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  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,874
    edited July 2021

    HYUFD said:

    From the Manchester Evening News

    Conservative MP Natalie Elphicke has apologised after saying Marcus Rashford should have spent more time perfecting his game than playing politics

    BBC said the Dover MP has now apologised saying last night I shared the frustration and heartbreak of millions of England fans

    'I regret messaging privately a rash reaction about Marcus Rashford's missed penalty and apologise to him for any suggestion that he is not fully focused on football'

    Our own @HYUFD said the same objectionable comments and it is time for him to make his own apology

    I am so sorry for Rashford , Sancho and Saka for missing their spot kicks and need to have the love and understanding of our nation, not bigots and idiots making unacceptable comments either on here or on the media generally

    It was pleasing to see how all the England players hugged their colleagues in distress, in marked contrast to Mbappe colleagues who virtually shunned him when he missed his penalty for France

    Ever decent person in the country should have great love and affection for England, it's management and players as they look to grow together over the years into a great side

    And well done Gareth Southgate
    Yes I may have made a cheap point and said so too but there is no doubt a lot of Tories have felt Rashford has spent too much time campaigning on a political line they disagree with.

    As I posted earlier 47% of Tory voters disagreed with Rashford's campaign for free school meals to be extended to the holidays to only 40% in favour
    https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1317126424587833344?s=20
    You always need to qualify your statements

    Why not be like Natalie Elphicke who has made a straightforward unqualified apology for the same thoughtless comments
    Elphicke only apologised because of her high profile as an MP and the storm around it from the left on twitter, she would not have made the comment in the first place if she did not think it and as I have just posted many if not most of her Tory voters will have backed her in opposing Rashford's campaign as that Yougov polling data shows
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,368
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    I am convinced HYUFD is an MP.

    God your an idiot sometimes....it isn't a secret who he is, he is open about it on here.
    “Sometimes”?
    I've always been respectful to you after I understood the circumstances you're in so I would really appreciate the same from you.

    We don't have to agree on anything - but there's no need to behave like this.
    lol. What ‘circumstances’?
    Leon I'm not going to go into revealing it as I know it's a private matter for you. I do that out of respect but you're really pushing my buttons today.
    No, please tell, you ludicrous prick
    Started early today, or still the effects of last night's pub visit?
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 41,950
    I see outraged statue protectors are just fine with certain types of defacement.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 28,895
    SandraMc said:

    We have now had 3 threads in a row about football. I personally find the issues raised by Cyclefree about sexism in the police far more interesting - and disturbing.

    Indeed. Compare and contrast the Met's treatment of the Sarah Laurence vigil with the football yesterday.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,850

    kle4 said:

    Tory MP Natalie Elphicke is forced into grovelling climbdown after saying Marcus Rashford should have practised taking penalties instead of 'playing politics' by campaigning for free school meals

    The odd thing, is this is almost word for word what one user said here last night, somebody we know is a member of the Tory Party and I believe an elected representative. Is this a line going around CCHQ?

    A dumb line if so. It doesn't even work on a practical level since its hard to accept they genuinely believe a whole bunch of campaigning mostly some time ago, has affected his ability to take penalties as he has been in training every day for a month. So it just comes across as petty complaint about a battle that was already conceded by the PM, why reopen it?

    As to whether it is a line, I'd suspect it's more just multiple people thinking it is such a clever and killer line that it must be shared with the world, then finding out it isn't very clever at all.

    Happens with my comments a lot.
    According to JoB, it was posted just after 11.

    HYUFD posted just after 11, the same thing.
    I expect one person said it and the others cut and pasted it from their Whatsapp group. (Showing my age there: cut rather than copy and pasted.)
    An interesting point, when did it become copy and paste?
    I'd imagine cut-and-paste morphed into copy-and-paste when computer typesetting and or word processing passed into the hands of non-specialists. Possibly even in the hands of experienced editors and typographers since cut and copy became two distinct operations. So the answer is, I don't know but I'm blaming computers.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 28,895

    I am convinced HYUFD is an MP.

    Going off his Essicksinnit locale and "fuck the poor" opinions he must be Iain Duncan Smith
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    MattW said:

    kle4 said:

    I must say, the racist tweets I saw quoted by Sunder Katwala this morning really don't sound like they were written by English people.

    If you wanted to sow division and hatred in a country, this is the kind of thing you would do, isn't it?

    I think its been established before that even a lot of things that seem like they must be by bots, for example, often are not. Simplest explanation is usually the best, and conspiracy is not the simplest.
    It was probably said by people.

    Just not by English people.

    Look at the language. English people don't speak like that.

    What proof do you have the perpetrators were English people...?
    A New Age airhead has defaced a mural of Marcus Rashford with a howl of meaningless psychobabble. No proper Englishman could utter a sentence like that:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-57803161
    (For the record, Horse, yes obvs I condemn this).

    However it will be interesting to see where the media / commentators take this - most media reports are going for the 'this is so offensive we have blocked it out of the picture and won't discuss the content with you' method, as the Today programme used to do before they spent 6 minutes discussing how outrageous twitter had become.

    'Racially aggravated damage' ?
    https://theathletic.com/news/marcus-rashford-euro-2020-england/R45W1PIU6IHR

    It is a picture of a cock 'n' balls.



    I can see them going for RAD due to indirect reasons, however.
    Given how much of the mural is currently covered up I don't think that is the graffiti in question.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    MattW said:

    kle4 said:

    I must say, the racist tweets I saw quoted by Sunder Katwala this morning really don't sound like they were written by English people.

    If you wanted to sow division and hatred in a country, this is the kind of thing you would do, isn't it?

    I think its been established before that even a lot of things that seem like they must be by bots, for example, often are not. Simplest explanation is usually the best, and conspiracy is not the simplest.
    It was probably said by people.

    Just not by English people.

    Look at the language. English people don't speak like that.

    What proof do you have the perpetrators were English people...?
    A New Age airhead has defaced a mural of Marcus Rashford with a howl of meaningless psychobabble. No proper Englishman could utter a sentence like that:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-57803161
    (For the record, Horse, yes obvs I condemn this).

    However it will be interesting to see where the media / commentators take this - most media reports are going for the 'this is so offensive we have blocked it out of the picture and won't discuss the content with you' method, as the Today programme used to do before they spent 6 minutes discussing how outrageous twitter had become.

    'Racially aggravated damage' ?
    https://theathletic.com/news/marcus-rashford-euro-2020-england/R45W1PIU6IHR

    It is a picture of a cock 'n' balls.



    I can see them going for RAD due to indirect reasons, however.
    Given how much of the mural is currently covered up I don't think that is the graffiti in question.
  • StockyStocky Posts: 10,211
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    From the Manchester Evening News

    Conservative MP Natalie Elphicke has apologised after saying Marcus Rashford should have spent more time perfecting his game than playing politics

    BBC said the Dover MP has now apologised saying last night I shared the frustration and heartbreak of millions of England fans

    'I regret messaging privately a rash reaction about Marcus Rashford's missed penalty and apologise to him for any suggestion that he is not fully focused on football'

    Our own @HYUFD said the same objectionable comments and it is time for him to make his own apology

    I am so sorry for Rashford , Sancho and Saka for missing their spot kicks and need to have the love and understanding of our nation, not bigots and idiots making unacceptable comments either on here or on the media generally

    It was pleasing to see how all the England players hugged their colleagues in distress, in marked contrast to Mbappe colleagues who virtually shunned him when he missed his penalty for France

    Ever decent person in the country should have great love and affection for England, it's management and players as they look to grow together over the years into a great side

    And well done Gareth Southgate
    Yes I may have made a cheap point and said so too but there is no doubt a lot of Tories have felt Rashford has spent too much time campaigning on a political line they disagree with.

    As I posted earlier 47% of Tory voters disagreed with Rashford's campaign for free school meals to be extended to the holidays to only 40% in favour
    https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1317126424587833344?s=20
    You always need to qualify your statements

    Why not be like Natalie Elphicke who has made a straightforward unqualified apology for the same thoughtless comments
    Elphicke only apologised because of her high profile as an MP and the storm around it from the left on twitter, she would not have made the comment in the first place if she did not think it and as I have just posted many if not most of her Tory voters will have backed her in opposing Rashford's campaign as that Yougov polling data shows
    Freedom of speech bites the dust again
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,309
    Stocky said:

    @isam has been banned again. Why this time?

    He's surely the site's bad boy - overtakes Malcy who needs to up his game @malcolmg

    @Stocky I am a reformed character, I did too much time in the sin bin or else whoever had a beef against me has given up.
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