Another post-BoJo quarantine U-turn poll sees CON below 40% and LAB within 4% – politicalbetting.com
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The lack of crowds REALLY ruins big rugby matches, even more than football
This is spiritless. Feels like a training match with the reserves0 -
Actually... that's not quite true. The Netherlands had a very similar start to us, and is now down even more than us (albeit they reintroduced some restrictions). Denmark is also down and Belgium appears to have topped out too. Germany and Sweden have (so far) managed to avoidturbotubbs said:
Bad news for you is our cases are going the right direction and we have no restrictions. In Europe delta is just taking off...Roger said:
No need to worry. We're still comfortably ahead of all the countries in the EU.CarlottaVance said:NEW: UK coronavirus cases
Last Thursday: 48,553
Day before Yesterday: 39,906
Last Friday: 51,870
Yesterday: 36,389
Last Saturday: 54674
Today: 31,795
Something is happening
https://twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/status/1418962798835535873?s=20
France, Spain and Italy are all still on the upswing, and from lower levels of vaccinations than us. But they also have school summer holidays, and vaccination programmes continue at pace. I'd expect Spain (which has been most lax in terms of restrictions) to probably get to 75-80k cases a day, while I think France will make it to 50-55k.
But none of them will have exit waves that look very different to us. And they're all keeping jabbing. (Indeed, Delta probably comes at quite a good time to persuade sceptics to take it in the arm.)0 -
Indeed. To my mind all the European nations should be expected to have good vaccination programmes, and be able to get a very high proportion vaccinated. It might well end up higher than the UK in some cases and that is great for them and indeed everyone else. But the success trumpted previously was about reaching the most people possible as early as possible, particularly given the waves ongoing at the time, not some pissing context about who could get the most done over time, as some of the snarky tweets seem to think is the case. They took longer to get going, but once they did of course most did well.alex_ said:
The really ridiculous thing is this latest stuff about the EU vaccine "success". Relative to most of the world the EU has done fine on vaccines. However if the UK had followed the EU vaccine trajectory then we would have had 10s of 000s of more deaths, so on our own terms the UK vaccine drive is a massive success. I do think there is something in the argument that the UK success has helped the EU who have had to raise their game in response. And everyone in the UK should welcome that. A vaccinated Europe is as ultimately as good for us as it is for them. And vice versa.kle4 said:
Are we going to get to a point where we stop trying to score points based on single moments in time, when nations experience waves at different moments? What will you do if in a week that is not the case any longer?Roger said:
No need to worry. We're still comfortably ahead of all the countries in the EU.CarlottaVance said:NEW: UK coronavirus cases
Last Thursday: 48,553
Day before Yesterday: 39,906
Last Friday: 51,870
Yesterday: 36,389
Last Saturday: 54674
Today: 31,795
Something is happening
https://twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/status/1418962798835535873?s=20
Arguments now about the UK being "overtaken" by some countries however are silly. In large part our vaccine programme (given that we are currently not choosing to vaccinate children) is complete. Those who won't get the vaccine are refuseniks. And we are likely to have a lower level of refuseniks than almost all other European countries.1 -
At the moment the zero Covidians seem to be deciding that the solution is to largely ignore or explain away the published figures and only focus on the ONS survey as the gold standard. Of course if ONS, which is always a week old, tracks the published numbers - which it usually does - then come next Tuesday (or maybe the one after - given there may be a testing effect) they may have to try a different tack...0
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Chise 🧬🧫🦠💉
@sailorrooscout
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Real-world data out of Italy (ISS) on overall vaccine effectiveness (both doses) shows:
•Symptomatic Infection: 88% [87.9-88.4%]
•Hospitalization: 95% [94.6-95.2%]
•ICU Admission: 97% [96.5-98.0%]
•Death: 96% [95.6-96.5%]
Delta (B.1.617.2) makes up ~60% of Italy’s cases.0 -
Such a sensible and mature commentkle4 said:
Are we going to get to a point where we stop trying to score points based on single moments in time, when nations experience waves at different moments? What will you do if in a week that is not the case any longer? On your logic it would mean you would need to start praising Boris over other leaders, which would be silly.Roger said:
No need to worry. We're still comfortably ahead of all the countries in the EU.CarlottaVance said:NEW: UK coronavirus cases
Last Thursday: 48,553
Day before Yesterday: 39,906
Last Friday: 51,870
Yesterday: 36,389
Last Saturday: 54674
Today: 31,795
Something is happening
https://twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/status/1418962798835535873?s=201 -
Delta makes up 60% of Italy's cases today. But in all likelihood that data on efficacy will have been generated over a longer period, when Delta was no so prevalent.rottenborough said:Chise 🧬🧫🦠💉
@sailorrooscout
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Real-world data out of Italy (ISS) on overall vaccine effectiveness (both doses) shows:
•Symptomatic Infection: 88% [87.9-88.4%]
•Hospitalization: 95% [94.6-95.2%]
•ICU Admission: 97% [96.5-98.0%]
•Death: 96% [95.6-96.5%]
Delta (B.1.617.2) makes up ~60% of Italy’s cases.0 -
The Welsh are great, they know their plac....no, stop it, bad kle4!ydoethur said:
Well, not being Welsh you’ve probably never been on the receiving end of it.Carnyx said:
Course it does. As does anti-Irish racism/sectarianism (probably counts as anti-RCism actually though the two are obviously easily conflated). (though, come to thinl of it, I can't think of anti-Welsh racism as an issue: it must exist, at least in theory).ydoethur said:
Does anti-English xenophobia count as racism or not?kinabalu said:
Take 100 random SNP voters. Take 100 random English Leave voters. Which group will have the larger racist quotient, do we think?Leon said:
Yes, despite all Carnyx's guff (and how disappointing from the most urbane Nat on here) what Stuart Dickson said is obvious: his "fellow countrymen" are Scots born in Scotland. That's it. Everyone else is not truly Scottish, not a "fellow countryman", and if they don't embrace Scottish independence they are..... God knows what he thinks.Sunil_Prasannan said:
He said this:Carnyx said:
Perhaps more to the point, "your fellow countrymen" is hopelessly ambiguous. It cane from a PBTory in the middle of a debate about whether the correct designation for the so-called British is, well, British (but as any fule kno that is hopelessly ambiguous in NI and the adjacent parts of Scotland and the correct answer is subject of HMTQ of the UK etc). And the only definition of a Scot in PBToryland is a blood definition (as seen by the constant chorus of demand to allow e.g. Mr Cameron a vote in indyref2).Theuniondivvie said:
You lied about what he said.Leon said:
For once in your PB life you could show a bit of backbone and say a fellow Nat is talking offensive nonsenseTheuniondivvie said:
Bit bored after your fruitless search for flaked Parmesan are you?Leon said:Interesting.
When, say, a Tory like HYUFD comes out with some offensive position - like sending tanks over Hadrian's Wall - his fellow Tories are quite happy to denounce him, and distance themselves
When a Nat like Stuart Dickson comes up with 100% full-fat Powellite Blut Und Boden Scottish ethno-nationalism, his fellow Nats just murmur politely, or say nothing, or quietly tip-toe away, they do not call him out. Loyalty, or cowardice? Perhaps both
I've never known you do it, despite ample opportunities. Here is another chance
Weedy trolling effort - nul points
So Mr Dickson was merely being polite in answering the question in the terms and mindset of the original questioner, and it hardly seems fair to monster him for that. You'd complain - and PBTories most certainly do - if one uses a different definition of Scot.
"Max: It must eat away at you that your fellow countrymen bottled it in 2014"
Stuart: Except they didn’t.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/majority-of-scottish-born-voters-said-yes-z7v2mmhc8nt
At the core of Nat ideology is ethnocentricity and anti-Englishness. Twas ever thus. All the rest- from civic Nationalism to pro-EU sentiment - is transient fancy packaging designed to disguise this central and rather unpleasant ethos. We know this because the pro-EU thing is a completely new invention, given that a YES vote in 2014 meant instant departure from the EU.
Picked 100 because I've just been watching Pointless.
https://www.gov.scot/publications/study-characteristics-police-recorded-hate-crime-scotland/pages/6/
In @TSE ‘s case, it seems to rise in direct proportion to the Welsh score against England in the rugby
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ZOE app is not showing the dip in cases that we are seeing on the PHE dashboard from testing.
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I don't think you can say that none of them will have exit waves that look different to ours. Romania and Bulgaria have terrible vaccination rates.rcs1000 said:
Actually... that's not quite true. The Netherlands had a very similar start to us, and is now down even more than us (albeit they reintroduced some restrictions). Denmark is also down and Belgium appears to have topped out too. Germany and Sweden have (so far) managed to avoidturbotubbs said:
Bad news for you is our cases are going the right direction and we have no restrictions. In Europe delta is just taking off...Roger said:
No need to worry. We're still comfortably ahead of all the countries in the EU.CarlottaVance said:NEW: UK coronavirus cases
Last Thursday: 48,553
Day before Yesterday: 39,906
Last Friday: 51,870
Yesterday: 36,389
Last Saturday: 54674
Today: 31,795
Something is happening
https://twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/status/1418962798835535873?s=20
France, Spain and Italy are all still on the upswing, and from lower levels of vaccinations than us. But they also have school summer holidays, and vaccination programmes continue at pace. I'd expect Spain (which has been most lax in terms of restrictions) to probably get to 75-80k cases a day, while I think France will make it to 50-55k.
But none of them will have exit waves that look very different to us. And they're all keeping jabbing. (Indeed, Delta probably comes at quite a good time to persuade sceptics to take it in the arm.)
Differential rates of vaccination among vulnerable groups could also lead to big differences in mortality during an exit wave. For example if country A and country B both have 60% vaccinated, but country A's vaccinations are skewed towards the elderly and vulnerable, you would expect it to cope better with a new wave.0 -
Indeed. April to July data.rcs1000 said:
Delta makes up 60% of Italy's cases today. But in all likelihood that data on efficacy will have been generated over a longer period, when Delta was no so prevalent.rottenborough said:Chise 🧬🧫🦠💉
@sailorrooscout
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2h
Real-world data out of Italy (ISS) on overall vaccine effectiveness (both doses) shows:
•Symptomatic Infection: 88% [87.9-88.4%]
•Hospitalization: 95% [94.6-95.2%]
•ICU Admission: 97% [96.5-98.0%]
•Death: 96% [95.6-96.5%]
Delta (B.1.617.2) makes up ~60% of Italy’s cases.0 -
As an aside, one feature of Delta that's well worth noting is that infections are detectable much earlier (typically 3-4 days after exposure) than with either Original or other variants (7 days). This means that upswings will look much steeper than they actually are, as we're just counting cases earlier. It probably also plays a role in Delta retreating quicker too.0
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I'd rather watch The Hundred than this sterile crowdless rugby bollox0
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You’d do it by law. Both debts and assets converted. Otherwise it would be a messSandpit said:
Indeed. But it won’t be up to the Scottish government, it will be up to the banks.Charles said:
If you were the Scottish government wouldn’t you want it the other way round?Sandpit said:
That’s hillarious. It’ll be savings redenominated automatically into Groats, and mortgages kept in Sterling - unless they want to see what happens when hundreds of billions of Groats get sold to buy Sterling on I-Day?Leon said:Can any of our Nat friends talk us through this exposition of the currency issue in indy Scotland?
This guy, a professional, er, mapmaker - but also "Convener of the Scottish Currency Group", has handily sketched out how the new Scottish pound will be established, and how the move from sterling will work. It includes gems like this:
https://twitter.com/RideoutTim/status/1418627474175533059?s=20
"Your bank will contact you near the time and ask if you would like to re-mortgage into the S£, or take out new S£ credit cards and loans. The banks, Scottish Government and the Scottish Reserve Bank will run an information campaign."
So that's a doddle then. As someone on Twitter points out, there are 900,000 Scottish mortgage holders who need to be "contacted" and given advice on "remortgaging into the S£."
That's quite a long chat. Say two hours per mortgage?
900,000 x 2 hours is 1.8m hours which is 200 years, add in working hours and holidays it's more like 800-1000 years. If the banks get it together and have 100 dedicated teams working flat out on just this, day in day out, they could easily get in done in eight decades
Savings in hard currency, borrowings in the depreciating currency
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Dan Biggar is wonderful.kle4 said:
The Welsh are great, they know their plac....no, stop it, bad kle4!ydoethur said:
Well, not being Welsh you’ve probably never been on the receiving end of it.Carnyx said:
Course it does. As does anti-Irish racism/sectarianism (probably counts as anti-RCism actually though the two are obviously easily conflated). (though, come to thinl of it, I can't think of anti-Welsh racism as an issue: it must exist, at least in theory).ydoethur said:
Does anti-English xenophobia count as racism or not?kinabalu said:
Take 100 random SNP voters. Take 100 random English Leave voters. Which group will have the larger racist quotient, do we think?Leon said:
Yes, despite all Carnyx's guff (and how disappointing from the most urbane Nat on here) what Stuart Dickson said is obvious: his "fellow countrymen" are Scots born in Scotland. That's it. Everyone else is not truly Scottish, not a "fellow countryman", and if they don't embrace Scottish independence they are..... God knows what he thinks.Sunil_Prasannan said:
He said this:Carnyx said:
Perhaps more to the point, "your fellow countrymen" is hopelessly ambiguous. It cane from a PBTory in the middle of a debate about whether the correct designation for the so-called British is, well, British (but as any fule kno that is hopelessly ambiguous in NI and the adjacent parts of Scotland and the correct answer is subject of HMTQ of the UK etc). And the only definition of a Scot in PBToryland is a blood definition (as seen by the constant chorus of demand to allow e.g. Mr Cameron a vote in indyref2).Theuniondivvie said:
You lied about what he said.Leon said:
For once in your PB life you could show a bit of backbone and say a fellow Nat is talking offensive nonsenseTheuniondivvie said:
Bit bored after your fruitless search for flaked Parmesan are you?Leon said:Interesting.
When, say, a Tory like HYUFD comes out with some offensive position - like sending tanks over Hadrian's Wall - his fellow Tories are quite happy to denounce him, and distance themselves
When a Nat like Stuart Dickson comes up with 100% full-fat Powellite Blut Und Boden Scottish ethno-nationalism, his fellow Nats just murmur politely, or say nothing, or quietly tip-toe away, they do not call him out. Loyalty, or cowardice? Perhaps both
I've never known you do it, despite ample opportunities. Here is another chance
Weedy trolling effort - nul points
So Mr Dickson was merely being polite in answering the question in the terms and mindset of the original questioner, and it hardly seems fair to monster him for that. You'd complain - and PBTories most certainly do - if one uses a different definition of Scot.
"Max: It must eat away at you that your fellow countrymen bottled it in 2014"
Stuart: Except they didn’t.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/majority-of-scottish-born-voters-said-yes-z7v2mmhc8nt
At the core of Nat ideology is ethnocentricity and anti-Englishness. Twas ever thus. All the rest- from civic Nationalism to pro-EU sentiment - is transient fancy packaging designed to disguise this central and rather unpleasant ethos. We know this because the pro-EU thing is a completely new invention, given that a YES vote in 2014 meant instant departure from the EU.
Picked 100 because I've just been watching Pointless.
https://www.gov.scot/publications/study-characteristics-police-recorded-hate-crime-scotland/pages/6/
In @TSE ‘s case, it seems to rise in direct proportion to the Welsh score against England in the rugby
I can't believe people think I am anti Welsh.
I love the sheep botherers, their rugby fans on the other hand.0 -
Indeed - isolation of infected cases (as opposed to contacts) is substantially more efficient.rcs1000 said:As an aside, one feature of Delta that's well worth noting is that infections are detectable much earlier (typically 3-4 days after exposure) than with either Original or other variants (7 days). This means that upswings will look much steeper than they actually are, as we're just counting cases earlier. It probably also plays a role in Delta retreating quicker too.
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Who's the LibDem who was in favour? I'm going with Tim Farron, but it would be interesting to know. (Or it could be that the new MP for C&A hasn't actually appeared in the Commons yet.)rottenborough said:To date, 15 peers and 81 MPs (43 Conservative, 25 Labour, 11 Lib Dems, 1 Green, 1 Ind) have joined the cross-party campaign to oppose COVID-status certificates.
https://bigbrotherwatch.org.uk/campaigns/stopvaccinepassports/#crosspartycampaign
Edit to add: yes, it's Sarah Green, the new MP for C&A. Maybe she hasn't taken her seat yet.0 -
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There is also the clustering effect - if you are Ghanian, say, and move to a small village in the Highlands, it is quite possible that you are the only black person in the area. In London, you are part of the Ghanian community....MaxPB said:
The weather is shit in the North East of England as well and both Glasgow and Edinburgh are bigger than loads of English regional cities.Carnyx said:
The weather? Distance from major centres of primary settlement?MaxPB said:
I think the question that isn't asked is why Scotland has a lower foreign population. What puts black and Asian people off living there?Aslan said:
That's because Scotland has less of a foreign population as a starting point so lower integration needs, lower population density so less worries about congestion and house prices, and less productive workers, so lower dilution of output per capita from low skilled workers.Carnyx said:
This link, which I found earlier, throws some light on the answer:kinabalu said:
Take 100 random SNP voters. Take 100 random English Leave voters. Which group will have the larger racist quotient, do we think?Leon said:
Yes, despite all Carnyx's guff (and how disappointing from the most urbane Nat on here) what Stuart Dickson said is obvious: his "fellow countrymen" are Scots born in Scotland. That's it. Everyone else is not truly Scottish, not a "fellow countryman", and if they don't embrace Scottish independence they are..... God knows what he thinks.Sunil_Prasannan said:
He said this:Carnyx said:
Perhaps more to the point, "your fellow countrymen" is hopelessly ambiguous. It cane from a PBTory in the middle of a debate about whether the correct designation for the so-called British is, well, British (but as any fule kno that is hopelessly ambiguous in NI and the adjacent parts of Scotland and the correct answer is subject of HMTQ of the UK etc). And the only definition of a Scot in PBToryland is a blood definition (as seen by the constant chorus of demand to allow e.g. Mr Cameron a vote in indyref2).Theuniondivvie said:
You lied about what he said.Leon said:
For once in your PB life you could show a bit of backbone and say a fellow Nat is talking offensive nonsenseTheuniondivvie said:
Bit bored after your fruitless search for flaked Parmesan are you?Leon said:Interesting.
When, say, a Tory like HYUFD comes out with some offensive position - like sending tanks over Hadrian's Wall - his fellow Tories are quite happy to denounce him, and distance themselves
When a Nat like Stuart Dickson comes up with 100% full-fat Powellite Blut Und Boden Scottish ethno-nationalism, his fellow Nats just murmur politely, or say nothing, or quietly tip-toe away, they do not call him out. Loyalty, or cowardice? Perhaps both
I've never known you do it, despite ample opportunities. Here is another chance
Weedy trolling effort - nul points
So Mr Dickson was merely being polite in answering the question in the terms and mindset of the original questioner, and it hardly seems fair to monster him for that. You'd complain - and PBTories most certainly do - if one uses a different definition of Scot.
"Max: It must eat away at you that your fellow countrymen bottled it in 2014"
Stuart: Except they didn’t.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/majority-of-scottish-born-voters-said-yes-z7v2mmhc8nt
At the core of Nat ideology is ethnocentricity and anti-Englishness. Twas ever thus. All the rest- from civic Nationalism to pro-EU sentiment - is transient fancy packaging designed to disguise this central and rather unpleasant ethos. We know this because the pro-EU thing is a completely new invention, given that a YES vote in 2014 meant instant departure from the EU.
Picked 100 because I've just been watching Pointless.
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Well, your thinking on the subject of the Welsh is clearly a bit woolly.TheScreamingEagles said:
Dan Biggar is wonderful.kle4 said:
The Welsh are great, they know their plac....no, stop it, bad kle4!ydoethur said:
Well, not being Welsh you’ve probably never been on the receiving end of it.Carnyx said:
Course it does. As does anti-Irish racism/sectarianism (probably counts as anti-RCism actually though the two are obviously easily conflated). (though, come to thinl of it, I can't think of anti-Welsh racism as an issue: it must exist, at least in theory).ydoethur said:
Does anti-English xenophobia count as racism or not?kinabalu said:
Take 100 random SNP voters. Take 100 random English Leave voters. Which group will have the larger racist quotient, do we think?Leon said:
Yes, despite all Carnyx's guff (and how disappointing from the most urbane Nat on here) what Stuart Dickson said is obvious: his "fellow countrymen" are Scots born in Scotland. That's it. Everyone else is not truly Scottish, not a "fellow countryman", and if they don't embrace Scottish independence they are..... God knows what he thinks.Sunil_Prasannan said:
He said this:Carnyx said:
Perhaps more to the point, "your fellow countrymen" is hopelessly ambiguous. It cane from a PBTory in the middle of a debate about whether the correct designation for the so-called British is, well, British (but as any fule kno that is hopelessly ambiguous in NI and the adjacent parts of Scotland and the correct answer is subject of HMTQ of the UK etc). And the only definition of a Scot in PBToryland is a blood definition (as seen by the constant chorus of demand to allow e.g. Mr Cameron a vote in indyref2).Theuniondivvie said:
You lied about what he said.Leon said:
For once in your PB life you could show a bit of backbone and say a fellow Nat is talking offensive nonsenseTheuniondivvie said:
Bit bored after your fruitless search for flaked Parmesan are you?Leon said:Interesting.
When, say, a Tory like HYUFD comes out with some offensive position - like sending tanks over Hadrian's Wall - his fellow Tories are quite happy to denounce him, and distance themselves
When a Nat like Stuart Dickson comes up with 100% full-fat Powellite Blut Und Boden Scottish ethno-nationalism, his fellow Nats just murmur politely, or say nothing, or quietly tip-toe away, they do not call him out. Loyalty, or cowardice? Perhaps both
I've never known you do it, despite ample opportunities. Here is another chance
Weedy trolling effort - nul points
So Mr Dickson was merely being polite in answering the question in the terms and mindset of the original questioner, and it hardly seems fair to monster him for that. You'd complain - and PBTories most certainly do - if one uses a different definition of Scot.
"Max: It must eat away at you that your fellow countrymen bottled it in 2014"
Stuart: Except they didn’t.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/majority-of-scottish-born-voters-said-yes-z7v2mmhc8nt
At the core of Nat ideology is ethnocentricity and anti-Englishness. Twas ever thus. All the rest- from civic Nationalism to pro-EU sentiment - is transient fancy packaging designed to disguise this central and rather unpleasant ethos. We know this because the pro-EU thing is a completely new invention, given that a YES vote in 2014 meant instant departure from the EU.
Picked 100 because I've just been watching Pointless.
https://www.gov.scot/publications/study-characteristics-police-recorded-hate-crime-scotland/pages/6/
In @TSE ‘s case, it seems to rise in direct proportion to the Welsh score against England in the rugby
I can't believe people think I am anti Welsh.
I love the sheep botherers.1 -
I know the Lions are a touring team, but they really should have switched the fixtures given the circumstances.Leon said:The lack of crowds REALLY ruins big rugby matches, even more than football
This is spiritless. Feels like a training match with the reserves
Imagine 75,000 at Twickenham for this match.0 -
Ewe must be joking!TheScreamingEagles said:
Dan Biggar is wonderful.kle4 said:
The Welsh are great, they know their plac....no, stop it, bad kle4!ydoethur said:
Well, not being Welsh you’ve probably never been on the receiving end of it.Carnyx said:
Course it does. As does anti-Irish racism/sectarianism (probably counts as anti-RCism actually though the two are obviously easily conflated). (though, come to thinl of it, I can't think of anti-Welsh racism as an issue: it must exist, at least in theory).ydoethur said:
Does anti-English xenophobia count as racism or not?kinabalu said:
Take 100 random SNP voters. Take 100 random English Leave voters. Which group will have the larger racist quotient, do we think?Leon said:
Yes, despite all Carnyx's guff (and how disappointing from the most urbane Nat on here) what Stuart Dickson said is obvious: his "fellow countrymen" are Scots born in Scotland. That's it. Everyone else is not truly Scottish, not a "fellow countryman", and if they don't embrace Scottish independence they are..... God knows what he thinks.Sunil_Prasannan said:
He said this:Carnyx said:
Perhaps more to the point, "your fellow countrymen" is hopelessly ambiguous. It cane from a PBTory in the middle of a debate about whether the correct designation for the so-called British is, well, British (but as any fule kno that is hopelessly ambiguous in NI and the adjacent parts of Scotland and the correct answer is subject of HMTQ of the UK etc). And the only definition of a Scot in PBToryland is a blood definition (as seen by the constant chorus of demand to allow e.g. Mr Cameron a vote in indyref2).Theuniondivvie said:
You lied about what he said.Leon said:
For once in your PB life you could show a bit of backbone and say a fellow Nat is talking offensive nonsenseTheuniondivvie said:
Bit bored after your fruitless search for flaked Parmesan are you?Leon said:Interesting.
When, say, a Tory like HYUFD comes out with some offensive position - like sending tanks over Hadrian's Wall - his fellow Tories are quite happy to denounce him, and distance themselves
When a Nat like Stuart Dickson comes up with 100% full-fat Powellite Blut Und Boden Scottish ethno-nationalism, his fellow Nats just murmur politely, or say nothing, or quietly tip-toe away, they do not call him out. Loyalty, or cowardice? Perhaps both
I've never known you do it, despite ample opportunities. Here is another chance
Weedy trolling effort - nul points
So Mr Dickson was merely being polite in answering the question in the terms and mindset of the original questioner, and it hardly seems fair to monster him for that. You'd complain - and PBTories most certainly do - if one uses a different definition of Scot.
"Max: It must eat away at you that your fellow countrymen bottled it in 2014"
Stuart: Except they didn’t.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/majority-of-scottish-born-voters-said-yes-z7v2mmhc8nt
At the core of Nat ideology is ethnocentricity and anti-Englishness. Twas ever thus. All the rest- from civic Nationalism to pro-EU sentiment - is transient fancy packaging designed to disguise this central and rather unpleasant ethos. We know this because the pro-EU thing is a completely new invention, given that a YES vote in 2014 meant instant departure from the EU.
Picked 100 because I've just been watching Pointless.
https://www.gov.scot/publications/study-characteristics-police-recorded-hate-crime-scotland/pages/6/
In @TSE ‘s case, it seems to rise in direct proportion to the Welsh score against England in the rugby
I can't believe people think I am anti Welsh.
I love the sheep botherers, their rugby fans on the other hand.0 -
Zoe is all over the place at the moment - and I say that as a believer. They changed their methodology on Thursday because they had too many users vaccinated vs unvaccinated. Before that change they showed cases plateauing at about 32,000.rottenborough said:ZOE app is not showing the dip in cases that we are seeing on the PHE dashboard from testing.
Hmmm???
Anyway, FWIW, even with the new methodology Zoe is showing a small drop today.0 -
It's the new one.rcs1000 said:
Who's the LibDem who was in favour? I'm going with Tim Farron, but it would be interesting to know. (Or it could be that the new MP for C&A hasn't actually appeared in the Commons yet.)rottenborough said:To date, 15 peers and 81 MPs (43 Conservative, 25 Labour, 11 Lib Dems, 1 Green, 1 Ind) have joined the cross-party campaign to oppose COVID-status certificates.
https://bigbrotherwatch.org.uk/campaigns/stopvaccinepassports/#crosspartycampaign0 -
Let's say nativist nationalism instead of racism. More precise and pertinent to the discussion.ydoethur said:
Does anti-English xenophobia count as racism or not?kinabalu said:
Take 100 random SNP voters. Take 100 random English Leave voters. Which group will have the larger racist quotient, do we think?Leon said:
Yes, despite all Carnyx's guff (and how disappointing from the most urbane Nat on here) what Stuart Dickson said is obvious: his "fellow countrymen" are Scots born in Scotland. That's it. Everyone else is not truly Scottish, not a "fellow countryman", and if they don't embrace Scottish independence they are..... God knows what he thinks.Sunil_Prasannan said:
He said this:Carnyx said:
Perhaps more to the point, "your fellow countrymen" is hopelessly ambiguous. It cane from a PBTory in the middle of a debate about whether the correct designation for the so-called British is, well, British (but as any fule kno that is hopelessly ambiguous in NI and the adjacent parts of Scotland and the correct answer is subject of HMTQ of the UK etc). And the only definition of a Scot in PBToryland is a blood definition (as seen by the constant chorus of demand to allow e.g. Mr Cameron a vote in indyref2).Theuniondivvie said:
You lied about what he said.Leon said:
For once in your PB life you could show a bit of backbone and say a fellow Nat is talking offensive nonsenseTheuniondivvie said:
Bit bored after your fruitless search for flaked Parmesan are you?Leon said:Interesting.
When, say, a Tory like HYUFD comes out with some offensive position - like sending tanks over Hadrian's Wall - his fellow Tories are quite happy to denounce him, and distance themselves
When a Nat like Stuart Dickson comes up with 100% full-fat Powellite Blut Und Boden Scottish ethno-nationalism, his fellow Nats just murmur politely, or say nothing, or quietly tip-toe away, they do not call him out. Loyalty, or cowardice? Perhaps both
I've never known you do it, despite ample opportunities. Here is another chance
Weedy trolling effort - nul points
So Mr Dickson was merely being polite in answering the question in the terms and mindset of the original questioner, and it hardly seems fair to monster him for that. You'd complain - and PBTories most certainly do - if one uses a different definition of Scot.
"Max: It must eat away at you that your fellow countrymen bottled it in 2014"
Stuart: Except they didn’t.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/majority-of-scottish-born-voters-said-yes-z7v2mmhc8nt
At the core of Nat ideology is ethnocentricity and anti-Englishness. Twas ever thus. All the rest- from civic Nationalism to pro-EU sentiment - is transient fancy packaging designed to disguise this central and rather unpleasant ethos. We know this because the pro-EU thing is a completely new invention, given that a YES vote in 2014 meant instant departure from the EU.
Picked 100 because I've just been watching Pointless.0 -
The amount of people coming to Scotland fleeing multiculturalism south of the bother?MaxPB said:
I think the question that isn't asked is why Scotland has a lower foreign population. What puts black and Asian people off living there?Aslan said:
That's because Scotland has less of a foreign population as a starting point so lower integration needs, lower population density so less worries about congestion and house prices, and less productive workers, so lower dilution of output per capita from low skilled workers.Carnyx said:
This link, which I found earlier, throws some light on the answer:kinabalu said:
Take 100 random SNP voters. Take 100 random English Leave voters. Which group will have the larger racist quotient, do we think?Leon said:
Yes, despite all Carnyx's guff (and how disappointing from the most urbane Nat on here) what Stuart Dickson said is obvious: his "fellow countrymen" are Scots born in Scotland. That's it. Everyone else is not truly Scottish, not a "fellow countryman", and if they don't embrace Scottish independence they are..... God knows what he thinks.Sunil_Prasannan said:
He said this:Carnyx said:
Perhaps more to the point, "your fellow countrymen" is hopelessly ambiguous. It cane from a PBTory in the middle of a debate about whether the correct designation for the so-called British is, well, British (but as any fule kno that is hopelessly ambiguous in NI and the adjacent parts of Scotland and the correct answer is subject of HMTQ of the UK etc). And the only definition of a Scot in PBToryland is a blood definition (as seen by the constant chorus of demand to allow e.g. Mr Cameron a vote in indyref2).Theuniondivvie said:
You lied about what he said.Leon said:
For once in your PB life you could show a bit of backbone and say a fellow Nat is talking offensive nonsenseTheuniondivvie said:
Bit bored after your fruitless search for flaked Parmesan are you?Leon said:Interesting.
When, say, a Tory like HYUFD comes out with some offensive position - like sending tanks over Hadrian's Wall - his fellow Tories are quite happy to denounce him, and distance themselves
When a Nat like Stuart Dickson comes up with 100% full-fat Powellite Blut Und Boden Scottish ethno-nationalism, his fellow Nats just murmur politely, or say nothing, or quietly tip-toe away, they do not call him out. Loyalty, or cowardice? Perhaps both
I've never known you do it, despite ample opportunities. Here is another chance
Weedy trolling effort - nul points
So Mr Dickson was merely being polite in answering the question in the terms and mindset of the original questioner, and it hardly seems fair to monster him for that. You'd complain - and PBTories most certainly do - if one uses a different definition of Scot.
"Max: It must eat away at you that your fellow countrymen bottled it in 2014"
Stuart: Except they didn’t.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/majority-of-scottish-born-voters-said-yes-z7v2mmhc8nt
At the core of Nat ideology is ethnocentricity and anti-Englishness. Twas ever thus. All the rest- from civic Nationalism to pro-EU sentiment - is transient fancy packaging designed to disguise this central and rather unpleasant ethos. We know this because the pro-EU thing is a completely new invention, given that a YES vote in 2014 meant instant departure from the EU.
Picked 100 because I've just been watching Pointless.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-464573410 -
You’re just trying to ram it home.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Ewe must be joking!TheScreamingEagles said:
Dan Biggar is wonderful.kle4 said:
The Welsh are great, they know their plac....no, stop it, bad kle4!ydoethur said:
Well, not being Welsh you’ve probably never been on the receiving end of it.Carnyx said:
Course it does. As does anti-Irish racism/sectarianism (probably counts as anti-RCism actually though the two are obviously easily conflated). (though, come to thinl of it, I can't think of anti-Welsh racism as an issue: it must exist, at least in theory).ydoethur said:
Does anti-English xenophobia count as racism or not?kinabalu said:
Take 100 random SNP voters. Take 100 random English Leave voters. Which group will have the larger racist quotient, do we think?Leon said:
Yes, despite all Carnyx's guff (and how disappointing from the most urbane Nat on here) what Stuart Dickson said is obvious: his "fellow countrymen" are Scots born in Scotland. That's it. Everyone else is not truly Scottish, not a "fellow countryman", and if they don't embrace Scottish independence they are..... God knows what he thinks.Sunil_Prasannan said:
He said this:Carnyx said:
Perhaps more to the point, "your fellow countrymen" is hopelessly ambiguous. It cane from a PBTory in the middle of a debate about whether the correct designation for the so-called British is, well, British (but as any fule kno that is hopelessly ambiguous in NI and the adjacent parts of Scotland and the correct answer is subject of HMTQ of the UK etc). And the only definition of a Scot in PBToryland is a blood definition (as seen by the constant chorus of demand to allow e.g. Mr Cameron a vote in indyref2).Theuniondivvie said:
You lied about what he said.Leon said:
For once in your PB life you could show a bit of backbone and say a fellow Nat is talking offensive nonsenseTheuniondivvie said:
Bit bored after your fruitless search for flaked Parmesan are you?Leon said:Interesting.
When, say, a Tory like HYUFD comes out with some offensive position - like sending tanks over Hadrian's Wall - his fellow Tories are quite happy to denounce him, and distance themselves
When a Nat like Stuart Dickson comes up with 100% full-fat Powellite Blut Und Boden Scottish ethno-nationalism, his fellow Nats just murmur politely, or say nothing, or quietly tip-toe away, they do not call him out. Loyalty, or cowardice? Perhaps both
I've never known you do it, despite ample opportunities. Here is another chance
Weedy trolling effort - nul points
So Mr Dickson was merely being polite in answering the question in the terms and mindset of the original questioner, and it hardly seems fair to monster him for that. You'd complain - and PBTories most certainly do - if one uses a different definition of Scot.
"Max: It must eat away at you that your fellow countrymen bottled it in 2014"
Stuart: Except they didn’t.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/majority-of-scottish-born-voters-said-yes-z7v2mmhc8nt
At the core of Nat ideology is ethnocentricity and anti-Englishness. Twas ever thus. All the rest- from civic Nationalism to pro-EU sentiment - is transient fancy packaging designed to disguise this central and rather unpleasant ethos. We know this because the pro-EU thing is a completely new invention, given that a YES vote in 2014 meant instant departure from the EU.
Picked 100 because I've just been watching Pointless.
https://www.gov.scot/publications/study-characteristics-police-recorded-hate-crime-scotland/pages/6/
In @TSE ‘s case, it seems to rise in direct proportion to the Welsh score against England in the rugby
I can't believe people think I am anti Welsh.
I love the sheep botherers, their rugby fans on the other hand.
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Yep, the Venn diagram of those folk and the ones who bellow endlessly about the iniquities of the EU despite us apparently no longer being a member = O.kinabalu said:
There are those for whom the ideal scenario is Scotland getting a good rogering and thus hankering to leave the relationship but being either afraid or unable to do so.Theuniondivvie said:
One recurring airhead PB definition of a Scot is someone coming from a nation of bottlers, apparently referring to Scots who voted no and would again in any indy referendum. Perhaps Unionist Scots with some self respect should consider how some of their fellow Brits look upon them, though I say that more in hope than expectation.Carnyx said:
Perhaps more to the point, "your fellow countrymen" is hopelessly ambiguous. It cane from a PBTory in the middle of a debate about whether the correct designation for the so-called British is, well, British (but as any fule kno that is hopelessly ambiguous in NI and the adjacent parts of Scotland and the correct answer is subject of HMTQ of the UK etc). And the only definition of a Scot in PBToryland is a blood definition (as seen by the constant chorus of demand to allow e.g. Mr Cameron a vote in indyref2).Theuniondivvie said:
You lied about what he said.Leon said:
For once in your PB life you could show a bit of backbone and say a fellow Nat is talking offensive nonsenseTheuniondivvie said:
Bit bored after your fruitless search for flaked Parmesan are you?Leon said:Interesting.
When, say, a Tory like HYUFD comes out with some offensive position - like sending tanks over Hadrian's Wall - his fellow Tories are quite happy to denounce him, and distance themselves
When a Nat like Stuart Dickson comes up with 100% full-fat Powellite Blut Und Boden Scottish ethno-nationalism, his fellow Nats just murmur politely, or say nothing, or quietly tip-toe away, they do not call him out. Loyalty, or cowardice? Perhaps both
I've never known you do it, despite ample opportunities. Here is another chance
Weedy trolling effort - nul points
So Mr Dickson was merely being polite in answering the question in the terms and mindset of the original questioner, and it hardly seems fair to monster him for that. Edit: Someone would complain - and PBTories most certainly do - if one uses a different definition of Scot.
It bodes ill for hopes that barely informed people who don't live in Scotland might feel that they are no longer required to have an opinion on the politics & government of an indy Scotland, and more importantly not obliged to give us the benefit of those opinions. Rather the reverse I fear.1 -
Paul Lever @paul_lever
The future of the Nordstream pipeline was decided in a meeting between Chancellor Merkel and President Biden. The EU was not involved, nor were other member states consulted. Can Germany credibly claim that it favours a common European foreign policy?
https://twitter.com/paul_lever/status/1418972285516587014?s=202 -
Kaboom
Latest net leader approval ratings from tonight's Opinium poll
Johnson NET MINUS 13
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I agree, this isn't a competition, it's a matter of life and death. It would have been good for a combined effort worldwide, as until everyone has it under control, nobody does.alex_ said:
The really ridiculous thing is this latest stuff about the EU vaccine "success". Relative to most of the world the EU has done fine on vaccines. However if the UK had followed the EU vaccine trajectory then we would have had 10s of 000s of more deaths, so on our own terms the UK vaccine drive is a massive success. I do think there is something in the argument that the UK success has helped the EU who have had to raise their game in response. And everyone in the UK should welcome that. A vaccinated Europe is as ultimately as good for us as it is for them. And vice versa.kle4 said:
Are we going to get to a point where we stop trying to score points based on single moments in time, when nations experience waves at different moments? What will you do if in a week that is not the case any longer?Roger said:
No need to worry. We're still comfortably ahead of all the countries in the EU.CarlottaVance said:NEW: UK coronavirus cases
Last Thursday: 48,553
Day before Yesterday: 39,906
Last Friday: 51,870
Yesterday: 36,389
Last Saturday: 54674
Today: 31,795
Something is happening
https://twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/status/1418962798835535873?s=20
Arguments now about the UK being "overtaken" by some countries however are silly. In large part our vaccine programme (given that we are currently not choosing to vaccinate children) is complete. Those who won't get the vaccine are refuseniks. And we are likely to have a lower level of refuseniks than almost all other European countries.2 -
Revised to 'nativist nationalism' for clarity and to avoid blind alleys.MaxPB said:
Does hating the English count as racism? Oh wait in your world no one can be racist towards white people so I guess not.kinabalu said:
Take 100 random SNP voters. Take 100 random English Leave voters. Which group will have the larger racist quotient, do we think?Leon said:
Yes, despite all Carnyx's guff (and how disappointing from the most urbane Nat on here) what Stuart Dickson said is obvious: his "fellow countrymen" are Scots born in Scotland. That's it. Everyone else is not truly Scottish, not a "fellow countryman", and if they don't embrace Scottish independence they are..... God knows what he thinks.Sunil_Prasannan said:
He said this:Carnyx said:
Perhaps more to the point, "your fellow countrymen" is hopelessly ambiguous. It cane from a PBTory in the middle of a debate about whether the correct designation for the so-called British is, well, British (but as any fule kno that is hopelessly ambiguous in NI and the adjacent parts of Scotland and the correct answer is subject of HMTQ of the UK etc). And the only definition of a Scot in PBToryland is a blood definition (as seen by the constant chorus of demand to allow e.g. Mr Cameron a vote in indyref2).Theuniondivvie said:
You lied about what he said.Leon said:
For once in your PB life you could show a bit of backbone and say a fellow Nat is talking offensive nonsenseTheuniondivvie said:
Bit bored after your fruitless search for flaked Parmesan are you?Leon said:Interesting.
When, say, a Tory like HYUFD comes out with some offensive position - like sending tanks over Hadrian's Wall - his fellow Tories are quite happy to denounce him, and distance themselves
When a Nat like Stuart Dickson comes up with 100% full-fat Powellite Blut Und Boden Scottish ethno-nationalism, his fellow Nats just murmur politely, or say nothing, or quietly tip-toe away, they do not call him out. Loyalty, or cowardice? Perhaps both
I've never known you do it, despite ample opportunities. Here is another chance
Weedy trolling effort - nul points
So Mr Dickson was merely being polite in answering the question in the terms and mindset of the original questioner, and it hardly seems fair to monster him for that. You'd complain - and PBTories most certainly do - if one uses a different definition of Scot.
"Max: It must eat away at you that your fellow countrymen bottled it in 2014"
Stuart: Except they didn’t.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/majority-of-scottish-born-voters-said-yes-z7v2mmhc8nt
At the core of Nat ideology is ethnocentricity and anti-Englishness. Twas ever thus. All the rest- from civic Nationalism to pro-EU sentiment - is transient fancy packaging designed to disguise this central and rather unpleasant ethos. We know this because the pro-EU thing is a completely new invention, given that a YES vote in 2014 meant instant departure from the EU.
Picked 100 because I've just been watching Pointless.0 -
No it's not, because it is specifically aimed at the English. I've witnessed it. Dislike of a particular people just because of their nationality. It's racismkinabalu said:
Let's say nativist nationalism instead of racism. More precise and pertinent to the discussion.ydoethur said:
Does anti-English xenophobia count as racism or not?kinabalu said:
Take 100 random SNP voters. Take 100 random English Leave voters. Which group will have the larger racist quotient, do we think?Leon said:
Yes, despite all Carnyx's guff (and how disappointing from the most urbane Nat on here) what Stuart Dickson said is obvious: his "fellow countrymen" are Scots born in Scotland. That's it. Everyone else is not truly Scottish, not a "fellow countryman", and if they don't embrace Scottish independence they are..... God knows what he thinks.Sunil_Prasannan said:
He said this:Carnyx said:
Perhaps more to the point, "your fellow countrymen" is hopelessly ambiguous. It cane from a PBTory in the middle of a debate about whether the correct designation for the so-called British is, well, British (but as any fule kno that is hopelessly ambiguous in NI and the adjacent parts of Scotland and the correct answer is subject of HMTQ of the UK etc). And the only definition of a Scot in PBToryland is a blood definition (as seen by the constant chorus of demand to allow e.g. Mr Cameron a vote in indyref2).Theuniondivvie said:
You lied about what he said.Leon said:
For once in your PB life you could show a bit of backbone and say a fellow Nat is talking offensive nonsenseTheuniondivvie said:
Bit bored after your fruitless search for flaked Parmesan are you?Leon said:Interesting.
When, say, a Tory like HYUFD comes out with some offensive position - like sending tanks over Hadrian's Wall - his fellow Tories are quite happy to denounce him, and distance themselves
When a Nat like Stuart Dickson comes up with 100% full-fat Powellite Blut Und Boden Scottish ethno-nationalism, his fellow Nats just murmur politely, or say nothing, or quietly tip-toe away, they do not call him out. Loyalty, or cowardice? Perhaps both
I've never known you do it, despite ample opportunities. Here is another chance
Weedy trolling effort - nul points
So Mr Dickson was merely being polite in answering the question in the terms and mindset of the original questioner, and it hardly seems fair to monster him for that. You'd complain - and PBTories most certainly do - if one uses a different definition of Scot.
"Max: It must eat away at you that your fellow countrymen bottled it in 2014"
Stuart: Except they didn’t.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/majority-of-scottish-born-voters-said-yes-z7v2mmhc8nt
At the core of Nat ideology is ethnocentricity and anti-Englishness. Twas ever thus. All the rest- from civic Nationalism to pro-EU sentiment - is transient fancy packaging designed to disguise this central and rather unpleasant ethos. We know this because the pro-EU thing is a completely new invention, given that a YES vote in 2014 meant instant departure from the EU.
Picked 100 because I've just been watching Pointless.0 -
It is just like watching England.
So many needless penalties conceded.1 -
It would be ironic if Zoe was right but bottled it.DougSeal said:
Zoe is all over the place at the moment - and I say that as a believer. They changed their methodology on Thursday because they had too many users vaccinated vs unvaccinated. Before that change they showed cases plateauing at about 32,000.rottenborough said:ZOE app is not showing the dip in cases that we are seeing on the PHE dashboard from testing.
Hmmm???
Anyway, FWIW, even with the new methodology Zoe is showing a small drop today.0 -
Bradford can't be worse than Glasgow, surely.MaxPB said:
The weather is shit in the North East of England as well and both Glasgow and Edinburgh are bigger than loads of English regional cities.Carnyx said:
The weather? Distance from major centres of primary settlement?MaxPB said:
I think the question that isn't asked is why Scotland has a lower foreign population. What puts black and Asian people off living there?Aslan said:
That's because Scotland has less of a foreign population as a starting point so lower integration needs, lower population density so less worries about congestion and house prices, and less productive workers, so lower dilution of output per capita from low skilled workers.Carnyx said:
This link, which I found earlier, throws some light on the answer:kinabalu said:
Take 100 random SNP voters. Take 100 random English Leave voters. Which group will have the larger racist quotient, do we think?Leon said:
Yes, despite all Carnyx's guff (and how disappointing from the most urbane Nat on here) what Stuart Dickson said is obvious: his "fellow countrymen" are Scots born in Scotland. That's it. Everyone else is not truly Scottish, not a "fellow countryman", and if they don't embrace Scottish independence they are..... God knows what he thinks.Sunil_Prasannan said:
He said this:Carnyx said:
Perhaps more to the point, "your fellow countrymen" is hopelessly ambiguous. It cane from a PBTory in the middle of a debate about whether the correct designation for the so-called British is, well, British (but as any fule kno that is hopelessly ambiguous in NI and the adjacent parts of Scotland and the correct answer is subject of HMTQ of the UK etc). And the only definition of a Scot in PBToryland is a blood definition (as seen by the constant chorus of demand to allow e.g. Mr Cameron a vote in indyref2).Theuniondivvie said:
You lied about what he said.Leon said:
For once in your PB life you could show a bit of backbone and say a fellow Nat is talking offensive nonsenseTheuniondivvie said:
Bit bored after your fruitless search for flaked Parmesan are you?Leon said:Interesting.
When, say, a Tory like HYUFD comes out with some offensive position - like sending tanks over Hadrian's Wall - his fellow Tories are quite happy to denounce him, and distance themselves
When a Nat like Stuart Dickson comes up with 100% full-fat Powellite Blut Und Boden Scottish ethno-nationalism, his fellow Nats just murmur politely, or say nothing, or quietly tip-toe away, they do not call him out. Loyalty, or cowardice? Perhaps both
I've never known you do it, despite ample opportunities. Here is another chance
Weedy trolling effort - nul points
So Mr Dickson was merely being polite in answering the question in the terms and mindset of the original questioner, and it hardly seems fair to monster him for that. You'd complain - and PBTories most certainly do - if one uses a different definition of Scot.
"Max: It must eat away at you that your fellow countrymen bottled it in 2014"
Stuart: Except they didn’t.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/majority-of-scottish-born-voters-said-yes-z7v2mmhc8nt
At the core of Nat ideology is ethnocentricity and anti-Englishness. Twas ever thus. All the rest- from civic Nationalism to pro-EU sentiment - is transient fancy packaging designed to disguise this central and rather unpleasant ethos. We know this because the pro-EU thing is a completely new invention, given that a YES vote in 2014 meant instant departure from the EU.
Picked 100 because I've just been watching Pointless.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-46457341
I think partly
(a) degree of prosperity at relevant time for BAME immigration - Scotlandwas not doing well and itself saw heavy emigration
(b) ?no specific campaigns to compare with London Transport getting staff from the W Indies (though it did happen on occasion: IIRC there were Guyanese or Windies lumberjacks during the war)
(c) emphassi on heavy industries - eg shipbuilding compared to say textile mills - so different skillsets
(d) possibly any labour shortage was dealt with with the plenty of Irish, POles, Italians, etc. who came up to 1960 or so: though no idea how this compares to rUK.
(e) so fewer 'bridgehead' links with first comers building links with families and villages home (AIUI from a friend who researches this sort of thing in England)
See this abstract - interesting remarks on different nature of immigration
https://www.centreonconstitutionalchange.ac.uk/news-and-opinion/multicultural-scotland
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Have you no tweet ready for the EU cases falling further?CorrectHorseBattery said:Excellent news on the cases
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Everyday Value supplemented by the occasional finest product.DecrepiterJohnL said:
Everyday Value or Tesco Finest?Charles said:FPT
To the extent people care, I shop at Tesco
I don’t often buy from the Basics range1 -
Just wait till they see the Gaelic. Never mind hear it.sarissa said:
The amount of people coming to Scotland fleeing multiculturalism south of the bother?MaxPB said:
I think the question that isn't asked is why Scotland has a lower foreign population. What puts black and Asian people off living there?Aslan said:
That's because Scotland has less of a foreign population as a starting point so lower integration needs, lower population density so less worries about congestion and house prices, and less productive workers, so lower dilution of output per capita from low skilled workers.Carnyx said:
This link, which I found earlier, throws some light on the answer:kinabalu said:
Take 100 random SNP voters. Take 100 random English Leave voters. Which group will have the larger racist quotient, do we think?Leon said:
Yes, despite all Carnyx's guff (and how disappointing from the most urbane Nat on here) what Stuart Dickson said is obvious: his "fellow countrymen" are Scots born in Scotland. That's it. Everyone else is not truly Scottish, not a "fellow countryman", and if they don't embrace Scottish independence they are..... God knows what he thinks.Sunil_Prasannan said:
He said this:Carnyx said:
Perhaps more to the point, "your fellow countrymen" is hopelessly ambiguous. It cane from a PBTory in the middle of a debate about whether the correct designation for the so-called British is, well, British (but as any fule kno that is hopelessly ambiguous in NI and the adjacent parts of Scotland and the correct answer is subject of HMTQ of the UK etc). And the only definition of a Scot in PBToryland is a blood definition (as seen by the constant chorus of demand to allow e.g. Mr Cameron a vote in indyref2).Theuniondivvie said:
You lied about what he said.Leon said:
For once in your PB life you could show a bit of backbone and say a fellow Nat is talking offensive nonsenseTheuniondivvie said:
Bit bored after your fruitless search for flaked Parmesan are you?Leon said:Interesting.
When, say, a Tory like HYUFD comes out with some offensive position - like sending tanks over Hadrian's Wall - his fellow Tories are quite happy to denounce him, and distance themselves
When a Nat like Stuart Dickson comes up with 100% full-fat Powellite Blut Und Boden Scottish ethno-nationalism, his fellow Nats just murmur politely, or say nothing, or quietly tip-toe away, they do not call him out. Loyalty, or cowardice? Perhaps both
I've never known you do it, despite ample opportunities. Here is another chance
Weedy trolling effort - nul points
So Mr Dickson was merely being polite in answering the question in the terms and mindset of the original questioner, and it hardly seems fair to monster him for that. You'd complain - and PBTories most certainly do - if one uses a different definition of Scot.
"Max: It must eat away at you that your fellow countrymen bottled it in 2014"
Stuart: Except they didn’t.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/majority-of-scottish-born-voters-said-yes-z7v2mmhc8nt
At the core of Nat ideology is ethnocentricity and anti-Englishness. Twas ever thus. All the rest- from civic Nationalism to pro-EU sentiment - is transient fancy packaging designed to disguise this central and rather unpleasant ethos. We know this because the pro-EU thing is a completely new invention, given that a YES vote in 2014 meant instant departure from the EU.
Picked 100 because I've just been watching Pointless.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-464573410 -
Up to a point, Lord Copper....
The EU #vaccination campaign has turned into a success story:
#Malta #Denmark & the #Netherlands have now #vaccinated a higher share of their populations with 1 dose of a #Covid19 vaccine than the #UK, the former European frontrunner. 1/3
https://twitter.com/SFischer_EU/status/1418971892820631553?s=20
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Which leads to a discussion on the merits of assimilation and 'community relations'.Malmesbury said:
There is also the clustering effect - if you are Ghanian, say, and move to a small village in the Highlands, it is quite possible that you are the only black person in the area. In London, you are part of the Ghanian community....MaxPB said:
The weather is shit in the North East of England as well and both Glasgow and Edinburgh are bigger than loads of English regional cities.Carnyx said:
The weather? Distance from major centres of primary settlement?MaxPB said:
I think the question that isn't asked is why Scotland has a lower foreign population. What puts black and Asian people off living there?Aslan said:
That's because Scotland has less of a foreign population as a starting point so lower integration needs, lower population density so less worries about congestion and house prices, and less productive workers, so lower dilution of output per capita from low skilled workers.Carnyx said:
This link, which I found earlier, throws some light on the answer:kinabalu said:
Take 100 random SNP voters. Take 100 random English Leave voters. Which group will have the larger racist quotient, do we think?Leon said:
Yes, despite all Carnyx's guff (and how disappointing from the most urbane Nat on here) what Stuart Dickson said is obvious: his "fellow countrymen" are Scots born in Scotland. That's it. Everyone else is not truly Scottish, not a "fellow countryman", and if they don't embrace Scottish independence they are..... God knows what he thinks.Sunil_Prasannan said:
He said this:Carnyx said:
Perhaps more to the point, "your fellow countrymen" is hopelessly ambiguous. It cane from a PBTory in the middle of a debate about whether the correct designation for the so-called British is, well, British (but as any fule kno that is hopelessly ambiguous in NI and the adjacent parts of Scotland and the correct answer is subject of HMTQ of the UK etc). And the only definition of a Scot in PBToryland is a blood definition (as seen by the constant chorus of demand to allow e.g. Mr Cameron a vote in indyref2).Theuniondivvie said:
You lied about what he said.Leon said:
For once in your PB life you could show a bit of backbone and say a fellow Nat is talking offensive nonsenseTheuniondivvie said:
Bit bored after your fruitless search for flaked Parmesan are you?Leon said:Interesting.
When, say, a Tory like HYUFD comes out with some offensive position - like sending tanks over Hadrian's Wall - his fellow Tories are quite happy to denounce him, and distance themselves
When a Nat like Stuart Dickson comes up with 100% full-fat Powellite Blut Und Boden Scottish ethno-nationalism, his fellow Nats just murmur politely, or say nothing, or quietly tip-toe away, they do not call him out. Loyalty, or cowardice? Perhaps both
I've never known you do it, despite ample opportunities. Here is another chance
Weedy trolling effort - nul points
So Mr Dickson was merely being polite in answering the question in the terms and mindset of the original questioner, and it hardly seems fair to monster him for that. You'd complain - and PBTories most certainly do - if one uses a different definition of Scot.
"Max: It must eat away at you that your fellow countrymen bottled it in 2014"
Stuart: Except they didn’t.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/majority-of-scottish-born-voters-said-yes-z7v2mmhc8nt
At the core of Nat ideology is ethnocentricity and anti-Englishness. Twas ever thus. All the rest- from civic Nationalism to pro-EU sentiment - is transient fancy packaging designed to disguise this central and rather unpleasant ethos. We know this because the pro-EU thing is a completely new invention, given that a YES vote in 2014 meant instant departure from the EU.
Picked 100 because I've just been watching Pointless.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-46457341
Do people prefer the 'melting pot' or should we 'celebrate the mosaic' ?0 -
It's a peculiar form of it though because it's not really directed against the other but against the self. People don't like or can't accept the fact that England is an indelible part of their own identity.Leon said:
No it's not, because it is specifically aimed at the English. I've witnessed it. Dislike of a particular people just because of their nationality. It's racismkinabalu said:
Let's say nativist nationalism instead of racism. More precise and pertinent to the discussion.ydoethur said:
Does anti-English xenophobia count as racism or not?kinabalu said:
Take 100 random SNP voters. Take 100 random English Leave voters. Which group will have the larger racist quotient, do we think?Leon said:
Yes, despite all Carnyx's guff (and how disappointing from the most urbane Nat on here) what Stuart Dickson said is obvious: his "fellow countrymen" are Scots born in Scotland. That's it. Everyone else is not truly Scottish, not a "fellow countryman", and if they don't embrace Scottish independence they are..... God knows what he thinks.Sunil_Prasannan said:
He said this:Carnyx said:
Perhaps more to the point, "your fellow countrymen" is hopelessly ambiguous. It cane from a PBTory in the middle of a debate about whether the correct designation for the so-called British is, well, British (but as any fule kno that is hopelessly ambiguous in NI and the adjacent parts of Scotland and the correct answer is subject of HMTQ of the UK etc). And the only definition of a Scot in PBToryland is a blood definition (as seen by the constant chorus of demand to allow e.g. Mr Cameron a vote in indyref2).Theuniondivvie said:
You lied about what he said.Leon said:
For once in your PB life you could show a bit of backbone and say a fellow Nat is talking offensive nonsenseTheuniondivvie said:
Bit bored after your fruitless search for flaked Parmesan are you?Leon said:Interesting.
When, say, a Tory like HYUFD comes out with some offensive position - like sending tanks over Hadrian's Wall - his fellow Tories are quite happy to denounce him, and distance themselves
When a Nat like Stuart Dickson comes up with 100% full-fat Powellite Blut Und Boden Scottish ethno-nationalism, his fellow Nats just murmur politely, or say nothing, or quietly tip-toe away, they do not call him out. Loyalty, or cowardice? Perhaps both
I've never known you do it, despite ample opportunities. Here is another chance
Weedy trolling effort - nul points
So Mr Dickson was merely being polite in answering the question in the terms and mindset of the original questioner, and it hardly seems fair to monster him for that. You'd complain - and PBTories most certainly do - if one uses a different definition of Scot.
"Max: It must eat away at you that your fellow countrymen bottled it in 2014"
Stuart: Except they didn’t.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/majority-of-scottish-born-voters-said-yes-z7v2mmhc8nt
At the core of Nat ideology is ethnocentricity and anti-Englishness. Twas ever thus. All the rest- from civic Nationalism to pro-EU sentiment - is transient fancy packaging designed to disguise this central and rather unpleasant ethos. We know this because the pro-EU thing is a completely new invention, given that a YES vote in 2014 meant instant departure from the EU.
Picked 100 because I've just been watching Pointless.0 -
How might that work in practice, if the bank is not registered in Scotland, comes under jurisdiction of the BoE and FCA? A fall in the Groat could trigger huge problems for the credit ratings of UK banks.Charles said:
You’d do it by law. Both debts and assets converted. Otherwise it would be a messSandpit said:
Indeed. But it won’t be up to the Scottish government, it will be up to the banks.Charles said:
If you were the Scottish government wouldn’t you want it the other way round?Sandpit said:
That’s hillarious. It’ll be savings redenominated automatically into Groats, and mortgages kept in Sterling - unless they want to see what happens when hundreds of billions of Groats get sold to buy Sterling on I-Day?Leon said:Can any of our Nat friends talk us through this exposition of the currency issue in indy Scotland?
This guy, a professional, er, mapmaker - but also "Convener of the Scottish Currency Group", has handily sketched out how the new Scottish pound will be established, and how the move from sterling will work. It includes gems like this:
https://twitter.com/RideoutTim/status/1418627474175533059?s=20
"Your bank will contact you near the time and ask if you would like to re-mortgage into the S£, or take out new S£ credit cards and loans. The banks, Scottish Government and the Scottish Reserve Bank will run an information campaign."
So that's a doddle then. As someone on Twitter points out, there are 900,000 Scottish mortgage holders who need to be "contacted" and given advice on "remortgaging into the S£."
That's quite a long chat. Say two hours per mortgage?
900,000 x 2 hours is 1.8m hours which is 200 years, add in working hours and holidays it's more like 800-1000 years. If the banks get it together and have 100 dedicated teams working flat out on just this, day in day out, they could easily get in done in eight decades
Savings in hard currency, borrowings in the depreciating currency
You definitely don’t want people having foreign currency mortgages otherwise you end up like Hungary with all those CHF mortgages a few years ago0 -
Bloody Welshman Dan Biggar.
Why do we even let the Welsh play for the Lions?0 -
Could change very rapidly though. All the news at the moment is about "pingdemic" and every news report is referring to "cases soaring" (just as we pass "freedom" day that people are nervous about, even claim to be opposed to).CorrectHorseBattery said:
I don't think the dramatic fall in reported cases since Monday has entered the public consciousness at all.1 -
One never knows wedder* to take suich films entirely seriously.ydoethur said:
You’re just trying to ram it home.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Ewe must be joking!TheScreamingEagles said:
Dan Biggar is wonderful.kle4 said:
The Welsh are great, they know their plac....no, stop it, bad kle4!ydoethur said:
Well, not being Welsh you’ve probably never been on the receiving end of it.Carnyx said:
Course it does. As does anti-Irish racism/sectarianism (probably counts as anti-RCism actually though the two are obviously easily conflated). (though, come to thinl of it, I can't think of anti-Welsh racism as an issue: it must exist, at least in theory).ydoethur said:
Does anti-English xenophobia count as racism or not?kinabalu said:
Take 100 random SNP voters. Take 100 random English Leave voters. Which group will have the larger racist quotient, do we think?Leon said:
Yes, despite all Carnyx's guff (and how disappointing from the most urbane Nat on here) what Stuart Dickson said is obvious: his "fellow countrymen" are Scots born in Scotland. That's it. Everyone else is not truly Scottish, not a "fellow countryman", and if they don't embrace Scottish independence they are..... God knows what he thinks.Sunil_Prasannan said:
He said this:Carnyx said:
Perhaps more to the point, "your fellow countrymen" is hopelessly ambiguous. It cane from a PBTory in the middle of a debate about whether the correct designation for the so-called British is, well, British (but as any fule kno that is hopelessly ambiguous in NI and the adjacent parts of Scotland and the correct answer is subject of HMTQ of the UK etc). And the only definition of a Scot in PBToryland is a blood definition (as seen by the constant chorus of demand to allow e.g. Mr Cameron a vote in indyref2).Theuniondivvie said:
You lied about what he said.Leon said:
For once in your PB life you could show a bit of backbone and say a fellow Nat is talking offensive nonsenseTheuniondivvie said:
Bit bored after your fruitless search for flaked Parmesan are you?Leon said:Interesting.
When, say, a Tory like HYUFD comes out with some offensive position - like sending tanks over Hadrian's Wall - his fellow Tories are quite happy to denounce him, and distance themselves
When a Nat like Stuart Dickson comes up with 100% full-fat Powellite Blut Und Boden Scottish ethno-nationalism, his fellow Nats just murmur politely, or say nothing, or quietly tip-toe away, they do not call him out. Loyalty, or cowardice? Perhaps both
I've never known you do it, despite ample opportunities. Here is another chance
Weedy trolling effort - nul points
So Mr Dickson was merely being polite in answering the question in the terms and mindset of the original questioner, and it hardly seems fair to monster him for that. You'd complain - and PBTories most certainly do - if one uses a different definition of Scot.
"Max: It must eat away at you that your fellow countrymen bottled it in 2014"
Stuart: Except they didn’t.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/majority-of-scottish-born-voters-said-yes-z7v2mmhc8nt
At the core of Nat ideology is ethnocentricity and anti-Englishness. Twas ever thus. All the rest- from civic Nationalism to pro-EU sentiment - is transient fancy packaging designed to disguise this central and rather unpleasant ethos. We know this because the pro-EU thing is a completely new invention, given that a YES vote in 2014 meant instant departure from the EU.
Picked 100 because I've just been watching Pointless.
https://www.gov.scot/publications/study-characteristics-police-recorded-hate-crime-scotland/pages/6/
In @TSE ‘s case, it seems to rise in direct proportion to the Welsh score against England in the rugby
I can't believe people think I am anti Welsh.
I love the sheep botherers, their rugby fans on the other hand.
https://youtu.be/iiafi_-L644
* *checks* Or wether. To taste.0 -
Is 'barely informed people' a synonym for 'people I disagree with' ?Theuniondivvie said:
Yep, the Venn diagram of those folk and the ones who bellow endlessly about the iniquities of the EU despite us apparently no longer being a member = O.kinabalu said:
There are those for whom the ideal scenario is Scotland getting a good rogering and thus hankering to leave the relationship but being either afraid or unable to do so.Theuniondivvie said:
One recurring airhead PB definition of a Scot is someone coming from a nation of bottlers, apparently referring to Scots who voted no and would again in any indy referendum. Perhaps Unionist Scots with some self respect should consider how some of their fellow Brits look upon them, though I say that more in hope than expectation.Carnyx said:
Perhaps more to the point, "your fellow countrymen" is hopelessly ambiguous. It cane from a PBTory in the middle of a debate about whether the correct designation for the so-called British is, well, British (but as any fule kno that is hopelessly ambiguous in NI and the adjacent parts of Scotland and the correct answer is subject of HMTQ of the UK etc). And the only definition of a Scot in PBToryland is a blood definition (as seen by the constant chorus of demand to allow e.g. Mr Cameron a vote in indyref2).Theuniondivvie said:
You lied about what he said.Leon said:
For once in your PB life you could show a bit of backbone and say a fellow Nat is talking offensive nonsenseTheuniondivvie said:
Bit bored after your fruitless search for flaked Parmesan are you?Leon said:Interesting.
When, say, a Tory like HYUFD comes out with some offensive position - like sending tanks over Hadrian's Wall - his fellow Tories are quite happy to denounce him, and distance themselves
When a Nat like Stuart Dickson comes up with 100% full-fat Powellite Blut Und Boden Scottish ethno-nationalism, his fellow Nats just murmur politely, or say nothing, or quietly tip-toe away, they do not call him out. Loyalty, or cowardice? Perhaps both
I've never known you do it, despite ample opportunities. Here is another chance
Weedy trolling effort - nul points
So Mr Dickson was merely being polite in answering the question in the terms and mindset of the original questioner, and it hardly seems fair to monster him for that. Edit: Someone would complain - and PBTories most certainly do - if one uses a different definition of Scot.
It bodes ill for hopes that barely informed people who don't live in Scotland might feel that they are no longer required to have an opinion on the politics & government of an indy Scotland, and more importantly not obliged to give us the benefit of those opinions. Rather the reverse I fear.
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The Lions is like having four kids, three of whom viscerally hate the fourth (the English) but the parents forcing them to play nice with each other.TheScreamingEagles said:Bloody Welshman Dan Biggar.
Why do we even let the Welsh play for the Lions?2 -
I think spain will follow a similar trajectory to the UK in 3-5 weeks time - as anyone with half a brain ncell would realise - explains Roger's stupidity - although his general nastiness and self-loathing of his heritage is quite another matter.DougSeal said:
Bullshit. Spain had 31,000 cases yesterday and rising,Roger said:
No need to worry. We're still comfortably ahead of all the countries in the EU.CarlottaVance said:NEW: UK coronavirus cases
Last Thursday: 48,553
Day before Yesterday: 39,906
Last Friday: 51,870
Yesterday: 36,389
Last Saturday: 54674
Today: 31,795
Something is happening
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Yes, it is quite a distinct and complex brand. But I feel sure that if this reflexive dislike and abhorrence was thrown by some of the English at someone else kinabalu would have no trouble calling it "racist".williamglenn said:
It's a peculiar form of it though because it's not really directed against the other but against the self. People don't like or can't accept the fact that England is an indelible part of their own identity.Leon said:
No it's not, because it is specifically aimed at the English. I've witnessed it. Dislike of a particular people just because of their nationality. It's racismkinabalu said:
Let's say nativist nationalism instead of racism. More precise and pertinent to the discussion.ydoethur said:
Does anti-English xenophobia count as racism or not?kinabalu said:
Take 100 random SNP voters. Take 100 random English Leave voters. Which group will have the larger racist quotient, do we think?Leon said:
Yes, despite all Carnyx's guff (and how disappointing from the most urbane Nat on here) what Stuart Dickson said is obvious: his "fellow countrymen" are Scots born in Scotland. That's it. Everyone else is not truly Scottish, not a "fellow countryman", and if they don't embrace Scottish independence they are..... God knows what he thinks.Sunil_Prasannan said:
He said this:Carnyx said:
Perhaps more to the point, "your fellow countrymen" is hopelessly ambiguous. It cane from a PBTory in the middle of a debate about whether the correct designation for the so-called British is, well, British (but as any fule kno that is hopelessly ambiguous in NI and the adjacent parts of Scotland and the correct answer is subject of HMTQ of the UK etc). And the only definition of a Scot in PBToryland is a blood definition (as seen by the constant chorus of demand to allow e.g. Mr Cameron a vote in indyref2).Theuniondivvie said:
You lied about what he said.Leon said:
For once in your PB life you could show a bit of backbone and say a fellow Nat is talking offensive nonsenseTheuniondivvie said:
Bit bored after your fruitless search for flaked Parmesan are you?Leon said:Interesting.
When, say, a Tory like HYUFD comes out with some offensive position - like sending tanks over Hadrian's Wall - his fellow Tories are quite happy to denounce him, and distance themselves
When a Nat like Stuart Dickson comes up with 100% full-fat Powellite Blut Und Boden Scottish ethno-nationalism, his fellow Nats just murmur politely, or say nothing, or quietly tip-toe away, they do not call him out. Loyalty, or cowardice? Perhaps both
I've never known you do it, despite ample opportunities. Here is another chance
Weedy trolling effort - nul points
So Mr Dickson was merely being polite in answering the question in the terms and mindset of the original questioner, and it hardly seems fair to monster him for that. You'd complain - and PBTories most certainly do - if one uses a different definition of Scot.
"Max: It must eat away at you that your fellow countrymen bottled it in 2014"
Stuart: Except they didn’t.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/majority-of-scottish-born-voters-said-yes-z7v2mmhc8nt
At the core of Nat ideology is ethnocentricity and anti-Englishness. Twas ever thus. All the rest- from civic Nationalism to pro-EU sentiment - is transient fancy packaging designed to disguise this central and rather unpleasant ethos. We know this because the pro-EU thing is a completely new invention, given that a YES vote in 2014 meant instant departure from the EU.
Picked 100 because I've just been watching Pointless.
Anyway I have hopes this bitter Scottish prickliness will in time melt away. The SNP can't remain in power forever, stoking grievance
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On the other hand, there's thre women's footie, with three captains, one English, one Scottish, one Welsh, and presiumably doing none the worse for that structure.DougSeal said:
The Lions is like having four kids, three of whom viscerally hate the fourth (the English) but the parents forcing them to play nice with each other.TheScreamingEagles said:Bloody Welshman Dan Biggar.
Why do we even let the Welsh play for the Lions?0 -
The Government need to put that in a press release. It might make people feel better about the 'accusations' (probably accurate, but actually based on not ridiculous science) that they are trying to get 'as many people infected as possible'...Sandpit said:0 -
It's hilarious that we constantly hear that the UK is irrelevant, yet EU diplomats and media figures do nothing but tweet about us.CarlottaVance said:Up to a point, Lord Copper....
The EU #vaccination campaign has turned into a success story:
#Malta #Denmark & the #Netherlands have now #vaccinated a higher share of their populations with 1 dose of a #Covid19 vaccine than the #UK, the former European frontrunner. 1/3
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No change from Opinium, boring!0
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The latest voting numbers from Opinium see no change though the other findings are poor for Johnson
https://twitter.com/MSmithsonPB/status/1418975502610612227?s=201 -
It is driven purely and simply by hatred because Britain left the EU. There is a large chunk of 'liberal' England especially that will never come to terms with the fact that a majority chose to ignore the guidance of the 'wise'.alex_ said:
The really ridiculous thing is this latest stuff about the EU vaccine "success". Relative to most of the world the EU has done fine on vaccines. However if the UK had followed the EU vaccine trajectory then we would have had 10s of 000s of more deaths, so on our own terms the UK vaccine drive is a massive success. I do think there is something in the argument that the UK success has helped the EU who have had to raise their game in response. And everyone in the UK should welcome that. A vaccinated Europe is as ultimately as good for us as it is for them. And vice versa.kle4 said:
Are we going to get to a point where we stop trying to score points based on single moments in time, when nations experience waves at different moments? What will you do if in a week that is not the case any longer?Roger said:
No need to worry. We're still comfortably ahead of all the countries in the EU.CarlottaVance said:NEW: UK coronavirus cases
Last Thursday: 48,553
Day before Yesterday: 39,906
Last Friday: 51,870
Yesterday: 36,389
Last Saturday: 54674
Today: 31,795
Something is happening
https://twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/status/1418962798835535873?s=20
Arguments now about the UK being "overtaken" by some countries however are silly. In large part our vaccine programme (given that we are currently not choosing to vaccinate children) is complete. Those who won't get the vaccine are refuseniks. And we are likely to have a lower level of refuseniks than almost all other European countries.1 -
Yes that's not incorrect. So who's more racist and/or nativist nationalist then? Our 100 SNPers or our 100 England dwelling Leavers?Leon said:
No it's not, because it is specifically aimed at the English. I've witnessed it. Dislike of a particular people just because of their nationality. It's racismkinabalu said:
Let's say nativist nationalism instead of racism. More precise and pertinent to the discussion.ydoethur said:
Does anti-English xenophobia count as racism or not?kinabalu said:
Take 100 random SNP voters. Take 100 random English Leave voters. Which group will have the larger racist quotient, do we think?Leon said:
Yes, despite all Carnyx's guff (and how disappointing from the most urbane Nat on here) what Stuart Dickson said is obvious: his "fellow countrymen" are Scots born in Scotland. That's it. Everyone else is not truly Scottish, not a "fellow countryman", and if they don't embrace Scottish independence they are..... God knows what he thinks.Sunil_Prasannan said:
He said this:Carnyx said:
Perhaps more to the point, "your fellow countrymen" is hopelessly ambiguous. It cane from a PBTory in the middle of a debate about whether the correct designation for the so-called British is, well, British (but as any fule kno that is hopelessly ambiguous in NI and the adjacent parts of Scotland and the correct answer is subject of HMTQ of the UK etc). And the only definition of a Scot in PBToryland is a blood definition (as seen by the constant chorus of demand to allow e.g. Mr Cameron a vote in indyref2).Theuniondivvie said:
You lied about what he said.Leon said:
For once in your PB life you could show a bit of backbone and say a fellow Nat is talking offensive nonsenseTheuniondivvie said:
Bit bored after your fruitless search for flaked Parmesan are you?Leon said:Interesting.
When, say, a Tory like HYUFD comes out with some offensive position - like sending tanks over Hadrian's Wall - his fellow Tories are quite happy to denounce him, and distance themselves
When a Nat like Stuart Dickson comes up with 100% full-fat Powellite Blut Und Boden Scottish ethno-nationalism, his fellow Nats just murmur politely, or say nothing, or quietly tip-toe away, they do not call him out. Loyalty, or cowardice? Perhaps both
I've never known you do it, despite ample opportunities. Here is another chance
Weedy trolling effort - nul points
So Mr Dickson was merely being polite in answering the question in the terms and mindset of the original questioner, and it hardly seems fair to monster him for that. You'd complain - and PBTories most certainly do - if one uses a different definition of Scot.
"Max: It must eat away at you that your fellow countrymen bottled it in 2014"
Stuart: Except they didn’t.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/majority-of-scottish-born-voters-said-yes-z7v2mmhc8nt
At the core of Nat ideology is ethnocentricity and anti-Englishness. Twas ever thus. All the rest- from civic Nationalism to pro-EU sentiment - is transient fancy packaging designed to disguise this central and rather unpleasant ethos. We know this because the pro-EU thing is a completely new invention, given that a YES vote in 2014 meant instant departure from the EU.
Picked 100 because I've just been watching Pointless.
It's a serious non trick question. I'm not doing the barrister thing where I already have the answer.0 -
Daly was very unlucky there unlike Biggar.DougSeal said:
The Lions is like having four kids, three of whom viscerally hate the fourth (the English) but the parents forcing them to play nice with each other.TheScreamingEagles said:Bloody Welshman Dan Biggar.
Why do we even let the Welsh play for the Lions?0 -
Many moons ago I was on a hiking trip in the far northwest - near Sandwood Bay. I had a little Walkman-style radio with me, and the only station I could get one morning was in Gaelic. I listened anyway, feeling somewhat lonely, and in what was obviously the news segment, the name 'Pim Fortuyn' kept on coming up.Carnyx said:
Just wait till they see the Gaelic. Never mind hear it.sarissa said:
The amount of people coming to Scotland fleeing multiculturalism south of the bother?MaxPB said:
I think the question that isn't asked is why Scotland has a lower foreign population. What puts black and Asian people off living there?Aslan said:
That's because Scotland has less of a foreign population as a starting point so lower integration needs, lower population density so less worries about congestion and house prices, and less productive workers, so lower dilution of output per capita from low skilled workers.Carnyx said:
This link, which I found earlier, throws some light on the answer:kinabalu said:
Take 100 random SNP voters. Take 100 random English Leave voters. Which group will have the larger racist quotient, do we think?Leon said:
Yes, despite all Carnyx's guff (and how disappointing from the most urbane Nat on here) what Stuart Dickson said is obvious: his "fellow countrymen" are Scots born in Scotland. That's it. Everyone else is not truly Scottish, not a "fellow countryman", and if they don't embrace Scottish independence they are..... God knows what he thinks.Sunil_Prasannan said:
He said this:Carnyx said:
Perhaps more to the point, "your fellow countrymen" is hopelessly ambiguous. It cane from a PBTory in the middle of a debate about whether the correct designation for the so-called British is, well, British (but as any fule kno that is hopelessly ambiguous in NI and the adjacent parts of Scotland and the correct answer is subject of HMTQ of the UK etc). And the only definition of a Scot in PBToryland is a blood definition (as seen by the constant chorus of demand to allow e.g. Mr Cameron a vote in indyref2).Theuniondivvie said:
You lied about what he said.Leon said:
For once in your PB life you could show a bit of backbone and say a fellow Nat is talking offensive nonsenseTheuniondivvie said:
Bit bored after your fruitless search for flaked Parmesan are you?Leon said:Interesting.
When, say, a Tory like HYUFD comes out with some offensive position - like sending tanks over Hadrian's Wall - his fellow Tories are quite happy to denounce him, and distance themselves
When a Nat like Stuart Dickson comes up with 100% full-fat Powellite Blut Und Boden Scottish ethno-nationalism, his fellow Nats just murmur politely, or say nothing, or quietly tip-toe away, they do not call him out. Loyalty, or cowardice? Perhaps both
I've never known you do it, despite ample opportunities. Here is another chance
Weedy trolling effort - nul points
So Mr Dickson was merely being polite in answering the question in the terms and mindset of the original questioner, and it hardly seems fair to monster him for that. You'd complain - and PBTories most certainly do - if one uses a different definition of Scot.
"Max: It must eat away at you that your fellow countrymen bottled it in 2014"
Stuart: Except they didn’t.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/majority-of-scottish-born-voters-said-yes-z7v2mmhc8nt
At the core of Nat ideology is ethnocentricity and anti-Englishness. Twas ever thus. All the rest- from civic Nationalism to pro-EU sentiment - is transient fancy packaging designed to disguise this central and rather unpleasant ethos. We know this because the pro-EU thing is a completely new invention, given that a YES vote in 2014 meant instant departure from the EU.
Picked 100 because I've just been watching Pointless.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-46457341
I had to wait until I received a station in English to find out why a Gaelic station was mentioning a Dutch politician. It was the day after he was assassinated.1 -
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Jilted ex. Honestly, it's just sad.williamglenn said:
It's hilarious that we constantly hear that the UK is irrelevant, yet EU diplomats and media figures do nothing but tweet about us.CarlottaVance said:Up to a point, Lord Copper....
The EU #vaccination campaign has turned into a success story:
#Malta #Denmark & the #Netherlands have now #vaccinated a higher share of their populations with 1 dose of a #Covid19 vaccine than the #UK, the former European frontrunner. 1/3
https://twitter.com/SFischer_EU/status/1418971892820631553?s=201 -
Politics is so strange. The initial Government reaction to the pandemic can be credibly claimed to have cost thousands of lives. The public reaction? "Fine, carry on." If we as individuals cause even one death by carelessness, we risk a prison sentence. Now there's been a bit of a shambolic relaxation as the pandemic declines. The public reaction? "The Government is a disaster!"CorrectHorseBattery said:
Two posisibilities:
1. The stones-in-a-lake theory. Bad impressions accumulate, apparently having no effect, but eventually they accumulate and break surface.
2. The "rules don't apply to us" thing really damaged Johnson, in exactly the same eway that Barnards Castle cut through for Cummings. People forgive mistakes, but not hypocrisy?
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The "competition" angle was always largely in their heads anyway. I can't recall offhand any examples of UK government ministers ever making much of a thing about the vaccines from a UK vs EU thing.williamglenn said:
It's hilarious that we constantly hear that the UK is irrelevant, yet EU diplomats and media figures do nothing but tweet about us.CarlottaVance said:Up to a point, Lord Copper....
The EU #vaccination campaign has turned into a success story:
#Malta #Denmark & the #Netherlands have now #vaccinated a higher share of their populations with 1 dose of a #Covid19 vaccine than the #UK, the former European frontrunner. 1/3
https://twitter.com/SFischer_EU/status/1418971892820631553?s=201 -
Fintan O’Toole being a case in point.williamglenn said:
It's hilarious that we constantly hear that the UK is irrelevant, yet EU diplomats and media figures do nothing but tweet about us.CarlottaVance said:Up to a point, Lord Copper....
The EU #vaccination campaign has turned into a success story:
#Malta #Denmark & the #Netherlands have now #vaccinated a higher share of their populations with 1 dose of a #Covid19 vaccine than the #UK, the former European frontrunner. 1/3
https://twitter.com/SFischer_EU/status/1418971892820631553?s=201 -
Not just nutters in London:
Some covid protestors could be heard shouting "arrest Mark Drakeford" outside the First Minister's home.
Andrew RT Davies, leader of the Welsh Conservative opposition, said he was "disturbed" by the scenes and that "harassment is never acceptable."
https://twitter.com/ITVWales/status/1418972861142872067?s=200 -
A bit of a surprise but Boris has had a dreadful 10 daysCarlottaVance said:The latest voting numbers from Opinium see no change though the other findings are poor for Johnson
https://twitter.com/MSmithsonPB/status/1418975502610612227?s=200 -
Does Big_G have an alibi?CarlottaVance said:Not just nutters in London:
Some covid protestors could be heard shouting "arrest Mark Drakeford" outside the First Minister's home.
Andrew RT Davies, leader of the Welsh Conservative opposition, said he was "disturbed" by the scenes and that "harassment is never acceptable."
https://twitter.com/ITVWales/status/1418972861142872067?s=203 -
I would say there is more anti-English sentiment openly expressed in Nat circles than openly racist sentiment in "Leaver circles" - whatever the latter might bekinabalu said:
Yes that's not incorrect. So who's more racist and/or nativist nationalist then? Our 100 SNPers or our 100 England dwelling Leavers?Leon said:
No it's not, because it is specifically aimed at the English. I've witnessed it. Dislike of a particular people just because of their nationality. It's racismkinabalu said:
Let's say nativist nationalism instead of racism. More precise and pertinent to the discussion.ydoethur said:
Does anti-English xenophobia count as racism or not?kinabalu said:
Take 100 random SNP voters. Take 100 random English Leave voters. Which group will have the larger racist quotient, do we think?Leon said:
Yes, despite all Carnyx's guff (and how disappointing from the most urbane Nat on here) what Stuart Dickson said is obvious: his "fellow countrymen" are Scots born in Scotland. That's it. Everyone else is not truly Scottish, not a "fellow countryman", and if they don't embrace Scottish independence they are..... God knows what he thinks.Sunil_Prasannan said:
He said this:Carnyx said:
Perhaps more to the point, "your fellow countrymen" is hopelessly ambiguous. It cane from a PBTory in the middle of a debate about whether the correct designation for the so-called British is, well, British (but as any fule kno that is hopelessly ambiguous in NI and the adjacent parts of Scotland and the correct answer is subject of HMTQ of the UK etc). And the only definition of a Scot in PBToryland is a blood definition (as seen by the constant chorus of demand to allow e.g. Mr Cameron a vote in indyref2).Theuniondivvie said:
You lied about what he said.Leon said:
For once in your PB life you could show a bit of backbone and say a fellow Nat is talking offensive nonsenseTheuniondivvie said:
Bit bored after your fruitless search for flaked Parmesan are you?Leon said:Interesting.
When, say, a Tory like HYUFD comes out with some offensive position - like sending tanks over Hadrian's Wall - his fellow Tories are quite happy to denounce him, and distance themselves
When a Nat like Stuart Dickson comes up with 100% full-fat Powellite Blut Und Boden Scottish ethno-nationalism, his fellow Nats just murmur politely, or say nothing, or quietly tip-toe away, they do not call him out. Loyalty, or cowardice? Perhaps both
I've never known you do it, despite ample opportunities. Here is another chance
Weedy trolling effort - nul points
So Mr Dickson was merely being polite in answering the question in the terms and mindset of the original questioner, and it hardly seems fair to monster him for that. You'd complain - and PBTories most certainly do - if one uses a different definition of Scot.
"Max: It must eat away at you that your fellow countrymen bottled it in 2014"
Stuart: Except they didn’t.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/majority-of-scottish-born-voters-said-yes-z7v2mmhc8nt
At the core of Nat ideology is ethnocentricity and anti-Englishness. Twas ever thus. All the rest- from civic Nationalism to pro-EU sentiment - is transient fancy packaging designed to disguise this central and rather unpleasant ethos. We know this because the pro-EU thing is a completely new invention, given that a YES vote in 2014 meant instant departure from the EU.
Picked 100 because I've just been watching Pointless.
It's a serious non trick question. I'm not doing the barrister thing where I already have the answer.
That might just be because "racism" in England is socially so unacceptable, whereas "Anglophobia" is still quasi-tolerated up north?
Who knows. Hard to measure and understand these things
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I'm impressed you knew who he was!JosiasJessop said:
Many moons ago I was on a hiking trip in the far northwest - near Sandwood Bay. I had a little Walkman-style radio with me, and the only station I could get one morning was in Gaelic. I listened anyway, feeling somewhat lonely, and in what was obviously the news segment, the name 'Pim Fortuyn' kept on coming up.Carnyx said:
Just wait till they see the Gaelic. Never mind hear it.sarissa said:
The amount of people coming to Scotland fleeing multiculturalism south of the bother?MaxPB said:
I think the question that isn't asked is why Scotland has a lower foreign population. What puts black and Asian people off living there?Aslan said:
That's because Scotland has less of a foreign population as a starting point so lower integration needs, lower population density so less worries about congestion and house prices, and less productive workers, so lower dilution of output per capita from low skilled workers.Carnyx said:
This link, which I found earlier, throws some light on the answer:kinabalu said:
Take 100 random SNP voters. Take 100 random English Leave voters. Which group will have the larger racist quotient, do we think?Leon said:
Yes, despite all Carnyx's guff (and how disappointing from the most urbane Nat on here) what Stuart Dickson said is obvious: his "fellow countrymen" are Scots born in Scotland. That's it. Everyone else is not truly Scottish, not a "fellow countryman", and if they don't embrace Scottish independence they are..... God knows what he thinks.Sunil_Prasannan said:
He said this:Carnyx said:
Perhaps more to the point, "your fellow countrymen" is hopelessly ambiguous. It cane from a PBTory in the middle of a debate about whether the correct designation for the so-called British is, well, British (but as any fule kno that is hopelessly ambiguous in NI and the adjacent parts of Scotland and the correct answer is subject of HMTQ of the UK etc). And the only definition of a Scot in PBToryland is a blood definition (as seen by the constant chorus of demand to allow e.g. Mr Cameron a vote in indyref2).Theuniondivvie said:
You lied about what he said.Leon said:
For once in your PB life you could show a bit of backbone and say a fellow Nat is talking offensive nonsenseTheuniondivvie said:
Bit bored after your fruitless search for flaked Parmesan are you?Leon said:Interesting.
When, say, a Tory like HYUFD comes out with some offensive position - like sending tanks over Hadrian's Wall - his fellow Tories are quite happy to denounce him, and distance themselves
When a Nat like Stuart Dickson comes up with 100% full-fat Powellite Blut Und Boden Scottish ethno-nationalism, his fellow Nats just murmur politely, or say nothing, or quietly tip-toe away, they do not call him out. Loyalty, or cowardice? Perhaps both
I've never known you do it, despite ample opportunities. Here is another chance
Weedy trolling effort - nul points
So Mr Dickson was merely being polite in answering the question in the terms and mindset of the original questioner, and it hardly seems fair to monster him for that. You'd complain - and PBTories most certainly do - if one uses a different definition of Scot.
"Max: It must eat away at you that your fellow countrymen bottled it in 2014"
Stuart: Except they didn’t.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/majority-of-scottish-born-voters-said-yes-z7v2mmhc8nt
At the core of Nat ideology is ethnocentricity and anti-Englishness. Twas ever thus. All the rest- from civic Nationalism to pro-EU sentiment - is transient fancy packaging designed to disguise this central and rather unpleasant ethos. We know this because the pro-EU thing is a completely new invention, given that a YES vote in 2014 meant instant departure from the EU.
Picked 100 because I've just been watching Pointless.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-46457341
I had to wait until I received a station in English to find out why a Gaelic station was mentioning a Dutch politician. It was the day after he was assassinated.
A friend of mine recently told me about a Cornish business which advertises solely in Cornish on the local Tv or radio - of course most can't understand it but for the oocastional words 'Trelawney Supermarkets' (or whatever it is called) and 'vanilla ice cream' (ditto) which pop out, no doubt carefully. Apparently very suiccessful.1 -
A Taff expert opineskle4 said:
The Welsh are great, they know their plac....no, stop it, bad kle4!ydoethur said:
Well, not being Welsh you’ve probably never been on the receiving end of it.Carnyx said:
Course it does. As does anti-Irish racism/sectarianism (probably counts as anti-RCism actually though the two are obviously easily conflated). (though, come to thinl of it, I can't think of anti-Welsh racism as an issue: it must exist, at least in theory).ydoethur said:
Does anti-English xenophobia count as racism or not?kinabalu said:
Take 100 random SNP voters. Take 100 random English Leave voters. Which group will have the larger racist quotient, do we think?Leon said:
Yes, despite all Carnyx's guff (and how disappointing from the most urbane Nat on here) what Stuart Dickson said is obvious: his "fellow countrymen" are Scots born in Scotland. That's it. Everyone else is not truly Scottish, not a "fellow countryman", and if they don't embrace Scottish independence they are..... God knows what he thinks.Sunil_Prasannan said:
He said this:Carnyx said:
Perhaps more to the point, "your fellow countrymen" is hopelessly ambiguous. It cane from a PBTory in the middle of a debate about whether the correct designation for the so-called British is, well, British (but as any fule kno that is hopelessly ambiguous in NI and the adjacent parts of Scotland and the correct answer is subject of HMTQ of the UK etc). And the only definition of a Scot in PBToryland is a blood definition (as seen by the constant chorus of demand to allow e.g. Mr Cameron a vote in indyref2).Theuniondivvie said:
You lied about what he said.Leon said:
For once in your PB life you could show a bit of backbone and say a fellow Nat is talking offensive nonsenseTheuniondivvie said:
Bit bored after your fruitless search for flaked Parmesan are you?Leon said:Interesting.
When, say, a Tory like HYUFD comes out with some offensive position - like sending tanks over Hadrian's Wall - his fellow Tories are quite happy to denounce him, and distance themselves
When a Nat like Stuart Dickson comes up with 100% full-fat Powellite Blut Und Boden Scottish ethno-nationalism, his fellow Nats just murmur politely, or say nothing, or quietly tip-toe away, they do not call him out. Loyalty, or cowardice? Perhaps both
I've never known you do it, despite ample opportunities. Here is another chance
Weedy trolling effort - nul points
So Mr Dickson was merely being polite in answering the question in the terms and mindset of the original questioner, and it hardly seems fair to monster him for that. You'd complain - and PBTories most certainly do - if one uses a different definition of Scot.
"Max: It must eat away at you that your fellow countrymen bottled it in 2014"
Stuart: Except they didn’t.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/majority-of-scottish-born-voters-said-yes-z7v2mmhc8nt
At the core of Nat ideology is ethnocentricity and anti-Englishness. Twas ever thus. All the rest- from civic Nationalism to pro-EU sentiment - is transient fancy packaging designed to disguise this central and rather unpleasant ethos. We know this because the pro-EU thing is a completely new invention, given that a YES vote in 2014 meant instant departure from the EU.
Picked 100 because I've just been watching Pointless.
https://www.gov.scot/publications/study-characteristics-police-recorded-hate-crime-scotland/pages/6/
In @TSE ‘s case, it seems to rise in direct proportion to the Welsh score against England in the rugby
"‘Angry’ Scotland should be more like Wales and accept its place within the union, a British academic and former Conservative Member of the Scottish Parliament has said.
Prof. Adam Tomkins, returning from a holiday in Pembrokeshire, said that Wales felt “much more at ease with itself than Scotland” because it did not have an adversarial relationship with England."
https://tinyurl.com/vxvcvkar
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@TSE You were right, however I think the other findings do tend to support findings of other polls.
We'll continue to see a narrowing and I think Opinium will show a shrinking lead over the next few weeks0 -
With very careful cherry picking of statistics too.williamglenn said:
It's hilarious that we constantly hear that the UK is irrelevant, yet EU diplomats and media figures do nothing but tweet about us.CarlottaVance said:Up to a point, Lord Copper....
The EU #vaccination campaign has turned into a success story:
#Malta #Denmark & the #Netherlands have now #vaccinated a higher share of their populations with 1 dose of a #Covid19 vaccine than the #UK, the former European frontrunner. 1/3
https://twitter.com/SFischer_EU/status/1418971892820631553?s=20
Number of vaccines per head of population:
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I was thinking actually how the description applied very neatly to Stuart.JosiasJessop said:
Is 'barely informed people' a synonym for 'people I disagree with' ?Theuniondivvie said:
Yep, the Venn diagram of those folk and the ones who bellow endlessly about the iniquities of the EU despite us apparently no longer being a member = O.kinabalu said:
There are those for whom the ideal scenario is Scotland getting a good rogering and thus hankering to leave the relationship but being either afraid or unable to do so.Theuniondivvie said:
One recurring airhead PB definition of a Scot is someone coming from a nation of bottlers, apparently referring to Scots who voted no and would again in any indy referendum. Perhaps Unionist Scots with some self respect should consider how some of their fellow Brits look upon them, though I say that more in hope than expectation.Carnyx said:
Perhaps more to the point, "your fellow countrymen" is hopelessly ambiguous. It cane from a PBTory in the middle of a debate about whether the correct designation for the so-called British is, well, British (but as any fule kno that is hopelessly ambiguous in NI and the adjacent parts of Scotland and the correct answer is subject of HMTQ of the UK etc). And the only definition of a Scot in PBToryland is a blood definition (as seen by the constant chorus of demand to allow e.g. Mr Cameron a vote in indyref2).Theuniondivvie said:
You lied about what he said.Leon said:
For once in your PB life you could show a bit of backbone and say a fellow Nat is talking offensive nonsenseTheuniondivvie said:
Bit bored after your fruitless search for flaked Parmesan are you?Leon said:Interesting.
When, say, a Tory like HYUFD comes out with some offensive position - like sending tanks over Hadrian's Wall - his fellow Tories are quite happy to denounce him, and distance themselves
When a Nat like Stuart Dickson comes up with 100% full-fat Powellite Blut Und Boden Scottish ethno-nationalism, his fellow Nats just murmur politely, or say nothing, or quietly tip-toe away, they do not call him out. Loyalty, or cowardice? Perhaps both
I've never known you do it, despite ample opportunities. Here is another chance
Weedy trolling effort - nul points
So Mr Dickson was merely being polite in answering the question in the terms and mindset of the original questioner, and it hardly seems fair to monster him for that. Edit: Someone would complain - and PBTories most certainly do - if one uses a different definition of Scot.
It bodes ill for hopes that barely informed people who don't live in Scotland might feel that they are no longer required to have an opinion on the politics & government of an indy Scotland, and more importantly not obliged to give us the benefit of those opinions. Rather the reverse I fear.1 -
Yes. I am busy with arrangements and covid compliance for my sons wedding here in Wales next SaturdayTheScreamingEagles said:
Does Big_G have an alibi?CarlottaVance said:Not just nutters in London:
Some covid protestors could be heard shouting "arrest Mark Drakeford" outside the First Minister's home.
Andrew RT Davies, leader of the Welsh Conservative opposition, said he was "disturbed" by the scenes and that "harassment is never acceptable."
https://twitter.com/ITVWales/status/1418972861142872067?s=20
Indeed, the whole family has gone into self imposed lockdown would you believe0 -
A discussion you have little patience for by the sounds of it. If posts had a facial expression that one would be a quizzical smirk.another_richard said:
Which leads to a discussion on the merits of assimilation and 'community relations'.Malmesbury said:
There is also the clustering effect - if you are Ghanian, say, and move to a small village in the Highlands, it is quite possible that you are the only black person in the area. In London, you are part of the Ghanian community....MaxPB said:
The weather is shit in the North East of England as well and both Glasgow and Edinburgh are bigger than loads of English regional cities.Carnyx said:
The weather? Distance from major centres of primary settlement?MaxPB said:
I think the question that isn't asked is why Scotland has a lower foreign population. What puts black and Asian people off living there?Aslan said:
That's because Scotland has less of a foreign population as a starting point so lower integration needs, lower population density so less worries about congestion and house prices, and less productive workers, so lower dilution of output per capita from low skilled workers.Carnyx said:
This link, which I found earlier, throws some light on the answer:kinabalu said:
Take 100 random SNP voters. Take 100 random English Leave voters. Which group will have the larger racist quotient, do we think?Leon said:
Yes, despite all Carnyx's guff (and how disappointing from the most urbane Nat on here) what Stuart Dickson said is obvious: his "fellow countrymen" are Scots born in Scotland. That's it. Everyone else is not truly Scottish, not a "fellow countryman", and if they don't embrace Scottish independence they are..... God knows what he thinks.Sunil_Prasannan said:
He said this:Carnyx said:
Perhaps more to the point, "your fellow countrymen" is hopelessly ambiguous. It cane from a PBTory in the middle of a debate about whether the correct designation for the so-called British is, well, British (but as any fule kno that is hopelessly ambiguous in NI and the adjacent parts of Scotland and the correct answer is subject of HMTQ of the UK etc). And the only definition of a Scot in PBToryland is a blood definition (as seen by the constant chorus of demand to allow e.g. Mr Cameron a vote in indyref2).Theuniondivvie said:
You lied about what he said.Leon said:
For once in your PB life you could show a bit of backbone and say a fellow Nat is talking offensive nonsenseTheuniondivvie said:
Bit bored after your fruitless search for flaked Parmesan are you?Leon said:Interesting.
When, say, a Tory like HYUFD comes out with some offensive position - like sending tanks over Hadrian's Wall - his fellow Tories are quite happy to denounce him, and distance themselves
When a Nat like Stuart Dickson comes up with 100% full-fat Powellite Blut Und Boden Scottish ethno-nationalism, his fellow Nats just murmur politely, or say nothing, or quietly tip-toe away, they do not call him out. Loyalty, or cowardice? Perhaps both
I've never known you do it, despite ample opportunities. Here is another chance
Weedy trolling effort - nul points
So Mr Dickson was merely being polite in answering the question in the terms and mindset of the original questioner, and it hardly seems fair to monster him for that. You'd complain - and PBTories most certainly do - if one uses a different definition of Scot.
"Max: It must eat away at you that your fellow countrymen bottled it in 2014"
Stuart: Except they didn’t.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/majority-of-scottish-born-voters-said-yes-z7v2mmhc8nt
At the core of Nat ideology is ethnocentricity and anti-Englishness. Twas ever thus. All the rest- from civic Nationalism to pro-EU sentiment - is transient fancy packaging designed to disguise this central and rather unpleasant ethos. We know this because the pro-EU thing is a completely new invention, given that a YES vote in 2014 meant instant departure from the EU.
Picked 100 because I've just been watching Pointless.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-46457341
Do people prefer the 'melting pot' or should we 'celebrate the mosaic' ?0 -
Isn't Pembrokeshire rather different from, say, the Valleys or Eryri? A non-Taff-expertt PBer asks.Theuniondivvie said:
A Taff expert opineskle4 said:
The Welsh are great, they know their plac....no, stop it, bad kle4!ydoethur said:
Well, not being Welsh you’ve probably never been on the receiving end of it.Carnyx said:
Course it does. As does anti-Irish racism/sectarianism (probably counts as anti-RCism actually though the two are obviously easily conflated). (though, come to thinl of it, I can't think of anti-Welsh racism as an issue: it must exist, at least in theory).ydoethur said:
Does anti-English xenophobia count as racism or not?kinabalu said:
Take 100 random SNP voters. Take 100 random English Leave voters. Which group will have the larger racist quotient, do we think?Leon said:
Yes, despite all Carnyx's guff (and how disappointing from the most urbane Nat on here) what Stuart Dickson said is obvious: his "fellow countrymen" are Scots born in Scotland. That's it. Everyone else is not truly Scottish, not a "fellow countryman", and if they don't embrace Scottish independence they are..... God knows what he thinks.Sunil_Prasannan said:
He said this:Carnyx said:
Perhaps more to the point, "your fellow countrymen" is hopelessly ambiguous. It cane from a PBTory in the middle of a debate about whether the correct designation for the so-called British is, well, British (but as any fule kno that is hopelessly ambiguous in NI and the adjacent parts of Scotland and the correct answer is subject of HMTQ of the UK etc). And the only definition of a Scot in PBToryland is a blood definition (as seen by the constant chorus of demand to allow e.g. Mr Cameron a vote in indyref2).Theuniondivvie said:
You lied about what he said.Leon said:
For once in your PB life you could show a bit of backbone and say a fellow Nat is talking offensive nonsenseTheuniondivvie said:
Bit bored after your fruitless search for flaked Parmesan are you?Leon said:Interesting.
When, say, a Tory like HYUFD comes out with some offensive position - like sending tanks over Hadrian's Wall - his fellow Tories are quite happy to denounce him, and distance themselves
When a Nat like Stuart Dickson comes up with 100% full-fat Powellite Blut Und Boden Scottish ethno-nationalism, his fellow Nats just murmur politely, or say nothing, or quietly tip-toe away, they do not call him out. Loyalty, or cowardice? Perhaps both
I've never known you do it, despite ample opportunities. Here is another chance
Weedy trolling effort - nul points
So Mr Dickson was merely being polite in answering the question in the terms and mindset of the original questioner, and it hardly seems fair to monster him for that. You'd complain - and PBTories most certainly do - if one uses a different definition of Scot.
"Max: It must eat away at you that your fellow countrymen bottled it in 2014"
Stuart: Except they didn’t.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/majority-of-scottish-born-voters-said-yes-z7v2mmhc8nt
At the core of Nat ideology is ethnocentricity and anti-Englishness. Twas ever thus. All the rest- from civic Nationalism to pro-EU sentiment - is transient fancy packaging designed to disguise this central and rather unpleasant ethos. We know this because the pro-EU thing is a completely new invention, given that a YES vote in 2014 meant instant departure from the EU.
Picked 100 because I've just been watching Pointless.
https://www.gov.scot/publications/study-characteristics-police-recorded-hate-crime-scotland/pages/6/
In @TSE ‘s case, it seems to rise in direct proportion to the Welsh score against England in the rugby
"‘Angry’ Scotland should be more like Wales and accept its place within the union, a British academic and former Conservative Member of the Scottish Parliament has said.
Prof. Adam Tomkins, returning from a holiday in Pembrokeshire, said that Wales felt “much more at ease with itself than Scotland” because it did not have an adversarial relationship with England."
https://tinyurl.com/vxvcvkar0 -
That's fair: there's an insane difference in vaccination rates between Eastern and Western Europe. Here's top 5 and bottom 5 (as a % of adults with at least one dose, so excludes vaccinated kids):williamglenn said:
I don't think you can say that none of them will have exit waves that look different to ours. Romania and Bulgaria have terrible vaccination rates.rcs1000 said:
Actually... that's not quite true. The Netherlands had a very similar start to us, and is now down even more than us (albeit they reintroduced some restrictions). Denmark is also down and Belgium appears to have topped out too. Germany and Sweden have (so far) managed to avoidturbotubbs said:
Bad news for you is our cases are going the right direction and we have no restrictions. In Europe delta is just taking off...Roger said:
No need to worry. We're still comfortably ahead of all the countries in the EU.CarlottaVance said:NEW: UK coronavirus cases
Last Thursday: 48,553
Day before Yesterday: 39,906
Last Friday: 51,870
Yesterday: 36,389
Last Saturday: 54674
Today: 31,795
Something is happening
https://twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/status/1418962798835535873?s=20
France, Spain and Italy are all still on the upswing, and from lower levels of vaccinations than us. But they also have school summer holidays, and vaccination programmes continue at pace. I'd expect Spain (which has been most lax in terms of restrictions) to probably get to 75-80k cases a day, while I think France will make it to 50-55k.
But none of them will have exit waves that look very different to us. And they're all keeping jabbing. (Indeed, Delta probably comes at quite a good time to persuade sceptics to take it in the arm.)
Differential rates of vaccination among vulnerable groups could also lead to big differences in mortality during an exit wave. For example if country A and country B both have 60% vaccinated, but country A's vaccinations are skewed towards the elderly and vulnerable, you would expect it to cope better with a new wave.Denmark 83.7%
Edit to add - I forgot Malta at 84%. My bad.
Belgium 82.7%
Netherlands 83.5%
Ireland 81.9%
Finland 78.9%
...
Slovakia 47.9%
Croatia 47.0%
Latvia 44.0%
Romania 31.1%
Bulgaria 18.4%0 -
The Champs-Élysées is so full of tear gas that you can't see:
https://twitter.com/ClementLanot/status/14189729378230804600 -
Never believe poll ramping.CorrectHorseBattery said:No change from Opinium, boring!
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Depends which bit of it he was in.Carnyx said:
Isn't Pembrokeshire rather different from, say, the Valleys or Eryri? A non-Taff-expertt PBer asks.Theuniondivvie said:
A Taff expert opineskle4 said:
The Welsh are great, they know their plac....no, stop it, bad kle4!ydoethur said:
Well, not being Welsh you’ve probably never been on the receiving end of it.Carnyx said:
Course it does. As does anti-Irish racism/sectarianism (probably counts as anti-RCism actually though the two are obviously easily conflated). (though, come to thinl of it, I can't think of anti-Welsh racism as an issue: it must exist, at least in theory).ydoethur said:
Does anti-English xenophobia count as racism or not?kinabalu said:
Take 100 random SNP voters. Take 100 random English Leave voters. Which group will have the larger racist quotient, do we think?Leon said:
Yes, despite all Carnyx's guff (and how disappointing from the most urbane Nat on here) what Stuart Dickson said is obvious: his "fellow countrymen" are Scots born in Scotland. That's it. Everyone else is not truly Scottish, not a "fellow countryman", and if they don't embrace Scottish independence they are..... God knows what he thinks.Sunil_Prasannan said:
He said this:Carnyx said:
Perhaps more to the point, "your fellow countrymen" is hopelessly ambiguous. It cane from a PBTory in the middle of a debate about whether the correct designation for the so-called British is, well, British (but as any fule kno that is hopelessly ambiguous in NI and the adjacent parts of Scotland and the correct answer is subject of HMTQ of the UK etc). And the only definition of a Scot in PBToryland is a blood definition (as seen by the constant chorus of demand to allow e.g. Mr Cameron a vote in indyref2).Theuniondivvie said:
You lied about what he said.Leon said:
For once in your PB life you could show a bit of backbone and say a fellow Nat is talking offensive nonsenseTheuniondivvie said:
Bit bored after your fruitless search for flaked Parmesan are you?Leon said:Interesting.
When, say, a Tory like HYUFD comes out with some offensive position - like sending tanks over Hadrian's Wall - his fellow Tories are quite happy to denounce him, and distance themselves
When a Nat like Stuart Dickson comes up with 100% full-fat Powellite Blut Und Boden Scottish ethno-nationalism, his fellow Nats just murmur politely, or say nothing, or quietly tip-toe away, they do not call him out. Loyalty, or cowardice? Perhaps both
I've never known you do it, despite ample opportunities. Here is another chance
Weedy trolling effort - nul points
So Mr Dickson was merely being polite in answering the question in the terms and mindset of the original questioner, and it hardly seems fair to monster him for that. You'd complain - and PBTories most certainly do - if one uses a different definition of Scot.
"Max: It must eat away at you that your fellow countrymen bottled it in 2014"
Stuart: Except they didn’t.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/majority-of-scottish-born-voters-said-yes-z7v2mmhc8nt
At the core of Nat ideology is ethnocentricity and anti-Englishness. Twas ever thus. All the rest- from civic Nationalism to pro-EU sentiment - is transient fancy packaging designed to disguise this central and rather unpleasant ethos. We know this because the pro-EU thing is a completely new invention, given that a YES vote in 2014 meant instant departure from the EU.
Picked 100 because I've just been watching Pointless.
https://www.gov.scot/publications/study-characteristics-police-recorded-hate-crime-scotland/pages/6/
In @TSE ‘s case, it seems to rise in direct proportion to the Welsh score against England in the rugby
"‘Angry’ Scotland should be more like Wales and accept its place within the union, a British academic and former Conservative Member of the Scottish Parliament has said.
Prof. Adam Tomkins, returning from a holiday in Pembrokeshire, said that Wales felt “much more at ease with itself than Scotland” because it did not have an adversarial relationship with England."
https://tinyurl.com/vxvcvkar
ETA - and the Valleys are very different from Eryri. Wales is a remarkably diverse place considering it’s so small.1 -
To be honest Nick, the public are very risk averse and just do not want to leave lockdown, add in the pingdemic which is directly affecting people and the lack of logic of lifting the restrictions for the vaccinated on the 16th August when it should happen now, is in my opinion responsible for a lot of the sudden big fall in Boris's ratingsNickPalmer said:
Politics is so strange. The initial Government reaction to the pandemic can be credibly claimed to have cost thousands of lives. The public reaction? "Fine, carry on." If we as individuals cause even one death by carelessness, we risk a prison sentence. Now there's been a bit of a shambolic relaxation as the pandemic declines. The public reaction? "The Government is a disaster!"CorrectHorseBattery said:
Two posisibilities:
1. The stones-in-a-lake theory. Bad impressions accumulate, apparently having no effect, but eventually they accumulate and break surface.
2. The "rules don't apply to us" thing really damaged Johnson, in exactly the same eway that Barnards Castle cut through for Cummings. People forgive mistakes, but not hypocrisy?1 -
Thus proving Johnson andis very resilient to a negative press.TheScreamingEagles said:
Everyone on here sees his competent gorgeousness, but it just passes
It has been a mixed picture really.Big_G_NorthWales said:
A bit of a surprise but Boris has had a dreadful 10 daysCarlottaVance said:The latest voting numbers from Opinium see no change though the other findings are poor for Johnson
https://twitter.com/MSmithsonPB/status/1418975502610612227?s=20
The Covid figures are looking fantastic and people don't have to wear masks.
Compare and contrast to the civil unrest in Labour Wales. Empty shelves and mask wearing still compulsory!2 -
Is every English person who opines on another part of the world a “[derogatory term] expert”? So, if I were to pitch in about the French elections am I automatically a “Frog Expert”. Were we all “Yank Experts” last autumn? What’s the reasoning here?Theuniondivvie said:
A Taff expert opineskle4 said:
The Welsh are great, they know their plac....no, stop it, bad kle4!ydoethur said:
Well, not being Welsh you’ve probably never been on the receiving end of it.Carnyx said:
Course it does. As does anti-Irish racism/sectarianism (probably counts as anti-RCism actually though the two are obviously easily conflated). (though, come to thinl of it, I can't think of anti-Welsh racism as an issue: it must exist, at least in theory).ydoethur said:
Does anti-English xenophobia count as racism or not?kinabalu said:
Take 100 random SNP voters. Take 100 random English Leave voters. Which group will have the larger racist quotient, do we think?Leon said:
Yes, despite all Carnyx's guff (and how disappointing from the most urbane Nat on here) what Stuart Dickson said is obvious: his "fellow countrymen" are Scots born in Scotland. That's it. Everyone else is not truly Scottish, not a "fellow countryman", and if they don't embrace Scottish independence they are..... God knows what he thinks.Sunil_Prasannan said:
He said this:Carnyx said:
Perhaps more to the point, "your fellow countrymen" is hopelessly ambiguous. It cane from a PBTory in the middle of a debate about whether the correct designation for the so-called British is, well, British (but as any fule kno that is hopelessly ambiguous in NI and the adjacent parts of Scotland and the correct answer is subject of HMTQ of the UK etc). And the only definition of a Scot in PBToryland is a blood definition (as seen by the constant chorus of demand to allow e.g. Mr Cameron a vote in indyref2).Theuniondivvie said:
You lied about what he said.Leon said:
For once in your PB life you could show a bit of backbone and say a fellow Nat is talking offensive nonsenseTheuniondivvie said:
Bit bored after your fruitless search for flaked Parmesan are you?Leon said:Interesting.
When, say, a Tory like HYUFD comes out with some offensive position - like sending tanks over Hadrian's Wall - his fellow Tories are quite happy to denounce him, and distance themselves
When a Nat like Stuart Dickson comes up with 100% full-fat Powellite Blut Und Boden Scottish ethno-nationalism, his fellow Nats just murmur politely, or say nothing, or quietly tip-toe away, they do not call him out. Loyalty, or cowardice? Perhaps both
I've never known you do it, despite ample opportunities. Here is another chance
Weedy trolling effort - nul points
So Mr Dickson was merely being polite in answering the question in the terms and mindset of the original questioner, and it hardly seems fair to monster him for that. You'd complain - and PBTories most certainly do - if one uses a different definition of Scot.
"Max: It must eat away at you that your fellow countrymen bottled it in 2014"
Stuart: Except they didn’t.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/majority-of-scottish-born-voters-said-yes-z7v2mmhc8nt
At the core of Nat ideology is ethnocentricity and anti-Englishness. Twas ever thus. All the rest- from civic Nationalism to pro-EU sentiment - is transient fancy packaging designed to disguise this central and rather unpleasant ethos. We know this because the pro-EU thing is a completely new invention, given that a YES vote in 2014 meant instant departure from the EU.
Picked 100 because I've just been watching Pointless.
https://www.gov.scot/publications/study-characteristics-police-recorded-hate-crime-scotland/pages/6/
In @TSE ‘s case, it seems to rise in direct proportion to the Welsh score against England in the rugby
"‘Angry’ Scotland should be more like Wales and accept its place within the union, a British academic and former Conservative Member of the Scottish Parliament has said.
Prof. Adam Tomkins, returning from a holiday in Pembrokeshire, said that Wales felt “much more at ease with itself than Scotland” because it did not have an adversarial relationship with England."
https://tinyurl.com/vxvcvkar0 -
Starting to think of the teams in The Hundred by their crisp/snack sponsors.
It's a real life World (England and Wales) Cup of Crisps.
Popchips vs Hula Hoops just starting now.1 -
I don't think that the statistic is even true.CarlottaVance said:Up to a point, Lord Copper....
The EU #vaccination campaign has turned into a success story:
#Malta #Denmark & the #Netherlands have now #vaccinated a higher share of their populations with 1 dose of a #Covid19 vaccine than the #UK, the former European frontrunner. 1/3
https://twitter.com/SFischer_EU/status/1418971892820631553?s=20
The UK is at (give or take) 89% of adults.
In the whole EEA, only Iceland has exceeded that, with 90%. You then have to drop to the microstate of Malta to get to 84%, and then Demark with 83.7%.
I find it very hard to believe that there has been such extraordinary update among kids as to allow Malta, Denmark and the Netherlands to have gotten to a higher share of the population.
That being said... the gaps are clearly a lot narrower than they were.2 -
The Sikh or Indian door ro door salesman was a definite thing in Scotland - but the sustainable density was obviously lower.Malmesbury said:
There is also the clustering effect - if you are Ghanian, say, and move to a small village in the Highlands, it is quite possible that you are the only black person in the area. In London, you are part of the Ghanian community....MaxPB said:
The weather is shit in the North East of England as well and both Glasgow and Edinburgh are bigger than loads of English regional cities.Carnyx said:
The weather? Distance from major centres of primary settlement?MaxPB said:
I think the question that isn't asked is why Scotland has a lower foreign population. What puts black and Asian people off living there?Aslan said:
That's because Scotland has less of a foreign population as a starting point so lower integration needs, lower population density so less worries about congestion and house prices, and less productive workers, so lower dilution of output per capita from low skilled workers.Carnyx said:
This link, which I found earlier, throws some light on the answer:kinabalu said:
Take 100 random SNP voters. Take 100 random English Leave voters. Which group will have the larger racist quotient, do we think?Leon said:
Yes, despite all Carnyx's guff (and how disappointing from the most urbane Nat on here) what Stuart Dickson said is obvious: his "fellow countrymen" are Scots born in Scotland. That's it. Everyone else is not truly Scottish, not a "fellow countryman", and if they don't embrace Scottish independence they are..... God knows what he thinks.Sunil_Prasannan said:
He said this:Carnyx said:
Perhaps more to the point, "your fellow countrymen" is hopelessly ambiguous. It cane from a PBTory in the middle of a debate about whether the correct designation for the so-called British is, well, British (but as any fule kno that is hopelessly ambiguous in NI and the adjacent parts of Scotland and the correct answer is subject of HMTQ of the UK etc). And the only definition of a Scot in PBToryland is a blood definition (as seen by the constant chorus of demand to allow e.g. Mr Cameron a vote in indyref2).Theuniondivvie said:
You lied about what he said.Leon said:
For once in your PB life you could show a bit of backbone and say a fellow Nat is talking offensive nonsenseTheuniondivvie said:
Bit bored after your fruitless search for flaked Parmesan are you?Leon said:Interesting.
When, say, a Tory like HYUFD comes out with some offensive position - like sending tanks over Hadrian's Wall - his fellow Tories are quite happy to denounce him, and distance themselves
When a Nat like Stuart Dickson comes up with 100% full-fat Powellite Blut Und Boden Scottish ethno-nationalism, his fellow Nats just murmur politely, or say nothing, or quietly tip-toe away, they do not call him out. Loyalty, or cowardice? Perhaps both
I've never known you do it, despite ample opportunities. Here is another chance
Weedy trolling effort - nul points
So Mr Dickson was merely being polite in answering the question in the terms and mindset of the original questioner, and it hardly seems fair to monster him for that. You'd complain - and PBTories most certainly do - if one uses a different definition of Scot.
"Max: It must eat away at you that your fellow countrymen bottled it in 2014"
Stuart: Except they didn’t.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/majority-of-scottish-born-voters-said-yes-z7v2mmhc8nt
At the core of Nat ideology is ethnocentricity and anti-Englishness. Twas ever thus. All the rest- from civic Nationalism to pro-EU sentiment - is transient fancy packaging designed to disguise this central and rather unpleasant ethos. We know this because the pro-EU thing is a completely new invention, given that a YES vote in 2014 meant instant departure from the EU.
Picked 100 because I've just been watching Pointless.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-46457341
Example in here (not just small Highland villages but near where RP hangs out now) on p 242 http://equalityscotland.com/assets/memories/Scottish-Memories.pdf0 -
I can't remember where I'd heard about Pim Fortuyn, but he wasn't exactly an unknown in the UK before he died. I was just achingly wondering *why* he was being mentioned.Carnyx said:
I'm impressed you knew who he was!JosiasJessop said:
Many moons ago I was on a hiking trip in the far northwest - near Sandwood Bay. I had a little Walkman-style radio with me, and the only station I could get one morning was in Gaelic. I listened anyway, feeling somewhat lonely, and in what was obviously the news segment, the name 'Pim Fortuyn' kept on coming up.Carnyx said:
Just wait till they see the Gaelic. Never mind hear it.sarissa said:
The amount of people coming to Scotland fleeing multiculturalism south of the bother?MaxPB said:
I think the question that isn't asked is why Scotland has a lower foreign population. What puts black and Asian people off living there?Aslan said:
That's because Scotland has less of a foreign population as a starting point so lower integration needs, lower population density so less worries about congestion and house prices, and less productive workers, so lower dilution of output per capita from low skilled workers.Carnyx said:
This link, which I found earlier, throws some light on the answer:kinabalu said:
Take 100 random SNP voters. Take 100 random English Leave voters. Which group will have the larger racist quotient, do we think?Leon said:
Yes, despite all Carnyx's guff (and how disappointing from the most urbane Nat on here) what Stuart Dickson said is obvious: his "fellow countrymen" are Scots born in Scotland. That's it. Everyone else is not truly Scottish, not a "fellow countryman", and if they don't embrace Scottish independence they are..... God knows what he thinks.Sunil_Prasannan said:
He said this:Carnyx said:
Perhaps more to the point, "your fellow countrymen" is hopelessly ambiguous. It cane from a PBTory in the middle of a debate about whether the correct designation for the so-called British is, well, British (but as any fule kno that is hopelessly ambiguous in NI and the adjacent parts of Scotland and the correct answer is subject of HMTQ of the UK etc). And the only definition of a Scot in PBToryland is a blood definition (as seen by the constant chorus of demand to allow e.g. Mr Cameron a vote in indyref2).Theuniondivvie said:
You lied about what he said.Leon said:
For once in your PB life you could show a bit of backbone and say a fellow Nat is talking offensive nonsenseTheuniondivvie said:
Bit bored after your fruitless search for flaked Parmesan are you?Leon said:Interesting.
When, say, a Tory like HYUFD comes out with some offensive position - like sending tanks over Hadrian's Wall - his fellow Tories are quite happy to denounce him, and distance themselves
When a Nat like Stuart Dickson comes up with 100% full-fat Powellite Blut Und Boden Scottish ethno-nationalism, his fellow Nats just murmur politely, or say nothing, or quietly tip-toe away, they do not call him out. Loyalty, or cowardice? Perhaps both
I've never known you do it, despite ample opportunities. Here is another chance
Weedy trolling effort - nul points
So Mr Dickson was merely being polite in answering the question in the terms and mindset of the original questioner, and it hardly seems fair to monster him for that. You'd complain - and PBTories most certainly do - if one uses a different definition of Scot.
"Max: It must eat away at you that your fellow countrymen bottled it in 2014"
Stuart: Except they didn’t.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/majority-of-scottish-born-voters-said-yes-z7v2mmhc8nt
At the core of Nat ideology is ethnocentricity and anti-Englishness. Twas ever thus. All the rest- from civic Nationalism to pro-EU sentiment - is transient fancy packaging designed to disguise this central and rather unpleasant ethos. We know this because the pro-EU thing is a completely new invention, given that a YES vote in 2014 meant instant departure from the EU.
Picked 100 because I've just been watching Pointless.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-46457341
I had to wait until I received a station in English to find out why a Gaelic station was mentioning a Dutch politician. It was the day after he was assassinated.
A friend of mine recently told me about a Cornish business which advertises solely in Cornish on the local Tv or radio - of course most can't understand it but for the oocastional words 'Trelawney Supermarkets' (or whatever it is called) and 'vanilla ice cream' (ditto) which pop out, no doubt carefully. Apparently very suiccessful.
Listening to Gaelic radio when you're not a speaker may seem odd, but it was near the end of a trip and, although I had stayed at a few B&B's, I was feeling lonely. Just listening to human voices helped.
(Nowadays podcasts help with this - not that I get to do long trips at the moment...)1 -
Central London felt almost completely normal last night, albeit with added festivity in Soho - all the outdoor tables. Great to seeMexicanpete said:
Thus proving Johnson andis very resilient to a negative press.TheScreamingEagles said:
Everyone on here sees his competent gorgeousness, but it just passes
It has been a mixed picture really.Big_G_NorthWales said:
A bit of a surprise but Boris has had a dreadful 10 daysCarlottaVance said:The latest voting numbers from Opinium see no change though the other findings are poor for Johnson
https://twitter.com/MSmithsonPB/status/1418975502610612227?s=20
The Covid figures are looking fantastic and people don't have to wear masks.
Compare and contrast to the civil unrest in Labour Wales. Empty shelves and mask wearing still compulsory!1 -
Oh quite - a friend of mine worked there all his working life (and learnt the Cymraeg BTW). He always emphasises the differences between the Gogs and the Valley people, in particular.ydoethur said:
Depends which bit of it he was in.Carnyx said:
Isn't Pembrokeshire rather different from, say, the Valleys or Eryri? A non-Taff-expertt PBer asks.Theuniondivvie said:
A Taff expert opineskle4 said:
The Welsh are great, they know their plac....no, stop it, bad kle4!ydoethur said:
Well, not being Welsh you’ve probably never been on the receiving end of it.Carnyx said:
Course it does. As does anti-Irish racism/sectarianism (probably counts as anti-RCism actually though the two are obviously easily conflated). (though, come to thinl of it, I can't think of anti-Welsh racism as an issue: it must exist, at least in theory).ydoethur said:
Does anti-English xenophobia count as racism or not?kinabalu said:
Take 100 random SNP voters. Take 100 random English Leave voters. Which group will have the larger racist quotient, do we think?Leon said:
Yes, despite all Carnyx's guff (and how disappointing from the most urbane Nat on here) what Stuart Dickson said is obvious: his "fellow countrymen" are Scots born in Scotland. That's it. Everyone else is not truly Scottish, not a "fellow countryman", and if they don't embrace Scottish independence they are..... God knows what he thinks.Sunil_Prasannan said:
He said this:Carnyx said:
Perhaps more to the point, "your fellow countrymen" is hopelessly ambiguous. It cane from a PBTory in the middle of a debate about whether the correct designation for the so-called British is, well, British (but as any fule kno that is hopelessly ambiguous in NI and the adjacent parts of Scotland and the correct answer is subject of HMTQ of the UK etc). And the only definition of a Scot in PBToryland is a blood definition (as seen by the constant chorus of demand to allow e.g. Mr Cameron a vote in indyref2).Theuniondivvie said:
You lied about what he said.Leon said:
For once in your PB life you could show a bit of backbone and say a fellow Nat is talking offensive nonsenseTheuniondivvie said:
Bit bored after your fruitless search for flaked Parmesan are you?Leon said:Interesting.
When, say, a Tory like HYUFD comes out with some offensive position - like sending tanks over Hadrian's Wall - his fellow Tories are quite happy to denounce him, and distance themselves
When a Nat like Stuart Dickson comes up with 100% full-fat Powellite Blut Und Boden Scottish ethno-nationalism, his fellow Nats just murmur politely, or say nothing, or quietly tip-toe away, they do not call him out. Loyalty, or cowardice? Perhaps both
I've never known you do it, despite ample opportunities. Here is another chance
Weedy trolling effort - nul points
So Mr Dickson was merely being polite in answering the question in the terms and mindset of the original questioner, and it hardly seems fair to monster him for that. You'd complain - and PBTories most certainly do - if one uses a different definition of Scot.
"Max: It must eat away at you that your fellow countrymen bottled it in 2014"
Stuart: Except they didn’t.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/majority-of-scottish-born-voters-said-yes-z7v2mmhc8nt
At the core of Nat ideology is ethnocentricity and anti-Englishness. Twas ever thus. All the rest- from civic Nationalism to pro-EU sentiment - is transient fancy packaging designed to disguise this central and rather unpleasant ethos. We know this because the pro-EU thing is a completely new invention, given that a YES vote in 2014 meant instant departure from the EU.
Picked 100 because I've just been watching Pointless.
https://www.gov.scot/publications/study-characteristics-police-recorded-hate-crime-scotland/pages/6/
In @TSE ‘s case, it seems to rise in direct proportion to the Welsh score against England in the rugby
"‘Angry’ Scotland should be more like Wales and accept its place within the union, a British academic and former Conservative Member of the Scottish Parliament has said.
Prof. Adam Tomkins, returning from a holiday in Pembrokeshire, said that Wales felt “much more at ease with itself than Scotland” because it did not have an adversarial relationship with England."
https://tinyurl.com/vxvcvkar
ETA - and the Valleys are very different from Eryri. Wales is a remarkably diverse place considering it’s so small.0 -
When I'm feeling particularly punny I serve it with with side dish of roughly pureed fresh peas and creme fraiche that I call "whirled peas" - it's hard to say no if someone asks you if you want whirled peas!Leon said:
VERY GOODBlancheLivermore said:I like to serve bucatini and cheese with green onions while I'm playing Green Onions by Booker T and the MGs.
You show much promise, young PB-er1 -
I think the dashboard cases chart will, when updated, move into the green today.0
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Is a Taff a derogatory term? I find it hard to keep up and would be glad of confirmation.DougSeal said:
Is every English person who opines on another part of the world a “[derogatory term] expert”? So, if I were to pitch in about the French elections am I automatically a “Frog Expert”. Were we all “Yank Experts” last autumn? What’s the reasoning here?Theuniondivvie said:
A Taff expert opineskle4 said:
The Welsh are great, they know their plac....no, stop it, bad kle4!ydoethur said:
Well, not being Welsh you’ve probably never been on the receiving end of it.Carnyx said:
Course it does. As does anti-Irish racism/sectarianism (probably counts as anti-RCism actually though the two are obviously easily conflated). (though, come to thinl of it, I can't think of anti-Welsh racism as an issue: it must exist, at least in theory).ydoethur said:
Does anti-English xenophobia count as racism or not?kinabalu said:
Take 100 random SNP voters. Take 100 random English Leave voters. Which group will have the larger racist quotient, do we think?Leon said:
Yes, despite all Carnyx's guff (and how disappointing from the most urbane Nat on here) what Stuart Dickson said is obvious: his "fellow countrymen" are Scots born in Scotland. That's it. Everyone else is not truly Scottish, not a "fellow countryman", and if they don't embrace Scottish independence they are..... God knows what he thinks.Sunil_Prasannan said:
He said this:Carnyx said:
Perhaps more to the point, "your fellow countrymen" is hopelessly ambiguous. It cane from a PBTory in the middle of a debate about whether the correct designation for the so-called British is, well, British (but as any fule kno that is hopelessly ambiguous in NI and the adjacent parts of Scotland and the correct answer is subject of HMTQ of the UK etc). And the only definition of a Scot in PBToryland is a blood definition (as seen by the constant chorus of demand to allow e.g. Mr Cameron a vote in indyref2).Theuniondivvie said:
You lied about what he said.Leon said:
For once in your PB life you could show a bit of backbone and say a fellow Nat is talking offensive nonsenseTheuniondivvie said:
Bit bored after your fruitless search for flaked Parmesan are you?Leon said:Interesting.
When, say, a Tory like HYUFD comes out with some offensive position - like sending tanks over Hadrian's Wall - his fellow Tories are quite happy to denounce him, and distance themselves
When a Nat like Stuart Dickson comes up with 100% full-fat Powellite Blut Und Boden Scottish ethno-nationalism, his fellow Nats just murmur politely, or say nothing, or quietly tip-toe away, they do not call him out. Loyalty, or cowardice? Perhaps both
I've never known you do it, despite ample opportunities. Here is another chance
Weedy trolling effort - nul points
So Mr Dickson was merely being polite in answering the question in the terms and mindset of the original questioner, and it hardly seems fair to monster him for that. You'd complain - and PBTories most certainly do - if one uses a different definition of Scot.
"Max: It must eat away at you that your fellow countrymen bottled it in 2014"
Stuart: Except they didn’t.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/majority-of-scottish-born-voters-said-yes-z7v2mmhc8nt
At the core of Nat ideology is ethnocentricity and anti-Englishness. Twas ever thus. All the rest- from civic Nationalism to pro-EU sentiment - is transient fancy packaging designed to disguise this central and rather unpleasant ethos. We know this because the pro-EU thing is a completely new invention, given that a YES vote in 2014 meant instant departure from the EU.
Picked 100 because I've just been watching Pointless.
https://www.gov.scot/publications/study-characteristics-police-recorded-hate-crime-scotland/pages/6/
In @TSE ‘s case, it seems to rise in direct proportion to the Welsh score against England in the rugby
"‘Angry’ Scotland should be more like Wales and accept its place within the union, a British academic and former Conservative Member of the Scottish Parliament has said.
Prof. Adam Tomkins, returning from a holiday in Pembrokeshire, said that Wales felt “much more at ease with itself than Scotland” because it did not have an adversarial relationship with England."
https://tinyurl.com/vxvcvkar0 -
Although Sebastien Fischer is hardly a major figure. The man doesn't even rate a "blue tick" and has barely more followers than me.williamglenn said:
It's hilarious that we constantly hear that the UK is irrelevant, yet EU diplomats and media figures do nothing but tweet about us.CarlottaVance said:Up to a point, Lord Copper....
The EU #vaccination campaign has turned into a success story:
#Malta #Denmark & the #Netherlands have now #vaccinated a higher share of their populations with 1 dose of a #Covid19 vaccine than the #UK, the former European frontrunner. 1/3
https://twitter.com/SFischer_EU/status/1418971892820631553?s=20
One might almost say that some people desperately search Twitter for people they can characterise as "EU diplomats and media figures" and use them to reinforce the narrative that they do nothing other than think that they are tweeting about us.0 -
Oh God, I'm going to have to say it, aren't I? Only a fool buys ready flaked Parmesan. Buy a chunk of Parmesan and grate it yourself. Or flake it if you must.DavidL said:
No flaked parmesan? Surely there was a rendering of garments and enough teeth damage to keep an NHS dentist busy for a year of assessment appointments before they do any actual work.Leon said:Incidentally, talking of supermarkets, just been to M&S in Camden and there was no sign of any shortage of anything, except ready flaked parmesan. That's it.
Where are these empty shelves?!2
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