Could Raab be in trouble at Esher and Walton? – politicalbetting.com
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So he’s sticking around to deliver the bad news, after spending the last 18 months throwing money like confetti out of the Treasury windows.Big_G_NorthWales said:Rishi staying as Chancellor
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US veep = bucket of warm pissPulpstar said:Is Raab's movement actually a demotion ?
Slight I'd say.
UK DPM = same raised to power of a googol AND without the succession rights which make VPdom slightly more attractive than a used prophylactic.
Put it another way, he has been sent to sit on the Cleggy step.1 -
He must have ammo, there's no other logical explanationDura_Ace said:
How does Raab have enough clout to do that? Why does Johnson have to give a fuck what Raab says or does?CorrectHorseBattery said:Hold on, has Raab just done an Angela Rayner on Johnson
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Seems like a straight demotion to me. Previously foreign secretary and deputy prime minister, now justice secretary and deputy prime minister.Dura_Ace said:
How does Raab have enough clout to do that? Why does Johnson have to give a fuck what Raab says or does?CorrectHorseBattery said:Hold on, has Raab just done an Angela Rayner on Johnson
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Rayner’s directly elected by the membership, she doesn’t report to Starmer.gealbhan said:
Rayner just called Gavin Williamson a “prat”. Government in waiting?CorrectHorseBattery said:All the Tories who said Starmer was weak and useless, I am sure will be straight out to call BoJo the same, after Raab just pulled the same move.
Anyone? Anyone?
When it comes to Rayner, Starmer is weak and useless.0 -
Have to laugh at the idea of Raaaaaab as Deputy PM. Having just utterly shirked his responsibilities as Foreign Secretary he is now to be relied upon to run the country when Worzel is off to find a cup of tea and a slice of cake for his latest Aunt Sally.1
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Whatever faults Raab has are dwarfed by Ms Rayner.Philip_Thompson said:I guess Boris can't make his 'fire and rehire' gag about Labour's deputy leader anymore.
Although I suppose at least with Raab it didn't take days.1 -
What, today?gealbhan said:
Rayner just called Gavin Williamson a “prat”. Government in waiting?CorrectHorseBattery said:All the Tories who said Starmer was weak and useless, I am sure will be straight out to call BoJo the same, after Raab just pulled the same move.
Anyone? Anyone?
When it comes to Rayner, Starmer is weak and useless.
My respect for her increases (from an absolute zero baseline)1 -
Sky politics man says at least Milling doesn't have to buy the drinks at the conference now.Big_G_NorthWales said:Amanda Milling sacked
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He already was, it even happened last year when Boris was incapacitated. Being Deputy PM makes no difference, he was already the deputy with another title.RochdalePioneers said:Have to laugh at the idea of Raaaaaab as Deputy PM. Having just utterly shirked his responsibilities as Foreign Secretary he is now to be relied upon to run the country when Worzel is off to find a cup of tea and a slice of cake for his latest Aunt Sally.
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Well, she's not wrong.gealbhan said:
Rayner just called Gavin Williamson a “prat”. Government in waiting?CorrectHorseBattery said:All the Tories who said Starmer was weak and useless, I am sure will be straight out to call BoJo the same, after Raab just pulled the same move.
Anyone? Anyone?
When it comes to Rayner, Starmer is weak and useless.0 -
It is evident that whilst gealbhan has a good political knowledge - and I am sure much better knowledge than me on most things - their Labour knowledge is dreadful.Sandpit said:
Rayner’s directly elected by the membership, she doesn’t report to Starmer.gealbhan said:
Rayner just called Gavin Williamson a “prat”. Government in waiting?CorrectHorseBattery said:All the Tories who said Starmer was weak and useless, I am sure will be straight out to call BoJo the same, after Raab just pulled the same move.
Anyone? Anyone?
When it comes to Rayner, Starmer is weak and useless.1 -
Patel confirmed as Home Secretary0
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It’s been a privilege and an honour to be the Co-Chairman of the Conservative Party.
Thank you to the voluntary party and the team at CCHQ for their support.
Thank you to @BorisJohnson for this opportunity. I will continue working to deliver on our plans to level up the UK.
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Priti is saved!0
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I wonder how many "er er er"s Bozo did in that conversation: "well, er er er Dominic, yes, well, er er er, please don't get so er er er, jolly cross, how about I whizz you the er er er, post of Deputy PM eh, wot? "not enough, oh er er er.... let me ask Carrie...er er er, she says sack you, er er er, no can't do that cam we, er er er? "MaxPB said:
Definitely. He unsacked himself.CorrectHorseBattery said:Hold on, has Raab just done an Angela Rayner on Johnson
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Priti Useless Patel, God help us all0
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Michael Gove into no 100
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I mistakenly thought he was DPM as well, however he was only that whilst BJ was incapable, it was just a one off temporary role which he lost when the PM came back.RobD said:
Seems like a straight demotion to me. Previously foreign secretary and deputy prime minister, now justice secretary and deputy prime minister.Dura_Ace said:
How does Raab have enough clout to do that? Why does Johnson have to give a fuck what Raab says or does?CorrectHorseBattery said:Hold on, has Raab just done an Angela Rayner on Johnson
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Ardern is a classic Wokey. Attack the historic and culture of your own country, and meanwhile cosy up to modern nasty authoritarian regimes and bat away any issues with Whataboutery for an extra buck.
No wonder the Chinese love her.7 -
Botched reshuffle!Big_G_NorthWales said:Rishi staying as Chancellor
Boris should have moved Rishi to FO and Truss into number 11.
Why? PM and Chancellor not on same page on spending is vote losing trouble.0 -
She won a landslide, she's obviously popular in New Zealand.Casino_Royale said:Ardern is a classic Wokey. Attack the historic and culture of your own country, and meanwhile cosy up to modern nasty authoritarian regimes and bat away any issues with Whataboutery for an extra buck.
No wonder the Chinese love her.0 -
Pritti stays at Home Office so why did she go to Downing Street?0
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Education?Big_G_NorthWales said:Michael Gove into no 10
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Ah, I was getting it mixed up with first secretary of state. Then it seems like a bauble to me.noneoftheabove said:
I mistakenly thought he was DPM as well, however he was only that whilst BJ was incapable, it was just a one off temporary role which he lost when the PM came back.RobD said:
Seems like a straight demotion to me. Previously foreign secretary and deputy prime minister, now justice secretary and deputy prime minister.Dura_Ace said:
How does Raab have enough clout to do that? Why does Johnson have to give a fuck what Raab says or does?CorrectHorseBattery said:Hold on, has Raab just done an Angela Rayner on Johnson
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Who?Big_G_NorthWales said:Amanda Milling sacked
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maybe she knows where the Bozo bodies are? Or perhaps babies?SandyRentool said:Priti is saved!
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In your language.. Deputy PM and Lord Chancellor means nothing.Dura_Ace said:
How does Raab have enough clout to do that? Why does Johnson have to give a fuck what Raab says or does?CorrectHorseBattery said:Hold on, has Raab just done an Angela Rayner on Johnson
It's just a sympathy fuck.1 -
It's a bit odd isn't it ?bigjohnowls said:Pritti stays at Home Office so why did she go to Downing Street?
I didn't think people not being shuffled or sacked or promoted bothered.
Patel seems to have had no movement at all yet went in, is that a first ?0 -
You think Truss is a believer in Johnson's cash bonanzas?gealbhan said:
Botched reshuffle!Big_G_NorthWales said:Rishi staying as Chancellor
Boris should have moved Rishi to FO and Truss into number 11.
Why? PM and Chancellor not on same page on spending is vote losing trouble.0 -
Utter comedy if Gove comes back as new Education Secretary.0
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Not sure but maybe just confirmation of one of the senior offices of statebigjohnowls said:Pritti stays at Home Office so why did she go to Downing Street?
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To help Boris push the boat out on his reshuffle?bigjohnowls said:Pritti stays at Home Office so why did she go to Downing Street?
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Local government is the rumour. In charge of “levelling-up”OldKingCole said:
Education?Big_G_NorthWales said:Michael Gove into no 10
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She did, but the shine is starting to come off.CorrectHorseBattery said:
She won a landslide, she's obviously popular in New Zealand.Casino_Royale said:Ardern is a classic Wokey. Attack the historic and culture of your own country, and meanwhile cosy up to modern nasty authoritarian regimes and bat away any issues with Whataboutery for an extra buck.
No wonder the Chinese love her.0 -
Oliver Dowden into no 10
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Again it was 15 months - July 62 - Oct 63Stuartinromford said:
I'm too lazy to check, but how long was it from the Night of the Long Knives to Supermac's resignation?TheScreamingEagles said:
Done a Geoffrey Howe.CorrectHorseBattery said:Hold on, has Raab just done an Angela Rayner on Johnson
Demoted from the Foreign Office but made it look good with getting the title Deputy Prime Minister.
Narrator: 15 months later Howe helped topple Thatcher.
And who is this government's Lord Home?0 -
Boris won a landslide too on about only 5% less of the vote share, I dont think that inures him from criticism at home or abroad. Arden is surely not perfect even if she is very popular in NZ.CorrectHorseBattery said:
She won a landslide, she's obviously popular in New Zealand.Casino_Royale said:Ardern is a classic Wokey. Attack the historic and culture of your own country, and meanwhile cosy up to modern nasty authoritarian regimes and bat away any issues with Whataboutery for an extra buck.
No wonder the Chinese love her.0 -
Surely that comparison won't have been lost on Boris. Did he do it just to humiliate Raab: 'This is what great prime ministers do to their miserable little underlings but you won't have the spunk to take revenge.'?TheScreamingEagles said:
Done a Geoffrey Howe.CorrectHorseBattery said:Hold on, has Raab just done an Angela Rayner on Johnson
Demoted from the Foreign Office but made it look good with getting the title Deputy Prime Minister.
Narrator: 15 months later Howe helped topple Thatcher.0 -
No it's just that there's an opinion that the so-called "woke" (or whatever that means, for goodness sake Ardern ran on immigration controls) can't win elections, when Jacinda did.kle4 said:
Boris won a landslide too on about only 5% less of the vote share, I dont think that inures him from criticism at home or abroad. Arden is surely not perfect even if she is very popular in NZ.CorrectHorseBattery said:
She won a landslide, she's obviously popular in New Zealand.Casino_Royale said:Ardern is a classic Wokey. Attack the historic and culture of your own country, and meanwhile cosy up to modern nasty authoritarian regimes and bat away any issues with Whataboutery for an extra buck.
No wonder the Chinese love her.
Much to learn for Starmer from her.0 -
Remember, Diane Abbott was the alternative at the last GE.CorrectHorseBattery said:Priti Useless Patel, God help us all
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Indeed.Benpointer said:
The neoliberal ideal of a competitive market for everything is dying a long slow painful death. At last.Pulpstar said:
I can't see the point of all the private suppliers. Might as well make a British EDF.Benpointer said:https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/sep/14/half-a-million-homes-to-be-given-new-energy-supplier-after-two-more-go-bust
How long before it's all back to one State supplier?
For energy, last time I looked there was only one supply coming into our house. The 'market' is an artifice.
How is it efficient to have savvy consumers being switched from one seller to another every year (with all the admin, call centre support etc. that that requires) whilst the non-savvy, vulnerable and cant-be-arsed subsidise those of us who switch?
The recent con leads are all from rolling polls with small sample sizes. Punters beware.Sean_F said:O/T but it looks as if Trudeau's bounce in the polls from the debates has faded, and the Conservatives are back in the lead.
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You should hear what the Kiwis stuck in the sandpit have to say about her!Casino_Royale said:
She did, but the shine is starting to come off.CorrectHorseBattery said:
She won a landslide, she's obviously popular in New Zealand.Casino_Royale said:Ardern is a classic Wokey. Attack the historic and culture of your own country, and meanwhile cosy up to modern nasty authoritarian regimes and bat away any issues with Whataboutery for an extra buck.
No wonder the Chinese love her.
Most of them are redundant workers from oil & gas, aviation, logistics and private security industries, who are being quoted April for return dates, and are sofa-surfing until then.0 -
Beth Rigby just said she wants a good Christmas this year! Don't we all. Not sure why she didn't last year.....3
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Nonsense. I have explained on here exactly how it’s done. Two thirds vote on the NEC abolishes Angela Rayner.CorrectHorseBattery said:
It is evident that whilst gealbhan has a good political knowledge - and I am sure much better knowledge than me on most things - their Labour knowledge is dreadful.Sandpit said:
Rayner’s directly elected by the membership, she doesn’t report to Starmer.gealbhan said:
Rayner just called Gavin Williamson a “prat”. Government in waiting?CorrectHorseBattery said:All the Tories who said Starmer was weak and useless, I am sure will be straight out to call BoJo the same, after Raab just pulled the same move.
Anyone? Anyone?
When it comes to Rayner, Starmer is weak and useless.
You haven’t been paying attention. 😆
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Quite amusing that the BBC slips this news out when eyes are elsewhere, a tactic beloved of this government (eg the Friday afternoon press release bonanza)
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Oh, well if Beth Rigby wants a good Christmas this year that's another matter entirely. Why didn't she say so earlier?Daveyboy1961 said:Beth Rigby just said she wants a good Christmas this year! Don't we all. Not sure why she didn't last year.....
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Thankfully Abbott has gone - and Patel is still around.SandyRentool said:
Remember, Diane Abbott was the alternative at the last GE.CorrectHorseBattery said:Priti Useless Patel, God help us all
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No no no. He wasn't DPM at any point, but he was appointed to act as deputy (lower case). He was First Secretary indicating he was to be considered, well, first amongst them, and thus it was no surprise he was picked to deputize. Some past First Secretaries have been referred to as deputy PMs despite not holding that role.noneoftheabove said:
I mistakenly thought he was DPM as well, however he was only that whilst BJ was incapable, it was just a one off temporary role which he lost when the PM came back.RobD said:
Seems like a straight demotion to me. Previously foreign secretary and deputy prime minister, now justice secretary and deputy prime minister.Dura_Ace said:
How does Raab have enough clout to do that? Why does Johnson have to give a fuck what Raab says or does?CorrectHorseBattery said:Hold on, has Raab just done an Angela Rayner on Johnson
I'm not crazy am I, I'm sure that is the situation as was?
It certainly is a bauble as RobD says since we often dont have one and were Boris to disappear theres no guarantee hed be picked as PM.2 -
The Rt Hon Priti Patel MP @PritiPatel remains Secretary of State for the Home Department @UKHomeOffice
#Reshuffle
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Other meetings happen in Downing Street.Pulpstar said:
It's a bit odd isn't it ?bigjohnowls said:Pritti stays at Home Office so why did she go to Downing Street?
I didn't think people not being shuffled or sacked or promoted bothered.
Patel seems to have had no movement at all yet went in, is that a first ?0 -
Apparently Raab was also offered the role of Second Best Priest but turned it down.2
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Perhaps Uganda is involved?Cookie said:
Yes, it would not only be more pronouncable ('Orcus') but more consistent - Australia is a one-word country. We don't need the U. It's not at all unclear which country beginning with A it refers to.Philip_Thompson said:
AUKUS would work better. Drop the double-u's.Aslan said:
Great news. Terrible acronym.CarlottaVance said:President Joe Biden will announce a new working group with Britain and Australia to share advanced technologies in a thinly veiled bid to counter China, a White House official and a Congressional staffer told POLITICO.
The trio, which will be known by the acronym AUUKUS, will make it easier for the nations to share information and know-how in key technological areas like artificial intelligence, cyber, underwater systems and long-range strike capabilities
One of the people said there will be a nuclear element to the pact in which the U.S. and U.K. share their knowledge of how to maintain nuclear-defense infrastructure.
https://www.politico.com/news/2021/09/15/biden-deal-uk-australia-defense-tech-sharing-511877
Australian rumours that they may junk their French sub deal.....0 -
She won a Covid election at a time when NZ had zero cases, we were entering new lockdowns here and there were no vaccinations on the horizon.CorrectHorseBattery said:
No it's just that there's an opinion that the so-called "woke" (or whatever that means, for goodness sake Ardern ran on immigration controls) can't win elections, when Jacinda did.kle4 said:
Boris won a landslide too on about only 5% less of the vote share, I dont think that inures him from criticism at home or abroad. Arden is surely not perfect even if she is very popular in NZ.CorrectHorseBattery said:
She won a landslide, she's obviously popular in New Zealand.Casino_Royale said:Ardern is a classic Wokey. Attack the historic and culture of your own country, and meanwhile cosy up to modern nasty authoritarian regimes and bat away any issues with Whataboutery for an extra buck.
No wonder the Chinese love her.
Much to learn for Starmer from her.
It's a different beast.
[PS. And you know very well what "woke" means - and I even just explained it to you. People who claim they don't simply don't want to engage with it in case it means they have to do the very hard work of having to think and revise their worldview.]0 -
You haven’t be paying attention to politics either.Sandpit said:
Rayner’s directly elected by the membership, she doesn’t report to Starmer.gealbhan said:
Rayner just called Gavin Williamson a “prat”. Government in waiting?CorrectHorseBattery said:All the Tories who said Starmer was weak and useless, I am sure will be straight out to call BoJo the same, after Raab just pulled the same move.
Anyone? Anyone?
When it comes to Rayner, Starmer is weak and useless.
The Corbynista sharpened the guillotine for Watson, Corbyn called the execution off late in the day.
Back to your pit, of sand.0 -
Truss in according to Sky.0
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Perhaps Uganda is involved?Cookie said:
Yes, it would not only be more pronouncable ('Orcus') but more consistent - Australia is a one-word country. We don't need the U. It's not at all unclear which country beginning with A it refers to.Philip_Thompson said:
AUKUS would work better. Drop the double-u's.Aslan said:
Great news. Terrible acronym.CarlottaVance said:President Joe Biden will announce a new working group with Britain and Australia to share advanced technologies in a thinly veiled bid to counter China, a White House official and a Congressional staffer told POLITICO.
The trio, which will be known by the acronym AUUKUS, will make it easier for the nations to share information and know-how in key technological areas like artificial intelligence, cyber, underwater systems and long-range strike capabilities
One of the people said there will be a nuclear element to the pact in which the U.S. and U.K. share their knowledge of how to maintain nuclear-defense infrastructure.
https://www.politico.com/news/2021/09/15/biden-deal-uk-australia-defense-tech-sharing-511877
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Nah, I don't think the BBC will be ashamed of the fact that they can't be leaned on by a Tory party apparatchik.CarlottaVance said:Quite amusing that the BBC slips this news out when eyes are elsewhere, a tactic beloved of this government (eg the Friday afternoon press release bonanza)
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He's already done it, Rochdale. He stood in while Boris was in hospital.RochdalePioneers said:Have to laugh at the idea of Raaaaaab as Deputy PM. Having just utterly shirked his responsibilities as Foreign Secretary he is now to be relied upon to run the country when Worzel is off to find a cup of tea and a slice of cake for his latest Aunt Sally.
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Jeez.Big_G_NorthWales said:Michael Gove into no 10
Don't say stuff like that.1 -
She thought it was the Israeli Embassy.bigjohnowls said:Pritti stays at Home Office so why did she go to Downing Street?
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Sky saying Theresa Coffey to stay0
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With a promotion to Foreign Secretary looking very likely, and probably a shortening of her price for next PM.rottenborough said:Truss in according to Sky.
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Well, consider who remained in cabinet despite ...Fishing said:
And Hancock wasn't exactly forced out, was he? His own libido and egregious incompetence caught up to him, I thought.williamglenn said:Peston gets it wrong yet again:
@Peston
With @MattHancock forced out a few weeks ago and Robert Buckland sacked today, @OliverDowden may be the last member of the cabinet who campaigned against Brexit1 -
Doesn't seem to be much movement generally on betting markets. You can still get 14s about Truss for next leader.rottenborough said:Truss in according to Sky.
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Please do not remind us of the paucity of talent amongst our political "elite"! Most of the people in positions of seniority in our political parties would struggle to get above middle management in any half decent corporate company. The choice between Johnson and Corbyn at the last election was like voting for dumb or dumber. A polemicist journalist who comes across like a game show host or a left wing career contrarian with two Es at A-level. What choice for one of the leading so-called democracies of the world.SandyRentool said:
Remember, Diane Abbott was the alternative at the last GE.CorrectHorseBattery said:Priti Useless Patel, God help us all
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Woke: alert to injustice in society, especially racism.Casino_Royale said:
She won a Covid election at a time when NZ had zero cases, we were entering new lockdowns here and there were no vaccinations on the horizon.CorrectHorseBattery said:
No it's just that there's an opinion that the so-called "woke" (or whatever that means, for goodness sake Ardern ran on immigration controls) can't win elections, when Jacinda did.kle4 said:
Boris won a landslide too on about only 5% less of the vote share, I dont think that inures him from criticism at home or abroad. Arden is surely not perfect even if she is very popular in NZ.CorrectHorseBattery said:
She won a landslide, she's obviously popular in New Zealand.Casino_Royale said:Ardern is a classic Wokey. Attack the historic and culture of your own country, and meanwhile cosy up to modern nasty authoritarian regimes and bat away any issues with Whataboutery for an extra buck.
No wonder the Chinese love her.
Much to learn for Starmer from her.
It's a different beast.
[PS. And you know very well what "woke" means - and I even just explained it to you. People who claim they don't simply don't want to engage with it in case it means they have to do the very hard work of having to think and revise their worldview.]
I am proudly woke and I hope any decent PM in the world is too.0 -
However, that lot are gone, the country said no and Labour listened. Bye bye.Nigel_Foremain said:
Please do not remind us of the paucity of talent amongst our political "elite"! Most of the people in positions of seniority in our political parties would struggle to get above middle management in any half decent corporate company. The choice between Johnson and Corbyn at the last election was like voting for dumb or dumber. A polemicist journalist who comes across like a game show host or a left wing career contrarian with two Es at A-level. What choice for one of the leading so-called democracies of the world.SandyRentool said:
Remember, Diane Abbott was the alternative at the last GE.CorrectHorseBattery said:Priti Useless Patel, God help us all
However the other lot are still there. 2019 is over.0 -
Sky confirmed Liz Truss as Foreign Secretary
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I dont think casino meant being woke means you cannot win though. He might well prefer it if thay was the case.CorrectHorseBattery said:
No it's just that there's an opinion that the so-called "woke" (or whatever that means, for goodness sake Ardern ran on immigration controls) can't win elections, when Jacinda did.kle4 said:
Boris won a landslide too on about only 5% less of the vote share, I dont think that inures him from criticism at home or abroad. Arden is surely not perfect even if she is very popular in NZ.CorrectHorseBattery said:
She won a landslide, she's obviously popular in New Zealand.Casino_Royale said:Ardern is a classic Wokey. Attack the historic and culture of your own country, and meanwhile cosy up to modern nasty authoritarian regimes and bat away any issues with Whataboutery for an extra buck.
No wonder the Chinese love her.
Much to learn for Starmer from her.0 -
There is an opinion by some on this board that being woke means you instantly lose elections. I strongly disagree.kle4 said:
I dont think casino meant being woke means you cannot win though. He might well prefer it if thay was the case.CorrectHorseBattery said:
No it's just that there's an opinion that the so-called "woke" (or whatever that means, for goodness sake Ardern ran on immigration controls) can't win elections, when Jacinda did.kle4 said:
Boris won a landslide too on about only 5% less of the vote share, I dont think that inures him from criticism at home or abroad. Arden is surely not perfect even if she is very popular in NZ.CorrectHorseBattery said:
She won a landslide, she's obviously popular in New Zealand.Casino_Royale said:Ardern is a classic Wokey. Attack the historic and culture of your own country, and meanwhile cosy up to modern nasty authoritarian regimes and bat away any issues with Whataboutery for an extra buck.
No wonder the Chinese love her.
Much to learn for Starmer from her.
Being alert to injustice in society, especially racism - the actual definition - is something any PM should be.0 -
haha, I thought the same. When I saw that I did think for a moment that perhaps Johnson had messed up on the back of his fag packet and reshuffled himself!Nigelb said:0 -
So why are so many of those who consider themselves ‘woke’, actually quite racist? Can’t we all just be colour-blind, and not try and bring race into everything?CorrectHorseBattery said:
Woke: alert to injustice in society, especially racism.Casino_Royale said:
She won a Covid election at a time when NZ had zero cases, we were entering new lockdowns here and there were no vaccinations on the horizon.CorrectHorseBattery said:
No it's just that there's an opinion that the so-called "woke" (or whatever that means, for goodness sake Ardern ran on immigration controls) can't win elections, when Jacinda did.kle4 said:
Boris won a landslide too on about only 5% less of the vote share, I dont think that inures him from criticism at home or abroad. Arden is surely not perfect even if she is very popular in NZ.CorrectHorseBattery said:
She won a landslide, she's obviously popular in New Zealand.Casino_Royale said:Ardern is a classic Wokey. Attack the historic and culture of your own country, and meanwhile cosy up to modern nasty authoritarian regimes and bat away any issues with Whataboutery for an extra buck.
No wonder the Chinese love her.
Much to learn for Starmer from her.
It's a different beast.
[PS. And you know very well what "woke" means - and I even just explained it to you. People who claim they don't simply don't want to engage with it in case it means they have to do the very hard work of having to think and revise their worldview.]
I am proudly woke and I hope any decent PM in the world is too.2 -
Anyway, I am off for a run, hope you all have a nice afternoon0
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Rt Hon remains Rt Hon.CarlottaVance said:The Rt Hon Priti Patel MP @PritiPatel remains Secretary of State for the Home Department @UKHomeOffice
#Reshuffle
https://twitter.com/10DowningStreet/status/1438152707764801536?s=20
Actually I think people keep the Rt Hon after losing the position they were granted it for (because its tied to Privy Council?) so it's a rare example of us being like the American practice of referring to former office holders by their old title?1 -
Blessed are the cheesemakers.Big_G_NorthWales said:Sky confirmed Liz Truss as Foreign Secretary
Next leader?5 -
Thoughts and prayers for the Tory Taliban.1
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"Ciaran Martin is Professor of Practice at the Blavatnik School of Government, University of Oxford. From 2011-14 he served as Constitution Director in the Cabinet Office."CarlottaVance said:If Westminster does not play ball, the long-standing Scottish nationalist plan for negotiated independence collapses. Even if moderate independence supporters were on board with a Scottish UDI – a big ‘if’ – no country Scotland would want as an ally will recognise its independence against the wishes of the British government. Whatever the current state of the transatlantic alliance, no American President would recognise an independent Scotland against the wishes of Downing Street. Spain would not countenance a ‘breakaway’ state’s accession to the EU: that’s why it accepts Montenegro’s candidacy (because it separated with the consent of Serbia) but not Kosovo’s (because it separated from Serbia without its consent). Even China and Russia might balk at recognising Scotland, mindful of their own separatist problems. So a Scottish government seeking recognition in these circumstances would meet the same flat refusal as that encountered by Éamon de Valera’s emissaries to Woodrow Wilson and Georges Clemenceau in 1919, and Scotland would not be a recognised independent state.
https://constitution-unit.com/2021/09/15/scotlands-place-in-the-union-will-not-be-decided-in-the-courts-only-politicians-can-enable-or-prevent-independence/
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Because those people are idiots - and I don't associate with such people. I am actually woke, by the definition that is the correct one.Sandpit said:
So why are so many of those who consider themselves ‘woke’, actually quite racist? Can’t we all just be colour-blind, and not try and bring race into everything?CorrectHorseBattery said:
Woke: alert to injustice in society, especially racism.Casino_Royale said:
She won a Covid election at a time when NZ had zero cases, we were entering new lockdowns here and there were no vaccinations on the horizon.CorrectHorseBattery said:
No it's just that there's an opinion that the so-called "woke" (or whatever that means, for goodness sake Ardern ran on immigration controls) can't win elections, when Jacinda did.kle4 said:
Boris won a landslide too on about only 5% less of the vote share, I dont think that inures him from criticism at home or abroad. Arden is surely not perfect even if she is very popular in NZ.CorrectHorseBattery said:
She won a landslide, she's obviously popular in New Zealand.Casino_Royale said:Ardern is a classic Wokey. Attack the historic and culture of your own country, and meanwhile cosy up to modern nasty authoritarian regimes and bat away any issues with Whataboutery for an extra buck.
No wonder the Chinese love her.
Much to learn for Starmer from her.
It's a different beast.
[PS. And you know very well what "woke" means - and I even just explained it to you. People who claim they don't simply don't want to engage with it in case it means they have to do the very hard work of having to think and revise their worldview.]
I am proudly woke and I hope any decent PM in the world is too.
I am alert to injustice in society as I want to create a more equal society for all, that is why I am a Labour man.
Now, to the outdoors!2 -
Gender balanced Great Offices too, for anyone who cares.Big_G_NorthWales said:Sky confirmed Liz Truss as Foreign Secretary
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Could well be. Might top up on her.Big_G_NorthWales said:Sky confirmed Liz Truss as Foreign Secretary
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Although there's an old saw in politics about keeping the seekers of the throne at Foreign office as they are out of the country all the time so no politicking in Westminster on the quiet.0 -
Yes, but...Angela Rayner ffs!CorrectHorseBattery said:
However, that lot are gone, the country said no and Labour listened. Bye bye.Nigel_Foremain said:
Please do not remind us of the paucity of talent amongst our political "elite"! Most of the people in positions of seniority in our political parties would struggle to get above middle management in any half decent corporate company. The choice between Johnson and Corbyn at the last election was like voting for dumb or dumber. A polemicist journalist who comes across like a game show host or a left wing career contrarian with two Es at A-level. What choice for one of the leading so-called democracies of the world.SandyRentool said:
Remember, Diane Abbott was the alternative at the last GE.CorrectHorseBattery said:Priti Useless Patel, God help us all
However the other lot are still there. 2019 is over.0 -
Yes and it is interesting Truss and Rishi are 1 and 2 in Conhomekle4 said:
Gender balanced Great Offices too, for anyone who cares.Big_G_NorthWales said:Sky confirmed Liz Truss as Foreign Secretary
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I agree mostly, except the Labour bit..CorrectHorseBattery said:
Because those people are idiots - and I don't associate with such people. I am actually woke, by the definition that is the correct one.Sandpit said:
So why are so many of those who consider themselves ‘woke’, actually quite racist? Can’t we all just be colour-blind, and not try and bring race into everything?CorrectHorseBattery said:
Woke: alert to injustice in society, especially racism.Casino_Royale said:
She won a Covid election at a time when NZ had zero cases, we were entering new lockdowns here and there were no vaccinations on the horizon.CorrectHorseBattery said:
No it's just that there's an opinion that the so-called "woke" (or whatever that means, for goodness sake Ardern ran on immigration controls) can't win elections, when Jacinda did.kle4 said:
Boris won a landslide too on about only 5% less of the vote share, I dont think that inures him from criticism at home or abroad. Arden is surely not perfect even if she is very popular in NZ.CorrectHorseBattery said:
She won a landslide, she's obviously popular in New Zealand.Casino_Royale said:Ardern is a classic Wokey. Attack the historic and culture of your own country, and meanwhile cosy up to modern nasty authoritarian regimes and bat away any issues with Whataboutery for an extra buck.
No wonder the Chinese love her.
Much to learn for Starmer from her.
It's a different beast.
[PS. And you know very well what "woke" means - and I even just explained it to you. People who claim they don't simply don't want to engage with it in case it means they have to do the very hard work of having to think and revise their worldview.]
I am proudly woke and I hope any decent PM in the world is too.
I am alert to injustice in society as I want to create a more equal society for all, that is why I am a Labour man.
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Nah, after his dancing exploits, to the Ministry of Sound.Sandpit said:
The rumour is Gove to “Minister for levelling-up the North”.TheScreamingEagles said:
I'd love it to be Gove.Sandpit said:
Careful what you wish for. If Patel gets replaced, it’ll be because she’s failed to stop the boats - and that’s what will be top of the inbox for the new HS.Stark_Dawning said:
That would be a biggie. She's the darling of The Daily Express.bigjohnowls said:BBC News - "Doubts over Patel"
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Truss at 8.4
Wildly popular with the grassroots apparently.1 -
Also, what do you test to a sacked minister?kle4 said:
Rt Hon remains Rt Hon.CarlottaVance said:The Rt Hon Priti Patel MP @PritiPatel remains Secretary of State for the Home Department @UKHomeOffice
#Reshuffle
https://twitter.com/10DowningStreet/status/1438152707764801536?s=20
Actually I think people keep the Rt Hon after losing the position they were granted it for (because its tied to Privy Council?) so it's a rare example of us being like the American practice of referring to former office holders by their old title?
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Does she pass the "can you see her on the step of No 10" test? Not sure.rottenborough said:Truss at 8.4
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That’s because the country said yes to themCorrectHorseBattery said:
However, that lot are gone, the country said no and Labour listened. Bye bye.Nigel_Foremain said:
Please do not remind us of the paucity of talent amongst our political "elite"! Most of the people in positions of seniority in our political parties would struggle to get above middle management in any half decent corporate company. The choice between Johnson and Corbyn at the last election was like voting for dumb or dumber. A polemicist journalist who comes across like a game show host or a left wing career contrarian with two Es at A-level. What choice for one of the leading so-called democracies of the world.SandyRentool said:
Remember, Diane Abbott was the alternative at the last GE.CorrectHorseBattery said:Priti Useless Patel, God help us all
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I think @Casino_Royale is right to be bearish on Jacinda's future prospects, actually.
She won the election, as he implies, during a perfect storm for her: zero covid cases, no vaccines anywhere and a sharp contrast with the Old Country (to which NZ has a massive inferiority complex): No restrictions in Auckland. London shut.
Now, the situation is the exact opposite. Extreme restrictions in Auckland (and the ever-present and immediate hair-trigger threat of them even when unlocked, because of NZ's utterly dire vaccination rates). London free.
What is her next move? At some point she has to open the borders (and thus accept the cases that she has made a huge show of 'eliminating') because NZ will ultimately collapse economically without international visitors.3 -
It's been done to death, how people act while being 'woke' differs and what it means to people is not the same.CorrectHorseBattery said:
Woke: alert to injustice in society, especially racism.Casino_Royale said:
She won a Covid election at a time when NZ had zero cases, we were entering new lockdowns here and there were no vaccinations on the horizon.CorrectHorseBattery said:
No it's just that there's an opinion that the so-called "woke" (or whatever that means, for goodness sake Ardern ran on immigration controls) can't win elections, when Jacinda did.kle4 said:
Boris won a landslide too on about only 5% less of the vote share, I dont think that inures him from criticism at home or abroad. Arden is surely not perfect even if she is very popular in NZ.CorrectHorseBattery said:
She won a landslide, she's obviously popular in New Zealand.Casino_Royale said:Ardern is a classic Wokey. Attack the historic and culture of your own country, and meanwhile cosy up to modern nasty authoritarian regimes and bat away any issues with Whataboutery for an extra buck.
No wonder the Chinese love her.
Much to learn for Starmer from her.
It's a different beast.
[PS. And you know very well what "woke" means - and I even just explained it to you. People who claim they don't simply don't want to engage with it in case it means they have to do the very hard work of having to think and revise their worldview.]
I am proudly woke and I hope any decent PM in the world is too.
Some self labelled as woke are pretty unwoke in practice and someone might reject the label but still be alert to injustice.
That's why whether someone is proud to be woke matters not in my opinion, since its actions that matter, and an unwoke but reasonable leader would be better than one who is woke but crap. And indeed reasonable and woke bettervthsn unwoke and crap.
If used as shorthand for morals it's nonsense.3 -
She’s definitely a contender now, when there’s next a vacancy.rottenborough said:Truss at 8.4
Wildly popular with the grassroots apparently.0 -
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I note Boris has knifed his prominent cabinet leadership supporters. TBF, a couple of them richly deserved it (Buckland a bit less so), but there is an element of boat burning about this.
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Nadine Dorries into no 100
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...er no. And I really don't like her.felix said:
Whatever faults Raab has are dwarfed by Ms Rayner.Philip_Thompson said:I guess Boris can't make his 'fire and rehire' gag about Labour's deputy leader anymore.
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Dorries you mean? Seriously?SandyRentool said:Mad Nad into No. 10.
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