At Batley and Spen Starmer’s LAB did something that the Tories haven’t managed since 2016… – politic
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Another great result for Lab. They managed to retain their position in the top 5
OK they were first previously and they did go from over 40% to 4.4% but i am sure Mike will manage to turn it into a total triumph in a future thread
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St Neots East (Huntingdonshire), council by-election result:
IND: 42.5% (+42.5)
GRN: 33.4% (+33.4)
LDEM: 11.6% (-15.9)
CON: 8.0% (-24.0)
LAB: 4.4% (-36.0)
Independent GAIN from Labour.0 -
How are the "Covid passports" to be enforced?HYUFD said:Government now moving towards requiring Covid passports for entry to pubs and clubs and restaurants to boost vaccination rates amongst the young and masks also likely to still be required on public transport as 'Freedom Day' on July 19th comes with clear caveats, especially for the non vaccinated given only the double vaccinated can travel quarantine free too to amber list nations
Is my cafe in the Barking Road going to insist on checking everyone? Completely and stupefyingly daft even by the standards of the Government you so loyally support.
Masks on public transport? Fine - I'll wear one if it's the law but again how and will this be enforced? You can't on the one hand argue for personal responsibility (echoes of one of your greatest leaders) and then start talking about petty unenforceable rules and regulations.
For a Party that talks about "freedom" and "individual responsibility", the modern Conservative Party seems in love with the "nanny State" (makes a change from the nanny I suppose).0 -
Or is it? Johnson has yet to make the actual decision, which is promised for the 12th. Given that he sees nothing in the data that warrants changing his view that we fully reopen and that he is not wonky shopping trolley, I can't help feeling a decision not to go ahead on 19th will be slipped in whilst we all have hangovers.JohnLilburne said:
It's Freedom Day. Half the country will be pissed anyway.Benpointer said:
It's totally f*cking ridiculous.Foxy said:
The BH is planned for the 19th, supposedly, so 7 days notice for my admin staff to cancel the clinics.Philip_Thompson said:
Its absolutely delusional. Anyone suggesting it couldn't possibly have any real world business experience. There's not a chance in hell a bank holiday can be organised in 10 hours notice.justin124 said:I must say that the hysterical demands for a Bank Holiday are beginning to shift me from not giving a damn to hoping for a win for Italy.
I want England to win as much as anyone but winning the Euros does not merit a Bank Holiday.
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You've confused me there - new moon is tomorrow. What am I missing?TheScreamingEagles said:
Well the 20th will be the proper Eid, as the new moon gets sighted on the 19th.ydoethur said:
Eid ul Adha begins on that day as well, of course.JohnLilburne said:
If it goes ahead, July 19 might be a bit of an unofficial bank holidayjustin124 said:
It would be an appalling precedent too - leading to pressure on future Governments whenever GB or one of its components triumphed in a sports competition - eg the Rugby World Cup - Cricket World Cup etc. There was no Bank Holiday granted in July 1966 in respect of a much more meaningful event.Philip_Thompson said:
Its absolutely delusional. Anyone suggesting it couldn't possibly have any real world business experience. There's not a chance in hell a bank holiday can be organised in 10 hours notice.justin124 said:I must say that the hysterical demands for a Bank Holiday are beginning to shift me from not giving a damn to hoping for a win for Italy.
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FrancisUrquhart said:
Covid passports from the autumn....face palm...that will do the trick...HYUFD said:Government now moving towards requiring Covid passports for entry to pubs and clubs and restaurants to boost vaccination rates amongst the young and masks also likely to still be required on public transport as 'Freedom Day' on July 19th comes with clear caveats, especially for the non vaccinated given only the double vaccinated can travel quarantine free too to amber list nations
https://twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/status/1413599764013277185?s=20
https://twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/status/1413571760167993346?s=20
The mask wearing on public transport is so bleeding obvious.
Adam Brooks
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No chance our industry will accept EVER.
Just for your guide
@GOVUK
We would fight you in the Courts, by non compliance and any other means we can.
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@alanvibe
#OpenForAll
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It was an absolutely inane suggestion and he laughed it off and said he didn't want to tempt fate, which is a polite way to say no. That should have been the end of the issue, but then Sky wanted to play it up.Benpointer said:
AIUI Johnson had a chance to quash the rumour and, not surprisingly, flunked it.Philip_Thompson said:
Its absolutely delusional. Anyone suggesting it couldn't possibly have any real world business experience. There's not a chance in hell a bank holiday can be organised in 10 hours notice.justin124 said:I must say that the hysterical demands for a Bank Holiday are beginning to shift me from not giving a damn to hoping for a win for Italy.
https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/12351740/euro-2020-prime-minister-boris-johnson-tight-lipped-on-calls-for-emergency-bank-holiday-should-england-win-final0 -
Did she leave you because of your hatred of pineapple on pizza?TheScreamingEagles said:
Same for my ex wife.Carnyx said:
I used to have hair that colour, very nearly. I'm tempted to wonder why you have a problem with that?MrEd said:
I saw somebody the other day with hair the colour of Irn-Bru. I had to try my hardest not to stare.DecrepiterJohnL said:
and red heads, and short people.MrEd said:
Almost as acceptable as racism against "chavvy" WWC which you see from many on the left.RochdalePioneers said:
Hatred of pikeys seems to be the acceptable racism. We had a horrible run in over travellers sites which the council legally had to look at using set criteria, and the local indies and town council were all "we don't want their sort here"Carnyx said:
Mr Ross D. MP also has been reported as having issues with Travellers (I don't know enoughj about the matter to comment myself one way or another):FrancisUrquhart said:
Didn't he also have a bit of an issue relating to antisemitism?TheScreamingEagles said:
I was genuinely shocked that the Tories let him be a candidate.Northern_Al said:
Worse than that. He's an actual racist, on travellers, and I suspect on other matters: refusing to watch England because of "the knee" is pathetic and hints that he has issues. The Tories would do well to get rid of him.TheScreamingEagles said:Lee Anderson really is a bit of a Wayne Kerr.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/tory-lee-anderson-gets-slap-24501004
He was a Labour party member, and also Gloria De Piero's office manager until quite recently.
https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/opendemocracyuk/douglas-ross-and-the-war-on-scotlands-travellers/
I have a huge weakness for gingers.
A ginger could persuade me to eat a pizza with pineapple on it.
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Another excellent result for Lab
Top 2 finish is amazing considering everything.
OK they lost the seat to the Tories but hey a 12% swing from LAB to Con is pretty good in current circumstances and will almost certainly lead to PM SKS in 2023/4
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Mark Hall (Harlow), council by-election result:
CON: 46.4% (+23.2)
LAB: 41.7% (-0.9)
GRN: 7.3% (+7.3)
LDEM: 4.6% (-5.0)
Conservative GAIN from Labour.0 -
I see covid passports for pubs otherwise known as the national id tracking system are back.
It's like a f*cking zombie that just will not die. Always coming back just when you thought it was down.0 -
It is tomorrow: https://www.timeanddate.com/astronomy/moon/new-moon.htmlBenpointer said:
You've confused me there - new moon is tomorrow. What am I missing?TheScreamingEagles said:
Well the 20th will be the proper Eid, as the new moon gets sighted on the 19th.ydoethur said:
Eid ul Adha begins on that day as well, of course.JohnLilburne said:
If it goes ahead, July 19 might be a bit of an unofficial bank holidayjustin124 said:
It would be an appalling precedent too - leading to pressure on future Governments whenever GB or one of its components triumphed in a sports competition - eg the Rugby World Cup - Cricket World Cup etc. There was no Bank Holiday granted in July 1966 in respect of a much more meaningful event.Philip_Thompson said:
Its absolutely delusional. Anyone suggesting it couldn't possibly have any real world business experience. There's not a chance in hell a bank holiday can be organised in 10 hours notice.justin124 said:I must say that the hysterical demands for a Bank Holiday are beginning to shift me from not giving a damn to hoping for a win for Italy.
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He should have just said "No".Philip_Thompson said:
It was an absolutely inane suggestion and he laughed it off and said he didn't want to tempt fate, which is a polite way to say no. That should have been the end of the issue, but then Sky wanted to play it up.Benpointer said:
AIUI Johnson had a chance to quash the rumour and, not surprisingly, flunked it.Philip_Thompson said:
Its absolutely delusional. Anyone suggesting it couldn't possibly have any real world business experience. There's not a chance in hell a bank holiday can be organised in 10 hours notice.justin124 said:I must say that the hysterical demands for a Bank Holiday are beginning to shift me from not giving a damn to hoping for a win for Italy.
https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/12351740/euro-2020-prime-minister-boris-johnson-tight-lipped-on-calls-for-emergency-bank-holiday-should-england-win-final0 -
Masks on public transport seems a no-brainer. Getting rid never made much sense to me.
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Yeah, brain fart.Benpointer said:
You've confused me there - new moon is tomorrow. What am I missing?TheScreamingEagles said:
Well the 20th will be the proper Eid, as the new moon gets sighted on the 19th.ydoethur said:
Eid ul Adha begins on that day as well, of course.JohnLilburne said:
If it goes ahead, July 19 might be a bit of an unofficial bank holidayjustin124 said:
It would be an appalling precedent too - leading to pressure on future Governments whenever GB or one of its components triumphed in a sports competition - eg the Rugby World Cup - Cricket World Cup etc. There was no Bank Holiday granted in July 1966 in respect of a much more meaningful event.Philip_Thompson said:
Its absolutely delusional. Anyone suggesting it couldn't possibly have any real world business experience. There's not a chance in hell a bank holiday can be organised in 10 hours notice.justin124 said:I must say that the hysterical demands for a Bank Holiday are beginning to shift me from not giving a damn to hoping for a win for Italy.
New moon tomorrow, Dhul Hijjah on the 11th,
Day of Arafah is Monday 19th and Eid Al-Adha will be on Tuesday 20th.
These things get determined by the new moon.1 -
Under the same Covid regulations the police use to enforce current restrictionsstodge said:
How are the "Covid passports" to be enforced?HYUFD said:Government now moving towards requiring Covid passports for entry to pubs and clubs and restaurants to boost vaccination rates amongst the young and masks also likely to still be required on public transport as 'Freedom Day' on July 19th comes with clear caveats, especially for the non vaccinated given only the double vaccinated can travel quarantine free too to amber list nations
Is my cafe in the Barking Road going to insist on checking everyone? Completely and stupefyingly daft even by the standards of the Government you so loyally support.
Masks on public transport? Fine - I'll wear one if it's the law but again how and will this be enforced? You can't on the one hand argue for personal responsibility (echoes of one of your greatest leaders) and then start talking about petty unenforceable rules and regulations.
For a Party that talks about "freedom" and "individual responsibility", the modern Conservative Party seems in love with the "nanny State" (makes a change from the nanny I suppose).0 -
rottenborough said:
I see covid passports for pubs otherwise known as the national id tracking system are back.
It's like a f*cking zombie that just will not die. Always coming back just when you thought it was down.
Fine by me - I'd be much happier going into a crowded pub if I was confident everyone was vaccinated. Can't see the problem myself.2 -
And then people would have said he was heartless. Some people just want to score points.Benpointer said:
He should have just said "No".Philip_Thompson said:
It was an absolutely inane suggestion and he laughed it off and said he didn't want to tempt fate, which is a polite way to say no. That should have been the end of the issue, but then Sky wanted to play it up.Benpointer said:
AIUI Johnson had a chance to quash the rumour and, not surprisingly, flunked it.Philip_Thompson said:
Its absolutely delusional. Anyone suggesting it couldn't possibly have any real world business experience. There's not a chance in hell a bank holiday can be organised in 10 hours notice.justin124 said:I must say that the hysterical demands for a Bank Holiday are beginning to shift me from not giving a damn to hoping for a win for Italy.
https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/12351740/euro-2020-prime-minister-boris-johnson-tight-lipped-on-calls-for-emergency-bank-holiday-should-england-win-final0 -
Covid passports for the double vaccinated rather than track and trace and isolation for those in contact with an infected person seems to be the way ahead from July 19th if tonight's news is true.Philip_Thompson said:Just been told a local pub has had to close and cancel all bookings for this weekend, for the final, because a senior member of staff has tested positive and so now all the staff have to isolate and the pub has to close.
That frigging sucks. People have put their hearts and souls into their businesses and been through a nightmare and now they're going to lose thousands in trade this weekend. This madness needs to end.
So July 19th effectively becomes Freedom Day for the double vaccinated, if you are not vaccinated you could be refused entry to a club, pub or restaurant and cannot travel abroad without quarantine0 -
Does he speak for the whole industry?rottenborough said:FrancisUrquhart said:
Covid passports from the autumn....face palm...that will do the trick...HYUFD said:Government now moving towards requiring Covid passports for entry to pubs and clubs and restaurants to boost vaccination rates amongst the young and masks also likely to still be required on public transport as 'Freedom Day' on July 19th comes with clear caveats, especially for the non vaccinated given only the double vaccinated can travel quarantine free too to amber list nations
https://twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/status/1413599764013277185?s=20
https://twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/status/1413571760167993346?s=20
The mask wearing on public transport is so bleeding obvious.
Adam Brooks
@EssexPR
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18m
No chance our industry will accept EVER.
Just for your guide
@GOVUK
We would fight you in the Courts, by non compliance and any other means we can.
Cc
@alanvibe
#OpenForAll
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This is where we differ.HYUFD said:
Under the same Covid regulations the police use to enforce current restrictions
You clearly live in some fantasy world where there are thousands of Police with nothing better to do than ensure Covid restrictions on mask wearing in shops and on public transport are properly and rigorously enforced and the huge amount of fines being voluntarily paid by those found in breach are already reducing the national deficit and debt.
I live in the real world....0 -
Decent result for Lab.
Not a single anti Lab tactical vote.
SKS plan to detoxify LAB clearly on target
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Ardingly and Balcombe (Mid Sussex), council by-election result:
GRN: 36.9% (+13.6)
CON: 33.4% (-5.6)
LDEM: 27.8% (+1.0)
IND: 1.9% (+1.9)
Green GAIN from Conservative.
No Lab (-10.9) as prev.0 -
Eid-bah-Gum!TheScreamingEagles said:
Yeah, brain fart.Benpointer said:
You've confused me there - new moon is tomorrow. What am I missing?TheScreamingEagles said:
Well the 20th will be the proper Eid, as the new moon gets sighted on the 19th.ydoethur said:
Eid ul Adha begins on that day as well, of course.JohnLilburne said:
If it goes ahead, July 19 might be a bit of an unofficial bank holidayjustin124 said:
It would be an appalling precedent too - leading to pressure on future Governments whenever GB or one of its components triumphed in a sports competition - eg the Rugby World Cup - Cricket World Cup etc. There was no Bank Holiday granted in July 1966 in respect of a much more meaningful event.Philip_Thompson said:
Its absolutely delusional. Anyone suggesting it couldn't possibly have any real world business experience. There's not a chance in hell a bank holiday can be organised in 10 hours notice.justin124 said:I must say that the hysterical demands for a Bank Holiday are beginning to shift me from not giving a damn to hoping for a win for Italy.
New moon tomorrow, Dhul Hijjah on the 11th,
Day of Arafah is Monday 19th and Eid Al-Adha will be on Tuesday 20th.
These things get determined by the new moon.0 -
By the time this comes in, 90% of adults will be. The 10% who aren't, either can't or won't..the won't will I am sure then try and fake their way in.Benpointer said:rottenborough said:I see covid passports for pubs otherwise known as the national id tracking system are back.
It's like a f*cking zombie that just will not die. Always coming back just when you thought it was down.
Fine by me - I'd be much happier going into a crowded pub if I was confident everyone was vaccinated. Can't see the problem myself.0 -
Honestly, I wonder whether a lot of owner/managers in hospitality wont just throw the towel in.stodge said:
How are the "Covid passports" to be enforced?HYUFD said:Government now moving towards requiring Covid passports for entry to pubs and clubs and restaurants to boost vaccination rates amongst the young and masks also likely to still be required on public transport as 'Freedom Day' on July 19th comes with clear caveats, especially for the non vaccinated given only the double vaccinated can travel quarantine free too to amber list nations
Is my cafe in the Barking Road going to insist on checking everyone? Completely and stupefyingly daft even by the standards of the Government you so loyally support.
Masks on public transport? Fine - I'll wear one if it's the law but again how and will this be enforced? You can't on the one hand argue for personal responsibility (echoes of one of your greatest leaders) and then start talking about petty unenforceable rules and regulations.
For a Party that talks about "freedom" and "individual responsibility", the modern Conservative Party seems in love with the "nanny State" (makes a change from the nanny I suppose).
They are just the collateral damage for this government's determination (or at least Gove's) to get a digital id card slipped through.
Hopefully, Steve Baker and co will kill this talk off once again. As I say it's like trying to kill a zombie.
Of course we can rely on Starmer to rally his troops to support whatever bonkers scheme this lot come up with.0 -
SKS on the telly saying that the NHS app for pinging shouldn't be changed. Ie should remain pinging hundreds of thousands of people and telling them to self isolate for 10 days.
He really hasn't caught the mood of the nation, has he.0 -
Won't work.rottenborough said:I see covid passports for pubs otherwise known as the national id tracking system are back.
It's like a f*cking zombie that just will not die. Always coming back just when you thought it was down.
Industry won't support it.
Only the stupid or frit think covid passports are either necessary or a good idea.
Edit to add: it doesn't have the numbers in Parliament.0 -
While he is also moaning about 100,000s of peope getting pinged.....TOPPING said:SKS on the telly saying that the NHS app for pinging shouldn't be changed. Ie should remain pinging hundreds of thousands of people and telling them to self isolate for 10 days.
He really hasn't caught the mood of the nation, has he.0 -
You've got a child... You know that sometimes, a parent has to say "no". It makes you the baddie, it makes them feel bad, it makes you feel bad, but you have to say "no". Because anything else will be heard as "maybe, and enough weedling will turn that into a 'yes'".Philip_Thompson said:
It was an absolutely inane suggestion and he laughed it off and said he didn't want to tempt fate, which is a polite way to say no. That should have been the end of the issue, but then Sky wanted to play it up.Benpointer said:
AIUI Johnson had a chance to quash the rumour and, not surprisingly, flunked it.Philip_Thompson said:
Its absolutely delusional. Anyone suggesting it couldn't possibly have any real world business experience. There's not a chance in hell a bank holiday can be organised in 10 hours notice.justin124 said:I must say that the hysterical demands for a Bank Holiday are beginning to shift me from not giving a damn to hoping for a win for Italy.
https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/12351740/euro-2020-prime-minister-boris-johnson-tight-lipped-on-calls-for-emergency-bank-holiday-should-england-win-final
But BoJo can't say "no". He wants the person listening to him to feel good. And that's what makes him such a potent election winner.
But that also makes him terrible at a key part of his job.5 -
Well that Ipsos MORI poll says he has.TOPPING said:SKS on the telly saying that the NHS app for pinging shouldn't be changed. Ie should remain pinging hundreds of thousands of people and telling them to self isolate for 10 days.
He really hasn't caught the mood of the nation, has he.1 -
He's just a man who can't say no. He's not a leader he's a spineless joker.Philip_Thompson said:
And then people would have said he was heartless. Some people just want to score points.Benpointer said:
He should have just said "No".Philip_Thompson said:
It was an absolutely inane suggestion and he laughed it off and said he didn't want to tempt fate, which is a polite way to say no. That should have been the end of the issue, but then Sky wanted to play it up.Benpointer said:
AIUI Johnson had a chance to quash the rumour and, not surprisingly, flunked it.Philip_Thompson said:
Its absolutely delusional. Anyone suggesting it couldn't possibly have any real world business experience. There's not a chance in hell a bank holiday can be organised in 10 hours notice.justin124 said:I must say that the hysterical demands for a Bank Holiday are beginning to shift me from not giving a damn to hoping for a win for Italy.
https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/12351740/euro-2020-prime-minister-boris-johnson-tight-lipped-on-calls-for-emergency-bank-holiday-should-england-win-final2 -
Delusional. He was onto something on Wednesday saying this is an issue, and now he's objecting to them addressing the issue he brought up on Wednesday instead of claiming credit in having got the government to move.TOPPING said:SKS on the telly saying that the NHS app for pinging shouldn't be changed. Ie should remain pinging hundreds of thousands of people and telling them to self isolate for 10 days.
He really hasn't caught the mood of the nation, has he.
Snatching defeat from jaws of a rare victory.1 -
I don't think many actual heroes object to sports stars getting that label in a casual sense. Indeed, lots of people or groups are labelled as 'heroes' very casually. Actual heroes probably do it.state_go_away said:
Quite - the reaction will be far overblown whatever the result - they will be called heroes (which clearly they are not) or they will be "gutted" (which clearly they will not be)justin124 said:
But only a minority - admittedly a large one - watched the England v Denmark game.state_go_away said:
Trouble is then everyone will be and post they are "gutted" and the media will act as though it was the Fall of Singaporejustin124 said:I must say that the hysterical demands for a Bank Holiday are beginning to shift me from not giving a damn to hoping for a win for Italy.
And of course the reaction will be overblown - it's sport, the very concept of giving such wealth and acclaim for the ability to kick a ball real well, and celebrating it, is overblown.
But that's life and society, it's usually all in good fun - even casual fans or those not very interested will get swept up in things. Who usually gives a crap about the 400m hurdles outside the Olympics? Yet people still cheer and why shouldn't they?0 -
According to this polling he seems to have done, yes.TOPPING said:SKS on the telly saying that the NHS app for pinging shouldn't be changed. Ie should remain pinging hundreds of thousands of people and telling them to self isolate for 10 days.
He really hasn't caught the mood of the nation, has he.
https://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2021/07/08/with-11-days-until-freedom-day-ipsos-finds-a-significant-proportion-backing-permanent-controls/0 -
I wish I'd know that before I began the first thrust of my seppuku.Benpointer said:
You know that 'gutted' means 'bitterly disappointed or upset', not disembowelled, in that context?state_go_away said:
Quite - the reaction will be far overblown whatever the result - they will be called heroes (which clearly they are not) or they will be "gutted" (which clearly they will not be)justin124 said:
But only a minority - admittedly a large one - watched the England v Denmark game.state_go_away said:
Trouble is then everyone will be and post they are "gutted" and the media will act as though it was the Fall of Singaporejustin124 said:I must say that the hysterical demands for a Bank Holiday are beginning to shift me from not giving a damn to hoping for a win for Italy.
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I feel a bit for people not into the football. If we win it will be massive. Just basically imagine how big and OTT it could possibly be and then double that.JohnLilburne said:
If it goes ahead, July 19 might be a bit of an unofficial bank holidayjustin124 said:
It would be an appalling precedent too - leading to pressure on future Governments whenever GB or one of its components triumphed in a sports competition - eg the Rugby World Cup - Cricket World Cup etc. There was no Bank Holiday granted in July 1966 in respect of a much more meaningful event.Philip_Thompson said:
Its absolutely delusional. Anyone suggesting it couldn't possibly have any real world business experience. There's not a chance in hell a bank holiday can be organised in 10 hours notice.justin124 said:I must say that the hysterical demands for a Bank Holiday are beginning to shift me from not giving a damn to hoping for a win for Italy.
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Fair enough. He is following rather than leading.TheScreamingEagles said:
Well that Ipsos MORI poll says he has.TOPPING said:SKS on the telly saying that the NHS app for pinging shouldn't be changed. Ie should remain pinging hundreds of thousands of people and telling them to self isolate for 10 days.
He really hasn't caught the mood of the nation, has he.
And yes. The nation, a large percentage of which wants nightclubs closed forever, might like that.
Fuck them.2 -
It's not very lost - random comment thread from 2009 for you 😂Tres said:
Nah, stuff from the pre Vanilla days is lost. Quite handily for certain posters.gealbhan said:
It was you was it? Oh Francis. What is posted on PB lives for ever. Shall we go back and have a look?FrancisUrquhart said:
I don't think analysts ever said he couldn't play "well", it is that he is limited and that the team use him a particular way because of his limitations. Which is exactly what they have done.gealbhan said:
And who was it who assured us the analysts have proven Rice couldn’t possibly play as well as he has done? Anyone wish to put their hands up?TheScreamingEagles said:
Yup, a pound shop Laurence Fox.Foxy said:
Wasn't it you at the beginning of the tournament dissing the England team, and clutching at your pearls over taking the knee?Leon said:It’s not just us that have noticed this *thing*
‘When are we going to get a longread on the social media radicalisation of FBPE people? It's very sad to watch’
‘ > often educated professionals
> 10k follows
> 11k followers
> Bio an alphabet soup of acronyms
> Can't watch the football because they think they live in a Hitlerite regime
They haven't quite got to paedo-deep-state conspiracy but the distinction with Qboomers isn't massive!’
https://twitter.com/eggrollshogun/status/1413129834356563972?s=21
He isn't allowed to make expansive passes, he is told he must slow its right down, because they aren't confident that he won't make a mistake if he tries to work at pace.
https://web.archive.org/web/20090117063813/http://politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2009/01/16/will-comres-provide-tables-like-this/#comments
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Speaking to a child, yes. Children need to hear the word no.Stuartinromford said:
You've got a child... You know that sometimes, a parent has to say "no". It makes you the baddie, it makes them feel bad, it makes you feel bad, but you have to say "no". Because anything else will be heard as "maybe, and enough weedling will turn that into a 'yes'".Philip_Thompson said:
It was an absolutely inane suggestion and he laughed it off and said he didn't want to tempt fate, which is a polite way to say no. That should have been the end of the issue, but then Sky wanted to play it up.Benpointer said:
AIUI Johnson had a chance to quash the rumour and, not surprisingly, flunked it.Philip_Thompson said:
Its absolutely delusional. Anyone suggesting it couldn't possibly have any real world business experience. There's not a chance in hell a bank holiday can be organised in 10 hours notice.justin124 said:I must say that the hysterical demands for a Bank Holiday are beginning to shift me from not giving a damn to hoping for a win for Italy.
https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/12351740/euro-2020-prime-minister-boris-johnson-tight-lipped-on-calls-for-emergency-bank-holiday-should-england-win-final
But BoJo can't say "no". He wants the person listening to him to feel good. And that's what makes him such a potent election winner.
But that also makes him terrible at a key part of his job.
Growns up should be different. Grown ups should be able to be let down gently and understand a polite no.
We shouldn't be demanding the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom speaks to us like we're little children.0 -
Spot on.Stuartinromford said:
You've got a child... You know that sometimes, a parent has to say "no". It makes you the baddie, it makes them feel bad, it makes you feel bad, but you have to say "no". Because anything else will be heard as "maybe, and enough weedling will turn that into a 'yes'".Philip_Thompson said:
It was an absolutely inane suggestion and he laughed it off and said he didn't want to tempt fate, which is a polite way to say no. That should have been the end of the issue, but then Sky wanted to play it up.Benpointer said:
AIUI Johnson had a chance to quash the rumour and, not surprisingly, flunked it.Philip_Thompson said:
Its absolutely delusional. Anyone suggesting it couldn't possibly have any real world business experience. There's not a chance in hell a bank holiday can be organised in 10 hours notice.justin124 said:I must say that the hysterical demands for a Bank Holiday are beginning to shift me from not giving a damn to hoping for a win for Italy.
https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/12351740/euro-2020-prime-minister-boris-johnson-tight-lipped-on-calls-for-emergency-bank-holiday-should-england-win-final
But BoJo can't say "no". He wants the person listening to him to feel good. And that's what makes him such a potent election winner.
But that also makes him terrible at a key part of his job.0 -
FIghting in the courts isn't that much of a threat anyway, not automatically anyway - total guess, but I'd bet the government usually win such challenges (if you include ones that don't even get past the first hurdle particularly.Benpointer said:
Does he speak for the whole industry?rottenborough said:FrancisUrquhart said:
Covid passports from the autumn....face palm...that will do the trick...HYUFD said:Government now moving towards requiring Covid passports for entry to pubs and clubs and restaurants to boost vaccination rates amongst the young and masks also likely to still be required on public transport as 'Freedom Day' on July 19th comes with clear caveats, especially for the non vaccinated given only the double vaccinated can travel quarantine free too to amber list nations
https://twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/status/1413599764013277185?s=20
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I'm not so sure. Liberals against. Thank God. Steve Baker, Brady and chums - muster maybe 20 or 30 once the arm twisting begins? But Starmer will say he's having a review, then he's against and then the day before the vote decide he's in favour and whip his lot.Mortimer said:
Won't work.rottenborough said:I see covid passports for pubs otherwise known as the national id tracking system are back.
It's like a f*cking zombie that just will not die. Always coming back just when you thought it was down.
Industry won't support it.
Only the stupid or frit think covid passports are either necessary or a good idea.
Edit to add: it doesn't have the numbers in Parliament.
Johnson cruises home with only about 60 against?0 -
I caught that. Wasn't good - he also appeared to, unprompted, put down people deleting the app, which is an odd approach. Some nonsense about taking the battery out of the smoke alarm too.TOPPING said:SKS on the telly saying that the NHS app for pinging shouldn't be changed. Ie should remain pinging hundreds of thousands of people and telling them to self isolate for 10 days.
He really hasn't caught the mood of the nation, has he.1 -
Finding out now must be hard to stomach.kle4 said:
I wish I'd know that before I began the first thrust of my seppuku.Benpointer said:
You know that 'gutted' means 'bitterly disappointed or upset', not disembowelled, in that context?state_go_away said:
Quite - the reaction will be far overblown whatever the result - they will be called heroes (which clearly they are not) or they will be "gutted" (which clearly they will not be)justin124 said:
But only a minority - admittedly a large one - watched the England v Denmark game.state_go_away said:
Trouble is then everyone will be and post they are "gutted" and the media will act as though it was the Fall of Singaporejustin124 said:I must say that the hysterical demands for a Bank Holiday are beginning to shift me from not giving a damn to hoping for a win for Italy.
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Very sensible, except it's too late. We should have been doing that before things started getting out of control. That way venues could have safely opened earlier, to everyone's benefitHYUFD said:
Covid passports for the double vaccinated rather than track and trace and isolation for those in contact with an infected person seems to be the way ahead from July 19th if tonight's news is true.Philip_Thompson said:Just been told a local pub has had to close and cancel all bookings for this weekend, for the final, because a senior member of staff has tested positive and so now all the staff have to isolate and the pub has to close.
That frigging sucks. People have put their hearts and souls into their businesses and been through a nightmare and now they're going to lose thousands in trade this weekend. This madness needs to end.
So July 19th effectively becomes Freedom Day for the double vaccinated, if you are not vaccinated you could be refused entry to a club, pub or restaurant and cannot travel abroad without quarantine
The government should have been carefully laying the messaging groundwork for this for months, as well as making practical preparations. They've done neither. It will therefore be a disaster.
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Hmm, I don't really buy that. Sometimes adults very much need to be let down in an ungentle fashion too. Adults are very capable of deliberately not understanding a no unless told firmly. Better at it than children, in fact, as adults are craftier.Philip_Thompson said:
Speaking to a child, yes. Children need to hear the word no.Stuartinromford said:
You've got a child... You know that sometimes, a parent has to say "no". It makes you the baddie, it makes them feel bad, it makes you feel bad, but you have to say "no". Because anything else will be heard as "maybe, and enough weedling will turn that into a 'yes'".Philip_Thompson said:
It was an absolutely inane suggestion and he laughed it off and said he didn't want to tempt fate, which is a polite way to say no. That should have been the end of the issue, but then Sky wanted to play it up.Benpointer said:
AIUI Johnson had a chance to quash the rumour and, not surprisingly, flunked it.Philip_Thompson said:
Its absolutely delusional. Anyone suggesting it couldn't possibly have any real world business experience. There's not a chance in hell a bank holiday can be organised in 10 hours notice.justin124 said:I must say that the hysterical demands for a Bank Holiday are beginning to shift me from not giving a damn to hoping for a win for Italy.
https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/12351740/euro-2020-prime-minister-boris-johnson-tight-lipped-on-calls-for-emergency-bank-holiday-should-england-win-final
But BoJo can't say "no". He wants the person listening to him to feel good. And that's what makes him such a potent election winner.
But that also makes him terrible at a key part of his job.
Growns up should be different. Grown ups should be able to be let down gently and understand a polite no.
We shouldn't be demanding the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom speaks to us like we're little children.
I don't think that speaks to this particular issue around the bank holiday, I think it is a stupid idea but I don't think it matters that much if he is not in super serious mode in response, but I think your analogy is crap.
And I know me some crap analogies.1 -
He has nowhere to go but as has been pointed out he can look at the polls and try to appeal to those who have said they are pro-lockdown. Whether they are or not who knows.Selebian said:
I caught that. Wasn't good - he also appeared to, unprompted, put down people deleting the app, which is an odd approach. Some nonsense about taking the battery out of the smoke alarm too.TOPPING said:SKS on the telly saying that the NHS app for pinging shouldn't be changed. Ie should remain pinging hundreds of thousands of people and telling them to self isolate for 10 days.
He really hasn't caught the mood of the nation, has he.1 -
I'm sure we had posters on hear last March saying masks won't work, industry won't support it.Mortimer said:
Won't work.rottenborough said:I see covid passports for pubs otherwise known as the national id tracking system are back.
It's like a f*cking zombie that just will not die. Always coming back just when you thought it was down.
Industry won't support it.
Only the stupid or frit think covid passports are either necessary or a good idea.
Edit to add: it doesn't have the numbers in Parliament.
Personally, I have been looking forward to 'Freedom Day' but in the last week I have been surprised that virtually all my friends and contacts are very cautious about opening up.0 -
Great catch, although it was very close indeed as to whether she was touching the ground before she jumped up in order to take the catch for the second time. I wonder whether the third umpire checked it.Big_G_NorthWales said:This is fantastic
Wow - stunning catch
BBC News - England v India: Harleen Deol makes stunning catch to dismiss Amy Jones
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/cricket/577859240 -
It wasn't my analogy, it was Stuart's.kle4 said:
Hmm, I don't really buy that. Sometimes adults very much need to be let down in an ungentle fashion too. Adults are very capable of deliberately not understanding a no unless told firmly. Better at it than children, in fact, as adults are craftier.Philip_Thompson said:
Speaking to a child, yes. Children need to hear the word no.Stuartinromford said:
You've got a child... You know that sometimes, a parent has to say "no". It makes you the baddie, it makes them feel bad, it makes you feel bad, but you have to say "no". Because anything else will be heard as "maybe, and enough weedling will turn that into a 'yes'".Philip_Thompson said:
It was an absolutely inane suggestion and he laughed it off and said he didn't want to tempt fate, which is a polite way to say no. That should have been the end of the issue, but then Sky wanted to play it up.Benpointer said:
AIUI Johnson had a chance to quash the rumour and, not surprisingly, flunked it.Philip_Thompson said:
Its absolutely delusional. Anyone suggesting it couldn't possibly have any real world business experience. There's not a chance in hell a bank holiday can be organised in 10 hours notice.justin124 said:I must say that the hysterical demands for a Bank Holiday are beginning to shift me from not giving a damn to hoping for a win for Italy.
https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/12351740/euro-2020-prime-minister-boris-johnson-tight-lipped-on-calls-for-emergency-bank-holiday-should-england-win-final
But BoJo can't say "no". He wants the person listening to him to feel good. And that's what makes him such a potent election winner.
But that also makes him terrible at a key part of his job.
Growns up should be different. Grown ups should be able to be let down gently and understand a polite no.
We shouldn't be demanding the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom speaks to us like we're little children.
I don't think that speaks to this particular issue around the bank holiday, I think it is a stupid idea but I don't think it matters that much if he is not in super serious mode in response, but I think your analogy is crap.
And I know me some crap analogies.
There is not a frigging chance in hell of Monday being a Bank Holiday. The PM laughing it off, saying he doesn't want to tempt fate, should to anyone sane be clearly the end of the matter.
The notion that at 11:15pm on a Sunday night the Prime Minister is going to call the Queen and make an executive decision that the Monday starting 45 minutes later is a Bank Holiday . . . nobody sane is going to think that.
Anyone claiming he kept it open was being deliberately obtuse. Its pathetic. The suggestion of a Bank Holiday with no notice is pathetic and the idea the PM kept it open with that reply? Give me a break.0 -
Polling seems a lot more supportive than the thirsty mask phobes of PB.TOPPING said:SKS on the telly saying that the NHS app for pinging shouldn't be changed. Ie should remain pinging hundreds of thousands of people and telling them to self isolate for 10 days.
He really hasn't caught the mood of the nation, has he.0 -
Benpointer said:
I'm sure we had posters on hear last March saying masks won't work, industry won't support it.Mortimer said:
Won't work.rottenborough said:I see covid passports for pubs otherwise known as the national id tracking system are back.
It's like a f*cking zombie that just will not die. Always coming back just when you thought it was down.
Industry won't support it.
Only the stupid or frit think covid passports are either necessary or a good idea.
Edit to add: it doesn't have the numbers in Parliament.
Personally, I have been looking forward to 'Freedom Day' but in the last week I have been surprised that virtually all my friends and contacts are very cautious about opening up.
Honestly, I can see it being pulled at the last moment.
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It's a bit baffling considering we were expected to open up sooner, yet they seem almost caught unawares.Richard_Nabavi said:
Very sensible, except it's too late. We should have been doing that before things started getting out of control. That way venues could have safely opened earlier, to everyone's benefitHYUFD said:
Covid passports for the double vaccinated rather than track and trace and isolation for those in contact with an infected person seems to be the way ahead from July 19th if tonight's news is true.Philip_Thompson said:Just been told a local pub has had to close and cancel all bookings for this weekend, for the final, because a senior member of staff has tested positive and so now all the staff have to isolate and the pub has to close.
That frigging sucks. People have put their hearts and souls into their businesses and been through a nightmare and now they're going to lose thousands in trade this weekend. This madness needs to end.
So July 19th effectively becomes Freedom Day for the double vaccinated, if you are not vaccinated you could be refused entry to a club, pub or restaurant and cannot travel abroad without quarantine
The government should have been carefully laying the messaging groundwork for this for months, as well as making practical preparations. They've done neither. It will therefore be a disaster.0 -
Pretty incredible if she *wasn't* touching the ground before she jumped up ;-)Andy_JS said:
Great catch, although it was very close indeed as to whether she was touching the ground before she jumped up in order to take the catch for the second time. I wonder whether the third umpire checked it.Big_G_NorthWales said:This is fantastic
Wow - stunning catch
BBC News - England v India: Harleen Deol makes stunning catch to dismiss Amy Jones
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/cricket/577859241 -
Three reasons why it won't work:Benpointer said:
I'm sure we had posters on hear last March saying masks won't work, industry won't support it.Mortimer said:
Won't work.rottenborough said:I see covid passports for pubs otherwise known as the national id tracking system are back.
It's like a f*cking zombie that just will not die. Always coming back just when you thought it was down.
Industry won't support it.
Only the stupid or frit think covid passports are either necessary or a good idea.
Edit to add: it doesn't have the numbers in Parliament.
Personally, I have been looking forward to 'Freedom Day' but in the last week I have been surprised that virtually all my friends and contacts are very cautious about opening up.
1) Opportunity cost - it prevents the spur of the moment drink, visit to a club etc - this is where entertainment makes money
2) Practicalities - it is impossible to enforce, and laws that invite breach should not enter on to our statute books. I'm not sure if anyone here has participated in the covid event trials? Well I have. I haven't had both jabs yet, so I had to do a LFT. Well, I did one. And then I entered the result. Entering the result is in no way connected to the test. Getting a covid pass involves nothing more than saying you've had a negative test result. It is absolutely farcical.
3) The frit aren't going to be going out anyway. They'll be scared of their own shadow for months, if not years. The government need to lead, not follow a load of ignorant, uninformed people incapable of understanding that risk/reward is key to life itself.1 -
PB not totally representative?! Who'da thunk it, eh?Foxy said:
Polling seems a lot more supportive than the thirsty mask phobes of PB.TOPPING said:SKS on the telly saying that the NHS app for pinging shouldn't be changed. Ie should remain pinging hundreds of thousands of people and telling them to self isolate for 10 days.
He really hasn't caught the mood of the nation, has he.0 -
Not anti-English....no siree!
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I had pineapple on my pizza in Pisa. And very nice it was too!TheScreamingEagles said:
No, it is because of this.rottenborough said:Neil Henderson
@hendopolis
STAR: Italy: An apology #TomorrowsPapersToday
https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/1413595392428609543
Pizza on pineapple story!!!!
They must read PB surely?
From the Italy semi final at Wembley, here's an Italian fan.
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Except you utilised it, putting your own take on it, so it doesn't matter who started it. The statement that 'Growns up should be different. Grown ups should be able to be let down gently and understand a polite no' is pretty silly, in my opinion.Philip_Thompson said:
It wasn't my analogy, it was Stuart's.kle4 said:
Hmm, I don't really buy that. Sometimes adults very much need to be let down in an ungentle fashion too. Adults are very capable of deliberately not understanding a no unless told firmly. Better at it than children, in fact, as adults are craftier.Philip_Thompson said:
Speaking to a child, yes. Children need to hear the word no.Stuartinromford said:
You've got a child... You know that sometimes, a parent has to say "no". It makes you the baddie, it makes them feel bad, it makes you feel bad, but you have to say "no". Because anything else will be heard as "maybe, and enough weedling will turn that into a 'yes'".Philip_Thompson said:
It was an absolutely inane suggestion and he laughed it off and said he didn't want to tempt fate, which is a polite way to say no. That should have been the end of the issue, but then Sky wanted to play it up.Benpointer said:
AIUI Johnson had a chance to quash the rumour and, not surprisingly, flunked it.Philip_Thompson said:
Its absolutely delusional. Anyone suggesting it couldn't possibly have any real world business experience. There's not a chance in hell a bank holiday can be organised in 10 hours notice.justin124 said:I must say that the hysterical demands for a Bank Holiday are beginning to shift me from not giving a damn to hoping for a win for Italy.
https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/12351740/euro-2020-prime-minister-boris-johnson-tight-lipped-on-calls-for-emergency-bank-holiday-should-england-win-final
But BoJo can't say "no". He wants the person listening to him to feel good. And that's what makes him such a potent election winner.
But that also makes him terrible at a key part of his job.
Growns up should be different. Grown ups should be able to be let down gently and understand a polite no.
We shouldn't be demanding the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom speaks to us like we're little children.
I don't think that speaks to this particular issue around the bank holiday, I think it is a stupid idea but I don't think it matters that much if he is not in super serious mode in response, but I think your analogy is crap.
And I know me some crap analogies.
Grown ups can be among the most childish people out there. And sometimes we have to be treated similarly. 'Should' doesn't come into it, we take people as they are not as we wish them to be.
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Sounds like you need a break!Philip_Thompson said:
It wasn't my analogy, it was Stuart's.kle4 said:
Hmm, I don't really buy that. Sometimes adults very much need to be let down in an ungentle fashion too. Adults are very capable of deliberately not understanding a no unless told firmly. Better at it than children, in fact, as adults are craftier.Philip_Thompson said:
Speaking to a child, yes. Children need to hear the word no.Stuartinromford said:
You've got a child... You know that sometimes, a parent has to say "no". It makes you the baddie, it makes them feel bad, it makes you feel bad, but you have to say "no". Because anything else will be heard as "maybe, and enough weedling will turn that into a 'yes'".Philip_Thompson said:
It was an absolutely inane suggestion and he laughed it off and said he didn't want to tempt fate, which is a polite way to say no. That should have been the end of the issue, but then Sky wanted to play it up.Benpointer said:
AIUI Johnson had a chance to quash the rumour and, not surprisingly, flunked it.Philip_Thompson said:
Its absolutely delusional. Anyone suggesting it couldn't possibly have any real world business experience. There's not a chance in hell a bank holiday can be organised in 10 hours notice.justin124 said:I must say that the hysterical demands for a Bank Holiday are beginning to shift me from not giving a damn to hoping for a win for Italy.
https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/12351740/euro-2020-prime-minister-boris-johnson-tight-lipped-on-calls-for-emergency-bank-holiday-should-england-win-final
But BoJo can't say "no". He wants the person listening to him to feel good. And that's what makes him such a potent election winner.
But that also makes him terrible at a key part of his job.
Growns up should be different. Grown ups should be able to be let down gently and understand a polite no.
We shouldn't be demanding the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom speaks to us like we're little children.
I don't think that speaks to this particular issue around the bank holiday, I think it is a stupid idea but I don't think it matters that much if he is not in super serious mode in response, but I think your analogy is crap.
And I know me some crap analogies.
There is not a frigging chance in hell of Monday being a Bank Holiday. The PM laughing it off, saying he doesn't want to tempt fate, should to anyone sane be clearly the end of the matter.
The notion that at 11:15pm on a Sunday night the Prime Minister is going to call the Queen and make an executive decision that the Monday starting 45 minutes later is a Bank Holiday . . . nobody sane is going to think that.
Anyone claiming he kept it open was being deliberately obtuse. Its pathetic. The suggestion of a Bank Holiday with no notice is pathetic and the idea the PM kept it open with that reply? Give me a break.0 -
It's not really baffling. Boris is an utter incompetent who never looks more than half a step ahead, and so keeps having to scramble to get out of holes.kle4 said:
It's a bit baffling considering we were expected to open up sooner, yet they seem almost caught unawares.Richard_Nabavi said:
Very sensible, except it's too late. We should have been doing that before things started getting out of control. That way venues could have safely opened earlier, to everyone's benefitHYUFD said:
Covid passports for the double vaccinated rather than track and trace and isolation for those in contact with an infected person seems to be the way ahead from July 19th if tonight's news is true.Philip_Thompson said:Just been told a local pub has had to close and cancel all bookings for this weekend, for the final, because a senior member of staff has tested positive and so now all the staff have to isolate and the pub has to close.
That frigging sucks. People have put their hearts and souls into their businesses and been through a nightmare and now they're going to lose thousands in trade this weekend. This madness needs to end.
So July 19th effectively becomes Freedom Day for the double vaccinated, if you are not vaccinated you could be refused entry to a club, pub or restaurant and cannot travel abroad without quarantine
The government should have been carefully laying the messaging groundwork for this for months, as well as making practical preparations. They've done neither. It will therefore be a disaster.1 -
He realised there was more money in being an oppressed right winger than being a faux centrist.Carnyx said:
He did change his tone very dramatically some years back. I can't recall exactly when, or if this coincided with a change of employer. But it was very noticeable. Did Alex Salmond pish in his cappucino or something?Theuniondivvie said:
Nevertheless he knows exactly what his market wants to hear. A pity for him so few of them live in Scotland.Alistair said:
What an absolute shit bag he is.CarlottaVance said:There is rather a lot of wind — a great heaving blast of hot air as Sturgeon relays familiar cant about every death being a tragedy and the pains and impositions of calling the shots. We know all this — not least because she keeps repeating it — but someone has told the First Minister this makes her sound relatable or empathetic and so we get the pained grimaces and the grave tone of voice. She’s not going to get independence any time soon but she must be in the running for a BAFTA.
https://stephendaisley.substack.com/p/sturgeon-meets-her-personality-cult1 -
Polling is useless on issues like this.Foxy said:
Polling seems a lot more supportive than the thirsty mask phobes of PB.TOPPING said:SKS on the telly saying that the NHS app for pinging shouldn't be changed. Ie should remain pinging hundreds of thousands of people and telling them to self isolate for 10 days.
He really hasn't caught the mood of the nation, has he.
People want others to isolate if pinged, but themselves, no sireeee2 -
Data not dates they said, then ignored the data. At least until the numbers mushroomed 10 fold in 6 weeks.Richard_Nabavi said:
Very sensible, except it's too late. We should have been doing that before things started getting out of control. That way venues could have safely opened earlier, to everyone's benefitHYUFD said:
Covid passports for the double vaccinated rather than track and trace and isolation for those in contact with an infected person seems to be the way ahead from July 19th if tonight's news is true.Philip_Thompson said:Just been told a local pub has had to close and cancel all bookings for this weekend, for the final, because a senior member of staff has tested positive and so now all the staff have to isolate and the pub has to close.
That frigging sucks. People have put their hearts and souls into their businesses and been through a nightmare and now they're going to lose thousands in trade this weekend. This madness needs to end.
So July 19th effectively becomes Freedom Day for the double vaccinated, if you are not vaccinated you could be refused entry to a club, pub or restaurant and cannot travel abroad without quarantine
The government should have been carefully laying the messaging groundwork for this for months, as well as making practical preparations. They've done neither. It will therefore be a disaster.0 -
I think there's an argument that she was sufficiently in control of the ball for the first catch to count. If she had caught it and thrown it up, she would have had it for less time.Andy_JS said:
Great catch, although it was very close indeed as to whether she was touching the ground before she jumped up in order to take the catch for the second time. I wonder whether the third umpire checked it.Big_G_NorthWales said:This is fantastic
Wow - stunning catch
BBC News - England v India: Harleen Deol makes stunning catch to dismiss Amy Jones
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/cricket/577859240 -
The case data was never a data point in any of the four tests.Foxy said:
Data not dates they said, then ignored the data. At least until the numbers mushroomed 10 fold in 6 weeks.Richard_Nabavi said:
Very sensible, except it's too late. We should have been doing that before things started getting out of control. That way venues could have safely opened earlier, to everyone's benefitHYUFD said:
Covid passports for the double vaccinated rather than track and trace and isolation for those in contact with an infected person seems to be the way ahead from July 19th if tonight's news is true.Philip_Thompson said:Just been told a local pub has had to close and cancel all bookings for this weekend, for the final, because a senior member of staff has tested positive and so now all the staff have to isolate and the pub has to close.
That frigging sucks. People have put their hearts and souls into their businesses and been through a nightmare and now they're going to lose thousands in trade this weekend. This madness needs to end.
So July 19th effectively becomes Freedom Day for the double vaccinated, if you are not vaccinated you could be refused entry to a club, pub or restaurant and cannot travel abroad without quarantine
The government should have been carefully laying the messaging groundwork for this for months, as well as making practical preparations. They've done neither. It will therefore be a disaster.0 -
Can he survive yet another u-turn and lockdown?Richard_Nabavi said:
It's not really baffling. Boris is an utter incompetent who never looks more than half a step ahead, and so keeps having to scramble to get out of holes.kle4 said:
It's a bit baffling considering we were expected to open up sooner, yet they seem almost caught unawares.Richard_Nabavi said:
Very sensible, except it's too late. We should have been doing that before things started getting out of control. That way venues could have safely opened earlier, to everyone's benefitHYUFD said:
Covid passports for the double vaccinated rather than track and trace and isolation for those in contact with an infected person seems to be the way ahead from July 19th if tonight's news is true.Philip_Thompson said:Just been told a local pub has had to close and cancel all bookings for this weekend, for the final, because a senior member of staff has tested positive and so now all the staff have to isolate and the pub has to close.
That frigging sucks. People have put their hearts and souls into their businesses and been through a nightmare and now they're going to lose thousands in trade this weekend. This madness needs to end.
So July 19th effectively becomes Freedom Day for the double vaccinated, if you are not vaccinated you could be refused entry to a club, pub or restaurant and cannot travel abroad without quarantine
The government should have been carefully laying the messaging groundwork for this for months, as well as making practical preparations. They've done neither. It will therefore be a disaster.
He's been teflon so far as the public largely laughs along or gives him the benefit. But eventually that road runs out.0 -
Can't stand the idea myself, but that's purely because I dislike Pineapple - for me one of the great things about Pizza is how versatile it is and how you can put anything you want on it whilst it still being very identifiably a Pizza and not a new thing.SandyRentool said:
I had pineapple on my pizza in Pisa. And very nice it was too!TheScreamingEagles said:
No, it is because of this.rottenborough said:Neil Henderson
@hendopolis
STAR: Italy: An apology #TomorrowsPapersToday
https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/1413595392428609543
Pizza on pineapple story!!!!
They must read PB surely?
From the Italy semi final at Wembley, here's an Italian fan.
If people want a traditional style pizza they can find somewhere who will give it to them. Meanwhile, I'll celebrate the Dominoes flyer through my door today telling me the Double Decadence base (two bases with cheese and herb sauce between them) is back.0 -
No because she wasn't stable on the ground and able to stay within the ropes, so she and therefore the ball wasn't under control.JohnLilburne said:
I think there's an argument that she was sufficiently in control of the ball for the first catch to count. If she had caught it and thrown it up, she would have had it for less time.Andy_JS said:
Great catch, although it was very close indeed as to whether she was touching the ground before she jumped up in order to take the catch for the second time. I wonder whether the third umpire checked it.Big_G_NorthWales said:This is fantastic
Wow - stunning catch
BBC News - England v India: Harleen Deol makes stunning catch to dismiss Amy Jones
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/cricket/57785924
Throw it up, fall over the fence and not re-catch it and its never going to be considered out.1 -
Have hospitalisations and deaths mushroomed likewise?Foxy said:
Data not dates they said, then ignored the data. At least until the numbers mushroomed 10 fold in 6 weeks.Richard_Nabavi said:
Very sensible, except it's too late. We should have been doing that before things started getting out of control. That way venues could have safely opened earlier, to everyone's benefitHYUFD said:
Covid passports for the double vaccinated rather than track and trace and isolation for those in contact with an infected person seems to be the way ahead from July 19th if tonight's news is true.Philip_Thompson said:Just been told a local pub has had to close and cancel all bookings for this weekend, for the final, because a senior member of staff has tested positive and so now all the staff have to isolate and the pub has to close.
That frigging sucks. People have put their hearts and souls into their businesses and been through a nightmare and now they're going to lose thousands in trade this weekend. This madness needs to end.
So July 19th effectively becomes Freedom Day for the double vaccinated, if you are not vaccinated you could be refused entry to a club, pub or restaurant and cannot travel abroad without quarantine
The government should have been carefully laying the messaging groundwork for this for months, as well as making practical preparations. They've done neither. It will therefore be a disaster.
I appreciate that as an NHS guy you would rather no patients and no illness but that suggests you are in the wrong job.-1 -
Yes, but even in his Cabinet you'd hope Ministers (or rather staff) would have put together plans which could be thrown together once the scramble determines an outcome.Richard_Nabavi said:
It's not really baffling. Boris is an utter incompetent who never looks more than half a step ahead, and so keeps having to scramble to get out of holes.kle4 said:
It's a bit baffling considering we were expected to open up sooner, yet they seem almost caught unawares.Richard_Nabavi said:
Very sensible, except it's too late. We should have been doing that before things started getting out of control. That way venues could have safely opened earlier, to everyone's benefitHYUFD said:
Covid passports for the double vaccinated rather than track and trace and isolation for those in contact with an infected person seems to be the way ahead from July 19th if tonight's news is true.Philip_Thompson said:Just been told a local pub has had to close and cancel all bookings for this weekend, for the final, because a senior member of staff has tested positive and so now all the staff have to isolate and the pub has to close.
That frigging sucks. People have put their hearts and souls into their businesses and been through a nightmare and now they're going to lose thousands in trade this weekend. This madness needs to end.
So July 19th effectively becomes Freedom Day for the double vaccinated, if you are not vaccinated you could be refused entry to a club, pub or restaurant and cannot travel abroad without quarantine
The government should have been carefully laying the messaging groundwork for this for months, as well as making practical preparations. They've done neither. It will therefore be a disaster.0 -
I wonder how bad it would have to get before he buckled?rottenborough said:
Can he survive yet another u-turn and lockdown?Richard_Nabavi said:
It's not really baffling. Boris is an utter incompetent who never looks more than half a step ahead, and so keeps having to scramble to get out of holes.kle4 said:
It's a bit baffling considering we were expected to open up sooner, yet they seem almost caught unawares.Richard_Nabavi said:
Very sensible, except it's too late. We should have been doing that before things started getting out of control. That way venues could have safely opened earlier, to everyone's benefitHYUFD said:
Covid passports for the double vaccinated rather than track and trace and isolation for those in contact with an infected person seems to be the way ahead from July 19th if tonight's news is true.Philip_Thompson said:Just been told a local pub has had to close and cancel all bookings for this weekend, for the final, because a senior member of staff has tested positive and so now all the staff have to isolate and the pub has to close.
That frigging sucks. People have put their hearts and souls into their businesses and been through a nightmare and now they're going to lose thousands in trade this weekend. This madness needs to end.
So July 19th effectively becomes Freedom Day for the double vaccinated, if you are not vaccinated you could be refused entry to a club, pub or restaurant and cannot travel abroad without quarantine
The government should have been carefully laying the messaging groundwork for this for months, as well as making practical preparations. They've done neither. It will therefore be a disaster.
He's been teflon so far as the public largely laughs along or gives him the benefit. But eventually that road runs out.0 -
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1) No it doesn't. I'm wheeling past the pub, I fancy a pint, I show my NHS vaccine cert (it's on my phone), I'm in. What's the issue?Mortimer said:
Three reasons why it won't work:Benpointer said:
I'm sure we had posters on hear last March saying masks won't work, industry won't support it.Mortimer said:
Won't work.rottenborough said:I see covid passports for pubs otherwise known as the national id tracking system are back.
It's like a f*cking zombie that just will not die. Always coming back just when you thought it was down.
Industry won't support it.
Only the stupid or frit think covid passports are either necessary or a good idea.
Edit to add: it doesn't have the numbers in Parliament.
Personally, I have been looking forward to 'Freedom Day' but in the last week I have been surprised that virtually all my friends and contacts are very cautious about opening up.
1) Opportunity cost - it prevents the spur of the moment drink, visit to a club etc - this is where entertainment makes money
2) Practicalities - it is impossible to enforce, and laws that invite breach should not enter on to our statute books. I'm not sure if anyone here has participated in the covid event trials? Well I have. I haven't had both jabs yet, so I had to do a LFT. Well, I did one. And then I entered the result. Entering the result is in no way connected to the test. Getting a covid pass involves nothing more than saying you've had a negative test result. It is absolutely farcical.
3) The frit aren't going to be going out anyway. They'll be scared of their own shadow for months, if not years. The government need to lead, not follow a load of ignorant, uninformed people incapable of understanding that risk/reward is key to life itself.
2) Depends on the implementation obv. What are 'laws that invite breach'? Seat belt laws? Speeding laws?
3) The government need to build confidence. Masks did that. Border controls did that but weren't implemented fast or fully enough. Covid vaccine checks could do that too.0 -
Will The National rue the day…CarlottaVance said:
Not anti-English....no siree!0 -
It is just flipping unbelievable. He is a mixture of Harry Houdini and a greased piglet. He is barely human in his elusiveness. Nailing Boris is like trying to pin jelly to a wall.rottenborough said:
Can he survive yet another u-turn and lockdown?Richard_Nabavi said:
It's not really baffling. Boris is an utter incompetent who never looks more than half a step ahead, and so keeps having to scramble to get out of holes.kle4 said:
It's a bit baffling considering we were expected to open up sooner, yet they seem almost caught unawares.Richard_Nabavi said:
Very sensible, except it's too late. We should have been doing that before things started getting out of control. That way venues could have safely opened earlier, to everyone's benefitHYUFD said:
Covid passports for the double vaccinated rather than track and trace and isolation for those in contact with an infected person seems to be the way ahead from July 19th if tonight's news is true.Philip_Thompson said:Just been told a local pub has had to close and cancel all bookings for this weekend, for the final, because a senior member of staff has tested positive and so now all the staff have to isolate and the pub has to close.
That frigging sucks. People have put their hearts and souls into their businesses and been through a nightmare and now they're going to lose thousands in trade this weekend. This madness needs to end.
So July 19th effectively becomes Freedom Day for the double vaccinated, if you are not vaccinated you could be refused entry to a club, pub or restaurant and cannot travel abroad without quarantine
The government should have been carefully laying the messaging groundwork for this for months, as well as making practical preparations. They've done neither. It will therefore be a disaster.
He's been teflon so far as the public largely laughs along or gives him the benefit. But eventually that road runs out.0 -
But if that's the message BoJo wanted to convey, he did it really badly. He could have pointed out that there wasn't a Bank Holiday in 1966. That other countries manage without a public holiday when they win. Gently but firmly closing the door.Philip_Thompson said:
It wasn't my analogy, it was Stuart's.kle4 said:
Hmm, I don't really buy that. Sometimes adults very much need to be let down in an ungentle fashion too. Adults are very capable of deliberately not understanding a no unless told firmly. Better at it than children, in fact, as adults are craftier.Philip_Thompson said:
Speaking to a child, yes. Children need to hear the word no.Stuartinromford said:
You've got a child... You know that sometimes, a parent has to say "no". It makes you the baddie, it makes them feel bad, it makes you feel bad, but you have to say "no". Because anything else will be heard as "maybe, and enough weedling will turn that into a 'yes'".Philip_Thompson said:
It was an absolutely inane suggestion and he laughed it off and said he didn't want to tempt fate, which is a polite way to say no. That should have been the end of the issue, but then Sky wanted to play it up.Benpointer said:
AIUI Johnson had a chance to quash the rumour and, not surprisingly, flunked it.Philip_Thompson said:
Its absolutely delusional. Anyone suggesting it couldn't possibly have any real world business experience. There's not a chance in hell a bank holiday can be organised in 10 hours notice.justin124 said:I must say that the hysterical demands for a Bank Holiday are beginning to shift me from not giving a damn to hoping for a win for Italy.
https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/12351740/euro-2020-prime-minister-boris-johnson-tight-lipped-on-calls-for-emergency-bank-holiday-should-england-win-final
But BoJo can't say "no". He wants the person listening to him to feel good. And that's what makes him such a potent election winner.
But that also makes him terrible at a key part of his job.
Growns up should be different. Grown ups should be able to be let down gently and understand a polite no.
We shouldn't be demanding the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom speaks to us like we're little children.
I don't think that speaks to this particular issue around the bank holiday, I think it is a stupid idea but I don't think it matters that much if he is not in super serious mode in response, but I think your analogy is crap.
And I know me some crap analogies.
There is not a frigging chance in hell of Monday being a Bank Holiday. The PM laughing it off, saying he doesn't want to tempt fate, should to anyone sane be clearly the end of the matter.
The notion that at 11:15pm on a Sunday night the Prime Minister is going to call the Queen and make an executive decision that the Monday starting 45 minutes later is a Bank Holiday . . . nobody sane is going to think that.
Anyone claiming he kept it open was being deliberately obtuse. Its pathetic. The suggestion of a Bank Holiday with no notice is pathetic and the idea the PM kept it open with that reply? Give me a break.
By saying "Don't want to tempt fate" he left the door ajar. And given that the idea is obviously stupid, that either means that BoJo is a worse communicator than most parents and teachers, or he simply can't say no.0 -
Pizza is foreign food in Pisa, what do they know.SandyRentool said:
I had pineapple on my pizza in Pisa. And very nice it was too!TheScreamingEagles said:
No, it is because of this.rottenborough said:Neil Henderson
@hendopolis
STAR: Italy: An apology #TomorrowsPapersToday
https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/1413595392428609543
Pizza on pineapple story!!!!
They must read PB surely?
From the Italy semi final at Wembley, here's an Italian fan.
Pizza should have little fishes on, and no they do not go with pineapple.0 -
It’s come back to me that he and Wings had some weird mutual respect thing going on. It suddenly makes a lot more sense..Alistair said:
He realised there was more money in being an oppressed right winger than being a faux centrist.Carnyx said:
He did change his tone very dramatically some years back. I can't recall exactly when, or if this coincided with a change of employer. But it was very noticeable. Did Alex Salmond pish in his cappucino or something?Theuniondivvie said:
Nevertheless he knows exactly what his market wants to hear. A pity for him so few of them live in Scotland.Alistair said:
What an absolute shit bag he is.CarlottaVance said:There is rather a lot of wind — a great heaving blast of hot air as Sturgeon relays familiar cant about every death being a tragedy and the pains and impositions of calling the shots. We know all this — not least because she keeps repeating it — but someone has told the First Minister this makes her sound relatable or empathetic and so we get the pained grimaces and the grave tone of voice. She’s not going to get independence any time soon but she must be in the running for a BAFTA.
https://stephendaisley.substack.com/p/sturgeon-meets-her-personality-cult0 -
That's the question - hasn't there been some evidence many people who were asked to self-isolate from the Test & Trace App have just ignored it?Mortimer said:
Polling is useless on issues like this.Foxy said:
Polling seems a lot more supportive than the thirsty mask phobes of PB.TOPPING said:SKS on the telly saying that the NHS app for pinging shouldn't be changed. Ie should remain pinging hundreds of thousands of people and telling them to self isolate for 10 days.
He really hasn't caught the mood of the nation, has he.
People want others to isolate if pinged, but themselves, no sireeee
As you say, people are quite prepared to obey the law - and want others to obey the law - until it affects them.
You could argue it's the same thing we see on housing - everyone supports more housing until you're facing a 20-storey block of flats on the brownfield site down the road.
The route for Labour in 2024 (as it was for Blair in 1997) is to promise to do nothing much at all but do what is currently being done better than the Conservatives.0 -
That was an ONLINE ONLY poll. You can argue about whether that skews questions like VI at the next election. You'd expect a skew if the question was Do you think people who complete online polling questionnaires are complete and utter wankers who deserve to die on spikes? The questions in the ipsos mori poll were closer to the latter than the former. So ignore, unless replicated in a non-internet poll.TheScreamingEagles said:
Well that Ipsos MORI poll says he has.TOPPING said:SKS on the telly saying that the NHS app for pinging shouldn't be changed. Ie should remain pinging hundreds of thousands of people and telling them to self isolate for 10 days.
He really hasn't caught the mood of the nation, has he.0 -
That is a little abusive to say the least.TOPPING said:
Have hospitalisations and deaths mushroomed likewise?Foxy said:
Data not dates they said, then ignored the data. At least until the numbers mushroomed 10 fold in 6 weeks.Richard_Nabavi said:
Very sensible, except it's too late. We should have been doing that before things started getting out of control. That way venues could have safely opened earlier, to everyone's benefitHYUFD said:
Covid passports for the double vaccinated rather than track and trace and isolation for those in contact with an infected person seems to be the way ahead from July 19th if tonight's news is true.Philip_Thompson said:Just been told a local pub has had to close and cancel all bookings for this weekend, for the final, because a senior member of staff has tested positive and so now all the staff have to isolate and the pub has to close.
That frigging sucks. People have put their hearts and souls into their businesses and been through a nightmare and now they're going to lose thousands in trade this weekend. This madness needs to end.
So July 19th effectively becomes Freedom Day for the double vaccinated, if you are not vaccinated you could be refused entry to a club, pub or restaurant and cannot travel abroad without quarantine
The government should have been carefully laying the messaging groundwork for this for months, as well as making practical preparations. They've done neither. It will therefore be a disaster.
I appreciate that as an NHS guy you would rather no patients and no illness but that suggests you are in the wrong job.1 -
Hospitalisations and deaths are a lagging indicator.TOPPING said:
Have hospitalisations and deaths mushroomed likewise?Foxy said:
Data not dates they said, then ignored the data. At least until the numbers mushroomed 10 fold in 6 weeks.Richard_Nabavi said:
Very sensible, except it's too late. We should have been doing that before things started getting out of control. That way venues could have safely opened earlier, to everyone's benefitHYUFD said:
Covid passports for the double vaccinated rather than track and trace and isolation for those in contact with an infected person seems to be the way ahead from July 19th if tonight's news is true.Philip_Thompson said:Just been told a local pub has had to close and cancel all bookings for this weekend, for the final, because a senior member of staff has tested positive and so now all the staff have to isolate and the pub has to close.
That frigging sucks. People have put their hearts and souls into their businesses and been through a nightmare and now they're going to lose thousands in trade this weekend. This madness needs to end.
So July 19th effectively becomes Freedom Day for the double vaccinated, if you are not vaccinated you could be refused entry to a club, pub or restaurant and cannot travel abroad without quarantine
The government should have been carefully laying the messaging groundwork for this for months, as well as making practical preparations. They've done neither. It will therefore be a disaster.
I appreciate that as an NHS guy you would rather no patients and no illness but that suggests you are in the wrong job.
When have I advocated continued lockdown?
I have just advocated keeping masks on public transport, essential shops and for businesses to decide what masks and other measures to take.
But if the government is going for the "let it rip" strategy then they need to hold their nerve, not buckle at the first whiff of trouble.1 -
Or that Boris is speaking to adults and not toddlers.Stuartinromford said:
But if that's the message BoJo wanted to convey, he did it really badly. He could have pointed out that there wasn't a Bank Holiday in 1966. That other countries manage without a public holiday when they win. Gently but firmly closing the door.Philip_Thompson said:
It wasn't my analogy, it was Stuart's.kle4 said:
Hmm, I don't really buy that. Sometimes adults very much need to be let down in an ungentle fashion too. Adults are very capable of deliberately not understanding a no unless told firmly. Better at it than children, in fact, as adults are craftier.Philip_Thompson said:
Speaking to a child, yes. Children need to hear the word no.Stuartinromford said:
You've got a child... You know that sometimes, a parent has to say "no". It makes you the baddie, it makes them feel bad, it makes you feel bad, but you have to say "no". Because anything else will be heard as "maybe, and enough weedling will turn that into a 'yes'".Philip_Thompson said:
It was an absolutely inane suggestion and he laughed it off and said he didn't want to tempt fate, which is a polite way to say no. That should have been the end of the issue, but then Sky wanted to play it up.Benpointer said:
AIUI Johnson had a chance to quash the rumour and, not surprisingly, flunked it.Philip_Thompson said:
Its absolutely delusional. Anyone suggesting it couldn't possibly have any real world business experience. There's not a chance in hell a bank holiday can be organised in 10 hours notice.justin124 said:I must say that the hysterical demands for a Bank Holiday are beginning to shift me from not giving a damn to hoping for a win for Italy.
https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/12351740/euro-2020-prime-minister-boris-johnson-tight-lipped-on-calls-for-emergency-bank-holiday-should-england-win-final
But BoJo can't say "no". He wants the person listening to him to feel good. And that's what makes him such a potent election winner.
But that also makes him terrible at a key part of his job.
Growns up should be different. Grown ups should be able to be let down gently and understand a polite no.
We shouldn't be demanding the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom speaks to us like we're little children.
I don't think that speaks to this particular issue around the bank holiday, I think it is a stupid idea but I don't think it matters that much if he is not in super serious mode in response, but I think your analogy is crap.
And I know me some crap analogies.
There is not a frigging chance in hell of Monday being a Bank Holiday. The PM laughing it off, saying he doesn't want to tempt fate, should to anyone sane be clearly the end of the matter.
The notion that at 11:15pm on a Sunday night the Prime Minister is going to call the Queen and make an executive decision that the Monday starting 45 minutes later is a Bank Holiday . . . nobody sane is going to think that.
Anyone claiming he kept it open was being deliberately obtuse. Its pathetic. The suggestion of a Bank Holiday with no notice is pathetic and the idea the PM kept it open with that reply? Give me a break.
By saying "Don't want to tempt fate" he left the door ajar. And given that the idea is obviously stupid, that either means that BoJo is a worse communicator than most parents and teachers, or he simply can't say no.0 -
Presumably those who have been on furlough for the past 16 months aren't too fussed about an extra Bank Holiday.1
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It’s a nice twist thoughBenpointer said:
Finding out now must be hard to stomach.kle4 said:
I wish I'd know that before I began the first thrust of my seppuku.Benpointer said:
You know that 'gutted' means 'bitterly disappointed or upset', not disembowelled, in that context?state_go_away said:
Quite - the reaction will be far overblown whatever the result - they will be called heroes (which clearly they are not) or they will be "gutted" (which clearly they will not be)justin124 said:
But only a minority - admittedly a large one - watched the England v Denmark game.state_go_away said:
Trouble is then everyone will be and post they are "gutted" and the media will act as though it was the Fall of Singaporejustin124 said:I must say that the hysterical demands for a Bank Holiday are beginning to shift me from not giving a damn to hoping for a win for Italy.
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But the paradox is that, by having to escape from so many scrapes, Johnson has become damn good at escaping from scrapes.Richard_Nabavi said:
It's not really baffling. Boris is an utter incompetent who never looks more than half a step ahead, and so keeps having to scramble to get out of holes.kle4 said:
It's a bit baffling considering we were expected to open up sooner, yet they seem almost caught unawares.Richard_Nabavi said:
Very sensible, except it's too late. We should have been doing that before things started getting out of control. That way venues could have safely opened earlier, to everyone's benefitHYUFD said:
Covid passports for the double vaccinated rather than track and trace and isolation for those in contact with an infected person seems to be the way ahead from July 19th if tonight's news is true.Philip_Thompson said:Just been told a local pub has had to close and cancel all bookings for this weekend, for the final, because a senior member of staff has tested positive and so now all the staff have to isolate and the pub has to close.
That frigging sucks. People have put their hearts and souls into their businesses and been through a nightmare and now they're going to lose thousands in trade this weekend. This madness needs to end.
So July 19th effectively becomes Freedom Day for the double vaccinated, if you are not vaccinated you could be refused entry to a club, pub or restaurant and cannot travel abroad without quarantine
The government should have been carefully laying the messaging groundwork for this for months, as well as making practical preparations. They've done neither. It will therefore be a disaster.
Had he put all that intelligence into avoiding the scrapes, would he have made it to the top?0 -
The proposed BH is on the 19th, or the Monday starting 7 days and 45 minutes later.Philip_Thompson said:
It wasn't my analogy, it was Stuart's.kle4 said:
Hmm, I don't really buy that. Sometimes adults very much need to be let down in an ungentle fashion too. Adults are very capable of deliberately not understanding a no unless told firmly. Better at it than children, in fact, as adults are craftier.Philip_Thompson said:
Speaking to a child, yes. Children need to hear the word no.Stuartinromford said:
You've got a child... You know that sometimes, a parent has to say "no". It makes you the baddie, it makes them feel bad, it makes you feel bad, but you have to say "no". Because anything else will be heard as "maybe, and enough weedling will turn that into a 'yes'".Philip_Thompson said:
It was an absolutely inane suggestion and he laughed it off and said he didn't want to tempt fate, which is a polite way to say no. That should have been the end of the issue, but then Sky wanted to play it up.Benpointer said:
AIUI Johnson had a chance to quash the rumour and, not surprisingly, flunked it.Philip_Thompson said:
Its absolutely delusional. Anyone suggesting it couldn't possibly have any real world business experience. There's not a chance in hell a bank holiday can be organised in 10 hours notice.justin124 said:I must say that the hysterical demands for a Bank Holiday are beginning to shift me from not giving a damn to hoping for a win for Italy.
https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/12351740/euro-2020-prime-minister-boris-johnson-tight-lipped-on-calls-for-emergency-bank-holiday-should-england-win-final
But BoJo can't say "no". He wants the person listening to him to feel good. And that's what makes him such a potent election winner.
But that also makes him terrible at a key part of his job.
Growns up should be different. Grown ups should be able to be let down gently and understand a polite no.
We shouldn't be demanding the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom speaks to us like we're little children.
I don't think that speaks to this particular issue around the bank holiday, I think it is a stupid idea but I don't think it matters that much if he is not in super serious mode in response, but I think your analogy is crap.
And I know me some crap analogies.
There is not a frigging chance in hell of Monday being a Bank Holiday. The PM laughing it off, saying he doesn't want to tempt fate, should to anyone sane be clearly the end of the matter.
The notion that at 11:15pm on a Sunday night the Prime Minister is going to call the Queen and make an executive decision that the Monday starting 45 minutes later is a Bank Holiday . . . nobody sane is going to think that.
Anyone claiming he kept it open was being deliberately obtuse. Its pathetic. The suggestion of a Bank Holiday with no notice is pathetic and the idea the PM kept it open with that reply? Give me a break.0 -
Not a crazy view at all. First off they haven't buckled. Yet. Second of all mask wearing is damaging to many people. And as we asked ourselves last time round what makes an essential shop? Confusion would reign.Foxy said:
Hospitalisations and deaths are a lagging indicator.TOPPING said:
Have hospitalisations and deaths mushroomed likewise?Foxy said:
Data not dates they said, then ignored the data. At least until the numbers mushroomed 10 fold in 6 weeks.Richard_Nabavi said:
Very sensible, except it's too late. We should have been doing that before things started getting out of control. That way venues could have safely opened earlier, to everyone's benefitHYUFD said:
Covid passports for the double vaccinated rather than track and trace and isolation for those in contact with an infected person seems to be the way ahead from July 19th if tonight's news is true.Philip_Thompson said:Just been told a local pub has had to close and cancel all bookings for this weekend, for the final, because a senior member of staff has tested positive and so now all the staff have to isolate and the pub has to close.
That frigging sucks. People have put their hearts and souls into their businesses and been through a nightmare and now they're going to lose thousands in trade this weekend. This madness needs to end.
So July 19th effectively becomes Freedom Day for the double vaccinated, if you are not vaccinated you could be refused entry to a club, pub or restaurant and cannot travel abroad without quarantine
The government should have been carefully laying the messaging groundwork for this for months, as well as making practical preparations. They've done neither. It will therefore be a disaster.
I appreciate that as an NHS guy you would rather no patients and no illness but that suggests you are in the wrong job.
When have I advocated continued lockdown?
I have just advocated keeping masks on public transport, essential shops and for businesses to decide what masks and other measures to take.
But if the government is going for the "let it rip" strategy then they need to hold their nerve, not buckle at the first whiff of trouble.
You said data not dates. Cases have skyrocketed. To repeat my question, have deaths and hospitalisations done so also?
You tell me are we now at the point of the numbers being the same as a bad flu year. Would you advocate masks at such a time?0 -
True, but not much consolation for the rest of us.Stuartinromford said:
But the paradox is that, by having to escape from so many scrapes, Johnson has become damn good at escaping from scrapes.Richard_Nabavi said:
It's not really baffling. Boris is an utter incompetent who never looks more than half a step ahead, and so keeps having to scramble to get out of holes.kle4 said:
It's a bit baffling considering we were expected to open up sooner, yet they seem almost caught unawares.Richard_Nabavi said:
Very sensible, except it's too late. We should have been doing that before things started getting out of control. That way venues could have safely opened earlier, to everyone's benefitHYUFD said:
Covid passports for the double vaccinated rather than track and trace and isolation for those in contact with an infected person seems to be the way ahead from July 19th if tonight's news is true.Philip_Thompson said:Just been told a local pub has had to close and cancel all bookings for this weekend, for the final, because a senior member of staff has tested positive and so now all the staff have to isolate and the pub has to close.
That frigging sucks. People have put their hearts and souls into their businesses and been through a nightmare and now they're going to lose thousands in trade this weekend. This madness needs to end.
So July 19th effectively becomes Freedom Day for the double vaccinated, if you are not vaccinated you could be refused entry to a club, pub or restaurant and cannot travel abroad without quarantine
The government should have been carefully laying the messaging groundwork for this for months, as well as making practical preparations. They've done neither. It will therefore be a disaster.
Had he put all that intelligence into avoiding the scrapes, would he have made it to the top?1 -
Is it abusive to say a doctor doesn't want any deaths or illness?Daveyboy1961 said:
That is a little abusive to say the least.TOPPING said:
Have hospitalisations and deaths mushroomed likewise?Foxy said:
Data not dates they said, then ignored the data. At least until the numbers mushroomed 10 fold in 6 weeks.Richard_Nabavi said:
Very sensible, except it's too late. We should have been doing that before things started getting out of control. That way venues could have safely opened earlier, to everyone's benefitHYUFD said:
Covid passports for the double vaccinated rather than track and trace and isolation for those in contact with an infected person seems to be the way ahead from July 19th if tonight's news is true.Philip_Thompson said:Just been told a local pub has had to close and cancel all bookings for this weekend, for the final, because a senior member of staff has tested positive and so now all the staff have to isolate and the pub has to close.
That frigging sucks. People have put their hearts and souls into their businesses and been through a nightmare and now they're going to lose thousands in trade this weekend. This madness needs to end.
So July 19th effectively becomes Freedom Day for the double vaccinated, if you are not vaccinated you could be refused entry to a club, pub or restaurant and cannot travel abroad without quarantine
The government should have been carefully laying the messaging groundwork for this for months, as well as making practical preparations. They've done neither. It will therefore be a disaster.
I appreciate that as an NHS guy you would rather no patients and no illness but that suggests you are in the wrong job.0 -
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Although, from memory HYUFD is the only Scotch expert with plans to invade and park tanks on your Ayrshire lawn.malcolmg said:
Carnyx , if you piled up the manure spouted on here about Scotland it would be higher than Mt Everest. The amount of supposed Scotch experts pontificating merde on here is unbelievable. HYFUD is not even the worst, he at least has some conviction.Carnyx said:FPT
Carnyx said:
The best I can do is to assume that it has been scrubbed so that the likes of HYUFD can make up stories about being under the SNP jackboot in the next General Election, as indeed he has helpfully just done - completely ignoring the SNP principle of keeping well clear of truly English legislation.Black_Rook said:
I really don't know what the Government is playing at when it comes to EVEL. It would be fascinating to hear a convincing explanation.Carnyx said:
It makes a change from more Union Flags than an Orange march, I must say.Black_Rook said:
In the replies:CarlottaVance said:Emily Thornbury look away:
https://twitter.com/christiancalgie/status/1413529439208714250?s=20
"The perfect cover under which to get rid of English Votes for English Laws"
But why scrub EVEL? And why is HYUFD so exercised about hacing an English Parliament all of a sudden?
As for Unionists, they're at sixes and sevens over how to put right the mess that New Labour created. If you're not going either to reverse devolution outright or accept that dissolution is inevitable, then federalism is the other stable endpoint - in theory. Some embrace it, others think that an English Parliament would give rise to an English National Party in about five minutes flat and it would pull the whole house down.
Once is moved once again to conclude that Tam Dalyell was right. Devolution = death to the UK. It's just a matter of time.
The development of an English Pmt is not in itself illogical but the Tories have been hostile to any interference with what suited Charles I et al that their apparent enthusiasm is on a par with the DUP legalising gay dinosaur birthday cakes with "Lá Breithe Shona dhuit!" iced on them. So a healthyt dose of scepticism is called for.0 -
He's caught the mood of leftie metropolitan social media.TOPPING said:SKS on the telly saying that the NHS app for pinging shouldn't be changed. Ie should remain pinging hundreds of thousands of people and telling them to self isolate for 10 days.
He really hasn't caught the mood of the nation, has he.1 -
So in short you want ID cards and to be like Australia which has thousands of its own citizens unable to return home.Benpointer said:
1) No it doesn't. I'm wheeling past the pub, I fancy a pint, I show my NHS vaccine cert (it's on my phone), I'm in. What's the issue?Mortimer said:
Three reasons why it won't work:Benpointer said:
I'm sure we had posters on hear last March saying masks won't work, industry won't support it.Mortimer said:
Won't work.rottenborough said:I see covid passports for pubs otherwise known as the national id tracking system are back.
It's like a f*cking zombie that just will not die. Always coming back just when you thought it was down.
Industry won't support it.
Only the stupid or frit think covid passports are either necessary or a good idea.
Edit to add: it doesn't have the numbers in Parliament.
Personally, I have been looking forward to 'Freedom Day' but in the last week I have been surprised that virtually all my friends and contacts are very cautious about opening up.
1) Opportunity cost - it prevents the spur of the moment drink, visit to a club etc - this is where entertainment makes money
2) Practicalities - it is impossible to enforce, and laws that invite breach should not enter on to our statute books. I'm not sure if anyone here has participated in the covid event trials? Well I have. I haven't had both jabs yet, so I had to do a LFT. Well, I did one. And then I entered the result. Entering the result is in no way connected to the test. Getting a covid pass involves nothing more than saying you've had a negative test result. It is absolutely farcical.
3) The frit aren't going to be going out anyway. They'll be scared of their own shadow for months, if not years. The government need to lead, not follow a load of ignorant, uninformed people incapable of understanding that risk/reward is key to life itself.
2) Depends on the implementation obv. What are 'laws that invite breach'? Seat belt laws? Speeding laws?
3) The government need to build confidence. Masks did that. Border controls did that but weren't implemented fast or fully enough. Covid vaccine checks could do that too.
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Come on BJO, fair play. We are only 3.6 points adrift of the Tories. One last heave!bigjohnowls said:On Topic
Another great result for Lab. They managed to retain their position in the top 5
OK they were first previously and they did go from over 40% to 4.4% but i am sure Mike will manage to turn it into a total triumph in a future thread
@BritainElects
St Neots East (Huntingdonshire), council by-election result:
IND: 42.5% (+42.5)
GRN: 33.4% (+33.4)
LDEM: 11.6% (-15.9)
CON: 8.0% (-24.0)
LAB: 4.4% (-36.0)
Independent GAIN from Labour.0 -
Wittier than the front of the daily star.Theuniondivvie said:
Will The National rue the day…CarlottaVance said:
Not anti-English....no siree!0 -
Why has the government changed its mind on passports for pubs and restaurants? Just a couple of weeks ago they promised this wouldn't happen.
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Not abusive, merely misrepresenting my views.TOPPING said:
Is it abusive to say a doctor doesn't want any deaths or illness?Daveyboy1961 said:
That is a little abusive to say the least.TOPPING said:
Have hospitalisations and deaths mushroomed likewise?Foxy said:
Data not dates they said, then ignored the data. At least until the numbers mushroomed 10 fold in 6 weeks.Richard_Nabavi said:
Very sensible, except it's too late. We should have been doing that before things started getting out of control. That way venues could have safely opened earlier, to everyone's benefitHYUFD said:
Covid passports for the double vaccinated rather than track and trace and isolation for those in contact with an infected person seems to be the way ahead from July 19th if tonight's news is true.Philip_Thompson said:Just been told a local pub has had to close and cancel all bookings for this weekend, for the final, because a senior member of staff has tested positive and so now all the staff have to isolate and the pub has to close.
That frigging sucks. People have put their hearts and souls into their businesses and been through a nightmare and now they're going to lose thousands in trade this weekend. This madness needs to end.
So July 19th effectively becomes Freedom Day for the double vaccinated, if you are not vaccinated you could be refused entry to a club, pub or restaurant and cannot travel abroad without quarantine
The government should have been carefully laying the messaging groundwork for this for months, as well as making practical preparations. They've done neither. It will therefore be a disaster.
I appreciate that as an NHS guy you would rather no patients and no illness but that suggests you are in the wrong job.1 -
Not really - he has the not insignificant constituency of the frightened on his side. We see in the polls continued support for restrictions and that to this observer translates into support for the Government during this continuing "crisis".Sunil_Prasannan said:
It is just flipping unbelievable. He is a mixture of Harry Houdini and a greased piglet. He is barely human in his elusiveness. Nailing Boris is like trying to pin jelly to a wall.
In times of fear, people rally to the Government. Oddly enough, by ending the crisis, there's a political risk for Johnson - the short term popularity boost of the end of restrictions versus the longer term restoration of political normality at which point we can begin to assess the true competence of the Government (and Opposition).0 -
You didn't answer my question. Data not dates. Hospitalisations and deaths. What are the data?Foxy said:
Not abusive, merely misrepresenting my views.TOPPING said:
Is it abusive to say a doctor doesn't want any deaths or illness?Daveyboy1961 said:
That is a little abusive to say the least.TOPPING said:
Have hospitalisations and deaths mushroomed likewise?Foxy said:
Data not dates they said, then ignored the data. At least until the numbers mushroomed 10 fold in 6 weeks.Richard_Nabavi said:
Very sensible, except it's too late. We should have been doing that before things started getting out of control. That way venues could have safely opened earlier, to everyone's benefitHYUFD said:
Covid passports for the double vaccinated rather than track and trace and isolation for those in contact with an infected person seems to be the way ahead from July 19th if tonight's news is true.Philip_Thompson said:Just been told a local pub has had to close and cancel all bookings for this weekend, for the final, because a senior member of staff has tested positive and so now all the staff have to isolate and the pub has to close.
That frigging sucks. People have put their hearts and souls into their businesses and been through a nightmare and now they're going to lose thousands in trade this weekend. This madness needs to end.
So July 19th effectively becomes Freedom Day for the double vaccinated, if you are not vaccinated you could be refused entry to a club, pub or restaurant and cannot travel abroad without quarantine
The government should have been carefully laying the messaging groundwork for this for months, as well as making practical preparations. They've done neither. It will therefore be a disaster.
I appreciate that as an NHS guy you would rather no patients and no illness but that suggests you are in the wrong job.0 -
I think that's factually incorrect as far as the laws of cricket are concerned. If you're about to topple over the boundary rope, you can't claim to be fully in control of the ball.JohnLilburne said:
I think there's an argument that she was sufficiently in control of the ball for the first catch to count. If she had caught it and thrown it up, she would have had it for less time.Andy_JS said:
Great catch, although it was very close indeed as to whether she was touching the ground before she jumped up in order to take the catch for the second time. I wonder whether the third umpire checked it.Big_G_NorthWales said:This is fantastic
Wow - stunning catch
BBC News - England v India: Harleen Deol makes stunning catch to dismiss Amy Jones
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/cricket/577859240 -
Polling suggests that there is little SE class or regional divide over continuing measures, with a slight trend to older voters supporting.LostPassword said:
He's caught the mood of leftie metropolitan social media.TOPPING said:SKS on the telly saying that the NHS app for pinging shouldn't be changed. Ie should remain pinging hundreds of thousands of people and telling them to self isolate for 10 days.
He really hasn't caught the mood of the nation, has he.0
