Starmer’s successor looks set to be one of these three – politicalbetting.com
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Just sends more business to AmazonScott_xP said:Officials fear the dispute could spiral into trade war if checks are stepped up at Calais
One diplomat: “I’m worried that London may not be taking seriously the French threat to choke the flow of freight and let empty shelves put pressure on the British”
https://www.ft.com/content/0409d72b-ed29-4076-ac6a-2080b4b59e72
I have not had a delay beyond their delivery dates in the years I have used them
In fact talking to family and friends it looks like a lot more Christmas buying is going to Amazon and online and actually starting now to get Christmas done asap0 -
Yes, and so far the EU doesn't seem to have been that interested in backing France up.DecrepiterJohnL said:
Not really. It seems like an obvious plea from France for the bloc to weigh in behind the French.Razedabode said:Isn’t that letter from the French PM noting
“ the bloc must show 'total determination', and show 'there is more damage to leaving the Union than remaining'
Just more revealing on the insecurities of the bloc?
But this isn't really about French fishing boats. This Wag The Dog shit, where Macron is seeking to make political capital out of an argument with the old enemy. He's hoping that he can bring the EU in, and declare a famous victory (leading to his reelection next year).
It's pretty unedifying behaviour.2 -
I agree..JBriskin3 said:
Whatever - I just think it's a bit silly of a religion to believe that there is such a thing as God's represenstative on earth - But then I am Church of Scotlandsquareroot2 said:
Most attended.. not necessarily believed.eg. French Churches aiui are usually empty save for weddings and baptisms and funerals.JBriskin3 said:
Catholicism is the most believed religion in the world.DavidL said:
If I met anyone who genuinely believed he was God’s representative on earth I think I would probably laugh. I mean, being polite, I would try not to, but seriously.JBriskin3 said:
Nope.SeaShantyIrish2 said:
Joe Biden is a Catholic, but he is also President of the United States.JBriskin3 said:
Yes - I wasn't being clear enough. Biden seems to think a simple hand shake is required when he meets who he thinks is God's representative on earth.Sunil_Prasannan said:
What about all the other faiths???JBriskin3 said:Palace Intrigue getting a lot of PB Airspace tonight; When we all know that Prince Charles will be King Something Else in a few years.
I'm more intrigued by Biden today.
If I was meeting God's representative on earth - I think a kneel more than a simple handshake might be more appropriate??
And if you are expecting a sitting POTUS to kiss ANYONE's ring (except for #45 with his mentor Putin, he certainly kissed his "ring" often enough) you are nuttier than even I think you are.
If I met who I thought to be was God's representative on earth I would kneel.
My vicar, who happens to be a lady, is a splendid person who represents what a vicar should be/do. She, nor the person at Canterbury is God's representative on earth.0 -
Can you name a time when Macron's behaviour has been edifying?rcs1000 said:
Yes, and so far the EU doesn't seem to have been that interested in backing France up.DecrepiterJohnL said:
Not really. It seems like an obvious plea from France for the bloc to weigh in behind the French.Razedabode said:Isn’t that letter from the French PM noting
“ the bloc must show 'total determination', and show 'there is more damage to leaving the Union than remaining'
Just more revealing on the insecurities of the bloc?
But this isn't really about French fishing boats. This Wag The Dog shit, where Macron is seeking to make political capital out of an argument with the old enemy. He's hoping that he can bring the EU in, and declare a famous victory (leading to his reelection next year).
It's pretty unedifying behaviour.
He won because he was less awful than Le Pen.
Given his government's recent rhetoric on Islam, we can't even say that for certain any more.0 -
I think (2) is much more at the front of their thoughts than (1).ydoethur said:
I think the key differences are (1) the EU still think we will come crawling back if beaten up enough, which not even the most rabid Unionist would believe of Scotland and (2) they fear other countries might follow our example if we seem to be going OK, which again wouldn't really apply to Wales (the only other part of the UK with any mechanism to secede).kle4 said:
I fear that may be wishful thinking. I'd hope it was the case, but that our leaders would take a more professional and mature approach than emotional, but I think the latter is more likely, and there'd be a market for it on both sides.ydoethur said:
Whatever the faults of the current lot in Westminster, I simply cannot imagine them behaving like this towards an independent Scotland should that come to pass.Razedabode said:Isn’t that letter from the French PM noting
“ the bloc must show 'total determination', and show 'there is more damage to leaving the Union than remaining'
Just more revealing on the insecurities of the bloc?
So I don't think we'd see in practice any talk of punishment. We would still have to live together on the same island and ultimately Conservatives are there, in their own conceit anyway, to do whatever works at the time.0 -
They won't be taking it seriously because it would be politically helpful if the French do that! A technical dispute no one but wonks cares about with the French action thus seeming disproportionate.Scott_xP said:Officials fear the dispute could spiral into trade war if checks are stepped up at Calais
One diplomat: “I’m worried that London may not be taking seriously the French threat to choke the flow of freight and let empty shelves put pressure on the British”
https://www.ft.com/content/0409d72b-ed29-4076-ac6a-2080b4b59e72
Additionally, if it causes empty shelves, and people associate that with French punitive actions, it probably means Boris would get away with other Brexit related problems not the fault of the French as people associate such problem with the perfidious Macron.
All in all, useful for both of them - I'd not be surprised if they are good mates.1 -
Just watched the Ashley Banjo: Britain in Black and White ITV programme - very interesting, worth viewing imo. (ITV Hub)
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A Guardian analysis points out that Macron had his best result, last time, in Brittany. He needs the fishing vote. And the hard right - MLP, Zemmour, even Barnier Redux - is on his casercs1000 said:
Yes, and so far the EU doesn't seem to have been that interested in backing France up.DecrepiterJohnL said:
Not really. It seems like an obvious plea from France for the bloc to weigh in behind the French.Razedabode said:Isn’t that letter from the French PM noting
“ the bloc must show 'total determination', and show 'there is more damage to leaving the Union than remaining'
Just more revealing on the insecurities of the bloc?
But this isn't really about French fishing boats. This Wag The Dog shit, where Macron is seeking to make political capital out of an argument with the old enemy. He's hoping that he can bring the EU in, and declare a famous victory (leading to his reelection next year).
It's pretty unedifying behaviour.
This has all the right ingredients to get quite spicy. Of course it assists Boris, as well. He can then blame any Brexit glitches on the dastardly Frogs, for the next year or so0 -
It's worked in this country for years. No reason it shouldn't work there,rcs1000 said:
Yes, and so far the EU doesn't seem to have been that interested in backing France up.DecrepiterJohnL said:
Not really. It seems like an obvious plea from France for the bloc to weigh in behind the French.Razedabode said:Isn’t that letter from the French PM noting
“ the bloc must show 'total determination', and show 'there is more damage to leaving the Union than remaining'
Just more revealing on the insecurities of the bloc?
But this isn't really about French fishing boats. This Wag The Dog shit, where Macron is seeking to make political capital out of an argument with the old enemy. He's hoping that he can bring the EU in, and declare a famous victory (leading to his reelection next year).
It's pretty unedifying behaviour.
In fact Macron would be a fool not to try.0 -
And showed Jim Davidson up massively. What a tool.Benpointer said:Just watched the Ashley Banjo: Britain in Black and White ITV programme - very interesting, worth viewing imo. (ITV Hub)
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It's a tactic politicians will always make use of. But recognising it as such it means that more genuine problems with Brexit matters will get lost as Macronian/Borisian types play very obvious games.dixiedean said:
It's worked in this country for years. No reason it shouldn't work there,rcs1000 said:
Yes, and so far the EU doesn't seem to have been that interested in backing France up.DecrepiterJohnL said:
Not really. It seems like an obvious plea from France for the bloc to weigh in behind the French.Razedabode said:Isn’t that letter from the French PM noting
“ the bloc must show 'total determination', and show 'there is more damage to leaving the Union than remaining'
Just more revealing on the insecurities of the bloc?
But this isn't really about French fishing boats. This Wag The Dog shit, where Macron is seeking to make political capital out of an argument with the old enemy. He's hoping that he can bring the EU in, and declare a famous victory (leading to his reelection next year).
It's pretty unedifying behaviour.
In fact Macron would be a fool not to try.0 -
I hope not.TheScreamingEagles said:Queen advised to rest for at least the next fortnight by the doctors.
London Bridge is going to fall down soon isn't it?
I wonder whether she's had some sort of minor stroke. Might explain the advice about giving up drinking.0 -
Yes. It's a tactic. The faux outrage from those who used similar manoeuvres and who cheered them on is unedifying.kle4 said:
It's a tactic politicians will always make use of. But recognising it as such it means that more genuine problems with Brexit matters will get lost as Macronian/Borisian types play very obvious games.dixiedean said:
It's worked in this country for years. No reason it shouldn't work there,rcs1000 said:
Yes, and so far the EU doesn't seem to have been that interested in backing France up.DecrepiterJohnL said:
Not really. It seems like an obvious plea from France for the bloc to weigh in behind the French.Razedabode said:Isn’t that letter from the French PM noting
“ the bloc must show 'total determination', and show 'there is more damage to leaving the Union than remaining'
Just more revealing on the insecurities of the bloc?
But this isn't really about French fishing boats. This Wag The Dog shit, where Macron is seeking to make political capital out of an argument with the old enemy. He's hoping that he can bring the EU in, and declare a famous victory (leading to his reelection next year).
It's pretty unedifying behaviour.
In fact Macron would be a fool not to try.1 -
It works both ways. Those who expressed outrage at similar manoeuvres in the opposite direction in the past should also be expressing outrage at it in the other direction, or else prove the previous outrage as faux.dixiedean said:
Yes. It's a tactic. The faux outrage from those who used similar manoeuvres and who cheered them on is unedifying.kle4 said:
It's a tactic politicians will always make use of. But recognising it as such it means that more genuine problems with Brexit matters will get lost as Macronian/Borisian types play very obvious games.dixiedean said:
It's worked in this country for years. No reason it shouldn't work there,rcs1000 said:
Yes, and so far the EU doesn't seem to have been that interested in backing France up.DecrepiterJohnL said:
Not really. It seems like an obvious plea from France for the bloc to weigh in behind the French.Razedabode said:Isn’t that letter from the French PM noting
“ the bloc must show 'total determination', and show 'there is more damage to leaving the Union than remaining'
Just more revealing on the insecurities of the bloc?
But this isn't really about French fishing boats. This Wag The Dog shit, where Macron is seeking to make political capital out of an argument with the old enemy. He's hoping that he can bring the EU in, and declare a famous victory (leading to his reelection next year).
It's pretty unedifying behaviour.
In fact Macron would be a fool not to try.
Either such behaviour is an outrage whoever does it, or it is just unedifying political tactics. I'd not be confident in historic consistency from many quarters.0 -
Ok reflection that seems an odd snippet to have leaked. Wtf business is it of ours?Cyclefree said:
I hope not.TheScreamingEagles said:Queen advised to rest for at least the next fortnight by the doctors.
London Bridge is going to fall down soon isn't it?
I wonder whether she's had some sort of minor stroke. Might explain the advice about giving up drinking.1 -
But will it necessarily play out well for Macron? It's doubtful he'll be able to turn it into an EU v UK matter unless the UK side has breached some agreement. But then does he back down quickly or escalate to non-fishing areas?0
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Having made it to 95 in the first place seems a bit mean to take away the evening gin now.IshmaelZ said:
Ok reflection that seems an odd snippet to have leaked. Wtf business is it of ours?Cyclefree said:
I hope not.TheScreamingEagles said:Queen advised to rest for at least the next fortnight by the doctors.
London Bridge is going to fall down soon isn't it?
I wonder whether she's had some sort of minor stroke. Might explain the advice about giving up drinking.4 -
Whether it plays out well may be immaterial depending on how well he thinks he is doing politically generally, and what options he thinks are open to him to attempt a distraction.geoffw said:But will it necessarily play out well for Macron? It's doubtful he'll be able to turn it into an EU v UK matter unless the UK side has breached some agreement. But then does he back down quickly or escalate to non-fishing areas?
I expect him to be re-elected, but he does seem nervy.0 -
But that is what I mean, of course!kle4 said:
Whether it plays out well may be immaterial depending on how well he thinks he is doing politically generally, and what options he thinks are open to him to attempt a distraction.geoffw said:But will it necessarily play out well for Macron? It's doubtful he'll be able to turn it into an EU v UK matter unless the UK side has breached some agreement. But then does he back down quickly or escalate to non-fishing areas?
I expect him to be re-elected, but he does seem nervy.
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If they hope she will make some state banquets in the next years, it might be something worth getting out in the open.IshmaelZ said:
Ok reflection that seems an odd snippet to have leaked. Wtf business is it of ours?Cyclefree said:
I hope not.TheScreamingEagles said:Queen advised to rest for at least the next fortnight by the doctors.
London Bridge is going to fall down soon isn't it?
I wonder whether she's had some sort of minor stroke. Might explain the advice about giving up drinking.0 -
My thought entirely, and it's not like anyone can tell whether it's gin or mineral waterkle4 said:
Having made it to 95 in the first place seems a bit mean to take away the evening gin now.IshmaelZ said:
Ok reflection that seems an odd snippet to have leaked. Wtf business is it of ours?Cyclefree said:
I hope not.TheScreamingEagles said:Queen advised to rest for at least the next fortnight by the doctors.
London Bridge is going to fall down soon isn't it?
I wonder whether she's had some sort of minor stroke. Might explain the advice about giving up drinking.0 -
There was a certain European politician who thought that and it wasn't true.IshmaelZ said:
My thought entirely, and it's not like anyone can tell whether it's gin or mineral waterkle4 said:
Having made it to 95 in the first place seems a bit mean to take away the evening gin now.IshmaelZ said:
Ok reflection that seems an odd snippet to have leaked. Wtf business is it of ours?Cyclefree said:
I hope not.TheScreamingEagles said:Queen advised to rest for at least the next fortnight by the doctors.
London Bridge is going to fall down soon isn't it?
I wonder whether she's had some sort of minor stroke. Might explain the advice about giving up drinking.0 -
My mother has just reached 93 and is in the last period of her life according to the medics. Alcohol is the last thing on her mind.IshmaelZ said:
My thought entirely, and it's not like anyone can tell whether it's gin or mineral waterkle4 said:
Having made it to 95 in the first place seems a bit mean to take away the evening gin now.IshmaelZ said:
Ok reflection that seems an odd snippet to have leaked. Wtf business is it of ours?Cyclefree said:
I hope not.TheScreamingEagles said:Queen advised to rest for at least the next fortnight by the doctors.
London Bridge is going to fall down soon isn't it?
I wonder whether she's had some sort of minor stroke. Might explain the advice about giving up drinking.0 -
Meta
translates assounds like "dead" in Hebrew apparently.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-590900670 -
We can all row in behind the notion that HM the Q outlives Nicholas Witchell....Foss said:
It's still possible she could outlive him.squareroot2 said:
Anything but Nicolas Witchell. Charles is not a fan....DecrepiterJohnL said:
The London Bridge plans might have been revised after complaints about DofE RIP overkill.kle4 said:
The plans are known in detail.state_go_away said:What will be the effect on the practical lives of Brits if the Queen does die? I knwo there will be official mourning but what does that mean beside a lot of Nicolas Witchell and everyone looking really sad on TV ? Will shops shut ,cinemas close etc?
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/mar/16/what-happens-when-queen-elizabeth-dies-london-bridge
But at its most basic, even if you are a royalist, avoid television for two weeks. And on the day probably several things will close early, but most not I suspect. So practical effect looks like not that much.
And I don't think there's an 'If' about it.4 -
You know what, I've got this tiny feeling IT CAME FROM THE LAB
"3 takeaways from the recently released EcoHealth grant proposals & reports:
1. By March 2018, they had a roadmap for detecting & inserting novel rare (furin) cleavage sites into novel low risk SARS-like viruses.
2. By 2019, chimeric human pathogen MERS-CoV research was ongoing.
3. Several groups of people were aware of either one or both of the points above and decided not to say anything about it for close to 2 years since SARS2 emerged in Wuhan."
https://twitter.com/Ayjchan/status/1454083865556000775?s=200 -
Sorry to hear that @squareroot2 - best wishes to her and to you.squareroot2 said:
My mother has just reached 93 and is in the last period of her life according to the medics. Alcohol is the last thing on her mind.IshmaelZ said:
My thought entirely, and it's not like anyone can tell whether it's gin or mineral waterkle4 said:
Having made it to 95 in the first place seems a bit mean to take away the evening gin now.IshmaelZ said:
Ok reflection that seems an odd snippet to have leaked. Wtf business is it of ours?Cyclefree said:
I hope not.TheScreamingEagles said:Queen advised to rest for at least the next fortnight by the doctors.
London Bridge is going to fall down soon isn't it?
I wonder whether she's had some sort of minor stroke. Might explain the advice about giving up drinking.
But regarding HMQ giving up drinking, I agree with @kle4 @IshmaelZ - why on earth was that piece of medical news released?0 -
I wonder how he's planning on dragging this out until the election date without getting embarrassed?geoffw said:But will it necessarily play out well for Macron? It's doubtful he'll be able to turn it into an EU v UK matter unless the UK side has breached some agreement. But then does he back down quickly or escalate to non-fishing areas?
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Tbh I stopped reading your post after mention of 'rare cleavage sites' in point 1.Leon said:You know what, I've got this tiny feeling IT CAME FROM THE LAB
"3 takeaways from the recently released EcoHealth grant proposals & reports:
1. By March 2018, they had a roadmap for detecting & inserting novel rare (furin) cleavage sites into novel low risk SARS-like viruses.
2. By 2019, chimeric human pathogen MERS-CoV research was ongoing.
3. Several groups of people were aware of either one or both of the points above and decided not to say anything about it for close to 2 years since SARS2 emerged in Wuhan."
https://twitter.com/Ayjchan/status/1454083865556000775?s=201 -
Sorry to hear it, but I don't have enough context to know what message to take from that.squareroot2 said:
My mother has just reached 93 and is in the last period of her life according to the medics. Alcohol is the last thing on her mind.IshmaelZ said:
My thought entirely, and it's not like anyone can tell whether it's gin or mineral waterkle4 said:
Having made it to 95 in the first place seems a bit mean to take away the evening gin now.IshmaelZ said:
Ok reflection that seems an odd snippet to have leaked. Wtf business is it of ours?Cyclefree said:
I hope not.TheScreamingEagles said:Queen advised to rest for at least the next fortnight by the doctors.
London Bridge is going to fall down soon isn't it?
I wonder whether she's had some sort of minor stroke. Might explain the advice about giving up drinking.0 -
Doesn't need to drag on continuously, just escalate and deescalate, to keep things bubbling for a nice juicy confrontation to cement the impression closer to it. Until then, a series of diplomatic chevauchée.Philip_Thompson said:
I wonder how he's planning on dragging this out until the election date without getting embarrassed?geoffw said:But will it necessarily play out well for Macron? It's doubtful he'll be able to turn it into an EU v UK matter unless the UK side has breached some agreement. But then does he back down quickly or escalate to non-fishing areas?
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Meh. I was right. I've said it came from the lab since about June of last year. I am vindicated, Ignore all you wantBenpointer said:
Tbh I stopped reading your post after mention of 'rare cleavage sites' in point 1.Leon said:You know what, I've got this tiny feeling IT CAME FROM THE LAB
"3 takeaways from the recently released EcoHealth grant proposals & reports:
1. By March 2018, they had a roadmap for detecting & inserting novel rare (furin) cleavage sites into novel low risk SARS-like viruses.
2. By 2019, chimeric human pathogen MERS-CoV research was ongoing.
3. Several groups of people were aware of either one or both of the points above and decided not to say anything about it for close to 2 years since SARS2 emerged in Wuhan."
https://twitter.com/Ayjchan/status/1454083865556000775?s=200 -
It's about winning, it's about creating an external enemy.Philip_Thompson said:
I wonder how he's planning on dragging this out until the election date without getting embarrassed?geoffw said:But will it necessarily play out well for Macron? It's doubtful he'll be able to turn it into an EU v UK matter unless the UK side has breached some agreement. But then does he back down quickly or escalate to non-fishing areas?
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Odd. I can't understand disliking Brenda, but if you do surely someone parasitic on her is even worse?Farooq said:
Not me. I like Witchell more than I like Brenda.MarqueeMark said:
We can all row in behind the notion that HM the Q outlives Nicholas Witchell....Foss said:
It's still possible she could outlive him.squareroot2 said:
Anything but Nicolas Witchell. Charles is not a fan....DecrepiterJohnL said:
The London Bridge plans might have been revised after complaints about DofE RIP overkill.kle4 said:
The plans are known in detail.state_go_away said:What will be the effect on the practical lives of Brits if the Queen does die? I knwo there will be official mourning but what does that mean beside a lot of Nicolas Witchell and everyone looking really sad on TV ? Will shops shut ,cinemas close etc?
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/mar/16/what-happens-when-queen-elizabeth-dies-london-bridge
But at its most basic, even if you are a royalist, avoid television for two weeks. And on the day probably several things will close early, but most not I suspect. So practical effect looks like not that much.
And I don't think there's an 'If' about it.0 -
Thoughts and kind wishes to all your familysquareroot2 said:
My mother has just reached 93 and is in the last period of her life according to the medics. Alcohol is the last thing on her mind.IshmaelZ said:
My thought entirely, and it's not like anyone can tell whether it's gin or mineral waterkle4 said:
Having made it to 95 in the first place seems a bit mean to take away the evening gin now.IshmaelZ said:
Ok reflection that seems an odd snippet to have leaked. Wtf business is it of ours?Cyclefree said:
I hope not.TheScreamingEagles said:Queen advised to rest for at least the next fortnight by the doctors.
London Bridge is going to fall down soon isn't it?
I wonder whether she's had some sort of minor stroke. Might explain the advice about giving up drinking.
These are difficult days to face0 -
Because what was released was “doctors have recommended and she has agreed”Benpointer said:
Sorry to hear that @squareroot2 - best wishes to her and to you.squareroot2 said:
My mother has just reached 93 and is in the last period of her life according to the medics. Alcohol is the last thing on her mind.IshmaelZ said:
My thought entirely, and it's not like anyone can tell whether it's gin or mineral waterkle4 said:
Having made it to 95 in the first place seems a bit mean to take away the evening gin now.IshmaelZ said:
Ok reflection that seems an odd snippet to have leaked. Wtf business is it of ours?Cyclefree said:
I hope not.TheScreamingEagles said:Queen advised to rest for at least the next fortnight by the doctors.
London Bridge is going to fall down soon isn't it?
I wonder whether she's had some sort of minor stroke. Might explain the advice about giving up drinking.
But regarding HMQ giving up drinking, I agree with @kle4 @IshmaelZ - why on earth was that piece of medical news released?
Ie she is awake and rational0 -
Lol - you may well be right, or you may not be.Leon said:
Meh. I was right. I've said it came from the lab since about June of last year. I am vindicated, Ignore all you wantBenpointer said:
Tbh I stopped reading your post after mention of 'rare cleavage sites' in point 1.Leon said:You know what, I've got this tiny feeling IT CAME FROM THE LAB
"3 takeaways from the recently released EcoHealth grant proposals & reports:
1. By March 2018, they had a roadmap for detecting & inserting novel rare (furin) cleavage sites into novel low risk SARS-like viruses.
2. By 2019, chimeric human pathogen MERS-CoV research was ongoing.
3. Several groups of people were aware of either one or both of the points above and decided not to say anything about it for close to 2 years since SARS2 emerged in Wuhan."
https://twitter.com/Ayjchan/status/1454083865556000775?s=20
I can't really get exercised by it. If you're right, what practical difference would it make? I already know China is a nasty, controlling, dangerous regime... and thers f*ck all I (or the rest of the world, it seems) can do about it.0 -
Yeah, but if he falls on his face over this, quite likely imo, his internal enemies will make hay.rcs1000 said:
It's about winning, it's about creating an external enemy.Philip_Thompson said:
I wonder how he's planning on dragging this out until the election date without getting embarrassed?geoffw said:But will it necessarily play out well for Macron? It's doubtful he'll be able to turn it into an EU v UK matter unless the UK side has breached some agreement. But then does he back down quickly or escalate to non-fishing areas?
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I wonder who leaked the letter to Von Der Leyen? The full quote makes it clear that Castex is worried about European public opinion needing to be shown that Brexit is damaging.
https://twitter.com/alexwickham/status/14541803201699307530 -
I find the concept of The Royal Correspondent a bit strange. I mean is Whitchell allowed to report on anything else? Or just royal stuff? And with the heir to thrown widely reported to despise him. Weird.Farooq said:
Not me. I like Witchell more than I like Brenda.MarqueeMark said:
We can all row in behind the notion that HM the Q outlives Nicholas Witchell....Foss said:
It's still possible she could outlive him.squareroot2 said:
Anything but Nicolas Witchell. Charles is not a fan....DecrepiterJohnL said:
The London Bridge plans might have been revised after complaints about DofE RIP overkill.kle4 said:
The plans are known in detail.state_go_away said:What will be the effect on the practical lives of Brits if the Queen does die? I knwo there will be official mourning but what does that mean beside a lot of Nicolas Witchell and everyone looking really sad on TV ? Will shops shut ,cinemas close etc?
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/mar/16/what-happens-when-queen-elizabeth-dies-london-bridge
But at its most basic, even if you are a royalist, avoid television for two weeks. And on the day probably several things will close early, but most not I suspect. So practical effect looks like not that much.
And I don't think there's an 'If' about it.1 -
May 27th 2024.TheValiant said:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_longest-reigning_monarchs
I'm a staunch supporter of the Queen (but not the Monarchy). She's got to get number one and displace the French.
That's 25 days after the next general election if the FTPA isn't repealed or circumvented.1 -
Also: you should care. Because even if the lab leak hypothesis is wrong - chances of that are now sub-5% - the stuff that is being revealed about NIH, EcoHealth, Chinese labs, is absolutely chilling (and no one outside EcoHealth/Beijing disputes it, even the ultra-Zoonati)Benpointer said:
Tbh I stopped reading your post after mention of 'rare cleavage sites' in point 1.Leon said:You know what, I've got this tiny feeling IT CAME FROM THE LAB
"3 takeaways from the recently released EcoHealth grant proposals & reports:
1. By March 2018, they had a roadmap for detecting & inserting novel rare (furin) cleavage sites into novel low risk SARS-like viruses.
2. By 2019, chimeric human pathogen MERS-CoV research was ongoing.
3. Several groups of people were aware of either one or both of the points above and decided not to say anything about it for close to 2 years since SARS2 emerged in Wuhan."
https://twitter.com/Ayjchan/status/1454083865556000775?s=20
EcoHealth proposed experiments so insane even Fauci said No Way (and he is very pro-Gain of Function, which is why he off-shored it to China after the ban in the USA)
Just one of these experiments was on another virus called Nipah.
https://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/2109/2109.09112.pdf
https://twitter.com/quay_dr/status/1450005470454824965?s=20
Covid-19 has a Case Fatality Ratio of about 1%.
Nipah has a CFR of maybe 75%
https://www.gavi.org/vaccineswork/next-pandemic/nipah-virus
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I am right, and as to one reason why my rightness is important, see my comment down below. These mad fuckers are doing science which could - literally - destroy humanityBenpointer said:
Lol - you may well be right, or you may not be.Leon said:
Meh. I was right. I've said it came from the lab since about June of last year. I am vindicated, Ignore all you wantBenpointer said:
Tbh I stopped reading your post after mention of 'rare cleavage sites' in point 1.Leon said:You know what, I've got this tiny feeling IT CAME FROM THE LAB
"3 takeaways from the recently released EcoHealth grant proposals & reports:
1. By March 2018, they had a roadmap for detecting & inserting novel rare (furin) cleavage sites into novel low risk SARS-like viruses.
2. By 2019, chimeric human pathogen MERS-CoV research was ongoing.
3. Several groups of people were aware of either one or both of the points above and decided not to say anything about it for close to 2 years since SARS2 emerged in Wuhan."
https://twitter.com/Ayjchan/status/1454083865556000775?s=20
I can't really get exercised by it. If you're right, what practical difference would it make? I already know China is a nasty, controlling, dangerous regime... and thers f*ck all I (or the rest of the world, it seems) can do about it.0 -
I never thought otherwise. I cannot see the need to put that message out in such a cryptic way; if it needed saying why not just say she is 'awake and rational'? Or even 'doctors have recommended she take a break for a few days and she has agreed'.Charles said:
Because what was released was “doctors have recommended and she has agreed”Benpointer said:
Sorry to hear that @squareroot2 - best wishes to her and to you.squareroot2 said:
My mother has just reached 93 and is in the last period of her life according to the medics. Alcohol is the last thing on her mind.IshmaelZ said:
My thought entirely, and it's not like anyone can tell whether it's gin or mineral waterkle4 said:
Having made it to 95 in the first place seems a bit mean to take away the evening gin now.IshmaelZ said:
Ok reflection that seems an odd snippet to have leaked. Wtf business is it of ours?Cyclefree said:
I hope not.TheScreamingEagles said:Queen advised to rest for at least the next fortnight by the doctors.
London Bridge is going to fall down soon isn't it?
I wonder whether she's had some sort of minor stroke. Might explain the advice about giving up drinking.
But regarding HMQ giving up drinking, I agree with @kle4 @IshmaelZ - why on earth was that piece of medical news released?
Ie she is awake and rational
Does formally giving up drink carry some kind of significance for aristos that passes we hoi poloi by?0 -
Cui Bono?williamglenn said:I wonder who leaked the letter to Von Der Leyen? The full quote makes it clear that Castex is worried about European public opinion needing to be shown that Brexit is damaging.
https://twitter.com/alexwickham/status/1454180320169930753
France gets to show it is standing up for the whole EU by taking on the UK, probably a positive stance, and gets to show at home it is not just meekly doing whatever the EU wants but being proactive in seeking to make it act.
(That said I'm only going on the reported snippets as I cannot read it myself)0 -
And, beyond worrying, I can do what exactly?Leon said:
I am right, and as to one reason why my rightness is important, see my comment down below. These mad fuckers are doing science which could - literally - destroy humanityBenpointer said:
Lol - you may well be right, or you may not be.Leon said:
Meh. I was right. I've said it came from the lab since about June of last year. I am vindicated, Ignore all you wantBenpointer said:
Tbh I stopped reading your post after mention of 'rare cleavage sites' in point 1.Leon said:You know what, I've got this tiny feeling IT CAME FROM THE LAB
"3 takeaways from the recently released EcoHealth grant proposals & reports:
1. By March 2018, they had a roadmap for detecting & inserting novel rare (furin) cleavage sites into novel low risk SARS-like viruses.
2. By 2019, chimeric human pathogen MERS-CoV research was ongoing.
3. Several groups of people were aware of either one or both of the points above and decided not to say anything about it for close to 2 years since SARS2 emerged in Wuhan."
https://twitter.com/Ayjchan/status/1454083865556000775?s=20
I can't really get exercised by it. If you're right, what practical difference would it make? I already know China is a nasty, controlling, dangerous regime... and thers f*ck all I (or the rest of the world, it seems) can do about it.0 -
Is that the over/under line?LostPassword said:
May 27th 2024.TheValiant said:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_longest-reigning_monarchs
I'm a staunch supporter of the Queen (but not the Monarchy). She's got to get number one and displace the French.
That's 25 days after the next general election if the FTPA isn't repealed or circumvented.
I would go under.0 -
It is enormously helpful to Boris, I'm not at all sure it helps France. My guess is some German or Dutchman (or Pole?) saw a chance to rein in Macron - and make him look a bit madwilliamglenn said:I wonder who leaked the letter to Von Der Leyen? The full quote makes it clear that Castex is worried about European public opinion needing to be shown that Brexit is damaging.
https://twitter.com/alexwickham/status/14541803201699307530 -
Yeah when it gets to the stage where they might accidentally pass the port to the right, lines have to be drawnBenpointer said:
I never thought otherwise. I cannot see the need to put that message out in such a cryptic way; if it needed saying why not just say she is 'awake and rational'? Or even 'doctors have recommended she take a break for a few days and she has agreed'.Charles said:
Because what was released was “doctors have recommended and she has agreed”Benpointer said:
Sorry to hear that @squareroot2 - best wishes to her and to you.squareroot2 said:
My mother has just reached 93 and is in the last period of her life according to the medics. Alcohol is the last thing on her mind.IshmaelZ said:
My thought entirely, and it's not like anyone can tell whether it's gin or mineral waterkle4 said:
Having made it to 95 in the first place seems a bit mean to take away the evening gin now.IshmaelZ said:
Ok reflection that seems an odd snippet to have leaked. Wtf business is it of ours?Cyclefree said:
I hope not.TheScreamingEagles said:Queen advised to rest for at least the next fortnight by the doctors.
London Bridge is going to fall down soon isn't it?
I wonder whether she's had some sort of minor stroke. Might explain the advice about giving up drinking.
But regarding HMQ giving up drinking, I agree with @kle4 @IshmaelZ - why on earth was that piece of medical news released?
Ie she is awake and rational
Does formally giving up drink carry some kind of significance for aristos that passes we hoi poloi by?0 -
We do still live in democracies - I hope. We are not helpless Chinese peons.Benpointer said:
And, beyond worrying, I can do what exactly?Leon said:
I am right, and as to one reason why my rightness is important, see my comment down below. These mad fuckers are doing science which could - literally - destroy humanityBenpointer said:
Lol - you may well be right, or you may not be.Leon said:
Meh. I was right. I've said it came from the lab since about June of last year. I am vindicated, Ignore all you wantBenpointer said:
Tbh I stopped reading your post after mention of 'rare cleavage sites' in point 1.Leon said:You know what, I've got this tiny feeling IT CAME FROM THE LAB
"3 takeaways from the recently released EcoHealth grant proposals & reports:
1. By March 2018, they had a roadmap for detecting & inserting novel rare (furin) cleavage sites into novel low risk SARS-like viruses.
2. By 2019, chimeric human pathogen MERS-CoV research was ongoing.
3. Several groups of people were aware of either one or both of the points above and decided not to say anything about it for close to 2 years since SARS2 emerged in Wuhan."
https://twitter.com/Ayjchan/status/1454083865556000775?s=20
I can't really get exercised by it. If you're right, what practical difference would it make? I already know China is a nasty, controlling, dangerous regime... and thers f*ck all I (or the rest of the world, it seems) can do about it.
Public opinion must see the guilty parties brought to justice, and scientists must be told Fuck This Bubonic Shit0 -
The ONS life expectancy calculator gives 98 for a 95 yo female. Which, considering her somewhat better than average living conditions and medical support, should just about do it.Foxy said:
Is that the over/under line?LostPassword said:
May 27th 2024.TheValiant said:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_longest-reigning_monarchs
I'm a staunch supporter of the Queen (but not the Monarchy). She's got to get number one and displace the French.
That's 25 days after the next general election if the FTPA isn't repealed or circumvented.
I would go under.0 -
Best wishes @squareroot2 and mother. Take care of both of you.0
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Get well soon, Liz.0
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Bubonic??Leon said:
We do still live in democracies - I hope. We are not helpless Chinese peons.Benpointer said:
And, beyond worrying, I can do what exactly?Leon said:
I am right, and as to one reason why my rightness is important, see my comment down below. These mad fuckers are doing science which could - literally - destroy humanityBenpointer said:
Lol - you may well be right, or you may not be.Leon said:
Meh. I was right. I've said it came from the lab since about June of last year. I am vindicated, Ignore all you wantBenpointer said:
Tbh I stopped reading your post after mention of 'rare cleavage sites' in point 1.Leon said:You know what, I've got this tiny feeling IT CAME FROM THE LAB
"3 takeaways from the recently released EcoHealth grant proposals & reports:
1. By March 2018, they had a roadmap for detecting & inserting novel rare (furin) cleavage sites into novel low risk SARS-like viruses.
2. By 2019, chimeric human pathogen MERS-CoV research was ongoing.
3. Several groups of people were aware of either one or both of the points above and decided not to say anything about it for close to 2 years since SARS2 emerged in Wuhan."
https://twitter.com/Ayjchan/status/1454083865556000775?s=20
I can't really get exercised by it. If you're right, what practical difference would it make? I already know China is a nasty, controlling, dangerous regime... and thers f*ck all I (or the rest of the world, it seems) can do about it.
Public opinion must see the guilty parties brought to justice, and scientists must be told Fuck This Bubonic Shit
I will write to my MP and ask him to request the Secretary of State for Justice to prosecute Xi Jinping.0 -
I don't see this as helpful for Macron or France. A leading EU country calling on the EU to "damage" a former member state, to prove the folly of leaving the EU?kle4 said:
Cui Bono?williamglenn said:I wonder who leaked the letter to Von Der Leyen? The full quote makes it clear that Castex is worried about European public opinion needing to be shown that Brexit is damaging.
https://twitter.com/alexwickham/status/1454180320169930753
France gets to show it is standing up for the whole EU by taking on the UK, probably a positive stance, and gets to show at home it is not just meekly doing whatever the EU wants but being proactive in seeking to make it act.
(That said I'm only going on the reported snippets as I cannot read it myself)
It sounds unhinged, even if it has its own cold logic. It was also a private letter. I reckon it was leaked to hurt French interests and/or specific politicians. It could just be some internal French rivalry: an enemy of Macron/Castex1 -
What a weird way to find out that even with a decade + of zero use, my French appears to be better than that of... 99% of the Brexit commmentariat in the UK.Leon said:I don't see this as helpful for Macron or France. A leading EU country calling on the EU to "damage" a former member state, to prove the folly of leaving the EU?
It sounds unhinged, even if it has its own cold logic. It was also a private letter. I reckon it was leaked to hurt French interests and/or specific politicians. It could just be some internal French rivalry: an enemy of Macron/Castex
That letter *doesn't* say that the EU should hurt the UK to show that Brexit was a bad idea. It really just doesn't.
https://twitter.com/sylviademars/status/14541911989823160380 -
Metaphors are either legitimate or not, you can't have it both ways.Farooq said:
It's not like he's parasitic on her... he doesn't take her money or time or precious bodily fluids.IshmaelZ said:
Odd. I can't understand disliking Brenda, but if you do surely someone parasitic on her is even worse?Farooq said:
Not me. I like Witchell more than I like Brenda.MarqueeMark said:
We can all row in behind the notion that HM the Q outlives Nicholas Witchell....Foss said:
It's still possible she could outlive him.squareroot2 said:
Anything but Nicolas Witchell. Charles is not a fan....DecrepiterJohnL said:
The London Bridge plans might have been revised after complaints about DofE RIP overkill.kle4 said:
The plans are known in detail.state_go_away said:What will be the effect on the practical lives of Brits if the Queen does die? I knwo there will be official mourning but what does that mean beside a lot of Nicolas Witchell and everyone looking really sad on TV ? Will shops shut ,cinemas close etc?
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/mar/16/what-happens-when-queen-elizabeth-dies-london-bridge
But at its most basic, even if you are a royalist, avoid television for two weeks. And on the day probably several things will close early, but most not I suspect. So practical effect looks like not that much.
And I don't think there's an 'If' about it.
But since you bring parasitism up..
You seem to have moved rather rapidly to the angry left since your very welcome arrival on the site. Just for the record, I shoot grouse, travel regularly to Ireland to h*nt the f*x, and used to thwack red deer on a regular basis. I don't say any of that to be contentious, just to undermine any consensus you think you are building0 -
Daszak is a British citizen, I believe. Certainly many of his colleagues are, and there were plenty of Brits amongst the signatories of the appalling, notorious Lancet letter. Large chunks of the British scientific establishment is implicated on what is now a clear cover-up of "lab leak" as a hypothesis in early 2020, preventing crucial scrutiny at the moment it was most neededBenpointer said:
Bubonic??Leon said:
We do still live in democracies - I hope. We are not helpless Chinese peons.Benpointer said:
And, beyond worrying, I can do what exactly?Leon said:
I am right, and as to one reason why my rightness is important, see my comment down below. These mad fuckers are doing science which could - literally - destroy humanityBenpointer said:
Lol - you may well be right, or you may not be.Leon said:
Meh. I was right. I've said it came from the lab since about June of last year. I am vindicated, Ignore all you wantBenpointer said:
Tbh I stopped reading your post after mention of 'rare cleavage sites' in point 1.Leon said:You know what, I've got this tiny feeling IT CAME FROM THE LAB
"3 takeaways from the recently released EcoHealth grant proposals & reports:
1. By March 2018, they had a roadmap for detecting & inserting novel rare (furin) cleavage sites into novel low risk SARS-like viruses.
2. By 2019, chimeric human pathogen MERS-CoV research was ongoing.
3. Several groups of people were aware of either one or both of the points above and decided not to say anything about it for close to 2 years since SARS2 emerged in Wuhan."
https://twitter.com/Ayjchan/status/1454083865556000775?s=20
I can't really get exercised by it. If you're right, what practical difference would it make? I already know China is a nasty, controlling, dangerous regime... and thers f*ck all I (or the rest of the world, it seems) can do about it.
Public opinion must see the guilty parties brought to justice, and scientists must be told Fuck This Bubonic Shit
I will write to my MP and ask him to request the Secretary of State for Justice to prosecute Xi Jinping.
This shit matters, and UK Science has some explaining to do1 -
A morbid thought but what happens if HMQ dies on the eve of, or during, the Cop26 conference?0
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No, it really doesScott_xP said:
What a weird way to find out that even with a decade + of zero use, my French appears to be better than that of... 99% of the Brexit commmentariat in the UK.Leon said:I don't see this as helpful for Macron or France. A leading EU country calling on the EU to "damage" a former member state, to prove the folly of leaving the EU?
It sounds unhinged, even if it has its own cold logic. It was also a private letter. I reckon it was leaked to hurt French interests and/or specific politicians. It could just be some internal French rivalry: an enemy of Macron/Castex
That letter *doesn't* say that the EU should hurt the UK to show that Brexit was a bad idea. It really just doesn't.
https://twitter.com/sylviademars/status/1454191198982316038
He says, end of page one, that the EU must *show* (montrer) that it is more harmful to leave than to stay (qu'il y a davantage de dommages à quitter l'Union qu'à y demeurer).1 -
It’s a huge personal sacrifice for the good of her people. Or somethingBenpointer said:
I never thought otherwise. I cannot see the need to put that message out in such a cryptic way; if it needed saying why not just say she is 'awake and rational'? Or even 'doctors have recommended she take a break for a few days and she has agreed'.Charles said:
Because what was released was “doctors have recommended and she has agreed”Benpointer said:
Sorry to hear that @squareroot2 - best wishes to her and to you.squareroot2 said:
My mother has just reached 93 and is in the last period of her life according to the medics. Alcohol is the last thing on her mind.IshmaelZ said:
My thought entirely, and it's not like anyone can tell whether it's gin or mineral waterkle4 said:
Having made it to 95 in the first place seems a bit mean to take away the evening gin now.IshmaelZ said:
Ok reflection that seems an odd snippet to have leaked. Wtf business is it of ours?Cyclefree said:
I hope not.TheScreamingEagles said:Queen advised to rest for at least the next fortnight by the doctors.
London Bridge is going to fall down soon isn't it?
I wonder whether she's had some sort of minor stroke. Might explain the advice about giving up drinking.
But regarding HMQ giving up drinking, I agree with @kle4 @IshmaelZ - why on earth was that piece of medical news released?
Ie she is awake and rational
Does formally giving up drink carry some kind of significance for aristos that passes we hoi poloi by?1 -
All good wishes. squareroot. for her and for you. One of the most difficult moments in life.squareroot2 said:
My mother has just reached 93 and is in the last period of her life according to the medics. Alcohol is the last thing on her mind.IshmaelZ said:
My thought entirely, and it's not like anyone can tell whether it's gin or mineral waterkle4 said:
Having made it to 95 in the first place seems a bit mean to take away the evening gin now.IshmaelZ said:
Ok reflection that seems an odd snippet to have leaked. Wtf business is it of ours?Cyclefree said:
I hope not.TheScreamingEagles said:Queen advised to rest for at least the next fortnight by the doctors.
London Bridge is going to fall down soon isn't it?
I wonder whether she's had some sort of minor stroke. Might explain the advice about giving up drinking.0 -
Speak for yourself.Leon said:
We do still live in democracies - I hope. We are not helpless Chinese peons.Benpointer said:
And, beyond worrying, I can do what exactly?Leon said:
I am right, and as to one reason why my rightness is important, see my comment down below. These mad fuckers are doing science which could - literally - destroy humanityBenpointer said:
Lol - you may well be right, or you may not be.Leon said:
Meh. I was right. I've said it came from the lab since about June of last year. I am vindicated, Ignore all you wantBenpointer said:
Tbh I stopped reading your post after mention of 'rare cleavage sites' in point 1.Leon said:You know what, I've got this tiny feeling IT CAME FROM THE LAB
"3 takeaways from the recently released EcoHealth grant proposals & reports:
1. By March 2018, they had a roadmap for detecting & inserting novel rare (furin) cleavage sites into novel low risk SARS-like viruses.
2. By 2019, chimeric human pathogen MERS-CoV research was ongoing.
3. Several groups of people were aware of either one or both of the points above and decided not to say anything about it for close to 2 years since SARS2 emerged in Wuhan."
https://twitter.com/Ayjchan/status/1454083865556000775?s=20
I can't really get exercised by it. If you're right, what practical difference would it make? I already know China is a nasty, controlling, dangerous regime... and thers f*ck all I (or the rest of the world, it seems) can do about it.
Public opinion must see the guilty parties brought to justice, and scientists must be told Fuck This Bubonic Shit1 -
"London Bridge is going to fall down soon isn't it?"NickPalmer said:
All good wishes. squareroot. for her and for you. One of the most difficult moments in life.squareroot2 said:
My mother has just reached 93 and is in the last period of her life according to the medics. Alcohol is the last thing on her mind.IshmaelZ said:
My thought entirely, and it's not like anyone can tell whether it's gin or mineral waterkle4 said:
Having made it to 95 in the first place seems a bit mean to take away the evening gin now.IshmaelZ said:
Ok reflection that seems an odd snippet to have leaked. Wtf business is it of ours?Cyclefree said:
I hope not.TheScreamingEagles said:Queen advised to rest for at least the next fortnight by the doctors.
London Bridge is going to fall down soon isn't it?
I wonder whether she's had some sort of minor stroke. Might explain the advice about giving up drinking.
Nope. Years yet I think. I hope.0 -
I don't think Macron is particularly popular with his other EU leaders.Leon said:
It is enormously helpful to Boris, I'm not at all sure it helps France. My guess is some German or Dutchman (or Pole?) saw a chance to rein in Macron - and make him look a bit madwilliamglenn said:I wonder who leaked the letter to Von Der Leyen? The full quote makes it clear that Castex is worried about European public opinion needing to be shown that Brexit is damaging.
https://twitter.com/alexwickham/status/1454180320169930753
The sceptical hate him for being in thrall to the EU. The europhile think him self centred and nationalistic.0 -
To be utterly cynical: Johnson gets out of a total hole as the whole thing is shaping up to be a flop.Benpointer said:A morbid thought but what happens if HMQ dies on the eve of, or during, the Cop26 conference?
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I'm the very opposite of being a doctor but to me, on tv, and bearing in mind she's 95, she looks quite good. Frail but with an aura of health. She doesn't look ill. Hopefully this post will not age badly.Cyclefree said:
I hope not.TheScreamingEagles said:Queen advised to rest for at least the next fortnight by the doctors.
London Bridge is going to fall down soon isn't it?
I wonder whether she's had some sort of minor stroke. Might explain the advice about giving up drinking.1 -
French more decent than fellow Anglospherians shock.
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It's a BBC thing. Probably dates back to 1920s or whatever.turbotubbs said:
I find the concept of The Royal Correspondent a bit strange. I mean is Whitchell allowed to report on anything else? Or just royal stuff? And with the heir to thrown widely reported to despise him. Weird.Farooq said:
Not me. I like Witchell more than I like Brenda.MarqueeMark said:
We can all row in behind the notion that HM the Q outlives Nicholas Witchell....Foss said:
It's still possible she could outlive him.squareroot2 said:
Anything but Nicolas Witchell. Charles is not a fan....DecrepiterJohnL said:
The London Bridge plans might have been revised after complaints about DofE RIP overkill.kle4 said:
The plans are known in detail.state_go_away said:What will be the effect on the practical lives of Brits if the Queen does die? I knwo there will be official mourning but what does that mean beside a lot of Nicolas Witchell and everyone looking really sad on TV ? Will shops shut ,cinemas close etc?
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/mar/16/what-happens-when-queen-elizabeth-dies-london-bridge
But at its most basic, even if you are a royalist, avoid television for two weeks. And on the day probably several things will close early, but most not I suspect. So practical effect looks like not that much.
And I don't think there's an 'If' about it.0 -
That says, There are disadvantages to leaving the Union just as there are disadvantages to staying in it.Leon said:
No, it really doesScott_xP said:
What a weird way to find out that even with a decade + of zero use, my French appears to be better than that of... 99% of the Brexit commmentariat in the UK.Leon said:I don't see this as helpful for Macron or France. A leading EU country calling on the EU to "damage" a former member state, to prove the folly of leaving the EU?
It sounds unhinged, even if it has its own cold logic. It was also a private letter. I reckon it was leaked to hurt French interests and/or specific politicians. It could just be some internal French rivalry: an enemy of Macron/Castex
That letter *doesn't* say that the EU should hurt the UK to show that Brexit was a bad idea. It really just doesn't.
https://twitter.com/sylviademars/status/1454191198982316038
He says, end of page one, that the EU must *show* (montrer) that it is more harmful to leave than to stay (qu'il y a davantage de dommages à quitter l'Union qu'à y demeurer).0 -
What’s Biden doing with his arm?Theuniondivvie said:French more decent than fellow Anglospherians shock.
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She has had a tough year though.kinabalu said:
I'm the very opposite of being a doctor but to me, on tv, and bearing in mind she's 95, she looks quite good. Frail but with an aura of health. She doesn't look ill. Hopefully this post will not age badly.Cyclefree said:
I hope not.TheScreamingEagles said:Queen advised to rest for at least the next fortnight by the doctors.
London Bridge is going to fall down soon isn't it?
I wonder whether she's had some sort of minor stroke. Might explain the advice about giving up drinking.
I don't think this would be being leaked if it were something minor.1 -
"that there is MORE damage to leaving the Union than in staying there"IshmaelZ said:
That says, There are disadvantages to leaving the Union just as there are disadvantages to staying in it.Leon said:
No, it really doesScott_xP said:
What a weird way to find out that even with a decade + of zero use, my French appears to be better than that of... 99% of the Brexit commmentariat in the UK.Leon said:I don't see this as helpful for Macron or France. A leading EU country calling on the EU to "damage" a former member state, to prove the folly of leaving the EU?
It sounds unhinged, even if it has its own cold logic. It was also a private letter. I reckon it was leaked to hurt French interests and/or specific politicians. It could just be some internal French rivalry: an enemy of Macron/Castex
That letter *doesn't* say that the EU should hurt the UK to show that Brexit was a bad idea. It really just doesn't.
https://twitter.com/sylviademars/status/1454191198982316038
He says, end of page one, that the EU must *show* (montrer) that it is more harmful to leave than to stay (qu'il y a davantage de dommages à quitter l'Union qu'à y demeurer).0 -
Can you post a link to the letter?Leon said:
No, it really doesScott_xP said:
What a weird way to find out that even with a decade + of zero use, my French appears to be better than that of... 99% of the Brexit commmentariat in the UK.Leon said:I don't see this as helpful for Macron or France. A leading EU country calling on the EU to "damage" a former member state, to prove the folly of leaving the EU?
It sounds unhinged, even if it has its own cold logic. It was also a private letter. I reckon it was leaked to hurt French interests and/or specific politicians. It could just be some internal French rivalry: an enemy of Macron/Castex
That letter *doesn't* say that the EU should hurt the UK to show that Brexit was a bad idea. It really just doesn't.
https://twitter.com/sylviademars/status/1454191198982316038
He says, end of page one, that the EU must *show* (montrer) that it is more harmful to leave than to stay (qu'il y a davantage de dommages à quitter l'Union qu'à y demeurer).0 -
The not-that-auld alliance.Theuniondivvie said:French more decent than fellow Anglospherians shock.
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In all fairness, what does being the host mean in terms of being able to acheive anything from such an exercise? No more than anyone else present really.rottenborough said:
To be utterly cynical: Johnson gets out of a total hole as the whole thing is shaping up to be a flop.Benpointer said:A morbid thought but what happens if HMQ dies on the eve of, or during, the Cop26 conference?
Damn two timer.Theuniondivvie said:French more decent than fellow Anglospherians shock.
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https://twitter.com/alexwickham/status/1454180320169930753?s=20Benpointer said:
Can you post a link to the letter?Leon said:
No, it really doesScott_xP said:
What a weird way to find out that even with a decade + of zero use, my French appears to be better than that of... 99% of the Brexit commmentariat in the UK.Leon said:I don't see this as helpful for Macron or France. A leading EU country calling on the EU to "damage" a former member state, to prove the folly of leaving the EU?
It sounds unhinged, even if it has its own cold logic. It was also a private letter. I reckon it was leaked to hurt French interests and/or specific politicians. It could just be some internal French rivalry: an enemy of Macron/Castex
That letter *doesn't* say that the EU should hurt the UK to show that Brexit was a bad idea. It really just doesn't.
https://twitter.com/sylviademars/status/1454191198982316038
He says, end of page one, that the EU must *show* (montrer) that it is more harmful to leave than to stay (qu'il y a davantage de dommages à quitter l'Union qu'à y demeurer).0 -
確實為自己說話rcs1000 said:
Speak for yourself.Leon said:
We do still live in democracies - I hope. We are not helpless Chinese peons.Benpointer said:
And, beyond worrying, I can do what exactly?Leon said:
I am right, and as to one reason why my rightness is important, see my comment down below. These mad fuckers are doing science which could - literally - destroy humanityBenpointer said:
Lol - you may well be right, or you may not be.Leon said:
Meh. I was right. I've said it came from the lab since about June of last year. I am vindicated, Ignore all you wantBenpointer said:
Tbh I stopped reading your post after mention of 'rare cleavage sites' in point 1.Leon said:You know what, I've got this tiny feeling IT CAME FROM THE LAB
"3 takeaways from the recently released EcoHealth grant proposals & reports:
1. By March 2018, they had a roadmap for detecting & inserting novel rare (furin) cleavage sites into novel low risk SARS-like viruses.
2. By 2019, chimeric human pathogen MERS-CoV research was ongoing.
3. Several groups of people were aware of either one or both of the points above and decided not to say anything about it for close to 2 years since SARS2 emerged in Wuhan."
https://twitter.com/Ayjchan/status/1454083865556000775?s=20
I can't really get exercised by it. If you're right, what practical difference would it make? I already know China is a nasty, controlling, dangerous regime... and thers f*ck all I (or the rest of the world, it seems) can do about it.
Public opinion must see the guilty parties brought to justice, and scientists must be told Fuck This Bubonic Shit0 -
Expectations are so low for it that unless the places burns down during the conference from a freak heatwave it will be sold as a success.rottenborough said:
To be utterly cynical: Johnson gets out of a total hole as the whole thing is shaping up to be a flop.Benpointer said:A morbid thought but what happens if HMQ dies on the eve of, or during, the Cop26 conference?
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TaLeon said:
https://twitter.com/alexwickham/status/1454180320169930753?s=20Benpointer said:
Can you post a link to the letter?Leon said:
No, it really doesScott_xP said:
What a weird way to find out that even with a decade + of zero use, my French appears to be better than that of... 99% of the Brexit commmentariat in the UK.Leon said:I don't see this as helpful for Macron or France. A leading EU country calling on the EU to "damage" a former member state, to prove the folly of leaving the EU?
It sounds unhinged, even if it has its own cold logic. It was also a private letter. I reckon it was leaked to hurt French interests and/or specific politicians. It could just be some internal French rivalry: an enemy of Macron/Castex
That letter *doesn't* say that the EU should hurt the UK to show that Brexit was a bad idea. It really just doesn't.
https://twitter.com/sylviademars/status/1454191198982316038
He says, end of page one, that the EU must *show* (montrer) that it is more harmful to leave than to stay (qu'il y a davantage de dommages à quitter l'Union qu'à y demeurer).0 -
https://www.nhm.ac.uk/discover/bizarre-love-life-of-the-anglerfish.htmlFarooq said:
It's not like he's parasitic on her... he doesn't take her money or time or precious bodily fluids.IshmaelZ said:
Odd. I can't understand disliking Brenda, but if you do surely someone parasitic on her is even worse?Farooq said:
Not me. I like Witchell more than I like Brenda.MarqueeMark said:
We can all row in behind the notion that HM the Q outlives Nicholas Witchell....Foss said:
It's still possible she could outlive him.squareroot2 said:
Anything but Nicolas Witchell. Charles is not a fan....DecrepiterJohnL said:
The London Bridge plans might have been revised after complaints about DofE RIP overkill.kle4 said:
The plans are known in detail.state_go_away said:What will be the effect on the practical lives of Brits if the Queen does die? I knwo there will be official mourning but what does that mean beside a lot of Nicolas Witchell and everyone looking really sad on TV ? Will shops shut ,cinemas close etc?
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/mar/16/what-happens-when-queen-elizabeth-dies-london-bridge
But at its most basic, even if you are a royalist, avoid television for two weeks. And on the day probably several things will close early, but most not I suspect. So practical effect looks like not that much.
And I don't think there's an 'If' about it.
But since you bring parasitism up..
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White Man speak with forked tongue. No wonder you Scots are fucked if you haven't worked that out for yourselves.Theuniondivvie said:French more decent than fellow Anglospherians shock.
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...You're an assassin?kinabalu said:
I'm the very opposite of being a doctorCyclefree said:
I hope not.TheScreamingEagles said:Queen advised to rest for at least the next fortnight by the doctors.
London Bridge is going to fall down soon isn't it?
I wonder whether she's had some sort of minor stroke. Might explain the advice about giving up drinking.
To be honest it is not a complete shock, you've always had an undercurrent of darkness.
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Sorry yes you are rightLeon said:
"that there is MORE damage to leaving the Union than in staying there"IshmaelZ said:
That says, There are disadvantages to leaving the Union just as there are disadvantages to staying in it.Leon said:
No, it really doesScott_xP said:
What a weird way to find out that even with a decade + of zero use, my French appears to be better than that of... 99% of the Brexit commmentariat in the UK.Leon said:I don't see this as helpful for Macron or France. A leading EU country calling on the EU to "damage" a former member state, to prove the folly of leaving the EU?
It sounds unhinged, even if it has its own cold logic. It was also a private letter. I reckon it was leaked to hurt French interests and/or specific politicians. It could just be some internal French rivalry: an enemy of Macron/Castex
That letter *doesn't* say that the EU should hurt the UK to show that Brexit was a bad idea. It really just doesn't.
https://twitter.com/sylviademars/status/1454191198982316038
He says, end of page one, that the EU must *show* (montrer) that it is more harmful to leave than to stay (qu'il y a davantage de dommages à quitter l'Union qu'à y demeurer).0 -
Hardly the "punishment beating" we were told though.Leon said:
"that there is MORE damage to leaving the Union than in staying there"IshmaelZ said:
That says, There are disadvantages to leaving the Union just as there are disadvantages to staying in it.Leon said:
No, it really doesScott_xP said:
What a weird way to find out that even with a decade + of zero use, my French appears to be better than that of... 99% of the Brexit commmentariat in the UK.Leon said:I don't see this as helpful for Macron or France. A leading EU country calling on the EU to "damage" a former member state, to prove the folly of leaving the EU?
It sounds unhinged, even if it has its own cold logic. It was also a private letter. I reckon it was leaked to hurt French interests and/or specific politicians. It could just be some internal French rivalry: an enemy of Macron/Castex
That letter *doesn't* say that the EU should hurt the UK to show that Brexit was a bad idea. It really just doesn't.
https://twitter.com/sylviademars/status/1454191198982316038
He says, end of page one, that the EU must *show* (montrer) that it is more harmful to leave than to stay (qu'il y a davantage de dommages à quitter l'Union qu'à y demeurer).
Indeed a statement of banal truth.1 -
lol. What do you expect Biden to do? He doesn't say France is MORE, he is saying France is just as loyal, decent, blah blah diplowankTheuniondivvie said:French more decent than fellow Anglospherians shock.
Biden is the guy who warmly embraced Macron in Cornwall, even as, behind the scenes, he was plotting with Johnson and ScoMo to sabotage the biggest French defence deal in history, steal all France's business, and set up a new Anglo Saxon defence alliance explicitly excluding the French, despite a decade of Australian promises to Paris
He's hardly gonna double down on the insults, there is no need, America got what it wanted (as did Boris and Morrison)
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Even if that happens, Johnson will walk away from the inferno, dust himself down, declare that England is rising once again, and call an early general election.Foxy said:
Expectations are so low for it that unless the places burns down during the conference from a freak heatwave it will be sold as a success.rottenborough said:
To be utterly cynical: Johnson gets out of a total hole as the whole thing is shaping up to be a flop.Benpointer said:A morbid thought but what happens if HMQ dies on the eve of, or during, the Cop26 conference?
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Ok Wickham's wrong though. That letter does not say "France tells Brussels it must demonstrate that Britain has been damaged by leaving the EU".Leon said:
https://twitter.com/alexwickham/status/1454180320169930753?s=20Benpointer said:
Can you post a link to the letter?Leon said:
No, it really doesScott_xP said:
What a weird way to find out that even with a decade + of zero use, my French appears to be better than that of... 99% of the Brexit commmentariat in the UK.Leon said:I don't see this as helpful for Macron or France. A leading EU country calling on the EU to "damage" a former member state, to prove the folly of leaving the EU?
It sounds unhinged, even if it has its own cold logic. It was also a private letter. I reckon it was leaked to hurt French interests and/or specific politicians. It could just be some internal French rivalry: an enemy of Macron/Castex
That letter *doesn't* say that the EU should hurt the UK to show that Brexit was a bad idea. It really just doesn't.
https://twitter.com/sylviademars/status/1454191198982316038
He says, end of page one, that the EU must *show* (montrer) that it is more harmful to leave than to stay (qu'il y a davantage de dommages à quitter l'Union qu'à y demeurer).
Nor does the letter call on the EU to "damage" a former member state, as you suggested earlier.0 -
But this is a Macron trying to arrange it to be harder, I.e. exactly what is implied by ‘punishment beatings’. I don’t expect our friends in the EU to give use special treatment. We left the place where that existed. But it would be nice if our allies (NATO) and the country we spent money and lives to liberate didn’t actively set out to harm us for having the temerity to leave the EU.Foxy said:
Hardly the "punishment beating" we were told though.Leon said:
"that there is MORE damage to leaving the Union than in staying there"IshmaelZ said:
That says, There are disadvantages to leaving the Union just as there are disadvantages to staying in it.Leon said:
No, it really doesScott_xP said:
What a weird way to find out that even with a decade + of zero use, my French appears to be better than that of... 99% of the Brexit commmentariat in the UK.Leon said:I don't see this as helpful for Macron or France. A leading EU country calling on the EU to "damage" a former member state, to prove the folly of leaving the EU?
It sounds unhinged, even if it has its own cold logic. It was also a private letter. I reckon it was leaked to hurt French interests and/or specific politicians. It could just be some internal French rivalry: an enemy of Macron/Castex
That letter *doesn't* say that the EU should hurt the UK to show that Brexit was a bad idea. It really just doesn't.
https://twitter.com/sylviademars/status/1454191198982316038
He says, end of page one, that the EU must *show* (montrer) that it is more harmful to leave than to stay (qu'il y a davantage de dommages à quitter l'Union qu'à y demeurer).
Indeed a statement of banal truth.0 -
How do you think Castex wants the EU to "montrer" the "dommages"? He's not asking them for a Powerpoint presentation.Benpointer said:
Ok Wickham's wrong though. That letter does not say "France tells Brussels it must demonstrate that Britain has been damaged by leaving the EU".Leon said:
https://twitter.com/alexwickham/status/1454180320169930753?s=20Benpointer said:
Can you post a link to the letter?Leon said:
No, it really doesScott_xP said:
What a weird way to find out that even with a decade + of zero use, my French appears to be better than that of... 99% of the Brexit commmentariat in the UK.Leon said:I don't see this as helpful for Macron or France. A leading EU country calling on the EU to "damage" a former member state, to prove the folly of leaving the EU?
It sounds unhinged, even if it has its own cold logic. It was also a private letter. I reckon it was leaked to hurt French interests and/or specific politicians. It could just be some internal French rivalry: an enemy of Macron/Castex
That letter *doesn't* say that the EU should hurt the UK to show that Brexit was a bad idea. It really just doesn't.
https://twitter.com/sylviademars/status/1454191198982316038
He says, end of page one, that the EU must *show* (montrer) that it is more harmful to leave than to stay (qu'il y a davantage de dommages à quitter l'Union qu'à y demeurer).
Nor does the letter call on the EU to "damage" a former member state, as you suggested earlier.0 -
Perhaps. But this is the French Prime Minister asking the European Commission to SHOW European public opinion that Brexit will be more harmful to Britain than Remaining.... and this is in regard to some fishing licences??!!Foxy said:
Hardly the "punishment beating" we were told though.Leon said:
"that there is MORE damage to leaving the Union than in staying there"IshmaelZ said:
That says, There are disadvantages to leaving the Union just as there are disadvantages to staying in it.Leon said:
No, it really doesScott_xP said:
What a weird way to find out that even with a decade + of zero use, my French appears to be better than that of... 99% of the Brexit commmentariat in the UK.Leon said:I don't see this as helpful for Macron or France. A leading EU country calling on the EU to "damage" a former member state, to prove the folly of leaving the EU?
It sounds unhinged, even if it has its own cold logic. It was also a private letter. I reckon it was leaked to hurt French interests and/or specific politicians. It could just be some internal French rivalry: an enemy of Macron/Castex
That letter *doesn't* say that the EU should hurt the UK to show that Brexit was a bad idea. It really just doesn't.
https://twitter.com/sylviademars/status/1454191198982316038
He says, end of page one, that the EU must *show* (montrer) that it is more harmful to leave than to stay (qu'il y a davantage de dommages à quitter l'Union qu'à y demeurer).
Indeed a statement of banal truth.
So it really is all about Brexit, it's fuck all to do with fish, France wants Britain to hurt, and to be seen to be hurting, so other European countries don't get ideas about quitting. That's it. That's what it says
Your pathetic shrug really is a giveaway. If a British Leaver prime minister sent a letter like this, asking for a European ally to be harmed, solely for the benefit of some public opinion, you and all your fellow Remoaners would blow a fucking gasket
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To be fair to Macron, I don't think he created the notion of Les Rosbifs being the external enemy.rcs1000 said:
It's about winning, it's about creating an external enemy.Philip_Thompson said:
I wonder how he's planning on dragging this out until the election date without getting embarrassed?geoffw said:But will it necessarily play out well for Macron? It's doubtful he'll be able to turn it into an EU v UK matter unless the UK side has breached some agreement. But then does he back down quickly or escalate to non-fishing areas?
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If only there was a phrase, in French*, that meant to make a display of punishment to prevent further infractions by others.Foxy said:
Hardly the "punishment beating" we were told though.Leon said:
"that there is MORE damage to leaving the Union than in staying there"IshmaelZ said:
That says, There are disadvantages to leaving the Union just as there are disadvantages to staying in it.Leon said:
No, it really doesScott_xP said:
What a weird way to find out that even with a decade + of zero use, my French appears to be better than that of... 99% of the Brexit commmentariat in the UK.Leon said:I don't see this as helpful for Macron or France. A leading EU country calling on the EU to "damage" a former member state, to prove the folly of leaving the EU?
It sounds unhinged, even if it has its own cold logic. It was also a private letter. I reckon it was leaked to hurt French interests and/or specific politicians. It could just be some internal French rivalry: an enemy of Macron/Castex
That letter *doesn't* say that the EU should hurt the UK to show that Brexit was a bad idea. It really just doesn't.
https://twitter.com/sylviademars/status/1454191198982316038
He says, end of page one, that the EU must *show* (montrer) that it is more harmful to leave than to stay (qu'il y a davantage de dommages à quitter l'Union qu'à y demeurer).
Indeed a statement of banal truth.
(I am assuming not actually a French idiom)3 -
It calls for a punishment beating, to educate European public opinion on the evils of Brexit. That's what it says. Denying this is futile. Remainers are cretinsBenpointer said:
Ok Wickham's wrong though. That letter does not say "France tells Brussels it must demonstrate that Britain has been damaged by leaving the EU".Leon said:
https://twitter.com/alexwickham/status/1454180320169930753?s=20Benpointer said:
Can you post a link to the letter?Leon said:
No, it really doesScott_xP said:
What a weird way to find out that even with a decade + of zero use, my French appears to be better than that of... 99% of the Brexit commmentariat in the UK.Leon said:I don't see this as helpful for Macron or France. A leading EU country calling on the EU to "damage" a former member state, to prove the folly of leaving the EU?
It sounds unhinged, even if it has its own cold logic. It was also a private letter. I reckon it was leaked to hurt French interests and/or specific politicians. It could just be some internal French rivalry: an enemy of Macron/Castex
That letter *doesn't* say that the EU should hurt the UK to show that Brexit was a bad idea. It really just doesn't.
https://twitter.com/sylviademars/status/1454191198982316038
He says, end of page one, that the EU must *show* (montrer) that it is more harmful to leave than to stay (qu'il y a davantage de dommages à quitter l'Union qu'à y demeurer).
Nor does the letter call on the EU to "damage" a former member state, as you suggested earlier.0 -
Tbf plenty of us were the white men that spoke with forked tongue.IshmaelZ said:
White Man speak with forked tongue. No wonder you Scots are fucked if you haven't worked that out for yourselves.Theuniondivvie said:French more decent than fellow Anglospherians shock.
And there’s no one whiter (literally) than a Scotchman.1 -
I believe it was a French response to the execution of a British admiral, pour encourager les autres. Not sure what Les had done though...TheWhiteRabbit said:
If only there was a phrase, in French*, that meant to make a display of punishment to prevent further infractions by others.Foxy said:
Hardly the "punishment beating" we were told though.Leon said:
"that there is MORE damage to leaving the Union than in staying there"IshmaelZ said:
That says, There are disadvantages to leaving the Union just as there are disadvantages to staying in it.Leon said:
No, it really doesScott_xP said:
What a weird way to find out that even with a decade + of zero use, my French appears to be better than that of... 99% of the Brexit commmentariat in the UK.Leon said:I don't see this as helpful for Macron or France. A leading EU country calling on the EU to "damage" a former member state, to prove the folly of leaving the EU?
It sounds unhinged, even if it has its own cold logic. It was also a private letter. I reckon it was leaked to hurt French interests and/or specific politicians. It could just be some internal French rivalry: an enemy of Macron/Castex
That letter *doesn't* say that the EU should hurt the UK to show that Brexit was a bad idea. It really just doesn't.
https://twitter.com/sylviademars/status/1454191198982316038
He says, end of page one, that the EU must *show* (montrer) that it is more harmful to leave than to stay (qu'il y a davantage de dommages à quitter l'Union qu'à y demeurer).
Indeed a statement of banal truth.
(I am assuming not actually a French idiom)0 -
"The catastrophe of NHS Test and Trace
It wasn’t just a waste of money – it failed to prevent two more lockdowns.
ANDREW ORLOWSKI"
https://www.spiked-online.com/2021/10/29/the-catastrophe-of-nhs-test-and-trace/0 -
No, Leavers are cretins.Leon said:
It calls for a punishment beating, to educate European public opinion on the evils of Brexit. That's what it says. Denying this is futile. Remainers are cretinsBenpointer said:
Ok Wickham's wrong though. That letter does not say "France tells Brussels it must demonstrate that Britain has been damaged by leaving the EU".Leon said:
https://twitter.com/alexwickham/status/1454180320169930753?s=20Benpointer said:
Can you post a link to the letter?Leon said:
No, it really doesScott_xP said:
What a weird way to find out that even with a decade + of zero use, my French appears to be better than that of... 99% of the Brexit commmentariat in the UK.Leon said:I don't see this as helpful for Macron or France. A leading EU country calling on the EU to "damage" a former member state, to prove the folly of leaving the EU?
It sounds unhinged, even if it has its own cold logic. It was also a private letter. I reckon it was leaked to hurt French interests and/or specific politicians. It could just be some internal French rivalry: an enemy of Macron/Castex
That letter *doesn't* say that the EU should hurt the UK to show that Brexit was a bad idea. It really just doesn't.
https://twitter.com/sylviademars/status/1454191198982316038
He says, end of page one, that the EU must *show* (montrer) that it is more harmful to leave than to stay (qu'il y a davantage de dommages à quitter l'Union qu'à y demeurer).
Nor does the letter call on the EU to "damage" a former member state, as you suggested earlier.
Solidarity is the basis of a Union and we are no longer in it.0 -
Byngo!turbotubbs said:
I believe it was a French response to the execution of a British admiral, pour encourager les autres. Not sure what Les had done though...TheWhiteRabbit said:
If only there was a phrase, in French*, that meant to make a display of punishment to prevent further infractions by others.Foxy said:
Hardly the "punishment beating" we were told though.Leon said:
"that there is MORE damage to leaving the Union than in staying there"IshmaelZ said:
That says, There are disadvantages to leaving the Union just as there are disadvantages to staying in it.Leon said:
No, it really doesScott_xP said:
What a weird way to find out that even with a decade + of zero use, my French appears to be better than that of... 99% of the Brexit commmentariat in the UK.Leon said:I don't see this as helpful for Macron or France. A leading EU country calling on the EU to "damage" a former member state, to prove the folly of leaving the EU?
It sounds unhinged, even if it has its own cold logic. It was also a private letter. I reckon it was leaked to hurt French interests and/or specific politicians. It could just be some internal French rivalry: an enemy of Macron/Castex
That letter *doesn't* say that the EU should hurt the UK to show that Brexit was a bad idea. It really just doesn't.
https://twitter.com/sylviademars/status/1454191198982316038
He says, end of page one, that the EU must *show* (montrer) that it is more harmful to leave than to stay (qu'il y a davantage de dommages à quitter l'Union qu'à y demeurer).
Indeed a statement of banal truth.
(I am assuming not actually a French idiom)2 -
By not doing anything to ameliorate the inherent disadvantages for the UK of Brexit.williamglenn said:
How do you think Castex wants the EU to "montrer" the "dommages"? He's not asking them for a Powerpoint presentation.Benpointer said:
Ok Wickham's wrong though. That letter does not say "France tells Brussels it must demonstrate that Britain has been damaged by leaving the EU".Leon said:
https://twitter.com/alexwickham/status/1454180320169930753?s=20Benpointer said:
Can you post a link to the letter?Leon said:
No, it really doesScott_xP said:
What a weird way to find out that even with a decade + of zero use, my French appears to be better than that of... 99% of the Brexit commmentariat in the UK.Leon said:I don't see this as helpful for Macron or France. A leading EU country calling on the EU to "damage" a former member state, to prove the folly of leaving the EU?
It sounds unhinged, even if it has its own cold logic. It was also a private letter. I reckon it was leaked to hurt French interests and/or specific politicians. It could just be some internal French rivalry: an enemy of Macron/Castex
That letter *doesn't* say that the EU should hurt the UK to show that Brexit was a bad idea. It really just doesn't.
https://twitter.com/sylviademars/status/1454191198982316038
He says, end of page one, that the EU must *show* (montrer) that it is more harmful to leave than to stay (qu'il y a davantage de dommages à quitter l'Union qu'à y demeurer).
Nor does the letter call on the EU to "damage" a former member state, as you suggested earlier.0
