When did we become a society where going around making death threats has become all too common an activity for some people?
When social media took off?
Perhaps there are things that were once said in the heat of the moment under the influence of drink in a pub which can now be sent immediately to anyone from anywhere with minimal effort. It could be just that it's so much more easy to communicate bile and hatred than it was in the past, not that there is more of it about.
Beginning to think that proof of ID for things like Twitter might be a good thing.
@yairlapid From Israel, we send our deepest condolences to the family, friends and colleagues of Sir David Amess. He always stood with the Jewish community and was a true friend of Israel.
On the lighter side of things, another great day for the legal system - the final bit I've included is a classic bit of euphemistic language. A £3m diamond fraud trial involving The Only Way is Essex star Lewis Bloor has collapsed after the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) admitted it failed to disclose some evidence.
About 200 people were conned into buying coloured diamonds at a 600% mark-up, prosecutors claimed.
Mr Bloor, 31, was accused of playing a "key role" in one company involved.
But he and five others were acquitted after the CPS did not disclose evidence which could have helped the defendants...
"We have come to the conclusion that we cannot confirm to the court that the prosecution has discharged its disclosure duties in this case," he said.
Off topic: Anyone got any ideas why the UK is persistently seeing a rate of covid deaths per million nearly triple those seen in France, Germany and Italy?
Off topic: Anyone got any ideas why the UK is persistently seeing a rate of covid deaths per million nearly triple those seen in France, Germany and Italy?
That can't be determined for certain. Aren't an extremely large proportion of our cases coming from kids who don't have symptoms but are getting tested?
If they weren't getting tested that could wipe out a large portion of our "cases" and we'd be little the wiser.
Show me an MP that wants a "mini-nuke" in their constituency. If ever an issue was tailor-made for the LibDem nimbys....
I’d have one next door if it meant cheap electricity with no carbon emissions.
Very sad news today. Really affected me.
I really can't see the issue - this is baseline energy that we need to have. Logical places are where-ever existing nuclear power stations are provided they have enough connectivity.
So why build 10 mini-nukes on the site of an existing nuke???
Because
1) the sites already exist and have appropriate security that only needs to be extended. 2) suitable workforce already exist 3) a lot of the sites are time served and due to be decommissioned over the next x years.
4) mini-nukes as I believe MaxPB mentioned before a great because when you need to service one you only lose 470MW of power rather than GWs...
I bet that 10 prove to be more than the cost of one.....
And it depends how the one goes offline!
Hinkley C is currently over budget at £22bn so I suspect 10 will be cheaper than 1.
£23bn.
There has never been a nuclear plant built without massive public and customer subsidies.
On the lighter side of things, another great day for the legal system - the final bit I've included is a classic bit of euphemistic language. A £3m diamond fraud trial involving The Only Way is Essex star Lewis Bloor has collapsed after the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) admitted it failed to disclose some evidence.
About 200 people were conned into buying coloured diamonds at a 600% mark-up, prosecutors claimed.
Mr Bloor, 31, was accused of playing a "key role" in one company involved.
But he and five others were acquitted after the CPS did not disclose evidence which could have helped the defendants...
"We have come to the conclusion that we cannot confirm to the court that the prosecution has discharged its disclosure duties in this case," he said.
Off topic: Anyone got any ideas why the UK is persistently seeing a rate of covid deaths per million nearly triple those seen in France, Germany and Italy?
Off topic: Anyone got any ideas why the UK is persistently seeing a rate of covid deaths per million nearly triple those seen in France, Germany and Italy?
Off topic: Anyone got any ideas why the UK is persistently seeing a rate of covid deaths per million nearly triple those seen in France, Germany and Italy?
1) We’re interacting much more than they are. If so, then presumably we should get through it quicker than them.
2) Their current numbers are wrong.
3) Far more of them had already come into contact with COVID before the re-opening. In which case, their total death numbers are probably too low.
Your option 2 is a bit blunt. Everyone's covid deaths figures are wrong to a certain extent. The useful measure is age adjusted excess mortality, and we're not exceptional (either up or down) on that measure.
It does look like this has all the signs of a jihadi attack, to be fair to Rayner although her remarks were wrong she cannot be blamed for this appalling crime
Off topic: Anyone got any ideas why the UK is persistently seeing a rate of covid deaths per million nearly triple those seen in France, Germany and Italy?
I've just emailed all my deliverers to suspend all deliveries of our political leaflets this weekend as a mark of respect and in solidarity across all political parties. It's hard to know what more to do personally.
It does look like this has all the signs of a jihadi attack, to be fair to Rayner although her remarks were wrong she cannot be blamed for this appalling crime
I am not sure we should be speculating at this stage
Show me an MP that wants a "mini-nuke" in their constituency. If ever an issue was tailor-made for the LibDem nimbys....
I’d have one next door if it meant cheap electricity with no carbon emissions.
Very sad news today. Really affected me.
I really can't see the issue - this is baseline energy that we need to have. Logical places are where-ever existing nuclear power stations are provided they have enough connectivity.
So why build 10 mini-nukes on the site of an existing nuke???
Because
1) the sites already exist and have appropriate security that only needs to be extended. 2) suitable workforce already exist 3) a lot of the sites are time served and due to be decommissioned over the next x years.
4) mini-nukes as I believe MaxPB mentioned before a great because when you need to service one you only lose 470MW of power rather than GWs...
I bet that 10 prove to be more than the cost of one.....
And it depends how the one goes offline!
Hinkley C is currently over budget at £22bn so I suspect 10 will be cheaper than 1.
£23bn.
There has never been a nuclear plant built without massive public and customer subsidies.
However small they make them.
Though that was the case for wind farms, until it wasn't.
There's far more chance of 10+ mini nukes eventually leading to affordable nukes without subsidies than a single white elephant on its own.
I've just emailed all my deliverers to suspend all deliveries of our political leaflets this weekend as a mark of respect and in solidarity across all political parties. It's hard to know what more to do personally.
Well, there isn’t much you *can* do, but that’s a decent gesture on your part. (Not that I would have expected anything else.)
It does look like this has all the signs of a jihadi attack, to be fair to Rayner although her remarks were wrong she cannot be blamed for this appalling crime
I am not sure we should be speculating at this stage
Let the police do their job
It is not much speculation to say that Somalia is 99% Muslim and a minority of those will be Jihadis unfortunately.
Show me an MP that wants a "mini-nuke" in their constituency. If ever an issue was tailor-made for the LibDem nimbys....
I’d have one next door if it meant cheap electricity with no carbon emissions.
Very sad news today. Really affected me.
I really can't see the issue - this is baseline energy that we need to have. Logical places are where-ever existing nuclear power stations are provided they have enough connectivity.
So why build 10 mini-nukes on the site of an existing nuke???
Because
1) the sites already exist and have appropriate security that only needs to be extended. 2) suitable workforce already exist 3) a lot of the sites are time served and due to be decommissioned over the next x years.
4) mini-nukes as I believe MaxPB mentioned before a great because when you need to service one you only lose 470MW of power rather than GWs...
I bet that 10 prove to be more than the cost of one.....
And it depends how the one goes offline!
Hinkley C is currently over budget at £22bn so I suspect 10 will be cheaper than 1.
£23bn.
There has never been a nuclear plant built without massive public and customer subsidies.
However small they make them.
While that's true, the small modular idea is at least rather more sensible. Because:
(a) you can iterate the design, getting cheaper (and better) with every version
and
(b) you don't have the issue that HPC has that when it goes down for maintenance (often unscheduled), you lose 15% of the UK's generating capacity.
I would hope that RR is taking the financial risk here, because its shareholders will be the principle beneficiaries. Nevertheless, if the RR design works (and works cost efficiently), then it will be a big step towards introducing more resilience in UK energy supply.
It does look like this has all the signs of a jihadi attack, to be fair to Rayner although her remarks were wrong she cannot be blamed for this appalling crime
I am not sure we should be speculating at this stage
Let the police do their job
It is not much speculation to say that Somalia is 99% Muslim and a minority of those will be Jihadis unfortunately.
Off topic: Anyone got any ideas why the UK is persistently seeing a rate of covid deaths per million nearly triple those seen in France, Germany and Italy?
That can't be determined for certain. Aren't an extremely large proportion of our cases coming from kids who don't have symptoms but are getting tested?
If they weren't getting tested that could wipe out a large portion of our "cases" and we'd be little the wiser.
Yes, thanks. I do think your points have validity. Also, the excess deaths info that @RodD linked to is important.
I've just emailed all my deliverers to suspend all deliveries of our political leaflets this weekend as a mark of respect and in solidarity across all political parties. It's hard to know what more to do personally.
Well, there isn’t much you *can* do, but that’s a decent gesture on your part. (Not that I would have expected anything else.)
Yes, we have national instructions from Labour to suspend all activity.
Just back from my drive home, and how I wish my R4 & 5 listening could have again been filled with inane chat about Adele's new song..
The tributes that I listened to instead for Sir David Amess were heart breaking in their seemingly absolute sincerity. I can't remember everyone I heard speak so fondly about him, but every single one did. The local leaders of the RC & CoE churches were on at the same time, and both deeply saddened by the loss of someone they knew they could rely on to seriously and compassionately engage with them.
Yvette Cooper was on, and rightly refusing to be dragged into the presenter's annoying questions about MP safety policy, insisting that she get the chance to express her sadness and let everybody know what a decent man we've lost.
The most moving for me, though, was a recording of Tim Montgomerie talking about him. Apparently Tim has been having mental health issues and Sir David called him up to check on him a couple of weeks ago to see how he was doing. Tim said "Yeah fine", Amess wouldn't let it drop and continued to gently probe on it (while making lots of silly jokes to try to keep the mood light and spirits up), and Tim admitted he had been in a really dark place but was feeling better. David then insisted that Tim call him if he gets in that dark place again. Tim agrees David makes him promise. Montgomerie sounded in tears when he said, "I did, but now I won't be able to"
GB News - suspect is understood to be a 25-year old Somalian national.
Oh dear. If true the extreme left and right will be in some appalling pissing contest over this and the death of a public servant will be totally overlooked.
It does look like this has all the signs of a jihadi attack, to be fair to Rayner although her remarks were wrong she cannot be blamed for this appalling crime
I am not sure we should be speculating at this stage
Let the police do their job
It is not much speculation to say that Somalia is 99% Muslim and a minority of those will be Jihadis unfortunately.
It does look like this has all the signs of a jihadi attack, to be fair to Rayner although her remarks were wrong she cannot be blamed for this appalling crime
I am not sure we should be speculating at this stage
Let the police do their job
It is not much speculation to say that Somalia is 99% Muslim and a minority of those will be Jihadis unfortunately.
It is just statement of the obvious
You should keep your thoughts to yourself
You are not helping
Wait for the police to comment
I think you will find that Lestrade of the Yard often has a word in hyufd's shell-like when the trail goes cold...
Just back from my drive home, and how I wish my R4 & 5 listening could have again been filled with inane chat about Adele's new song..
The tributes that I listened to instead for Sir David Amess were heart breaking in their seemingly absolute sincerity. I can't remember everyone I heard speak so fondly about him, but every single one did. The local leaders of the RC & CoE churches were on at the same time, and both deeply saddened by the loss of someone they knew they could rely on to seriously and compassionately engage with them.
Yvette Cooper was on, and rightly refusing to be dragged into the presenter's annoying questions about MP safety policy, insisting that she get the chance to express her sadness and let everybody know what a decent man we've lost.
The most moving for me, though, was a recording of Tim Montgomerie talking about him. Apparently Tim has been having mental health issues and Sir David called him up to check on him a couple of weeks ago to see how he was doing. Tim said "Yeah fine", Amess wouldn't let it drop and continued to gently probe on it (while making lots of silly jokes to try to keep the mood light and spirits up), and Tim admitted he had been in a really dark place but was feeling better. David then insisted that Tim call him if he gets in that dark place again. Tim agrees David makes him promise. Montgomerie sounded in tears when he said, "I did, but now I won't be able to"
Why is it the best of us who pay the price of hate
This is very emotional and upsetting and our prayers must be with his family and friends
GB News - suspect is understood to be a 25-year old Somalian national.
Oh dear. If true the extreme left and right will be in some appalling pissing contest over this and the death of a public servant will be totally overlooked.
It is appropriate and legitimate to debate how this particular murder happened, and for any policy responses about it, but the time for that debate is not today.
It does look like this has all the signs of a jihadi attack, to be fair to Rayner although her remarks were wrong she cannot be blamed for this appalling crime
I am not sure we should be speculating at this stage
Let the police do their job
It is not much speculation to say that Somalia is 99% Muslim and a minority of those will be Jihadis unfortunately.
It is just statement of the obvious
You should keep your thoughts to yourself
You are not helping
Wait for the police to comment
How many posts before Monsieur Defarge takes a break?
It does look like this has all the signs of a jihadi attack, to be fair to Rayner although her remarks were wrong she cannot be blamed for this appalling crime
I am not sure we should be speculating at this stage
Let the police do their job
It is not much speculation to say that Somalia is 99% Muslim and a minority of those will be Jihadis unfortunately.
It is just statement of the obvious
Not helpful.
Let’s get the facts first. Not idle speculation
These are all facts. A man has been arrested from Somalia, a country which is 99% Muslim and which has a significant Jihadi extremist presence. Sir David was also a well known ally of Israel, hence the Israeli Foreign Minister has also tweeted his condolences.
Now obviously nothing can be confirmed yet but the facts all point one way
Off topic: moaning about awful media for a diversion.
Just listening to a bit of France 24 on COP26, with the expert commentator being a chap from Daily Beast called Nico Hines.
'In the last week or two, the UK has even switched out coal fired power stations back on, which means that when COP26 is happening, all the TV and lights and everything else will be powered by coal.'
Silly twit somehow forgot to mention - or doesn't know - that in 2020 coal delivered .. er .. 1.2% of our electricity.
It does look like this has all the signs of a jihadi attack, to be fair to Rayner although her remarks were wrong she cannot be blamed for this appalling crime
I am not sure we should be speculating at this stage
Let the police do their job
It is not much speculation to say that Somalia is 99% Muslim and a minority of those will be Jihadis unfortunately.
It is just statement of the obvious
You should keep your thoughts to yourself
You are not helping
Wait for the police to comment
How many posts before Monsieur Defarge takes a break?
An awful and thoroughly depressing end to the week. So many beautiful and generous words have been uttered and I can't really add to them.
My sense is that MPs themselves are the last people who would want to be cut off from public access and accessibility - they are individually and collectively aware of the risks their role has and the notion of being removed from that access, even in the name of security, would be anathema.
It does look like this has all the signs of a jihadi attack, to be fair to Rayner although her remarks were wrong she cannot be blamed for this appalling crime
I am not sure we should be speculating at this stage
Let the police do their job
It is not much speculation to say that Somalia is 99% Muslim and a minority of those will be Jihadis unfortunately.
It is just statement of the obvious
Not helpful.
Let’s get the facts first. Not idle speculation
These are all facts. A man has been arrested from Somalia, a country which is 99% Muslim and which has a significant Jihadi extremist presence. Sir David was also a well known ally of Israel, hence the Israeli Foreign Minister has also tweeted his condolences.
Now obviously nothing can be confirmed yet but the facts all point one way
That is a terrible post and I am not at all sure the party would be happy if they knew a representative was putting that out
Off topic: moaning about awful media for a diversion.
Just listening to a bit of France 24 on COP26, with the expert commentator being a chap from Daily Beast called Nico Hines.
'In the last week or two, the UK has even switched out coal fired power stations back on, which means that when COP26 is happening, all the TV and lights and everything else will be powered by coal.'
Silly twit somehow forgot to mention - or doesn't know - that in 2020 coal delivered .. er .. 1.2% of our electricity.
That’s the guy who went to the Rio olympics, logged on to Grindr and outed a load of athletes. He’s a seriously scummy “journalist”
It does look like this has all the signs of a jihadi attack, to be fair to Rayner although her remarks were wrong she cannot be blamed for this appalling crime
I am not sure we should be speculating at this stage
Let the police do their job
It is not much speculation to say that Somalia is 99% Muslim and a minority of those will be Jihadis unfortunately.
It is just statement of the obvious
Not helpful.
Let’s get the facts first. Not idle speculation
These are all facts. A man has been arrested from Somalia, a country which is 99% Muslim and which has a significant Jihadi extremist presence. Sir David was also a well known ally of Israel, hence the Israeli Foreign Minister has also tweeted his condolences.
Now obviously nothing can be confirmed yet but the facts all point one way
That is a terrible post and I am not at all sure the party would be happy if they knew a representative was putting that out
Agreed. Also agree when you say we should wait for the facts. Speculation may, as CS Forester said, be a fascinating thing but it is both unprofitable and tasteless in these circumstances.
It does look like this has all the signs of a jihadi attack, to be fair to Rayner although her remarks were wrong she cannot be blamed for this appalling crime
I am not sure we should be speculating at this stage
Let the police do their job
It is not much speculation to say that Somalia is 99% Muslim and a minority of those will be Jihadis unfortunately.
It is just statement of the obvious
Not helpful.
Let’s get the facts first. Not idle speculation
These are all facts. A man has been arrested from Somalia, a country which is 99% Muslim and which has a significant Jihadi extremist presence. Sir David was also a well known ally of Israel, hence the Israeli Foreign Minister has also tweeted his condolences.
Now obviously nothing can be confirmed yet but the facts all point one way
Can you imagine if HYUFD was a barrister and that was the case for the prosecution.
Please would you offer my condolences as part of any tribute you are able to offer to David Amess MP.
I'm thinking about everyone's safety, including your own.
May I suggest that an appropriate tribute would be for Southend to be granted City status, as I understand that that was a cause very close to David's heart?
All the best ---------------------------
I'm not really up for making this a petition, but I think it is an excellent thought.
It does look like this has all the signs of a jihadi attack, to be fair to Rayner although her remarks were wrong she cannot be blamed for this appalling crime
I am not sure we should be speculating at this stage
Let the police do their job
It is not much speculation to say that Somalia is 99% Muslim and a minority of those will be Jihadis unfortunately.
It is just statement of the obvious
Not helpful.
Let’s get the facts first. Not idle speculation
These are all facts. A man has been arrested from Somalia, a country which is 99% Muslim and which has a significant Jihadi extremist presence. Sir David was also a well known ally of Israel, hence the Israeli Foreign Minister has also tweeted his condolences.
Now obviously nothing can be confirmed yet but the facts all point one way
That is a terrible post and I am not at all sure the party would be happy if they knew a representative was putting that out
They are all facts and indisputable but if you want to ignore them that is up to you.
99% of Tory voters will agree we must tighten our immigration system to ensure terrorists do not get through if that does turn out to be the case. Nothing is 100% certain yet of course but all the signs point to a jihadi extremist terrorist, hence the counter terrorism unit has taken over the murder investigation
It does look like this has all the signs of a jihadi attack, to be fair to Rayner although her remarks were wrong she cannot be blamed for this appalling crime
I am not sure we should be speculating at this stage
Let the police do their job
It is not much speculation to say that Somalia is 99% Muslim and a minority of those will be Jihadis unfortunately.
It is just statement of the obvious
Not helpful.
Let’s get the facts first. Not idle speculation
These are all facts. A man has been arrested from Somalia, a country which is 99% Muslim and which has a significant Jihadi extremist presence. Sir David was also a well known ally of Israel, hence the Israeli Foreign Minister has also tweeted his condolences.
Now obviously nothing can be confirmed yet but the facts all point one way
That is a terrible post and I am not at all sure the party would be happy if they knew a representative was putting that out
They are all facts and indistiputable but if you want to ignore them that is up to you
Now is neither the time or the place and I would expect central office would agree
I've been asked to do a tribute for David on LBC tomorrow morning (probably 850) and a Mail article to appear next week - will be an opportunity to stress the importance of respect for people who work to serve the community, regardless of whether we agree with them on one or another issue.
GB News - suspect is understood to be a 25-year old Somalian national.
Oh dear. If true the extreme left and right will be in some appalling pissing contest over this and the death of a public servant will be totally overlooked.
It is appropriate and legitimate to debate how this particular murder happened, and for any policy responses about it, but the time for that debate is not today.
I’m not saying debate is inappropriate. I just think debate will go one way, sadly.
It does look like this has all the signs of a jihadi attack, to be fair to Rayner although her remarks were wrong she cannot be blamed for this appalling crime
I am not sure we should be speculating at this stage
Let the police do their job
It is not much speculation to say that Somalia is 99% Muslim and a minority of those will be Jihadis unfortunately.
It is just statement of the obvious
Not helpful.
Let’s get the facts first. Not idle speculation
These are all facts. A man has been arrested from Somalia, a country which is 99% Muslim and which has a significant Jihadi extremist presence. Sir David was also a well known ally of Israel, hence the Israeli Foreign Minister has also tweeted his condolences.
Now obviously nothing can be confirmed yet but the facts all point one way
That is a terrible post and I am not at all sure the party would be happy if they knew a representative was putting that out
They are all facts and indisputable but if you want to ignore them that is up to you.
99% of Tory voters will agree we must tighten our immigration system to ensure terrorists do not get through if that does turn out to be the case. Nothing is 100% certain yes of course but all the signs point to a jihadi extremist
To be pedantic I think at this stage the line in newspapers is "believed to be Somali".
I've been asked to do a tribute for David on LBC tomorrow morning (probably 850) and a Mail article to appear next week - will be an opportunity to stress the importance of respect for people who work to serve the community, regardless of whether we agree with them on one or another issue.
That says a great deal about both Sir David and yourself Nick and how much mutual respect is needed
Just back from my drive home, and how I wish my R4 & 5 listening could have again been filled with inane chat about Adele's new song..
The tributes that I listened to instead for Sir David Amess were heart breaking in their seemingly absolute sincerity. I can't remember everyone I heard speak so fondly about him, but every single one did. The local leaders of the RC & CoE churches were on at the same time, and both deeply saddened by the loss of someone they knew they could rely on to seriously and compassionately engage with them.
Yvette Cooper was on, and rightly refusing to be dragged into the presenter's annoying questions about MP safety policy, insisting that she get the chance to express her sadness and let everybody know what a decent man we've lost.
The most moving for me, though, was a recording of Tim Montgomerie talking about him. Apparently Tim has been having mental health issues and Sir David called him up to check on him a couple of weeks ago to see how he was doing. Tim said "Yeah fine", Amess wouldn't let it drop and continued to gently probe on it (while making lots of silly jokes to try to keep the mood light and spirits up), and Tim admitted he had been in a really dark place but was feeling better. David then insisted that Tim call him if he gets in that dark place again. Tim agrees David makes him promise. Montgomerie sounded in tears when he said, "I did, but now I won't be able to"
Indeed. Been listening to tales of his works for animal rights and work with children with learning difficulties. And of his popularity across the aisle and personal kindness. Like Jo Cox, it might be useful to hear such stuff before their deaths.
It does look like this has all the signs of a jihadi attack, to be fair to Rayner although her remarks were wrong she cannot be blamed for this appalling crime
I am not sure we should be speculating at this stage
Let the police do their job
It is not much speculation to say that Somalia is 99% Muslim and a minority of those will be Jihadis unfortunately.
It is just statement of the obvious
Not helpful.
Let’s get the facts first. Not idle speculation
These are all facts. A man has been arrested from Somalia, a country which is 99% Muslim and which has a significant Jihadi extremist presence. Sir David was also a well known ally of Israel, hence the Israeli Foreign Minister has also tweeted his condolences.
Now obviously nothing can be confirmed yet but the facts all point one way
That is a terrible post and I am not at all sure the party would be happy if they knew a representative was putting that out
They are all facts and indisputable but if you want to ignore them that is up to you.
99% of Tory voters will agree we must tighten our immigration system to ensure terrorists do not get through if that does turn out to be the case. Nothing is 100% certain yet of course but all the signs point to a jihadi extremist terrorist, hence the counter terrorism unit has taken over the murder investigation
It does look like this has all the signs of a jihadi attack, to be fair to Rayner although her remarks were wrong she cannot be blamed for this appalling crime
I am not sure we should be speculating at this stage
Let the police do their job
It is not much speculation to say that Somalia is 99% Muslim and a minority of those will be Jihadis unfortunately.
It is just statement of the obvious
Not helpful.
Let’s get the facts first. Not idle speculation
These are all facts. A man has been arrested from Somalia, a country which is 99% Muslim and which has a significant Jihadi extremist presence. Sir David was also a well known ally of Israel, hence the Israeli Foreign Minister has also tweeted his condolences.
Now obviously nothing can be confirmed yet but the facts all point one way
Or it could be that he was disgruntled over an asylum application not getting support, or about any of a hundred other issues.
He is in custody and we will find out soon enough.
Please would you offer my condolences as part of any tribute you are able to offer to David Amess MP.
I'm thinking about everyone's safety, including your own.
May I suggest that an appropriate tribute would be for Southend to be granted City status, as I understand that that was a cause very close to David's heart?
All the best ---------------------------
I'm not really up for making this a petition, but I think it is an excellent thought.
I've been asked to do a tribute for David on LBC tomorrow morning (probably 850) and a Mail article to appear next week - will be an opportunity to stress the importance of respect for people who work to serve the community, regardless of whether we agree with them on one or another issue.
The killing of this MP is awful, but aren't there certain objective criteria that should be applied before places are designated as cities?
Various people come up with objective criteria - size, university, cathedral, etc - but in England it's simply a matter of receiving a royal city charter.
Please would you offer my condolences as part of any tribute you are able to offer to David Amess MP.
I'm thinking about everyone's safety, including your own.
May I suggest that an appropriate tribute would be for Southend to be granted City status, as I understand that that was a cause very close to David's heart?
All the best ---------------------------
I'm not really up for making this a petition, but I think it is an excellent thought.
That's nice and would be a fitting tribute for Sir David.
I'll email something similar to my MP this weekend.
I see Sir David was active on twitter. His pinned tweet? Advertising his constituency surgery.
Southend to become a City would be a fitting tribute
I think that is a superb idea.
I'm going to contact my MP about it and encourage the rest of you to do the same.
It would be pretty cool if we could get that to actually happen from @isam 's post on PB!
Why ?
If Southend didn’t merit being awarded city status prior to this awful event why should it get it on the back of this atrocity.
1 - It already has an application in for the Queen's Platinum Jubilee collection of cities. 2 - And it has the longest pier in the UK. 3 - With a railway on it.
I mean at 95 (around 15 years beyond average female life expectancy) and seemingly amazingly sprightly, I'd tell her to carry on doing what she's been doing and enjoy herself.
Surprised it's a martini and not GIN for HMQ though...
Just back from my drive home, and how I wish my R4 & 5 listening could have again been filled with inane chat about Adele's new song..
The tributes that I listened to instead for Sir David Amess were heart breaking in their seemingly absolute sincerity. I can't remember everyone I heard speak so fondly about him, but every single one did. The local leaders of the RC & CoE churches were on at the same time, and both deeply saddened by the loss of someone they knew they could rely on to seriously and compassionately engage with them.
Yvette Cooper was on, and rightly refusing to be dragged into the presenter's annoying questions about MP safety policy, insisting that she get the chance to express her sadness and let everybody know what a decent man we've lost.
The most moving for me, though, was a recording of Tim Montgomerie talking about him. Apparently Tim has been having mental health issues and Sir David called him up to check on him a couple of weeks ago to see how he was doing. Tim said "Yeah fine", Amess wouldn't let it drop and continued to gently probe on it (while making lots of silly jokes to try to keep the mood light and spirits up), and Tim admitted he had been in a really dark place but was feeling better. David then insisted that Tim call him if he gets in that dark place again. Tim agrees David makes him promise. Montgomerie sounded in tears when he said, "I did, but now I won't be able to"
Indeed. Been listening to tales of his works for animal rights and work with children with learning difficulties. And of his popularity across the aisle and personal kindness. Like Jo Cox, it might be useful to hear such stuff before their deaths.
I think all I knew of David Amess before today was that he was a backbench Eurosceptic Tory MP.
Perhaps the Good News TV programme could have a segment where opposing politicians praise each other?
ALASTAIR CAMPBELL @campbellclaret · 5m Chatting to @schooltruth about David Amess who was a young MP when we were young political journalists. For both of us the strongest memory is that he always had that smile on his face when he walked into members’ lobby. To be remembered for a smile suggests a life well lived 1/2 ALASTAIR CAMPBELL @campbellclaret It is awful for his family and for politics that his life ended so soon and so violently. But that smile and the good heart it revealed will be remembered long after the killer is forgotten 2/2
It does look like this has all the signs of a jihadi attack, to be fair to Rayner although her remarks were wrong she cannot be blamed for this appalling crime
I am not sure we should be speculating at this stage
Let the police do their job
It is not much speculation to say that Somalia is 99% Muslim and a minority of those will be Jihadis unfortunately.
It is just statement of the obvious
Not helpful.
Let’s get the facts first. Not idle speculation
These are all facts. A man has been arrested from Somalia, a country which is 99% Muslim and which has a significant Jihadi extremist presence. Sir David was also a well known ally of Israel, hence the Israeli Foreign Minister has also tweeted his condolences.
Now obviously nothing can be confirmed yet but the facts all point one way
That is a terrible post and I am not at all sure the party would be happy if they knew a representative was putting that out
They are all facts and indisputable but if you want to ignore them that is up to you.
99% of Tory voters will agree we must tighten our immigration system to ensure terrorists do not get through if that does turn out to be the case. Nothing is 100% certain yet of course but all the signs point to a jihadi extremist terrorist, hence the counter terrorism unit has taken over the murder investigation
I mean at 95 (around 15 years beyond average female life expectancy) and seemingly amazingly sprightly, I'd tell her to carry on doing what she's been doing and enjoy herself.
Surprised it's a martini and not GIN for HMQ though...
Would another lasting tribute to Sir David (apart from Southend City) be a “#metoo” type outpouring from MPs where they actively get on their Twitter and say “hey, whilst we think differently about this country I’m actually friends with x, y, z from another party - difference doesn’t mean hate”….. maybe call it #acrosstheaisle
Show the loons that you can disagree without hatred….. and anyone who kicked off at them would be on the wrong side of the argument.
Off topic: Anyone got any ideas why the UK is persistently seeing a rate of covid deaths per million nearly triple those seen in France, Germany and Italy?
We constantly hear this, yet the UK is quite middling on the excess death tracker. It suggests differences in reporting more than anything.
I searched Our World in Data for this information. According to the comparison of current excess mortality versus the average for the five years pre-Covid, and looking at the most recent comparable weekly figures published (for September 26th,) England & Wales had excess mortality of 15% above the long-term trend, whereas the comparable figure for Germany was 10%. Now, these numbers to fluctuate a fair bit - earlier in the Spring and Summer we were often doing rather better than other large European states on this metric; at the moment we're doing a bit worse - but, in any even, it's not exactly a yawning chasm.
You also have to wonder what will happen when the heavier restrictions in place in various continental countries, particularly enforcing masks all over the place, are lifted - assuming that this ever happens. To the extent that they are outperforming the UK, will this simply be undone as soon as they let go of public health impositions? I would imagine that most or all of Western Europe has now hit the wall of vaccine refusal, most of the remaining refusers are going to dig their heels in, and the disease ain't going to go away. So, to what extent are face gags actually saving anyone outright, like one can plausibly argue they might've been doing before or during the bulk vaccination programmes, and to what extent are they now merely delaying the inevitable?
Please would you offer my condolences as part of any tribute you are able to offer to David Amess MP.
I'm thinking about everyone's safety, including your own.
May I suggest that an appropriate tribute would be for Southend to be granted City status, as I understand that that was a cause very close to David's heart?
All the best ---------------------------
I'm not really up for making this a petition, but I think it is an excellent thought.
I've just sent a very similar missive to my MP.
Is there something we can get going on twitter?
Personally I'm not inclined to that. I don't really want a heavy campaign. And I think the public suggestion would be best from within the communty of MPs (or XMPs).
Perhaps @NickPalmer could gently raise it tomorrow?
I see Sir David was active on twitter. His pinned tweet? Advertising his constituency surgery.
Southend to become a City would be a fitting tribute
I think that is a superb idea.
I'm going to contact my MP about it and encourage the rest of you to do the same.
It would be pretty cool if we could get that to actually happen from @isam 's post on PB!
Why ?
If Southend didn’t merit being awarded city status prior to this awful event why should it get it on the back of this atrocity.
1 - It already has an application in for the Queen's Platinum Jubilee collection of cities. 2 - And it has the longest pier in the UK. 3 - With a railway on it.
On this general topic, I had a quick look and there don't appear to be any Parliamentary petitions mentioning Southend at the moment...
Just back from my drive home, and how I wish my R4 & 5 listening could have again been filled with inane chat about Adele's new song..
The tributes that I listened to instead for Sir David Amess were heart breaking in their seemingly absolute sincerity. I can't remember everyone I heard speak so fondly about him, but every single one did. The local leaders of the RC & CoE churches were on at the same time, and both deeply saddened by the loss of someone they knew they could rely on to seriously and compassionately engage with them.
Yvette Cooper was on, and rightly refusing to be dragged into the presenter's annoying questions about MP safety policy, insisting that she get the chance to express her sadness and let everybody know what a decent man we've lost.
The most moving for me, though, was a recording of Tim Montgomerie talking about him. Apparently Tim has been having mental health issues and Sir David called him up to check on him a couple of weeks ago to see how he was doing. Tim said "Yeah fine", Amess wouldn't let it drop and continued to gently probe on it (while making lots of silly jokes to try to keep the mood light and spirits up), and Tim admitted he had been in a really dark place but was feeling better. David then insisted that Tim call him if he gets in that dark place again. Tim agrees David makes him promise. Montgomerie sounded in tears when he said, "I did, but now I won't be able to"
Indeed. Been listening to tales of his works for animal rights and work with children with learning difficulties. And of his popularity across the aisle and personal kindness. Like Jo Cox, it might be useful to hear such stuff before their deaths.
I think all I knew of David Amess before today was that he was a backbench Eurosceptic Tory MP.
Perhaps the Good News TV programme could have a segment where opposing politicians praise each other?
We did that on PB one Christmas - we all had the challenge of saying something positive about someone who we totally disagreed with (and cheating by saying "I love his idiocy" and the like was not counted). Some surprising tributes came up and it was a pretty good Christmas experience.
It does look like this has all the signs of a jihadi attack, to be fair to Rayner although her remarks were wrong she cannot be blamed for this appalling crime
I am not sure we should be speculating at this stage
Let the police do their job
It is not much speculation to say that Somalia is 99% Muslim and a minority of those will be Jihadis unfortunately.
It is just statement of the obvious
Not helpful.
Let’s get the facts first. Not idle speculation
These are all facts. A man has been arrested from Somalia, a country which is 99% Muslim and which has a significant Jihadi extremist presence. Sir David was also a well known ally of Israel, hence the Israeli Foreign Minister has also tweeted his condolences.
Now obviously nothing can be confirmed yet but the facts all point one way
That is a terrible post and I am not at all sure the party would be happy if they knew a representative was putting that out
They are all facts and indisputable but if you want to ignore them that is up to you.
99% of Tory voters will agree we must tighten our immigration system to ensure terrorists do not get through if that does turn out to be the case. Nothing is 100% certain yet of course but all the signs point to a jihadi extremist terrorist, hence the counter terrorism unit has taken over the murder investigation
You are an elected representative of the conservative party and as such you should not be involved in speculation on motives and leave that to the gossip columns
I have heard from many politicians today and not one of them has said anything but praise for Sir David
Maybe you should do the same as any elected representative of the party and keep away from speculation
I've been asked to do a tribute for David on LBC tomorrow morning (probably 850) and a Mail article to appear next week - will be an opportunity to stress the importance of respect for people who work to serve the community, regardless of whether we agree with them on one or another issue.
At one time I think he was one of only about 5 Tory MPs to oppose fox hunting, (although the number is probably a lot higher now).
Just back from my drive home, and how I wish my R4 & 5 listening could have again been filled with inane chat about Adele's new song..
The tributes that I listened to instead for Sir David Amess were heart breaking in their seemingly absolute sincerity. I can't remember everyone I heard speak so fondly about him, but every single one did. The local leaders of the RC & CoE churches were on at the same time, and both deeply saddened by the loss of someone they knew they could rely on to seriously and compassionately engage with them.
Yvette Cooper was on, and rightly refusing to be dragged into the presenter's annoying questions about MP safety policy, insisting that she get the chance to express her sadness and let everybody know what a decent man we've lost.
The most moving for me, though, was a recording of Tim Montgomerie talking about him. Apparently Tim has been having mental health issues and Sir David called him up to check on him a couple of weeks ago to see how he was doing. Tim said "Yeah fine", Amess wouldn't let it drop and continued to gently probe on it (while making lots of silly jokes to try to keep the mood light and spirits up), and Tim admitted he had been in a really dark place but was feeling better. David then insisted that Tim call him if he gets in that dark place again. Tim agrees David makes him promise. Montgomerie sounded in tears when he said, "I did, but now I won't be able to"
Indeed. Been listening to tales of his works for animal rights and work with children with learning difficulties. And of his popularity across the aisle and personal kindness. Like Jo Cox, it might be useful to hear such stuff before their deaths.
I think all I knew of David Amess before today was that he was a backbench Eurosceptic Tory MP.
Perhaps the Good News TV programme could have a segment where opposing politicians praise each other?
We did that on PB one Christmas - we all had the challenge of saying something positive about someone who we totally disagreed with (and cheating by saying "I love his idiocy" and the like was not counted). Some surprising tributes came up and it was a pretty good Christmas experience.
I remember that, it was really sweet some of the things people wrote.
I see Sir David was active on twitter. His pinned tweet? Advertising his constituency surgery.
Southend to become a City would be a fitting tribute
I think that is a superb idea.
I'm going to contact my MP about it and encourage the rest of you to do the same.
It would be pretty cool if we could get that to actually happen from @isam 's post on PB!
Why ?
If Southend didn’t merit being awarded city status prior to this awful event why should it get it on the back of this atrocity.
1 - It already has an application in for the Queen's Platinum Jubilee collection of cities. 2 - And it has the longest pier in the UK. 3 - With a railway on it.
Would another lasting tribute to Sir David (apart from Southend City) be a “#metoo” type outpouring from MPs where they actively get on their Twitter and say “hey, whilst we think differently about this country I’m actually friends with x, y, z from another party - difference doesn’t mean hate”….. maybe call it #acrosstheaisle
Show the loons that you can disagree without hatred….. and anyone who kicked off at them would be on the wrong side of the argument.
This brings to mind the experience of Laura Pidcock, who memorably announced that she could never be friends with a tory; and then got voted out in favour of one!
I see Sir David was active on twitter. His pinned tweet? Advertising his constituency surgery.
Southend to become a City would be a fitting tribute
I think that is a superb idea.
I'm going to contact my MP about it and encourage the rest of you to do the same.
It would be pretty cool if we could get that to actually happen from @isam 's post on PB!
Why ?
If Southend didn’t merit being awarded city status prior to this awful event why should it get it on the back of this atrocity.
1 - It already has an application in for the Queen's Platinum Jubilee collection of cities. 2 - And it has the longest pier in the UK. 3 - With a railway on it.
On this general topic, I had a quick look and there don't appear to be any Parliamentary petitions mentioning Southend at the moment...
And the pier is rather marvellous.
Reflecting, I think the most appropriate way (which may not happen ) would be a cross-party EDM.
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From Israel, we send our deepest condolences to the family, friends and colleagues of Sir David Amess. He always stood with the Jewish community and was a true friend of Israel.
May his memory be for a blessing.
https://twitter.com/yairlapid/status/1449030644336562177?s=20
According to Statista you're right, but not right enough. We're doing twice as many tests per million as France but seeing 10 times as many cases.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1104645/covid19-testing-rate-select-countries-worldwide/
Surely it is easy enough for them to suspend accounts although presumably they can just get a new identity.
If they weren't getting tested that could wipe out a large portion of our "cases" and we'd be little the wiser.
There has never been a nuclear plant built without massive public and customer subsidies.
However small they make them.
Thoughts with his family
Let the police do their job
There's far more chance of 10+ mini nukes eventually leading to affordable nukes without subsidies than a single white elephant on its own.
It is just statement of the obvious
(a) you can iterate the design, getting cheaper (and better) with every version
and
(b) you don't have the issue that HPC has that when it goes down for maintenance (often unscheduled), you lose 15% of the UK's generating capacity.
I would hope that RR is taking the financial risk here, because its shareholders will be the principle beneficiaries. Nevertheless, if the RR design works (and works cost efficiently), then it will be a big step towards introducing more resilience in UK energy supply.
You are not helping
Wait for the police to comment
The tributes that I listened to instead for Sir David Amess were heart breaking in their seemingly absolute sincerity. I can't remember everyone I heard speak so fondly about him, but every single one did. The local leaders of the RC & CoE churches were on at the same time, and both deeply saddened by the loss of someone they knew they could rely on to seriously and compassionately engage with them.
Yvette Cooper was on, and rightly refusing to be dragged into the presenter's annoying questions about MP safety policy, insisting that she get the chance to express her sadness and let everybody know what a decent man we've lost.
The most moving for me, though, was a recording of Tim Montgomerie talking about him. Apparently Tim has been having mental health issues and Sir David called him up to check on him a couple of weeks ago to see how he was doing. Tim said "Yeah fine", Amess wouldn't let it drop and continued to gently probe on it (while making lots of silly jokes to try to keep the mood light and spirits up), and Tim admitted he had been in a really dark place but was feeling better. David then insisted that Tim call him if he gets in that dark place again. Tim agrees David makes him promise. Montgomerie sounded in tears when he said, "I did, but now I won't be able to"
Let’s get the facts first. Not idle speculation
This is very emotional and upsetting and our prayers must be with his family and friends
I'm going to contact my MP about it and encourage the rest of you to do the same.
It would be pretty cool if we could get that to actually happen from @isam 's post on PB!
Now obviously nothing can be confirmed yet but the facts all point one way
Just listening to a bit of France 24 on COP26, with the expert commentator being a chap from Daily Beast called Nico Hines.
'In the last week or two, the UK has even switched out coal fired power stations back on, which means that when COP26 is happening, all the TV and lights and everything else will be powered by coal.'
Silly twit somehow forgot to mention - or doesn't know - that in 2020 coal delivered .. er .. 1.2% of our electricity.
Nerd alert:
Sunak has told his independent* fiscal watchdog to use out of date data for the Budget forecast
It’ll guarantee a big upgrade in level of UK output in next year’s Budget, just in time for the election
*doesn’t feel so independent today
https://twitter.com/ChrisGiles_/status/1449070457806856204
(Sorry, couldn’t stop meeself)
😉
An awful and thoroughly depressing end to the week. So many beautiful and generous words have been uttered and I can't really add to them.
My sense is that MPs themselves are the last people who would want to be cut off from public access and accessibility - they are individually and collectively aware of the risks their role has and the notion of being removed from that access, even in the name of security, would be anathema.
https://slate.com/human-interest/2017/03/nico-hines-of-the-daily-beast-olympics-grindr-story-is-back.amp
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Lee
Please would you offer my condolences as part of any tribute you are
able to offer to David Amess MP.
I'm thinking about everyone's safety, including your own.
May I suggest that an appropriate tribute would be for Southend to be
granted City status, as I understand that that was a cause very close
to David's heart?
All the best
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I'm not really up for making this a petition, but I think it is an excellent thought.
99% of Tory voters will agree we must tighten our immigration system to ensure terrorists do not get through if that does turn out to be the case. Nothing is 100% certain yet of course but all the signs point to a jihadi extremist terrorist, hence the counter terrorism unit has taken over the murder investigation
If Southend didn’t merit being awarded city status prior to this awful event why should it get it on the back of this atrocity.
https://twitter.com/EpsilonTheory/status/1449030584538484737?t=9RB0Yh5154TG6lex2uM0QQ&s=19
https://twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/status/1448973883978227739?s=20
So let's wait as @Big_G_NorthWales wisely says.
It is a great credit to you
Like Jo Cox, it might be useful to hear such stuff before their deaths.
He is in custody and we will find out soon enough.
Is there something we can get going on twitter?
https://www.mylondon.news/news/uk-world-news/david-amess-murdered-queen-urged-21874532
I'll email something similar to my MP this weekend.
This is not the time for political or racial pointscoring.
RIP Sir David. Let the Police do their job.
2 - And it has the longest pier in the UK.
3 - With a railway on it.
Surprised it's a martini and not GIN for HMQ though...
Perhaps the Good News TV programme could have a segment where opposing politicians praise each other?
ALASTAIR CAMPBELL
@campbellclaret
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5m
Chatting to
@schooltruth
about David Amess who was a young MP when we were young political journalists. For both of us the strongest memory is that he always had that smile on his face when he walked into members’ lobby. To be remembered for a smile suggests a life well lived 1/2
ALASTAIR CAMPBELL
@campbellclaret
It is awful for his family and for politics that his life ended so soon and so violently. But that smile and the good heart it revealed will be remembered long after the killer is forgotten 2/2
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/david-amess-mp-stabbed-latest-b1939079.html
Show the loons that you can disagree without hatred….. and anyone who kicked off at them would be on the wrong side of the argument.
You also have to wonder what will happen when the heavier restrictions in place in various continental countries, particularly enforcing masks all over the place, are lifted - assuming that this ever happens. To the extent that they are outperforming the UK, will this simply be undone as soon as they let go of public health impositions? I would imagine that most or all of Western Europe has now hit the wall of vaccine refusal, most of the remaining refusers are going to dig their heels in, and the disease ain't going to go away. So, to what extent are face gags actually saving anyone outright, like one can plausibly argue they might've been doing before or during the bulk vaccination programmes, and to what extent are they now merely delaying the inevitable?
As we all know, he represented Basildon between 1983 and 1997, and as some PBers know, the band Depeche Mode are the town's most famous sons.
One of their biggest hits is "People are People", released in 1984, and it contains the lyric:
So we're different colours and we're different creeds
And different people have different needs
It's obvious you hate me though I've done nothing wrong
I've never even met you, so what could I have done
Perhaps @NickPalmer could gently raise it tomorrow?
Other will have different views, of course.
And the pier is rather marvellous.
At least this is a basically harmless idea; but it could have some perverse consequences for the process of designating cities in the future.
I have heard from many politicians today and not one of them has said anything but praise for Sir David
Maybe you should do the same as any elected representative of the party and keep away from speculation
I can't remember who I wrote about.
Does @Tissue_Price read here still?
Now, in the possible words of a previous HRH - Where's ma Bombay Sapphire?
Evening all.