The attack on Amess is quite shocking – politicalbetting.com
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Hear, hear. Two of the people who've stuck up for me the most on here in the past are left-leaning posters, who I frequently disagree with. I remember that.JosiasJessop said:On MPs saying what nice guy/gal someone from an opposing party was when they sadly die:
It'd be nice if they did more of it whilst they were alive. And this goes for all members, from all parties. Perhaps MPs saying: "we disagree on issues, but she/he is a nice person." When they genuinely think that, of course.
It might help get some of the heat out of politics. Passion is good, but not when it crosses over into hatred.
A few years back, Radio 4 had a short series on MPs who were unlikely friends with MPs from other parties. ISTR Dennis Skinner was good friends with a Conservative after one helped the other whilst wheelchair bound.
(To his credit, Nick Palmer has praised Conservatives in unforced circumstances on may occasions.)
We sometimes let our tempers get the better of us, but there are good people on all sides of the political divide and we should remember the vast majority of us have very positive intentions.10 -
I know it probably isn't the time to get into this now but of course the problem is that, unlike guns, knives are a fundamental tool in everyone's lives. To deal with stabbings you have to deal with the societal issues that lead people to want to try and harm each other and sadly I don't think that is ever something we will find the solution to. That doesn't mean we can't do various things to try and make people safer but 'knife crime' is really just a particularly effective form of violence and it is dealing with the causing of all societal violence that is the issue.Jonathan said:Stabbing is such a horrific way to die. I hope the perpetrator feels the full force of the law.
I appreciate that this is too early, but somehow I hope this is a catalyst for change. Far too many people die from stabbings in the UK. It is utterly essential that MPs can do their work with confidence and without fear.3 -
Thanks - and I will say it was the private norm in Parliament rather than the exception. Frankly MPs of different parties have more in common with each other than people who take a casual interest and post a bit on social media.JosiasJessop said:On MPs saying what nice guy/gal someone from an opposing party was when they sadly die:
It'd be nice if they did more of it whilst they were alive. And this goes for all members, from all parties. Perhaps MPs saying: "we disagree on issues, but she/he is a nice person." When they genuinely think that, of course.
It might help get some of the heat out of politics. Passion is good, but not when it crosses over into hatred.
A few years back, Radio 4 had a short series on MPs who were unlikely friends with MPs from other parties. ISTR Dennis Skinner was good friends with a Conservative after one helped the other whilst wheelchair bound.
(To his credit, Nick Palmer has praised Conservatives in unforced circumstances on may occasions.)
Niceness is a personal characteristics, essentially orthogonal to politics - I've known decent people and less decent people right across the spectrum. But few MPs are devoid of genuine concern for our society, our country and our world.
On the Skinners, Dennis's late brother Gordon had a Conservative councillor (Tom Pettengell) as perhaps his closest friend - they went on walking holidays together in the Peak District. Tom, a rock-ribbed Conservative, sat beside me at Gordon's funeral singing the Red Flag - "I'm very glad to do it for Gordon", he said.19 -
If people protest outside MPs houses en mass (like with JRM) then no person can really be safe.TimS said:I don't know how you improve the security for MPs without getting rid of the constituency surgery (which might just drive the nutters to try other places instead). You could frisk people on their way in but that could be intimidating to a lot of people and wouldn't help with attacks outside the building. A depressing situation where there is no good answer.
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I recently visited a war cemetery in Alsace. French war dead from WW2 and German war dead from WW1. Hard to not be impacted by it. Those that die in public service now should have such a quiet place to be seen to rest.1
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People should not live in fear of a violent death because they step forward to represent their fellow citizens, or work with those who are elected for this task. We have to ask ourselves what has gone wrong in our society when so many do.3 -
There are two conflicting aspects to this. Firstly, people must have the right to lawfully protest. Secondly, the people they are protesting against must not be placed in danger, or feel in danger.Slackbladder said:
If people protest outside MPs houses en mass (like with JRM) then no person can really be safe.TimS said:I don't know how you improve the security for MPs without getting rid of the constituency surgery (which might just drive the nutters to try other places instead). You could frisk people on their way in but that could be intimidating to a lot of people and wouldn't help with attacks outside the building. A depressing situation where there is no good answer.
A part of democracy is about balancing these two factors.0 -
Isn't there one like near Gallipoli; Mehmets and Tommies side by side?Omnium said:I recently visited a war cemetery in Alsace. French war dead from WW2 and German war dead from WW1. Hard to not be impacted by it. Those that die in public service now should have such a quiet place to be seen to rest.
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Ultimately I left my last job because of the overwhelming death threats, I reported over 100 a week once. Usually was around 50 a week. All the police statements, the court cases, it was all just too much. Sending love to one of the bravest women I know right now @YvetteCooperMP
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I presume some of this is via social media? Tech companies need to do a lot more on this.2 -
When did we become a society where going around making death threats has become all too common an activity for some people?
When social media took off?3 -
I have nothing but loathing for Rees-Mogg, but there should be specific legislation to prevent people's private homes being targeted by rent-a-mob pillocks. Public figures should not have their family intimidated. It is utterly unacceptable.JosiasJessop said:
There are two conflicting aspects to this. Firstly, people must have the right to lawfully protest. Secondly, the people they are protesting against must not be placed in danger, or feel in danger.Slackbladder said:
If people protest outside MPs houses en mass (like with JRM) then no person can really be safe.TimS said:I don't know how you improve the security for MPs without getting rid of the constituency surgery (which might just drive the nutters to try other places instead). You could frisk people on their way in but that could be intimidating to a lot of people and wouldn't help with attacks outside the building. A depressing situation where there is no good answer.
A part of democracy is about balancing these two factors.3 -
Show me an MP that wants a "mini-nuke" in their constituency. If ever an issue was tailor-made for the LibDem nimbys....CarlottaVance said:UK to build mini-nuclear reactors:
https://amp.theguardian.com/business/2021/oct/15/uk-poised-to-confirm-funding-for-mini-nuclear-reactors-for-green-energy0 -
That’s awful. How have we got to this as a society and a nation.rottenborough said:
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Ultimately I left my last job because of the overwhelming death threats, I reported over 100 a week once. Usually was around 50 a week. All the police statements, the court cases, it was all just too much. Sending love to one of the bravest women I know right now @YvetteCooperMP
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I presume some of this is via social media? Tech companies need to do a lot more on this.1 -
I think it was - things that used to be said down the pub are now posted on social media - often without tone so it's impossible to judge whether they are meant or in jest.rottenborough said:When did we become a society where going around making death threats has become all too common an activity for some people?
When social media took off?
Worse Social media often drags people down particular paths while attempting to keep people on their site.3 -
Derby as it will help Rolls Royce stay above water.MarqueeMark said:
Show me an MP that wants a "mini-nuke" in their constituency. If ever an issue was tailor-made for the LibDem nimbys....CarlottaVance said:UK to build mini-nuclear reactors:
https://amp.theguardian.com/business/2021/oct/15/uk-poised-to-confirm-funding-for-mini-nuclear-reactors-for-green-energy1 -
How could it not be?Roger said:
If only one could believe it was tongue-in-cheekBlancheLivermore said:@christiancalgie
In 2015 David Amess was awarded a knighthood for political and public service. How did the newly-knighted Sir David celebrate?
He got dressed up and released this brilliant photo https://echo-news.co.uk/news/13374797.this-photograph-of-southend-mp-sir-david-amess-dressed-as-a-knight-is-brilliant/
https://twitter.com/christiancalgie/status/1449019625027645447
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Indeed they do.rottenborough said:
Jade
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Ultimately I left my last job because of the overwhelming death threats, I reported over 100 a week once. Usually was around 50 a week. All the police statements, the court cases, it was all just too much. Sending love to one of the bravest women I know right now @YvetteCooperMP
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I presume some of this is via social media? Tech companies need to do a lot more on this.
However, they aren't the ones making the threats. Folk need to take responsibility for their actions, and realise words have consequences.
The country isn't at ease with itself, and we need to reflect on what role we play in reducing or exacerbating that.2 -
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I am so so sad to hear of David Amess’s death. What a horrible thing that has happened. Westminster is a village that mourns like any community when we lose one of our own.0 -
They might want the jobs. They still won't want the nukes!rottenborough said:
Derby as it will help Rolls Royce stay above water.MarqueeMark said:
Show me an MP that wants a "mini-nuke" in their constituency. If ever an issue was tailor-made for the LibDem nimbys....CarlottaVance said:UK to build mini-nuclear reactors:
https://amp.theguardian.com/business/2021/oct/15/uk-poised-to-confirm-funding-for-mini-nuclear-reactors-for-green-energy
Although a China-syndrome incident could do hundreds of pounds of damage to Derby....0 -
Yes, the new thing is the capacity of the message to reach millions instantly. And I think we should all discipline ourselves not to quote or respond to trolls - it really is what they want us to do. They represent no-one but their sad selves.rottenborough said:When did we become a society where going around making death threats has become all too common an activity for some people?
When social media took off?
Just to add, if it's a death threat, rather than something that is merely tasteless, quietly forward to the police. Otherwise, ignore.1 -
You are an internet troll.gealbhan said:Okay, I concede, we don’t yet know if the assassin shouted die Tory Scum, or die Israeli loving scum as he knifed.
But we can comment and call out how Labour members and tribal supporters on social media, on this thread, are responding this afternoon without any compassion in their hearts or any unspun respect for a murdered democratic opponent, and, if the assailant had shouted die Israeli supporting scum, it’s clear which party has radicalised him is it not?
Instead of working towards presenting a realistic and trustable manifesto at the last election, the Labour Party spent years draping the Palestinian flag in everybody’s faces. If Cocky Pidcock wants to know why she lost, that’s why she lost.
There have been a fair few tasteless posts today, but yours is fairly close to the top of the list.3 -
I’d have one next door if it meant cheap electricity with no carbon emissions.MarqueeMark said:
Show me an MP that wants a "mini-nuke" in their constituency. If ever an issue was tailor-made for the LibDem nimbys....CarlottaVance said:UK to build mini-nuclear reactors:
https://amp.theguardian.com/business/2021/oct/15/uk-poised-to-confirm-funding-for-mini-nuclear-reactors-for-green-energy
Very sad news today. Really affected me.
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Power cuts for Nimbys!MarqueeMark said:
Show me an MP that wants a "mini-nuke" in their constituency. If ever an issue was tailor-made for the LibDem nimbys....CarlottaVance said:UK to build mini-nuclear reactors:
https://amp.theguardian.com/business/2021/oct/15/uk-poised-to-confirm-funding-for-mini-nuclear-reactors-for-green-energy0 -
Most 'modern' social media all went on-line within a few years of each other in the mid-00s.rottenborough said:When did we become a society where going around making death threats has become all too common an activity for some people?
When social media took off?
YouTube is late 2005.
Facebook is autumn 2005 (and then only for a select set of university email addresses)
Mobile phones saw an advance a bit earlier, but the first iPhone is late 2007/early 2008 for the UK.
Twitter is 2007 .
Pretty much everything else follows from those four advances.0 -
Me too. And as others have said it was the memory of 1992 that comes to me. I wasn't really aware that he was still in parliament.Gallowgate said:
I’d have one next door if it meant cheap electricity with no carbon emissions.MarqueeMark said:
Show me an MP that wants a "mini-nuke" in their constituency. If ever an issue was tailor-made for the LibDem nimbys....CarlottaVance said:UK to build mini-nuclear reactors:
https://amp.theguardian.com/business/2021/oct/15/uk-poised-to-confirm-funding-for-mini-nuclear-reactors-for-green-energy
Very sad news today. Really affected me.0 -
Dreadful news. So sad.0
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Indeed. There must be lots of MPs from across the aisle who are friends. They shouldn't have to make a big deal of that, its private, but I think we can depressingly predict online at least reaction if they did casually talk about it.JosiasJessop said:On MPs saying what nice guy/gal someone from an opposing party was when they sadly die:
It'd be nice if they did more of it whilst they were alive. And this goes for all members, from all parties. Perhaps MPs saying: "we disagree on issues, but she/he is a nice person." When they genuinely think that, of course.
It might help get some of the heat out of politics. Passion is good, but not when it crosses over into hatred.
A few years back, Radio 4 had a short series on MPs who were unlikely friends with MPs from other parties. ISTR Dennis Skinner was good friends with a Conservative after one helped the other whilst wheelchair bound.
(To his credit, Nick Palmer has praised Conservatives in unforced circumstances on may occasions.)1 -
Apportioning blame inappropriately seems a feature of our times. We should lump blame squarely on the murderer. I would like to know what his motivation was, but whatever it was it does not martyr him an any way. He's just a common murderer. Ditto terrorists.Mexicanpete said:
You are an internet troll.gealbhan said:Okay, I concede, we don’t yet know if the assassin shouted die Tory Scum, or die Israeli loving scum as he knifed.
But we can comment and call out how Labour members and tribal supporters on social media, on this thread, are responding this afternoon without any compassion in their hearts or any unspun respect for a murdered democratic opponent, and, if the assailant had shouted die Israeli supporting scum, it’s clear which party has radicalised him is it not?
Instead of working towards presenting a realistic and trustable manifesto at the last election, the Labour Party spent years draping the Palestinian flag in everybody’s faces. If Cocky Pidcock wants to know why she lost, that’s why she lost.
There have been a fair few tasteless posts today, but yours is fairly close to the top of the list.3 -
This is truly heartbreaking news. My thoughts and prayers are with Sir David Amess' family and friends. RIP.1
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>If< it meant significantly cheaper electricity, I suspect there would be quite a few takers.MarqueeMark said:
Show me an MP that wants a "mini-nuke" in their constituency. If ever an issue was tailor-made for the LibDem nimbys....CarlottaVance said:UK to build mini-nuclear reactors:
https://amp.theguardian.com/business/2021/oct/15/uk-poised-to-confirm-funding-for-mini-nuclear-reactors-for-green-energy0 -
My deepest condolences to David Amess’ friends, family and loved ones. Am very sorry for them all.
There was never a more enthusiastic tribune for Southend than David, who many MPs from across the political spectrum have worked with and respected since he became an MP in 1983.
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Brilliant. I don't think you should be able to become a knight without taking a photo like that, like getting your faux-ermine in the Lords.BlancheLivermore said:@christiancalgie
In 2015 David Amess was awarded a knighthood for political and public service. How did the newly-knighted Sir David celebrate?
He got dressed up and released this brilliant photo https://echo-news.co.uk/news/13374797.this-photograph-of-southend-mp-sir-david-amess-dressed-as-a-knight-is-brilliant/
https://twitter.com/christiancalgie/status/14490196250276454476 -
I really can't see the issue - this is baseline energy that we need to have. Logical places are where-ever existing nuclear power stations are provided they have enough connectivity.Gallowgate said:
I’d have one next door if it meant cheap electricity with no carbon emissions.MarqueeMark said:
Show me an MP that wants a "mini-nuke" in their constituency. If ever an issue was tailor-made for the LibDem nimbys....CarlottaVance said:UK to build mini-nuclear reactors:
https://amp.theguardian.com/business/2021/oct/15/uk-poised-to-confirm-funding-for-mini-nuclear-reactors-for-green-energy
Very sad news today. Really affected me.1 -
Motivation is irrelevant. He murdered him.Stocky said:Some posters being a bit hasty? May be best to ascertain the killer's motivation before jumping to conclusions and apportioning blame.
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At least we're not as bad as America where people who 'reach across the aisle' are noteworthy for that and everyone who doesn't vote as you do is an unperson.kle4 said:
Indeed. There must be lots of MPs from across the aisle who are friends. They shouldn't have to make a big deal of that, its private, but I think we can depressingly predict online at least reaction if they did casually talk about it.JosiasJessop said:On MPs saying what nice guy/gal someone from an opposing party was when they sadly die:
It'd be nice if they did more of it whilst they were alive. And this goes for all members, from all parties. Perhaps MPs saying: "we disagree on issues, but she/he is a nice person." When they genuinely think that, of course.
It might help get some of the heat out of politics. Passion is good, but not when it crosses over into hatred.
A few years back, Radio 4 had a short series on MPs who were unlikely friends with MPs from other parties. ISTR Dennis Skinner was good friends with a Conservative after one helped the other whilst wheelchair bound.
(To his credit, Nick Palmer has praised Conservatives in unforced circumstances on may occasions.)
Today is utterly tragic but we shouldn't lose sight of the fact that whoever has done this is a disturbed individual and not the norm. Nor must it ever become the norm.1 -
So why build 10 mini-nukes on the site of an existing nuke???eek said:
I really can't see the issue - this is baseline energy that we need to have. Logical places are where-ever existing nuclear power stations are provided they have enough connectivity.Gallowgate said:
I’d have one next door if it meant cheap electricity with no carbon emissions.MarqueeMark said:
Show me an MP that wants a "mini-nuke" in their constituency. If ever an issue was tailor-made for the LibDem nimbys....CarlottaVance said:UK to build mini-nuclear reactors:
https://amp.theguardian.com/business/2021/oct/15/uk-poised-to-confirm-funding-for-mini-nuclear-reactors-for-green-energy
Very sad news today. Really affected me.0 -
Should be on the front of every paper tomorrow. "This is who democracy lost today"kle4 said:
Brilliant. I don't think you should be able to become a knight without taking a photo like that, like getting your faux-ermine in the Lords.BlancheLivermore said:@christiancalgie
In 2015 David Amess was awarded a knighthood for political and public service. How did the newly-knighted Sir David celebrate?
He got dressed up and released this brilliant photo https://echo-news.co.uk/news/13374797.this-photograph-of-southend-mp-sir-david-amess-dressed-as-a-knight-is-brilliant/
https://twitter.com/christiancalgie/status/14490196250276454473 -
Do you not think in this invective there is a point in the making. Rayner calling Tories ‘scum’ simply to pander to her base, or that Tory clown talking about pipe bombs. Totally unacceptable. That language does not help and who knows the impact. Labour are not alone in this. It is not a labour issue. It is an issue of modern politics especially online supporters of main parties.Mexicanpete said:
You are an internet troll.gealbhan said:Okay, I concede, we don’t yet know if the assassin shouted die Tory Scum, or die Israeli loving scum as he knifed.
But we can comment and call out how Labour members and tribal supporters on social media, on this thread, are responding this afternoon without any compassion in their hearts or any unspun respect for a murdered democratic opponent, and, if the assailant had shouted die Israeli supporting scum, it’s clear which party has radicalised him is it not?
Instead of working towards presenting a realistic and trustable manifesto at the last election, the Labour Party spent years draping the Palestinian flag in everybody’s faces. If Cocky Pidcock wants to know why she lost, that’s why she lost.
There have been a fair few tasteless posts today, but yours is fairly close to the top of the list.4 -
They should do what they do in NZ, and not name the arsehole.3
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Humans have a need to attribute “greater reasons” into events which are sometimes just arbitrary random acts of awfulness.Stocky said:
Apportioning blame inappropriately seems a feature of our times. We should lump blame squarely on the murderer. I would like to know what his motivation was, but whatever it was it does not martyr him an any way. He's just a common murderer. Ditto terrorists.Mexicanpete said:
You are an internet troll.gealbhan said:Okay, I concede, we don’t yet know if the assassin shouted die Tory Scum, or die Israeli loving scum as he knifed.
But we can comment and call out how Labour members and tribal supporters on social media, on this thread, are responding this afternoon without any compassion in their hearts or any unspun respect for a murdered democratic opponent, and, if the assailant had shouted die Israeli supporting scum, it’s clear which party has radicalised him is it not?
Instead of working towards presenting a realistic and trustable manifesto at the last election, the Labour Party spent years draping the Palestinian flag in everybody’s faces. If Cocky Pidcock wants to know why she lost, that’s why she lost.
There have been a fair few tasteless posts today, but yours is fairly close to the top of the list.
The Onion summed it up well, “World’s Biggest Metaphor strikes Iceberg”.0 -
Justice must always be seen to be done, but I do wish there were a way to not publicise who it is or why he did it.Gardenwalker said:They should do what they do in NZ, and not name the arsehole.
A bit like how streakers are dealt with nowadays in sport.1 -
Why ?Gardenwalker said:They should do what they do in NZ, and not name the arsehole.
What does that achieve ?
Just curious as to the rationale.0 -
On the lighter side of things, another great day for the legal system - the final bit I've included is a classic bit of euphemistic language.
A £3m diamond fraud trial involving The Only Way is Essex star Lewis Bloor has collapsed after the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) admitted it failed to disclose some evidence.
About 200 people were conned into buying coloured diamonds at a 600% mark-up, prosecutors claimed.
Mr Bloor, 31, was accused of playing a "key role" in one company involved.
But he and five others were acquitted after the CPS did not disclose evidence which could have helped the defendants...
"We have come to the conclusion that we cannot confirm to the court that the prosecution has discharged its disclosure duties in this case," he said.
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Hardly lighter side - £3m wasted because the CPS were incompetent.kle4 said:On the lighter side of things, another great day for the legal system - the final bit I've included is a classic bit of euphemistic language.
A £3m diamond fraud trial involving The Only Way is Essex star Lewis Bloor has collapsed after the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) admitted it failed to disclose some evidence.
About 200 people were conned into buying coloured diamonds at a 600% mark-up, prosecutors claimed.
Mr Bloor, 31, was accused of playing a "key role" in one company involved.
But he and five others were acquitted after the CPS did not disclose evidence which could have helped the defendants...
"We have come to the conclusion that we cannot confirm to the court that the prosecution has discharged its disclosure duties in this case," he said.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-589270340 -
I'm not sure how well it works for a startTaz said:
Why ?Gardenwalker said:They should do what they do in NZ, and not name the arsehole.
What does that achieve ?
Just curious as to the rationale.
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These things are relative.eek said:
Hardly lighter side - £3m wasted because the CPS were incompetent.kle4 said:On the lighter side of things, another great day for the legal system - the final bit I've included is a classic bit of euphemistic language.
A £3m diamond fraud trial involving The Only Way is Essex star Lewis Bloor has collapsed after the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) admitted it failed to disclose some evidence.
About 200 people were conned into buying coloured diamonds at a 600% mark-up, prosecutors claimed.
Mr Bloor, 31, was accused of playing a "key role" in one company involved.
But he and five others were acquitted after the CPS did not disclose evidence which could have helped the defendants...
"We have come to the conclusion that we cannot confirm to the court that the prosecution has discharged its disclosure duties in this case," he said.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-58927034
Though I presume 3m was the alleged fraud, not the cost of the trial. That might well have been more!0 -
Speaking of 'traitors', this is quite some fundraising email from the Republican National Congressional Committee...
https://www.businessinsider.com/nrcc-accuses-non-donors-of-being-traitor-you-abandoned-trump-2021-10
...The National Republican Congressional Committee sent a fundraising message this month threatening supporters who had not yet donated, calling them a "traitor," The Washington Post reported.
"You abandoned Trump," a text version of the message said. "We were told you were a tried & true, lifelong patriot."
"But when Trump said he'd run for President if we took back the House from Nancy Pelosi...You did nothing. Was Trump wrong about you?" the statement asked....0 -
who?kle4 said:
I'm not sure how well it works for a startTaz said:
Why ?Gardenwalker said:They should do what they do in NZ, and not name the arsehole.
What does that achieve ?
Just curious as to the rationale.
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BecauseMarqueeMark said:
So why build 10 mini-nukes on the site of an existing nuke???eek said:
I really can't see the issue - this is baseline energy that we need to have. Logical places are where-ever existing nuclear power stations are provided they have enough connectivity.Gallowgate said:
I’d have one next door if it meant cheap electricity with no carbon emissions.MarqueeMark said:
Show me an MP that wants a "mini-nuke" in their constituency. If ever an issue was tailor-made for the LibDem nimbys....CarlottaVance said:UK to build mini-nuclear reactors:
https://amp.theguardian.com/business/2021/oct/15/uk-poised-to-confirm-funding-for-mini-nuclear-reactors-for-green-energy
Very sad news today. Really affected me.
1) the sites already exist and have appropriate security that only needs to be extended.
2) suitable workforce already exist
3) a lot of the sites are time served and due to be decommissioned over the next x years.
4) mini-nukes as I believe MaxPB mentioned before a great because when you need to service one you only lose 470MW of power rather than GWs...2 -
To deny them publicity.Taz said:
Why ?Gardenwalker said:They should do what they do in NZ, and not name the arsehole.
What does that achieve ?
Just curious as to the rationale.0 -
Incompetent or underfunded to the extent that what looks like incompetence is inevitable?eek said:
Hardly lighter side - £3m wasted because the CPS were incompetent.kle4 said:On the lighter side of things, another great day for the legal system - the final bit I've included is a classic bit of euphemistic language.
A £3m diamond fraud trial involving The Only Way is Essex star Lewis Bloor has collapsed after the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) admitted it failed to disclose some evidence.
About 200 people were conned into buying coloured diamonds at a 600% mark-up, prosecutors claimed.
Mr Bloor, 31, was accused of playing a "key role" in one company involved.
But he and five others were acquitted after the CPS did not disclose evidence which could have helped the defendants...
"We have come to the conclusion that we cannot confirm to the court that the prosecution has discharged its disclosure duties in this case," he said.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-589270340 -
I bet that 10 prove to be more than the cost of one.....eek said:
BecauseMarqueeMark said:
So why build 10 mini-nukes on the site of an existing nuke???eek said:
I really can't see the issue - this is baseline energy that we need to have. Logical places are where-ever existing nuclear power stations are provided they have enough connectivity.Gallowgate said:
I’d have one next door if it meant cheap electricity with no carbon emissions.MarqueeMark said:
Show me an MP that wants a "mini-nuke" in their constituency. If ever an issue was tailor-made for the LibDem nimbys....CarlottaVance said:UK to build mini-nuclear reactors:
https://amp.theguardian.com/business/2021/oct/15/uk-poised-to-confirm-funding-for-mini-nuclear-reactors-for-green-energy
Very sad news today. Really affected me.
1) the sites already exist and have appropriate security that only needs to be extended.
2) suitable workforce already exist
3) a lot of the sites are time served and due to be decommissioned over the next x years.
4) mini-nukes as I believe MaxPB mentioned before a great because when you need to service one you only lose 470MW of power rather than GWs...
And it depends how the one goes offline!0 -
Doesn't seem much of a fraud, the average high street jeweller is marking up diamond rings about that much. Top tips on getting engaged: 1. Don't, 2. buy a ring at auction and have it remade, don't buy new.kle4 said:On the lighter side of things, another great day for the legal system - the final bit I've included is a classic bit of euphemistic language.
A £3m diamond fraud trial involving The Only Way is Essex star Lewis Bloor has collapsed after the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) admitted it failed to disclose some evidence.
About 200 people were conned into buying coloured diamonds at a 600% mark-up, prosecutors claimed.
Mr Bloor, 31, was accused of playing a "key role" in one company involved.
But he and five others were acquitted after the CPS did not disclose evidence which could have helped the defendants...
"We have come to the conclusion that we cannot confirm to the court that the prosecution has discharged its disclosure duties in this case," he said.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-589270340 -
Yes I agree that he is just a murderer. However, motivation is essential to discover why - and we want to know why don't we? Doesn't absolve him in any way I agree. If for no other reason that to stop some folk from using a faulty motivation to bash people they don't like unfairly. (As some posters have risked doing earlier.)squareroot2 said:
Motivation is irrelevant. He murdered him.Stocky said:Some posters being a bit hasty? May be best to ascertain the killer's motivation before jumping to conclusions and apportioning blame.
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The story is on front pages of the New York Times, Sydney Morning Herald and FAZ. It is important that the death of a Parliamentarian is of global significance.5
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Time for a new centre-right party in US.Nigelb said:Speaking of 'traitors', this is quite some fundraising email from the Republican National Congressional Committee...
https://www.businessinsider.com/nrcc-accuses-non-donors-of-being-traitor-you-abandoned-trump-2021-10
...The National Republican Congressional Committee sent a fundraising message this month threatening supporters who had not yet donated, calling them a "traitor," The Washington Post reported.
"You abandoned Trump," a text version of the message said. "We were told you were a tried & true, lifelong patriot."
"But when Trump said he'd run for President if we took back the House from Nancy Pelosi...You did nothing. Was Trump wrong about you?" the statement asked....
Liz Cheney and co.
If nothing else it would split off some votes and help keep Trump out in 2024 I would have thought? There must be some big money guys who hate what they are being asked to donate to in the current insane GOP.2 -
They are always doing this. Always. It’s insane the money they waste.kle4 said:On the lighter side of things, another great day for the legal system - the final bit I've included is a classic bit of euphemistic language.
A £3m diamond fraud trial involving The Only Way is Essex star Lewis Bloor has collapsed after the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) admitted it failed to disclose some evidence.
About 200 people were conned into buying coloured diamonds at a 600% mark-up, prosecutors claimed.
Mr Bloor, 31, was accused of playing a "key role" in one company involved.
But he and five others were acquitted after the CPS did not disclose evidence which could have helped the defendants...
"We have come to the conclusion that we cannot confirm to the court that the prosecution has discharged its disclosure duties in this case," he said.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-589270340 -
I know the Democrat ones can be pretty crazy, I recall Jon Stewart joking about them, but that's insane. I'd never give a cent to anyone who sent such a thing.Nigelb said:Speaking of 'traitors', this is quite some fundraising email from the Republican National Congressional Committee...
https://www.businessinsider.com/nrcc-accuses-non-donors-of-being-traitor-you-abandoned-trump-2021-10
...The National Republican Congressional Committee sent a fundraising message this month threatening supporters who had not yet donated, calling them a "traitor," The Washington Post reported.
"You abandoned Trump," a text version of the message said. "We were told you were a tried & true, lifelong patriot."
"But when Trump said he'd run for President if we took back the House from Nancy Pelosi...You did nothing. Was Trump wrong about you?" the statement asked....0 -
He looks very at home there. The horse looks a bit disgruntled.kle4 said:
Brilliant. I don't think you should be able to become a knight without taking a photo like that, like getting your faux-ermine in the Lords.BlancheLivermore said:@christiancalgie
In 2015 David Amess was awarded a knighthood for political and public service. How did the newly-knighted Sir David celebrate?
He got dressed up and released this brilliant photo https://echo-news.co.uk/news/13374797.this-photograph-of-southend-mp-sir-david-amess-dressed-as-a-knight-is-brilliant/
https://twitter.com/christiancalgie/status/14490196250276454470 -
Agreed. It's like trying to understand serial killers or dictators - it's not about excusing, but why even in their damaged way they did it.Stocky said:
Yes I agree that he is just a murderer. However, motivation is essential to discover why - and we want to know why don't we? Doesn't absolve him in any way I agree. If for no other reason that to stop some folk from using a faulty motivation to bash people they don't like unfairly. (As some posters have risked doing earlier.)squareroot2 said:
Motivation is irrelevant. He murdered him.Stocky said:Some posters being a bit hasty? May be best to ascertain the killer's motivation before jumping to conclusions and apportioning blame.
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It's certainly far too frequent to be because they don't know better.DougSeal said:
They are always doing this. Always. It’s insane the money they waste.kle4 said:On the lighter side of things, another great day for the legal system - the final bit I've included is a classic bit of euphemistic language.
A £3m diamond fraud trial involving The Only Way is Essex star Lewis Bloor has collapsed after the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) admitted it failed to disclose some evidence.
About 200 people were conned into buying coloured diamonds at a 600% mark-up, prosecutors claimed.
Mr Bloor, 31, was accused of playing a "key role" in one company involved.
But he and five others were acquitted after the CPS did not disclose evidence which could have helped the defendants...
"We have come to the conclusion that we cannot confirm to the court that the prosecution has discharged its disclosure duties in this case," he said.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-589270341 -
What horrible news. What a tragedy.
A grim irony from my point of view is that this morning I was teaching Year 12 politics on parliamentary systems and we discussed Hoyle’s pitch about better security for MPs. I used the example of Jo Cox’s murder, I really wish another one hadn’t come up as well.3 -
Gosh! Only in....Nigelb said:Speaking of 'traitors', this is quite some fundraising email from the Republican National Congressional Committee...
https://www.businessinsider.com/nrcc-accuses-non-donors-of-being-traitor-you-abandoned-trump-2021-10
...The National Republican Congressional Committee sent a fundraising message this month threatening supporters who had not yet donated, calling them a "traitor," The Washington Post reported.
"You abandoned Trump," a text version of the message said. "We were told you were a tried & true, lifelong patriot."
"But when Trump said he'd run for President if we took back the House from Nancy Pelosi...You did nothing. Was Trump wrong about you?" the statement asked....0 -
The interesting place for me is the Nebraska Legislature. Officially it recognises no party affiliation under their constitution. That is not reflected in practice of course, but fascintating that that is the legal position even.rottenborough said:
Time for a new centre-right party in US.Nigelb said:Speaking of 'traitors', this is quite some fundraising email from the Republican National Congressional Committee...
https://www.businessinsider.com/nrcc-accuses-non-donors-of-being-traitor-you-abandoned-trump-2021-10
...The National Republican Congressional Committee sent a fundraising message this month threatening supporters who had not yet donated, calling them a "traitor," The Washington Post reported.
"You abandoned Trump," a text version of the message said. "We were told you were a tried & true, lifelong patriot."
"But when Trump said he'd run for President if we took back the House from Nancy Pelosi...You did nothing. Was Trump wrong about you?" the statement asked....
Liz Cheney and co.
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Not been a great 48 hours in terms of killings internationally. Norway, Kabul, Southend.
Tensions seem to be rising everywhere. Pandemic disruption and rising living costs?0 -
Hinkley C is currently over budget at £22bn so I suspect 10 will be cheaper than 1.MarqueeMark said:
I bet that 10 prove to be more than the cost of one.....eek said:
BecauseMarqueeMark said:
So why build 10 mini-nukes on the site of an existing nuke???eek said:
I really can't see the issue - this is baseline energy that we need to have. Logical places are where-ever existing nuclear power stations are provided they have enough connectivity.Gallowgate said:
I’d have one next door if it meant cheap electricity with no carbon emissions.MarqueeMark said:
Show me an MP that wants a "mini-nuke" in their constituency. If ever an issue was tailor-made for the LibDem nimbys....CarlottaVance said:UK to build mini-nuclear reactors:
https://amp.theguardian.com/business/2021/oct/15/uk-poised-to-confirm-funding-for-mini-nuclear-reactors-for-green-energy
Very sad news today. Really affected me.
1) the sites already exist and have appropriate security that only needs to be extended.
2) suitable workforce already exist
3) a lot of the sites are time served and due to be decommissioned over the next x years.
4) mini-nukes as I believe MaxPB mentioned before a great because when you need to service one you only lose 470MW of power rather than GWs...
And it depends how the one goes offline!1 -
These people get off on publicity.Taz said:
Why ?Gardenwalker said:They should do what they do in NZ, and not name the arsehole.
What does that achieve ?
Just curious as to the rationale.1 -
Well all they need to say if they don't want to throw good money after bad on a lost cause. As a businessman Trump should understand the bottom line lol...rottenborough said:
Time for a new centre-right party in US.Nigelb said:Speaking of 'traitors', this is quite some fundraising email from the Republican National Congressional Committee...
https://www.businessinsider.com/nrcc-accuses-non-donors-of-being-traitor-you-abandoned-trump-2021-10
...The National Republican Congressional Committee sent a fundraising message this month threatening supporters who had not yet donated, calling them a "traitor," The Washington Post reported.
"You abandoned Trump," a text version of the message said. "We were told you were a tried & true, lifelong patriot."
"But when Trump said he'd run for President if we took back the House from Nancy Pelosi...You did nothing. Was Trump wrong about you?" the statement asked....
Liz Cheney and co.
If nothing else it would split off some votes and help keep Trump out in 2024 I would have thought? There must be some big money guys who hate what they are being asked to donate to in the current insane GOP.0 -
Perhaps there are things that were once said in the heat of the moment under the influence of drink in a pub which can now be sent immediately to anyone from anywhere with minimal effort. It could be just that it's so much more easy to communicate bile and hatred than it was in the past, not that there is more of it about.rottenborough said:When did we become a society where going around making death threats has become all too common an activity for some people?
When social media took off?0 -
I got on their mailing list (and several other fundamentalist christian, far-right, pro-gun mailing lists) for a while after I attended a US games convention - they would regularly demand that I help save America from evil gun-hating socialists. I amused myself patiently explaining to them that I was a British socialist atheist and an enthusiastic supporter of gun control, so possibly not their prime target audience, and they did eventually give up.GIN1138 said:
Gosh! Only in....Nigelb said:Speaking of 'traitors', this is quite some fundraising email from the Republican National Congressional Committee...
https://www.businessinsider.com/nrcc-accuses-non-donors-of-being-traitor-you-abandoned-trump-2021-10
...The National Republican Congressional Committee sent a fundraising message this month threatening supporters who had not yet donated, calling them a "traitor," The Washington Post reported.
"You abandoned Trump," a text version of the message said. "We were told you were a tried & true, lifelong patriot."
"But when Trump said he'd run for President if we took back the House from Nancy Pelosi...You did nothing. Was Trump wrong about you?" the statement asked....3 -
Beginning to think that proof of ID for things like Twitter might be a good thing.LostPassword said:
Perhaps there are things that were once said in the heat of the moment under the influence of drink in a pub which can now be sent immediately to anyone from anywhere with minimal effort. It could be just that it's so much more easy to communicate bile and hatred than it was in the past, not that there is more of it about.rottenborough said:When did we become a society where going around making death threats has become all too common an activity for some people?
When social media took off?2 -
Interestingly that suggests Trump will furn for President in 2024 if the GOP retake the House in the Midterms next year and won't if the Democrats hold itNigelb said:Speaking of 'traitors', this is quite some fundraising email from the Republican National Congressional Committee...
https://www.businessinsider.com/nrcc-accuses-non-donors-of-being-traitor-you-abandoned-trump-2021-10
...The National Republican Congressional Committee sent a fundraising message this month threatening supporters who had not yet donated, calling them a "traitor," The Washington Post reported.
"You abandoned Trump," a text version of the message said. "We were told you were a tried & true, lifelong patriot."
"But when Trump said he'd run for President if we took back the House from Nancy Pelosi...You did nothing. Was Trump wrong about you?" the statement asked....0 -
BBC News “man of African appearance led away” - eyewitness
Good remarks from Starmer.1 -
It's hardly unique to modern politics. Think about what Aneurin Bevan said about the Tories. Or Queen Victoria for that matter (though admittedly not in public).Taz said:
Do you not think in this invective there is a point in the making. Rayner calling Tories ‘scum’ simply to pander to her base, or that Tory clown talking about pipe bombs. Totally unacceptable. That language does not help and who knows the impact. Labour are not alone in this. It is not a labour issue. It is an issue of modern politics especially online supporters of main parties.Mexicanpete said:
You are an internet troll.gealbhan said:Okay, I concede, we don’t yet know if the assassin shouted die Tory Scum, or die Israeli loving scum as he knifed.
But we can comment and call out how Labour members and tribal supporters on social media, on this thread, are responding this afternoon without any compassion in their hearts or any unspun respect for a murdered democratic opponent, and, if the assailant had shouted die Israeli supporting scum, it’s clear which party has radicalised him is it not?
Instead of working towards presenting a realistic and trustable manifesto at the last election, the Labour Party spent years draping the Palestinian flag in everybody’s faces. If Cocky Pidcock wants to know why she lost, that’s why she lost.
There have been a fair few tasteless posts today, but yours is fairly close to the top of the list.0 -
A crackdown on death threats on social media might be a start. How many end in a custodial sentence? This needs to be more socially unacceptable than drink driving.
Right now it isn't.2 -
Tensions aren't rising unless we spend far too much time watching the news, (which is what I'm usually guilty of doing).ydoethur said:Not been a great 48 hours in terms of killings internationally. Norway, Kabul, Southend.
Tensions seem to be rising everywhere. Pandemic disruption and rising living costs?1 -
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The Union Flags have been lowered to half-mast above Downing Street as a mark of respect for Sir David Amess MP.0 -
You don't think so?Andy_JS said:
Tensions aren't rising unless we spend far too much time watching the news, (which is what I'm usually guilty of doing).ydoethur said:Not been a great 48 hours in terms of killings internationally. Norway, Kabul, Southend.
Tensions seem to be rising everywhere. Pandemic disruption and rising living costs?
Was chatting with a homeless guy last night. We ageeed folk from our very different milieus seem to be losing it over the past few weeks. I don’t watch much news. Doubt he does either.0 -
Well, at the moment I have no time at all to watch the news. I get pretty well all my updates from here.Andy_JS said:
Tensions aren't rising unless we spend far too much time watching the news, (which is what I'm usually guilty of doing).ydoethur said:Not been a great 48 hours in terms of killings internationally. Norway, Kabul, Southend.
Tensions seem to be rising everywhere. Pandemic disruption and rising living costs?
But it looks to me as though the issues arising from the pandemic and the GFC longer ago are just starting to bubble up, this being another example of it.
I really, really hope I’m wrong.0 -
Plus there's another reason smaller and modular works which is that the more frequently the development is made the quicker and cheaper it can be developed.eek said:
Hinkley C is currently over budget at £22bn so I suspect 10 will be cheaper than 1.MarqueeMark said:
I bet that 10 prove to be more than the cost of one.....eek said:
BecauseMarqueeMark said:
So why build 10 mini-nukes on the site of an existing nuke???eek said:
I really can't see the issue - this is baseline energy that we need to have. Logical places are where-ever existing nuclear power stations are provided they have enough connectivity.Gallowgate said:
I’d have one next door if it meant cheap electricity with no carbon emissions.MarqueeMark said:
Show me an MP that wants a "mini-nuke" in their constituency. If ever an issue was tailor-made for the LibDem nimbys....CarlottaVance said:UK to build mini-nuclear reactors:
https://amp.theguardian.com/business/2021/oct/15/uk-poised-to-confirm-funding-for-mini-nuclear-reactors-for-green-energy
Very sad news today. Really affected me.
1) the sites already exist and have appropriate security that only needs to be extended.
2) suitable workforce already exist
3) a lot of the sites are time served and due to be decommissioned over the next x years.
4) mini-nukes as I believe MaxPB mentioned before a great because when you need to service one you only lose 470MW of power rather than GWs...
And it depends how the one goes offline!
Even if 10 modular mini nukes cost the same as 1 Hinckley C and gave the same output it would still be better because an 11th, 12th and more mini nukes would be able to then be developed for less than the first one cost.3 -
I presume you're summarising? 'Milieus' isn't a word I'd stick in the conversation.dixiedean said:
You don't think so?Andy_JS said:
Tensions aren't rising unless we spend far too much time watching the news, (which is what I'm usually guilty of doing).ydoethur said:Not been a great 48 hours in terms of killings internationally. Norway, Kabul, Southend.
Tensions seem to be rising everywhere. Pandemic disruption and rising living costs?
Was chatting with a homeless guy last night. We ageeed folk from our very different milieus seem to be losing it over the past few weeks. I don’t watch much news. Doubt he does either.0 -
Off topic: Anyone got any ideas why the UK is persistently seeing a rate of covid deaths per million nearly triple those seen in France, Germany and Italy?
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/oct/15/why-britons-are-tolerating-sky-high-covid-rates-and-why-this-may-not-last0 -
We constantly hear this, yet the UK is quite middling on the excess death tracker. It suggests differences in reporting more than anything.Benpointer said:Off topic: Anyone got any ideas why the UK is persistently seeing a rate of covid deaths per million nearly triple those seen in France, Germany and Italy?
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/oct/15/why-britons-are-tolerating-sky-high-covid-rates-and-why-this-may-not-last3 -
Unless I see polling evidence to the contrary, I am inclined to believe that most people think death threats are rather more serious than drink driving.dixiedean said:A crackdown on death threats on social media might be a start. How many end in a custodial sentence? This needs to be more socially unacceptable than drink driving.
Right now it isn't.0 -
More testing finding cases.Benpointer said:Off topic: Anyone got any ideas why the UK is persistently seeing a rate of covid deaths per million nearly triple those seen in France, Germany and Italy?
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/oct/15/why-britons-are-tolerating-sky-high-covid-rates-and-why-this-may-not-last
Is there any sign that excess deaths are actually higher?0 -
It's certainly a better idea - running 10 things, all the same, is going to teach you much more.Philip_Thompson said:
Plus there's another reason smaller and modular works which is that the more frequently the development is made the quicker and cheaper it can be developed.eek said:
Hinkley C is currently over budget at £22bn so I suspect 10 will be cheaper than 1.MarqueeMark said:
I bet that 10 prove to be more than the cost of one.....eek said:
BecauseMarqueeMark said:
So why build 10 mini-nukes on the site of an existing nuke???eek said:
I really can't see the issue - this is baseline energy that we need to have. Logical places are where-ever existing nuclear power stations are provided they have enough connectivity.Gallowgate said:
I’d have one next door if it meant cheap electricity with no carbon emissions.MarqueeMark said:
Show me an MP that wants a "mini-nuke" in their constituency. If ever an issue was tailor-made for the LibDem nimbys....CarlottaVance said:UK to build mini-nuclear reactors:
https://amp.theguardian.com/business/2021/oct/15/uk-poised-to-confirm-funding-for-mini-nuclear-reactors-for-green-energy
Very sad news today. Really affected me.
1) the sites already exist and have appropriate security that only needs to be extended.
2) suitable workforce already exist
3) a lot of the sites are time served and due to be decommissioned over the next x years.
4) mini-nukes as I believe MaxPB mentioned before a great because when you need to service one you only lose 470MW of power rather than GWs...
And it depends how the one goes offline!
Even if 10 modular mini nukes cost the same as 1 Hinckley C and gave the same output it would still be better because an 11th, 12th and more mini nukes would be able to then be developed for less than the first one cost.1 -
I don't know what it looks like in person but the Stirling Prize winning building looks fantastic in the photos, particularly from the inside.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-589087620 -
I don't know, but yes I imagine so.OldKingCole said:
Isn't there one like near Gallipoli; Mehmets and Tommies side by side?Omnium said:I recently visited a war cemetery in Alsace. French war dead from WW2 and German war dead from WW1. Hard to not be impacted by it. Those that die in public service now should have such a quiet place to be seen to rest.
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The options, I think, are:Benpointer said:Off topic: Anyone got any ideas why the UK is persistently seeing a rate of covid deaths per million nearly triple those seen in France, Germany and Italy?
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/oct/15/why-britons-are-tolerating-sky-high-covid-rates-and-why-this-may-not-last
1) We’re interacting much more than they are. If so, then presumably we should get through it quicker than them.
2) Their current numbers are wrong.
3) Far more of them had already come into contact with COVID before the re-opening. In which case, their total death numbers are probably too low.0 -
How right Donald Trump was. If there wasn't any testing, no one would die of COVID-19!Philip_Thompson said:
More testing finding cases.Benpointer said:Off topic: Anyone got any ideas why the UK is persistently seeing a rate of covid deaths per million nearly triple those seen in France, Germany and Italy?
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/oct/15/why-britons-are-tolerating-sky-high-covid-rates-and-why-this-may-not-last0 -
Well according to the death certificates that would be true.Chris said:
How right Donald Trump was. If there wasn't any testing, no one would die of COVID-19!Philip_Thompson said:
More testing finding cases.Benpointer said:Off topic: Anyone got any ideas why the UK is persistently seeing a rate of covid deaths per million nearly triple those seen in France, Germany and Italy?
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/oct/15/why-britons-are-tolerating-sky-high-covid-rates-and-why-this-may-not-last0 -
@JustinTrudeau
Officiel du gouvernement - Canada
I am shocked by the news that British MP Sir David Amess was stabbed and killed today. My thoughts are with his family and loved ones, and on behalf of all Canadians and Parliamentarians, I offer my deepest condolences to his colleagues and all who are mourning this loss.
https://twitter.com/JustinTrudeau/status/1449060690728296448?s=201 -
That might help the Dems in the midterms if it's generally known. For all the passion for Trump there was plenty on the other side too. Also, amongst neutrals, I'd imagine there are more who fear a Trump return than are hankering for it.HYUFD said:
Interestingly that suggests Trump will furn for President in 2024 if the GOP retake the House in the Midterms next year and won't if the Democrats hold itNigelb said:Speaking of 'traitors', this is quite some fundraising email from the Republican National Congressional Committee...
https://www.businessinsider.com/nrcc-accuses-non-donors-of-being-traitor-you-abandoned-trump-2021-10
...The National Republican Congressional Committee sent a fundraising message this month threatening supporters who had not yet donated, calling them a "traitor," The Washington Post reported.
"You abandoned Trump," a text version of the message said. "We were told you were a tried & true, lifelong patriot."
"But when Trump said he'd run for President if we took back the House from Nancy Pelosi...You did nothing. Was Trump wrong about you?" the statement asked....1 -
Reports the 25 year old man arrested is a Somalian national. No further detail at this stage
https://twitter.com/tomhfh/status/1449062832570617858?s=200 -
In Turkmenistan it is true. No covid deaths, but a lot of unexplained pneumonia deaths. 7.5 million vaccines doses though, so whatever they are using must be way better than the crap the rest of the world has been given.RobD said:
Well according to the death certificates that would be true.Chris said:
How right Donald Trump was. If there wasn't any testing, no one would die of COVID-19!Philip_Thompson said:
More testing finding cases.Benpointer said:Off topic: Anyone got any ideas why the UK is persistently seeing a rate of covid deaths per million nearly triple those seen in France, Germany and Italy?
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/oct/15/why-britons-are-tolerating-sky-high-covid-rates-and-why-this-may-not-last1 -
From the outside, it looks like an unfinished Chinese tofu-dreg.noneoftheabove said:I don't know what it looks like in person but the Stirling Prize winning building looks fantastic in the photos, particularly from the inside.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-58908762
A prediction: the interior will *not* age well. It'll look cr@p in ten years without an f'load of expensive maintenance.0 -
I see Sir David was active on twitter. His pinned tweet? Advertising his constituency surgery.0
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When I was in France recently everyone seemed out and about. However the requirement for the bars and restaurants to scan your covid vaccine certificate (paper or phone) was really going down badly with the owners, so I assume they perceive it is having an impact on turnout as the scanning process was very straightforward so I can't think of any other reason why they are so angry. St Malo old town was heaving.tlg86 said:
The options, I think, are:Benpointer said:Off topic: Anyone got any ideas why the UK is persistently seeing a rate of covid deaths per million nearly triple those seen in France, Germany and Italy?
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/oct/15/why-britons-are-tolerating-sky-high-covid-rates-and-why-this-may-not-last
1) We’re interacting much more than they are. If so, then presumably we should get through it quicker than them.
2) Their current numbers are wrong.
3) Far more of them had already come into contact with COVID before the re-opening. In which case, their total death numbers are probably too low.0
