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NATO is dying. Sadly.williamglenn said:
Could it be something more ambitious like a mutual defence treaty?Philip_Thompson said:
Ardern and Trudeau being cut out of Five Eyes? 🤔CarlottaVance said:President Joe Biden will announce a new working group with Britain and Australia to share advanced technologies in a thinly veiled bid to counter China, a White House official and a Congressional staffer told POLITICO.
The trio, which will be known by the acronym AUUKUS, will make it easier for the nations to share information and know-how in key technological areas like artificial intelligence, cyber, underwater systems and long-range strike capabilities
One of the people said there will be a nuclear element to the pact in which the U.S. and U.K. share their knowledge of how to maintain nuclear-defense infrastructure.
https://www.politico.com/news/2021/09/15/biden-deal-uk-australia-defense-tech-sharing-511877
Australian rumours that they may junk their French sub deal.....
A new closer alliance is needed to counter China. This makes total sense
Canada, Oz, UK, USA is a pretty powerful combination
470m people, two nuclear powers, nearly two entire continents. Enormous combined GDP. Spread around the world. Dominating the North Atlantic and half the pacific and with a major presence in the Southern Hemisphere and Indian Ocean
Lots of handy little islands as well, all across the world
Ultimately it will have to ally quite closely with India to contain Chinese power
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Raab throwing toys out with the pram
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That would be a biggie. She's the darling of The Daily Express.bigjohnowls said:BBC News - "Doubts over Patel"
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Macron will be throwing toys out the pram.williamglenn said:Report from an Australian ABC journalist:
@bevvo14
#Breaking AFR reporting the French submarine deal is dead and Australia will partner with US and UK going forward. Announcement expected at 7am tomorrow
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Boris just left the HOC on way to no 10 to start the new appointments0 -
He was tweeting from the toilet cubicle?Cookie said:
Why bother googling, when you are the smartest person in the room?kle4 said:
It's not hard to Google, Mr Peston, rather then speculate.williamglenn said:Peston gets it wrong yet again:
@Peston
With @MattHancock forced out a few weeks ago and Robert Buckland sacked today, @OliverDowden may be the last member of the cabinet who campaigned against Brexit2 -
Dominic Raab has now officially been in his cabinet reshuffle meeting with Johnson for more minutes than he spent arranging the safety of British citizens in the weeks leading up to the fall of Afghanistan to the Taliban!
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Boris Johnson has left Parliament - suggests the sackings are over and hiring is about to begin
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Anything wireless is witchcraft.Cookie said:
Wireless charging is witchcraft.Sandpit said:
Wireless charging is still slow as hell. I just got a new car and am fitting a CarPlay stereo to it at the weekend, so will stick with the cable for that one. Maybe wireless works as an overnight charger, but if it’s plugged in during the day it’s because you want it charged quickly!FrancisUrquhart said:
Don't you use wireless charging? I have it in my office and in my car, makes life so much easier.Sandpit said:
Which is really annoying, as now I need two cables to recharge the iPad and the phone!FrancisUrquhart said:
Even iPad have gone USB-C now.RochdalePioneers said:
How are they supposed to sell you overpriced dongles if they adopt the standard?FrancisUrquhart said:How has the iCrap 13 still not got USB-C ? We aren't in 2015 anymore.
(Says someone married to a cat-loving RF engineer with curly black hair.)3 -
Careful what you wish for. If Patel gets replaced, it’ll be because she’s failed to stop the boats - and that’s what will be top of the inbox for the new HS.Stark_Dawning said:
That would be a biggie. She's the darling of The Daily Express.bigjohnowls said:BBC News - "Doubts over Patel"
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You'd think Kemi Badenoch and Kwasi Kwarteng might be in line for a promotion.2
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Thats Samsung build quality, not the connector. Duff charging ports a favourite way to kill a Galaxy phone. With that and their AMOLED screen burn issue is why I haven't bought from them since the S2.Philip_Thompson said:
I dislike USB-C. My cables have a tendency to wear out more than USB-B did and the connector on devices seems easier to fail too.FrancisUrquhart said:
Even iPad have gone USB-C now.RochdalePioneers said:
How are they supposed to sell you overpriced dongles if they adopt the standard?FrancisUrquhart said:How has the iCrap 13 still not got USB-C ? We aren't in 2015 anymore.
My phone won't charge via USB C anymore. I can only charge it wirelessly which is slower and less convenient.
Samsung S9+ FWIW.0 -
The words 'iPhone' and 'bargain' do not sit within the same region of the Venn diagram.OldKingCole said:
I'm about to go and get new iPhones for self and wife. Should, if I don't buy the newest, to get a bargain, with luck.Philip_Thompson said:
I dislike USB-C. My cables have a tendency to wear out more than USB-B did and the connector on devices seems easier to fail too.FrancisUrquhart said:
Even iPad have gone USB-C now.RochdalePioneers said:
How are they supposed to sell you overpriced dongles if they adopt the standard?FrancisUrquhart said:How has the iCrap 13 still not got USB-C ? We aren't in 2015 anymore.
My phone won't charge via USB C anymore. I can only charge it wirelessly which is slower and less convenient.
Samsung S9+ FWIW.0 -
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Antenna design is often just painting runes with conductive mediaJosiasJessop said:Anything wireless is witchcraft.
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I'd love it to be Gove.Sandpit said:
Careful what you wish for. If Patel gets replaced, it’ll be because she’s failed to stop the boats - and that’s what will be top of the inbox for the new HS.Stark_Dawning said:
That would be a biggie. She's the darling of The Daily Express.bigjohnowls said:BBC News - "Doubts over Patel"
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He’s a rather polished performer on TV. They should use him more.Sandpit said:
That’s a good call.MaxPB said:
Wonder who will get trade then? Maybe Alok Sharma. Seems like a good match.CarlottaVance said:
Nah - Truss is getting her job, or so it's said.....MaxPB said:
Does that mean Raab is unsacked?!CarlottaVance said:The rumour mill:
Moving Michael Gove to @mhclg - as much of Whitehall is now expecting - to oversee levelling up, house building, planning reform, local government would be a bold statement on dealing with regional inequality. #reshuffle
https://twitter.com/SebastianEPayne/status/1438137821500477440?s=20
A shame to lose Truss from Trade, but if she’s off to FCO that makes sense.
Need to find a Cabinet job for Nadhim Zahawi too, now that minister for vaccines is somewhat redundant.3 -
I'm no Priti-basher - but Priti Patel never looks happy. Happy doesn't appear to be part of her repertoire. She looks either angry, or smugly triumphant. Look:bigjohnowls said:Robert Peston
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not looking happy”. I simply pass on
She is probably safe then if Peston ramping
https://www.google.com/search?q=priti+patel&client=firefox-b-d&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiWlqfxk4HzAhWTgVwKHcxvAH0Q_AUoAnoECAEQBA&biw=1366&bih=6433 -
BBC chairman Richard Sharp confirms Jess Brammar has been appointed #RTSCambridge
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Raab just gone into no 10
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Great to have an opinion pollster in the cabinet.Taz said:
He’s a rather polished performer on TV. They should use him more.Sandpit said:
That’s a good call.MaxPB said:
Wonder who will get trade then? Maybe Alok Sharma. Seems like a good match.CarlottaVance said:
Nah - Truss is getting her job, or so it's said.....MaxPB said:
Does that mean Raab is unsacked?!CarlottaVance said:The rumour mill:
Moving Michael Gove to @mhclg - as much of Whitehall is now expecting - to oversee levelling up, house building, planning reform, local government would be a bold statement on dealing with regional inequality. #reshuffle
https://twitter.com/SebastianEPayne/status/1438137821500477440?s=20
A shame to lose Truss from Trade, but if she’s off to FCO that makes sense.
Need to find a Cabinet job for Nadhim Zahawi too, now that minister for vaccines is somewhat redundant.0 -
I paid £180 for my iPhone. The trick is not to buy the latest model, but find the three-year-old models still on sale online.SandyRentool said:
The words 'iPhone' and 'bargain' do not sit within the same region of the Venn diagram.OldKingCole said:
I'm about to go and get new iPhones for self and wife. Should, if I don't buy the newest, to get a bargain, with luck.Philip_Thompson said:
I dislike USB-C. My cables have a tendency to wear out more than USB-B did and the connector on devices seems easier to fail too.FrancisUrquhart said:
Even iPad have gone USB-C now.RochdalePioneers said:
How are they supposed to sell you overpriced dongles if they adopt the standard?FrancisUrquhart said:How has the iCrap 13 still not got USB-C ? We aren't in 2015 anymore.
My phone won't charge via USB C anymore. I can only charge it wirelessly which is slower and less convenient.
Samsung S9+ FWIW.3 -
It's all relative. Retailers, even such as O2 and Vodafone want to shift old stock.SandyRentool said:
The words 'iPhone' and 'bargain' do not sit within the same region of the Venn diagram.OldKingCole said:
I'm about to go and get new iPhones for self and wife. Should, if I don't buy the newest, to get a bargain, with luck.Philip_Thompson said:
I dislike USB-C. My cables have a tendency to wear out more than USB-B did and the connector on devices seems easier to fail too.FrancisUrquhart said:
Even iPad have gone USB-C now.RochdalePioneers said:
How are they supposed to sell you overpriced dongles if they adopt the standard?FrancisUrquhart said:How has the iCrap 13 still not got USB-C ? We aren't in 2015 anymore.
My phone won't charge via USB C anymore. I can only charge it wirelessly which is slower and less convenient.
Samsung S9+ FWIW.0 -
He will come out saying he hadn't quite understood how important no 10 was in British politics. Good riddance.Big_G_NorthWales said:Raab just gone into no 10
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If twitter is to be believed the pollsters are run by the Cabinet anyway of course.TheScreamingEagles said:
Great to have an opinion pollster in the cabinet.Taz said:
He’s a rather polished performer on TV. They should use him more.Sandpit said:
That’s a good call.MaxPB said:
Wonder who will get trade then? Maybe Alok Sharma. Seems like a good match.CarlottaVance said:
Nah - Truss is getting her job, or so it's said.....MaxPB said:
Does that mean Raab is unsacked?!CarlottaVance said:The rumour mill:
Moving Michael Gove to @mhclg - as much of Whitehall is now expecting - to oversee levelling up, house building, planning reform, local government would be a bold statement on dealing with regional inequality. #reshuffle
https://twitter.com/SebastianEPayne/status/1438137821500477440?s=20
A shame to lose Truss from Trade, but if she’s off to FCO that makes sense.
Need to find a Cabinet job for Nadhim Zahawi too, now that minister for vaccines is somewhat redundant.0 -
The rumour is Gove to “Minister for levelling-up the North”.TheScreamingEagles said:
I'd love it to be Gove.Sandpit said:
Careful what you wish for. If Patel gets replaced, it’ll be because she’s failed to stop the boats - and that’s what will be top of the inbox for the new HS.Stark_Dawning said:
That would be a biggie. She's the darling of The Daily Express.bigjohnowls said:BBC News - "Doubts over Patel"
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More news from the lovely unspoiled Faroes
“As soon as hunters realized how large the pod was, Read said, the hunt should have been called off. Now, as a result of excess killing, they were burning some of the blubber of over 1,000 dolphins in an incinerator, he said.
“Because if they drag the blubber out to sea, it’ll carry on floating around and washing up on all the beaches for weeks,” he said. “The only other option is to send them away in trucks, tip them over cliffs into the sea, or put them in a landfill slide or drag them back out, and that’s going to look absolutely shocking in the media.””
https://www.vice.com/en/article/bvze7q/faroe-islands-dolphin-killing-grind0 -
Fortunately for her, Williamson was lethal when it came to putting it in his own net.Taz said:0 -
& The method is perfectly mathematically fair.Pulpstar said:
Dead Heat rules apply normallykle4 said:Are bets on next cabinet member out voided in a reshuffle or do you just hope to get lucky on who is announced first?
So for a first out the cabinet bet your stake would be divided by three (Assuming Jenrick, Buckland and Williamson are removed from the cabinet and no others) and you'd have the odds you got but with 1/3rd the stake.
You'll need to be on at longer than 2-1 to scrub your face.
5-1 becomes even money;
Long odds bets trend toward odds an asymptote of 1/3 the original price.0 -
Nothing a couple of weeks on the beach won't put right.Big_G_NorthWales said:Raab just gone into no 10
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Oh Lord.Sandpit said:
The rumour is Gove to “Minister for levelling-up the North”.TheScreamingEagles said:
I'd love it to be Gove.Sandpit said:
Careful what you wish for. If Patel gets replaced, it’ll be because she’s failed to stop the boats - and that’s what will be top of the inbox for the new HS.Stark_Dawning said:
That would be a biggie. She's the darling of The Daily Express.bigjohnowls said:BBC News - "Doubts over Patel"
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"But anyway this is what I mean by the trans lobby lacking intelligence and rationality."Stocky said:
That's the population of Leicester. A ridiculous figure taken from a unpublished dissertation. So somewhere between zero and the population of :Leicester. I'm betting much closer to zero.JosiasJessop said:
A god question, and it probably depends on the definition of 'intersex'. The following says over 300k, which seems massively high to me:Stocky said:
Sure. I wonder how many exist in the UK?JosiasJessop said:
Of course not, although the groups might intersect (*)Stocky said:
Gosh, that one is fast becoming an old chestnut. This is incredibly rare. Are you suggesting that transgender people are "intersex" people?JosiasJessop said:
"Everyone is born either a male or a female."Cookie said:
And yet - in this one particular respect - the world IS neat and tidy. Everyone is born either a male or a female. They may not want to live a stereotypically male or female life, and we should not force them to do so - but biological non-binarism(?) is a fiction.JosiasJessop said:
Oddly, many women and feminists disagree with Ms Free's views on this. Including Mrs J. Ms Free does speak from her own perspective, not that of all women or feminists.Stocky said:
Excellent post. I don't think you are bringing a female perspective into it. I think you are bringing rationality into it.Cyclefree said:The argument is not about trans rights. The reality is that there are no legal rights which other groups have which trans people lack. Women have no issue with people with gender dysphoria getting the help, resources and kindness and care they need.
The argument is about women's rights which will be seriously harmed and diminished if the gender ideologists gets their way, gender ideologists who care little for doing anything practical for people with gender dysphoria.
One final point gender ideology is, when you think about it, based on very old-fashioned stereotypes. It assumes that if you are a "butch" girl, a tomboy you must therefore be a boy. Or that if you are a more "feminine" sort of man you must be a girl. This is of course nonsense. These are the sorts of stereotypes which feminism has tried to move away from. Quite why they should now be seen as something to be applauded let alone used as the basis for legislation and medical experimentation on children of a most gruesome kind is beyond me.
I stand for the rights of women. I stand for the rights of people who have gender dysphoria. I stand for the rights of gay people whose sexuality is based on sex not on gender. I do not stand for trans activists who seek attack women and gay people and who do nothing for those with gender dysphoria.
And the reason I feel strongly about this is not just because I am a woman and a feminist. But because I have a gay child and one who went through some of the issues which some gay adolescents go through (worrying about whether he might be trans etc). He is now happily gay and probably quite a feminine sort of man. But who cares? Plus I am a trustee of a primary school and there are some very serious issues around safeguarding which are raised by this ideology.
So apologies for boring you all. But this is an important issue and one which will affect my vote. I will not vote for a party which makes self-ID part of its offering. I will not vote for a party which does not make the maintenance of women's' rights and the sex-based rights under the various Acts which women have had to fight for long and hard over decades a fundamental part of its offering. I will not vote for a party which adopts policies undermining the reality of same sex attraction. I will not vote for a party which thinks that being a woman "is an attitude". Womanhood is a reality not a "feeling".
This is a very male forum. I make no apologies for occasionally bringing a female perspective to it.
The problem is not that this forum is too male: it's that we don't have many trans voices. I know we had one openly-trans poster, whom I sadly don't think has posted for a while. (As I recall, his views were not always as I'd expect, which was brilliant.)
I have known trans people, and one - a good friend - committed suicide. I still miss him. I have also directly seen others being bullied sniggered at etc in offices and on the street. This is the other side of the equation that Ms Free always rejects, e.g. when she outhandedly rejects Stonewall's figures. Behaviour that would be socially unacceptable towards gays or lesbians is fine against too many trans people. I have witnessed this first hand over the years.
I am not a 'gender idealist'. It's just that I accept the world is non-binary; and not just in the case of intersex people. The world is not as neat and tidy as some people want. So we can either accept that it is not tidy, or try to force people into pigeonholes. That latter approach is the one used throughout history, and has led to all sorts of pain for individuals who are different. I prefer the former approach.
I have sympathy for some of her points. Growing up is confusing for many people, and encouraging people to convert as children makes me very uneasy. I don't think changing gender should be made easier. The use of chemicals on children - especially pre-puberty - is wrong IMO.
But too many trans people don't face real issues and dangers that the rest of us do not.
I am not trans. I have no inclination to be, and never have. I am also not a woman. So perhaps I should have no voice in the matter. But those are my views.
Not everyone is born either male or a female. Biologically, there are intersex people.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intersex
Intersex people may be 'Incredibly' rare, or just rare, depending on definition. But they still exist. And deserve a little more understanding than being ignored with "Everyone is born either a male or a female."
(*) Goodness, how I hate using 'intersect' nowadays...
https://www.bacp.co.uk/bacp-journals/private-practice/march-2018/understanding-intersex/
I could believe that 0.02% or 1.7% might be correct, depending on the definition. Intersex is probably a range of things, not all of which might be immediately physically obvious.
I'd love to see other figures.
But it isn't zero.
But anyway this is what I mean by the trans lobby lacking intelligence and rationality. The "not everyone is either male sex or female sex" gambit is like me saying that a coin toss will result in a heads or a tails outcome and them saying "No, no you are wrong, it could land on its edge".
Wow. You're trying to say intersex people are so vanishingly close to zero that they might as well live in Haiti (*), and then you come out with that?
I don't know the true number of intersex people. Which, you might think, is actually a symptom of the problem. People like to pigeonhole others; say they fit into nice little categories. Well, it seems humans are not that simple to pigeonhole. Whether it is boys wanting to date other boys, boys wanting to be girls, or people born with a confusing gender, people are messy and confusing.
We need to start accepting that.
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Ctl C/Ctl V will be no loss. Her deals were barely as good or worse than what we had before. An impossible task anyway.Sandpit said:
That’s a good call.MaxPB said:
Wonder who will get trade then? Maybe Alok Sharma. Seems like a good match.CarlottaVance said:
Nah - Truss is getting her job, or so it's said.....MaxPB said:
Does that mean Raab is unsacked?!CarlottaVance said:The rumour mill:
Moving Michael Gove to @mhclg - as much of Whitehall is now expecting - to oversee levelling up, house building, planning reform, local government would be a bold statement on dealing with regional inequality. #reshuffle
https://twitter.com/SebastianEPayne/status/1438137821500477440?s=20
A shame to lose Truss from Trade, but if she’s off to FCO that makes sense.
Need to find a Cabinet job for Nadhim Zahawi too, now that minister for vaccines is somewhat redundant.0 -
Lots of trips to Northern night clubs.....Sandpit said:
The rumour is Gove to “Minister for levelling-up the North”.TheScreamingEagles said:
I'd love it to be Gove.Sandpit said:
Careful what you wish for. If Patel gets replaced, it’ll be because she’s failed to stop the boats - and that’s what will be top of the inbox for the new HS.Stark_Dawning said:
That would be a biggie. She's the darling of The Daily Express.bigjohnowls said:BBC News - "Doubts over Patel"
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Mrs J's masters was in antennae design. Although she says its more etching out runes than painting them.Scott_xP said:
Antenna design is often just painting runes with conductive mediaJosiasJessop said:Anything wireless is witchcraft.
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And - as before - Dominic Raab always looks angry. Look:Big_G_NorthWales said:Raab just gone into no 10
Apparently looking very angry
https://www.google.com/search?q=dominic+raab&tbm=isch&ved=2ahUKEwj237bzk4HzAhUJVhoKHa3YBtkQ2-cCegQIABAA&oq=dominic+r&gs_lcp=CgNpbWcQARgAMgcIABCxAxBDMgUIABCABDIFCAAQgAQyBQgAEIAEMgUIABCABDIFCAAQgAQyBQgAEIAEMgUIABCABDIFCAAQgAQyBQgAEIAEOgQIABBDOggIABCABBCxAzoICAAQsQMQgwE6CwgAEIAEELEDEIMBUPWUHliFnh5gg6ceaABwAHgBgAHeAYgBswmSAQUzLjUuMZgBAKABAaoBC2d3cy13aXotaW1nwAEB&sclient=img&ei=jf5BYbblKomsaa2xm8gN&bih=643&biw=1366&client=firefox-b-d1 -
It also creates a huge enemy on the backbenches.Sandpit said:
Careful what you wish for. If Patel gets replaced, it’ll be because she’s failed to stop the boats - and that’s what will be top of the inbox for the new HS.Stark_Dawning said:
That would be a biggie. She's the darling of The Daily Express.bigjohnowls said:BBC News - "Doubts over Patel"
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Whereas this creates a good impression?Leon said:More news from the lovely unspoiled Faroes
“As soon as hunters realized how large the pod was, Read said, the hunt should have been called off. Now, as a result of excess killing, they were burning some of the blubber of over 1,000 dolphins in an incinerator, he said.
“Because if they drag the blubber out to sea, it’ll carry on floating around and washing up on all the beaches for weeks,” he said. “The only other option is to send them away in trucks, tip them over cliffs into the sea, or put them in a landfill slide or drag them back out, and that’s going to look absolutely shocking in the media.””
https://www.vice.com/en/article/bvze7q/faroe-islands-dolphin-killing-grind
Needs stopping. Now would be good.0 -
Sky suggesting
Raab to deputy PM with no portfolio
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No, NATO is still useful for containing Russia. As it was designed to do.Leon said:
NATO is dying. Sadly.williamglenn said:
Could it be something more ambitious like a mutual defence treaty?Philip_Thompson said:
Ardern and Trudeau being cut out of Five Eyes? 🤔CarlottaVance said:President Joe Biden will announce a new working group with Britain and Australia to share advanced technologies in a thinly veiled bid to counter China, a White House official and a Congressional staffer told POLITICO.
The trio, which will be known by the acronym AUUKUS, will make it easier for the nations to share information and know-how in key technological areas like artificial intelligence, cyber, underwater systems and long-range strike capabilities
One of the people said there will be a nuclear element to the pact in which the U.S. and U.K. share their knowledge of how to maintain nuclear-defense infrastructure.
https://www.politico.com/news/2021/09/15/biden-deal-uk-australia-defense-tech-sharing-511877
Australian rumours that they may junk their French sub deal.....
But it was never built for dealing with China. That, as you say, needs other arrangements.
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Is it naive to think he wouldn't have gone into Number 10 unless they'd already agreed what role he is accepting? So this now is a formality?Big_G_NorthWales said:Raab just gone into no 10
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The new Nick Clegg?Big_G_NorthWales said:Sky suggesting
Raab to deputy PM with no portfolio
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From big job and nominal precedence over others to non job. You have to at least have something else with the deputy gig.Big_G_NorthWales said:Sky suggesting
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Yes - his new role confirmedPhilip_Thompson said:
Is it naive to think he wouldn't have gone into Number 10 unless they'd already agreed what role he is accepting? So this now is a formality?Big_G_NorthWales said:Raab just gone into no 10
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That does make sense, if Gove is getting a department from the MWOPBig_G_NorthWales said:Sky suggesting
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Priti has taken her protection officer with her into No. 10. Must be expecting a meeting with no biscuits.1
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"trips"FrancisUrquhart said:
Lots of trips to Northern night clubs.....Sandpit said:
The rumour is Gove to “Minister for levelling-up the North”.TheScreamingEagles said:
I'd love it to be Gove.Sandpit said:
Careful what you wish for. If Patel gets replaced, it’ll be because she’s failed to stop the boats - and that’s what will be top of the inbox for the new HS.Stark_Dawning said:
That would be a biggie. She's the darling of The Daily Express.bigjohnowls said:BBC News - "Doubts over Patel"
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No reward for failure......Big_G_NorthWales said:Raab appointed Justice Secretary, Lord Chancellor and Deputy PM
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No justice for Raab as Raab moves to Justice.1
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Decent return for him given speculation. Not a Great Office, but then Health is more imp than Foreign these days so being second rank at Justice may not be that bad either.Big_G_NorthWales said:Raab appointed Justice Secretary, Lord Chancellor and Deputy PM
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Truss must be favourite for Foreign Secretary0
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Raab takes Justice after a bit of barney... seems to have wrangled a promotion from First Sec to Deputy PM as after a row
https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/1438145688236400650?s=20
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Car right to door too.SandyRentool said:Priti has taken her protection officer with her into No. 10. Must be expecting a meeting with no biscuits.
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Knock the zero off the end and I might consider it to be a bargain!Sandpit said:
I paid £180 for my iPhone. The trick is not to buy the latest model, but find the three-year-old models still on sale online.SandyRentool said:
The words 'iPhone' and 'bargain' do not sit within the same region of the Venn diagram.OldKingCole said:
I'm about to go and get new iPhones for self and wife. Should, if I don't buy the newest, to get a bargain, with luck.Philip_Thompson said:
I dislike USB-C. My cables have a tendency to wear out more than USB-B did and the connector on devices seems easier to fail too.FrancisUrquhart said:
Even iPad have gone USB-C now.RochdalePioneers said:
How are they supposed to sell you overpriced dongles if they adopt the standard?FrancisUrquhart said:How has the iCrap 13 still not got USB-C ? We aren't in 2015 anymore.
My phone won't charge via USB C anymore. I can only charge it wirelessly which is slower and less convenient.
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Probably the Lord Chancellorship swung it.kle4 said:
Decent return for him given speculation. Not a Great Office, but then Health is more imp than Foreign these days so being second rank at Justice may not be that bad either.Big_G_NorthWales said:Raab appointed Justice Secretary, Lord Chancellor and Deputy PM
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It wouldn't surprise me if Boris Johnson accidentally reshuffled himself. What an outcome that would be.0
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Labour could have skewered that incompetent clown far more and made far more of it than they did.dixiedean said:
Fortunately for her, Williamson was lethal when it came to putting it in his own net.Taz said:
Green and Williamson. Like those two teams who ended a soccer game trying to score own goals0 -
He's a pound shop Sir Geoffrey Howe.Big_G_NorthWales said:Raab appointed Justice Secretary, Lord Chancellor and Deputy PM
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O/T but it looks as if Trudeau's bounce in the polls from the debates has faded, and the Conservatives are back in the lead.2
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Is Raab's movement actually a demotion ?
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Hold on, has Raab just done an Angela Rayner on Johnson6
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First sec to deputy pm is not a promotion. Neither grants you official rights to succeed the PM after all, and I believe most of the time one or the other is used, not both (except during the Coalition) so they are not competing positions.CarlottaVance said:Raab takes Justice after a bit of barney... seems to have wrangled a promotion from First Sec to Deputy PM as after a row
https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/1438145688236400650?s=20
Couldn't do one job, so lets give him 3.....0 -
Didn't Johnson attack Starmer earlier for the same thing1
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BBC saying it is a demotionPulpstar said:Is Raab's movement actually a demotion ?
Slight I'd say.0 -
Done a Geoffrey Howe.CorrectHorseBattery said:Hold on, has Raab just done an Angela Rayner on Johnson
Demoted from the Foreign Office but made it look good with getting the title Deputy Prime Minister.
Narrator: 15 months later Howe helped topple Thatcher.4 -
Doesn’t Home Secretary still get an enhanced personal security detail, compared to your average Cabinet minister who just gets a driver?bigjohnowls said:
Car right to door too.SandyRentool said:Priti has taken her protection officer with her into No. 10. Must be expecting a meeting with no biscuits.
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All the Tories who said Starmer was weak and useless, I am sure will be straight out to call BoJo the same, after Raab just pulled the same move.
Anyone? Anyone?0 -
Liz Truss into no 101
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You can buy a phone for £18? I don’t mean get one as part of a two-year contract from a network, I mean buy the phone outright.SandyRentool said:
Knock the zero off the end and I might consider it to be a bargain!Sandpit said:
I paid £180 for my iPhone. The trick is not to buy the latest model, but find the three-year-old models still on sale online.SandyRentool said:
The words 'iPhone' and 'bargain' do not sit within the same region of the Venn diagram.OldKingCole said:
I'm about to go and get new iPhones for self and wife. Should, if I don't buy the newest, to get a bargain, with luck.Philip_Thompson said:
I dislike USB-C. My cables have a tendency to wear out more than USB-B did and the connector on devices seems easier to fail too.FrancisUrquhart said:
Even iPad have gone USB-C now.RochdalePioneers said:
How are they supposed to sell you overpriced dongles if they adopt the standard?FrancisUrquhart said:How has the iCrap 13 still not got USB-C ? We aren't in 2015 anymore.
My phone won't charge via USB C anymore. I can only charge it wirelessly which is slower and less convenient.
Samsung S9+ FWIW.0 -
Or number 11. With Rishi to FOBig_G_NorthWales said:Truss must be favourite for Foreign Secretary
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The Truss inside No. 10...0
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Cabinet position "fluid"NickPalmer said:
Her job? Raab is trans, you reckon?CarlottaVance said:
Nah - Truss is getting her job, or so it's said.....MaxPB said:
Does that mean Raab is unsacked?!CarlottaVance said:The rumour mill:
Moving Michael Gove to @mhclg - as much of Whitehall is now expecting - to oversee levelling up, house building, planning reform, local government would be a bold statement on dealing with regional inequality. #reshuffle
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Definitely. He unsacked himself.CorrectHorseBattery said:Hold on, has Raab just done an Angela Rayner on Johnson
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There was something about Rishi’s eyes in the house today. Like he was on something.gealbhan said:
Or number 11. With Rishi to FOBig_G_NorthWales said:Truss must be favourite for Foreign Secretary
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I'm too lazy to check, but how long was it from the Night of the Long Knives to Supermac's resignation?TheScreamingEagles said:
Done a Geoffrey Howe.CorrectHorseBattery said:Hold on, has Raab just done an Angela Rayner on Johnson
Demoted from the Foreign Office but made it look good with getting the title Deputy Prime Minister.
Narrator: 15 months later Howe helped topple Thatcher.
And who is this government's Lord Home?0 -
The same reason we promote people from Executive VP to Senior VP.kle4 said:
First sec to deputy pm is not a promotion. Neither grants you official rights to succeed the PM after all, and I believe most of the time one or the other is used, not both (except during the Coalition) so they are not competing positions.CarlottaVance said:Raab takes Justice after a bit of barney... seems to have wrangled a promotion from First Sec to Deputy PM as after a row
https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/1438145688236400650?s=20
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What? We need to *start* accepting boys wanting to date other boys?JosiasJessop said:
"But anyway this is what I mean by the trans lobby lacking intelligence and rationality."Stocky said:
That's the population of Leicester. A ridiculous figure taken from a unpublished dissertation. So somewhere between zero and the population of :Leicester. I'm betting much closer to zero.JosiasJessop said:
A god question, and it probably depends on the definition of 'intersex'. The following says over 300k, which seems massively high to me:Stocky said:
Sure. I wonder how many exist in the UK?JosiasJessop said:
Of course not, although the groups might intersect (*)Stocky said:
Gosh, that one is fast becoming an old chestnut. This is incredibly rare. Are you suggesting that transgender people are "intersex" people?JosiasJessop said:
"Everyone is born either a male or a female."Cookie said:
And yet - in this one particular respect - the world IS neat and tidy. Everyone is born either a male or a female. They may not want to live a stereotypically male or female life, and we should not force them to do so - but biological non-binarism(?) is a fiction.JosiasJessop said:
Oddly, many women and feminists disagree with Ms Free's views on this. Including Mrs J. Ms Free does speak from her own perspective, not that of all women or feminists.Stocky said:
Excellent post. I don't think you are bringing a female perspective into it. I think you are bringing rationality into it.Cyclefree said:The argument is not about trans rights. The reality is that there are no legal rights which other groups have which trans people lack. Women have no issue with people with gender dysphoria getting the help, resources and kindness and care they need.
The argument is about women's rights which will be seriously harmed and diminished if the gender ideologists gets their way, gender ideologists who care little for doing anything practical for people with gender dysphoria.
One final point gender ideology is, when you think about it, based on very old-fashioned stereotypes. It assumes that if you are a "butch" girl, a tomboy you must therefore be a boy. Or that if you are a more "feminine" sort of man you must be a girl. This is of course nonsense. These are the sorts of stereotypes which feminism has tried to move away from. Quite why they should now be seen as something to be applauded let alone used as the basis for legislation and medical experimentation on children of a most gruesome kind is beyond me.
I stand for the rights of women. I stand for the rights of people who have gender dysphoria. I stand for the rights of gay people whose sexuality is based on sex not on gender. I do not stand for trans activists who seek attack women and gay people and who do nothing for those with gender dysphoria.
And the reason I feel strongly about this is not just because I am a woman and a feminist. But because I have a gay child and one who went through some of the issues which some gay adolescents go through (worrying about whether he might be trans etc). He is now happily gay and probably quite a feminine sort of man. But who cares? Plus I am a trustee of a primary school and there are some very serious issues around safeguarding which are raised by this ideology.
So apologies for boring you all. But this is an important issue and one which will affect my vote. I will not vote for a party which makes self-ID part of its offering. I will not vote for a party which does not make the maintenance of women's' rights and the sex-based rights under the various Acts which women have had to fight for long and hard over decades a fundamental part of its offering. I will not vote for a party which adopts policies undermining the reality of same sex attraction. I will not vote for a party which thinks that being a woman "is an attitude". Womanhood is a reality not a "feeling".
This is a very male forum. I make no apologies for occasionally bringing a female perspective to it.
The problem is not that this forum is too male: it's that we don't have many trans voices. I know we had one openly-trans poster, whom I sadly don't think has posted for a while. (As I recall, his views were not always as I'd expect, which was brilliant.)
I have known trans people, and one - a good friend - committed suicide. I still miss him. I have also directly seen others being bullied sniggered at etc in offices and on the street. This is the other side of the equation that Ms Free always rejects, e.g. when she outhandedly rejects Stonewall's figures. Behaviour that would be socially unacceptable towards gays or lesbians is fine against too many trans people. I have witnessed this first hand over the years.
I am not a 'gender idealist'. It's just that I accept the world is non-binary; and not just in the case of intersex people. The world is not as neat and tidy as some people want. So we can either accept that it is not tidy, or try to force people into pigeonholes. That latter approach is the one used throughout history, and has led to all sorts of pain for individuals who are different. I prefer the former approach.
I have sympathy for some of her points. Growing up is confusing for many people, and encouraging people to convert as children makes me very uneasy. I don't think changing gender should be made easier. The use of chemicals on children - especially pre-puberty - is wrong IMO.
But too many trans people don't face real issues and dangers that the rest of us do not.
I am not trans. I have no inclination to be, and never have. I am also not a woman. So perhaps I should have no voice in the matter. But those are my views.
Not everyone is born either male or a female. Biologically, there are intersex people.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intersex
Intersex people may be 'Incredibly' rare, or just rare, depending on definition. But they still exist. And deserve a little more understanding than being ignored with "Everyone is born either a male or a female."
(*) Goodness, how I hate using 'intersect' nowadays...
https://www.bacp.co.uk/bacp-journals/private-practice/march-2018/understanding-intersex/
I could believe that 0.02% or 1.7% might be correct, depending on the definition. Intersex is probably a range of things, not all of which might be immediately physically obvious.
I'd love to see other figures.
But it isn't zero.
But anyway this is what I mean by the trans lobby lacking intelligence and rationality. The "not everyone is either male sex or female sex" gambit is like me saying that a coin toss will result in a heads or a tails outcome and them saying "No, no you are wrong, it could land on its edge".
Wow. You're trying to say intersex people are so vanishingly close to zero that they might as well live in Haiti (*), and then you come out with that?
I don't know the true number of intersex people. Which, you might think, is actually a symptom of the problem. People like to pigeonhole others; say they fit into nice little categories. Well, it seems humans are not that simple to pigeonhole. Whether it is boys wanting to date other boys, boys wanting to be girls, or people born with a confusing gender, people are messy and confusing.
We need to start accepting that.
(*) For anyone reading this morning's thread...
The transgender people I know are happy getting on with life and anywhere between neutral and seriously hostile to people purporting to activise on their behalf. It's like the anti apartheid stuff in the 70s and 80s: go down to a South African township, and the quickest way to get severely beaten or killed, other than wear a Rolex, is to start giving it large about how you stood shoulder to shoulder with them in the fight against racial injustice. People are just sooooo ungrateful.0 -
Do you think Raab has the same stature as Howe did?TheScreamingEagles said:
Done a Geoffrey Howe.CorrectHorseBattery said:Hold on, has Raab just done an Angela Rayner on Johnson
Demoted from the Foreign Office but made it look good with getting the title Deputy Prime Minister.
Narrator: 15 months later Howe helped topple Thatcher.0 -
Comes with the Justice gig doesnt it?OldKingCole said:
Probably the Lord Chancellorship swung it.kle4 said:
Decent return for him given speculation. Not a Great Office, but then Health is more imp than Foreign these days so being second rank at Justice may not be that bad either.Big_G_NorthWales said:Raab appointed Justice Secretary, Lord Chancellor and Deputy PM
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If Westminster does not play ball, the long-standing Scottish nationalist plan for negotiated independence collapses. Even if moderate independence supporters were on board with a Scottish UDI – a big ‘if’ – no country Scotland would want as an ally will recognise its independence against the wishes of the British government. Whatever the current state of the transatlantic alliance, no American President would recognise an independent Scotland against the wishes of Downing Street. Spain would not countenance a ‘breakaway’ state’s accession to the EU: that’s why it accepts Montenegro’s candidacy (because it separated with the consent of Serbia) but not Kosovo’s (because it separated from Serbia without its consent). Even China and Russia might balk at recognising Scotland, mindful of their own separatist problems. So a Scottish government seeking recognition in these circumstances would meet the same flat refusal as that encountered by Éamon de Valera’s emissaries to Woodrow Wilson and Georges Clemenceau in 1919, and Scotland would not be a recognised independent state.
https://constitution-unit.com/2021/09/15/scotlands-place-in-the-union-will-not-be-decided-in-the-courts-only-politicians-can-enable-or-prevent-independence/1 -
I actually think they might finally yield now. Or seek some new compromise, to let smaller hunts continuedixiedean said:
Whereas this creates a good impression?Leon said:More news from the lovely unspoiled Faroes
“As soon as hunters realized how large the pod was, Read said, the hunt should have been called off. Now, as a result of excess killing, they were burning some of the blubber of over 1,000 dolphins in an incinerator, he said.
“Because if they drag the blubber out to sea, it’ll carry on floating around and washing up on all the beaches for weeks,” he said. “The only other option is to send them away in trucks, tip them over cliffs into the sea, or put them in a landfill slide or drag them back out, and that’s going to look absolutely shocking in the media.””
https://www.vice.com/en/article/bvze7q/faroe-islands-dolphin-killing-grind
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I think the last one I bought was £10.Sandpit said:
You can buy a phone for £18? I don’t mean get one as part of a two-year contract from a network, I mean buy the phone outright.SandyRentool said:
Knock the zero off the end and I might consider it to be a bargain!Sandpit said:
I paid £180 for my iPhone. The trick is not to buy the latest model, but find the three-year-old models still on sale online.SandyRentool said:
The words 'iPhone' and 'bargain' do not sit within the same region of the Venn diagram.OldKingCole said:
I'm about to go and get new iPhones for self and wife. Should, if I don't buy the newest, to get a bargain, with luck.Philip_Thompson said:
I dislike USB-C. My cables have a tendency to wear out more than USB-B did and the connector on devices seems easier to fail too.FrancisUrquhart said:
Even iPad have gone USB-C now.RochdalePioneers said:
How are they supposed to sell you overpriced dongles if they adopt the standard?FrancisUrquhart said:How has the iCrap 13 still not got USB-C ? We aren't in 2015 anymore.
My phone won't charge via USB C anymore. I can only charge it wirelessly which is slower and less convenient.
Samsung S9+ FWIW.0 -
Boris has gone!!Big_G_NorthWales said:Liz Truss into no 10
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Fifteen months from the knight of the long knives to Supermac's resignation.Stuartinromford said:
I'm too lazy to check, but how long was it from the Night of the Long Knives to Supermac's resignation?TheScreamingEagles said:
Done a Geoffrey Howe.CorrectHorseBattery said:Hold on, has Raab just done an Angela Rayner on Johnson
Demoted from the Foreign Office but made it look good with getting the title Deputy Prime Minister.
Narrator: 15 months later Howe helped topple Thatcher.
And who is this government's Lord Home?0 -
Has anyone done the "Truss offers full support" gag?bigjohnowls said:
Boris has gone!!Big_G_NorthWales said:Liz Truss into no 10
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I guess Boris can't make his 'fire and rehire' gag about Labour's deputy leader anymore.
Although I suppose at least with Raab it didn't take days.0 -
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He might not realise that.kle4 said:
Comes with the Justice gig doesnt it?OldKingCole said:
Probably the Lord Chancellorship swung it.kle4 said:
Decent return for him given speculation. Not a Great Office, but then Health is more imp than Foreign these days so being second rank at Justice may not be that bad either.Big_G_NorthWales said:Raab appointed Justice Secretary, Lord Chancellor and Deputy PM
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I am convinced at this point that BoJo is trying to throw his polling lead on purposePhilip_Thompson said:I guess Boris can't make his 'fire and rehire' gag about Labour's deputy leader anymore.
Although I suppose at least with Raab it didn't take days.0 -
Poor soulBig_G_NorthWales said:Rishi staying as Chancellor
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Amanda Milling sacked0
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The Rt Hon Rishi Sunak MP @RishiSunak remains Chancellor of the Exchequer @HMTreasury #Reshuffle
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Rayner just called Gavin Williamson a “prat”. Government in waiting?CorrectHorseBattery said:All the Tories who said Starmer was weak and useless, I am sure will be straight out to call BoJo the same, after Raab just pulled the same move.
Anyone? Anyone?
When it comes to Rayner, Starmer is weak and useless.
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BBC asking where did it start going wrong for Gavin Williamson
25 June 1976 i suggest8 -
How does Raab have enough clout to do that? Why does Johnson have to give a fuck what Raab says or does?CorrectHorseBattery said:Hold on, has Raab just done an Angela Rayner on Johnson
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