will be a more pragmatic approach to business need which Boris is clearly blocking. And that’s the main driver of his downfall.
    Finance people are all over Dishy Rishi like the proverbial rash, believe me.
    It’s all becoming a bit understandable and predictable isn’t it.
  • Kaboom.

    YouGov gives Labour a 10% lead!
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 46,148
    Leon said:

    DougSeal said:

    Henry Zeffman
    @hzeffman
    EXCLUSIVE Times/YouGov poll gives Labour their biggest lead since Dec 2013

    Lab 38 (+1)
    Con 28 (-5)
    LDem 13 (+3)
    Green 7 (+1)
    RefUK 4 (-1)

    I hear the bell tolling for Boris
    Ka fucking boom.

    And that's before todays joke excuse about thinking a massive knees up with lashings of booze was a work event drift out to the public.

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