For 78-year-old Biden not being Trump is no longer enough – politicalbetting.com
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By coincidence, England India were all out for 78 today.Andy_JS said:The problem isn't being 78 per se. There are lots of people that age who are still as sharp as ever.
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This is the story:rottenborough said:Paging @Foxy
"A-level result parties fuel 'astonishing' Covid surge in historic market town in Leicester, health chiefs warn"
Mail
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9925601/amp/Student-level-result-parties-blamed-astonishing-Covid-boom-Leicestershire-district.html?__twitter_impression=true
Though Market Harborough isn't particularly bad, except in this age group. Leicester itself is 25th now in the country overall.
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There's a lot of strategy in test cricket which you just don't understand, Sunil. England have fallen straight into India's trap.Sunil_Prasannan said:
By coincidence, England India were all out for 78 today.Andy_JS said:The problem isn't being 78 per se. There are lots of people that age who are still as sharp as ever.
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It is remarkable how quickly the prestige of the US slid down the toilet through the presidency of Trump. They've had lots of suspect presidents including a father and son and almost a husband and wife but Trump is the first one to have turned the whole country into a laughing stock . I agree you can't blame Biden. No American President is going to be treated with much respect because any system that can throw up Trump isn't to be taken seriouslyFF43 said:Joe Biden's problem has nothing to do with his age. He seems remarkably clear sighted in his determination to get out of Afghanistan. The problem is poor intelligence and planning, which he is taking the hit for. Nevertheless if people perceive age to be an issue, it is a problem for him.
He is about 8 percentage points more popular than Trump was at this point of his presidency. In fact he is still more popular than Trump was at any point - but we need to bear in mind the Republicans get a big bias from the electoral system.
29% for the next Democratic nomination looks value to me, but I am hopeless at reading American politics.
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Easier said than done in many of these sectors. Many veg and especially fruit farmers are forced to rely on cheap imported labour to bring in the harvest for good reasons. It's typically uneconomic for British workers to take on these kinds of low-paid seasonal jobs, nobody has invented machinery to replace them, and if farmers put up the wages enough to attract the UK workforce then they'll be forced to pass the costs on to the supermarkets - which won't pay them, and will try to source all their produce from abroad instead.Charles said:
Pay your staff more. Invest in technology to improve productivityScott_xP said:Business leaders call for relaxation of post-Brexit visa rules as predictions over exodus of EU workers in low paid jobs realised. Worst supply chain crisis since 70s say industry chiefs https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/aug/25/business-leaders-call-for-relaxation-of-post-brexit-visa-rules?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
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It seems to me like a very mixed picture. I noticed today that mask wearing in the supermarket was on the increase, but on the train it seems to be on the decrease. My theory is that people take their masks with them and basically make judgements on whether or not to wear a mask based on what other people are doing. That, if I am honest, is what I do.DougSeal said:
My observation on this topic - District Line (spacious walk through carriages, lots of space) mask wearing 80%+. Central Line (ancient crowded trains, standing room only) 50% masks tops. Dropping in both cases though.DecrepiterJohnL said:
Yesterday I took the two lines into town just after rush hour and home again at the tail end, with most seats taken but only one or two standing for the most part, I'd say the vast majority were wearing masks, and mostly but not always covering mouth and nose.TOPPING said:Mask wearing on the tube is dropping I would say.
One woman on the train seemed to have a mild panic attack seeing the lack of mask wearing. A guy I know who is a singer in a punk band continues to go to gigs wearing a mask, the only person in the room doing so, he says he is hoping for a new lockdown but is still playing a gig next week with his band. This just seems like evidence of a kind of a mass psychotic episode.1 -
UK government set to radically scale back HS2 eastern route https://on.ft.com/3ko424y0
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Indeed. It’s been too warm down there recently and people have opted to drop the masks.TOPPING said:Mask wearing on the tube is dropping I would say.
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‘Lisa Nandy had never mentioned Afghanistan in the House of Commons until last week.’CarlottaVance said:Demolition job on Labour "holding the government to account" on Afghanistan:
Yesterday, Matt Chorley said shadow foreign secretary Lisa Nandy had never mentioned Afghanistan in the House of Commons until last week.
He now admits he got it wrong... it's actually a lot worse than that.
@MattChorley
https://twitter.com/TimesRadio/status/1430473447210115076?s=20
I’m sure PB can empathise.2 -
Leicestershire seems to have been a mega covidian hotspot since this saga began. It’s absolutely bizarre.Foxy said:
This is the story:rottenborough said:Paging @Foxy
"A-level result parties fuel 'astonishing' Covid surge in historic market town in Leicester, health chiefs warn"
Mail
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9925601/amp/Student-level-result-parties-blamed-astonishing-Covid-boom-Leicestershire-district.html?__twitter_impression=true
Though Market Harborough isn't particularly bad, except in this age group. Leicester itself is 25th now in the country overall.
I am down on the IoW for the week though.1 -
As an outsider I don't see that Labour need to detach from the unions per se, it's part of their identity albeit merely being a union mouthpiece is no good either. But if you get to a position where senior MPs seem like they'd rather be union leaders and union leaders want to be leader of the opposition, well, things get confused.kinabalu said:
I don't want to see Labour detach from the unions. The union link keeps them grounded and in touch with their roots. Labour without the unions would be like the kid who leaves his blue collar town for a top uni and doesn't go home for Christmas.kle4 said:
Union bosses will to some degree have to get involved in national politics, but some of the recent ones give the impression theyd much rather be politicians than it just being part of the job.rottenborough said:On the Unite 'surprise':
"Ms Graham said she has 'simple beliefs' that trade unions exist to fight bad employers and the way to do that is to build the strength of the union at the workplace first.
She said: I have built Unite through the organising department, at the workplace, across industries, fighting bad bosses."
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The unions need to meet the party halfway, not act as though their job is to be hyper vigilant over every element of labour party policy and leadership.1 -
Who the hell hopes for a lockdown?darkage said:
It seems to me like a very mixed picture. I noticed today that mask wearing in the supermarket was on the increase, but on the train it seems to be on the decrease. My theory is that people take their masks with them and basically make judgements on whether or not to wear a mask based on what other people are doing. That, if I am honest, is what I do.DougSeal said:
My observation on this topic - District Line (spacious walk through carriages, lots of space) mask wearing 80%+. Central Line (ancient crowded trains, standing room only) 50% masks tops. Dropping in both cases though.DecrepiterJohnL said:
Yesterday I took the two lines into town just after rush hour and home again at the tail end, with most seats taken but only one or two standing for the most part, I'd say the vast majority were wearing masks, and mostly but not always covering mouth and nose.TOPPING said:Mask wearing on the tube is dropping I would say.
One woman on the train seemed to have a mild panic attack seeing the lack of mask wearing. A guy I know who is a singer in a punk band continues to go to gigs wearing a mask, the only person in the room doing so, he says he is hoping for a new lockdown but is still playing a gig next week with his band. This just seems like evidence of a kind of a mass psychotic episode.0 -
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We are back to pretty much 100% mask wearing in supermarkets, and proof of vaccination in restaurants in Montgomery Co, Maryland.darkage said:
It seems to me like a very mixed picture. I noticed today that mask wearing in the supermarket was on the increase, but on the train it seems to be on the decrease. My theory is that people take their masks with them and basically make judgements on whether or not to wear a mask based on what other people are doing. That, if I am honest, is what I do.DougSeal said:
My observation on this topic - District Line (spacious walk through carriages, lots of space) mask wearing 80%+. Central Line (ancient crowded trains, standing room only) 50% masks tops. Dropping in both cases though.DecrepiterJohnL said:
Yesterday I took the two lines into town just after rush hour and home again at the tail end, with most seats taken but only one or two standing for the most part, I'd say the vast majority were wearing masks, and mostly but not always covering mouth and nose.TOPPING said:Mask wearing on the tube is dropping I would say.
One woman on the train seemed to have a mild panic attack seeing the lack of mask wearing. A guy I know who is a singer in a punk band continues to go to gigs wearing a mask, the only person in the room doing so, he says he is hoping for a new lockdown but is still playing a gig next week with his band. This just seems like evidence of a kind of a mass psychotic episode.
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Best to cancel HS2 altogether what a waste of money.Scott_xP said:UK government set to radically scale back HS2 eastern route https://on.ft.com/3ko424y
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Not really. Harborough and some of the other ares have often been below the national average. It is the City and immediate suburbs that have been higher.Anabobazina said:
Leicestershire seems to have been a mega covidian hotspot since this saga began. It’s absolutely bizarre.Foxy said:
This is the story:rottenborough said:Paging @Foxy
"A-level result parties fuel 'astonishing' Covid surge in historic market town in Leicester, health chiefs warn"
Mail
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9925601/amp/Student-level-result-parties-blamed-astonishing-Covid-boom-Leicestershire-district.html?__twitter_impression=true
Though Market Harborough isn't particularly bad, except in this age group. Leicester itself is 25th now in the country overall.
I am down on the IoW for the week though.0 -
Probably been already said but England were fantastic at Headingley today. I have no idea what got into India - Jimmy was the only bowler who was really swinging the ball. Long way to go in this series yet.0
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And the guy himself has made a living out of recreating that photo on major anniversaries of the album's release.IshmaelZ said:
It is about time these abusive litigations are punished severely.1 -
Haha brilliant!CarlottaVance said:Demolition job on Labour "holding the government to account" on Afghanistan:
Yesterday, Matt Chorley said shadow foreign secretary Lisa Nandy had never mentioned Afghanistan in the House of Commons until last week.
He now admits he got it wrong... it's actually a lot worse than that.
@MattChorley
https://twitter.com/TimesRadio/status/1430473447210115076?s=20
They’ve hardly ever mentioned it!
Nandy not at all, Healey twice, in passing, Sir Keir not one question at PMQs… and now, after the event, it’s all full on faux outrageux about the lack of planning!!!
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Good for her. What was there to say?Theuniondivvie said:
‘Lisa Nandy had never mentioned Afghanistan in the House of Commons until last week.’CarlottaVance said:Demolition job on Labour "holding the government to account" on Afghanistan:
Yesterday, Matt Chorley said shadow foreign secretary Lisa Nandy had never mentioned Afghanistan in the House of Commons until last week.
He now admits he got it wrong... it's actually a lot worse than that.
@MattChorley
https://twitter.com/TimesRadio/status/1430473447210115076?s=20
I’m sure PB can empathise.
What is there now to say?
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Much of the Tube is an oven, even in midwinter. One more good reason to avoid going into London under normal circumstances.Anabobazina said:
Indeed. It’s been too warm down there recently and people have opted to drop the masks.TOPPING said:Mask wearing on the tube is dropping I would say.
There are reasonable questions to be asked about how many hundreds of billions of pounds should be spent on HS2. There are so many other potential priorities and only a finite amount of cash available. To govern is to choose, etc.Scott_xP said:UK government set to radically scale back HS2 eastern route https://on.ft.com/3ko424y
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Long way to go in this game. We need to press home the advantage get 300+. If we do that then we win the game. Very good for us today wasn't expecting that 👍Anabobazina said:Probably been already said but England were fantastic at Headingley today. I have no idea what got into India - Jimmy was the only bowler who was really swinging the ball. Long way to go in this series yet.
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There is no problem holding politicians to a higher level of expectation than we hold ourselves to, especially when they either hold power over us, want to hold power over us, or are making specific claims about their personal political effectiveness or exercise of power/scrutiny of power.Theuniondivvie said:
‘Lisa Nandy had never mentioned Afghanistan in the House of Commons until last week.’CarlottaVance said:Demolition job on Labour "holding the government to account" on Afghanistan:
Yesterday, Matt Chorley said shadow foreign secretary Lisa Nandy had never mentioned Afghanistan in the House of Commons until last week.
He now admits he got it wrong... it's actually a lot worse than that.
@MattChorley
https://twitter.com/TimesRadio/status/1430473447210115076?s=20
I’m sure PB can empathise.
I prefer not to even think about Afghanistan if I can help it, since it's a complete bloody mess. Raab, and to a lesser extent Nandy, have far less excuse and can be given short shrift if they puff up their efforts regarding it. His taking his eye off the ball is more critical, but if she has not actually been bringing it up she can be criticised as well if giving the impression she had.0 -
You’d be surprised…DougSeal said:
Who the hell hopes for a lockdown?darkage said:
It seems to me like a very mixed picture. I noticed today that mask wearing in the supermarket was on the increase, but on the train it seems to be on the decrease. My theory is that people take their masks with them and basically make judgements on whether or not to wear a mask based on what other people are doing. That, if I am honest, is what I do.DougSeal said:
My observation on this topic - District Line (spacious walk through carriages, lots of space) mask wearing 80%+. Central Line (ancient crowded trains, standing room only) 50% masks tops. Dropping in both cases though.DecrepiterJohnL said:
Yesterday I took the two lines into town just after rush hour and home again at the tail end, with most seats taken but only one or two standing for the most part, I'd say the vast majority were wearing masks, and mostly but not always covering mouth and nose.TOPPING said:Mask wearing on the tube is dropping I would say.
One woman on the train seemed to have a mild panic attack seeing the lack of mask wearing. A guy I know who is a singer in a punk band continues to go to gigs wearing a mask, the only person in the room doing so, he says he is hoping for a new lockdown but is still playing a gig next week with his band. This just seems like evidence of a kind of a mass psychotic episode.0 -
Fascinating London Underground fact. When it first opened people went down into the Tube to cool off. The temperature of the surrounding clay was only about 14C but 150 years of heat absorption has risen that to 19c-25C and as a result it’s a sweltering nightmare.3
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They do have the technology - Dexter Paine over at Paine Schwartz has one in his portfolio IIRCpigeon said:
Easier said than done in many of these sectors. Many veg and especially fruit farmers are forced to rely on cheap imported labour to bring in the harvest for good reasons. It's typically uneconomic for British workers to take on these kinds of low-paid seasonal jobs, nobody has invented machinery to replace them, and if farmers put up the wages enough to attract the UK workforce then they'll be forced to pass the costs on to the supermarkets - which won't pay them, and will try to source all their produce from abroad instead.Charles said:
Pay your staff more. Invest in technology to improve productivityScott_xP said:Business leaders call for relaxation of post-Brexit visa rules as predictions over exodus of EU workers in low paid jobs realised. Worst supply chain crisis since 70s say industry chiefs https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/aug/25/business-leaders-call-for-relaxation-of-post-brexit-visa-rules?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
More to the point they have a scheme for temporary visas for agricultural workers0 -
It need not be faux outrage, it would still be on the government to plan things properly even if no one was holding their feet to the fire about it. Scrutiny helps deliver better policy but it is not a requirement, and outrage can be had if it was not done well. But opposition also cannot retroactively invent their own earlier interest if it was not there, assuming Chorley is correct.isam said:
Haha brilliant!CarlottaVance said:Demolition job on Labour "holding the government to account" on Afghanistan:
Yesterday, Matt Chorley said shadow foreign secretary Lisa Nandy had never mentioned Afghanistan in the House of Commons until last week.
He now admits he got it wrong... it's actually a lot worse than that.
@MattChorley
https://twitter.com/TimesRadio/status/1430473447210115076?s=20
They’ve hardly ever mentioned it!
Nandy not at all, Healey twice, in passing, Sir Keir not one question at PMQs… and now, after the event, it’s all full on faux outrageux about the lack of planning!!!
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*Extreme introvertsDougSeal said:
Who the hell hopes for a lockdown?darkage said:
It seems to me like a very mixed picture. I noticed today that mask wearing in the supermarket was on the increase, but on the train it seems to be on the decrease. My theory is that people take their masks with them and basically make judgements on whether or not to wear a mask based on what other people are doing. That, if I am honest, is what I do.DougSeal said:
My observation on this topic - District Line (spacious walk through carriages, lots of space) mask wearing 80%+. Central Line (ancient crowded trains, standing room only) 50% masks tops. Dropping in both cases though.DecrepiterJohnL said:
Yesterday I took the two lines into town just after rush hour and home again at the tail end, with most seats taken but only one or two standing for the most part, I'd say the vast majority were wearing masks, and mostly but not always covering mouth and nose.TOPPING said:Mask wearing on the tube is dropping I would say.
One woman on the train seemed to have a mild panic attack seeing the lack of mask wearing. A guy I know who is a singer in a punk band continues to go to gigs wearing a mask, the only person in the room doing so, he says he is hoping for a new lockdown but is still playing a gig next week with his band. This just seems like evidence of a kind of a mass psychotic episode.
*Sociopaths
*Members of ISAGE
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Listen to the Times Radio clip - she pretended on QT the government were dodging scrutiny in on Afghanistan, yet Labour never pressed them on it, never ranked any urgent questions, Sir Keir never mentioned it at PMQs, zilcho, nada… she was lyingkle4 said:
There is no problem holding politicians to a higher level of expectation than we hold ourselves to, especially when they either hold power over us, want to hold power over us, or are making specific claims about their personal political effectiveness or exercise of power/scrutiny of power.Theuniondivvie said:
‘Lisa Nandy had never mentioned Afghanistan in the House of Commons until last week.’CarlottaVance said:Demolition job on Labour "holding the government to account" on Afghanistan:
Yesterday, Matt Chorley said shadow foreign secretary Lisa Nandy had never mentioned Afghanistan in the House of Commons until last week.
He now admits he got it wrong... it's actually a lot worse than that.
@MattChorley
https://twitter.com/TimesRadio/status/1430473447210115076?s=20
I’m sure PB can empathise.
I prefer not to even think about Afghanistan if I can help it, since it's a complete bloody mess. Raab, and to a lesser extent Nandy, have far less excuse and can be given short shrift if they puff up their efforts regarding it. His taking his eye off the ball is more critical, but if she has not actually been bringing it up she can be criticised as well if giving the impression she had.0 -
Leicestershire includes Leicester! It seems to have been a mega hotspot since this whole thing kicked off for some reason.Foxy said:
Not really. Harborough and some of the other ares have often been below the national average. It is the City and immediate suburbs that have been higher.Anabobazina said:
Leicestershire seems to have been a mega covidian hotspot since this saga began. It’s absolutely bizarre.Foxy said:
This is the story:rottenborough said:Paging @Foxy
"A-level result parties fuel 'astonishing' Covid surge in historic market town in Leicester, health chiefs warn"
Mail
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9925601/amp/Student-level-result-parties-blamed-astonishing-Covid-boom-Leicestershire-district.html?__twitter_impression=true
Though Market Harborough isn't particularly bad, except in this age group. Leicester itself is 25th now in the country overall.
I am down on the IoW for the week though.0 -
Hysteria rules. OK?0
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He is asking for $150k from each of 17 CO-respondents. It’s all about the moneyIshmaelZ said:0 -
Everyone has had experience of tesco or similar order not completely fulfilled or an item replaced by something similar if you agree to that .isam said:
I can’t help it if the only empty shelves I’ve seen in Upminster/Hornchurch are sparkling water in Waitrose. Maybe we’ve just been luckypigeon said:
In fairness, empty shelves can only be reported from personal experience (as distinct from rumours circulating in newspapers) if there are empty shelves for one to experience in the first place.StuartDickson said:
PB Herd = see no empty shelves, hear no empty shelves, say no empty shelves, ra ra ra, god save Mrs Sachsen Coborg und Gotha.Scott_xP said:
The lads will be along shortly to explain why you're wrong.GIN1138 said:I had my first "supply chain" issue today when I couldn't buy Bisto gravy granules at the CO!
You must have imagined it...
So far I've encountered a minor poultry shortage, and my favourite brand of cereal snack bar-type things for work is apparently out of stock until an estimated delivery date of September 1st. Slightly irritating, but it's not exactly a return to the dark days of the March 2020 panic buying phenomenon.
Maybe the Stones song of the today is ‘You can’t Always Get What You Want’!
We have had problems with orange flavoured hot cross buns from waitrose... but will survive it.
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I doubt the ambient temperature of the clay is 19-25. Sorry. Do you have any evidence that this is the case?DougSeal said:Fascinating London Underground fact. When it first opened people went down into the Tube to cool off. The temperature of the surrounding clay was only about 14C but 150 years of heat absorption has risen that to 19c-25C and as a result it’s a sweltering nightmare.
I somewhat doubt the 14 too. Seems far too hot.0 -
Never trust the FT on anything to do with HS2. They’ve been the most vicious rampers of the false £106 billion figure and are now parroting the equally wrong £40 billion figure.Scott_xP said:UK government set to radically scale back HS2 eastern route https://on.ft.com/3ko424y
This is largely because they hate money being spent on anything other than their client groups.
They also again repeat the tired old canard that more money is needed on ‘local lines,’ not understanding that until HS2 is actually built there is no connecting capacity for local lines to be improved with.
Cannock is a classic example. £90 million was spent upgrading our railway to 75mph and electrifying it, so we could have through services to London (in the face of heavy opposition from lunatics like Fabricant and Williamson who ran a misinformation and smear campaign that even Joe Rukin would blush at). But unfortunately due to heavy congestion on the WCML the London service proved totally unworkable. So despite the fact that it was pretty popular - the times I took it it was always full - it’s had to be abandoned.
Similarly there is no hope of a new trans-Pennine route without HS2, as there will be nowhere for the trains to go without new tracks and stations, or reopening the Ivanhoe line from Leicester to Derby.
Unfortunately Hs2’s many critics choose to ignore this, usually for their own entirely selfish reasons.
So if their lies and hysteria prevail we will continue to have a rail network that is basically a lash up.3 -
I’d want 400 from here TBH. Don’t fancy batting fourth at Headingley. Praying that Hameed makes a ton - that would be just fantastic.londonpubman said:
Long way to go in this game. We need to press home the advantage get 300+. If we do that then we win the game. Very good for us today wasn't expecting that 👍Anabobazina said:Probably been already said but England were fantastic at Headingley today. I have no idea what got into India - Jimmy was the only bowler who was really swinging the ball. Long way to go in this series yet.
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His Dad was a mate of the photographer.kle4 said:0 -
The 3.5 Trillion reconciliation bill is all the buckets.Stuartinromford said:
It is a bit off, if parties are beginning to go for leaders because they will win elections, rather than because they have much to say about their plans. (If BoJo were to GoGo mid term, his successor would be the third PM in a row chosen by MPs not the general public.)IanB2 said:
He was elected because he had no fatal negatives, not because he had any striking positives.Philip_Thompson said:Biden is an awful President who should never have won a primary let alone an election.
Still infinitely better than Trump. But the Democrats need to think hard on the primaries for 2024 or the GOP really will have an easy ride then (so long as they don't choose Trump again).
Given that it wasn’t a total walkover, that was probably the right choice.
Like the Tories who put a clown in Downing Street solely to beat Corbyn and see Brexit done, there’s a price for having such narrow horizons.
But, let's be optimistic. Suppose Biden's plan is to do the things that need doing but can't do because they're thinking about reelection. Or their Veep is. What else should be in the bucket list?
If passed it will secure Bidens place in the history books.0 -
Asking for a sum that most of them can probably afford, calculating that they might choose to pay to get rid of him (rather than risk racking up a larger amount in legal expenses.) Kerching! $2.5m. It might work...Charles said:
He is asking for $150k from each of 17 CO-respondents. It’s all about the moneyIshmaelZ said:0 -
http://www.operationsengineer.org.uk/article-images/23757/cooling.pdfOmnium said:
I doubt the ambient temperature of the clay is 19-25. Sorry. Do you have any evidence that this is the case?DougSeal said:Fascinating London Underground fact. When it first opened people went down into the Tube to cool off. The temperature of the surrounding clay was only about 14C but 150 years of heat absorption has risen that to 19c-25C and as a result it’s a sweltering nightmare.
I somewhat doubt the 14 too. Seems far too hot.
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When even the cheerleaders are having a wee think to themselves.
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I missed the day's cricket but reading up on it I'm not sure which I'm more chuffed with, India being bowled out for 78 is incredible, or simply having an opening partnership that can reach a ton.Anabobazina said:Probably been already said but England were fantastic at Headingley today. I have no idea what got into India - Jimmy was the only bowler who was really swinging the ball. Long way to go in this series yet.
England being 42-0 would be good for our openers normally lately, now we're effectively opening on that plus an innings tomorrow. Incredible.6 -
Why did “cheerleaders” and “wee” make me think of @TSETheuniondivvie said:When even the cheerleaders are having a wee think to themselves.
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From a wikipedia page on 'London Underground cooling' (god bless theinternet) that claim links to a 2007 document on rail engineering, although at a quick glance I couldn't see that specific claim.Omnium said:
I doubt the ambient temperature of the clay is 19-25. Sorry. Do you have any evidence that this is the case?DougSeal said:Fascinating London Underground fact. When it first opened people went down into the Tube to cool off. The temperature of the surrounding clay was only about 14C but 150 years of heat absorption has risen that to 19c-25C and as a result it’s a sweltering nightmare.
I somewhat doubt the 14 too. Seems far too hot.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_Underground_cooling
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*People who didn't go out and do anything before the pandemic but still think everyone else should be locked down too to protect them anywaypigeon said:
*Extreme introvertsDougSeal said:
Who the hell hopes for a lockdown?darkage said:
It seems to me like a very mixed picture. I noticed today that mask wearing in the supermarket was on the increase, but on the train it seems to be on the decrease. My theory is that people take their masks with them and basically make judgements on whether or not to wear a mask based on what other people are doing. That, if I am honest, is what I do.DougSeal said:
My observation on this topic - District Line (spacious walk through carriages, lots of space) mask wearing 80%+. Central Line (ancient crowded trains, standing room only) 50% masks tops. Dropping in both cases though.DecrepiterJohnL said:
Yesterday I took the two lines into town just after rush hour and home again at the tail end, with most seats taken but only one or two standing for the most part, I'd say the vast majority were wearing masks, and mostly but not always covering mouth and nose.TOPPING said:Mask wearing on the tube is dropping I would say.
One woman on the train seemed to have a mild panic attack seeing the lack of mask wearing. A guy I know who is a singer in a punk band continues to go to gigs wearing a mask, the only person in the room doing so, he says he is hoping for a new lockdown but is still playing a gig next week with his band. This just seems like evidence of a kind of a mass psychotic episode.
*Sociopaths
*Members of ISAGE
*Amazon executives0 -
Ok, but this isn't about the temperature of the clay.DougSeal said:
http://www.operationsengineer.org.uk/article-images/23757/cooling.pdfOmnium said:
I doubt the ambient temperature of the clay is 19-25. Sorry. Do you have any evidence that this is the case?DougSeal said:Fascinating London Underground fact. When it first opened people went down into the Tube to cool off. The temperature of the surrounding clay was only about 14C but 150 years of heat absorption has risen that to 19c-25C and as a result it’s a sweltering nightmare.
I somewhat doubt the 14 too. Seems far too hot.
Someone will no doubt know but my guess would be that the surroundings of the tunnels are 5c or so.0 -
"Scottish Seafood Association chief Jimmy Buchan backed Brexit but now he thinks it’s an opportunity missed:Theuniondivvie said:When even the cheerleaders are having a wee think to themselves.
https://twitter.com/c4ciaran/status/1430578846894592016?s=21
‘Obviously the landscape has changed. To me Brexit possibly did not deliver all that we wished for.’"
"‘They need to allow us to take workers in without all the ridiculous red tape.’
-Scot Burgess, Whitelink Seafoods."
In other words - they want carte blanche to import even cheaper furriners.
What do they have between their ears? Crab gills?0 -
“The nub of the problem is that the biggest heat sink is failing as the temperature behind the walls rises way back into the clay. It’s now sitting at between 5C and 11C above the natural ambient of 14C.”Omnium said:
Ok, but this isn't about the temperature of the clay.DougSeal said:
http://www.operationsengineer.org.uk/article-images/23757/cooling.pdfOmnium said:
I doubt the ambient temperature of the clay is 19-25. Sorry. Do you have any evidence that this is the case?DougSeal said:Fascinating London Underground fact. When it first opened people went down into the Tube to cool off. The temperature of the surrounding clay was only about 14C but 150 years of heat absorption has risen that to 19c-25C and as a result it’s a sweltering nightmare.
I somewhat doubt the 14 too. Seems far too hot.
Someone will no doubt know but my guess would be that the surroundings of the tunnels are 5c or so.1 -
People who had boring jobs and enjoy being paid to watch Netflixpigeon said:
*Extreme introvertsDougSeal said:
Who the hell hopes for a lockdown?darkage said:
It seems to me like a very mixed picture. I noticed today that mask wearing in the supermarket was on the increase, but on the train it seems to be on the decrease. My theory is that people take their masks with them and basically make judgements on whether or not to wear a mask based on what other people are doing. That, if I am honest, is what I do.DougSeal said:
My observation on this topic - District Line (spacious walk through carriages, lots of space) mask wearing 80%+. Central Line (ancient crowded trains, standing room only) 50% masks tops. Dropping in both cases though.DecrepiterJohnL said:
Yesterday I took the two lines into town just after rush hour and home again at the tail end, with most seats taken but only one or two standing for the most part, I'd say the vast majority were wearing masks, and mostly but not always covering mouth and nose.TOPPING said:Mask wearing on the tube is dropping I would say.
One woman on the train seemed to have a mild panic attack seeing the lack of mask wearing. A guy I know who is a singer in a punk band continues to go to gigs wearing a mask, the only person in the room doing so, he says he is hoping for a new lockdown but is still playing a gig next week with his band. This just seems like evidence of a kind of a mass psychotic episode.
*Sociopaths
*Members of ISAGE
*Amazon executives
People who hate commuting
Doom merchants
Antivaxxers0 -
AndTheuniondivvie said:When even the cheerleaders are having a wee think to themselves.
https://twitter.com/c4ciaran/status/1430578846894592016?s=21
"Scot Burgess is the factory manager at Whitelink, a major Scottish seafood producer.
Single biggest challenge? ‘Labour shortage.’
Single biggest reason? ‘Brexit’."
What would he know?0 -
Thanks. The perennial first thought when it copped - I should have had more on!ping said:
Big chance he got subbed on the hour though, so it wasn’t a maximoso bet0 -
Lost the battle; winning the war.IshmaelZ said:
There's a lot of strategy in test cricket which you just don't understand, Sunil. England have fallen straight into India's trap.Sunil_Prasannan said:
By coincidence, England India were all out for 78 today.Andy_JS said:The problem isn't being 78 per se. There are lots of people that age who are still as sharp as ever.
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I agree.londonpubman said:
Best to cancel HS2 altogether what a waste of money.Scott_xP said:UK government set to radically scale back HS2 eastern route https://on.ft.com/3ko424y
However I can understand people wanting to get out of London in a hurry.0 -
"This just seems like evidence of a kind of a mass psychotic episode."solarflare said:
*People who didn't go out and do anything before the pandemic but still think everyone else should be locked down too to protect them anywaypigeon said:
*Extreme introvertsDougSeal said:
Who the hell hopes for a lockdown?darkage said:
It seems to me like a very mixed picture. I noticed today that mask wearing in the supermarket was on the increase, but on the train it seems to be on the decrease. My theory is that people take their masks with them and basically make judgements on whether or not to wear a mask based on what other people are doing. That, if I am honest, is what I do.DougSeal said:
My observation on this topic - District Line (spacious walk through carriages, lots of space) mask wearing 80%+. Central Line (ancient crowded trains, standing room only) 50% masks tops. Dropping in both cases though.DecrepiterJohnL said:
Yesterday I took the two lines into town just after rush hour and home again at the tail end, with most seats taken but only one or two standing for the most part, I'd say the vast majority were wearing masks, and mostly but not always covering mouth and nose.TOPPING said:Mask wearing on the tube is dropping I would say.
One woman on the train seemed to have a mild panic attack seeing the lack of mask wearing. A guy I know who is a singer in a punk band continues to go to gigs wearing a mask, the only person in the room doing so, he says he is hoping for a new lockdown but is still playing a gig next week with his band. This just seems like evidence of a kind of a mass psychotic episode.
*Sociopaths
*Members of ISAGE
*Amazon executives
I know what you mean, but I don't think it is accurate. Some people are scared. Still. Very scared. And who can blame them after 18 months of media and government screaming 'crisis' and 'death' all the time? So, they may not be able to balance the actual level of risk now with their fears but I don't think that is psychotic.
If we are going down the road of mental health labels, then maybe OCD seems a better match?0 -
Well indeed, if you listened to Remainers then we're supposed to be having mass unemployment right now thanks to Brexit.Carnyx said:
AndTheuniondivvie said:When even the cheerleaders are having a wee think to themselves.
https://twitter.com/c4ciaran/status/1430578846894592016?s=21
"Scot Burgess is the factory manager at Whitelink, a major Scottish seafood producer.
Single biggest challenge? ‘Labour shortage.’
Single biggest reason? ‘Brexit’."
What would he know?0 -
Well, in that case going on the underground (unless in one of the air con trains, and it must be dumping its heat into the tunnels and platforms anyway) is even more of The Pubic louse inside a sumo wrestler's mawashi Experience than ever before.DougSeal said:
“The nub of the problem is that the biggest heat sink is failing as the temperature behind the walls rises way back into the clay. It’s now sitting at between 5C and 11C above the natural ambient of 14C.”Omnium said:
Ok, but this isn't about the temperature of the clay.DougSeal said:
http://www.operationsengineer.org.uk/article-images/23757/cooling.pdfOmnium said:
I doubt the ambient temperature of the clay is 19-25. Sorry. Do you have any evidence that this is the case?DougSeal said:Fascinating London Underground fact. When it first opened people went down into the Tube to cool off. The temperature of the surrounding clay was only about 14C but 150 years of heat absorption has risen that to 19c-25C and as a result it’s a sweltering nightmare.
I somewhat doubt the 14 too. Seems far too hot.
Someone will no doubt know but my guess would be that the surroundings of the tunnels are 5c or so.0 -
That comment of yours butters no parsnips - and certainly batters no haddock.Philip_Thompson said:
Well indeed, if you listened to Remainers then we're supposed to be having mass unemployment right now thanks to Brexit.Carnyx said:
AndTheuniondivvie said:When even the cheerleaders are having a wee think to themselves.
https://twitter.com/c4ciaran/status/1430578846894592016?s=21
"Scot Burgess is the factory manager at Whitelink, a major Scottish seafood producer.
Single biggest challenge? ‘Labour shortage.’
Single biggest reason? ‘Brexit’."
What would he know?0 -
It's just not the case that 5m (say) below the ground the ambient temperature is 14c. (At least I think it isn't - Am looking online to find some evidence).DougSeal said:
“The nub of the problem is that the biggest heat sink is failing as the temperature behind the walls rises way back into the clay. It’s now sitting at between 5C and 11C above the natural ambient of 14C.”Omnium said:
Ok, but this isn't about the temperature of the clay.DougSeal said:
http://www.operationsengineer.org.uk/article-images/23757/cooling.pdfOmnium said:
I doubt the ambient temperature of the clay is 19-25. Sorry. Do you have any evidence that this is the case?DougSeal said:Fascinating London Underground fact. When it first opened people went down into the Tube to cool off. The temperature of the surrounding clay was only about 14C but 150 years of heat absorption has risen that to 19c-25C and as a result it’s a sweltering nightmare.
I somewhat doubt the 14 too. Seems far too hot.
Someone will no doubt know but my guess would be that the surroundings of the tunnels are 5c or so.0 -
Such vivid imagery. I'll never look at it the same way again. Unfortunately.Carnyx said:
Well, in that case going on the underground (unless in one of the air con trains, and it must be dumping its heat into the tunnels and platforms anyway) is even more of The Pubic louse inside a sumo wrestler's mawashi Experience than ever before.DougSeal said:
“The nub of the problem is that the biggest heat sink is failing as the temperature behind the walls rises way back into the clay. It’s now sitting at between 5C and 11C above the natural ambient of 14C.”Omnium said:
Ok, but this isn't about the temperature of the clay.DougSeal said:
http://www.operationsengineer.org.uk/article-images/23757/cooling.pdfOmnium said:
I doubt the ambient temperature of the clay is 19-25. Sorry. Do you have any evidence that this is the case?DougSeal said:Fascinating London Underground fact. When it first opened people went down into the Tube to cool off. The temperature of the surrounding clay was only about 14C but 150 years of heat absorption has risen that to 19c-25C and as a result it’s a sweltering nightmare.
I somewhat doubt the 14 too. Seems far too hot.
Someone will no doubt know but my guess would be that the surroundings of the tunnels are 5c or so.0 -
If anyone's suffering a labour shortage they can always try paying better wages to attract staff.Carnyx said:
That comment of yours butters no parsnips - and certainly batters no haddock.Philip_Thompson said:
Well indeed, if you listened to Remainers then we're supposed to be having mass unemployment right now thanks to Brexit.Carnyx said:
AndTheuniondivvie said:When even the cheerleaders are having a wee think to themselves.
https://twitter.com/c4ciaran/status/1430578846894592016?s=21
"Scot Burgess is the factory manager at Whitelink, a major Scottish seafood producer.
Single biggest challenge? ‘Labour shortage.’
Single biggest reason? ‘Brexit’."
What would he know?
The minimum wage is supposed to be an absolute minimum not a maximum.1 -
Quite. And yet they have to supply the supermarkets. Who are about as moveable as that container ship in the Suez Canal.Philip_Thompson said:
If anyone's suffering a labour shortage they can always try paying better wages to attract staff.Carnyx said:
That comment of yours butters no parsnips - and certainly batters no haddock.Philip_Thompson said:
Well indeed, if you listened to Remainers then we're supposed to be having mass unemployment right now thanks to Brexit.Carnyx said:
AndTheuniondivvie said:When even the cheerleaders are having a wee think to themselves.
https://twitter.com/c4ciaran/status/1430578846894592016?s=21
"Scot Burgess is the factory manager at Whitelink, a major Scottish seafood producer.
Single biggest challenge? ‘Labour shortage.’
Single biggest reason? ‘Brexit’."
What would he know?
The minimum wage is supposed to be an absolute minimum not a maximum.0 -
The market is pretty efficient.Carnyx said:
Quite. And yet they have to supply the supermarkets. Who are about as moveable as that container ship in the Suez Canal.Philip_Thompson said:
If anyone's suffering a labour shortage they can always try paying better wages to attract staff.Carnyx said:
That comment of yours butters no parsnips - and certainly batters no haddock.Philip_Thompson said:
Well indeed, if you listened to Remainers then we're supposed to be having mass unemployment right now thanks to Brexit.Carnyx said:
AndTheuniondivvie said:When even the cheerleaders are having a wee think to themselves.
https://twitter.com/c4ciaran/status/1430578846894592016?s=21
"Scot Burgess is the factory manager at Whitelink, a major Scottish seafood producer.
Single biggest challenge? ‘Labour shortage.’
Single biggest reason? ‘Brexit’."
What would he know?
The minimum wage is supposed to be an absolute minimum not a maximum.
If the supermarkets require stock they will pay what they need to do so, so the price will go up.
Or if they're outcompeted by other nations and importing it is cheaper then that's what we should do.
Either way, let the free market sort it out.
If supermarkets are inefficient then that's their problem they need to sort out, we don't need to change our laws to handle companies inefficiencies.0 -
I’ve been loving going back into town since I came back from holidays in the wilds. No need to scrabble about or drive for a good place to eat down here. Had more good meals in the few days since I have been back than in weeks in the wilds.SandyRentool said:
I agree.londonpubman said:
Best to cancel HS2 altogether what a waste of money.Scott_xP said:UK government set to radically scale back HS2 eastern route https://on.ft.com/3ko424y
However I can understand people wanting to get out of London in a hurry.0 -
Why shouldn't it be? It's been London for rather a long time - lots of tarmac, lots of insolation, lots of sweaty yuppies, etc. And see this.Omnium said:
It's just not the case that 5m (say) below the ground the ambient temperature is 14c. (At least I think it isn't - Am looking online to find some evidence).DougSeal said:
“The nub of the problem is that the biggest heat sink is failing as the temperature behind the walls rises way back into the clay. It’s now sitting at between 5C and 11C above the natural ambient of 14C.”Omnium said:
Ok, but this isn't about the temperature of the clay.DougSeal said:
http://www.operationsengineer.org.uk/article-images/23757/cooling.pdfOmnium said:
I doubt the ambient temperature of the clay is 19-25. Sorry. Do you have any evidence that this is the case?DougSeal said:Fascinating London Underground fact. When it first opened people went down into the Tube to cool off. The temperature of the surrounding clay was only about 14C but 150 years of heat absorption has risen that to 19c-25C and as a result it’s a sweltering nightmare.
I somewhat doubt the 14 too. Seems far too hot.
Someone will no doubt know but my guess would be that the surroundings of the tunnels are 5c or so.
http://nora.nerc.ac.uk/id/eprint/512282/1/Submitted (again) to QJEGH endSept 2015.pdf0 -
Really?DougSeal said:Fascinating London Underground fact. When it first opened people went down into the Tube to cool off. The temperature of the surrounding clay was only about 14C but 150 years of heat absorption has risen that to 19c-25C and as a result it’s a sweltering nightmare.
I ask because if you go down a coal mine, it gets warmer the deeper you go.
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Yet another one with a poor understanding of the consequences of voting for the face eating leopards party.Theuniondivvie said:When even the cheerleaders are having a wee think to themselves.
https://twitter.com/c4ciaran/status/1430578846894592016?s=21
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The most questions from Labour on Afghanistan?isam said:
Listen to the Times Radio clip - she pretended on QT the government were dodging scrutiny in on Afghanistan, yet Labour never pressed them on it, never ranked any urgent questions, Sir Keir never mentioned it at PMQs, zilcho, nada… she was lyingkle4 said:
There is no problem holding politicians to a higher level of expectation than we hold ourselves to, especially when they either hold power over us, want to hold power over us, or are making specific claims about their personal political effectiveness or exercise of power/scrutiny of power.Theuniondivvie said:
‘Lisa Nandy had never mentioned Afghanistan in the House of Commons until last week.’CarlottaVance said:Demolition job on Labour "holding the government to account" on Afghanistan:
Yesterday, Matt Chorley said shadow foreign secretary Lisa Nandy had never mentioned Afghanistan in the House of Commons until last week.
He now admits he got it wrong... it's actually a lot worse than that.
@MattChorley
https://twitter.com/TimesRadio/status/1430473447210115076?s=20
I’m sure PB can empathise.
I prefer not to even think about Afghanistan if I can help it, since it's a complete bloody mess. Raab, and to a lesser extent Nandy, have far less excuse and can be given short shrift if they puff up their efforts regarding it. His taking his eye off the ball is more critical, but if she has not actually been bringing it up she can be criticised as well if giving the impression she had.
The Shadow Railways Minister0 -
Levelling up by making HS2 pointless, yes the same old Tories!0
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Very problematic for Boris. Surely even he won't be stupid enough to implement the panic measure recommended by the PB Brexit Tories of artificial wage hikes. But if he loosens immigration controls that will kill the raison d'être for Brexit stone dead and Farage will be polling at 50%. Tricky.Theuniondivvie said:When even the cheerleaders are having a wee think to themselves.
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Okay, you want to lose entire industries and our entire stretegic food security on the altar on the god Brexit?Philip_Thompson said:
The market is pretty efficient.Carnyx said:
Quite. And yet they have to supply the supermarkets. Who are about as moveable as that container ship in the Suez Canal.Philip_Thompson said:
If anyone's suffering a labour shortage they can always try paying better wages to attract staff.Carnyx said:
That comment of yours butters no parsnips - and certainly batters no haddock.Philip_Thompson said:
Well indeed, if you listened to Remainers then we're supposed to be having mass unemployment right now thanks to Brexit.Carnyx said:
AndTheuniondivvie said:When even the cheerleaders are having a wee think to themselves.
https://twitter.com/c4ciaran/status/1430578846894592016?s=21
"Scot Burgess is the factory manager at Whitelink, a major Scottish seafood producer.
Single biggest challenge? ‘Labour shortage.’
Single biggest reason? ‘Brexit’."
What would he know?
The minimum wage is supposed to be an absolute minimum not a maximum.
If the supermarkets require stock they will pay what they need to do so, so the price will go up.
Or if they're outcompeted by other nations and importing it is cheaper then that's what we should do.
Either way, let the free market sort it out.
If supermarkets are inefficient then that's their problem they need to sort out, we don't need to change our laws to handle companies inefficiencies.0 -
US claims like this are a game of poker, as we know.kle4 said:
Shades of Virginia Giuffre.1 -
In part because it's freezing cold in the winter on the first, or near to first, tube.Carnyx said:
Why shouldn't it be? It's been London for rather a long time - lots of tarmac, lots of insolation, lots of sweaty yuppies, etc. And see this.Omnium said:
It's just not the case that 5m (say) below the ground the ambient temperature is 14c. (At least I think it isn't - Am looking online to find some evidence).DougSeal said:
“The nub of the problem is that the biggest heat sink is failing as the temperature behind the walls rises way back into the clay. It’s now sitting at between 5C and 11C above the natural ambient of 14C.”Omnium said:
Ok, but this isn't about the temperature of the clay.DougSeal said:
http://www.operationsengineer.org.uk/article-images/23757/cooling.pdfOmnium said:
I doubt the ambient temperature of the clay is 19-25. Sorry. Do you have any evidence that this is the case?DougSeal said:Fascinating London Underground fact. When it first opened people went down into the Tube to cool off. The temperature of the surrounding clay was only about 14C but 150 years of heat absorption has risen that to 19c-25C and as a result it’s a sweltering nightmare.
I somewhat doubt the 14 too. Seems far too hot.
Someone will no doubt know but my guess would be that the surroundings of the tunnels are 5c or so.
http://nora.nerc.ac.uk/id/eprint/512282/1/Submitted (again) to QJEGH endSept 2015.pdf
Mainly though I just think that it isn't, and evidence one way or another seems to be tricky to find.0 -
No, on the altar of a free market.Carnyx said:
Okay, you want to lose entire industries and our entire stretegic food security on the altar on the god Brexit?Philip_Thompson said:
The market is pretty efficient.Carnyx said:
Quite. And yet they have to supply the supermarkets. Who are about as moveable as that container ship in the Suez Canal.Philip_Thompson said:
If anyone's suffering a labour shortage they can always try paying better wages to attract staff.Carnyx said:
That comment of yours butters no parsnips - and certainly batters no haddock.Philip_Thompson said:
Well indeed, if you listened to Remainers then we're supposed to be having mass unemployment right now thanks to Brexit.Carnyx said:
AndTheuniondivvie said:When even the cheerleaders are having a wee think to themselves.
https://twitter.com/c4ciaran/status/1430578846894592016?s=21
"Scot Burgess is the factory manager at Whitelink, a major Scottish seafood producer.
Single biggest challenge? ‘Labour shortage.’
Single biggest reason? ‘Brexit’."
What would he know?
The minimum wage is supposed to be an absolute minimum not a maximum.
If the supermarkets require stock they will pay what they need to do so, so the price will go up.
Or if they're outcompeted by other nations and importing it is cheaper then that's what we should do.
Either way, let the free market sort it out.
If supermarkets are inefficient then that's their problem they need to sort out, we don't need to change our laws to handle companies inefficiencies.
The fish will still be in the water, the land will still be available. If companies are completely inefficient and go out of business because they can't operate competitively then let them fail and if anyone else can do so let them do it instead.
I've always advocated a free market in food and an abolition of subsidies and tariffs.0 -
I read an article recently that said that the average Australian now overestimates their risk of death from covid by 16x. I hope that’s not true, but given my experience here I’m not entirely confident it’s false.rottenborough said:
"This just seems like evidence of a kind of a mass psychotic episode."solarflare said:
*People who didn't go out and do anything before the pandemic but still think everyone else should be locked down too to protect them anywaypigeon said:
*Extreme introvertsDougSeal said:
Who the hell hopes for a lockdown?darkage said:
It seems to me like a very mixed picture. I noticed today that mask wearing in the supermarket was on the increase, but on the train it seems to be on the decrease. My theory is that people take their masks with them and basically make judgements on whether or not to wear a mask based on what other people are doing. That, if I am honest, is what I do.DougSeal said:
My observation on this topic - District Line (spacious walk through carriages, lots of space) mask wearing 80%+. Central Line (ancient crowded trains, standing room only) 50% masks tops. Dropping in both cases though.DecrepiterJohnL said:
Yesterday I took the two lines into town just after rush hour and home again at the tail end, with most seats taken but only one or two standing for the most part, I'd say the vast majority were wearing masks, and mostly but not always covering mouth and nose.TOPPING said:Mask wearing on the tube is dropping I would say.
One woman on the train seemed to have a mild panic attack seeing the lack of mask wearing. A guy I know who is a singer in a punk band continues to go to gigs wearing a mask, the only person in the room doing so, he says he is hoping for a new lockdown but is still playing a gig next week with his band. This just seems like evidence of a kind of a mass psychotic episode.
*Sociopaths
*Members of ISAGE
*Amazon executives
I know what you mean, but I don't think it is accurate. Some people are scared. Still. Very scared. And who can blame them after 18 months of media and government screaming 'crisis' and 'death' all the time? So, they may not be able to balance the actual level of risk now with their fears but I don't think that is psychotic.
If we are going down the road of mental health labels, then maybe OCD seems a better match?0 -
deletedGIN1138 said:
Thankfully there's always an alternative. As I couldn't get Bisto Gravy Granules I brought Maxwell Bleedin' House instead...pigeon said:
Shortage of diced chicken in convenient-sized packets in Tesco.GIN1138 said:
I had my first "supply chain" issue today when I couldn't buy Bisto gravy granules at the CO!Scott_xP said:Business leaders call for relaxation of post-Brexit visa rules as predictions over exodus of EU workers in low paid jobs realised. Worst supply chain crisis since 70s say industry chiefs https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/aug/25/business-leaders-call-for-relaxation-of-post-brexit-visa-rules?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
It's devastating, but somehow I shall survive.0 -
The entire political class - with the notable and honourable exception of the HoL foreign affairs select committee - completely forgot about Afghanistan over the last year.isam said:
Haha brilliant!CarlottaVance said:Demolition job on Labour "holding the government to account" on Afghanistan:
Yesterday, Matt Chorley said shadow foreign secretary Lisa Nandy had never mentioned Afghanistan in the House of Commons until last week.
He now admits he got it wrong... it's actually a lot worse than that.
@MattChorley
https://twitter.com/TimesRadio/status/1430473447210115076?s=20
They’ve hardly ever mentioned it!
Nandy not at all, Healey twice, in passing, Sir Keir not one question at PMQs… and now, after the event, it’s all full on faux outrageux about the lack of planning!!!
Great stuff
The government have rather less excuse than Labour, though, since pertinent questions were asked of ministers, and ignored.1 -
I think that is because they park the trains in the open overnight. Also (depending on where you are) many underground trains run in the open air at the further out legs - eg Northern Line through Cricklewood (I do know that from visiting the RAF Museum).Omnium said:
In part because it's freezing cold in the winter on the first, or near to first, tube.Carnyx said:
Why shouldn't it be? It's been London for rather a long time - lots of tarmac, lots of insolation, lots of sweaty yuppies, etc. And see this.Omnium said:
It's just not the case that 5m (say) below the ground the ambient temperature is 14c. (At least I think it isn't - Am looking online to find some evidence).DougSeal said:
“The nub of the problem is that the biggest heat sink is failing as the temperature behind the walls rises way back into the clay. It’s now sitting at between 5C and 11C above the natural ambient of 14C.”Omnium said:
Ok, but this isn't about the temperature of the clay.DougSeal said:
http://www.operationsengineer.org.uk/article-images/23757/cooling.pdfOmnium said:
I doubt the ambient temperature of the clay is 19-25. Sorry. Do you have any evidence that this is the case?DougSeal said:Fascinating London Underground fact. When it first opened people went down into the Tube to cool off. The temperature of the surrounding clay was only about 14C but 150 years of heat absorption has risen that to 19c-25C and as a result it’s a sweltering nightmare.
I somewhat doubt the 14 too. Seems far too hot.
Someone will no doubt know but my guess would be that the surroundings of the tunnels are 5c or so.
http://nora.nerc.ac.uk/id/eprint/512282/1/Submitted (again) to QJEGH endSept 2015.pdf
Mainly though I just think that it isn't, and evidence one way or another seems to be tricky to find.1 -
Entirely off the top of my head after a glass or two of wine but I suspect that those who most rage against spending money investing in something like this actually had absolutely no qualms investing money in their new and rather large house extension or conservatory or home office which they will take twenty years to pay back.ydoethur said:
Never trust the FT on anything to do with HS2. They’ve been the most vicious rampers of the false £106 billion figure and are now parroting the equally wrong £40 billion figure.Scott_xP said:UK government set to radically scale back HS2 eastern route https://on.ft.com/3ko424y
This is largely because they hate money being spent on anything other than their client groups.
They also again repeat the tired old canard that more money is needed on ‘local lines,’ not understanding that until HS2 is actually built there is no connecting capacity for local lines to be improved with.
Cannock is a classic example. £90 million was spent upgrading our railway to 75mph and electrifying it, so we could have through services to London (in the face of heavy opposition from lunatics like Fabricant and Williamson who ran a misinformation and smear campaign that even Joe Rukin would blush at). But unfortunately due to heavy congestion on the WCML the London service proved totally unworkable. So despite the fact that it was pretty popular - the times I took it it was always full - it’s had to be abandoned.
Similarly there is no hope of a new trans-Pennine route without HS2, as there will be nowhere for the trains to go without new tracks and stations, or reopening the Ivanhoe line from Leicester to Derby.
Unfortunately Hs2’s many critics choose to ignore this, usually for their own entirely selfish reasons.
So if their lies and hysteria prevail we will continue to have a rail network that is basically a lash up.
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Exclusive: Defence Secretary Ben Wallace says British evacuation efforts in Kabul have been 'diverted' by bid to rescue animals cared for by ex-Royal Marine Pen Farthing https://news.sky.com/story/exclusive-defence-secretary-ben-wallace-says-british-evacuation-efforts-in-kabul-have-been-diverted-by-bid-to-rescue-animals-cared-for-by-ex-royal-marine-pen-farthing-123906790
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Exclusive: Defence Secretary Ben Wallace says British evacuation efforts in Kabul have been 'diverted' by bid to rescue animals cared for by ex-Royal Marine Pen Farthing
https://news.sky.com/story/exclusive-defence-secretary-ben-wallace-says-british-evacuation-efforts-in-kabul-have-been-diverted-by-bid-to-rescue-animals-cared-for-by-ex-royal-marine-pen-farthing-123906790 -
These "wilds". Zone 4?Anabobazina said:
I’ve been loving going back into town since I came back from holidays in the wilds. No need to scrabble about or drive for a good place to eat down here. Had more good meals in the few days since I have been back than in weeks in the wilds.SandyRentool said:
I agree.londonpubman said:
Best to cancel HS2 altogether what a waste of money.Scott_xP said:UK government set to radically scale back HS2 eastern route https://on.ft.com/3ko424y
However I can understand people wanting to get out of London in a hurry.0 -
The genius of Brexit is that it's rigged the market to the UK's disadvantage.Philip_Thompson said:
No, on the altar of a free market.Carnyx said:
Okay, you want to lose entire industries and our entire stretegic food security on the altar on the god Brexit?Philip_Thompson said:
The market is pretty efficient.Carnyx said:
Quite. And yet they have to supply the supermarkets. Who are about as moveable as that container ship in the Suez Canal.Philip_Thompson said:
If anyone's suffering a labour shortage they can always try paying better wages to attract staff.Carnyx said:
That comment of yours butters no parsnips - and certainly batters no haddock.Philip_Thompson said:
Well indeed, if you listened to Remainers then we're supposed to be having mass unemployment right now thanks to Brexit.Carnyx said:
AndTheuniondivvie said:When even the cheerleaders are having a wee think to themselves.
https://twitter.com/c4ciaran/status/1430578846894592016?s=21
"Scot Burgess is the factory manager at Whitelink, a major Scottish seafood producer.
Single biggest challenge? ‘Labour shortage.’
Single biggest reason? ‘Brexit’."
What would he know?
The minimum wage is supposed to be an absolute minimum not a maximum.
If the supermarkets require stock they will pay what they need to do so, so the price will go up.
Or if they're outcompeted by other nations and importing it is cheaper then that's what we should do.
Either way, let the free market sort it out.
If supermarkets are inefficient then that's their problem they need to sort out, we don't need to change our laws to handle companies inefficiencies.
The fish will still be in the water, the land will still be available. If companies are completely inefficient and go out of business because they can't operate competitively then let them fail and if anyone else can do so let them do it instead.
I've always advocated a free market in food and an abolition of subsidies and tariffs.2 -
Zone 4 is OKSandyRentool said:
These "wilds". Zone 4?Anabobazina said:
I’ve been loving going back into town since I came back from holidays in the wilds. No need to scrabble about or drive for a good place to eat down here. Had more good meals in the few days since I have been back than in weeks in the wilds.SandyRentool said:
I agree.londonpubman said:
Best to cancel HS2 altogether what a waste of money.Scott_xP said:UK government set to radically scale back HS2 eastern route https://on.ft.com/3ko424y
However I can understand people wanting to get out of London in a hurry.
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Yes but puppies and kittens are more popular than asylum seekers, nailed on.TheScreamingEagles said:Exclusive: Defence Secretary Ben Wallace says British evacuation efforts in Kabul have been 'diverted' by bid to rescue animals cared for by ex-Royal Marine Pen Farthing
https://news.sky.com/story/exclusive-defence-secretary-ben-wallace-says-british-evacuation-efforts-in-kabul-have-been-diverted-by-bid-to-rescue-animals-cared-for-by-ex-royal-marine-pen-farthing-123906791 -
“When the Bakerloo line opened in 1906, for example, advertisements paraded the tube as the coolest place to be in the hot summer weather. Two years later, that campaign stopped as platform and train temperatures started to get uncomfortable.”rcs1000 said:
Really?DougSeal said:Fascinating London Underground fact. When it first opened people went down into the Tube to cool off. The temperature of the surrounding clay was only about 14C but 150 years of heat absorption has risen that to 19c-25C and as a result it’s a sweltering nightmare.
I ask because if you go down a coal mine, it gets warmer the deeper you go.
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And the free market says, the price goes up. Which is actually not ideal for the people who shop in the supermarkets, is it? i.e. you and me?Philip_Thompson said:
The market is pretty efficient.Carnyx said:
Quite. And yet they have to supply the supermarkets. Who are about as moveable as that container ship in the Suez Canal.Philip_Thompson said:
If anyone's suffering a labour shortage they can always try paying better wages to attract staff.Carnyx said:
That comment of yours butters no parsnips - and certainly batters no haddock.Philip_Thompson said:
Well indeed, if you listened to Remainers then we're supposed to be having mass unemployment right now thanks to Brexit.Carnyx said:
AndTheuniondivvie said:When even the cheerleaders are having a wee think to themselves.
https://twitter.com/c4ciaran/status/1430578846894592016?s=21
"Scot Burgess is the factory manager at Whitelink, a major Scottish seafood producer.
Single biggest challenge? ‘Labour shortage.’
Single biggest reason? ‘Brexit’."
What would he know?
The minimum wage is supposed to be an absolute minimum not a maximum.
If the supermarkets require stock they will pay what they need to do so, so the price will go up.
Or if they're outcompeted by other nations and importing it is cheaper then that's what we should do.
Either way, let the free market sort it out.
If supermarkets are inefficient then that's their problem they need to sort out, we don't need to change our laws to handle companies inefficiencies.
Mind you, we also don't need to change our laws to handle wannabe house buyers' inefficiencies, do we? If there's a shortage of houses, the market will sort it by pushing prices up. An equilibrium will be arrived at. Sorted.
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Or, alternativelyMattW said:
Lost the battle; winning the war.IshmaelZ said:
There's a lot of strategy in test cricket which you just don't understand, Sunil. England have fallen straight into India's trap.Sunil_Prasannan said:
By coincidence, England India were all out for 78 today.Andy_JS said:The problem isn't being 78 per se. There are lots of people that age who are still as sharp as ever.
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The only Country in history to impose sanctions on itself...Stark_Dawning said:The genius of Brexit is that it's rigged the market to the UK's disadvantage.
And still the fanbois cheer1 -
Indeed, this the Katie Hopkins government.Foxy said:
Yes but puppies and kittens are more popular than asylum seekers, nailed on.TheScreamingEagles said:Exclusive: Defence Secretary Ben Wallace says British evacuation efforts in Kabul have been 'diverted' by bid to rescue animals cared for by ex-Royal Marine Pen Farthing
https://news.sky.com/story/exclusive-defence-secretary-ben-wallace-says-british-evacuation-efforts-in-kabul-have-been-diverted-by-bid-to-rescue-animals-cared-for-by-ex-royal-marine-pen-farthing-123906790 -
That's certainly true. However before you get on the train in the winter it can be very cold on the station. I'm nearly 100% certain that I'm right, but I can't find anything to prove it. I'm fairly sure you don't believe the natural ambient temperature of 14c anyway.Carnyx said:
I think that is because they park the trains in the open overnight. Also (depending on where you are) many underground trains run in the open air at the further out legs - eg Northern Line through Cricklewood (I do know that from visiting the RAF Museum).Omnium said:
In part because it's freezing cold in the winter on the first, or near to first, tube.Carnyx said:
Why shouldn't it be? It's been London for rather a long time - lots of tarmac, lots of insolation, lots of sweaty yuppies, etc. And see this.Omnium said:
It's just not the case that 5m (say) below the ground the ambient temperature is 14c. (At least I think it isn't - Am looking online to find some evidence).DougSeal said:
“The nub of the problem is that the biggest heat sink is failing as the temperature behind the walls rises way back into the clay. It’s now sitting at between 5C and 11C above the natural ambient of 14C.”Omnium said:
Ok, but this isn't about the temperature of the clay.DougSeal said:
http://www.operationsengineer.org.uk/article-images/23757/cooling.pdfOmnium said:
I doubt the ambient temperature of the clay is 19-25. Sorry. Do you have any evidence that this is the case?DougSeal said:Fascinating London Underground fact. When it first opened people went down into the Tube to cool off. The temperature of the surrounding clay was only about 14C but 150 years of heat absorption has risen that to 19c-25C and as a result it’s a sweltering nightmare.
I somewhat doubt the 14 too. Seems far too hot.
Someone will no doubt know but my guess would be that the surroundings of the tunnels are 5c or so.
http://nora.nerc.ac.uk/id/eprint/512282/1/Submitted (again) to QJEGH endSept 2015.pdf
Mainly though I just think that it isn't, and evidence one way or another seems to be tricky to find.
If I find anything I'll PM you.0 -
I: Britain tells Afghans to forget the airport and go to border #TomorrowsPapersToday https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/1430633922912825350/photo/10
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Ewww no!!!!Charles said:
Why did “cheerleaders” and “wee” make me think of @TSETheuniondivvie said:When even the cheerleaders are having a wee think to themselves.
https://twitter.com/c4ciaran/status/1430578846894592016?s=21
To the wee bit anyway.0 -
Campbell Bannerman wasn't great?Charles said:
No really awful ones. Russell and Campbell Bannermann weren’t great. Chamberlain had a lot of potential but was found wanting against a v tough testOmnium said:
You'd probably want to lop off about 5 years to their modern equivalents. Some of these were awful.ydoethur said:
Oldest PMs by age of departure from officeIanB2 said:
It is striking how US voters are willing to tolerate candidates way beyond the age at which most European countries would look for someone with a bit more energy.ydoethur said:
I think the problem (and I’ve said this before) come aback to the lack of profile among Democratic candidates. All three of Obama’s two Secretaries of State and vice-President were in their 60s/70s in 2016. There were simply no younger candidates forcing their way through. Of those three, apart from age, Kerry was already a failed candidate and Hilary Clinton was incredibly divisive. That left Biden carrying the torch. And he did it very well - he said all the right things - but he’s not showing what’s needed now to sort things out.rottenborough said:
Only Biden could have beaten Trump imho.Philip_Thompson said:Biden is an awful President who should never have won a primary let alone an election.
Still infinitely better than Trump. But the Democrats need to think hard on the primaries for 2024 or the GOP really will have an easy ride then (so long as they don't choose Trump again).
That was his one last job.
Somewhere, a younger candidate in their fifties should have been brought forward, perhaps by Biden or Kerry resigning and being replaced by somebody younger, somebody being groomed for the succession. Bad oversight by Obama that he didn’t do it.
I really don’t know whether the US clings onto some excessive respect for those with decades of experience, or whether the $-driven nature of US politics makes it difficult to get to the top of the greasy pole without decades of greasing the right palms and dispensing the right pork.
Gladstone 84
Palmerston 80
Churchill 80
Disraeli 75
Lord John Russell 73
Lord Salisbury 72
Campbell Bannerman 71
Neville Chamberlain 71
The Duke of Portland 71
Lord Aberdeen 71
Earl Grey 70
It is to my mind rather striking that only one of those was elected via a general election in the age of universal suffrage.
Equally, of course, Palmerston probably would have won elections under any franchise even in his seventies.
(And to be controversial, Chamberlain would easily have won an election in October 1938, although fortunately he had more sense than to call one.)
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Nope.SandyRentool said:
These "wilds". Zone 4?Anabobazina said:
I’ve been loving going back into town since I came back from holidays in the wilds. No need to scrabble about or drive for a good place to eat down here. Had more good meals in the few days since I have been back than in weeks in the wilds.SandyRentool said:
I agree.londonpubman said:
Best to cancel HS2 altogether what a waste of money.Scott_xP said:UK government set to radically scale back HS2 eastern route https://on.ft.com/3ko424y
However I can understand people wanting to get out of London in a hurry.0 -
I can tell by your posting that that you hate little fluffy kittens with big googoo eyes almost as much as you hate Great Ormond Street Hospital for children.TheScreamingEagles said:Exclusive: Defence Secretary Ben Wallace says British evacuation efforts in Kabul have been 'diverted' by bid to rescue animals cared for by ex-Royal Marine Pen Farthing
https://news.sky.com/story/exclusive-defence-secretary-ben-wallace-says-british-evacuation-efforts-in-kabul-have-been-diverted-by-bid-to-rescue-animals-cared-for-by-ex-royal-marine-pen-farthing-12390679
Never mind the Afghans, think about the doggies.0 -
Well as a cat owner....IshmaelZ said:
I can tell by your posting that that you hate little fluffy kittens with big googoo eyes almost as much as you hate Great Ormond Street Hospital for children.TheScreamingEagles said:Exclusive: Defence Secretary Ben Wallace says British evacuation efforts in Kabul have been 'diverted' by bid to rescue animals cared for by ex-Royal Marine Pen Farthing
https://news.sky.com/story/exclusive-defence-secretary-ben-wallace-says-british-evacuation-efforts-in-kabul-have-been-diverted-by-bid-to-rescue-animals-cared-for-by-ex-royal-marine-pen-farthing-12390679
Never mind the Afghans, think about the doggies.0 -
I think we also need to hear from the Afghan owners.TheScreamingEagles said:
Well as a cat owner....IshmaelZ said:
I can tell by your posting that that you hate little fluffy kittens with big googoo eyes almost as much as you hate Great Ormond Street Hospital for children.TheScreamingEagles said:Exclusive: Defence Secretary Ben Wallace says British evacuation efforts in Kabul have been 'diverted' by bid to rescue animals cared for by ex-Royal Marine Pen Farthing
https://news.sky.com/story/exclusive-defence-secretary-ben-wallace-says-british-evacuation-efforts-in-kabul-have-been-diverted-by-bid-to-rescue-animals-cared-for-by-ex-royal-marine-pen-farthing-12390679
Never mind the Afghans, think about the doggies.
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