Inevitably the front pages are once again dominated by the football – politicalbetting.com
Inevitably the front pages are once again dominated by the football – politicalbetting.com
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A pity1
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First? not like England0
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Is anyone "gutted" ? i managed a "oh well" at the end .0
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Lots of people, why would you be affect surprise in the slightest about that when getting invested in team success and failure is at the heart of a lot of sports watching?state_go_away said:Is anyone "gutted" ? i managed a "oh well" at the end .
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Ove tried to not be too investedstate_go_away said:Is anyone "gutted" ? i managed a "oh well" at the end .
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Good on the Metro for the right tone. A loss, but the future feels better as an England fan - now it will be a disappointment to go out early, rather than expectation.7
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It's just a meh result. Might as well toss a coin. Why can't we have 4-2 scorelines?0
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I'm disappointed but it was probably the just result in the end. England are doing well in tournaments at last, but they're still not yet quite the finished article.state_go_away said:Is anyone "gutted" ? i managed a "oh well" at the end .
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It looked like Southgate had got lucky with his tactical change when enthused wing backs contrived a goal before any game plan could get going. But fact is, Southgate change to back five surrendered too much possession and territory. He should have kept a back 4 front 3 and replaced Mount with Henderson to go toe to toe with the Italians in the midfield, we would have created more chances that way, and that would have been our best chance of taking the win. Instead we spent too much of this game on back foot when we should have had more possession and chances of our own.
Can call it a great run, lots of fun, but truth is we haven’t sealed the deal with home advantage. Both the World Cup and this tournament fixtures opened up chance for a good run - true, we should be strong entery into next years WC, but we could meet a Belgium, France, Italy much sooner than semi and final.
This was an historic missed opportunity this evening.
Ticketless fans getting in, in the numbers they clearly have should be treated very seriously. That’s the type of thing that can create lots of deaths.
Horrid to see Saka so nervous when stepping up, and so broken at end.3 -
Let's not forget England were still ahead with just 23 minutes to go.0
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Context matters, and tone. I could substitute out a bad word for a less bad one, but I could make my intended meaning pretty clear all the same, and my protestations would ring pretty hollow.Andy_JS said:
Nothing wrong with the word swarthy AFAIK.Stark_Dawning said:
Referring to an Italian player as 'swarthy'? I'm amazed he didn't append the w-word. What an unpleasant piece of work 'Blue Labour' Riddle is.CorrectHorseBattery said:https://twitter.com/spectator/status/1414353782041894919
Does Ron Liddle have positions? He seems to just jump on bandwagons0 -
Damn right that they've done us proud. 🦁🦁🦁♥3
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Glad I'm not in Central this evening, apparently it is grim grim grim0
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After hubris comes nemesis.0
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Beaten by a more street wise team.
I called it for Italy before the game and I am calling England World Cup winners in Qatar. The team will only get better.0 -
YawnStuartDickson said:After hubris comes nemesis.
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FPT.
Just seen Donnarumma player of the tournament?
Am I deluded, or do I know nowt about football?
He wouldn't be in my top 3 Italians.0 -
Please send him to Scotland.IanB2 said:
The serious folks in government must have a special team keeping his diary full of silly things to do, with extra points for events a long way from Londondixiedean said:
He'd then have far more time for...driving forklifts, posing with vaccines, observing building sites, etc.solarflare said:
Does it not cut both ways, that the PM should stop fucking about getting involved in football photo ops and get on with governing the country?HYUFD said:
Yes the usual anti Johnson crowd on here (including you) and PB thought police will pile on but tough it was an entirely reasonable commentBig_G_NorthWales said:
You have absolutely no awareness and to be honest best advice is to have an early night, though it is not earlyHYUFD said:
No I most certainly would not it is what many were thinking and I got several likes for it on twitter.TheScreamingEagles said:
You should hope nobody screenshots that and lets the media know.HYUFD said:Italy win, it all went wrong then when Rashford spent all his time campaigning against the government rather than practicing his penalties
You'd be resigning your seat.
There was nothing remotely racist about it, if Rashford had spent as much time practising his football as he had campaigning against government policy who knows what might have happened.
He is a highly paid professional footballer at the end of the day, if he wants to be a full time political campaigner he should do so and give up the football0 -
How crap was the actual trophy for it though! Looked like a "home sweet home " sign you get from a car boot sale for 50pdixiedean said:FPT.
Just seen Donnarumma player of the tournament?
Am I deluded, or do I know nowt about football?
He wouldn't be in my top 3 Italians.0 -
Hope you’re right!valleyboy said:Beaten by a more street wise team.
I called it for Italy before the game and I am calling England World Cup winners in Qatar. The team will only get better.0 -
Agreed.kle4 said:Good on the Metro for the right tone. A loss, but the future feels better as an England fan - now it will be a disappointment to go out early, rather than expectation.
The England team are very solid - albeit perhaps too defensive in their mindset. They are very difficult to break down, and the fact they only let two goals in in the whole tournament is quite extraodinary.
I think they might well improve when Kane moves on.3 -
The front page photos of Southgate comforting Saka exactly parallel Venables comforting Southgate 25 years ago.
ETA in fact I'm surprised the picture editors have not juxtaposed them.0 -
You certainly learnt that 18/09/14.StuartDickson said:After hubris comes nemesis.
Did you lose much money that night ?0 -
As I argued on previous thread. That is summat we'll never know.gealbhan said:It looked like Southgate had got lucky with his tactical change when enthused wing backs contrived a goal before any game plan could get going. But fact is, Southgate change to back five surrendered too much possession and territory. He should have kept a back 4 front 3 and replaced Mount with Henderson to go toe to toe with the Italians in the midfield, we would have created more chances that way, and that would have been our best chance of taking the win. Instead we spent too much of this game on back foot when we should have had more possession and chances of our own.
Can call it a great run, lots of fun, but truth is we haven’t sealed the deal with home advantage. Both the World Cup and this tournament fixtures opened up chance for a good run - true, we should be strong entery into next years WC, but we could meet a Belgium, France, Italy much sooner than semi and final.
This was an historic missed opportunity this evening.
Ticketless fans getting in, in the numbers they clearly have should be treated very seriously. That’s the type of thing that can create lots of deaths.
Horrid to see Saka so nervous when stepping up, and so broken at end.
But I reckon matching up with the Italians in midfield wouldn't have worked.
As they are simply better.
We did well to get to penalties. The best team in the tournament won.0 -
On the positive side, England really do have a whole array of world class talent (both in the squad and coming through) that hasn't really been true for donkeys years. The task is how to get the best of them in a single team.rcs1000 said:
Agreed.kle4 said:Good on the Metro for the right tone. A loss, but the future feels better as an England fan - now it will be a disappointment to go out early, rather than expectation.
The England team are very solid - albeit perhaps too defensive in their mindset. They are very difficult to break down, and the fact they only let two goals in in the whole tournament is quite extraodinary.
I think they might well improve when Kane moves on.
Foden, Sancho, Bellingham, Greenwood, Rashford, Saka, Hudson-Odoi, Mount, Curtis Jones to name a few.
The likes of Trent Alexander-Arnold are still only 22.2 -
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Look how deep Kane had to drop to find the ball. Against top class teams, England has had a problem getting the ball to its strikers ever since David Beckham retired.rcs1000 said:
Agreed.kle4 said:Good on the Metro for the right tone. A loss, but the future feels better as an England fan - now it will be a disappointment to go out early, rather than expectation.
The England team are very solid - albeit perhaps too defensive in their mindset. They are very difficult to break down, and the fact they only let two goals in in the whole tournament is quite extraodinary.
I think they might well improve when Kane moves on.0 -
I see someone got banned - who was that?
England did really better than most of us expected - can't win them all. Embarrassed by some of our fans though, even if Leon thinks them just being manly.1 -
And our goalie has 8 years plus.FrancisUrquhart said:
On the positive side, England really do have a whole array of world class talent (both in the squad and coming through) that hasn't really been true for donkeys years. The task is how to get the best of them in a single team.rcs1000 said:
Agreed.kle4 said:Good on the Metro for the right tone. A loss, but the future feels better as an England fan - now it will be a disappointment to go out early, rather than expectation.
The England team are very solid - albeit perhaps too defensive in their mindset. They are very difficult to break down, and the fact they only let two goals in in the whole tournament is quite extraodinary.
I think they might well improve when Kane moves on.
Foden, Sancho, Bellingham, Greenwood, Rashford, Saka, Hudson-Odoi, Mount, Curtis Jones to name a few.
The likes of Trent Alexander-Arnold are still only 22.0 -
I think if you're younger, you probably won't understand. But for anyone over the age of... well about 15 really... you're pretty much used to it.state_go_away said:Is anyone "gutted" ? i managed a "oh well" at the end .
I said the same. "Oh well. It was a very good run," told my daughter to get to bed and went and put the kettle on.7 -
The problem is Maguire and Stones are too slow against world class attackers, so they have to play 3 at the back and / or 2 holding midfielders (I should say I thought Rice was outstanding in the first half as more attack minded).DecrepiterJohnL said:
Look how deep Kane had to drop to find the ball. Against top class teams, England has had a problem getting the ball to its strikers ever since David Beckham retired.rcs1000 said:
Agreed.kle4 said:Good on the Metro for the right tone. A loss, but the future feels better as an England fan - now it will be a disappointment to go out early, rather than expectation.
The England team are very solid - albeit perhaps too defensive in their mindset. They are very difficult to break down, and the fact they only let two goals in in the whole tournament is quite extraodinary.
I think they might well improve when Kane moves on.
Hopefully somebody like Bellingham can be the player that become the link player or perhaps Trent Alexander Arnold.1 -
FUDHY I think. The mod said that if anyone screenshot his post and sent it to the media, he’d have to resign his seat.NickPalmer said:I see someone got banned - who was that?
England did really better than most of us expected - can't win them all. Embarrassed by some of our fans though, even if Leon thinks them just being manly.0 -
Oh well. I had a bet on 1-1 at end of normal time.0
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Italy deserved to win, they were the better team.
But Leeds Utd could have won it for England, if only Southgate had entrusted that fateful last penalty to the wondrous Kalvin Phillips.
Yours in wisdom, Marcelo Bielsa.1 -
No 55%StuartDickson said:After hubris comes nemesis.
Yes 45%0 -
Can't win them all? England haven't won a tournament for 55 years lol!NickPalmer said:I see someone got banned - who was that?
England did really better than most of us expected - can't win them all. Embarrassed by some of our fans though, even if Leon thinks them just being manly.0 -
Authentically European team: Win
Pathetically Knee Taking Marxist Wankers: Lose
Lesson there-1 -
If I may be immodest, I posted on 2 July that Italy would win the tournament. I did think, watching the first game of the tournament, they were in with a good chance. The more I saw of them the more likely it seemed to me.dixiedean said:
As I argued on previous thread. That is summat we'll never know.gealbhan said:It looked like Southgate had got lucky with his tactical change when enthused wing backs contrived a goal before any game plan could get going. But fact is, Southgate change to back five surrendered too much possession and territory. He should have kept a back 4 front 3 and replaced Mount with Henderson to go toe to toe with the Italians in the midfield, we would have created more chances that way, and that would have been our best chance of taking the win. Instead we spent too much of this game on back foot when we should have had more possession and chances of our own.
Can call it a great run, lots of fun, but truth is we haven’t sealed the deal with home advantage. Both the World Cup and this tournament fixtures opened up chance for a good run - true, we should be strong entery into next years WC, but we could meet a Belgium, France, Italy much sooner than semi and final.
This was an historic missed opportunity this evening.
Ticketless fans getting in, in the numbers they clearly have should be treated very seriously. That’s the type of thing that can create lots of deaths.
Horrid to see Saka so nervous when stepping up, and so broken at end.
But I reckon matching up with the Italians in midfield wouldn't have worked.
As they are simply better.
We did well to get to penalties. The best team in the tournament won.
It’s a shame I’m too much of a tight Yorkshireman to risk losing any brass by actually betting.
And it’s also a shame we just couldn’t get over the line. So proud of this England team.4 -
The lesson being that you were ordering another beer when Italy took the knee.Leon said:Authentically European team: Win
Pathetically Knee Taking Marxist Wankers: Lose
Lesson there7 -
Well done!rottenborough said:Oh well. I had a bet on 1-1 at end of normal time.
My family lost 1000 SEK, as my wife had England in the office sweepstake. She was pretty glum, but the rest of the household… wasn’t.1 -
Not what I saw. Just drove throughCorrectHorseBattery said:Glad I'm not in Central this evening, apparently it is grim grim grim
A lot of police, but the fans are mainly drifting home in the rain after the loser Southgate lost again1 -
Nah, bloke called borissomething. But let's not forget the first rule of fight club...StuartDickson said:
FUDHY I think. The mod said that if anyone screenshot his post and sent it to the media, he’d have to resign his seat.NickPalmer said:I see someone got banned - who was that?
England did really better than most of us expected - can't win them all. Embarrassed by some of our fans though, even if Leon thinks them just being manly.1 -
Draw at 90 minutes 2/1 or 9/4 was the obvious bet. Can't think why I didn't take it; I certainly meant to.rottenborough said:Oh well. I had a bet on 1-1 at end of normal time.
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I prefer to see a great game where the better team wins. I thought the game was dull. Not a patch on the Spain Italy game or even England Denmark. A very disappointing final. A great shame France or Belgium didn't get through. Great players and exciting teams. England flattered to deceive by not playing any of the better teams till the final. Germany are well past their bestPhilip_Thompson said:Damn right that they've done us proud. 🦁🦁🦁♥
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Improving the Yes vote from 28% to 45% was hardly nemesis.Sunil_Prasannan said:0 -
Don't think so. His post was crass but not red card material.StuartDickson said:
FUDHY I think. The mod said that if anyone screenshot his post and sent it to the media, he’d have to resign his seat.NickPalmer said:I see someone got banned - who was that?
England did really better than most of us expected - can't win them all. Embarrassed by some of our fans though, even if Leon thinks them just being manly.2 -
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Er, true. Still, there are 180 nations at last count, so if we win every 90 years we're beating the odds.GIN1138 said:
Can't win them all? England haven't won a tournament for 55 years lol!NickPalmer said:I see someone got banned - who was that?
England did really better than most of us expected - can't win them all. Embarrassed by some of our fans though, even if Leon thinks them just being manly.
Sort of.1 -
In what way are England not an “authentically European team”?Leon said:Authentically European team: Win
Pathetically Knee Taking Marxist Wankers: Lose
Lesson there0 -
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Should that not be 360 years ?NickPalmer said:
Er, true. Still, there are 180 nations at last count, so if we win every 90 years we're beating the odds.GIN1138 said:
Can't win them all? England haven't won a tournament for 55 years lol!NickPalmer said:I see someone got banned - who was that?
England did really better than most of us expected - can't win them all. Embarrassed by some of our fans though, even if Leon thinks them just being manly.
Sort of.0 -
Finals often are dull. Ironically, Italy were lucky to squeeze past Spain (on penalties) in the semi-final.Roger said:
I prefer to see a great game where the better team wins. I thought the game was dull. Not a patch on the Spain Italy game or even England Denmark. A very disappointing final. A great shame France or Belgium didn't get through. Great players and exciting teams. England flattered to deceive by not playing any of the better teams till the final. Germany are well past their bestPhilip_Thompson said:Damn right that they've done us proud. 🦁🦁🦁♥
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Will there be a new Pizza ad coming out?0
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Crickey I pretty enough agree with Roger.....does this mean I have to go and watch GB News for 24hrs as my punishment?Roger said:
I prefer to see a great game where the better team wins. I thought the game was dull. Not a patch on the Spain Italy game or even England Denmark. A very disappointing final. A great shame France or Belgium didn't get through. Great players and exciting teams. England flattered to deceive by not playing any of the better teams till the final. Germany are well past their bestPhilip_Thompson said:Damn right that they've done us proud. 🦁🦁🦁♥
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It's obviously different when you make it up inside your headLeon said:
Not what I saw. Just drove throughCorrectHorseBattery said:Glad I'm not in Central this evening, apparently it is grim grim grim
A lot of police, but the fans are mainly drifting home in the rain after the loser Southgate lost again2 -
Brexit innitStuartDickson said:
In what way are England not an “authentically European team”?Leon said:Authentically European team: Win
Pathetically Knee Taking Marxist Wankers: Lose
Lesson there0 -
Ah - didn't see that. I don't think I'd have squealed, not sure anyone would - as Leon said recently, we're a sort of family.StuartDickson said:
FUDHY I think. The mod said that if anyone screenshot his post and sent it to the media, he’d have to resign his seat.NickPalmer said:I see someone got banned - who was that?
England did really better than most of us expected - can't win them all. Embarrassed by some of our fans though, even if Leon thinks them just being manly.0 -
O/T
"Pin resets wipe all data from over 100 Treasury mobile phones
Permanent secretary Tom Scholar among those affected after entering incorrect passwords repeatedly"
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/jul/12/pin-resets-wipe-all-data-from-over-100-treasury-mobile-phones1 -
Ok, in that case I missed the post in question. But it does beg the question if FUDHY’s post was bad enough to force him to resign his seat, why was it insufficient to get him a PB ban?DecrepiterJohnL said:
Don't think so. His post was crass but not red card material.StuartDickson said:
FUDHY I think. The mod said that if anyone screenshot his post and sent it to the media, he’d have to resign his seat.NickPalmer said:I see someone got banned - who was that?
England did really better than most of us expected - can't win them all. Embarrassed by some of our fans though, even if Leon thinks them just being manly.0 -
Bur... I just did. I was in Hackney with mates watching the match, then I came home, via central London. Why on earth would I lie about that?!CorrectHorseBattery said:
It's obviously different when you make it up inside your headLeon said:
Not what I saw. Just drove throughCorrectHorseBattery said:Glad I'm not in Central this evening, apparently it is grim grim grim
A lot of police, but the fans are mainly drifting home in the rain after the loser Southgate lost again
Anecdote:
When Marcus Rashford came on to fuck everything up, the crowd in the pub launched into a sarcastic version of "Feed the World, let them know it's...." etc
When he did that terrible penalty, this was sung again with renewed and expressive vigour. And derision. This will haunt the rest of his career. Oh well. Them's the breaks0 -
Maybe all memory of our National Debt is gone? YippeeAndy_JS said:O/T
"Pin resets wipe all data from over 100 Treasury mobile phones
Permanent secretary Tom Scholar among those affected after entering incorrect passwords repeatedly"
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/jul/12/pin-resets-wipe-all-data-from-over-100-treasury-mobile-phones1 -
Much later even. Italy missed first in the penalties. We led that 2/1.Andy_JS said:Let's not forget England were still ahead with just 23 minutes to go.
You cannot come closer to winning a tournament without winning it than we have just done. Losing on the 10th and final kick of a penalty shootout in the final. Terrific performance by the team and the manager. And such a bummer.
I'm going to Whitstable.2 -
Yeah. Me too. We got the maximum out of our ability, helped by a favourable draw and no injuries. As @FrancisUrquhart points our we are young enough to go again.northern_monkey said:
If I may be immodest, I posted on 2 July that Italy would win the tournament. I did think, watching the first game of the tournament, they were in with a good chance. The more I saw of them the more likely it seemed to me.dixiedean said:
As I argued on previous thread. That is summat we'll never know.gealbhan said:It looked like Southgate had got lucky with his tactical change when enthused wing backs contrived a goal before any game plan could get going. But fact is, Southgate change to back five surrendered too much possession and territory. He should have kept a back 4 front 3 and replaced Mount with Henderson to go toe to toe with the Italians in the midfield, we would have created more chances that way, and that would have been our best chance of taking the win. Instead we spent too much of this game on back foot when we should have had more possession and chances of our own.
Can call it a great run, lots of fun, but truth is we haven’t sealed the deal with home advantage. Both the World Cup and this tournament fixtures opened up chance for a good run - true, we should be strong entery into next years WC, but we could meet a Belgium, France, Italy much sooner than semi and final.
This was an historic missed opportunity this evening.
Ticketless fans getting in, in the numbers they clearly have should be treated very seriously. That’s the type of thing that can create lots of deaths.
Horrid to see Saka so nervous when stepping up, and so broken at end.
But I reckon matching up with the Italians in midfield wouldn't have worked.
As they are simply better.
We did well to get to penalties. The best team in the tournament won.
It’s a shame I’m too much of a tight Yorkshireman to risk losing any brass by actually betting.
And it’s also a shame we just couldn’t get over the line. So proud of this England team.
There's no one in this side won't be around next year, or even 3 or 5 years time given a fair wind. You certainly can't say that about Italy, Belgium, Germany or Spain.1 -
The fact he caused the government of Boris Johnson some discomfort really has upset you hasn't it.Leon said:
Bur... I just did. I was in Hackney with mates watching the match, then I came home, via central London. Why on earth would I lie about that?!CorrectHorseBattery said:
It's obviously different when you make it up inside your headLeon said:
Not what I saw. Just drove throughCorrectHorseBattery said:Glad I'm not in Central this evening, apparently it is grim grim grim
A lot of police, but the fans are mainly drifting home in the rain after the loser Southgate lost again
Anecdote:
When Marcus Rashford came on to fuck everything up, the crowd in the pub launched into a sarcastic version of "Feed the World, let them know it's...." etc
When he did that terrible penalty, this was sung again with renewed and expressive vigour. And derision. This will haunt the rest of his career. Oh well. Them's the breaks6 -
Well, that's convenient. Embarrassing messages? Jut flub your password and IT will magic them away before the inquiry.Andy_JS said:O/T
"Pin resets wipe all data from over 100 Treasury mobile phones
Permanent secretary Tom Scholar among those affected after entering incorrect passwords repeatedly"
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/jul/12/pin-resets-wipe-all-data-from-over-100-treasury-mobile-phones1 -
Yes, it was a poor final. Italy deserved to winFrancisUrquhart said:
Crickey I pretty enough agree with Roger.....does this mean I have to go and watch GB News for 24hrs as my punishment?Roger said:
I prefer to see a great game where the better team wins. I thought the game was dull. Not a patch on the Spain Italy game or even England Denmark. A very disappointing final. A great shame France or Belgium didn't get through. Great players and exciting teams. England flattered to deceive by not playing any of the better teams till the final. Germany are well past their bestPhilip_Thompson said:Damn right that they've done us proud. 🦁🦁🦁♥
What concerns me is that England will keep Southgate blah blah blah
Why? He is tedious and defensive yet blessed with an amazing squad. Get rid. And he is now a confirmed jinx and penalty hoodoo-owner, If we have to keep losing, let us at least do it in style, not this nervous shite0 -
Huh? Does the result of a vote somehow change elementary geography? Democracy is far more powerful than I thought it was.state_go_away said:
Brexit innitStuartDickson said:
In what way are England not an “authentically European team”?Leon said:Authentically European team: Win
Pathetically Knee Taking Marxist Wankers: Lose
Lesson there
No, that’s not what Sean meant. We all know what he meant, and as usual with Sean it’s pretty repulsive.0 -
And then everyone cheered and the Albanian taxi driver...Leon said:
Bur... I just did. I was in Hackney with mates watching the match, then I came home, via central London. Why on earth would I lie about that?!CorrectHorseBattery said:
It's obviously different when you make it up inside your headLeon said:
Not what I saw. Just drove throughCorrectHorseBattery said:Glad I'm not in Central this evening, apparently it is grim grim grim
A lot of police, but the fans are mainly drifting home in the rain after the loser Southgate lost again
Anecdote:
When Marcus Rashford came on to fuck everything up, the crowd in the pub launched into a sarcastic version of "Feed the World, let them know it's...." etc
When he did that terrible penalty, this was sung again with renewed and expressive vigour. And derision. This will haunt the rest of his career. Oh well. Them's the breaks1 -
It wasn't, though it might not help his Westminster chances. Basically he linked Rashford's penalty miss with his free school meals campaigning. Notwithstanding there is no conceivable link, even Dominic Cummings thought HMG was on the wrong side of history.StuartDickson said:
Ok, in that case I missed the post in question. But it does beg the question if FUDHY’s post was bad enough to force him to resign his seat, why was it insufficient to get him a PB ban?DecrepiterJohnL said:
Don't think so. His post was crass but not red card material.StuartDickson said:
FUDHY I think. The mod said that if anyone screenshot his post and sent it to the media, he’d have to resign his seat.NickPalmer said:I see someone got banned - who was that?
England did really better than most of us expected - can't win them all. Embarrassed by some of our fans though, even if Leon thinks them just being manly.0 -
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I think you've had one too many tonight squire.Leon said:
Bur... I just did. I was in Hackney with mates watching the match, then I came home, via central London. Why on earth would I lie about that?!CorrectHorseBattery said:
It's obviously different when you make it up inside your headLeon said:
Not what I saw. Just drove throughCorrectHorseBattery said:Glad I'm not in Central this evening, apparently it is grim grim grim
A lot of police, but the fans are mainly drifting home in the rain after the loser Southgate lost again
Anecdote:
When Marcus Rashford came on to fuck everything up, the crowd in the pub launched into a sarcastic version of "Feed the World, let them know it's...." etc
When he did that terrible penalty, this was sung again with renewed and expressive vigour. And derision. This will haunt the rest of his career. Oh well. Them's the breaks1 -
But... that penalty.Stark_Dawning said:
The fact he caused the government of Boris Johnson some discomfort really has upset you hasn't it.Leon said:
Bur... I just did. I was in Hackney with mates watching the match, then I came home, via central London. Why on earth would I lie about that?!CorrectHorseBattery said:
It's obviously different when you make it up inside your headLeon said:
Not what I saw. Just drove throughCorrectHorseBattery said:Glad I'm not in Central this evening, apparently it is grim grim grim
A lot of police, but the fans are mainly drifting home in the rain after the loser Southgate lost again
Anecdote:
When Marcus Rashford came on to fuck everything up, the crowd in the pub launched into a sarcastic version of "Feed the World, let them know it's...." etc
When he did that terrible penalty, this was sung again with renewed and expressive vigour. And derision. This will haunt the rest of his career. Oh well. Them's the breaks
We all saw it0 -
Stop boring me. I mean it.Leon said:
Yes, it was a poor final. Italy deserved to winFrancisUrquhart said:
Crickey I pretty enough agree with Roger.....does this mean I have to go and watch GB News for 24hrs as my punishment?Roger said:
I prefer to see a great game where the better team wins. I thought the game was dull. Not a patch on the Spain Italy game or even England Denmark. A very disappointing final. A great shame France or Belgium didn't get through. Great players and exciting teams. England flattered to deceive by not playing any of the better teams till the final. Germany are well past their bestPhilip_Thompson said:Damn right that they've done us proud. 🦁🦁🦁♥
What concerns me is that England will keep Southgate blah blah blah
Why? He is tedious and defensive yet blessed with an amazing squad. Get rid. And he is now a confirmed jinx and penalty hoodoo-owner, If we have to keep losing, let us at least do it in style, not this nervous shite0 -
Ooh. What will you do?!kinabalu said:
Stop boring me. I mean it.Leon said:
Yes, it was a poor final. Italy deserved to winFrancisUrquhart said:
Crickey I pretty enough agree with Roger.....does this mean I have to go and watch GB News for 24hrs as my punishment?Roger said:
I prefer to see a great game where the better team wins. I thought the game was dull. Not a patch on the Spain Italy game or even England Denmark. A very disappointing final. A great shame France or Belgium didn't get through. Great players and exciting teams. England flattered to deceive by not playing any of the better teams till the final. Germany are well past their bestPhilip_Thompson said:Damn right that they've done us proud. 🦁🦁🦁♥
What concerns me is that England will keep Southgate blah blah blah
Why? He is tedious and defensive yet blessed with an amazing squad. Get rid. And he is now a confirmed jinx and penalty hoodoo-owner, If we have to keep losing, let us at least do it in style, not this nervous shite0 -
Some idiot screenshotted it.StuartDickson said:
Ok, in that case I missed the post in question. But it does beg the question if FUDHY’s post was bad enough to force him to resign his seat, why was it insufficient to get him a PB ban?DecrepiterJohnL said:
Don't think so. His post was crass but not red card material.StuartDickson said:
FUDHY I think. The mod said that if anyone screenshot his post and sent it to the media, he’d have to resign his seat.NickPalmer said:I see someone got banned - who was that?
England did really better than most of us expected - can't win them all. Embarrassed by some of our fans though, even if Leon thinks them just being manly.
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Horrible.gealbhan said:It looked like Southgate had got lucky with his tactical change when enthused wing backs contrived a goal before any game plan could get going. But fact is, Southgate change to back five surrendered too much possession and territory. He should have kept a back 4 front 3 and replaced Mount with Henderson to go toe to toe with the Italians in the midfield, we would have created more chances that way, and that would have been our best chance of taking the win. Instead we spent too much of this game on back foot when we should have had more possession and chances of our own.
Can call it a great run, lots of fun, but truth is we haven’t sealed the deal with home advantage. Both the World Cup and this tournament fixtures opened up chance for a good run - true, we should be strong entery into next years WC, but we could meet a Belgium, France, Italy much sooner than semi and final.
This was an historic missed opportunity this evening.
Ticketless fans getting in, in the numbers they clearly have should be treated very seriously. That’s the type of thing that can create lots of deaths.
Horrid to see Saka so nervous when stepping up, and so broken at end.
It seems obvious that the players who are the best at penalties in training are not necessarily the players who will be the best at penalties in the horrendous situation of a shoot-out. You can't replicate it realistically in advance.
Maybe it would be better to give them to players who contributed something to the match, so that they aren't defined by a single kick. Someone like Shaw, in this instance. Coming on just to kick the ball once seems like an awful burden.1 -
It was that "Borisatsun" character one hopes. A truly grim specimen.DecrepiterJohnL said:
Don't think so. His post was crass but not red card material.StuartDickson said:
FUDHY I think. The mod said that if anyone screenshot his post and sent it to the media, he’d have to resign his seat.NickPalmer said:I see someone got banned - who was that?
England did really better than most of us expected - can't win them all. Embarrassed by some of our fans though, even if Leon thinks them just being manly.1 -
"Correspondent’s diary
A night to forget: among the English fans that embarrass their country
Our correspondent donned red to cheer Denmark at Wembley stadium. For that he got middle fingers, mimed masturbation, then a punch"
https://www.economist.com/diary/2021/07/09/a-night-to-forget-the-english-fans-that-embarrass-their-country0 -
World Cup next year. No time for a change and no obvious candidate.Leon said:
Yes, it was a poor final. Italy deserved to winFrancisUrquhart said:
Crickey I pretty enough agree with Roger.....does this mean I have to go and watch GB News for 24hrs as my punishment?Roger said:
I prefer to see a great game where the better team wins. I thought the game was dull. Not a patch on the Spain Italy game or even England Denmark. A very disappointing final. A great shame France or Belgium didn't get through. Great players and exciting teams. England flattered to deceive by not playing any of the better teams till the final. Germany are well past their bestPhilip_Thompson said:Damn right that they've done us proud. 🦁🦁🦁♥
What concerns me is that England will keep Southgate blah blah blah
Why? He is tedious and defensive yet blessed with an amazing squad. Get rid. And he is now a confirmed jinx and penalty hoodoo-owner, If we have to keep losing, let us at least do it in style, not this nervous shite0 -
My twitter timeline is now starting to fill with videos of and reports of fighting / stabbing / throwing people in the Thames in London....0
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Yes, it was, and it was.kinabalu said:
It was that "Borisatsun" character one hopes. A truly grim specimen.DecrepiterJohnL said:
Don't think so. His post was crass but not red card material.StuartDickson said:
FUDHY I think. The mod said that if anyone screenshot his post and sent it to the media, he’d have to resign his seat.NickPalmer said:I see someone got banned - who was that?
England did really better than most of us expected - can't win them all. Embarrassed by some of our fans though, even if Leon thinks them just being manly.1 -
It's true! The Tredegar, Hackney, I saw it wiv my own eyesPhilip_Thompson said:
And then everyone cheered and the Albanian taxi driver...Leon said:
Bur... I just did. I was in Hackney with mates watching the match, then I came home, via central London. Why on earth would I lie about that?!CorrectHorseBattery said:
It's obviously different when you make it up inside your headLeon said:
Not what I saw. Just drove throughCorrectHorseBattery said:Glad I'm not in Central this evening, apparently it is grim grim grim
A lot of police, but the fans are mainly drifting home in the rain after the loser Southgate lost again
Anecdote:
When Marcus Rashford came on to fuck everything up, the crowd in the pub launched into a sarcastic version of "Feed the World, let them know it's...." etc
When he did that terrible penalty, this was sung again with renewed and expressive vigour. And derision. This will haunt the rest of his career. Oh well. Them's the breaks
https://thelordtredegar.co.uk/
To be fair it was a pretty good natured crowd that took defeat well. They were barracking all the penalty missers in different creative ways. Then everyone went home in a subdued fashion
We have all been here before. At least the Union is saved3 -
About a third of UK debt is held overseas, so you’d better hope that a lot of Russian, Chinese and Yankee twats also entered the wrong pin code four times in a row.state_go_away said:
Maybe all memory of our National Debt is gone? YippeeAndy_JS said:O/T
"Pin resets wipe all data from over 100 Treasury mobile phones
Permanent secretary Tom Scholar among those affected after entering incorrect passwords repeatedly"
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/jul/12/pin-resets-wipe-all-data-from-over-100-treasury-mobile-phones0 -
Leon was claiming taking the knee was an act of team building genius the other day.kinabalu said:
That's really boring. Seriously, it is.Leon said:Authentically European team: Win
Pathetically Knee Taking Marxist Wankers: Lose
Lesson there
Very erudite, great writer, but more faces than the town hall clock. The boy’s all over the fucking place. If we’d won he’d be singing the Internationale.8 -
Go to Whitstable.Leon said:
Ooh. What will you do?!kinabalu said:
Stop boring me. I mean it.Leon said:
Yes, it was a poor final. Italy deserved to winFrancisUrquhart said:
Crickey I pretty enough agree with Roger.....does this mean I have to go and watch GB News for 24hrs as my punishment?Roger said:
I prefer to see a great game where the better team wins. I thought the game was dull. Not a patch on the Spain Italy game or even England Denmark. A very disappointing final. A great shame France or Belgium didn't get through. Great players and exciting teams. England flattered to deceive by not playing any of the better teams till the final. Germany are well past their bestPhilip_Thompson said:Damn right that they've done us proud. 🦁🦁🦁♥
What concerns me is that England will keep Southgate blah blah blah
Why? He is tedious and defensive yet blessed with an amazing squad. Get rid. And he is now a confirmed jinx and penalty hoodoo-owner, If we have to keep losing, let us at least do it in style, not this nervous shite
But seriously, shit is fine if it's entertaining or original. This is just shit.0 -
Why on Earth would anyone in their right mind be considering changing the 2nd most successful England manager in history?DecrepiterJohnL said:
World Cup next year. No time for a change and no obvious candidate.Leon said:
Yes, it was a poor final. Italy deserved to winFrancisUrquhart said:
Crickey I pretty enough agree with Roger.....does this mean I have to go and watch GB News for 24hrs as my punishment?Roger said:
I prefer to see a great game where the better team wins. I thought the game was dull. Not a patch on the Spain Italy game or even England Denmark. A very disappointing final. A great shame France or Belgium didn't get through. Great players and exciting teams. England flattered to deceive by not playing any of the better teams till the final. Germany are well past their bestPhilip_Thompson said:Damn right that they've done us proud. 🦁🦁🦁♥
What concerns me is that England will keep Southgate blah blah blah
Why? He is tedious and defensive yet blessed with an amazing squad. Get rid. And he is now a confirmed jinx and penalty hoodoo-owner, If we have to keep losing, let us at least do it in style, not this nervous shite
Apart from him not being overtly right wing enough, that is?0 -
I assumed it was him.kinabalu said:
It was that "Borisatsun" character one hopes. A truly grim specimen.DecrepiterJohnL said:
Don't think so. His post was crass but not red card material.StuartDickson said:
FUDHY I think. The mod said that if anyone screenshot his post and sent it to the media, he’d have to resign his seat.NickPalmer said:I see someone got banned - who was that?
England did really better than most of us expected - can't win them all. Embarrassed by some of our fans though, even if Leon thinks them just being manly.1 -
I think his problem was more who he failed to play on the right wing ;-)dixiedean said:
Why on Earth would anyone in their right mind be considering changing the 2nd most successful England manager in history?DecrepiterJohnL said:
World Cup next year. No time for a change and no obvious candidate.Leon said:
Yes, it was a poor final. Italy deserved to winFrancisUrquhart said:
Crickey I pretty enough agree with Roger.....does this mean I have to go and watch GB News for 24hrs as my punishment?Roger said:
I prefer to see a great game where the better team wins. I thought the game was dull. Not a patch on the Spain Italy game or even England Denmark. A very disappointing final. A great shame France or Belgium didn't get through. Great players and exciting teams. England flattered to deceive by not playing any of the better teams till the final. Germany are well past their bestPhilip_Thompson said:Damn right that they've done us proud. 🦁🦁🦁♥
What concerns me is that England will keep Southgate blah blah blah
Why? He is tedious and defensive yet blessed with an amazing squad. Get rid. And he is now a confirmed jinx and penalty hoodoo-owner, If we have to keep losing, let us at least do it in style, not this nervous shite
Apart from him not being overtly right wing enough, that is?1 -
I wish you wankers had the bottle to actually fuck off and leave the UK. Sadly you didn't and we're stuck with the stench of a dead country that can't find its own dick because it's fallen off.StuartDickson said:0 -
Doesn't sound good. This reminds of the ugliness in the aftermath of Italia 90 and Euro 96. We still have a fan problem hanging onto the coat-tails of England in this country, unfortunately. There was progress at the end of the '90s and early 2000s, but it seems as if the FA are going to have to get back to work again in trying to change our fan culture, and who follows the England team. You couldn't ask for much more from the team itself.FrancisUrquhart said:My twitter timeline is now starting to fill with videos of and reports of fighting / stabbing / throwing people in the Thames in London....
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Being so young and inexperienced will not have helped either. The main thing, though, was probably just to make the substitutions earlier. The players would then have got into the game and might even have meant we did not need penalties. Italy certainly seemed to benefit from fresh legs.Flatlander said:
Horrible.gealbhan said:It looked like Southgate had got lucky with his tactical change when enthused wing backs contrived a goal before any game plan could get going. But fact is, Southgate change to back five surrendered too much possession and territory. He should have kept a back 4 front 3 and replaced Mount with Henderson to go toe to toe with the Italians in the midfield, we would have created more chances that way, and that would have been our best chance of taking the win. Instead we spent too much of this game on back foot when we should have had more possession and chances of our own.
Can call it a great run, lots of fun, but truth is we haven’t sealed the deal with home advantage. Both the World Cup and this tournament fixtures opened up chance for a good run - true, we should be strong entery into next years WC, but we could meet a Belgium, France, Italy much sooner than semi and final.
This was an historic missed opportunity this evening.
Ticketless fans getting in, in the numbers they clearly have should be treated very seriously. That’s the type of thing that can create lots of deaths.
Horrid to see Saka so nervous when stepping up, and so broken at end.
It seems obvious that the players who are the best at penalties in training are not necessarily the players who will be the best at penalties in the horrendous situation of a shoot-out. You can't replicate it realistically in advance.
Maybe it would be better to give them to players who contributed something to the match, so that they aren't defined by a single kick. Someone like Shaw, in this instance. Coming on just to kick the ball once seems like an awful burden.2 -
Behind the fireworks prose and the awesome knowledge of people & places there radiates an essential dimness.northern_monkey said:
Leon was claiming taking the knee was an act of team building genius the other day.kinabalu said:
That's really boring. Seriously, it is.Leon said:Authentically European team: Win
Pathetically Knee Taking Marxist Wankers: Lose
Lesson there
Very erudite, great writer, but more faces than the town hall clock. The boy’s all over the fucking place. If we’d won he’d be singing the Internationale.
Anyway ... Whitstable.
Take care chaps.1 -
Its hard to judge...lots of fake news / "game of telephone" on twitter, but there is definitely 4 videos I have seen of groups fighting, which I have no reason to doubt are from now.WhisperingOracle said:
Doesn't sound good. That reminds of the ugliness in the aftermath of Italia 90, and Euro 96. England still have a fan problem.FrancisUrquhart said:My twitter timeline is now starting to fill with videos of and reports of fighting / stabbing / throwing people in the Thames in London....
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As someone once said, "Just rejoice!"
We went toe to toe with the best team in the tournament for 120 minutes.
And we are younger than them. We go again. It isn't about politics, it's about football.5 -
One of the advantages of age is that "sporting defeat" means less, and less, as the years go by. It is just life.
On my table in that Hackney pub was a younger woman who was just inconsolable, having been recently introduced to, and enthused, by English football, she was utterly convinced we would win
I tried to solace her but in the end you just have to take the scars, until you are an old git like me who has seen it all before, and it bounces off
We should sack Southgate, however. Do not reward failure
Night night
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HYUFD's post doesn't sound a hanging offence to me. Just dumb point-scoring.
But yes, some of our fans are disgusting.6 -
Indeed, although I wouldn't have had Rashford at right back for too long.DecrepiterJohnL said:
Being so young and inexperienced will not have helped either. The main thing, though, was probably just to make the substitutions earlier. The players would then have got into the game and might even have meant we did not need penalties. Italy certainly seemed to benefit from fresh legs.Flatlander said:
Horrible.gealbhan said:It looked like Southgate had got lucky with his tactical change when enthused wing backs contrived a goal before any game plan could get going. But fact is, Southgate change to back five surrendered too much possession and territory. He should have kept a back 4 front 3 and replaced Mount with Henderson to go toe to toe with the Italians in the midfield, we would have created more chances that way, and that would have been our best chance of taking the win. Instead we spent too much of this game on back foot when we should have had more possession and chances of our own.
Can call it a great run, lots of fun, but truth is we haven’t sealed the deal with home advantage. Both the World Cup and this tournament fixtures opened up chance for a good run - true, we should be strong entery into next years WC, but we could meet a Belgium, France, Italy much sooner than semi and final.
This was an historic missed opportunity this evening.
Ticketless fans getting in, in the numbers they clearly have should be treated very seriously. That’s the type of thing that can create lots of deaths.
Horrid to see Saka so nervous when stepping up, and so broken at end.
It seems obvious that the players who are the best at penalties in training are not necessarily the players who will be the best at penalties in the horrendous situation of a shoot-out. You can't replicate it realistically in advance.
Maybe it would be better to give them to players who contributed something to the match, so that they aren't defined by a single kick. Someone like Shaw, in this instance. Coming on just to kick the ball once seems like an awful burden.
I didn't understand his penalty either. Surely when under pressure the fewer moving parts you have the better. It is all very well doing that on the training pitch.
Watch how a golfer selects shots under pressure. Do the simple thing, don't overcomplicate.
Still, they've kept us entertained for a month in a pandemic. You can't fault them for that.
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‘We should sack Southgate, however. Do not reward failure’Leon said:One of the advantages of age is that "sporting defeat" means less, and less, as the years go by. It is just life.
On my table in that Hackney pub was a younger woman who was just inconsolable, having been recently introduced to, and enthused, by English football, she was utterly convinced we would win
I tried to solace her but in the end you just have to take the scars, until you are an old git like me who has seen it all before, and it bounces off
We should sack Southgate, however. Do not reward failure
Night night
Most successful England manager since Alf Ramsey. Young team, who seem to think the world of Southgate, who have got years of development and potential ahead of them. Playing with style and a confidence that doesn’t make you feel like it could all fall apart at any minute.
Sack Southgate. Jesus.
Edit: I’d love to have a pint with you though Leon, I bet in real life you’re a fucking diamond.2 -
The fewer moving parts the better.Flatlander said:
Indeed, although I wouldn't have had Rashford at right back for too long.DecrepiterJohnL said:
Being so young and inexperienced will not have helped either. The main thing, though, was probably just to make the substitutions earlier. The players would then have got into the game and might even have meant we did not need penalties. Italy certainly seemed to benefit from fresh legs.Flatlander said:
Horrible.gealbhan said:It looked like Southgate had got lucky with his tactical change when enthused wing backs contrived a goal before any game plan could get going. But fact is, Southgate change to back five surrendered too much possession and territory. He should have kept a back 4 front 3 and replaced Mount with Henderson to go toe to toe with the Italians in the midfield, we would have created more chances that way, and that would have been our best chance of taking the win. Instead we spent too much of this game on back foot when we should have had more possession and chances of our own.
Can call it a great run, lots of fun, but truth is we haven’t sealed the deal with home advantage. Both the World Cup and this tournament fixtures opened up chance for a good run - true, we should be strong entery into next years WC, but we could meet a Belgium, France, Italy much sooner than semi and final.
This was an historic missed opportunity this evening.
Ticketless fans getting in, in the numbers they clearly have should be treated very seriously. That’s the type of thing that can create lots of deaths.
Horrid to see Saka so nervous when stepping up, and so broken at end.
It seems obvious that the players who are the best at penalties in training are not necessarily the players who will be the best at penalties in the horrendous situation of a shoot-out. You can't replicate it realistically in advance.
Maybe it would be better to give them to players who contributed something to the match, so that they aren't defined by a single kick. Someone like Shaw, in this instance. Coming on just to kick the ball once seems like an awful burden.
I didn't understand his penalty either. Surely when under pressure the fewer moving parts you have the better. It is all very well doing that on the training pitch.
Still, they've kept us entertained for a month in a pandemic. You can't fault them for that.
Must say it was fascinating to compare goalies.
Pickford was a hyperactive Duracell bunny.
Donnarumma a Zen like still.
2 saves each.0 -
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