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Speaks to a wider attitude. That "people like us" were keeping the country going, while everyone else was living it large at home.Scott_xP said:Asked about the No10 partygate row @BrandonLewis says he understands the “anger, frustration even upset that people will feel” but insists Sue Gray must be given the time to carry out her investigation.
“Does the PM still have your confidence?”
“Absolutely” he replies https://twitter.com/Tracey_utv/status/1480893541379457037/photo/1
Tory MP Michael Fabricant says the understanding was that the alleged No 10 garden party was "not spreading the disease because these were people already working closely together".
https://trib.al/WNMUMLX
📺 Sky 501, Virgin 602, Freeview 233 and YouTube https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1480930265530777603/video/1
They weren't in the vast majority of cases.
Either at home or enjoying it.0 -
But those weren't the rules..... not good enough.Scott_xP said:
Tory MP Michael Fabricant says the understanding was that the alleged No 10 garden party was "not spreading the disease because these were people already working closely together".
https://trib.al/WNMUMLX
📺 Sky 501, Virgin 602, Freeview 233 and YouTube https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1480930265530777603/video/1
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What time is required to ask and answer the following questionsdixiedean said:
Speaks to a wider attitude. That "people like us" were keeping the country going, while everyone else was living it large at home.Scott_xP said:Asked about the No10 partygate row @BrandonLewis says he understands the “anger, frustration even upset that people will feel” but insists Sue Gray must be given the time to carry out her investigation.
“Does the PM still have your confidence?”
“Absolutely” he replies https://twitter.com/Tracey_utv/status/1480893541379457037/photo/1
Tory MP Michael Fabricant says the understanding was that the alleged No 10 garden party was "not spreading the disease because these were people already working closely together".
https://trib.al/WNMUMLX
📺 Sky 501, Virgin 602, Freeview 233 and YouTube https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1480930265530777603/video/1
They weren't in the vast majority of cases.
Either at home or enjoying it.
When did No 10 hold parties in April to July 2020
Did you (Boris) attend any of them?0 -
Do we expect our PM to ACTUALLY turn up to PMQ's tomorrow? I reasonably confidently expect him to be sick, or Carrie to be taken very ill, or one of the children to be ill, and need him at their bedside.Nemtynakht said:
Their key weaknesses being that the first I heard about VAT on energy being a key brexit argument is now almost 6 years later. It might not have super cut through.GIN1138 said:
Might be a lousy idea to address the problem but it's good politics.Richard_Nabavi said:Oh dear, just when you think Labour might be edging towards becoming a credible government-in-waiting again, they blow all that credibility on this utterly daft idea of cutting VAT on fuel - just about the most inefficient measure anyone could come up with to address the problem.
1. It hoists Boris and the Tory Brexiteers by their own putard after it was one of the key pledges they made as to why Brexit was a good idea.
2. It signals to the Red Wall that Labour in general and Starmer in particular have fundamentally accepted Brexit.
3. VAT on fuel has always been a controversial and hated tax from the day it was announced in Lamont's 1993 budget and very much coincided with John Major's government imploding... Not the only reason of course but the optics of that particular tax always looked dreadful after the recession and Major's ERM fiasco.
Secondly the energy Minster who brought in huge green taxes on fuel is now shadow minister. I imagine the Tory researchers are digging out all the quotes to throw back at him
Personally I feel the Starmer needs to call Boris a liar at PMQs. I would like it in the form of the dead parrot sketch. A list of euphemisms that he could use to show that he could stay within the bounds of parliamentary language. Then he should say the British people want a straight answer - why is Boris lying?
Once ejected he should have a clear afternoon to trawl around the studios saying that the Pm and his cronies break serious rules that most people followed - why should be follow insignificant rules and not call it like it is.
He'd be 10 points up the weekend.0 -
Its official - I will stop referring to Douglas Ross as DRoss. He has found a spine and a fine and sturdy backbone it is.0
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The latest claims of rule-breaking threaten to derail Johnson’s attempt to use the new year to move on from rows over alleged Christmas parties
But how much will this indiscretion cost the prime minister going forward?
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/how-much-could-a-a-series-of-parties-cost-boris-johnson-mfg55qpr7?utm_source=Twitter&utm_campaign=BOjO&utm_medium=branded_social0 -
Gotta find him first.eek said:
What time is required to ask and answer the following questionsdixiedean said:
Speaks to a wider attitude. That "people like us" were keeping the country going, while everyone else was living it large at home.Scott_xP said:Asked about the No10 partygate row @BrandonLewis says he understands the “anger, frustration even upset that people will feel” but insists Sue Gray must be given the time to carry out her investigation.
“Does the PM still have your confidence?”
“Absolutely” he replies https://twitter.com/Tracey_utv/status/1480893541379457037/photo/1
Tory MP Michael Fabricant says the understanding was that the alleged No 10 garden party was "not spreading the disease because these were people already working closely together".
https://trib.al/WNMUMLX
📺 Sky 501, Virgin 602, Freeview 233 and YouTube https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1480930265530777603/video/1
They weren't in the vast majority of cases.
Either at home or enjoying it.
When did No 10 hold parties in April to July 2020
Did you (Boris) attend any of them?0 -
Presumably it just renamed it a town council? Herrington has neither and is part of the metropolitan city of Sunderlandkjh said:
My Dad's village successful voted to abolish its Parish Council. What is it now? Do we have to think of a new name for it?HYUFD said:
Herrington is part of the Metropolitan city of Sunderland, not really a village.Andy_Cooke said:
Note that only one of the names he cites has to be a village for your statement "There are no villages in any Sunderland seat" to be wrong.HYUFD said:
Houghton is a town not a villageRochdalePioneers said:
Laughable. There are no villages in "Houghton and Sunderland South"? I used to live there. Houghton-le-Spring is a village. Hetton-le-Hole. Shiney Row. Newbottle. New Herrington. And how do you know the farmers don't vote Tory?HYUFD said:
There are no villages in any Sunderland seateek said:
There are a lot, just not enough to give the Tories a seat in 2019 (or ever given that 2019 will be the high watermark for the Tory party now Boris has destroyed it).HYUFD said:
They are significantly different to many of them, plenty of rural Tory voters in Sedgefield or North Durham for instance, no rural Tory voters in SunderlandGallowgate said:
Yeah, but the Tories in Sunderland are not much different to the Tories in Blyth and North Durham and Sedgefield and Redcar, etc.HYUFD said:
Every MP in Sunderland is already LabourRochdalePioneers said:
HYUFD will be along to explain how the Chair of Sunderland Conservatives is actually not a True Tory and actually the red wall will only vote for Boris and actually where is Sunderland anyway actually.dixiedean said:Chair of Sunderland Conservatives says Boris has to go. For this "atrocity".
You don't have talk some fact-free bollocks. Have you ever stopped and thought "I don't actually know anything at all about this, best to keep my comments specific"?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Houghton-le-Spring
Shiney Row, Newbottle, and New Herrington seem to be villages indeed.
Therefore the statement "There are no villages in any Sunderland seat" is wrong.
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Good time to get COVID....could take a leaf out of novax's book.OldKingCole said:
Do we expect our PM to ACTUALLY turn up to PMQ's tomorrow? I reasonably confidently expect him to be sick, or Carrie to be taken very ill, or one of the children to be ill, and need him at their bedside.Nemtynakht said:
Their key weaknesses being that the first I heard about VAT on energy being a key brexit argument is now almost 6 years later. It might not have super cut through.GIN1138 said:
Might be a lousy idea to address the problem but it's good politics.Richard_Nabavi said:Oh dear, just when you think Labour might be edging towards becoming a credible government-in-waiting again, they blow all that credibility on this utterly daft idea of cutting VAT on fuel - just about the most inefficient measure anyone could come up with to address the problem.
1. It hoists Boris and the Tory Brexiteers by their own putard after it was one of the key pledges they made as to why Brexit was a good idea.
2. It signals to the Red Wall that Labour in general and Starmer in particular have fundamentally accepted Brexit.
3. VAT on fuel has always been a controversial and hated tax from the day it was announced in Lamont's 1993 budget and very much coincided with John Major's government imploding... Not the only reason of course but the optics of that particular tax always looked dreadful after the recession and Major's ERM fiasco.
Secondly the energy Minster who brought in huge green taxes on fuel is now shadow minister. I imagine the Tory researchers are digging out all the quotes to throw back at him
Personally I feel the Starmer needs to call Boris a liar at PMQs. I would like it in the form of the dead parrot sketch. A list of euphemisms that he could use to show that he could stay within the bounds of parliamentary language. Then he should say the British people want a straight answer - why is Boris lying?
Once ejected he should have a clear afternoon to trawl around the studios saying that the Pm and his cronies break serious rules that most people followed - why should be follow insignificant rules and not call it like it is.
He'd be 10 points up the weekend.1 -
Sorry - couldn't resist.TimT said:Sorry, don't get the IKAAAARA reference. Pray enlighten.
Malmesbury said:
IKAAAARA!TimT said:
Sounding a bit like Lenin there, HYUFD, with his constant purity purges of the party.HYUFD said:
It is a good way for identifying the genuine true Tories though.david_herdson said:
Yes. But then keeping half the Tory vote on board is not an election-winning strategy,HYUFD said:
So most even of 2019 Tory voters want him to stayScott_xP said:🚨NEW SNAP POLL🚨
Should Boris Johnson resign over BYOB partygate?
🇬🇧All adults
Should 66%
Should not 24%
🌳2019 Con
Should 42%
Should not 45%
🌹2019 Lab
Should 85%
Should not 10%
1,040 UK adults, 11th Jan 2022 https://twitter.com/SavantaComRes/status/1480922753867911179/photo/1
In election terms however if Boris comes out of this with the Tories 10%+ behind then he would be in trouble but only if that occurs
Babylon 5 reference.
The ancient Ikarans built some awesome biological based augmentation weapons - they'd latch onto a regular lifeforms and turn it into the Ultimate Weapon. This was all to defeat an alien invasion.
Unfortunately the definition of "alien" was left to some fanatics who used their idea of "pure Ikaran". The machines efficiently destroyed everything which wasn't pure Ikaran. Which turned out to be everything.
A million years later on a dead world, an archaeologist stumbles on....
"IKAAAARA!" was the cry of the on of the resurrected machines (contains the mind state of one of the fanatics) when he/it realised what they had done.2 -
It wasn't the rules but it would have been an arguable case. The actual risk of Covid being spread between such a group which had not already been spread would have been minimal to nil. Too late now though if Boris has gone along with or attended this. He has committed himself that he didn't.Slackbladder said:
But those weren't the rules..... not good enough.Scott_xP said:
Tory MP Michael Fabricant says the understanding was that the alleged No 10 garden party was "not spreading the disease because these were people already working closely together".
https://trib.al/WNMUMLX
📺 Sky 501, Virgin 602, Freeview 233 and YouTube https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1480930265530777603/video/10 -
Allegra Stratton resigned for joking about a party. Martin Reynolds hasn’t resigned for organising a party. Nobody has resigned for actually attending any of the parties.
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It seems like they may be trialling the “they were already working together” line. The thing to ask back is whether all 40 attendees were actually already working together. The interviewee can either admit they don’t actually know, or if they say they can confirm that, then that must mean they have an attendance list that they can turn over to the media or at least Gray.Scott_xP said:Asked about the No10 partygate row @BrandonLewis says he understands the “anger, frustration even upset that people will feel” but insists Sue Gray must be given the time to carry out her investigation.
“Does the PM still have your confidence?”
“Absolutely” he replies https://twitter.com/Tracey_utv/status/1480893541379457037/photo/1
Tory MP Michael Fabricant says the understanding was that the alleged No 10 garden party was "not spreading the disease because these were people already working closely together".
https://trib.al/WNMUMLX
📺 Sky 501, Virgin 602, Freeview 233 and YouTube https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1480930265530777603/video/10 -
Hospital beds occupied falling again - as expected just a 2 day hiatus as they don't discharge many people at the weekend.2
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It's my party and and I'll lie if I want toScott_xP said:Allegra Stratton resigned for joking about a party. Martin Reynolds hasn’t resigned for organising a party. Nobody has resigned for actually attending any of the parties.
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Of all the places Bozza could hole up, an asylum seekers hotel has to be a long shot.FrancisUrquhart said:
Good time to get COVID....could take a leaf out of novax's book.OldKingCole said:
Do we expect our PM to ACTUALLY turn up to PMQ's tomorrow? I reasonably confidently expect him to be sick, or Carrie to be taken very ill, or one of the children to be ill, and need him at their bedside.Nemtynakht said:
Their key weaknesses being that the first I heard about VAT on energy being a key brexit argument is now almost 6 years later. It might not have super cut through.GIN1138 said:
Might be a lousy idea to address the problem but it's good politics.Richard_Nabavi said:Oh dear, just when you think Labour might be edging towards becoming a credible government-in-waiting again, they blow all that credibility on this utterly daft idea of cutting VAT on fuel - just about the most inefficient measure anyone could come up with to address the problem.
1. It hoists Boris and the Tory Brexiteers by their own putard after it was one of the key pledges they made as to why Brexit was a good idea.
2. It signals to the Red Wall that Labour in general and Starmer in particular have fundamentally accepted Brexit.
3. VAT on fuel has always been a controversial and hated tax from the day it was announced in Lamont's 1993 budget and very much coincided with John Major's government imploding... Not the only reason of course but the optics of that particular tax always looked dreadful after the recession and Major's ERM fiasco.
Secondly the energy Minster who brought in huge green taxes on fuel is now shadow minister. I imagine the Tory researchers are digging out all the quotes to throw back at him
Personally I feel the Starmer needs to call Boris a liar at PMQs. I would like it in the form of the dead parrot sketch. A list of euphemisms that he could use to show that he could stay within the bounds of parliamentary language. Then he should say the British people want a straight answer - why is Boris lying?
Once ejected he should have a clear afternoon to trawl around the studios saying that the Pm and his cronies break serious rules that most people followed - why should be follow insignificant rules and not call it like it is.
He'd be 10 points up the weekend.2 -
Thanks!Malmesbury said:
Sorry - couldn't resist.TimT said:Sorry, don't get the IKAAAARA reference. Pray enlighten.
Malmesbury said:
IKAAAARA!TimT said:
Sounding a bit like Lenin there, HYUFD, with his constant purity purges of the party.HYUFD said:
It is a good way for identifying the genuine true Tories though.david_herdson said:
Yes. But then keeping half the Tory vote on board is not an election-winning strategy,HYUFD said:
So most even of 2019 Tory voters want him to stayScott_xP said:🚨NEW SNAP POLL🚨
Should Boris Johnson resign over BYOB partygate?
🇬🇧All adults
Should 66%
Should not 24%
🌳2019 Con
Should 42%
Should not 45%
🌹2019 Lab
Should 85%
Should not 10%
1,040 UK adults, 11th Jan 2022 https://twitter.com/SavantaComRes/status/1480922753867911179/photo/1
In election terms however if Boris comes out of this with the Tories 10%+ behind then he would be in trouble but only if that occurs
Babylon 5 reference.
The ancient Ikarans built some awesome biological based augmentation weapons - they'd latch onto a regular lifeforms and turn it into the Ultimate Weapon. This was all to defeat an alien invasion.
Unfortunately the definition of "alien" was left to some fanatics who used their idea of "pure Ikaran". The machines efficiently destroyed everything which wasn't pure Ikaran. Which turned out to be everything.
A million years later on a dead world, an archaeologist stumbles on....
"IKAAAARA!" was the cry of the on of the resurrected machines (contains the mind state of one of the fanatics) when he/it realised what they had done.0 -
Mechanical ventilation hits a new winter low, 686.
Was 792 on the day Omicron cases started to take off in London.0 -
Hmm, an interesting one. Not the best post even by your standards. So which would you prefer? My light sarcasm in response or Malcolm's demented incoherent abuse?Farooq said:
My point is that you and Nigel_Foremain are the samemalcolmg said:
Your point is caller , other than some random crap jpg that is not real.Farooq said:
two_spidermen_pointing_at_each_other.jpgmalcolmg said:
Yes Taz, he is a real pain in the butt, not interested in discussion , just constantly insulting me , very tedious. I keep thinking I should ignore it which is the sensible thing to do but at times I just have to say something. Obviously not a very nice person , fine having banter back and forward but he is just a pest.Taz said:
Interesting how he, on the one hand is happy to continually have a go at you and how,you respond to some posters yet, on the other hand, is quite happy to troll and bait you for replies.malcolmg said:
F*** off and keep doing it scumbagNigel_Foremain said:
Lol. The number one unquestioning fanboy of the creepy fat little man who was described by his QC as a "bully and sex pest" refers to another politician as "sleezy pervert". 😂😂😂😂😂😂malcolmg said:
who among all of the many the likely candidates was most like the sleazy pervert Roman in SuccesssionFarooq said:
Can you narrow it down slightly?malcolmg said:
I meant in the cabinetTheScreamingEagles said:
Roman.malcolmg said:
who is the creepy pervert onemaaarsh said:
Javid is Kendal from Succession. Superficially plausible successor who fundamentally lacks balls.StuartDickson said:Sunak, Javid and Baker shortening in Next PM market. Gove lengthening.
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This debate about Vat on fuel with the opposition calling for a tax cut on bills and the chancellor, conscious of the shocking state of the nation's finances says no....... it's a far more normal political debate than Boris needing an investigation to work out where he was.
Big contrast between Rishi and Boris I think.1 -
Done it beforte. Turned out to be only a very temporarily inflatable skeleton, like certain invertebrates. This time we will see.RochdalePioneers said:Its official - I will stop referring to Douglas Ross as DRoss. He has found a spine and a fine and sturdy backbone it is.
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You both appear demented when it comes to debating Scottish independence/nationalism.
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Not necessarily. Whitehall was unusually quiet at the time with so much remote working. Word may well have got around but proving anything satisfactorily wouldn't be easy. In any case, what genuinely (as opposed to for political posturing purposes) would you expect a minister to do, other than perhaps ask No 10 WTF it thinks it's doing?Jonathan said:
Funny that. They must have known about this before it became public. It didn't seem to bother them before. Any future PM candidate has questions to answer about what they knew and what they did (or didn't) do about it.rottenborough said:(((Dan Hodges)))
@DPJHodges
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Plenty of ordinary folk were working together at the time. Not sure that cut any ice with plod.bondegezou said:
It seems like they may be trialling the “they were already working together” line. The thing to ask back is whether all 40 attendees were actually already working together. The interviewee can either admit they don’t actually know, or if they say they can confirm that, then that must mean they have an attendance list that they can turn over to the media or at least Gray.Scott_xP said:Asked about the No10 partygate row @BrandonLewis says he understands the “anger, frustration even upset that people will feel” but insists Sue Gray must be given the time to carry out her investigation.
“Does the PM still have your confidence?”
“Absolutely” he replies https://twitter.com/Tracey_utv/status/1480893541379457037/photo/1
Tory MP Michael Fabricant says the understanding was that the alleged No 10 garden party was "not spreading the disease because these were people already working closely together".
https://trib.al/WNMUMLX
📺 Sky 501, Virgin 602, Freeview 233 and YouTube https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1480930265530777603/video/10 -
I think there was always some small element of that. The problem was one of scale. In 1980 there were 150,000 jobs offshored by US companies. By 2017 that was 14.4 million.Nigelb said:I hadn't realised just how early the US started offshoring their tech manufacturing.
https://www.eetimes.com/the-roots-of-silicon-valley-part-2-planar-technology-the-fairchildren/
...With as many as 15,000 die now on a single wafer, assembly and test now outweighed wafer fab costs. Hence, the need to reduce labor costs as a matter of survival. After some early failed ventures, for example in Shiprock, N.M., at a Navajo reservation, along with early attempts at automation, offshoring test and assembly to Asia ultimately proved successful, at least in the short term. Bob Noyce, an investor in a small radio company in Hong Kong, suggested to Charlie Sporck that he and Jerry Levine scout the region.
They were attracted by the low labor cost, non-unionized facilities, western-educated technicians, good engineering schools, and tax incentives and other government subsidies. In 1963, Fairchild set up the industry’s first Far East assembly and test operation in a former shoe factory on the Kowloon side of Hong Kong. Other semiconductor manufacturers subsequently followed Fairchild to the Far East, primarily Malaysia...0 -
Sometimes I think PB should have a sister site, an adjacent chat room where people could carry out their personal vendettas and fights in private. It could also, for example, host debates on the difference between a village and a town.Nigel_Foremain said:
I guess that is your idea of a "no" to my generous offer 😞😞. I am so disappointed.malcolmg said:
I say again F*** off lowlife peddle your crap elsewhere.Nigel_Foremain said:
I haven't "stalked" you, you absurd, rude and unpleasant little toad. What did I lie about, or is that just another knee-jerk response from the biggest jerk on PB? I take the piss out of you not just because you are an ignorant fool, but because you are an exceptionally obnoxious one. You think abuse is a form of debate. I have regularly seen you attempt to bully others you disagree with on here with your child like abuse. I'll offer you a deal; quit being an obnoxious arse and I will quit taking the rise out of you. Have a lovely day.malcolmg said:
You are lying piece of crap. Stick to sucking others butt's on here it suits you better. People see you for what you are stalker.Nigel_Foremain said:
I think it is unfair to say I continually have a go at him, I just have a go at him when I notice he is either unnecessarily rude to others or writes a load of crap. That is of course most of his posts, which as I am not on here all the time I don't get the pleasure of taking the piss out of continually. Nice of you to defend him, though I can reassure you he doesn't deserve your kindness.Taz said:
Interesting how he, on the one hand is happy to continually have a go at you and how,you respond to some posters yet, on the other hand, is quite happy to troll and bait you for replies.malcolmg said:
F*** off and keep doing it scumbagNigel_Foremain said:
Lol. The number one unquestioning fanboy of the creepy fat little man who was described by his QC as a "bully and sex pest" refers to another politician as "sleezy pervert". 😂😂😂😂😂😂malcolmg said:
who among all of the many the likely candidates was most like the sleazy pervert Roman in SuccesssionFarooq said:
Can you narrow it down slightly?malcolmg said:
I meant in the cabinetTheScreamingEagles said:
Roman.malcolmg said:
who is the creepy pervert onemaaarsh said:
Javid is Kendal from Succession. Superficially plausible successor who fundamentally lacks balls.StuartDickson said:Sunak, Javid and Baker shortening in Next PM market. Gove lengthening.
PS: I know your life is pretty busy with all the anger management sessions and so on, but please let me know if you would like me to recommend a grammarian to help with your punctuation and inappropriate capitalisation. Always here to help! Love and kisses xxx
But I guess we'd miss the entertainment.1 -
Well. One turned up for a start.Pulpstar said:This debate about Vat on fuel with the opposition calling for a tax cut on bills and the chancellor, conscious of the shocking state of the nation's finances says no....... it's a far more normal political debate than Boris needing an investigation to work out where he was.
Big contrast between Rishi and Boris I think.0 -
The speaker (Or LOTO) really needs a power to ask a question that must be answered truthfully by the PM under the power of something like perjury in the courts for a wrong answer.DavidL said:
It wasn't the rules but it would have been an arguable case. The actual risk of Covid being spread between such a group which had not already been spread would have been minimal to nil. Too late now though if Boris has gone along with or attended this. He has committed himself that he didn't.Slackbladder said:
But those weren't the rules..... not good enough.Scott_xP said:
Tory MP Michael Fabricant says the understanding was that the alleged No 10 garden party was "not spreading the disease because these were people already working closely together".
https://trib.al/WNMUMLX
📺 Sky 501, Virgin 602, Freeview 233 and YouTube https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1480930265530777603/video/1
Call it a special question and he can use one per week in place of a regular PMQ question.0 -
Surely you know that a Parish Council is a Town Council. The council that runs the City of Salisbury has the same legal standing as Handforth Parish Council and Comedy Club.HYUFD said:
Presumably it just renamed it a town council? Herrington has neither and is part of the metropolitan city of Sunderlandkjh said:
My Dad's village successful voted to abolish its Parish Council. What is it now? Do we have to think of a new name for it?HYUFD said:
Herrington is part of the Metropolitan city of Sunderland, not really a village.Andy_Cooke said:
Note that only one of the names he cites has to be a village for your statement "There are no villages in any Sunderland seat" to be wrong.HYUFD said:
Houghton is a town not a villageRochdalePioneers said:
Laughable. There are no villages in "Houghton and Sunderland South"? I used to live there. Houghton-le-Spring is a village. Hetton-le-Hole. Shiney Row. Newbottle. New Herrington. And how do you know the farmers don't vote Tory?HYUFD said:
There are no villages in any Sunderland seateek said:
There are a lot, just not enough to give the Tories a seat in 2019 (or ever given that 2019 will be the high watermark for the Tory party now Boris has destroyed it).HYUFD said:
They are significantly different to many of them, plenty of rural Tory voters in Sedgefield or North Durham for instance, no rural Tory voters in SunderlandGallowgate said:
Yeah, but the Tories in Sunderland are not much different to the Tories in Blyth and North Durham and Sedgefield and Redcar, etc.HYUFD said:
Every MP in Sunderland is already LabourRochdalePioneers said:
HYUFD will be along to explain how the Chair of Sunderland Conservatives is actually not a True Tory and actually the red wall will only vote for Boris and actually where is Sunderland anyway actually.dixiedean said:Chair of Sunderland Conservatives says Boris has to go. For this "atrocity".
You don't have talk some fact-free bollocks. Have you ever stopped and thought "I don't actually know anything at all about this, best to keep my comments specific"?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Houghton-le-Spring
Shiney Row, Newbottle, and New Herrington seem to be villages indeed.
Therefore the statement "There are no villages in any Sunderland seat" is wrong.
It does not have its own parish council for starters
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Yes, they'd be the ones leaving.HYUFD said:
It is a good way for identifying the genuine true Tories though.david_herdson said:
Yes. But then keeping half the Tory vote on board is not an election-winning strategy,HYUFD said:
So most even of 2019 Tory voters want him to stayScott_xP said:🚨NEW SNAP POLL🚨
Should Boris Johnson resign over BYOB partygate?
🇬🇧All adults
Should 66%
Should not 24%
🌳2019 Con
Should 42%
Should not 45%
🌹2019 Lab
Should 85%
Should not 10%
1,040 UK adults, 11th Jan 2022 https://twitter.com/SavantaComRes/status/1480922753867911179/photo/1
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But in any case, this thinking is completely back to front. It's for the public to vet and choose politicians, not the other way round.1 -
Difficult one denying that a party he attended as host hadn't taken place.0
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A sort of Westminster Hall?Northern_Al said:
Sometimes I think PB should have a sister site, an adjacent chat room where people could carry out their personal vendettas and fights in private. It could also, for example, host debates on the difference between a village and a town.Nigel_Foremain said:
I guess that is your idea of a "no" to my generous offer 😞😞. I am so disappointed.malcolmg said:
I say again F*** off lowlife peddle your crap elsewhere.Nigel_Foremain said:
I haven't "stalked" you, you absurd, rude and unpleasant little toad. What did I lie about, or is that just another knee-jerk response from the biggest jerk on PB? I take the piss out of you not just because you are an ignorant fool, but because you are an exceptionally obnoxious one. You think abuse is a form of debate. I have regularly seen you attempt to bully others you disagree with on here with your child like abuse. I'll offer you a deal; quit being an obnoxious arse and I will quit taking the rise out of you. Have a lovely day.malcolmg said:
You are lying piece of crap. Stick to sucking others butt's on here it suits you better. People see you for what you are stalker.Nigel_Foremain said:
I think it is unfair to say I continually have a go at him, I just have a go at him when I notice he is either unnecessarily rude to others or writes a load of crap. That is of course most of his posts, which as I am not on here all the time I don't get the pleasure of taking the piss out of continually. Nice of you to defend him, though I can reassure you he doesn't deserve your kindness.Taz said:
Interesting how he, on the one hand is happy to continually have a go at you and how,you respond to some posters yet, on the other hand, is quite happy to troll and bait you for replies.malcolmg said:
F*** off and keep doing it scumbagNigel_Foremain said:
Lol. The number one unquestioning fanboy of the creepy fat little man who was described by his QC as a "bully and sex pest" refers to another politician as "sleezy pervert". 😂😂😂😂😂😂malcolmg said:
who among all of the many the likely candidates was most like the sleazy pervert Roman in SuccesssionFarooq said:
Can you narrow it down slightly?malcolmg said:
I meant in the cabinetTheScreamingEagles said:
Roman.malcolmg said:
who is the creepy pervert onemaaarsh said:
Javid is Kendal from Succession. Superficially plausible successor who fundamentally lacks balls.StuartDickson said:Sunak, Javid and Baker shortening in Next PM market. Gove lengthening.
PS: I know your life is pretty busy with all the anger management sessions and so on, but please let me know if you would like me to recommend a grammarian to help with your punctuation and inappropriate capitalisation. Always here to help! Love and kisses xxx
But I guess we'd miss the entertainment.0 -
The more desperate in No.10 will now hope the Met decides to look into this, because that would pause the civil service investigation and justify a "cannot comment" stance. Others will know that if this drags on for a year, the scarring to the party will take a decade to repair.
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Not true. The staff at 10 Downing Street do different jobs in different teams. The party brought together staff from across 10 Downing Street, so, depending on who turned up and what they did, the party was exposing people to other people with whom they would otherwise had minimal contact. Ergo, a risk of additional COVID spread was created. Not perhaps a huge risk, with being outside greatly reducing transmission, but some additional risk was created, exactly of the sort that the regulations were seeking to prevent.DavidL said:
It wasn't the rules but it would have been an arguable case. The actual risk of Covid being spread between such a group which had not already been spread would have been minimal to nil. Too late now though if Boris has gone along with or attended this. He has committed himself that he didn't.Slackbladder said:
But those weren't the rules..... not good enough.Scott_xP said:
Tory MP Michael Fabricant says the understanding was that the alleged No 10 garden party was "not spreading the disease because these were people already working closely together".
https://trib.al/WNMUMLX
📺 Sky 501, Virgin 602, Freeview 233 and YouTube https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1480930265530777603/video/1
However, I concur that the cover-up is perhaps worse than the crime.0 -
This Chairman of the Sunderland Tories is putting in a shift going studs up on all feeble excuses.
Btw. The poshest Mackem I've ever heard.0 -
This post nails it for me - absolutely spot on, regardless of affiliation. I believe you're a Tory? Apologies if I'm wrong.GIN1138 said:
I mean not everything is about poll numbers and winning elections, What about probity in public office? What about lying to Parliament?HYUFD said:
We know Truss polls worse, Opinium had a Truss led Tories 16% behind Starmer LabourBig_G_NorthWales said:
Your dislike of Truss shining through and of course Boris should goHYUFD said:
As I said unless Labour are consistently 10%+ ahead there is no point replacing Boris. Especially as the membership might pick Truss over Sunak who would likely poll even worseRazedabode said:
The trend is only going up. You’re at risk of alienating 40% of your 2019 voting population and you think that’s good?HYUFD said:
More Conservative voters, even 2019 Conservative voters, do not think Boris should resign than think he should thenScott_xP said:Oh my - new polling from @SavantaComRes on BYOBgate:
- 66% say Boris Johnson should resign following latest revelations - +12 since their last poll at Christmas
- That includes 42% of 2019 Conservative voters (+9)
- https://twitter.com/SebastianEPayne/status/1480923563351760905
I just do not see how you can defend the indefensible but then you are either in denial or just blind in loyalty
Boris Johnson's behaviour is inexcusable and disgraceful. He and his Downing St. operation have taken the piss out of not only the British public but all those that have suffered loss and grief through this pandemic.
Whoever replaces Johnson and whether they are popular with the public or any good at governing is a matter for another day. The starting position is that Boris Johnson is a disgrace to the country and should either resign on his own terms or be removed from office by the Party!
I thought, until recently, that BJ would definitely fight the next election. After today, I now think that he will be gone by the end of this month.3 -
No it was abolished altogether. The village had a referendum and dumped it. What description would you give the place now?HYUFD said:
Presumably it just renamed it a town council? Herrington has neither and is part of the metropolitan city of Sunderlandkjh said:
My Dad's village successful voted to abolish its Parish Council. What is it now? Do we have to think of a new name for it?HYUFD said:
Herrington is part of the Metropolitan city of Sunderland, not really a village.Andy_Cooke said:
Note that only one of the names he cites has to be a village for your statement "There are no villages in any Sunderland seat" to be wrong.HYUFD said:
Houghton is a town not a villageRochdalePioneers said:
Laughable. There are no villages in "Houghton and Sunderland South"? I used to live there. Houghton-le-Spring is a village. Hetton-le-Hole. Shiney Row. Newbottle. New Herrington. And how do you know the farmers don't vote Tory?HYUFD said:
There are no villages in any Sunderland seateek said:
There are a lot, just not enough to give the Tories a seat in 2019 (or ever given that 2019 will be the high watermark for the Tory party now Boris has destroyed it).HYUFD said:
They are significantly different to many of them, plenty of rural Tory voters in Sedgefield or North Durham for instance, no rural Tory voters in SunderlandGallowgate said:
Yeah, but the Tories in Sunderland are not much different to the Tories in Blyth and North Durham and Sedgefield and Redcar, etc.HYUFD said:
Every MP in Sunderland is already LabourRochdalePioneers said:
HYUFD will be along to explain how the Chair of Sunderland Conservatives is actually not a True Tory and actually the red wall will only vote for Boris and actually where is Sunderland anyway actually.dixiedean said:Chair of Sunderland Conservatives says Boris has to go. For this "atrocity".
You don't have talk some fact-free bollocks. Have you ever stopped and thought "I don't actually know anything at all about this, best to keep my comments specific"?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Houghton-le-Spring
Shiney Row, Newbottle, and New Herrington seem to be villages indeed.
Therefore the statement "There are no villages in any Sunderland seat" is wrong.
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You have to feel sorry for Michael Ellis QC. At least Geoffrey Cox QC got paid shedloads of money for acting on behalf of a government accused of misgovernance.2
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He is below turnips on the evolution scale for sure.rcs1000 said:
I believe it was something about turnips.OldKingCole said:
Have you two fallen out over something?Nigel_Foremain said:
I haven't "stalked" you, you absurd, rude and unpleasant little toad. What did I lie about, or is that just another knee-jerk response from the biggest jerk on PB? I take the piss out of you not just because you are an ignorant fool, but because you are an exceptionally obnoxious one. You think abuse is a form of debate. I have regularly seen you attempt to bully others you disagree with on here with your child like abuse. I'll offer you a deal; quit being an obnoxious arse and I will quit taking the rise out of you. Have a lovely day.malcolmg said:
You are lying piece of crap. Stick to sucking others butt's on here it suits you better. People see you for what you are stalker.Nigel_Foremain said:
I think it is unfair to say I continually have a go at him, I just have a go at him when I notice he is either unnecessarily rude to others or writes a load of crap. That is of course most of his posts, which as I am not on here all the time I don't get the pleasure of taking the piss out of continually. Nice of you to defend him, though I can reassure you he doesn't deserve your kindness.Taz said:
Interesting how he, on the one hand is happy to continually have a go at you and how,you respond to some posters yet, on the other hand, is quite happy to troll and bait you for replies.malcolmg said:
F*** off and keep doing it scumbagNigel_Foremain said:
Lol. The number one unquestioning fanboy of the creepy fat little man who was described by his QC as a "bully and sex pest" refers to another politician as "sleezy pervert". 😂😂😂😂😂😂malcolmg said:
who among all of the many the likely candidates was most like the sleazy pervert Roman in SuccesssionFarooq said:
Can you narrow it down slightly?malcolmg said:
I meant in the cabinetTheScreamingEagles said:
Roman.malcolmg said:
who is the creepy pervert onemaaarsh said:
Javid is Kendal from Succession. Superficially plausible successor who fundamentally lacks balls.StuartDickson said:Sunak, Javid and Baker shortening in Next PM market. Gove lengthening.
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And even worse than cover-up is what looks like yet another attempt at a nudge-nudge and smirking brazen-out from Johnson. That is what really corrodes democracy tenfold.bondegezou said:
Not true. The staff at 10 Downing Street do different jobs in different teams. The party brought together staff from across 10 Downing Street, so, depending on who turned up and what they did, the party was exposing people to other people with whom they would otherwise had minimal contact. Ergo, a risk of additional COVID spread was created. Not perhaps a huge risk, with being outside greatly reducing transmission, but some additional risk was created, exactly of the sort that the regulations were seeking to prevent.DavidL said:
It wasn't the rules but it would have been an arguable case. The actual risk of Covid being spread between such a group which had not already been spread would have been minimal to nil. Too late now though if Boris has gone along with or attended this. He has committed himself that he didn't.Slackbladder said:
But those weren't the rules..... not good enough.Scott_xP said:
Tory MP Michael Fabricant says the understanding was that the alleged No 10 garden party was "not spreading the disease because these were people already working closely together".
https://trib.al/WNMUMLX
📺 Sky 501, Virgin 602, Freeview 233 and YouTube https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1480930265530777603/video/1
However, I concur that the cover-up is perhaps worse than the crime.
I only hope Trump runs into a dead end this year too, with his cynical smirk.0 -
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shouting at people about parties today
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Or too hungover from attending a hell of a party the night before.OldKingCole said:
Do we expect our PM to ACTUALLY turn up to PMQ's tomorrow? I reasonably confidently expect him to be sick, or Carrie to be taken very ill, or one of the children to be ill, and need him at their bedside.Nemtynakht said:
Their key weaknesses being that the first I heard about VAT on energy being a key brexit argument is now almost 6 years later. It might not have super cut through.GIN1138 said:
Might be a lousy idea to address the problem but it's good politics.Richard_Nabavi said:Oh dear, just when you think Labour might be edging towards becoming a credible government-in-waiting again, they blow all that credibility on this utterly daft idea of cutting VAT on fuel - just about the most inefficient measure anyone could come up with to address the problem.
1. It hoists Boris and the Tory Brexiteers by their own putard after it was one of the key pledges they made as to why Brexit was a good idea.
2. It signals to the Red Wall that Labour in general and Starmer in particular have fundamentally accepted Brexit.
3. VAT on fuel has always been a controversial and hated tax from the day it was announced in Lamont's 1993 budget and very much coincided with John Major's government imploding... Not the only reason of course but the optics of that particular tax always looked dreadful after the recession and Major's ERM fiasco.
Secondly the energy Minster who brought in huge green taxes on fuel is now shadow minister. I imagine the Tory researchers are digging out all the quotes to throw back at him
Personally I feel the Starmer needs to call Boris a liar at PMQs. I would like it in the form of the dead parrot sketch. A list of euphemisms that he could use to show that he could stay within the bounds of parliamentary language. Then he should say the British people want a straight answer - why is Boris lying?
Once ejected he should have a clear afternoon to trawl around the studios saying that the Pm and his cronies break serious rules that most people followed - why should be follow insignificant rules and not call it like it is.
He'd be 10 points up the weekend.1 -
My mentor’s wife repapered her grace and favour flat when they lived there during Edward Heath’s tenure.GIN1138 said:I wonder who's going to get to enjoy Boris and Carrie's lovely wallpaper when they're out on their arses?
It was famously replaced by Derry Irvine…
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Ah come on. A party for 100 people is pretty noticeable, but doubly so if you live above the shop.david_herdson said:
Not necessarily. Whitehall was unusually quiet at the time with so much remote working. Word may well have got around but proving anything satisfactorily wouldn't be easy. In any case, what genuinely (as opposed to for political posturing purposes) would you expect a minister to do, other than perhaps ask No 10 WTF it thinks it's doing?Jonathan said:
Funny that. They must have known about this before it became public. It didn't seem to bother them before. Any future PM candidate has questions to answer about what they knew and what they did (or didn't) do about it.rottenborough said:(((Dan Hodges)))
@DPJHodges
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Have yet to find a Tory MP, Minister or Cabinet Minister who thinks Boris’s position is defensible or survivable.
Even if you didn't know at the time, when the first story about a party came out, you would ask the question whether there was a party. You would have found out then.
So what should a responsible minister do at that point. Probably resign if the collective decision was to lie about it or hide it. At the very list, your objection should be on the record.
You either care about the laws you make or you don't.
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I'm not a member but I have voted Con in every general election since 2010 (but before that I voted Labour in 1997 and Lib-Dem in 2005, so I do have an independent streakNorthern_Al said:
This post nails it for me - absolutely spot on, regardless of affiliation. I believe you're a Tory? Apologies if I'm wrong.GIN1138 said:
I mean not everything is about poll numbers and winning elections, What about probity in public office? What about lying to Parliament?HYUFD said:
We know Truss polls worse, Opinium had a Truss led Tories 16% behind Starmer LabourBig_G_NorthWales said:
Your dislike of Truss shining through and of course Boris should goHYUFD said:
As I said unless Labour are consistently 10%+ ahead there is no point replacing Boris. Especially as the membership might pick Truss over Sunak who would likely poll even worseRazedabode said:
The trend is only going up. You’re at risk of alienating 40% of your 2019 voting population and you think that’s good?HYUFD said:
More Conservative voters, even 2019 Conservative voters, do not think Boris should resign than think he should thenScott_xP said:Oh my - new polling from @SavantaComRes on BYOBgate:
- 66% say Boris Johnson should resign following latest revelations - +12 since their last poll at Christmas
- That includes 42% of 2019 Conservative voters (+9)
- https://twitter.com/SebastianEPayne/status/1480923563351760905
I just do not see how you can defend the indefensible but then you are either in denial or just blind in loyalty
Boris Johnson's behaviour is inexcusable and disgraceful. He and his Downing St. operation have taken the piss out of not only the British public but all those that have suffered loss and grief through this pandemic.
Whoever replaces Johnson and whether they are popular with the public or any good at governing is a matter for another day. The starting position is that Boris Johnson is a disgrace to the country and should either resign on his own terms or be removed from office by the Party!
I thought, until recently, that BJ would definitely fight the next election. After today, I now think that he will be gone by the end of this month.
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If there was an election tomorrow between Johnson and Starmer I'd probably vote Labour for get Boris out!1 -
FWIW - As the self-proclaimed doyen of the pb Tories (longest serving poster anyway), I now think that Johnson should go.12
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So who manages the toilets, village hall, war memorial, allotments, organises village events, maintains the village green etc? Not to mention the input parish councils have into local planningkjh said:
No it was abolished altogether. The village had a referendum and dumped it.HYUFD said:
Presumably it just renamed it a town council? Herrington has neither and is part of the metropolitan city of Sunderlandkjh said:
My Dad's village successful voted to abolish its Parish Council. What is it now? Do we have to think of a new name for it?HYUFD said:
Herrington is part of the Metropolitan city of Sunderland, not really a village.Andy_Cooke said:
Note that only one of the names he cites has to be a village for your statement "There are no villages in any Sunderland seat" to be wrong.HYUFD said:
Houghton is a town not a villageRochdalePioneers said:
Laughable. There are no villages in "Houghton and Sunderland South"? I used to live there. Houghton-le-Spring is a village. Hetton-le-Hole. Shiney Row. Newbottle. New Herrington. And how do you know the farmers don't vote Tory?HYUFD said:
There are no villages in any Sunderland seateek said:
There are a lot, just not enough to give the Tories a seat in 2019 (or ever given that 2019 will be the high watermark for the Tory party now Boris has destroyed it).HYUFD said:
They are significantly different to many of them, plenty of rural Tory voters in Sedgefield or North Durham for instance, no rural Tory voters in SunderlandGallowgate said:
Yeah, but the Tories in Sunderland are not much different to the Tories in Blyth and North Durham and Sedgefield and Redcar, etc.HYUFD said:
Every MP in Sunderland is already LabourRochdalePioneers said:
HYUFD will be along to explain how the Chair of Sunderland Conservatives is actually not a True Tory and actually the red wall will only vote for Boris and actually where is Sunderland anyway actually.dixiedean said:Chair of Sunderland Conservatives says Boris has to go. For this "atrocity".
You don't have talk some fact-free bollocks. Have you ever stopped and thought "I don't actually know anything at all about this, best to keep my comments specific"?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Houghton-le-Spring
Shiney Row, Newbottle, and New Herrington seem to be villages indeed.
Therefore the statement "There are no villages in any Sunderland seat" is wrong.
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And completely unnecessary. We already know they held a quiz on teams, so they must have video conferencing. Any get together could have been on teams. I think the key issue from this is that people don't go into politics to sit at a desk at home, and their view of essential meetings might be different to everyone else.bondegezou said:
Not true. The staff at 10 Downing Street do different jobs in different teams. The party brought together staff from across 10 Downing Street, so, depending on who turned up and what they did, the party was exposing people to other people with whom they would otherwise had minimal contact. Ergo, a risk of additional COVID spread was created. Not perhaps a huge risk, with being outside greatly reducing transmission, but some additional risk was created, exactly of the sort that the regulations were seeking to prevent.DavidL said:
It wasn't the rules but it would have been an arguable case. The actual risk of Covid being spread between such a group which had not already been spread would have been minimal to nil. Too late now though if Boris has gone along with or attended this. He has committed himself that he didn't.Slackbladder said:
But those weren't the rules..... not good enough.Scott_xP said:
Tory MP Michael Fabricant says the understanding was that the alleged No 10 garden party was "not spreading the disease because these were people already working closely together".
https://trib.al/WNMUMLX
📺 Sky 501, Virgin 602, Freeview 233 and YouTube https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1480930265530777603/video/1
However, I concur that the cover-up is perhaps worse than the crime.
Although I did notice on the BBC today that the word essential was being stretched to its limit of credulity
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-59920978
Apparently in no spend January one of the essentials alongside bills and a food shop is candles!!!
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Headline figures - 121k cases, 379 deaths*.
Admission and mechanical beds in England still flat.
* this big number again looks like its lots of backfilling. As by date of death is in the range 130-170 for a week.0 -
Now???JohnO said:FWIW - As the self-proclaimed doyen of the pb Tories (longest serving poster anyway), I now think that Johnson should go.
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Oh ok, I see, you don't like the fact that I see a strong correlation between obsessive nationalism (as opposed to those that make positive cases for independence and localism) and hatred and division and often racism? I am a sceptic about Scottish nationalism, yes, but not all Scottish Nationalists are unpleasant people any more than people who voted Leave are. I am also a sceptic about people who blindly follow and lionise political figures.Farooq said:
Your anti-nationalist posts are just as demented. The two of you really do represent the worst of each side.Nigel_Foremain said:
Hmm, an interesting one. Not the best post even by your standards. So which would you prefer? My light sarcasm in response or Malcolm's demented incoherent abuse?Farooq said:
My point is that you and Nigel_Foremain are the samemalcolmg said:
Your point is caller , other than some random crap jpg that is not real.Farooq said:
two_spidermen_pointing_at_each_other.jpgmalcolmg said:
Yes Taz, he is a real pain in the butt, not interested in discussion , just constantly insulting me , very tedious. I keep thinking I should ignore it which is the sensible thing to do but at times I just have to say something. Obviously not a very nice person , fine having banter back and forward but he is just a pest.Taz said:
Interesting how he, on the one hand is happy to continually have a go at you and how,you respond to some posters yet, on the other hand, is quite happy to troll and bait you for replies.malcolmg said:
F*** off and keep doing it scumbagNigel_Foremain said:
Lol. The number one unquestioning fanboy of the creepy fat little man who was described by his QC as a "bully and sex pest" refers to another politician as "sleezy pervert". 😂😂😂😂😂😂malcolmg said:
who among all of the many the likely candidates was most like the sleazy pervert Roman in SuccesssionFarooq said:
Can you narrow it down slightly?malcolmg said:
I meant in the cabinetTheScreamingEagles said:
Roman.malcolmg said:
who is the creepy pervert onemaaarsh said:
Javid is Kendal from Succession. Superficially plausible successor who fundamentally lacks balls.StuartDickson said:Sunak, Javid and Baker shortening in Next PM market. Gove lengthening.
Fundamentally I have absolutely nothing in common with Malcolm, other than perhaps that I also love Scotland. He probably thinks that is not allowable. It is tempting to respond to the fact that you think I am similar to Malcolm with his type of tirade questioning your intelligence (an irony which is always interesting coming from someone so inarticulate as he), but in case you might misunderstand any attempt at satire I suggest you try giving some of my non-Malcolm posts a chance. Have a lovely day1 -
Probably the Tory leader in 2051, given it took 32 years for the Tories to get their next majority over 50 in 2019 under Boris since their last majority over 50 under Thatcher in 1987dixiedean said:
Mind you. Final question.dixiedean said:This Chairman of the Sunderland Tories is putting in a shift going studs up on all feeble excuses.
Btw. The poshest Mackem I've ever heard.
"Who wins the Tories their next 80 seat majority?"
"Penny Mordaunt."0 -
Isn't that a variation on the "Get rid of all the non-political betting posts"?Northern_Al said:
Sometimes I think PB should have a sister site, an adjacent chat room where people could carry out their personal vendettas and fights in private. It could also, for example, host debates on the difference between a village and a town.Nigel_Foremain said:
I guess that is your idea of a "no" to my generous offer 😞😞. I am so disappointed.malcolmg said:
I say again F*** off lowlife peddle your crap elsewhere.Nigel_Foremain said:
I haven't "stalked" you, you absurd, rude and unpleasant little toad. What did I lie about, or is that just another knee-jerk response from the biggest jerk on PB? I take the piss out of you not just because you are an ignorant fool, but because you are an exceptionally obnoxious one. You think abuse is a form of debate. I have regularly seen you attempt to bully others you disagree with on here with your child like abuse. I'll offer you a deal; quit being an obnoxious arse and I will quit taking the rise out of you. Have a lovely day.malcolmg said:
You are lying piece of crap. Stick to sucking others butt's on here it suits you better. People see you for what you are stalker.Nigel_Foremain said:
I think it is unfair to say I continually have a go at him, I just have a go at him when I notice he is either unnecessarily rude to others or writes a load of crap. That is of course most of his posts, which as I am not on here all the time I don't get the pleasure of taking the piss out of continually. Nice of you to defend him, though I can reassure you he doesn't deserve your kindness.Taz said:
Interesting how he, on the one hand is happy to continually have a go at you and how,you respond to some posters yet, on the other hand, is quite happy to troll and bait you for replies.malcolmg said:
F*** off and keep doing it scumbagNigel_Foremain said:
Lol. The number one unquestioning fanboy of the creepy fat little man who was described by his QC as a "bully and sex pest" refers to another politician as "sleezy pervert". 😂😂😂😂😂😂malcolmg said:
who among all of the many the likely candidates was most like the sleazy pervert Roman in SuccesssionFarooq said:
Can you narrow it down slightly?malcolmg said:
I meant in the cabinetTheScreamingEagles said:
Roman.malcolmg said:
who is the creepy pervert onemaaarsh said:
Javid is Kendal from Succession. Superficially plausible successor who fundamentally lacks balls.StuartDickson said:Sunak, Javid and Baker shortening in Next PM market. Gove lengthening.
PS: I know your life is pretty busy with all the anger management sessions and so on, but please let me know if you would like me to recommend a grammarian to help with your punctuation and inappropriate capitalisation. Always here to help! Love and kisses xxx
But I guess we'd miss the entertainment.0 -
Not a clue, but it is gone. I assume Woking Borough. Look it up. Byfleet. 80% in favour of dumping it.HYUFD said:
So who manages the toilets, village hall, war memorial, allotments, organises village events, maintains the village green etc? Not to mention the input parish councils have into local planningkjh said:
No it was abolished altogether. The village had a referendum and dumped it.HYUFD said:
Presumably it just renamed it a town council? Herrington has neither and is part of the metropolitan city of Sunderlandkjh said:
My Dad's village successful voted to abolish its Parish Council. What is it now? Do we have to think of a new name for it?HYUFD said:
Herrington is part of the Metropolitan city of Sunderland, not really a village.Andy_Cooke said:
Note that only one of the names he cites has to be a village for your statement "There are no villages in any Sunderland seat" to be wrong.HYUFD said:
Houghton is a town not a villageRochdalePioneers said:
Laughable. There are no villages in "Houghton and Sunderland South"? I used to live there. Houghton-le-Spring is a village. Hetton-le-Hole. Shiney Row. Newbottle. New Herrington. And how do you know the farmers don't vote Tory?HYUFD said:
There are no villages in any Sunderland seateek said:
There are a lot, just not enough to give the Tories a seat in 2019 (or ever given that 2019 will be the high watermark for the Tory party now Boris has destroyed it).HYUFD said:
They are significantly different to many of them, plenty of rural Tory voters in Sedgefield or North Durham for instance, no rural Tory voters in SunderlandGallowgate said:
Yeah, but the Tories in Sunderland are not much different to the Tories in Blyth and North Durham and Sedgefield and Redcar, etc.HYUFD said:
Every MP in Sunderland is already LabourRochdalePioneers said:
HYUFD will be along to explain how the Chair of Sunderland Conservatives is actually not a True Tory and actually the red wall will only vote for Boris and actually where is Sunderland anyway actually.dixiedean said:Chair of Sunderland Conservatives says Boris has to go. For this "atrocity".
You don't have talk some fact-free bollocks. Have you ever stopped and thought "I don't actually know anything at all about this, best to keep my comments specific"?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Houghton-le-Spring
Shiney Row, Newbottle, and New Herrington seem to be villages indeed.
Therefore the statement "There are no villages in any Sunderland seat" is wrong.
It does not have its own parish council for starters
I have to say I didn't approve, but I don't live there so nothing to do with me.1 -
What input in planning - we've been here before but the parish council is little different to Mr Smith a neighbour writing an objection (and Mr Smith's objection is usually saner with usable reasons within it).HYUFD said:
So who manages the toilets, village hall, war memorial, allotments, organises village events, maintains the village green etc? Not to mention the input parish councils have into local planningkjh said:
No it was abolished altogether. The village had a referendum and dumped it.HYUFD said:
Presumably it just renamed it a town council? Herrington has neither and is part of the metropolitan city of Sunderlandkjh said:
My Dad's village successful voted to abolish its Parish Council. What is it now? Do we have to think of a new name for it?HYUFD said:
Herrington is part of the Metropolitan city of Sunderland, not really a village.Andy_Cooke said:
Note that only one of the names he cites has to be a village for your statement "There are no villages in any Sunderland seat" to be wrong.HYUFD said:
Houghton is a town not a villageRochdalePioneers said:
Laughable. There are no villages in "Houghton and Sunderland South"? I used to live there. Houghton-le-Spring is a village. Hetton-le-Hole. Shiney Row. Newbottle. New Herrington. And how do you know the farmers don't vote Tory?HYUFD said:
There are no villages in any Sunderland seateek said:
There are a lot, just not enough to give the Tories a seat in 2019 (or ever given that 2019 will be the high watermark for the Tory party now Boris has destroyed it).HYUFD said:
They are significantly different to many of them, plenty of rural Tory voters in Sedgefield or North Durham for instance, no rural Tory voters in SunderlandGallowgate said:
Yeah, but the Tories in Sunderland are not much different to the Tories in Blyth and North Durham and Sedgefield and Redcar, etc.HYUFD said:
Every MP in Sunderland is already LabourRochdalePioneers said:
HYUFD will be along to explain how the Chair of Sunderland Conservatives is actually not a True Tory and actually the red wall will only vote for Boris and actually where is Sunderland anyway actually.dixiedean said:Chair of Sunderland Conservatives says Boris has to go. For this "atrocity".
You don't have talk some fact-free bollocks. Have you ever stopped and thought "I don't actually know anything at all about this, best to keep my comments specific"?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Houghton-le-Spring
Shiney Row, Newbottle, and New Herrington seem to be villages indeed.
Therefore the statement "There are no villages in any Sunderland seat" is wrong.
It does not have its own parish council for starters0 -
Claudia Webbe !
How on earth is she still in the house.1 -
You come for the betting tips and political insight, but you stay for the absurd discussions and ridiculous feuds.Northern_Al said:
Sometimes I think PB should have a sister site, an adjacent chat room where people could carry out their personal vendettas and fights in private. It could also, for example, host debates on the difference between a village and a town.Nigel_Foremain said:
I guess that is your idea of a "no" to my generous offer 😞😞. I am so disappointed.malcolmg said:
I say again F*** off lowlife peddle your crap elsewhere.Nigel_Foremain said:
I haven't "stalked" you, you absurd, rude and unpleasant little toad. What did I lie about, or is that just another knee-jerk response from the biggest jerk on PB? I take the piss out of you not just because you are an ignorant fool, but because you are an exceptionally obnoxious one. You think abuse is a form of debate. I have regularly seen you attempt to bully others you disagree with on here with your child like abuse. I'll offer you a deal; quit being an obnoxious arse and I will quit taking the rise out of you. Have a lovely day.malcolmg said:
You are lying piece of crap. Stick to sucking others butt's on here it suits you better. People see you for what you are stalker.Nigel_Foremain said:
I think it is unfair to say I continually have a go at him, I just have a go at him when I notice he is either unnecessarily rude to others or writes a load of crap. That is of course most of his posts, which as I am not on here all the time I don't get the pleasure of taking the piss out of continually. Nice of you to defend him, though I can reassure you he doesn't deserve your kindness.Taz said:
Interesting how he, on the one hand is happy to continually have a go at you and how,you respond to some posters yet, on the other hand, is quite happy to troll and bait you for replies.malcolmg said:
F*** off and keep doing it scumbagNigel_Foremain said:
Lol. The number one unquestioning fanboy of the creepy fat little man who was described by his QC as a "bully and sex pest" refers to another politician as "sleezy pervert". 😂😂😂😂😂😂malcolmg said:
who among all of the many the likely candidates was most like the sleazy pervert Roman in SuccesssionFarooq said:
Can you narrow it down slightly?malcolmg said:
I meant in the cabinetTheScreamingEagles said:
Roman.malcolmg said:
who is the creepy pervert onemaaarsh said:
Javid is Kendal from Succession. Superficially plausible successor who fundamentally lacks balls.StuartDickson said:Sunak, Javid and Baker shortening in Next PM market. Gove lengthening.
PS: I know your life is pretty busy with all the anger management sessions and so on, but please let me know if you would like me to recommend a grammarian to help with your punctuation and inappropriate capitalisation. Always here to help! Love and kisses xxx
But I guess we'd miss the entertainment.3 -
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No parish council, no parish council precept I presume.kjh said:
Not a clue, but it is gone. I assume Woking Borough. Look it up. Byfleet. 80% in favour of dumping it.HYUFD said:
So who manages the toilets, village hall, war memorial, allotments, organises village events, maintains the village green etc? Not to mention the input parish councils have into local planningkjh said:
No it was abolished altogether. The village had a referendum and dumped it.HYUFD said:
Presumably it just renamed it a town council? Herrington has neither and is part of the metropolitan city of Sunderlandkjh said:
My Dad's village successful voted to abolish its Parish Council. What is it now? Do we have to think of a new name for it?HYUFD said:
Herrington is part of the Metropolitan city of Sunderland, not really a village.Andy_Cooke said:
Note that only one of the names he cites has to be a village for your statement "There are no villages in any Sunderland seat" to be wrong.HYUFD said:
Houghton is a town not a villageRochdalePioneers said:
Laughable. There are no villages in "Houghton and Sunderland South"? I used to live there. Houghton-le-Spring is a village. Hetton-le-Hole. Shiney Row. Newbottle. New Herrington. And how do you know the farmers don't vote Tory?HYUFD said:
There are no villages in any Sunderland seateek said:
There are a lot, just not enough to give the Tories a seat in 2019 (or ever given that 2019 will be the high watermark for the Tory party now Boris has destroyed it).HYUFD said:
They are significantly different to many of them, plenty of rural Tory voters in Sedgefield or North Durham for instance, no rural Tory voters in SunderlandGallowgate said:
Yeah, but the Tories in Sunderland are not much different to the Tories in Blyth and North Durham and Sedgefield and Redcar, etc.HYUFD said:
Every MP in Sunderland is already LabourRochdalePioneers said:
HYUFD will be along to explain how the Chair of Sunderland Conservatives is actually not a True Tory and actually the red wall will only vote for Boris and actually where is Sunderland anyway actually.dixiedean said:Chair of Sunderland Conservatives says Boris has to go. For this "atrocity".
You don't have talk some fact-free bollocks. Have you ever stopped and thought "I don't actually know anything at all about this, best to keep my comments specific"?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Houghton-le-Spring
Shiney Row, Newbottle, and New Herrington seem to be villages indeed.
Therefore the statement "There are no villages in any Sunderland seat" is wrong.
It does not have its own parish council for starters0 -
Still having a problem with psychological projection then Malc? If you haven't looked it up yet there is probably a description on BBC Bitesize for Year 9s that you might be able to understand. Watch out for the big words though, which I am happy to help with should you need.malcolmg said:
He is below turnips on the evolution scale for sure.rcs1000 said:
I believe it was something about turnips.OldKingCole said:
Have you two fallen out over something?Nigel_Foremain said:
I haven't "stalked" you, you absurd, rude and unpleasant little toad. What did I lie about, or is that just another knee-jerk response from the biggest jerk on PB? I take the piss out of you not just because you are an ignorant fool, but because you are an exceptionally obnoxious one. You think abuse is a form of debate. I have regularly seen you attempt to bully others you disagree with on here with your child like abuse. I'll offer you a deal; quit being an obnoxious arse and I will quit taking the rise out of you. Have a lovely day.malcolmg said:
You are lying piece of crap. Stick to sucking others butt's on here it suits you better. People see you for what you are stalker.Nigel_Foremain said:
I think it is unfair to say I continually have a go at him, I just have a go at him when I notice he is either unnecessarily rude to others or writes a load of crap. That is of course most of his posts, which as I am not on here all the time I don't get the pleasure of taking the piss out of continually. Nice of you to defend him, though I can reassure you he doesn't deserve your kindness.Taz said:
Interesting how he, on the one hand is happy to continually have a go at you and how,you respond to some posters yet, on the other hand, is quite happy to troll and bait you for replies.malcolmg said:
F*** off and keep doing it scumbagNigel_Foremain said:
Lol. The number one unquestioning fanboy of the creepy fat little man who was described by his QC as a "bully and sex pest" refers to another politician as "sleezy pervert". 😂😂😂😂😂😂malcolmg said:
who among all of the many the likely candidates was most like the sleazy pervert Roman in SuccesssionFarooq said:
Can you narrow it down slightly?malcolmg said:
I meant in the cabinetTheScreamingEagles said:
Roman.malcolmg said:
who is the creepy pervert onemaaarsh said:
Javid is Kendal from Succession. Superficially plausible successor who fundamentally lacks balls.StuartDickson said:Sunak, Javid and Baker shortening in Next PM market. Gove lengthening.
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The district council, obviously. Or nobody. Depending on the function.HYUFD said:
So who manages the toilets, village hall, war memorial, allotments, organises village events, maintains the village green etc? Not to mention the input parish councils have into local planningkjh said:
No it was abolished altogether. The village had a referendum and dumped it.HYUFD said:
Presumably it just renamed it a town council? Herrington has neither and is part of the metropolitan city of Sunderlandkjh said:
My Dad's village successful voted to abolish its Parish Council. What is it now? Do we have to think of a new name for it?HYUFD said:
Herrington is part of the Metropolitan city of Sunderland, not really a village.Andy_Cooke said:
Note that only one of the names he cites has to be a village for your statement "There are no villages in any Sunderland seat" to be wrong.HYUFD said:
Houghton is a town not a villageRochdalePioneers said:
Laughable. There are no villages in "Houghton and Sunderland South"? I used to live there. Houghton-le-Spring is a village. Hetton-le-Hole. Shiney Row. Newbottle. New Herrington. And how do you know the farmers don't vote Tory?HYUFD said:
There are no villages in any Sunderland seateek said:
There are a lot, just not enough to give the Tories a seat in 2019 (or ever given that 2019 will be the high watermark for the Tory party now Boris has destroyed it).HYUFD said:
They are significantly different to many of them, plenty of rural Tory voters in Sedgefield or North Durham for instance, no rural Tory voters in SunderlandGallowgate said:
Yeah, but the Tories in Sunderland are not much different to the Tories in Blyth and North Durham and Sedgefield and Redcar, etc.HYUFD said:
Every MP in Sunderland is already LabourRochdalePioneers said:
HYUFD will be along to explain how the Chair of Sunderland Conservatives is actually not a True Tory and actually the red wall will only vote for Boris and actually where is Sunderland anyway actually.dixiedean said:Chair of Sunderland Conservatives says Boris has to go. For this "atrocity".
You don't have talk some fact-free bollocks. Have you ever stopped and thought "I don't actually know anything at all about this, best to keep my comments specific"?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Houghton-le-Spring
Shiney Row, Newbottle, and New Herrington seem to be villages indeed.
Therefore the statement "There are no villages in any Sunderland seat" is wrong.
It does not have its own parish council for starters0 -
Yes, I voted Hunt for leader in 2019, so not a fan. But, overall, I don’t rate the performance of his Government anything like as poorly as those, like yourself, who have left the party. I have now changed my mind.Richard_Nabavi said:
Now???JohnO said:FWIW - As the self-proclaimed doyen of the pb Tories (longest serving poster anyway), I now think that Johnson should go.
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Yep. I'm guessing they thought it a waste of money.Pulpstar said:
No parish council, no parish council precept I presume.kjh said:
Not a clue, but it is gone. I assume Woking Borough. Look it up. Byfleet. 80% in favour of dumping it.HYUFD said:
So who manages the toilets, village hall, war memorial, allotments, organises village events, maintains the village green etc? Not to mention the input parish councils have into local planningkjh said:
No it was abolished altogether. The village had a referendum and dumped it.HYUFD said:
Presumably it just renamed it a town council? Herrington has neither and is part of the metropolitan city of Sunderlandkjh said:
My Dad's village successful voted to abolish its Parish Council. What is it now? Do we have to think of a new name for it?HYUFD said:
Herrington is part of the Metropolitan city of Sunderland, not really a village.Andy_Cooke said:
Note that only one of the names he cites has to be a village for your statement "There are no villages in any Sunderland seat" to be wrong.HYUFD said:
Houghton is a town not a villageRochdalePioneers said:
Laughable. There are no villages in "Houghton and Sunderland South"? I used to live there. Houghton-le-Spring is a village. Hetton-le-Hole. Shiney Row. Newbottle. New Herrington. And how do you know the farmers don't vote Tory?HYUFD said:
There are no villages in any Sunderland seateek said:
There are a lot, just not enough to give the Tories a seat in 2019 (or ever given that 2019 will be the high watermark for the Tory party now Boris has destroyed it).HYUFD said:
They are significantly different to many of them, plenty of rural Tory voters in Sedgefield or North Durham for instance, no rural Tory voters in SunderlandGallowgate said:
Yeah, but the Tories in Sunderland are not much different to the Tories in Blyth and North Durham and Sedgefield and Redcar, etc.HYUFD said:
Every MP in Sunderland is already LabourRochdalePioneers said:
HYUFD will be along to explain how the Chair of Sunderland Conservatives is actually not a True Tory and actually the red wall will only vote for Boris and actually where is Sunderland anyway actually.dixiedean said:Chair of Sunderland Conservatives says Boris has to go. For this "atrocity".
You don't have talk some fact-free bollocks. Have you ever stopped and thought "I don't actually know anything at all about this, best to keep my comments specific"?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Houghton-le-Spring
Shiney Row, Newbottle, and New Herrington seem to be villages indeed.
Therefore the statement "There are no villages in any Sunderland seat" is wrong.
It does not have its own parish council for starters0 -
Ed Miliband !
He's dreamt up the daft idea that sunk most of the 28 'gone under' energy companies.0 -
I'd kind of hoped he might have resigned by then. I just don't see what those trying to keep him in place think will happen after today where Boris will be more of an asset. As GIN has said here there comes a point where you have had the benefit of the doubt, and erased all doubt. It kid of explains why he didn't get rid of Cummings after his indiscretion.OldKingCole said:
Do we expect our PM to ACTUALLY turn up to PMQ's tomorrow? I reasonably confidently expect him to be sick, or Carrie to be taken very ill, or one of the children to be ill, and need him at their bedside.Nemtynakht said:
Their key weaknesses being that the first I heard about VAT on energy being a key brexit argument is now almost 6 years later. It might not have super cut through.GIN1138 said:
Might be a lousy idea to address the problem but it's good politics.Richard_Nabavi said:Oh dear, just when you think Labour might be edging towards becoming a credible government-in-waiting again, they blow all that credibility on this utterly daft idea of cutting VAT on fuel - just about the most inefficient measure anyone could come up with to address the problem.
1. It hoists Boris and the Tory Brexiteers by their own putard after it was one of the key pledges they made as to why Brexit was a good idea.
2. It signals to the Red Wall that Labour in general and Starmer in particular have fundamentally accepted Brexit.
3. VAT on fuel has always been a controversial and hated tax from the day it was announced in Lamont's 1993 budget and very much coincided with John Major's government imploding... Not the only reason of course but the optics of that particular tax always looked dreadful after the recession and Major's ERM fiasco.
Secondly the energy Minster who brought in huge green taxes on fuel is now shadow minister. I imagine the Tory researchers are digging out all the quotes to throw back at him
Personally I feel the Starmer needs to call Boris a liar at PMQs. I would like it in the form of the dead parrot sketch. A list of euphemisms that he could use to show that he could stay within the bounds of parliamentary language. Then he should say the British people want a straight answer - why is Boris lying?
Once ejected he should have a clear afternoon to trawl around the studios saying that the Pm and his cronies break serious rules that most people followed - why should be follow insignificant rules and not call it like it is.
He'd be 10 points up the weekend.0 -
You'll be expelled from the PB Tories and Tory Party by Lord High Executioner HYUFD.JohnO said:FWIW - As the self-proclaimed doyen of the pb Tories (longest serving poster anyway), I now think that Johnson should go.
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Do you now think he should go, or think he should go now?JohnO said:
Yes, I voted Hunt for leader in 2019, so not a fan. But, overall, I don’t rate the performance of his Government anything like as poorly as those, like yourself, who have left the party. I have now changed my mind.Richard_Nabavi said:
Now???JohnO said:FWIW - As the self-proclaimed doyen of the pb Tories (longest serving poster anyway), I now think that Johnson should go.
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The DC has to agree to take it over and employ the village groundsmen, toilet cleaners, upkeep the cemetery and war memorial and playground etc.ClippP said:
The district council, obviously. Or nobody. Depending on the function.HYUFD said:
So who manages the toilets, village hall, war memorial, allotments, organises village events, maintains the village green etc? Not to mention the input parish councils have into local planningkjh said:
No it was abolished altogether. The village had a referendum and dumped it.HYUFD said:
Presumably it just renamed it a town council? Herrington has neither and is part of the metropolitan city of Sunderlandkjh said:
My Dad's village successful voted to abolish its Parish Council. What is it now? Do we have to think of a new name for it?HYUFD said:
Herrington is part of the Metropolitan city of Sunderland, not really a village.Andy_Cooke said:
Note that only one of the names he cites has to be a village for your statement "There are no villages in any Sunderland seat" to be wrong.HYUFD said:
Houghton is a town not a villageRochdalePioneers said:
Laughable. There are no villages in "Houghton and Sunderland South"? I used to live there. Houghton-le-Spring is a village. Hetton-le-Hole. Shiney Row. Newbottle. New Herrington. And how do you know the farmers don't vote Tory?HYUFD said:
There are no villages in any Sunderland seateek said:
There are a lot, just not enough to give the Tories a seat in 2019 (or ever given that 2019 will be the high watermark for the Tory party now Boris has destroyed it).HYUFD said:
They are significantly different to many of them, plenty of rural Tory voters in Sedgefield or North Durham for instance, no rural Tory voters in SunderlandGallowgate said:
Yeah, but the Tories in Sunderland are not much different to the Tories in Blyth and North Durham and Sedgefield and Redcar, etc.HYUFD said:
Every MP in Sunderland is already LabourRochdalePioneers said:
HYUFD will be along to explain how the Chair of Sunderland Conservatives is actually not a True Tory and actually the red wall will only vote for Boris and actually where is Sunderland anyway actually.dixiedean said:Chair of Sunderland Conservatives says Boris has to go. For this "atrocity".
You don't have talk some fact-free bollocks. Have you ever stopped and thought "I don't actually know anything at all about this, best to keep my comments specific"?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Houghton-le-Spring
Shiney Row, Newbottle, and New Herrington seem to be villages indeed.
Therefore the statement "There are no villages in any Sunderland seat" is wrong.
It does not have its own parish council for starters
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Welcome to the club.JohnO said:
Yes, I voted Hunt for leader in 2019, so not a fan. But, overall, I don’t rate the performance of his Government anything like as poorly as those, like yourself, who have left the party. I have now changed my mind.Richard_Nabavi said:
Now???JohnO said:FWIW - As the self-proclaimed doyen of the pb Tories (longest serving poster anyway), I now think that Johnson should go.
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I Like Boris but am not currently a fan club member.FrancisUrquhart said:PB Boris Fan Club Membership Numbers - 1
If I join are there any perks??0 -
No idea, never been a member, you will have to ask HYUFD. He is chairman, treasurer, secretary and party planner of the club.bigjohnowls said:
I Like Boris but am not currently a fan club member.FrancisUrquhart said:PB Boris Fan Club Membership Numbers - 1
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Apparently they hold some great parties...bigjohnowls said:
I Like Boris but am not currently a fan club member.FrancisUrquhart said:PB Boris Fan Club Membership Numbers - 1
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I once had a loft conversion and the parish objected to the dormer being at the front and suggested it goes to the back. Now the dormer was to accommodate the stairs so there was only one place they could go anyway so it was a stupid suggestion, but I didn't make a fuss and happily obliged because the bloody dormer was already planned for the back anyway. Pillocks.eek said:
What input in planning - we've been here before but the parish council is little different to Mr Smith a neighbour writing an objection (and Mr Smith's objection is usually saner with usable reasons within it).HYUFD said:
So who manages the toilets, village hall, war memorial, allotments, organises village events, maintains the village green etc? Not to mention the input parish councils have into local planningkjh said:
No it was abolished altogether. The village had a referendum and dumped it.HYUFD said:
Presumably it just renamed it a town council? Herrington has neither and is part of the metropolitan city of Sunderlandkjh said:
My Dad's village successful voted to abolish its Parish Council. What is it now? Do we have to think of a new name for it?HYUFD said:
Herrington is part of the Metropolitan city of Sunderland, not really a village.Andy_Cooke said:
Note that only one of the names he cites has to be a village for your statement "There are no villages in any Sunderland seat" to be wrong.HYUFD said:
Houghton is a town not a villageRochdalePioneers said:
Laughable. There are no villages in "Houghton and Sunderland South"? I used to live there. Houghton-le-Spring is a village. Hetton-le-Hole. Shiney Row. Newbottle. New Herrington. And how do you know the farmers don't vote Tory?HYUFD said:
There are no villages in any Sunderland seateek said:
There are a lot, just not enough to give the Tories a seat in 2019 (or ever given that 2019 will be the high watermark for the Tory party now Boris has destroyed it).HYUFD said:
They are significantly different to many of them, plenty of rural Tory voters in Sedgefield or North Durham for instance, no rural Tory voters in SunderlandGallowgate said:
Yeah, but the Tories in Sunderland are not much different to the Tories in Blyth and North Durham and Sedgefield and Redcar, etc.HYUFD said:
Every MP in Sunderland is already LabourRochdalePioneers said:
HYUFD will be along to explain how the Chair of Sunderland Conservatives is actually not a True Tory and actually the red wall will only vote for Boris and actually where is Sunderland anyway actually.dixiedean said:Chair of Sunderland Conservatives says Boris has to go. For this "atrocity".
You don't have talk some fact-free bollocks. Have you ever stopped and thought "I don't actually know anything at all about this, best to keep my comments specific"?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Houghton-le-Spring
Shiney Row, Newbottle, and New Herrington seem to be villages indeed.
Therefore the statement "There are no villages in any Sunderland seat" is wrong.
It does not have its own parish council for starters0 -
Are you sure about that? The Ikaran war machines destroyed each other, in the end - since they weren't pure Ikaran.FrancisUrquhart said:PB Boris Fan Club Membership Numbers - 1
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Date of Death:FrancisUrquhart said:Headline figures - 121k cases, 379 deaths*.
Admission and mechanical beds in England still flat.
* this big number again looks like its lots of backfilling. As by date of death is in the range 130-170 for a week.
4 Jan - 179
5 Jan - 178
6 Jan - 185
And those numbers will have further to rise as more data comes in.
Deaths by date of death clearly now at their highest since beginning of March.0 -
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There is not much further Byfleet can decline with or without a parish council.HYUFD said:
The DC has to agree to take it over and employ the village groundsmen, toilet cleaners, upkeep the cemetery and war memorial and playground etc.ClippP said:
The district council, obviously. Or nobody. Depending on the function.HYUFD said:
So who manages the toilets, village hall, war memorial, allotments, organises village events, maintains the village green etc? Not to mention the input parish councils have into local planningkjh said:
No it was abolished altogether. The village had a referendum and dumped it.HYUFD said:
Presumably it just renamed it a town council? Herrington has neither and is part of the metropolitan city of Sunderlandkjh said:
My Dad's village successful voted to abolish its Parish Council. What is it now? Do we have to think of a new name for it?HYUFD said:
Herrington is part of the Metropolitan city of Sunderland, not really a village.Andy_Cooke said:
Note that only one of the names he cites has to be a village for your statement "There are no villages in any Sunderland seat" to be wrong.HYUFD said:
Houghton is a town not a villageRochdalePioneers said:
Laughable. There are no villages in "Houghton and Sunderland South"? I used to live there. Houghton-le-Spring is a village. Hetton-le-Hole. Shiney Row. Newbottle. New Herrington. And how do you know the farmers don't vote Tory?HYUFD said:
There are no villages in any Sunderland seateek said:
There are a lot, just not enough to give the Tories a seat in 2019 (or ever given that 2019 will be the high watermark for the Tory party now Boris has destroyed it).HYUFD said:
They are significantly different to many of them, plenty of rural Tory voters in Sedgefield or North Durham for instance, no rural Tory voters in SunderlandGallowgate said:
Yeah, but the Tories in Sunderland are not much different to the Tories in Blyth and North Durham and Sedgefield and Redcar, etc.HYUFD said:
Every MP in Sunderland is already LabourRochdalePioneers said:
HYUFD will be along to explain how the Chair of Sunderland Conservatives is actually not a True Tory and actually the red wall will only vote for Boris and actually where is Sunderland anyway actually.dixiedean said:Chair of Sunderland Conservatives says Boris has to go. For this "atrocity".
You don't have talk some fact-free bollocks. Have you ever stopped and thought "I don't actually know anything at all about this, best to keep my comments specific"?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Houghton-le-Spring
Shiney Row, Newbottle, and New Herrington seem to be villages indeed.
Therefore the statement "There are no villages in any Sunderland seat" is wrong.
It does not have its own parish council for starters
Not having a parish council means a village would soon decline rapidly unless it has an active group of volunteers with the time to run and maintain everything1 -
Sorry I didn't make it clear, I was talking about England...MikeL said:
Date of Death:FrancisUrquhart said:Headline figures - 121k cases, 379 deaths*.
Admission and mechanical beds in England still flat.
* this big number again looks like its lots of backfilling. As by date of death is in the range 130-170 for a week.
4 Jan - 179
5 Jan - 178
6 Jan - 185
And those numbers will have further to rise as more data comes in.
Deaths by date of death clearly now at their highest since beginning of March.
07-01-2022 148
06-01-2022 165
05-01-2022 164
04-01-2022 148
03-01-2022 139
02-01-2022 123
01-01-2022 145
31-12-2021 125
Clearly they will go higher, but we haven't seen it go off the charts.
The lower bound of peak deaths of the modellers stick to Plan B scenario was 600 I believe, I don't think we are going to get anywhere near that.0 -
Highlights the pickle the Conservatives are in.dixiedean said:
Mind you. Final question.dixiedean said:This Chairman of the Sunderland Tories is putting in a shift going studs up on all feeble excuses.
Btw. The poshest Mackem I've ever heard.
"Who wins the Tories their next 80 seat majority?"
"Penny Mordaunt."
Thought experiment- suppose BoJo were to announce his resignation tonight, leaving Omicron, Cost of Living, Tax rises, glorious post-Brexit future in the inbox.
No time for a novice. Stretching the definition of "sufficiently experienced to hit the ground running" a bit, you have:
Sunak
Truss
Raab
Hunt
Javid
er...
Gove
um...
May
... that's about it, isn't it?
Suggesting junior ministers or backbench campaigners is self-indulgent frivolity.
Realistically, it has to be Sunak or Truss, doesn't it? And that fight could pay off the national debt if you put it on Pay Per View.
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Do you ?Richard_Nabavi said:You have to feel sorry for Michael Ellis QC. At least Geoffrey Cox QC got paid shedloads of money for acting on behalf of a government accused of misgovernance.
After all, he volunteered for the gig.0 -
Dr Samantha Haley-Horsfall 💙
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May 2020. 9 weeks away from home. Trying to save lives. And they partied??I baked in these suits. I wept. I was isolated. We rationed PPE. We watched people die. I developed PTSD. We couldn’t even get a second phone line for the ward. AND THEY PARTIED???? #DowningStreetParties0 -
That good?Scott_xP said:MP doesn’t know whether she attended Downing St Party https://twitter.com/RosieisaHolt/status/1480932023929823244/video/1
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The only Tory left in theTheScreamingEagles said:
You'll be expelled from the PB Tories and Tory Party by Lord High Executioner HYUFD.JohnO said:FWIW - As the self-proclaimed doyen of the pb Tories (longest serving poster anyway), I now think that Johnson should go.
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The fact you have Rabb (What's Dover?) as number 3 tells you the scale of the problem. The Tories have very few options to turn to.Stuartinromford said:
Highlights the pickle the Conservatives are in.dixiedean said:
Mind you. Final question.dixiedean said:This Chairman of the Sunderland Tories is putting in a shift going studs up on all feeble excuses.
Btw. The poshest Mackem I've ever heard.
"Who wins the Tories their next 80 seat majority?"
"Penny Mordaunt."
Thought experiment- suppose BoJo were to announce his resignation tonight, leaving Omicron, Cost of Living, Tax rises, glorious post-Brexit future in the inbox.
No time for a novice. Stretching the definition of "sufficiently experienced to hit the ground running" a bit, you have:
Sunak
Truss
Raab
Hunt
Javid
er...
Gove
um...
May
... that's about it, isn't it?
Suggesting junior ministers or backbench campaigners is self-indulgent frivolity.
Realistically, it has to be Sunak or Truss, doesn't it? And that fight could pay off the national debt if you put it on Pay Per View.1 -
Hmmm.
Novak Djoković claims to have been tested positiv for Covid on the 16th of December.
— Max Hoppenstedt (@m_hoppenstedt) January 11, 2022
However the timestamp for the digital version of his positiv test indicates the result may actually be from the 26th of December.
Our reporting @derspiegel in german https://t.co/NnvY0vc09G0 -
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Have to say, the drop off in Wales stretches credibility quite a bit. May have to rely on the ONS reports alone now for what is happening there.0
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Sleazy busted Omicron on the slide I see1
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A £203m PPE contract for a company you haven't yet created.bigjohnowls said:
I Like Boris but am not currently a fan club member.FrancisUrquhart said:PB Boris Fan Club Membership Numbers - 1
If I join are there any perks??
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