The attack on Amess is quite shocking – politicalbetting.com
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Proof of IQ better?RobD said:
Beginning to think that proof of ID for things like Twitter might be a good thing.LostPassword said:
Perhaps there are things that were once said in the heat of the moment under the influence of drink in a pub which can now be sent immediately to anyone from anywhere with minimal effort. It could be just that it's so much more easy to communicate bile and hatred than it was in the past, not that there is more of it about.rottenborough said:When did we become a society where going around making death threats has become all too common an activity for some people?
When social media took off?5 -
@yairlapid
From Israel, we send our deepest condolences to the family, friends and colleagues of Sir David Amess. He always stood with the Jewish community and was a true friend of Israel.
May his memory be for a blessing.
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600% markups are not that uncommon in the jewelry industry.kle4 said:On the lighter side of things, another great day for the legal system - the final bit I've included is a classic bit of euphemistic language.
A £3m diamond fraud trial involving The Only Way is Essex star Lewis Bloor has collapsed after the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) admitted it failed to disclose some evidence.
About 200 people were conned into buying coloured diamonds at a 600% mark-up, prosecutors claimed.
Mr Bloor, 31, was accused of playing a "key role" in one company involved.
But he and five others were acquitted after the CPS did not disclose evidence which could have helped the defendants...
"We have come to the conclusion that we cannot confirm to the court that the prosecution has discharged its disclosure duties in this case," he said.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-589270342 -
To check I understand you: we are doing more tests so are seeing more cases...Philip_Thompson said:
More testing finding cases.Benpointer said:Off topic: Anyone got any ideas why the UK is persistently seeing a rate of covid deaths per million nearly triple those seen in France, Germany and Italy?
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/oct/15/why-britons-are-tolerating-sky-high-covid-rates-and-why-this-may-not-last
Is there any sign that excess deaths are actually higher?
According to Statista you're right, but not right enough. We're doing twice as many tests per million as France but seeing 10 times as many cases.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1104645/covid19-testing-rate-select-countries-worldwide/1 -
The only time twitter intrudes on.my life is when tweets are posted here or I check how my rugby club is getting on. Otherwise its irrelevant to me.1
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BBC-NEWS Terrorism officers to lead Amess case.1
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What is twitter's response to death threats?
Surely it is easy enough for them to suspend accounts although presumably they can just get a new identity.0 -
That can't be determined for certain. Aren't an extremely large proportion of our cases coming from kids who don't have symptoms but are getting tested?Benpointer said:
To check I understand you: we are doing more tests so are seeing more cases...Philip_Thompson said:
More testing finding cases.Benpointer said:Off topic: Anyone got any ideas why the UK is persistently seeing a rate of covid deaths per million nearly triple those seen in France, Germany and Italy?
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/oct/15/why-britons-are-tolerating-sky-high-covid-rates-and-why-this-may-not-last
Is there any sign that excess deaths are actually higher?
According to Statista you're right, but not right enough. We're doing twice as many tests per million as France but seeing 10 times as many cases.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1104645/covid19-testing-rate-select-countries-worldwide/
If they weren't getting tested that could wipe out a large portion of our "cases" and we'd be little the wiser.0 -
£23bn.eek said:
Hinkley C is currently over budget at £22bn so I suspect 10 will be cheaper than 1.MarqueeMark said:
I bet that 10 prove to be more than the cost of one.....eek said:
BecauseMarqueeMark said:
So why build 10 mini-nukes on the site of an existing nuke???eek said:
I really can't see the issue - this is baseline energy that we need to have. Logical places are where-ever existing nuclear power stations are provided they have enough connectivity.Gallowgate said:
I’d have one next door if it meant cheap electricity with no carbon emissions.MarqueeMark said:
Show me an MP that wants a "mini-nuke" in their constituency. If ever an issue was tailor-made for the LibDem nimbys....CarlottaVance said:UK to build mini-nuclear reactors:
https://amp.theguardian.com/business/2021/oct/15/uk-poised-to-confirm-funding-for-mini-nuclear-reactors-for-green-energy
Very sad news today. Really affected me.
1) the sites already exist and have appropriate security that only needs to be extended.
2) suitable workforce already exist
3) a lot of the sites are time served and due to be decommissioned over the next x years.
4) mini-nukes as I believe MaxPB mentioned before a great because when you need to service one you only lose 470MW of power rather than GWs...
And it depends how the one goes offline!
There has never been a nuclear plant built without massive public and customer subsidies.
However small they make them.1 -
The case was about cold callers claiming the stones were worth more than they were. That’s where the crime comes in.rcs1000 said:
600% markups are not that uncommon in the jewelry industry.kle4 said:On the lighter side of things, another great day for the legal system - the final bit I've included is a classic bit of euphemistic language.
A £3m diamond fraud trial involving The Only Way is Essex star Lewis Bloor has collapsed after the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) admitted it failed to disclose some evidence.
About 200 people were conned into buying coloured diamonds at a 600% mark-up, prosecutors claimed.
Mr Bloor, 31, was accused of playing a "key role" in one company involved.
But he and five others were acquitted after the CPS did not disclose evidence which could have helped the defendants...
"We have come to the conclusion that we cannot confirm to the court that the prosecution has discharged its disclosure duties in this case," he said.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-589270341 -
On topic RIP David Amess.
Thoughts with his family4 -
Good point. I seem to remember there was a site which showed comparative excess death rates across developed countries - does anyone have a link?RobD said:
We constantly hear this, yet the UK is quite middling on the excess death tracker. It suggests differences in reporting more than anything.Benpointer said:Off topic: Anyone got any ideas why the UK is persistently seeing a rate of covid deaths per million nearly triple those seen in France, Germany and Italy?
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/oct/15/why-britons-are-tolerating-sky-high-covid-rates-and-why-this-may-not-last0 -
https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/coronavirus-excess-deaths-trackerBenpointer said:
Good point. I seem to remember there was a site which showed comparative excess death rates across developed countries - does anyone have a link?RobD said:
We constantly hear this, yet the UK is quite middling on the excess death tracker. It suggests differences in reporting more than anything.Benpointer said:Off topic: Anyone got any ideas why the UK is persistently seeing a rate of covid deaths per million nearly triple those seen in France, Germany and Italy?
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/oct/15/why-britons-are-tolerating-sky-high-covid-rates-and-why-this-may-not-last2 -
Your option 2 is a bit blunt. Everyone's covid deaths figures are wrong to a certain extent. The useful measure is age adjusted excess mortality, and we're not exceptional (either up or down) on that measure.tlg86 said:
The options, I think, are:Benpointer said:Off topic: Anyone got any ideas why the UK is persistently seeing a rate of covid deaths per million nearly triple those seen in France, Germany and Italy?
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/oct/15/why-britons-are-tolerating-sky-high-covid-rates-and-why-this-may-not-last
1) We’re interacting much more than they are. If so, then presumably we should get through it quicker than them.
2) Their current numbers are wrong.
3) Far more of them had already come into contact with COVID before the re-opening. In which case, their total death numbers are probably too low.0 -
It does look like this has all the signs of a jihadi attack, to be fair to Rayner although her remarks were wrong she cannot be blamed for this appalling crimeCarlottaVance said:BBC-NEWS Terrorism officers to lead Amess case.
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CheersRobD said:
https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/coronavirus-excess-deaths-trackerBenpointer said:
Good point. I seem to remember there was a site which showed comparative excess death rates across developed countries - does anyone have a link?RobD said:
We constantly hear this, yet the UK is quite middling on the excess death tracker. It suggests differences in reporting more than anything.Benpointer said:Off topic: Anyone got any ideas why the UK is persistently seeing a rate of covid deaths per million nearly triple those seen in France, Germany and Italy?
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/oct/15/why-britons-are-tolerating-sky-high-covid-rates-and-why-this-may-not-last0 -
I've just emailed all my deliverers to suspend all deliveries of our political leaflets this weekend as a mark of respect and in solidarity across all political parties. It's hard to know what more to do personally.12
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I am not sure we should be speculating at this stageHYUFD said:
It does look like this has all the signs of a jihadi attack, to be fair to Rayner although her remarks were wrong she cannot be blamed for this appalling crimeCarlottaVance said:BBC-NEWS Terrorism officers to lead Amess case.
Let the police do their job4 -
Though that was the case for wind farms, until it wasn't.MarqueeMark said:
£23bn.eek said:
Hinkley C is currently over budget at £22bn so I suspect 10 will be cheaper than 1.MarqueeMark said:
I bet that 10 prove to be more than the cost of one.....eek said:
BecauseMarqueeMark said:
So why build 10 mini-nukes on the site of an existing nuke???eek said:
I really can't see the issue - this is baseline energy that we need to have. Logical places are where-ever existing nuclear power stations are provided they have enough connectivity.Gallowgate said:
I’d have one next door if it meant cheap electricity with no carbon emissions.MarqueeMark said:
Show me an MP that wants a "mini-nuke" in their constituency. If ever an issue was tailor-made for the LibDem nimbys....CarlottaVance said:UK to build mini-nuclear reactors:
https://amp.theguardian.com/business/2021/oct/15/uk-poised-to-confirm-funding-for-mini-nuclear-reactors-for-green-energy
Very sad news today. Really affected me.
1) the sites already exist and have appropriate security that only needs to be extended.
2) suitable workforce already exist
3) a lot of the sites are time served and due to be decommissioned over the next x years.
4) mini-nukes as I believe MaxPB mentioned before a great because when you need to service one you only lose 470MW of power rather than GWs...
And it depends how the one goes offline!
There has never been a nuclear plant built without massive public and customer subsidies.
However small they make them.
There's far more chance of 10+ mini nukes eventually leading to affordable nukes without subsidies than a single white elephant on its own.0 -
Well, there isn’t much you *can* do, but that’s a decent gesture on your part. (Not that I would have expected anything else.)Barnesian said:I've just emailed all my deliverers to suspend all deliveries of our political leaflets this weekend as a mark of respect and in solidarity across all political parties. It's hard to know what more to do personally.
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It is not much speculation to say that Somalia is 99% Muslim and a minority of those will be Jihadis unfortunately.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I am not sure we should be speculating at this stageHYUFD said:
It does look like this has all the signs of a jihadi attack, to be fair to Rayner although her remarks were wrong she cannot be blamed for this appalling crimeCarlottaVance said:BBC-NEWS Terrorism officers to lead Amess case.
Let the police do their job
It is just statement of the obvious0 -
GB News - suspect is understood to be a 25-year old Somalian national.0
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While that's true, the small modular idea is at least rather more sensible. Because:MarqueeMark said:
£23bn.eek said:
Hinkley C is currently over budget at £22bn so I suspect 10 will be cheaper than 1.MarqueeMark said:
I bet that 10 prove to be more than the cost of one.....eek said:
BecauseMarqueeMark said:
So why build 10 mini-nukes on the site of an existing nuke???eek said:
I really can't see the issue - this is baseline energy that we need to have. Logical places are where-ever existing nuclear power stations are provided they have enough connectivity.Gallowgate said:
I’d have one next door if it meant cheap electricity with no carbon emissions.MarqueeMark said:
Show me an MP that wants a "mini-nuke" in their constituency. If ever an issue was tailor-made for the LibDem nimbys....CarlottaVance said:UK to build mini-nuclear reactors:
https://amp.theguardian.com/business/2021/oct/15/uk-poised-to-confirm-funding-for-mini-nuclear-reactors-for-green-energy
Very sad news today. Really affected me.
1) the sites already exist and have appropriate security that only needs to be extended.
2) suitable workforce already exist
3) a lot of the sites are time served and due to be decommissioned over the next x years.
4) mini-nukes as I believe MaxPB mentioned before a great because when you need to service one you only lose 470MW of power rather than GWs...
And it depends how the one goes offline!
There has never been a nuclear plant built without massive public and customer subsidies.
However small they make them.
(a) you can iterate the design, getting cheaper (and better) with every version
and
(b) you don't have the issue that HPC has that when it goes down for maintenance (often unscheduled), you lose 15% of the UK's generating capacity.
I would hope that RR is taking the financial risk here, because its shareholders will be the principle beneficiaries. Nevertheless, if the RR design works (and works cost efficiently), then it will be a big step towards introducing more resilience in UK energy supply.3 -
You should keep your thoughts to yourselfHYUFD said:
It is not much speculation to say that Somalia is 99% Muslim and a minority of those will be Jihadis unfortunately.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I am not sure we should be speculating at this stageHYUFD said:
It does look like this has all the signs of a jihadi attack, to be fair to Rayner although her remarks were wrong she cannot be blamed for this appalling crimeCarlottaVance said:BBC-NEWS Terrorism officers to lead Amess case.
Let the police do their job
It is just statement of the obvious
You are not helping
Wait for the police to comment0 -
Yes, thanks. I do think your points have validity. Also, the excess deaths info that @RodD linked to is important.Philip_Thompson said:
That can't be determined for certain. Aren't an extremely large proportion of our cases coming from kids who don't have symptoms but are getting tested?Benpointer said:
To check I understand you: we are doing more tests so are seeing more cases...Philip_Thompson said:
More testing finding cases.Benpointer said:Off topic: Anyone got any ideas why the UK is persistently seeing a rate of covid deaths per million nearly triple those seen in France, Germany and Italy?
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/oct/15/why-britons-are-tolerating-sky-high-covid-rates-and-why-this-may-not-last
Is there any sign that excess deaths are actually higher?
According to Statista you're right, but not right enough. We're doing twice as many tests per million as France but seeing 10 times as many cases.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1104645/covid19-testing-rate-select-countries-worldwide/
If they weren't getting tested that could wipe out a large portion of our "cases" and we'd be little the wiser.1 -
Yes, we have national instructions from Labour to suspend all activity.ydoethur said:
Well, there isn’t much you *can* do, but that’s a decent gesture on your part. (Not that I would have expected anything else.)Barnesian said:I've just emailed all my deliverers to suspend all deliveries of our political leaflets this weekend as a mark of respect and in solidarity across all political parties. It's hard to know what more to do personally.
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Just back from my drive home, and how I wish my R4 & 5 listening could have again been filled with inane chat about Adele's new song..
The tributes that I listened to instead for Sir David Amess were heart breaking in their seemingly absolute sincerity. I can't remember everyone I heard speak so fondly about him, but every single one did. The local leaders of the RC & CoE churches were on at the same time, and both deeply saddened by the loss of someone they knew they could rely on to seriously and compassionately engage with them.
Yvette Cooper was on, and rightly refusing to be dragged into the presenter's annoying questions about MP safety policy, insisting that she get the chance to express her sadness and let everybody know what a decent man we've lost.
The most moving for me, though, was a recording of Tim Montgomerie talking about him. Apparently Tim has been having mental health issues and Sir David called him up to check on him a couple of weeks ago to see how he was doing. Tim said "Yeah fine", Amess wouldn't let it drop and continued to gently probe on it (while making lots of silly jokes to try to keep the mood light and spirits up), and Tim admitted he had been in a really dark place but was feeling better. David then insisted that Tim call him if he gets in that dark place again. Tim agrees David makes him promise. Montgomerie sounded in tears when he said, "I did, but now I won't be able to"7 -
Oh dear. If true the extreme left and right will be in some appalling pissing contest over this and the death of a public servant will be totally overlooked.Casino_Royale said:GB News - suspect is understood to be a 25-year old Somalian national.
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Not helpful.HYUFD said:
It is not much speculation to say that Somalia is 99% Muslim and a minority of those will be Jihadis unfortunately.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I am not sure we should be speculating at this stageHYUFD said:
It does look like this has all the signs of a jihadi attack, to be fair to Rayner although her remarks were wrong she cannot be blamed for this appalling crimeCarlottaVance said:BBC-NEWS Terrorism officers to lead Amess case.
Let the police do their job
It is just statement of the obvious
Let’s get the facts first. Not idle speculation1 -
I think you will find that Lestrade of the Yard often has a word in hyufd's shell-like when the trail goes cold...Big_G_NorthWales said:
You should keep your thoughts to yourselfHYUFD said:
It is not much speculation to say that Somalia is 99% Muslim and a minority of those will be Jihadis unfortunately.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I am not sure we should be speculating at this stageHYUFD said:
It does look like this has all the signs of a jihadi attack, to be fair to Rayner although her remarks were wrong she cannot be blamed for this appalling crimeCarlottaVance said:BBC-NEWS Terrorism officers to lead Amess case.
Let the police do their job
It is just statement of the obvious
You are not helping
Wait for the police to comment1 -
Why is it the best of us who pay the price of hateBlancheLivermore said:Just back from my drive home, and how I wish my R4 & 5 listening could have again been filled with inane chat about Adele's new song..
The tributes that I listened to instead for Sir David Amess were heart breaking in their seemingly absolute sincerity. I can't remember everyone I heard speak so fondly about him, but every single one did. The local leaders of the RC & CoE churches were on at the same time, and both deeply saddened by the loss of someone they knew they could rely on to seriously and compassionately engage with them.
Yvette Cooper was on, and rightly refusing to be dragged into the presenter's annoying questions about MP safety policy, insisting that she get the chance to express her sadness and let everybody know what a decent man we've lost.
The most moving for me, though, was a recording of Tim Montgomerie talking about him. Apparently Tim has been having mental health issues and Sir David called him up to check on him a couple of weeks ago to see how he was doing. Tim said "Yeah fine", Amess wouldn't let it drop and continued to gently probe on it (while making lots of silly jokes to try to keep the mood light and spirits up), and Tim admitted he had been in a really dark place but was feeling better. David then insisted that Tim call him if he gets in that dark place again. Tim agrees David makes him promise. Montgomerie sounded in tears when he said, "I did, but now I won't be able to"
This is very emotional and upsetting and our prayers must be with his family and friends2 -
Appalling news1
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I think that is a superb idea.isam said:…
Southend to become a City would be a fitting tributekle4 said:I see Sir David was active on twitter. His pinned tweet? Advertising his constituency surgery.
I'm going to contact my MP about it and encourage the rest of you to do the same.
It would be pretty cool if we could get that to actually happen from @isam 's post on PB!6 -
How many posts before Monsieur Defarge takes a break?Big_G_NorthWales said:
You should keep your thoughts to yourselfHYUFD said:
It is not much speculation to say that Somalia is 99% Muslim and a minority of those will be Jihadis unfortunately.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I am not sure we should be speculating at this stageHYUFD said:
It does look like this has all the signs of a jihadi attack, to be fair to Rayner although her remarks were wrong she cannot be blamed for this appalling crimeCarlottaVance said:BBC-NEWS Terrorism officers to lead Amess case.
Let the police do their job
It is just statement of the obvious
You are not helping
Wait for the police to comment0 -
It is appropriate and legitimate to debate how this particular murder happened, and for any policy responses about it, but the time for that debate is not today.Taz said:
Oh dear. If true the extreme left and right will be in some appalling pissing contest over this and the death of a public servant will be totally overlooked.Casino_Royale said:GB News - suspect is understood to be a 25-year old Somalian national.
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These are all facts. A man has been arrested from Somalia, a country which is 99% Muslim and which has a significant Jihadi extremist presence. Sir David was also a well known ally of Israel, hence the Israeli Foreign Minister has also tweeted his condolences.Taz said:
Not helpful.HYUFD said:
It is not much speculation to say that Somalia is 99% Muslim and a minority of those will be Jihadis unfortunately.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I am not sure we should be speculating at this stageHYUFD said:
It does look like this has all the signs of a jihadi attack, to be fair to Rayner although her remarks were wrong she cannot be blamed for this appalling crimeCarlottaVance said:BBC-NEWS Terrorism officers to lead Amess case.
Let the police do their job
It is just statement of the obvious
Let’s get the facts first. Not idle speculation
Now obviously nothing can be confirmed yet but the facts all point one way0 -
I loathe people who post +1, but +1.BlancheLivermore said:
I think that is a superb idea.isam said:…
Southend to become a City would be a fitting tributekle4 said:I see Sir David was active on twitter. His pinned tweet? Advertising his constituency surgery.
I'm going to contact my MP about it and encourage the rest of you to do the same.
It would be pretty cool if we could get that to actually happen from @isam 's post on PB!1 -
Couldn’t we just start a petition on parliament’s website? If there isn’t one already?BlancheLivermore said:
I think that is a superb idea.isam said:…
Southend to become a City would be a fitting tributekle4 said:I see Sir David was active on twitter. His pinned tweet? Advertising his constituency surgery.
I'm going to contact my MP about it and encourage the rest of you to do the same.
It would be pretty cool if we could get that to actually happen from @isam 's post on PB!1 -
Have just text my MP who is a personal friend to this effect and he was very close to Sir DavidBlancheLivermore said:
I think that is a superb idea.isam said:…
Southend to become a City would be a fitting tributekle4 said:I see Sir David was active on twitter. His pinned tweet? Advertising his constituency surgery.
I'm going to contact my MP about it and encourage the rest of you to do the same.
It would be pretty cool if we could get that to actually happen from @isam 's post on PB!3 -
Off topic: moaning about awful media for a diversion.
Just listening to a bit of France 24 on COP26, with the expert commentator being a chap from Daily Beast called Nico Hines.
'In the last week or two, the UK has even switched out coal fired power stations back on, which means that when COP26 is happening, all the TV and lights and everything else will be powered by coal.'
Silly twit somehow forgot to mention - or doesn't know - that in 2020 coal delivered .. er .. 1.2% of our electricity.0 -
Sunak really is the heir to Gordon Brown.
Nerd alert:
Sunak has told his independent* fiscal watchdog to use out of date data for the Budget forecast
It’ll guarantee a big upgrade in level of UK output in next year’s Budget, just in time for the election
*doesn’t feel so independent today
https://twitter.com/ChrisGiles_/status/14490704578068562040 -
+1IshmaelZ said:
I loathe people who post +1, but +1.BlancheLivermore said:
I think that is a superb idea.isam said:…
Southend to become a City would be a fitting tributekle4 said:I see Sir David was active on twitter. His pinned tweet? Advertising his constituency surgery.
I'm going to contact my MP about it and encourage the rest of you to do the same.
It would be pretty cool if we could get that to actually happen from @isam 's post on PB!
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Maybe you should take a breakRoger said:
How many posts before Monsieur Defarge takes a break?Big_G_NorthWales said:
You should keep your thoughts to yourselfHYUFD said:
It is not much speculation to say that Somalia is 99% Muslim and a minority of those will be Jihadis unfortunately.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I am not sure we should be speculating at this stageHYUFD said:
It does look like this has all the signs of a jihadi attack, to be fair to Rayner although her remarks were wrong she cannot be blamed for this appalling crimeCarlottaVance said:BBC-NEWS Terrorism officers to lead Amess case.
Let the police do their job
It is just statement of the obvious
You are not helping
Wait for the police to comment1 -
+1turbotubbs said:
+1IshmaelZ said:
I loathe people who post +1, but +1.BlancheLivermore said:
I think that is a superb idea.isam said:…
Southend to become a City would be a fitting tributekle4 said:I see Sir David was active on twitter. His pinned tweet? Advertising his constituency surgery.
I'm going to contact my MP about it and encourage the rest of you to do the same.
It would be pretty cool if we could get that to actually happen from @isam 's post on PB!
(Sorry, couldn’t stop meeself)
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Evening all
An awful and thoroughly depressing end to the week. So many beautiful and generous words have been uttered and I can't really add to them.
My sense is that MPs themselves are the last people who would want to be cut off from public access and accessibility - they are individually and collectively aware of the risks their role has and the notion of being removed from that access, even in the name of security, would be anathema.6 -
That is a terrible post and I am not at all sure the party would be happy if they knew a representative was putting that outHYUFD said:
These are all facts. A man has been arrested from Somalia, a country which is 99% Muslim and which has a significant Jihadi extremist presence. Sir David was also a well known ally of Israel, hence the Israeli Foreign Minister has also tweeted his condolences.Taz said:
Not helpful.HYUFD said:
It is not much speculation to say that Somalia is 99% Muslim and a minority of those will be Jihadis unfortunately.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I am not sure we should be speculating at this stageHYUFD said:
It does look like this has all the signs of a jihadi attack, to be fair to Rayner although her remarks were wrong she cannot be blamed for this appalling crimeCarlottaVance said:BBC-NEWS Terrorism officers to lead Amess case.
Let the police do their job
It is just statement of the obvious
Let’s get the facts first. Not idle speculation
Now obviously nothing can be confirmed yet but the facts all point one way0 -
That’s the guy who went to the Rio olympics, logged on to Grindr and outed a load of athletes. He’s a seriously scummy “journalist”MattW said:Off topic: moaning about awful media for a diversion.
Just listening to a bit of France 24 on COP26, with the expert commentator being a chap from Daily Beast called Nico Hines.
'In the last week or two, the UK has even switched out coal fired power stations back on, which means that when COP26 is happening, all the TV and lights and everything else will be powered by coal.'
Silly twit somehow forgot to mention - or doesn't know - that in 2020 coal delivered .. er .. 1.2% of our electricity.
https://slate.com/human-interest/2017/03/nico-hines-of-the-daily-beast-olympics-grindr-story-is-back.amp1 -
Agreed. Also agree when you say we should wait for the facts. Speculation may, as CS Forester said, be a fascinating thing but it is both unprofitable and tasteless in these circumstances.Big_G_NorthWales said:
That is a terrible post and I am not at all sure the party would be happy if they knew a representative was putting that outHYUFD said:
These are all facts. A man has been arrested from Somalia, a country which is 99% Muslim and which has a significant Jihadi extremist presence. Sir David was also a well known ally of Israel, hence the Israeli Foreign Minister has also tweeted his condolences.Taz said:
Not helpful.HYUFD said:
It is not much speculation to say that Somalia is 99% Muslim and a minority of those will be Jihadis unfortunately.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I am not sure we should be speculating at this stageHYUFD said:
It does look like this has all the signs of a jihadi attack, to be fair to Rayner although her remarks were wrong she cannot be blamed for this appalling crimeCarlottaVance said:BBC-NEWS Terrorism officers to lead Amess case.
Let the police do their job
It is just statement of the obvious
Let’s get the facts first. Not idle speculation
Now obviously nothing can be confirmed yet but the facts all point one way1 -
Can you imagine if HYUFD was a barrister and that was the case for the prosecution.HYUFD said:
These are all facts. A man has been arrested from Somalia, a country which is 99% Muslim and which has a significant Jihadi extremist presence. Sir David was also a well known ally of Israel, hence the Israeli Foreign Minister has also tweeted his condolences.Taz said:
Not helpful.HYUFD said:
It is not much speculation to say that Somalia is 99% Muslim and a minority of those will be Jihadis unfortunately.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I am not sure we should be speculating at this stageHYUFD said:
It does look like this has all the signs of a jihadi attack, to be fair to Rayner although her remarks were wrong she cannot be blamed for this appalling crimeCarlottaVance said:BBC-NEWS Terrorism officers to lead Amess case.
Let the police do their job
It is just statement of the obvious
Let’s get the facts first. Not idle speculation
Now obviously nothing can be confirmed yet but the facts all point one way0 -
+1turbotubbs said:
+1IshmaelZ said:
I loathe people who post +1, but +1.BlancheLivermore said:
I think that is a superb idea.isam said:…
Southend to become a City would be a fitting tributekle4 said:I see Sir David was active on twitter. His pinned tweet? Advertising his constituency surgery.
I'm going to contact my MP about it and encourage the rest of you to do the same.
It would be pretty cool if we could get that to actually happen from @isam 's post on PB!
(Sorry, couldn’t stop meeself)0 -
On Southend as a City, just sent to my MP:
--------------------------
Lee
Please would you offer my condolences as part of any tribute you are
able to offer to David Amess MP.
I'm thinking about everyone's safety, including your own.
May I suggest that an appropriate tribute would be for Southend to be
granted City status, as I understand that that was a cause very close
to David's heart?
All the best
---------------------------
I'm not really up for making this a petition, but I think it is an excellent thought.9 -
They are all facts and indisputable but if you want to ignore them that is up to you.Big_G_NorthWales said:
That is a terrible post and I am not at all sure the party would be happy if they knew a representative was putting that outHYUFD said:
These are all facts. A man has been arrested from Somalia, a country which is 99% Muslim and which has a significant Jihadi extremist presence. Sir David was also a well known ally of Israel, hence the Israeli Foreign Minister has also tweeted his condolences.Taz said:
Not helpful.HYUFD said:
It is not much speculation to say that Somalia is 99% Muslim and a minority of those will be Jihadis unfortunately.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I am not sure we should be speculating at this stageHYUFD said:
It does look like this has all the signs of a jihadi attack, to be fair to Rayner although her remarks were wrong she cannot be blamed for this appalling crimeCarlottaVance said:BBC-NEWS Terrorism officers to lead Amess case.
Let the police do their job
It is just statement of the obvious
Let’s get the facts first. Not idle speculation
Now obviously nothing can be confirmed yet but the facts all point one way
99% of Tory voters will agree we must tighten our immigration system to ensure terrorists do not get through if that does turn out to be the case. Nothing is 100% certain yet of course but all the signs point to a jihadi extremist terrorist, hence the counter terrorism unit has taken over the murder investigation0 -
Why ?BlancheLivermore said:
I think that is a superb idea.isam said:…
Southend to become a City would be a fitting tributekle4 said:I see Sir David was active on twitter. His pinned tweet? Advertising his constituency surgery.
I'm going to contact my MP about it and encourage the rest of you to do the same.
It would be pretty cool if we could get that to actually happen from @isam 's post on PB!
If Southend didn’t merit being awarded city status prior to this awful event why should it get it on the back of this atrocity.1 -
Now is neither the time or the place and I would expect central office would agreeHYUFD said:
They are all facts and indistiputable but if you want to ignore them that is up to youBig_G_NorthWales said:
That is a terrible post and I am not at all sure the party would be happy if they knew a representative was putting that outHYUFD said:
These are all facts. A man has been arrested from Somalia, a country which is 99% Muslim and which has a significant Jihadi extremist presence. Sir David was also a well known ally of Israel, hence the Israeli Foreign Minister has also tweeted his condolences.Taz said:
Not helpful.HYUFD said:
It is not much speculation to say that Somalia is 99% Muslim and a minority of those will be Jihadis unfortunately.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I am not sure we should be speculating at this stageHYUFD said:
It does look like this has all the signs of a jihadi attack, to be fair to Rayner although her remarks were wrong she cannot be blamed for this appalling crimeCarlottaVance said:BBC-NEWS Terrorism officers to lead Amess case.
Let the police do their job
It is just statement of the obvious
Let’s get the facts first. Not idle speculation
Now obviously nothing can be confirmed yet but the facts all point one way0 -
I've been asked to do a tribute for David on LBC tomorrow morning (probably 850) and a Mail article to appear next week - will be an opportunity to stress the importance of respect for people who work to serve the community, regardless of whether we agree with them on one or another issue.24
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Can anyone with a WSJ subscription read this article and tell me if it is as unbelievable as the headline suggests?
https://twitter.com/EpsilonTheory/status/1449030584538484737?t=9RB0Yh5154TG6lex2uM0QQ&s=190 -
I’m not saying debate is inappropriate. I just think debate will go one way, sadly.Aslan said:
It is appropriate and legitimate to debate how this particular murder happened, and for any policy responses about it, but the time for that debate is not today.Taz said:
Oh dear. If true the extreme left and right will be in some appalling pissing contest over this and the death of a public servant will be totally overlooked.Casino_Royale said:GB News - suspect is understood to be a 25-year old Somalian national.
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Well, if my Doctors tell me to give up my evening Martini at 95, I'll consider myself ahead...
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To be pedantic I think at this stage the line in newspapers is "believed to be Somali".HYUFD said:
They are all facts and indisputable but if you want to ignore them that is up to you.Big_G_NorthWales said:
That is a terrible post and I am not at all sure the party would be happy if they knew a representative was putting that outHYUFD said:
These are all facts. A man has been arrested from Somalia, a country which is 99% Muslim and which has a significant Jihadi extremist presence. Sir David was also a well known ally of Israel, hence the Israeli Foreign Minister has also tweeted his condolences.Taz said:
Not helpful.HYUFD said:
It is not much speculation to say that Somalia is 99% Muslim and a minority of those will be Jihadis unfortunately.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I am not sure we should be speculating at this stageHYUFD said:
It does look like this has all the signs of a jihadi attack, to be fair to Rayner although her remarks were wrong she cannot be blamed for this appalling crimeCarlottaVance said:BBC-NEWS Terrorism officers to lead Amess case.
Let the police do their job
It is just statement of the obvious
Let’s get the facts first. Not idle speculation
Now obviously nothing can be confirmed yet but the facts all point one way
99% of Tory voters will agree we must tighten our immigration system to ensure terrorists do not get through if that does turn out to be the case. Nothing is 100% certain yes of course but all the signs point to a jihadi extremist
So let's wait as @Big_G_NorthWales wisely says.1 -
That says a great deal about both Sir David and yourself Nick and how much mutual respect is neededNickPalmer said:I've been asked to do a tribute for David on LBC tomorrow morning (probably 850) and a Mail article to appear next week - will be an opportunity to stress the importance of respect for people who work to serve the community, regardless of whether we agree with them on one or another issue.
It is a great credit to you11 -
Indeed. Been listening to tales of his works for animal rights and work with children with learning difficulties. And of his popularity across the aisle and personal kindness.BlancheLivermore said:Just back from my drive home, and how I wish my R4 & 5 listening could have again been filled with inane chat about Adele's new song..
The tributes that I listened to instead for Sir David Amess were heart breaking in their seemingly absolute sincerity. I can't remember everyone I heard speak so fondly about him, but every single one did. The local leaders of the RC & CoE churches were on at the same time, and both deeply saddened by the loss of someone they knew they could rely on to seriously and compassionately engage with them.
Yvette Cooper was on, and rightly refusing to be dragged into the presenter's annoying questions about MP safety policy, insisting that she get the chance to express her sadness and let everybody know what a decent man we've lost.
The most moving for me, though, was a recording of Tim Montgomerie talking about him. Apparently Tim has been having mental health issues and Sir David called him up to check on him a couple of weeks ago to see how he was doing. Tim said "Yeah fine", Amess wouldn't let it drop and continued to gently probe on it (while making lots of silly jokes to try to keep the mood light and spirits up), and Tim admitted he had been in a really dark place but was feeling better. David then insisted that Tim call him if he gets in that dark place again. Tim agrees David makes him promise. Montgomerie sounded in tears when he said, "I did, but now I won't be able to"
Like Jo Cox, it might be useful to hear such stuff before their deaths.1 -
When you are in a hole stop diggingHYUFD said:
They are all facts and indisputable but if you want to ignore them that is up to you.Big_G_NorthWales said:
That is a terrible post and I am not at all sure the party would be happy if they knew a representative was putting that outHYUFD said:
These are all facts. A man has been arrested from Somalia, a country which is 99% Muslim and which has a significant Jihadi extremist presence. Sir David was also a well known ally of Israel, hence the Israeli Foreign Minister has also tweeted his condolences.Taz said:
Not helpful.HYUFD said:
It is not much speculation to say that Somalia is 99% Muslim and a minority of those will be Jihadis unfortunately.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I am not sure we should be speculating at this stageHYUFD said:
It does look like this has all the signs of a jihadi attack, to be fair to Rayner although her remarks were wrong she cannot be blamed for this appalling crimeCarlottaVance said:BBC-NEWS Terrorism officers to lead Amess case.
Let the police do their job
It is just statement of the obvious
Let’s get the facts first. Not idle speculation
Now obviously nothing can be confirmed yet but the facts all point one way
99% of Tory voters will agree we must tighten our immigration system to ensure terrorists do not get through if that does turn out to be the case. Nothing is 100% certain yet of course but all the signs point to a jihadi extremist terrorist, hence the counter terrorism unit has taken over the murder investigation0 -
Or it could be that he was disgruntled over an asylum application not getting support, or about any of a hundred other issues.HYUFD said:
These are all facts. A man has been arrested from Somalia, a country which is 99% Muslim and which has a significant Jihadi extremist presence. Sir David was also a well known ally of Israel, hence the Israeli Foreign Minister has also tweeted his condolences.Taz said:
Not helpful.HYUFD said:
It is not much speculation to say that Somalia is 99% Muslim and a minority of those will be Jihadis unfortunately.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I am not sure we should be speculating at this stageHYUFD said:
It does look like this has all the signs of a jihadi attack, to be fair to Rayner although her remarks were wrong she cannot be blamed for this appalling crimeCarlottaVance said:BBC-NEWS Terrorism officers to lead Amess case.
Let the police do their job
It is just statement of the obvious
Let’s get the facts first. Not idle speculation
Now obviously nothing can be confirmed yet but the facts all point one way
He is in custody and we will find out soon enough.0 -
I've just sent a very similar missive to my MP.MattW said:On Southend as a City, just sent to my MP:
--------------------------
Lee
Please would you offer my condolences as part of any tribute you are
able to offer to David Amess MP.
I'm thinking about everyone's safety, including your own.
May I suggest that an appropriate tribute would be for Southend to be
granted City status, as I understand that that was a cause very close
to David's heart?
All the best
---------------------------
I'm not really up for making this a petition, but I think it is an excellent thought.
Is there something we can get going on twitter?0 -
The killing of this MP is awful, but aren't there certain objective criteria that should be applied before places are designated as cities?
0 -
The Queen is being lobbied to give Southend City status in Sir David’s memory
https://www.mylondon.news/news/uk-world-news/david-amess-murdered-queen-urged-218745322 -
We got Royal Wooton Basset from a suggestion made on here.BlancheLivermore said:
I think that is a superb idea.isam said:…
Southend to become a City would be a fitting tributekle4 said:I see Sir David was active on twitter. His pinned tweet? Advertising his constituency surgery.
I'm going to contact my MP about it and encourage the rest of you to do the same.
It would be pretty cool if we could get that to actually happen from @isam 's post on PB!1 -
At 95 she can do what she damn well likes...CarlottaVance said:Well, if my Doctors tell me to give up my evening Martini at 95, I'll consider myself ahead...
https://twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/status/1448973883978227739?s=20
0 -
I'm sure you'll do Sir David proudNickPalmer said:I've been asked to do a tribute for David on LBC tomorrow morning (probably 850) and a Mail article to appear next week - will be an opportunity to stress the importance of respect for people who work to serve the community, regardless of whether we agree with them on one or another issue.
3 -
Various people come up with objective criteria - size, university, cathedral, etc - but in England it's simply a matter of receiving a royal city charter.darkage said:The killing of this MP is awful, but aren't there certain objective criteria that should be applied before places are designated as cities?
0 -
That's nice and would be a fitting tribute for Sir David.MattW said:On Southend as a City, just sent to my MP:
--------------------------
Lee
Please would you offer my condolences as part of any tribute you are
able to offer to David Amess MP.
I'm thinking about everyone's safety, including your own.
May I suggest that an appropriate tribute would be for Southend to be
granted City status, as I understand that that was a cause very close
to David's heart?
All the best
---------------------------
I'm not really up for making this a petition, but I think it is an excellent thought.
I'll email something similar to my MP this weekend.0 -
This is not the time to be speculating on whatever monstrous reason whoever the killer is had for what he did.
This is not the time for political or racial pointscoring.
RIP Sir David. Let the Police do their job.2 -
The restaurant has got absolutely panned in all the media I've seen but that doesn't seem to stop people queuing up to try the food.Alistair said:Can anyone with a WSJ subscription read this article and tell me if it is as unbelievable as the headline suggests?
https://twitter.com/EpsilonTheory/status/1449030584538484737?t=9RB0Yh5154TG6lex2uM0QQ&s=190 -
1 - It already has an application in for the Queen's Platinum Jubilee collection of cities.Taz said:
Why ?BlancheLivermore said:
I think that is a superb idea.isam said:…
Southend to become a City would be a fitting tributekle4 said:I see Sir David was active on twitter. His pinned tweet? Advertising his constituency surgery.
I'm going to contact my MP about it and encourage the rest of you to do the same.
It would be pretty cool if we could get that to actually happen from @isam 's post on PB!
If Southend didn’t merit being awarded city status prior to this awful event why should it get it on the back of this atrocity.
2 - And it has the longest pier in the UK.
3 - With a railway on it. 2 -
Really? I drove through there now and then, when I go to see my sister and nephew in Malmesbury.MarqueeMark said:
We got Royal Wooton Basset from a suggestion made on here.BlancheLivermore said:
I think that is a superb idea.isam said:…
Southend to become a City would be a fitting tributekle4 said:I see Sir David was active on twitter. His pinned tweet? Advertising his constituency surgery.
I'm going to contact my MP about it and encourage the rest of you to do the same.
It would be pretty cool if we could get that to actually happen from @isam 's post on PB!0 -
I mean at 95 (around 15 years beyond average female life expectancy) and seemingly amazingly sprightly, I'd tell her to carry on doing what she's been doing and enjoy herself.CarlottaVance said:Well, if my Doctors tell me to give up my evening Martini at 95, I'll consider myself ahead...
https://twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/status/1448973883978227739?s=20
Surprised it's a martini and not GIN for HMQ though...
0 -
I think all I knew of David Amess before today was that he was a backbench Eurosceptic Tory MP.dixiedean said:
Indeed. Been listening to tales of his works for animal rights and work with children with learning difficulties. And of his popularity across the aisle and personal kindness.BlancheLivermore said:Just back from my drive home, and how I wish my R4 & 5 listening could have again been filled with inane chat about Adele's new song..
The tributes that I listened to instead for Sir David Amess were heart breaking in their seemingly absolute sincerity. I can't remember everyone I heard speak so fondly about him, but every single one did. The local leaders of the RC & CoE churches were on at the same time, and both deeply saddened by the loss of someone they knew they could rely on to seriously and compassionately engage with them.
Yvette Cooper was on, and rightly refusing to be dragged into the presenter's annoying questions about MP safety policy, insisting that she get the chance to express her sadness and let everybody know what a decent man we've lost.
The most moving for me, though, was a recording of Tim Montgomerie talking about him. Apparently Tim has been having mental health issues and Sir David called him up to check on him a couple of weeks ago to see how he was doing. Tim said "Yeah fine", Amess wouldn't let it drop and continued to gently probe on it (while making lots of silly jokes to try to keep the mood light and spirits up), and Tim admitted he had been in a really dark place but was feeling better. David then insisted that Tim call him if he gets in that dark place again. Tim agrees David makes him promise. Montgomerie sounded in tears when he said, "I did, but now I won't be able to"
Like Jo Cox, it might be useful to hear such stuff before their deaths.
Perhaps the Good News TV programme could have a segment where opposing politicians praise each other?1 -
Lovely words from Alastair Campbell
ALASTAIR CAMPBELL
@campbellclaret
·
5m
Chatting to
@schooltruth
about David Amess who was a young MP when we were young political journalists. For both of us the strongest memory is that he always had that smile on his face when he walked into members’ lobby. To be remembered for a smile suggests a life well lived 1/2
ALASTAIR CAMPBELL
@campbellclaret
It is awful for his family and for politics that his life ended so soon and so violently. But that smile and the good heart it revealed will be remembered long after the killer is forgotten 2/25 -
100% agreed now is not the time for looking at causes and learning lessons. But I hope there will be a time.1
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'The Independent understands that the suspect is of Somali origin, and the murder is being treated at this point as a probable Islamist terror attack.'Big_G_NorthWales said:
When you are in a hole stop diggingHYUFD said:
They are all facts and indisputable but if you want to ignore them that is up to you.Big_G_NorthWales said:
That is a terrible post and I am not at all sure the party would be happy if they knew a representative was putting that outHYUFD said:
These are all facts. A man has been arrested from Somalia, a country which is 99% Muslim and which has a significant Jihadi extremist presence. Sir David was also a well known ally of Israel, hence the Israeli Foreign Minister has also tweeted his condolences.Taz said:
Not helpful.HYUFD said:
It is not much speculation to say that Somalia is 99% Muslim and a minority of those will be Jihadis unfortunately.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I am not sure we should be speculating at this stageHYUFD said:
It does look like this has all the signs of a jihadi attack, to be fair to Rayner although her remarks were wrong she cannot be blamed for this appalling crimeCarlottaVance said:BBC-NEWS Terrorism officers to lead Amess case.
Let the police do their job
It is just statement of the obvious
Let’s get the facts first. Not idle speculation
Now obviously nothing can be confirmed yet but the facts all point one way
99% of Tory voters will agree we must tighten our immigration system to ensure terrorists do not get through if that does turn out to be the case. Nothing is 100% certain yet of course but all the signs point to a jihadi extremist terrorist, hence the counter terrorism unit has taken over the murder investigation
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/david-amess-mp-stabbed-latest-b1939079.html0 -
Dry martinis are mostly gin...GIN1138 said:
I mean at 95 (around 15 years beyond average female life expectancy) and seemingly amazingly sprightly, I'd tell her to carry on doing what she's been doing and enjoy herself.CarlottaVance said:Well, if my Doctors tell me to give up my evening Martini at 95, I'll consider myself ahead...
https://twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/status/1448973883978227739?s=20
Surprised it's a martini and not GIN for HMQ though...3 -
Would another lasting tribute to Sir David (apart from Southend City) be a “#metoo” type outpouring from MPs where they actively get on their Twitter and say “hey, whilst we think differently about this country I’m actually friends with x, y, z from another party - difference doesn’t mean hate”….. maybe call it #acrosstheaisle
Show the loons that you can disagree without hatred….. and anyone who kicked off at them would be on the wrong side of the argument.3 -
I searched Our World in Data for this information. According to the comparison of current excess mortality versus the average for the five years pre-Covid, and looking at the most recent comparable weekly figures published (for September 26th,) England & Wales had excess mortality of 15% above the long-term trend, whereas the comparable figure for Germany was 10%. Now, these numbers to fluctuate a fair bit - earlier in the Spring and Summer we were often doing rather better than other large European states on this metric; at the moment we're doing a bit worse - but, in any even, it's not exactly a yawning chasm.RobD said:
We constantly hear this, yet the UK is quite middling on the excess death tracker. It suggests differences in reporting more than anything.Benpointer said:Off topic: Anyone got any ideas why the UK is persistently seeing a rate of covid deaths per million nearly triple those seen in France, Germany and Italy?
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/oct/15/why-britons-are-tolerating-sky-high-covid-rates-and-why-this-may-not-last
You also have to wonder what will happen when the heavier restrictions in place in various continental countries, particularly enforcing masks all over the place, are lifted - assuming that this ever happens. To the extent that they are outperforming the UK, will this simply be undone as soon as they let go of public health impositions? I would imagine that most or all of Western Europe has now hit the wall of vaccine refusal, most of the remaining refusers are going to dig their heels in, and the disease ain't going to go away. So, to what extent are face gags actually saving anyone outright, like one can plausibly argue they might've been doing before or during the bulk vaccination programmes, and to what extent are they now merely delaying the inevitable?0 -
RIP Sir David.
As we all know, he represented Basildon between 1983 and 1997, and as some PBers know, the band Depeche Mode are the town's most famous sons.
One of their biggest hits is "People are People", released in 1984, and it contains the lyric:
So we're different colours and we're different creeds
And different people have different needs
It's obvious you hate me though I've done nothing wrong
I've never even met you, so what could I have done7 -
Personally I'm not inclined to that. I don't really want a heavy campaign. And I think the public suggestion would be best from within the communty of MPs (or XMPs).BlancheLivermore said:
I've just sent a very similar missive to my MP.MattW said:On Southend as a City, just sent to my MP:
--------------------------
Lee
Please would you offer my condolences as part of any tribute you are
able to offer to David Amess MP.
I'm thinking about everyone's safety, including your own.
May I suggest that an appropriate tribute would be for Southend to be
granted City status, as I understand that that was a cause very close
to David's heart?
All the best
---------------------------
I'm not really up for making this a petition, but I think it is an excellent thought.
Is there something we can get going on twitter?
Perhaps @NickPalmer could gently raise it tomorrow?
Other will have different views, of course.0 -
On this general topic, I had a quick look and there don't appear to be any Parliamentary petitions mentioning Southend at the moment...MattW said:
1 - It already has an application in for the Queen's Platinum Jubilee collection of cities.Taz said:
Why ?BlancheLivermore said:
I think that is a superb idea.isam said:…
Southend to become a City would be a fitting tributekle4 said:I see Sir David was active on twitter. His pinned tweet? Advertising his constituency surgery.
I'm going to contact my MP about it and encourage the rest of you to do the same.
It would be pretty cool if we could get that to actually happen from @isam 's post on PB!
If Southend didn’t merit being awarded city status prior to this awful event why should it get it on the back of this atrocity.
2 - And it has the longest pier in the UK.
3 - With a railway on it.
And the pier is rather marvellous.0 -
Always been a fan of this song. Apparently the band don't sing it anymore because they think the lyrics are too simplistic, which is regrettable IMO.Sunil_Prasannan said:RIP Sir David.
As we all know, he represented Basildon between 1983 and 1997, and as some PBers know, the band Depeche Mode are the town's most famous sons.
One of their biggest hits is "People are People", released in 1984, and it contains the lyric:
So we're different colours and we're different creeds
And different people have different needs
It's obvious you hate me though I've done nothing wrong
I've never even met you, so what could I have done2 -
Because it fulfills a human need to try and do something when confronted with evil.Taz said:
Why ?BlancheLivermore said:
I think that is a superb idea.isam said:…
Southend to become a City would be a fitting tributekle4 said:I see Sir David was active on twitter. His pinned tweet? Advertising his constituency surgery.
I'm going to contact my MP about it and encourage the rest of you to do the same.
It would be pretty cool if we could get that to actually happen from @isam 's post on PB!
If Southend didn’t merit being awarded city status prior to this awful event why should it get it on the back of this atrocity.
At least this is a basically harmless idea; but it could have some perverse consequences for the process of designating cities in the future.0 -
In such exceptional circumstances, being bigger than Wells should be enough.darkage said:The killing of this MP is awful, but aren't there certain objective criteria that should be applied before places are designated as cities?
0 -
We did that on PB one Christmas - we all had the challenge of saying something positive about someone who we totally disagreed with (and cheating by saying "I love his idiocy" and the like was not counted). Some surprising tributes came up and it was a pretty good Christmas experience.LostPassword said:
I think all I knew of David Amess before today was that he was a backbench Eurosceptic Tory MP.dixiedean said:
Indeed. Been listening to tales of his works for animal rights and work with children with learning difficulties. And of his popularity across the aisle and personal kindness.BlancheLivermore said:Just back from my drive home, and how I wish my R4 & 5 listening could have again been filled with inane chat about Adele's new song..
The tributes that I listened to instead for Sir David Amess were heart breaking in their seemingly absolute sincerity. I can't remember everyone I heard speak so fondly about him, but every single one did. The local leaders of the RC & CoE churches were on at the same time, and both deeply saddened by the loss of someone they knew they could rely on to seriously and compassionately engage with them.
Yvette Cooper was on, and rightly refusing to be dragged into the presenter's annoying questions about MP safety policy, insisting that she get the chance to express her sadness and let everybody know what a decent man we've lost.
The most moving for me, though, was a recording of Tim Montgomerie talking about him. Apparently Tim has been having mental health issues and Sir David called him up to check on him a couple of weeks ago to see how he was doing. Tim said "Yeah fine", Amess wouldn't let it drop and continued to gently probe on it (while making lots of silly jokes to try to keep the mood light and spirits up), and Tim admitted he had been in a really dark place but was feeling better. David then insisted that Tim call him if he gets in that dark place again. Tim agrees David makes him promise. Montgomerie sounded in tears when he said, "I did, but now I won't be able to"
Like Jo Cox, it might be useful to hear such stuff before their deaths.
Perhaps the Good News TV programme could have a segment where opposing politicians praise each other?7 -
You are an elected representative of the conservative party and as such you should not be involved in speculation on motives and leave that to the gossip columnsHYUFD said:
'The Independent understands that the suspect is of Somali origin, and the murder is being treated at this point as a probable Islamist terror attack.'Big_G_NorthWales said:
When you are in a hole stop diggingHYUFD said:
They are all facts and indisputable but if you want to ignore them that is up to you.Big_G_NorthWales said:
That is a terrible post and I am not at all sure the party would be happy if they knew a representative was putting that outHYUFD said:
These are all facts. A man has been arrested from Somalia, a country which is 99% Muslim and which has a significant Jihadi extremist presence. Sir David was also a well known ally of Israel, hence the Israeli Foreign Minister has also tweeted his condolences.Taz said:
Not helpful.HYUFD said:
It is not much speculation to say that Somalia is 99% Muslim and a minority of those will be Jihadis unfortunately.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I am not sure we should be speculating at this stageHYUFD said:
It does look like this has all the signs of a jihadi attack, to be fair to Rayner although her remarks were wrong she cannot be blamed for this appalling crimeCarlottaVance said:BBC-NEWS Terrorism officers to lead Amess case.
Let the police do their job
It is just statement of the obvious
Let’s get the facts first. Not idle speculation
Now obviously nothing can be confirmed yet but the facts all point one way
99% of Tory voters will agree we must tighten our immigration system to ensure terrorists do not get through if that does turn out to be the case. Nothing is 100% certain yet of course but all the signs point to a jihadi extremist terrorist, hence the counter terrorism unit has taken over the murder investigation
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/david-amess-mp-stabbed-latest-b1939079.html
I have heard from many politicians today and not one of them has said anything but praise for Sir David
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At one time I think he was one of only about 5 Tory MPs to oppose fox hunting, (although the number is probably a lot higher now).NickPalmer said:I've been asked to do a tribute for David on LBC tomorrow morning (probably 850) and a Mail article to appear next week - will be an opportunity to stress the importance of respect for people who work to serve the community, regardless of whether we agree with them on one or another issue.
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It is but they do have a great back catalogue.Andy_JS said:
Always been a fan of this song. Apparently the band don't sing it anymore because they think the lyrics are too simplistic, which is regrettable IMO.Sunil_Prasannan said:RIP Sir David.
As we all know, he represented Basildon between 1983 and 1997, and as some PBers know, the band Depeche Mode are the town's most famous sons.
One of their biggest hits is "People are People", released in 1984, and it contains the lyric:
So we're different colours and we're different creeds
And different people have different needs
It's obvious you hate me though I've done nothing wrong
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Odds for HY to be selected as the Conservative candidate in the by election?0
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I remember that, it was really sweet some of the things people wrote.NickPalmer said:
We did that on PB one Christmas - we all had the challenge of saying something positive about someone who we totally disagreed with (and cheating by saying "I love his idiocy" and the like was not counted). Some surprising tributes came up and it was a pretty good Christmas experience.LostPassword said:
I think all I knew of David Amess before today was that he was a backbench Eurosceptic Tory MP.dixiedean said:
Indeed. Been listening to tales of his works for animal rights and work with children with learning difficulties. And of his popularity across the aisle and personal kindness.BlancheLivermore said:Just back from my drive home, and how I wish my R4 & 5 listening could have again been filled with inane chat about Adele's new song..
The tributes that I listened to instead for Sir David Amess were heart breaking in their seemingly absolute sincerity. I can't remember everyone I heard speak so fondly about him, but every single one did. The local leaders of the RC & CoE churches were on at the same time, and both deeply saddened by the loss of someone they knew they could rely on to seriously and compassionately engage with them.
Yvette Cooper was on, and rightly refusing to be dragged into the presenter's annoying questions about MP safety policy, insisting that she get the chance to express her sadness and let everybody know what a decent man we've lost.
The most moving for me, though, was a recording of Tim Montgomerie talking about him. Apparently Tim has been having mental health issues and Sir David called him up to check on him a couple of weeks ago to see how he was doing. Tim said "Yeah fine", Amess wouldn't let it drop and continued to gently probe on it (while making lots of silly jokes to try to keep the mood light and spirits up), and Tim admitted he had been in a really dark place but was feeling better. David then insisted that Tim call him if he gets in that dark place again. Tim agrees David makes him promise. Montgomerie sounded in tears when he said, "I did, but now I won't be able to"
Like Jo Cox, it might be useful to hear such stuff before their deaths.
Perhaps the Good News TV programme could have a segment where opposing politicians praise each other?
I can't remember who I wrote about.0 -
Does it have a thriving craft beer scene ?MattW said:
1 - It already has an application in for the Queen's Platinum Jubilee collection of cities.Taz said:
Why ?BlancheLivermore said:
I think that is a superb idea.isam said:…
Southend to become a City would be a fitting tributekle4 said:I see Sir David was active on twitter. His pinned tweet? Advertising his constituency surgery.
I'm going to contact my MP about it and encourage the rest of you to do the same.
It would be pretty cool if we could get that to actually happen from @isam 's post on PB!
If Southend didn’t merit being awarded city status prior to this awful event why should it get it on the back of this atrocity.
2 - And it has the longest pier in the UK.
3 - With a railway on it.1 -
This brings to mind the experience of Laura Pidcock, who memorably announced that she could never be friends with a tory; and then got voted out in favour of one!boulay said:Would another lasting tribute to Sir David (apart from Southend City) be a “#metoo” type outpouring from MPs where they actively get on their Twitter and say “hey, whilst we think differently about this country I’m actually friends with x, y, z from another party - difference doesn’t mean hate”….. maybe call it #acrosstheaisle
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0. I am not on the CCHQ parliamentary candidates approved list and have no plans to apply for it any time soonSandyRentool said:Odds for HY to be selected as the Conservative candidate in the by election?
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Reflecting, I think the most appropriate way (which may not happenpigeon said:
On this general topic, I had a quick look and there don't appear to be any Parliamentary petitions mentioning Southend at the moment...MattW said:
1 - It already has an application in for the Queen's Platinum Jubilee collection of cities.Taz said:
Why ?BlancheLivermore said:
I think that is a superb idea.isam said:…
Southend to become a City would be a fitting tributekle4 said:I see Sir David was active on twitter. His pinned tweet? Advertising his constituency surgery.
I'm going to contact my MP about it and encourage the rest of you to do the same.
It would be pretty cool if we could get that to actually happen from @isam 's post on PB!
If Southend didn’t merit being awarded city status prior to this awful event why should it get it on the back of this atrocity.
2 - And it has the longest pier in the UK.
3 - With a railway on it.
And the pier is rather marvellous. ) would be a cross-party EDM.
Does @Tissue_Price read here still?
Now, in the possible words of a previous HRH - Where's ma Bombay Sapphire?
Evening all.0
