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Yet, the immune system needs a regular workout as someone posted or tweeted the other day.Andy_JS said:Brendan O'Neill:
"The mask meltdown in particular captured what is really going on here. Sections of the elite are bristling against the lifting of restrictions not because the stats suggest we are heading for another wave as deadly as the first and second – they suggest no such thing – but because they fear other people. Our faces, our breath, the noises we make. Masks will ‘provide an extra layer of defence from the person an inch from your face on the Northern line who hasn’t cleaned their teeth’, said that Indie columnist. In the future we will ‘look back in disbelief at the way we once breathed and snorted and coughed over each other, letting germs and bugs run riot’, he argued. A masked society, in which we all enjoy a modicum of protection from other people’s germ-ridden expressions, is ‘heaven’, he says. Translation: Hell is other people."
https://www.spiked-online.com/2021/07/06/boris-dont-give-in-to-the-neurotic-middle-classes/0 -
Back to the statues.williamglenn said:
Everyone thought Columbo was an idiot. But it was all an act and he was just reeling them to collect the evidence.Fysics_Teacher said:
Everybody thought Columbus was an idiot. They were right.Nigelb said:Culture war tactics I almost approve of...
Movement grows to replace statues of Columbus with ones dedicated to a more respected figure—TV detective Lieutenant Columbo
https://www.theartnewspaper.com/news/movement-grows-to-replace-statues-of-columbus-with-ones-dedicated-to-a-more-respected-figure-tv-detective-lieutenant-columbo
...“Through a better understanding of history, Christopher Columbus no longer represents the values we wish to instill on future generations, yet monuments of this controversial figure are still in place throughout the country,” the organiser Ryan Toohey says. “We should replace the Columbus statue in Detroit with that of someone we can all admire; someone who always pursued truth and justice—Columbo. With only slight modifications to the plaque and the addition of a frumpy coat to the original statue, we can transform a symbol of hate into a beacon of hope.”...
He miscalculated the size of the Earth, getting a value about half the true value and so thought that India/China (he basically thought they were the same) and so thought that India was only a few thousand km west of Portugal.
That is why the native people of the Americas were called Indians for so long, and why we talk about the West Indies: Columbus died convinced that he had found India.
So the plan is to tear down statues of an Italian immigrant and replace it with statues of non-Italian rich white man who plays an Italian origin *policeman* as a *hero*? A hero who arrests women and minorities and does so without any real world US police behaviour?
Where this did come from - Donald Trump?1 -
Investigation launched into private email use in Department of Health https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/jul/06/investigation-launched-into-private-email-use-in-department-of-health?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter0
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Kaspar! 🤣🤣🤣Scott_xP said:🗣 "What would it mean to you guys to stop it 'coming home' tomorrow night?"
"Has it ever been home? Have you ever won it?"
Kasper Schmeichel went there 💥
#ENGDEN | #ITVFootball | #Euro2020 https://twitter.com/itvfootball/status/1412501016118022144/video/10 -
I don't agree the protests were effective though. What was effective was large numbers not paying it and refusing and the polling. The idiots rioting didnt change a single mind. In fact a lot of protests like for example xr are actually counterproductive and turn people against what is being protested about.stodge said:
I'm not sure I wholly agree.Pagan2 said:
Theoretically I am all for the right to protest and we should all be in a democracy. Indeed have been on more than a few myself. However I am ambivalent about this for one simple reason. Protests never changed a damn thing in this country. All they do at best is make headlines and at worst decline into property damage and violence.
If protests changed anything then I would be up in arms about this bill. As they don't I tend to go meh.
The anti-Poll Tax (or Community Charge if you prefer) protests were effective (NOT, I stress, the riot in London but the more peaceful and eccentric protests in rural England) when combined with a poor set of local elections which in turn fuelled more discontent which led ultimately to the overthrow of Margaret Thatcher.
Street protest has worked in non-democratic systems (1989 Eastern Europe being a good example).
In a democracy, it shouldn't work by itself but should be a catalyst to change within the process along with other activity.
If protests work I would fight for them tooth and nail....just I dont think they make a damn bit of difference apart from giving the protestors that "we did something" feeling0 -
"Guardian analysis". It's always amusing when journalists do amateur statistics and think they've discovered something amazing that nobody else has considered.solarflare said:Back to covid (oh dear) but this seems to be up there with the Warwick modelling for nonsensical projections:
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/coronavirus/data-predicts-2m-uk-summer-covid-cases-with-10m-isolating/ar-AALQxT5?ocid=msedgntp
I wonder if they've considered the likelihood that once numbers start getting reasonably large, many of the close contacts of infected people will be... the same as the close contacts of other simultaneously infected people...1 -
I feel somehow you haven’t quite entered into the spirit of the thing.Malmesbury said:
Back to the statues.williamglenn said:
Everyone thought Columbo was an idiot. But it was all an act and he was just reeling them to collect the evidence.Fysics_Teacher said:
Everybody thought Columbus was an idiot. They were right.Nigelb said:Culture war tactics I almost approve of...
Movement grows to replace statues of Columbus with ones dedicated to a more respected figure—TV detective Lieutenant Columbo
https://www.theartnewspaper.com/news/movement-grows-to-replace-statues-of-columbus-with-ones-dedicated-to-a-more-respected-figure-tv-detective-lieutenant-columbo
...“Through a better understanding of history, Christopher Columbus no longer represents the values we wish to instill on future generations, yet monuments of this controversial figure are still in place throughout the country,” the organiser Ryan Toohey says. “We should replace the Columbus statue in Detroit with that of someone we can all admire; someone who always pursued truth and justice—Columbo. With only slight modifications to the plaque and the addition of a frumpy coat to the original statue, we can transform a symbol of hate into a beacon of hope.”...
He miscalculated the size of the Earth, getting a value about half the true value and so thought that India/China (he basically thought they were the same) and so thought that India was only a few thousand km west of Portugal.
That is why the native people of the Americas were called Indians for so long, and why we talk about the West Indies: Columbus died convinced that he had found India.
So the plan is to tear down statues of an Italian immigrant and replace it with statues of non-Italian rich white man who plays an Italian origin *policeman* as a *hero*? A hero who arrests women and minorities and does so without any real world US police behaviour?
Where this did come from - Donald Trump?0 -
In fact, it keeps millions of SeanTs *off* the streets....Pagan2 said:
The difference though is posting on PB doesnt inconvenience people just trying to get on with their daily lives, cause lots of street trash or end up with injured people all of which street protest tends towardsNigelb said:
I absolutely disagree; it’s one of the fundamental rights.stodge said:
I'm not sure I wholly agree.Pagan2 said:
Theoretically I am all for the right to protest and we should all be in a democracy. Indeed have been on more than a few myself. However I am ambivalent about this for one simple reason. Protests never changed a damn thing in this country. All they do at best is make headlines and at worst decline into property damage and violence.
If protests changed anything then I would be up in arms about this bill. As they don't I tend to go meh.
The anti-Poll Tax (or Community Charge if you prefer) protests were effective (NOT, I stress, the riot in London but the more peaceful and eccentric protests in rural England) when combined with a poor set of local elections which in turn fuelled more discontent which led ultimately to the overthrow of Margaret Thatcher.
Street protest has worked in non-democratic systems (1989 Eastern Europe being a good example).
In a democracy, it shouldn't work by itself but should be a catalyst to change within the process along with other activity.
I’m not convinced posting in PB ever changed anything. Would we be happy if government made it illegal ?1 -
Point of order. Columbus wasn't an immigrant. Nor did he ever set foot in the USA.Malmesbury said:
Back to the statue.williamglenn said:
Everyone thought Columbo was an idiot. But it was all an act and he was just reeling them to collect the evidence.Fysics_Teacher said:
Everybody thought Columbus was an idiot. They were right.Nigelb said:Culture war tactics I almost approve of...
Movement grows to replace statues of Columbus with ones dedicated to a more respected figure—TV detective Lieutenant Columbo
https://www.theartnewspaper.com/news/movement-grows-to-replace-statues-of-columbus-with-ones-dedicated-to-a-more-respected-figure-tv-detective-lieutenant-columbo
...“Through a better understanding of history, Christopher Columbus no longer represents the values we wish to instill on future generations, yet monuments of this controversial figure are still in place throughout the country,” the organiser Ryan Toohey says. “We should replace the Columbus statue in Detroit with that of someone we can all admire; someone who always pursued truth and justice—Columbo. With only slight modifications to the plaque and the addition of a frumpy coat to the original statue, we can transform a symbol of hate into a beacon of hope.”...
He miscalculated the size of the Earth, getting a value about half the true value and so thought that India/China (he basically thought they were the same) and so thought that India was only a few thousand km west of Portugal.
That is why the native people of the Americas were called Indians for so long, and why we talk about the West Indies: Columbus died convinced that he had found India.
So the plan is to tear down statues of an Italian immigrant and replace it with statues of non-Italian rich white man who plays an Italian origin *policeman* as a *hero*? A hero who arrests women and minorities and does so without any real world US police behaviour?
Where did come from - Donald Trump?
So quite why he's there at all is historically questionable.0 -
Spain equalise!!0
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Quality equaliser.
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Spain equalise
Italy 5.7
Spain 5.9
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Quality goal there. Spain can actually finish.0 -
This really ought to have been the final.0
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Putin’s mate Lukashenko is also nothing but a gangster.Nigelb said:Bit unusual to detain diplomats …
https://twitter.com/biannagolodryga/status/1412439870434430981
Well this is an escalation…
The FSB has detained the Estonian Consul General in St. Petersburg who they allege obtained “classified information”.
An American lawyer went on a lunch date in Moscow. Now he's languishing in a jail cell in Belarus
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Well, he was a foreigner who rocked up in a new country* and started living there (somewhat later).dixiedean said:
Point of order. Columbus wasn't an immigrant. Nor did he ever set foot in the USA.Malmesbury said:
Back to the statue.williamglenn said:
Everyone thought Columbo was an idiot. But it was all an act and he was just reeling them to collect the evidence.Fysics_Teacher said:
Everybody thought Columbus was an idiot. They were right.Nigelb said:Culture war tactics I almost approve of...
Movement grows to replace statues of Columbus with ones dedicated to a more respected figure—TV detective Lieutenant Columbo
https://www.theartnewspaper.com/news/movement-grows-to-replace-statues-of-columbus-with-ones-dedicated-to-a-more-respected-figure-tv-detective-lieutenant-columbo
...“Through a better understanding of history, Christopher Columbus no longer represents the values we wish to instill on future generations, yet monuments of this controversial figure are still in place throughout the country,” the organiser Ryan Toohey says. “We should replace the Columbus statue in Detroit with that of someone we can all admire; someone who always pursued truth and justice—Columbo. With only slight modifications to the plaque and the addition of a frumpy coat to the original statue, we can transform a symbol of hate into a beacon of hope.”...
He miscalculated the size of the Earth, getting a value about half the true value and so thought that India/China (he basically thought they were the same) and so thought that India was only a few thousand km west of Portugal.
That is why the native people of the Americas were called Indians for so long, and why we talk about the West Indies: Columbus died convinced that he had found India.
So the plan is to tear down statues of an Italian immigrant and replace it with statues of non-Italian rich white man who plays an Italian origin *policeman* as a *hero*? A hero who arrests women and minorities and does so without any real world US police behaviour?
Where did come from - Donald Trump?
So quite why he's there at all is historically questionable.
You're not suggesting he was... the *wrong sort of immigrant*, are you?
And obviously by emigrating he raised average wages. Apart for the people he enslaved, of course....
*Not the US, but we all make mistakes...0 -
Come on extra time.....1
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There must be some fascinating modelling/research in the way that, in different societies and groups (age?) people mix in groups and the interaction between these groups. Are they intersecting sets or islands that rarely touch etc etc...alex_ said:
"Guardian analysis". It's always amusing when journalists do amateur statistics and think they've discovered something amazing that nobody else has considered.solarflare said:Back to covid (oh dear) but this seems to be up there with the Warwick modelling for nonsensical projections:
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/coronavirus/data-predicts-2m-uk-summer-covid-cases-with-10m-isolating/ar-AALQxT5?ocid=msedgntp
I wonder if they've considered the likelihood that once numbers start getting reasonably large, many of the close contacts of infected people will be... the same as the close contacts of other simultaneously infected people...0 -
I somehow doubt the Gruardian have fired up a Nvidia 3090 cluster to run their own Tensorflow / Pytorch / JAX model....Malmesbury said:
There must be some fascinating modelling/research in the way that, in different societies and groups (age?) people mix in groups and the interaction between these groups. Are they intersecting sets or islands that rarely touch etc etc...alex_ said:
"Guardian analysis". It's always amusing when journalists do amateur statistics and think they've discovered something amazing that nobody else has considered.solarflare said:Back to covid (oh dear) but this seems to be up there with the Warwick modelling for nonsensical projections:
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/coronavirus/data-predicts-2m-uk-summer-covid-cases-with-10m-isolating/ar-AALQxT5?ocid=msedgntp
I wonder if they've considered the likelihood that once numbers start getting reasonably large, many of the close contacts of infected people will be... the same as the close contacts of other simultaneously infected people...0 -
With a Lukaku, Ronaldo, Forsberg or Kane, Spain would walk this tournament.0
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At CNN, they called researching a story "too much" - as in researching a story to the point of discovering that there was no story - "F^&king a story"alex_ said:
"Guardian analysis". It's always amusing when journalists do amateur statistics and think they've discovered something amazing that nobody else has considered.solarflare said:Back to covid (oh dear) but this seems to be up there with the Warwick modelling for nonsensical projections:
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/coronavirus/data-predicts-2m-uk-summer-covid-cases-with-10m-isolating/ar-AALQxT5?ocid=msedgntp
I wonder if they've considered the likelihood that once numbers start getting reasonably large, many of the close contacts of infected people will be... the same as the close contacts of other simultaneously infected people...
As in "Why are you trying to F^&k my story?"0 -
Spain favourites to qualify.
Italy 2.06
Spain 1.940 -
No, they've just done the "assume the same number of cases every day linearly forever until the number gets silly" thing, and also assumed Test & Trace just always contact the same number of contacts per case, and then had the cheek to say that is "predicted by the data".FrancisUrquhart said:
I somehow doubt the Gruardian have fired up a Nvidia 3090 cluster to run their own Tensorflow / Pytorch / JAX model....Malmesbury said:
There must be some fascinating modelling/research in the way that, in different societies and groups (age?) people mix in groups and the interaction between these groups. Are they intersecting sets or islands that rarely touch etc etc...alex_ said:
"Guardian analysis". It's always amusing when journalists do amateur statistics and think they've discovered something amazing that nobody else has considered.solarflare said:Back to covid (oh dear) but this seems to be up there with the Warwick modelling for nonsensical projections:
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/coronavirus/data-predicts-2m-uk-summer-covid-cases-with-10m-isolating/ar-AALQxT5?ocid=msedgntp
I wonder if they've considered the likelihood that once numbers start getting reasonably large, many of the close contacts of infected people will be... the same as the close contacts of other simultaneously infected people...
One would also have to say if Test & Trace were telling 10m people to isolate it's hard to imagine it still being in any way functional. And it would surely equate to the whole of the non-vaccinated population anyway, given the whole double vaxxed population would not have to isolate anyway just because someone else near them did, under the new regime.0 -
Extra Time 😎1
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Hooray! 30 more minutes of this.1
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real world US police behaviour meaning kneeling on people's necks?Malmesbury said:
Back to the statues.williamglenn said:
Everyone thought Columbo was an idiot. But it was all an act and he was just reeling them to collect the evidence.Fysics_Teacher said:
Everybody thought Columbus was an idiot. They were right.Nigelb said:Culture war tactics I almost approve of...
Movement grows to replace statues of Columbus with ones dedicated to a more respected figure—TV detective Lieutenant Columbo
https://www.theartnewspaper.com/news/movement-grows-to-replace-statues-of-columbus-with-ones-dedicated-to-a-more-respected-figure-tv-detective-lieutenant-columbo
...“Through a better understanding of history, Christopher Columbus no longer represents the values we wish to instill on future generations, yet monuments of this controversial figure are still in place throughout the country,” the organiser Ryan Toohey says. “We should replace the Columbus statue in Detroit with that of someone we can all admire; someone who always pursued truth and justice—Columbo. With only slight modifications to the plaque and the addition of a frumpy coat to the original statue, we can transform a symbol of hate into a beacon of hope.”...
He miscalculated the size of the Earth, getting a value about half the true value and so thought that India/China (he basically thought they were the same) and so thought that India was only a few thousand km west of Portugal.
That is why the native people of the Americas were called Indians for so long, and why we talk about the West Indies: Columbus died convinced that he had found India.
So the plan is to tear down statues of an Italian immigrant and replace it with statues of non-Italian rich white man who plays an Italian origin *policeman* as a *hero*? A hero who arrests women and minorities and does so without any real world US police behaviour?
Where this did come from - Donald Trump?0 -
Dunno how you guys can watch the football when Love Island is on.0
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Crossover!DecrepiterJohnL said:Spain favourites to qualify.
Italy 2.06
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The norm in this country is often to spend ages researching a story, discover there's no story, and then... run 'it' anyway.Malmesbury said:
At CNN, they called researching a story "too much" - as in researching a story to the point of discovering that there was no story - "F^&king a story"alex_ said:
"Guardian analysis". It's always amusing when journalists do amateur statistics and think they've discovered something amazing that nobody else has considered.solarflare said:Back to covid (oh dear) but this seems to be up there with the Warwick modelling for nonsensical projections:
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/coronavirus/data-predicts-2m-uk-summer-covid-cases-with-10m-isolating/ar-AALQxT5?ocid=msedgntp
I wonder if they've considered the likelihood that once numbers start getting reasonably large, many of the close contacts of infected people will be... the same as the close contacts of other simultaneously infected people...
As in "Why are you trying to F^&k my story?"
The other obvious counter is that if 10m WERE to be forced to isolate (and do it) then that sort of number would probably have a rather large impact on the supposed 2m getting infected. In that, probably a large chunk of the potential 2m would be part of the 10m and would then never get infected in the first place.0 -
Yet Another 120 mins for Spain.....lets hope they squeeze through. 360 mins in 3 games.0
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A lot of failed chances tonight, but both goals were quality.2
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They are claiming all this is going to happen before the 16th August!solarflare said:
No, they've just done the "assume the same number of cases every day linearly forever until the number gets silly" thing, and also assumed Test & Trace just always contact the same number of contacts per case, and then had the cheek to say that is "predicted by the data".FrancisUrquhart said:
I somehow doubt the Gruardian have fired up a Nvidia 3090 cluster to run their own Tensorflow / Pytorch / JAX model....Malmesbury said:
There must be some fascinating modelling/research in the way that, in different societies and groups (age?) people mix in groups and the interaction between these groups. Are they intersecting sets or islands that rarely touch etc etc...alex_ said:
"Guardian analysis". It's always amusing when journalists do amateur statistics and think they've discovered something amazing that nobody else has considered.solarflare said:Back to covid (oh dear) but this seems to be up there with the Warwick modelling for nonsensical projections:
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/coronavirus/data-predicts-2m-uk-summer-covid-cases-with-10m-isolating/ar-AALQxT5?ocid=msedgntp
I wonder if they've considered the likelihood that once numbers start getting reasonably large, many of the close contacts of infected people will be... the same as the close contacts of other simultaneously infected people...
One would also have to say if Test & Trace were telling 10m people to isolate it's hard to imagine it still being in any way functional*. And it would surely equate to the whole of the non-vaccinated population anyway, given the whole double vaxxed population would not have to isolate anyway just because someone else near them did, under the new regime.
*because they'd have no staff to man the phones?1 -
Spain look the more dangerous opponents.FrancisUrquhart said:Yet Another 120 mins for Spain.....lets hope they squeeze through. 360 mins in 3 games.
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Spain are a better match up for England, plus all that game time.Foxy said:
Spain look the more dangerous opponents.FrancisUrquhart said:Yet Another 120 mins for Spain.....lets hope they squeeze through. 360 mins in 3 games.
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Because I haven't had to watch Love Island, so I haven't had to use Tabasco as an eye drop in response.Gallowgate said:Dunno how you guys can watch the football when Love Island is on.
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Neil Henderson
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warned over threat to National debt from rate rises #TomorrowsPapersToday
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Good grief, you're right, I hadn't clocked thatalex_ said:
They are claiming all this is going to happen before the 16th August!solarflare said:
No, they've just done the "assume the same number of cases every day linearly forever until the number gets silly" thing, and also assumed Test & Trace just always contact the same number of contacts per case, and then had the cheek to say that is "predicted by the data".FrancisUrquhart said:
I somehow doubt the Gruardian have fired up a Nvidia 3090 cluster to run their own Tensorflow / Pytorch / JAX model....Malmesbury said:
There must be some fascinating modelling/research in the way that, in different societies and groups (age?) people mix in groups and the interaction between these groups. Are they intersecting sets or islands that rarely touch etc etc...alex_ said:
"Guardian analysis". It's always amusing when journalists do amateur statistics and think they've discovered something amazing that nobody else has considered.solarflare said:Back to covid (oh dear) but this seems to be up there with the Warwick modelling for nonsensical projections:
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/coronavirus/data-predicts-2m-uk-summer-covid-cases-with-10m-isolating/ar-AALQxT5?ocid=msedgntp
I wonder if they've considered the likelihood that once numbers start getting reasonably large, many of the close contacts of infected people will be... the same as the close contacts of other simultaneously infected people...
One would also have to say if Test & Trace were telling 10m people to isolate it's hard to imagine it still being in any way functional*. And it would surely equate to the whole of the non-vaccinated population anyway, given the whole double vaxxed population would not have to isolate anyway just because someone else near them did, under the new regime.
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Amateurs.solarflare said:
No, they've just done the "assume the same number of cases every day linearly forever until the number gets silly" thing, and also assumed Test & Trace just always contact the same number of contacts per case, and then had the cheek to say that is "predicted by the data".FrancisUrquhart said:
I somehow doubt the Gruardian have fired up a Nvidia 3090 cluster to run their own Tensorflow / Pytorch / JAX model....Malmesbury said:
There must be some fascinating modelling/research in the way that, in different societies and groups (age?) people mix in groups and the interaction between these groups. Are they intersecting sets or islands that rarely touch etc etc...alex_ said:
"Guardian analysis". It's always amusing when journalists do amateur statistics and think they've discovered something amazing that nobody else has considered.solarflare said:Back to covid (oh dear) but this seems to be up there with the Warwick modelling for nonsensical projections:
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/coronavirus/data-predicts-2m-uk-summer-covid-cases-with-10m-isolating/ar-AALQxT5?ocid=msedgntp
I wonder if they've considered the likelihood that once numbers start getting reasonably large, many of the close contacts of infected people will be... the same as the close contacts of other simultaneously infected people...
One would also have to say if Test & Trace were telling 10m people to isolate it's hard to imagine it still being in any way functional. And it would surely equate to the whole of the non-vaccinated population anyway, given the whole double vaxxed population would not have to isolate anyway just because someone else near them did, under the new regime.
I just chucked a 4th order polynomial trend line at the case data.
This time next year, we will be on 350 million cases per day in the UK.3 -
Do you seriously think the public is going to get concerned about debt and turn to Labour?rottenborough said:
Neil Henderson
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@RishiSunak
warned over threat to National debt from rate rises #TomorrowsPapersToday
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I was astonished to hear from one of economic Biden advisors saying debt / borrowing doesn't matter, we have solved inflation, can borrow really big and worry about it all in 15 years.rottenborough said:
Neil Henderson
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@RishiSunak
warned over threat to National debt from rate rises #TomorrowsPapersToday
Memo to Starmer: build up your economics team. Get them in the place where public are ready to listen when all this goes tits up with inflation and debt. Put Balls in HoL and get him as an economic spokesperson.
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Has any team ever created as many chances over the course of a Euros or world Cup as the Spanish have, they're tourney top scorers but they've failed to convert so many chances0
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And shooting people for wearing a loud shirt in a built up area..... We never see Columbo or any policeman on the show doing that.IshmaelZ said:
real world US police behaviour meaning kneeling on people's necks?Malmesbury said:
Back to the statues.williamglenn said:
Everyone thought Columbo was an idiot. But it was all an act and he was just reeling them to collect the evidence.Fysics_Teacher said:
Everybody thought Columbus was an idiot. They were right.Nigelb said:Culture war tactics I almost approve of...
Movement grows to replace statues of Columbus with ones dedicated to a more respected figure—TV detective Lieutenant Columbo
https://www.theartnewspaper.com/news/movement-grows-to-replace-statues-of-columbus-with-ones-dedicated-to-a-more-respected-figure-tv-detective-lieutenant-columbo
...“Through a better understanding of history, Christopher Columbus no longer represents the values we wish to instill on future generations, yet monuments of this controversial figure are still in place throughout the country,” the organiser Ryan Toohey says. “We should replace the Columbus statue in Detroit with that of someone we can all admire; someone who always pursued truth and justice—Columbo. With only slight modifications to the plaque and the addition of a frumpy coat to the original statue, we can transform a symbol of hate into a beacon of hope.”...
He miscalculated the size of the Earth, getting a value about half the true value and so thought that India/China (he basically thought they were the same) and so thought that India was only a few thousand km west of Portugal.
That is why the native people of the Americas were called Indians for so long, and why we talk about the West Indies: Columbus died convinced that he had found India.
So the plan is to tear down statues of an Italian immigrant and replace it with statues of non-Italian rich white man who plays an Italian origin *policeman* as a *hero*? A hero who arrests women and minorities and does so without any real world US police behaviour?
Where this did come from - Donald Trump?0 -
Columbo didn't carry a gun. It almost got him in trouble in one episode.Malmesbury said:
And shooting people for wearing a loud shirt in a built up area..... We never see Columbo or any policeman on the show doing that.IshmaelZ said:
real world US police behaviour meaning kneeling on people's necks?Malmesbury said:
Back to the statues.williamglenn said:
Everyone thought Columbo was an idiot. But it was all an act and he was just reeling them to collect the evidence.Fysics_Teacher said:
Everybody thought Columbus was an idiot. They were right.Nigelb said:Culture war tactics I almost approve of...
Movement grows to replace statues of Columbus with ones dedicated to a more respected figure—TV detective Lieutenant Columbo
https://www.theartnewspaper.com/news/movement-grows-to-replace-statues-of-columbus-with-ones-dedicated-to-a-more-respected-figure-tv-detective-lieutenant-columbo
...“Through a better understanding of history, Christopher Columbus no longer represents the values we wish to instill on future generations, yet monuments of this controversial figure are still in place throughout the country,” the organiser Ryan Toohey says. “We should replace the Columbus statue in Detroit with that of someone we can all admire; someone who always pursued truth and justice—Columbo. With only slight modifications to the plaque and the addition of a frumpy coat to the original statue, we can transform a symbol of hate into a beacon of hope.”...
He miscalculated the size of the Earth, getting a value about half the true value and so thought that India/China (he basically thought they were the same) and so thought that India was only a few thousand km west of Portugal.
That is why the native people of the Americas were called Indians for so long, and why we talk about the West Indies: Columbus died convinced that he had found India.
So the plan is to tear down statues of an Italian immigrant and replace it with statues of non-Italian rich white man who plays an Italian origin *policeman* as a *hero*? A hero who arrests women and minorities and does so without any real world US police behaviour?
Where this did come from - Donald Trump?0 -
Whatever floats your boat mate, I'm not going to judgePhilip_Thompson said:
Because I haven't had to watch Love Island, so I haven't had to use Tabasco as an eye drop in response.Gallowgate said:Dunno how you guys can watch the football when Love Island is on.
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I hear the same from some lefty friends. Just print money. If the Tories can, then we can print more.FrancisUrquhart said:
I was astonished to hear from of Biden advisors saying debt / borrowing doesn't matter, we have solved inflation, can borrow really big and worry about it all in 15 years.rottenborough said:
Neil Henderson
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Memo to Starmer: build up your economics team. Get them in the place where public are ready to listen when all this goes tits up with inflation and debt. Put Balls in HoL and get him as an economic spokesperson.
It really was akin to Brown abolished Boom and Bust stuff.
I did point out that QE redistributes wealth to those with real assets and away from the poor, but that only briefly stops them.0 -
Italy very lucky not to concede then.0
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If it appears to get too troublesome they won't care who they turn too. Won't be a concern for a while yet though.Philip_Thompson said:
Do you seriously think the public is going to get concerned about debt and turn to Labour?rottenborough said:
Neil Henderson
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@RishiSunak
warned over threat to National debt from rate rises #TomorrowsPapersToday
Memo to Starmer: build up your economics team. Get them in the place where public are ready to listen when all this goes tits up with inflation and debt. Put Balls in HoL and get him as an economic spokesperson.
Italy playing for penalties-1 -
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Spain seem the better team to be honest.0
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Contrast that to the real world - where an ex-special forces guy fresh out Afghanistan failed his probation as a cop for not being... militaristic enough in his police work....alex_ said:
Columbo didn't carry a gun. It almost got him in trouble in one episode.Malmesbury said:
And shooting people for wearing a loud shirt in a built up area..... We never see Columbo or any policeman on the show doing that.IshmaelZ said:
real world US police behaviour meaning kneeling on people's necks?Malmesbury said:
Back to the statues.williamglenn said:
Everyone thought Columbo was an idiot. But it was all an act and he was just reeling them to collect the evidence.Fysics_Teacher said:
Everybody thought Columbus was an idiot. They were right.Nigelb said:Culture war tactics I almost approve of...
Movement grows to replace statues of Columbus with ones dedicated to a more respected figure—TV detective Lieutenant Columbo
https://www.theartnewspaper.com/news/movement-grows-to-replace-statues-of-columbus-with-ones-dedicated-to-a-more-respected-figure-tv-detective-lieutenant-columbo
...“Through a better understanding of history, Christopher Columbus no longer represents the values we wish to instill on future generations, yet monuments of this controversial figure are still in place throughout the country,” the organiser Ryan Toohey says. “We should replace the Columbus statue in Detroit with that of someone we can all admire; someone who always pursued truth and justice—Columbo. With only slight modifications to the plaque and the addition of a frumpy coat to the original statue, we can transform a symbol of hate into a beacon of hope.”...
He miscalculated the size of the Earth, getting a value about half the true value and so thought that India/China (he basically thought they were the same) and so thought that India was only a few thousand km west of Portugal.
That is why the native people of the Americas were called Indians for so long, and why we talk about the West Indies: Columbus died convinced that he had found India.
So the plan is to tear down statues of an Italian immigrant and replace it with statues of non-Italian rich white man who plays an Italian origin *policeman* as a *hero*? A hero who arrests women and minorities and does so without any real world US police behaviour?
Where this did come from - Donald Trump?0 -
Fucking hells bells, this Ulsterman is showing he really is so dense light bends around him.
Amazing that every member of the Italian team sang its National Anthem whereas every single member of the Spanish team remained totally silent. Not one sang the Spanish Anthem!
https://twitter.com/KilclooneyJohn/status/14124865145131663380 -
LolTheScreamingEagles said:Fucking hells bells, this Ulsterman is showing he really is so dense light bends around him.
Amazing that every member of the Italian team sang its National Anthem whereas every single member of the Spanish team remained totally silent. Not one sang the Spanish Anthem!
https://twitter.com/KilclooneyJohn/status/14124865145131663380 -
Sad to see the Italians resort to trying to foul away the game time just to get to penalties.0
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Why are you astonished - remember, that was the Obama solution to 2008....FrancisUrquhart said:
I was astonished to hear from one of economic Biden advisors saying debt / borrowing doesn't matter, we have solved inflation, can borrow really big and worry about it all in 15 years.rottenborough said:
Neil Henderson
@hendopolis
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1m
TELEGRAPH BUSINESS:
@RishiSunak
warned over threat to National debt from rate rises #TomorrowsPapersToday
Memo to Starmer: build up your economics team. Get them in the place where public are ready to listen when all this goes tits up with inflation and debt. Put Balls in HoL and get him as an economic spokesperson.
It really was akin to Brown abolished Boom and Bust stuff.0 -
It couldn't have been totally unusual for a detective in California in the 1970s not to carry a gun, since otherwise viewers wouldn't have taken Columbo seriously so to speak.Malmesbury said:
Contrast that to the real world - where an ex-special forces guy fresh out Afghanistan failed his probation as a cop for not being... militaristic enough in his police work....alex_ said:
Columbo didn't carry a gun. It almost got him in trouble in one episode.Malmesbury said:
And shooting people for wearing a loud shirt in a built up area..... We never see Columbo or any policeman on the show doing that.IshmaelZ said:
real world US police behaviour meaning kneeling on people's necks?Malmesbury said:
Back to the statues.williamglenn said:
Everyone thought Columbo was an idiot. But it was all an act and he was just reeling them to collect the evidence.Fysics_Teacher said:
Everybody thought Columbus was an idiot. They were right.Nigelb said:Culture war tactics I almost approve of...
Movement grows to replace statues of Columbus with ones dedicated to a more respected figure—TV detective Lieutenant Columbo
https://www.theartnewspaper.com/news/movement-grows-to-replace-statues-of-columbus-with-ones-dedicated-to-a-more-respected-figure-tv-detective-lieutenant-columbo
...“Through a better understanding of history, Christopher Columbus no longer represents the values we wish to instill on future generations, yet monuments of this controversial figure are still in place throughout the country,” the organiser Ryan Toohey says. “We should replace the Columbus statue in Detroit with that of someone we can all admire; someone who always pursued truth and justice—Columbo. With only slight modifications to the plaque and the addition of a frumpy coat to the original statue, we can transform a symbol of hate into a beacon of hope.”...
He miscalculated the size of the Earth, getting a value about half the true value and so thought that India/China (he basically thought they were the same) and so thought that India was only a few thousand km west of Portugal.
That is why the native people of the Americas were called Indians for so long, and why we talk about the West Indies: Columbus died convinced that he had found India.
So the plan is to tear down statues of an Italian immigrant and replace it with statues of non-Italian rich white man who plays an Italian origin *policeman* as a *hero*? A hero who arrests women and minorities and does so without any real world US police behaviour?
Where this did come from - Donald Trump?0 -
Maybe they just didn't know the words ;-)TheScreamingEagles said:Fucking hells bells, this Ulsterman is showing he really is so dense light bends around him.
Amazing that every member of the Italian team sang its National Anthem whereas every single member of the Spanish team remained totally silent. Not one sang the Spanish Anthem!
https://twitter.com/KilclooneyJohn/status/1412486514513166338
Given how high profile Spain as a nation, how can you not know the fact about the Spanish national athem, given you must have seen this before?0 -
There was a time not *that* long ago when guns in America really weren't ubiquitous and central to almost everything that happens, whether within the criminal underworld or without. Was there any particular point that one can pinpoint that that changed?Andy_JS said:
It couldn't have been totally unusual for a detective in California in the 1970s not to carry a gun, since otherwise viewers wouldn't have taken Columbo seriously so to speak.Malmesbury said:
Contrast that to the real world - where an ex-special forces guy fresh out Afghanistan failed his probation as a cop for not being... militaristic enough in his police work....alex_ said:
Columbo didn't carry a gun. It almost got him in trouble in one episode.Malmesbury said:
And shooting people for wearing a loud shirt in a built up area..... We never see Columbo or any policeman on the show doing that.IshmaelZ said:
real world US police behaviour meaning kneeling on people's necks?Malmesbury said:
Back to the statues.williamglenn said:
Everyone thought Columbo was an idiot. But it was all an act and he was just reeling them to collect the evidence.Fysics_Teacher said:
Everybody thought Columbus was an idiot. They were right.Nigelb said:Culture war tactics I almost approve of...
Movement grows to replace statues of Columbus with ones dedicated to a more respected figure—TV detective Lieutenant Columbo
https://www.theartnewspaper.com/news/movement-grows-to-replace-statues-of-columbus-with-ones-dedicated-to-a-more-respected-figure-tv-detective-lieutenant-columbo
...“Through a better understanding of history, Christopher Columbus no longer represents the values we wish to instill on future generations, yet monuments of this controversial figure are still in place throughout the country,” the organiser Ryan Toohey says. “We should replace the Columbus statue in Detroit with that of someone we can all admire; someone who always pursued truth and justice—Columbo. With only slight modifications to the plaque and the addition of a frumpy coat to the original statue, we can transform a symbol of hate into a beacon of hope.”...
He miscalculated the size of the Earth, getting a value about half the true value and so thought that India/China (he basically thought they were the same) and so thought that India was only a few thousand km west of Portugal.
That is why the native people of the Americas were called Indians for so long, and why we talk about the West Indies: Columbus died convinced that he had found India.
So the plan is to tear down statues of an Italian immigrant and replace it with statues of non-Italian rich white man who plays an Italian origin *policeman* as a *hero*? A hero who arrests women and minorities and does so without any real world US police behaviour?
Where this did come from - Donald Trump?0 -
Shooting the bad guy is far too simple a plot device. Not carrying a gun makes for a better show.Andy_JS said:
It couldn't have been totally unusual for a detective in California in the 1970s not to carry a gun, since otherwise viewers wouldn't have taken Columbo seriously so to speak.Malmesbury said:
Contrast that to the real world - where an ex-special forces guy fresh out Afghanistan failed his probation as a cop for not being... militaristic enough in his police work....alex_ said:
Columbo didn't carry a gun. It almost got him in trouble in one episode.Malmesbury said:
And shooting people for wearing a loud shirt in a built up area..... We never see Columbo or any policeman on the show doing that.IshmaelZ said:
real world US police behaviour meaning kneeling on people's necks?Malmesbury said:
Back to the statues.williamglenn said:
Everyone thought Columbo was an idiot. But it was all an act and he was just reeling them to collect the evidence.Fysics_Teacher said:
Everybody thought Columbus was an idiot. They were right.Nigelb said:Culture war tactics I almost approve of...
Movement grows to replace statues of Columbus with ones dedicated to a more respected figure—TV detective Lieutenant Columbo
https://www.theartnewspaper.com/news/movement-grows-to-replace-statues-of-columbus-with-ones-dedicated-to-a-more-respected-figure-tv-detective-lieutenant-columbo
...“Through a better understanding of history, Christopher Columbus no longer represents the values we wish to instill on future generations, yet monuments of this controversial figure are still in place throughout the country,” the organiser Ryan Toohey says. “We should replace the Columbus statue in Detroit with that of someone we can all admire; someone who always pursued truth and justice—Columbo. With only slight modifications to the plaque and the addition of a frumpy coat to the original statue, we can transform a symbol of hate into a beacon of hope.”...
He miscalculated the size of the Earth, getting a value about half the true value and so thought that India/China (he basically thought they were the same) and so thought that India was only a few thousand km west of Portugal.
That is why the native people of the Americas were called Indians for so long, and why we talk about the West Indies: Columbus died convinced that he had found India.
So the plan is to tear down statues of an Italian immigrant and replace it with statues of non-Italian rich white man who plays an Italian origin *policeman* as a *hero*? A hero who arrests women and minorities and does so without any real world US police behaviour?
Where this did come from - Donald Trump?0 -
Or at least stop and think about it (look it up on wiki) before jumping it head first.FrancisUrquhart said:
Maybe they just didn't know the words ;-)TheScreamingEagles said:Fucking hells bells, this Ulsterman is showing he really is so dense light bends around him.
Amazing that every member of the Italian team sang its National Anthem whereas every single member of the Spanish team remained totally silent. Not one sang the Spanish Anthem!
https://twitter.com/KilclooneyJohn/status/1412486514513166338
Given how high profile Spain as a nation, how can you not know the fact about the Spanish national athem, given you must have seen this before?0 -
Too many tweets and all that.....alex_ said:
Or at least stop and think about it (look it up on wiki) before jumping it head first.FrancisUrquhart said:
Maybe they just didn't know the words ;-)TheScreamingEagles said:Fucking hells bells, this Ulsterman is showing he really is so dense light bends around him.
Amazing that every member of the Italian team sang its National Anthem whereas every single member of the Spanish team remained totally silent. Not one sang the Spanish Anthem!
https://twitter.com/KilclooneyJohn/status/1412486514513166338
Given how high profile Spain as a nation, how can you not know the fact about the Spanish national athem, given you must have seen this before?0 -
He's as dumb as Scottish football fans.FrancisUrquhart said:
Maybe they just didn't know the words ;-)TheScreamingEagles said:Fucking hells bells, this Ulsterman is showing he really is so dense light bends around him.
Amazing that every member of the Italian team sang its National Anthem whereas every single member of the Spanish team remained totally silent. Not one sang the Spanish Anthem!
https://twitter.com/KilclooneyJohn/status/1412486514513166338
Given how high profile Spain as a nation, how can you not know the fact about the Spanish national athem, given you must have seen this before?
The Scottish Football Association has hit out at the "disgraceful" booing of the Liechtenstein national anthem.
A section of Scotland fans jeered the anthem - which has the same tune as God Save The Queen - before their side's 2-1 victory in the Euro 2012 qualifier.
SFA acting chief executive George Peat said he was "embarrassed" by the booing at Hampden on Tuesday.
"I apologise unreservedly to our visitors for the crass reaction to their anthem," said Peat.
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On the subject of Afghanistan, it really does look like the last couple of months of South Vietnam.Malmesbury said:
Contrast that to the real world - where an ex-special forces guy fresh out Afghanistan failed his probation as a cop for not being... militaristic enough in his police work....alex_ said:
Columbo didn't carry a gun. It almost got him in trouble in one episode.Malmesbury said:
And shooting people for wearing a loud shirt in a built up area..... We never see Columbo or any policeman on the show doing that.IshmaelZ said:
real world US police behaviour meaning kneeling on people's necks?Malmesbury said:
Back to the statues.williamglenn said:
Everyone thought Columbo was an idiot. But it was all an act and he was just reeling them to collect the evidence.Fysics_Teacher said:
Everybody thought Columbus was an idiot. They were right.Nigelb said:Culture war tactics I almost approve of...
Movement grows to replace statues of Columbus with ones dedicated to a more respected figure—TV detective Lieutenant Columbo
https://www.theartnewspaper.com/news/movement-grows-to-replace-statues-of-columbus-with-ones-dedicated-to-a-more-respected-figure-tv-detective-lieutenant-columbo
...“Through a better understanding of history, Christopher Columbus no longer represents the values we wish to instill on future generations, yet monuments of this controversial figure are still in place throughout the country,” the organiser Ryan Toohey says. “We should replace the Columbus statue in Detroit with that of someone we can all admire; someone who always pursued truth and justice—Columbo. With only slight modifications to the plaque and the addition of a frumpy coat to the original statue, we can transform a symbol of hate into a beacon of hope.”...
He miscalculated the size of the Earth, getting a value about half the true value and so thought that India/China (he basically thought they were the same) and so thought that India was only a few thousand km west of Portugal.
That is why the native people of the Americas were called Indians for so long, and why we talk about the West Indies: Columbus died convinced that he had found India.
So the plan is to tear down statues of an Italian immigrant and replace it with statues of non-Italian rich white man who plays an Italian origin *policeman* as a *hero*? A hero who arrests women and minorities and does so without any real world US police behaviour?
Where this did come from - Donald Trump?
The world isn't very interested.0 -
Few weeks ago we saw UK as an outlier re cases.
Now delta has taken hold in Europe, the growth looks similar if not steeper than UK has experienced.
I’m sure this will be shared widely by those sharing the previous one too.
https://twitter.com/ThatRyanChap/status/1412517834706591745?s=20
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Are you asking about television? Otherwise, Al Capone says hello. Before then the Wild West.alex_ said:
There was a time not *that* long ago when guns in America really weren't ubiquitous and central to almost everything that happens, whether within the criminal underworld or without. Was there any particular point that one can pinpoint that that changed?Andy_JS said:
It couldn't have been totally unusual for a detective in California in the 1970s not to carry a gun, since otherwise viewers wouldn't have taken Columbo seriously so to speak.Malmesbury said:
Contrast that to the real world - where an ex-special forces guy fresh out Afghanistan failed his probation as a cop for not being... militaristic enough in his police work....alex_ said:
Columbo didn't carry a gun. It almost got him in trouble in one episode.Malmesbury said:
And shooting people for wearing a loud shirt in a built up area..... We never see Columbo or any policeman on the show doing that.IshmaelZ said:
real world US police behaviour meaning kneeling on people's necks?Malmesbury said:
Back to the statues.williamglenn said:
Everyone thought Columbo was an idiot. But it was all an act and he was just reeling them to collect the evidence.Fysics_Teacher said:
Everybody thought Columbus was an idiot. They were right.Nigelb said:Culture war tactics I almost approve of...
Movement grows to replace statues of Columbus with ones dedicated to a more respected figure—TV detective Lieutenant Columbo
https://www.theartnewspaper.com/news/movement-grows-to-replace-statues-of-columbus-with-ones-dedicated-to-a-more-respected-figure-tv-detective-lieutenant-columbo
...“Through a better understanding of history, Christopher Columbus no longer represents the values we wish to instill on future generations, yet monuments of this controversial figure are still in place throughout the country,” the organiser Ryan Toohey says. “We should replace the Columbus statue in Detroit with that of someone we can all admire; someone who always pursued truth and justice—Columbo. With only slight modifications to the plaque and the addition of a frumpy coat to the original statue, we can transform a symbol of hate into a beacon of hope.”...
He miscalculated the size of the Earth, getting a value about half the true value and so thought that India/China (he basically thought they were the same) and so thought that India was only a few thousand km west of Portugal.
That is why the native people of the Americas were called Indians for so long, and why we talk about the West Indies: Columbus died convinced that he had found India.
So the plan is to tear down statues of an Italian immigrant and replace it with statues of non-Italian rich white man who plays an Italian origin *policeman* as a *hero*? A hero who arrests women and minorities and does so without any real world US police behaviour?
Where this did come from - Donald Trump?0 -
Coincidentally, I watched the last episode of the Ken Burns documentary only 2 nights ago.Foxy said:
On the subject of Afghanistan, it really does look like the last couple of months of South Vietnam.Malmesbury said:
Contrast that to the real world - where an ex-special forces guy fresh out Afghanistan failed his probation as a cop for not being... militaristic enough in his police work....alex_ said:
Columbo didn't carry a gun. It almost got him in trouble in one episode.Malmesbury said:
And shooting people for wearing a loud shirt in a built up area..... We never see Columbo or any policeman on the show doing that.IshmaelZ said:
real world US police behaviour meaning kneeling on people's necks?Malmesbury said:
Back to the statues.williamglenn said:
Everyone thought Columbo was an idiot. But it was all an act and he was just reeling them to collect the evidence.Fysics_Teacher said:
Everybody thought Columbus was an idiot. They were right.Nigelb said:Culture war tactics I almost approve of...
Movement grows to replace statues of Columbus with ones dedicated to a more respected figure—TV detective Lieutenant Columbo
https://www.theartnewspaper.com/news/movement-grows-to-replace-statues-of-columbus-with-ones-dedicated-to-a-more-respected-figure-tv-detective-lieutenant-columbo
...“Through a better understanding of history, Christopher Columbus no longer represents the values we wish to instill on future generations, yet monuments of this controversial figure are still in place throughout the country,” the organiser Ryan Toohey says. “We should replace the Columbus statue in Detroit with that of someone we can all admire; someone who always pursued truth and justice—Columbo. With only slight modifications to the plaque and the addition of a frumpy coat to the original statue, we can transform a symbol of hate into a beacon of hope.”...
He miscalculated the size of the Earth, getting a value about half the true value and so thought that India/China (he basically thought they were the same) and so thought that India was only a few thousand km west of Portugal.
That is why the native people of the Americas were called Indians for so long, and why we talk about the West Indies: Columbus died convinced that he had found India.
So the plan is to tear down statues of an Italian immigrant and replace it with statues of non-Italian rich white man who plays an Italian origin *policeman* as a *hero*? A hero who arrests women and minorities and does so without any real world US police behaviour?
Where this did come from - Donald Trump?
The world isn't very interested.
The US made a much better fist of scarpering this time.0 -
Yup.Mexicanpete said:
If it appears to get too troublesome they won't care who they turn too. Won't be a concern for a while yet though.Philip_Thompson said:
Do you seriously think the public is going to get concerned about debt and turn to Labour?rottenborough said:
Neil Henderson
@hendopolis
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1m
TELEGRAPH BUSINESS:
@RishiSunak
warned over threat to National debt from rate rises #TomorrowsPapersToday
Memo to Starmer: build up your economics team. Get them in the place where public are ready to listen when all this goes tits up with inflation and debt. Put Balls in HoL and get him as an economic spokesperson.
Italy playing for penalties0 -
GOP 2024 presidential primary poll
DeSantis 21%
Pence 14%
Trump Jr 7%
Haley 6%
Cruz 6%
Romney 4%
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There were only a couple of hundred troops in Saigon at the end, much the same in Kabul. It is the locals who won't get out.dixiedean said:
Coincidentally, I watched the last episode of the Ken Burns documentary only 2 nights ago.Foxy said:
On the subject of Afghanistan, it really does look like the last couple of months of South Vietnam.Malmesbury said:
Contrast that to the real world - where an ex-special forces guy fresh out Afghanistan failed his probation as a cop for not being... militaristic enough in his police work....alex_ said:
Columbo didn't carry a gun. It almost got him in trouble in one episode.Malmesbury said:
And shooting people for wearing a loud shirt in a built up area..... We never see Columbo or any policeman on the show doing that.IshmaelZ said:
real world US police behaviour meaning kneeling on people's necks?Malmesbury said:
Back to the statues.williamglenn said:
Everyone thought Columbo was an idiot. But it was all an act and he was just reeling them to collect the evidence.Fysics_Teacher said:
Everybody thought Columbus was an idiot. They were right.Nigelb said:Culture war tactics I almost approve of...
Movement grows to replace statues of Columbus with ones dedicated to a more respected figure—TV detective Lieutenant Columbo
https://www.theartnewspaper.com/news/movement-grows-to-replace-statues-of-columbus-with-ones-dedicated-to-a-more-respected-figure-tv-detective-lieutenant-columbo
...“Through a better understanding of history, Christopher Columbus no longer represents the values we wish to instill on future generations, yet monuments of this controversial figure are still in place throughout the country,” the organiser Ryan Toohey says. “We should replace the Columbus statue in Detroit with that of someone we can all admire; someone who always pursued truth and justice—Columbo. With only slight modifications to the plaque and the addition of a frumpy coat to the original statue, we can transform a symbol of hate into a beacon of hope.”...
He miscalculated the size of the Earth, getting a value about half the true value and so thought that India/China (he basically thought they were the same) and so thought that India was only a few thousand km west of Portugal.
That is why the native people of the Americas were called Indians for so long, and why we talk about the West Indies: Columbus died convinced that he had found India.
So the plan is to tear down statues of an Italian immigrant and replace it with statues of non-Italian rich white man who plays an Italian origin *policeman* as a *hero*? A hero who arrests women and minorities and does so without any real world US police behaviour?
Where this did come from - Donald Trump?
The world isn't very interested.
The US made a much better fist of scarpering this time.0 -
2022 midterms congressional poll
GOP 47%
Democrats 46%
https://twitter.com/PollTrackerUSA/status/1412424837189058571?s=200 -
Yes, and maybe i'm wrong, but i think that the prevailing trend for many years was actually towards gun control. Of course now it's further away than ever, and actually the more realistic outcome is that mass ownership of guns might actually trigger some sort of civil war.DecrepiterJohnL said:
Are you asking about television? Otherwise, Al Capone says hello. Before then the Wild West.alex_ said:
There was a time not *that* long ago when guns in America really weren't ubiquitous and central to almost everything that happens, whether within the criminal underworld or without. Was there any particular point that one can pinpoint that that changed?Andy_JS said:
It couldn't have been totally unusual for a detective in California in the 1970s not to carry a gun, since otherwise viewers wouldn't have taken Columbo seriously so to speak.Malmesbury said:
Contrast that to the real world - where an ex-special forces guy fresh out Afghanistan failed his probation as a cop for not being... militaristic enough in his police work....alex_ said:
Columbo didn't carry a gun. It almost got him in trouble in one episode.Malmesbury said:
And shooting people for wearing a loud shirt in a built up area..... We never see Columbo or any policeman on the show doing that.IshmaelZ said:
real world US police behaviour meaning kneeling on people's necks?Malmesbury said:
Back to the statues.williamglenn said:
Everyone thought Columbo was an idiot. But it was all an act and he was just reeling them to collect the evidence.Fysics_Teacher said:
Everybody thought Columbus was an idiot. They were right.Nigelb said:Culture war tactics I almost approve of...
Movement grows to replace statues of Columbus with ones dedicated to a more respected figure—TV detective Lieutenant Columbo
https://www.theartnewspaper.com/news/movement-grows-to-replace-statues-of-columbus-with-ones-dedicated-to-a-more-respected-figure-tv-detective-lieutenant-columbo
...“Through a better understanding of history, Christopher Columbus no longer represents the values we wish to instill on future generations, yet monuments of this controversial figure are still in place throughout the country,” the organiser Ryan Toohey says. “We should replace the Columbus statue in Detroit with that of someone we can all admire; someone who always pursued truth and justice—Columbo. With only slight modifications to the plaque and the addition of a frumpy coat to the original statue, we can transform a symbol of hate into a beacon of hope.”...
He miscalculated the size of the Earth, getting a value about half the true value and so thought that India/China (he basically thought they were the same) and so thought that India was only a few thousand km west of Portugal.
That is why the native people of the Americas were called Indians for so long, and why we talk about the West Indies: Columbus died convinced that he had found India.
So the plan is to tear down statues of an Italian immigrant and replace it with statues of non-Italian rich white man who plays an Italian origin *policeman* as a *hero*? A hero who arrests women and minorities and does so without any real world US police behaviour?
Where this did come from - Donald Trump?0 -
Still not clear who Denmark will face..0
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Although the Americans left Vietnam when on the verge of defeat. Whereas in Afghanistan it's more i think that they've just decided they can't win. That's not to say that their departure won't have seriously bad consequences.Foxy said:
There were only a couple of hundred troops in Saigon at the end, much the same in Kabul. It is the locals who won't get out.dixiedean said:
Coincidentally, I watched the last episode of the Ken Burns documentary only 2 nights ago.Foxy said:
On the subject of Afghanistan, it really does look like the last couple of months of South Vietnam.Malmesbury said:
Contrast that to the real world - where an ex-special forces guy fresh out Afghanistan failed his probation as a cop for not being... militaristic enough in his police work....alex_ said:
Columbo didn't carry a gun. It almost got him in trouble in one episode.Malmesbury said:
And shooting people for wearing a loud shirt in a built up area..... We never see Columbo or any policeman on the show doing that.IshmaelZ said:
real world US police behaviour meaning kneeling on people's necks?Malmesbury said:
Back to the statues.williamglenn said:
Everyone thought Columbo was an idiot. But it was all an act and he was just reeling them to collect the evidence.Fysics_Teacher said:
Everybody thought Columbus was an idiot. They were right.Nigelb said:Culture war tactics I almost approve of...
Movement grows to replace statues of Columbus with ones dedicated to a more respected figure—TV detective Lieutenant Columbo
https://www.theartnewspaper.com/news/movement-grows-to-replace-statues-of-columbus-with-ones-dedicated-to-a-more-respected-figure-tv-detective-lieutenant-columbo
...“Through a better understanding of history, Christopher Columbus no longer represents the values we wish to instill on future generations, yet monuments of this controversial figure are still in place throughout the country,” the organiser Ryan Toohey says. “We should replace the Columbus statue in Detroit with that of someone we can all admire; someone who always pursued truth and justice—Columbo. With only slight modifications to the plaque and the addition of a frumpy coat to the original statue, we can transform a symbol of hate into a beacon of hope.”...
He miscalculated the size of the Earth, getting a value about half the true value and so thought that India/China (he basically thought they were the same) and so thought that India was only a few thousand km west of Portugal.
That is why the native people of the Americas were called Indians for so long, and why we talk about the West Indies: Columbus died convinced that he had found India.
So the plan is to tear down statues of an Italian immigrant and replace it with statues of non-Italian rich white man who plays an Italian origin *policeman* as a *hero*? A hero who arrests women and minorities and does so without any real world US police behaviour?
Where this did come from - Donald Trump?
The world isn't very interested.
The US made a much better fist of scarpering this time.1 -
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If it is then that would be disastrous for the Democrats, President Ford of course lost his re election attempt in 1976 after the final Vietnam withdrawal in 1975 and the fall of Saigon.Foxy said:
On the subject of Afghanistan, it really does look like the last couple of months of South Vietnam.Malmesbury said:
Contrast that to the real world - where an ex-special forces guy fresh out Afghanistan failed his probation as a cop for not being... militaristic enough in his police work....alex_ said:
Columbo didn't carry a gun. It almost got him in trouble in one episode.Malmesbury said:
And shooting people for wearing a loud shirt in a built up area..... We never see Columbo or any policeman on the show doing that.IshmaelZ said:
real world US police behaviour meaning kneeling on people's necks?Malmesbury said:
Back to the statues.williamglenn said:
Everyone thought Columbo was an idiot. But it was all an act and he was just reeling them to collect the evidence.Fysics_Teacher said:
Everybody thought Columbus was an idiot. They were right.Nigelb said:Culture war tactics I almost approve of...
Movement grows to replace statues of Columbus with ones dedicated to a more respected figure—TV detective Lieutenant Columbo
https://www.theartnewspaper.com/news/movement-grows-to-replace-statues-of-columbus-with-ones-dedicated-to-a-more-respected-figure-tv-detective-lieutenant-columbo
...“Through a better understanding of history, Christopher Columbus no longer represents the values we wish to instill on future generations, yet monuments of this controversial figure are still in place throughout the country,” the organiser Ryan Toohey says. “We should replace the Columbus statue in Detroit with that of someone we can all admire; someone who always pursued truth and justice—Columbo. With only slight modifications to the plaque and the addition of a frumpy coat to the original statue, we can transform a symbol of hate into a beacon of hope.”...
He miscalculated the size of the Earth, getting a value about half the true value and so thought that India/China (he basically thought they were the same) and so thought that India was only a few thousand km west of Portugal.
That is why the native people of the Americas were called Indians for so long, and why we talk about the West Indies: Columbus died convinced that he had found India.
So the plan is to tear down statues of an Italian immigrant and replace it with statues of non-Italian rich white man who plays an Italian origin *policeman* as a *hero*? A hero who arrests women and minorities and does so without any real world US police behaviour?
Where this did come from - Donald Trump?
The world isn't very interested.
However I think the Afghan government and military should hold Kabul at least even if much of the rest of the country falls to the Taliban. Of course the original aim of the 2001 invasion was not to remove the Taliban, who had been in power for 5 years prior but to remove Al Qaeda from the country and kill Bin Laden, both of which aims were achieved.
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Statistics must be available on guns held, gun homicides (and suicides) and so on.alex_ said:
Yes, and maybe i'm wrong, but i think that the prevailing trend for many years was actually towards gun control. Of course now it's further away than ever, and actually the more realistic outcome is that mass ownership of guns might actually trigger some sort of civil war.DecrepiterJohnL said:
Are you asking about television? Otherwise, Al Capone says hello. Before then the Wild West.alex_ said:
There was a time not *that* long ago when guns in America really weren't ubiquitous and central to almost everything that happens, whether within the criminal underworld or without. Was there any particular point that one can pinpoint that that changed?Andy_JS said:
It couldn't have been totally unusual for a detective in California in the 1970s not to carry a gun, since otherwise viewers wouldn't have taken Columbo seriously so to speak.Malmesbury said:
Contrast that to the real world - where an ex-special forces guy fresh out Afghanistan failed his probation as a cop for not being... militaristic enough in his police work....alex_ said:
Columbo didn't carry a gun. It almost got him in trouble in one episode.Malmesbury said:
And shooting people for wearing a loud shirt in a built up area..... We never see Columbo or any policeman on the show doing that.IshmaelZ said:
real world US police behaviour meaning kneeling on people's necks?Malmesbury said:
Back to the statues.williamglenn said:
Everyone thought Columbo was an idiot. But it was all an act and he was just reeling them to collect the evidence.Fysics_Teacher said:
Everybody thought Columbus was an idiot. They were right.Nigelb said:Culture war tactics I almost approve of...
Movement grows to replace statues of Columbus with ones dedicated to a more respected figure—TV detective Lieutenant Columbo
https://www.theartnewspaper.com/news/movement-grows-to-replace-statues-of-columbus-with-ones-dedicated-to-a-more-respected-figure-tv-detective-lieutenant-columbo
...“Through a better understanding of history, Christopher Columbus no longer represents the values we wish to instill on future generations, yet monuments of this controversial figure are still in place throughout the country,” the organiser Ryan Toohey says. “We should replace the Columbus statue in Detroit with that of someone we can all admire; someone who always pursued truth and justice—Columbo. With only slight modifications to the plaque and the addition of a frumpy coat to the original statue, we can transform a symbol of hate into a beacon of hope.”...
He miscalculated the size of the Earth, getting a value about half the true value and so thought that India/China (he basically thought they were the same) and so thought that India was only a few thousand km west of Portugal.
That is why the native people of the Americas were called Indians for so long, and why we talk about the West Indies: Columbus died convinced that he had found India.
So the plan is to tear down statues of an Italian immigrant and replace it with statues of non-Italian rich white man who plays an Italian origin *policeman* as a *hero*? A hero who arrests women and minorities and does so without any real world US police behaviour?
Where this did come from - Donald Trump?
You'd be worried about automatic weapons but even there, tommy guns were common after the First World War, if not before.0 -
England tomorrow. Pay attention!Fenman said:Still not clear who Denmark will face..
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Is there a third place game?Fenman said:Still not clear who Denmark will face..
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Rather like the US in Afghanistan, that sort of petered out.0
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Have they made any progress on persuading France to let us in yet?HYUFD said:Double vaccinated Brits will be able to fly to amber list nations without quarantining on return from July 19th
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Britain and America have been interested in Afghanistan for 20 years and all that happened was that our soldiers got killed and injured. We couldn't continue with that.Foxy said:
On the subject of Afghanistan, it really does look like the last couple of months of South Vietnam.Malmesbury said:
Contrast that to the real world - where an ex-special forces guy fresh out Afghanistan failed his probation as a cop for not being... militaristic enough in his police work....alex_ said:
Columbo didn't carry a gun. It almost got him in trouble in one episode.Malmesbury said:
And shooting people for wearing a loud shirt in a built up area..... We never see Columbo or any policeman on the show doing that.IshmaelZ said:
real world US police behaviour meaning kneeling on people's necks?Malmesbury said:
Back to the statues.williamglenn said:
Everyone thought Columbo was an idiot. But it was all an act and he was just reeling them to collect the evidence.Fysics_Teacher said:
Everybody thought Columbus was an idiot. They were right.Nigelb said:Culture war tactics I almost approve of...
Movement grows to replace statues of Columbus with ones dedicated to a more respected figure—TV detective Lieutenant Columbo
https://www.theartnewspaper.com/news/movement-grows-to-replace-statues-of-columbus-with-ones-dedicated-to-a-more-respected-figure-tv-detective-lieutenant-columbo
...“Through a better understanding of history, Christopher Columbus no longer represents the values we wish to instill on future generations, yet monuments of this controversial figure are still in place throughout the country,” the organiser Ryan Toohey says. “We should replace the Columbus statue in Detroit with that of someone we can all admire; someone who always pursued truth and justice—Columbo. With only slight modifications to the plaque and the addition of a frumpy coat to the original statue, we can transform a symbol of hate into a beacon of hope.”...
He miscalculated the size of the Earth, getting a value about half the true value and so thought that India/China (he basically thought they were the same) and so thought that India was only a few thousand km west of Portugal.
That is why the native people of the Americas were called Indians for so long, and why we talk about the West Indies: Columbus died convinced that he had found India.
So the plan is to tear down statues of an Italian immigrant and replace it with statues of non-Italian rich white man who plays an Italian origin *policeman* as a *hero*? A hero who arrests women and minorities and does so without any real world US police behaviour?
Where this did come from - Donald Trump?
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I don't think so. It is Trump that set the withdrawal timetable, Biden just stuck to it. The Taliban will have Kabul by Christmas, likely sooner.HYUFD said:
If it is then that would be disastrous for the Democrats, Ford of course lost his re election attempt in 1976 after the Vietnam withdrawal.Foxy said:
On the subject of Afghanistan, it really does look like the last couple of months of South Vietnam.Malmesbury said:
Contrast that to the real world - where an ex-special forces guy fresh out Afghanistan failed his probation as a cop for not being... militaristic enough in his police work....alex_ said:
Columbo didn't carry a gun. It almost got him in trouble in one episode.Malmesbury said:
And shooting people for wearing a loud shirt in a built up area..... We never see Columbo or any policeman on the show doing that.IshmaelZ said:
real world US police behaviour meaning kneeling on people's necks?Malmesbury said:
Back to the statues.williamglenn said:
Everyone thought Columbo was an idiot. But it was all an act and he was just reeling them to collect the evidence.Fysics_Teacher said:
Everybody thought Columbus was an idiot. They were right.Nigelb said:Culture war tactics I almost approve of...
Movement grows to replace statues of Columbus with ones dedicated to a more respected figure—TV detective Lieutenant Columbo
https://www.theartnewspaper.com/news/movement-grows-to-replace-statues-of-columbus-with-ones-dedicated-to-a-more-respected-figure-tv-detective-lieutenant-columbo
...“Through a better understanding of history, Christopher Columbus no longer represents the values we wish to instill on future generations, yet monuments of this controversial figure are still in place throughout the country,” the organiser Ryan Toohey says. “We should replace the Columbus statue in Detroit with that of someone we can all admire; someone who always pursued truth and justice—Columbo. With only slight modifications to the plaque and the addition of a frumpy coat to the original statue, we can transform a symbol of hate into a beacon of hope.”...
He miscalculated the size of the Earth, getting a value about half the true value and so thought that India/China (he basically thought they were the same) and so thought that India was only a few thousand km west of Portugal.
That is why the native people of the Americas were called Indians for so long, and why we talk about the West Indies: Columbus died convinced that he had found India.
So the plan is to tear down statues of an Italian immigrant and replace it with statues of non-Italian rich white man who plays an Italian origin *policeman* as a *hero*? A hero who arrests women and minorities and does so without any real world US police behaviour?
Where this did come from - Donald Trump?
The world isn't very interested.
However I think the Afghan government and military should hold Kabul at least even if much of the rest of the country falls to the Taliban. Of course the original aim of the 2001 invasion was not to remove the Taliban, who had been in power for 5 years prior but to remove Al Qaeda from the country and kill Bin Laden, both of which aims were achieved.
Longer term a deal will likely have to be done to give the Taliban some role in the government of the country in return for committing to help keep Al Qaeda and ISIS out1 -
To qualify (via penalties):-
Italy 1.93
Spain 2.06
Not really clear what that is based on.0 -
Its a good job half of Europe won't be heading to the likes of Spain, Portugal and Greece for their summer holidays....CarlottaVance said:Few weeks ago we saw UK as an outlier re cases.
Now delta has taken hold in Europe, the growth looks similar if not steeper than UK has experienced.
I’m sure this will be shared widely by those sharing the previous one too.
https://twitter.com/ThatRyanChap/status/1412517834706591745?s=200 -
Good sportsmanship between the captains and keepers over the penalties. Real respect for each other.0
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Bread roll capital of the world.FrancisUrquhart said:
Its a good job half of Europe won't be heading to the likes of Spain, Portugal and Greece for their summer holidays....CarlottaVance said:Few weeks ago we saw UK as an outlier re cases.
Now delta has taken hold in Europe, the growth looks similar if not steeper than UK has experienced.
I’m sure this will be shared widely by those sharing the previous one too.
https://twitter.com/ThatRyanChap/status/1412517834706591745?s=200 -
Spain had a really bad penalty record prior to the Swiss match, I think they had missed six in a row.DecrepiterJohnL said:To qualify (via penalties):-
Italy 1.93
Spain 2.06
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Then expect Biden and Harris to be defeated in 2024, Americans do not like losers and military defeats, whether fair or not.Foxy said:
I don't think so. It is Trump that set the withdrawal timetable, Biden just stuck to it. The Taliban will have Kabul by Christmas, likely sooner.HYUFD said:
If it is then that would be disastrous for the Democrats, Ford of course lost his re election attempt in 1976 after the Vietnam withdrawal.Foxy said:
On the subject of Afghanistan, it really does look like the last couple of months of South Vietnam.Malmesbury said:
Contrast that to the real world - where an ex-special forces guy fresh out Afghanistan failed his probation as a cop for not being... militaristic enough in his police work....alex_ said:
Columbo didn't carry a gun. It almost got him in trouble in one episode.Malmesbury said:
And shooting people for wearing a loud shirt in a built up area..... We never see Columbo or any policeman on the show doing that.IshmaelZ said:
real world US police behaviour meaning kneeling on people's necks?Malmesbury said:
Back to the statues.williamglenn said:
Everyone thought Columbo was an idiot. But it was all an act and he was just reeling them to collect the evidence.Fysics_Teacher said:
Everybody thought Columbus was an idiot. They were right.Nigelb said:Culture war tactics I almost approve of...
Movement grows to replace statues of Columbus with ones dedicated to a more respected figure—TV detective Lieutenant Columbo
https://www.theartnewspaper.com/news/movement-grows-to-replace-statues-of-columbus-with-ones-dedicated-to-a-more-respected-figure-tv-detective-lieutenant-columbo
...“Through a better understanding of history, Christopher Columbus no longer represents the values we wish to instill on future generations, yet monuments of this controversial figure are still in place throughout the country,” the organiser Ryan Toohey says. “We should replace the Columbus statue in Detroit with that of someone we can all admire; someone who always pursued truth and justice—Columbo. With only slight modifications to the plaque and the addition of a frumpy coat to the original statue, we can transform a symbol of hate into a beacon of hope.”...
He miscalculated the size of the Earth, getting a value about half the true value and so thought that India/China (he basically thought they were the same) and so thought that India was only a few thousand km west of Portugal.
That is why the native people of the Americas were called Indians for so long, and why we talk about the West Indies: Columbus died convinced that he had found India.
So the plan is to tear down statues of an Italian immigrant and replace it with statues of non-Italian rich white man who plays an Italian origin *policeman* as a *hero*? A hero who arrests women and minorities and does so without any real world US police behaviour?
Where this did come from - Donald Trump?
The world isn't very interested.
However I think the Afghan government and military should hold Kabul at least even if much of the rest of the country falls to the Taliban. Of course the original aim of the 2001 invasion was not to remove the Taliban, who had been in power for 5 years prior but to remove Al Qaeda from the country and kill Bin Laden, both of which aims were achieved.
Longer term a deal will likely have to be done to give the Taliban some role in the government of the country in return for committing to help keep Al Qaeda and ISIS out
One poll today already has Trump 49% Harris 45%, though another has Harris ahead
https://twitter.com/PollTrackerUSA/status/1412424451933847561?s=20
https://twitter.com/PollTrackerUSA/status/1412423949116481545?s=20
Plus if Kabul fell to the Taliban and they protected Al Qaeda again then we would have no choice but to invade again anyway
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Italy’s shoot-out record in major competition is four wins, seven losses. Spain have won six, and lost four. One of those Spanish wins was the scrappy affair against the Swiss in the last round, a fact that may buoy Italy, because no team has ever won two shoot-outs at a Euros final.0
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Spain miss a lot of penalties.DecrepiterJohnL said:To qualify (via penalties):-
Italy 1.93
Spain 2.06
Not really clear what that is based on.
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Now all we need to do is get rid of those idiotic, rip-off tests.HYUFD said:Double vaccinated Brits will be able to fly to amber list nations without quarantining on return from July 19th
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All the hugging going on in the footy, hopefully nobody gets pinged for COVID....1
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This is actually an astonishing chart!DecrepiterJohnL said:
Statistics must be available on guns held, gun homicides (and suicides) and so on.alex_ said:
Yes, and maybe i'm wrong, but i think that the prevailing trend for many years was actually towards gun control. Of course now it's further away than ever, and actually the more realistic outcome is that mass ownership of guns might actually trigger some sort of civil war.DecrepiterJohnL said:
Are you asking about television? Otherwise, Al Capone says hello. Before then the Wild West.alex_ said:
There was a time not *that* long ago when guns in America really weren't ubiquitous and central to almost everything that happens, whether within the criminal underworld or without. Was there any particular point that one can pinpoint that that changed?Andy_JS said:
It couldn't have been totally unusual for a detective in California in the 1970s not to carry a gun, since otherwise viewers wouldn't have taken Columbo seriously so to speak.Malmesbury said:
Contrast that to the real world - where an ex-special forces guy fresh out Afghanistan failed his probation as a cop for not being... militaristic enough in his police work....alex_ said:
Columbo didn't carry a gun. It almost got him in trouble in one episode.Malmesbury said:
And shooting people for wearing a loud shirt in a built up area..... We never see Columbo or any policeman on the show doing that.IshmaelZ said:
real world US police behaviour meaning kneeling on people's necks?Malmesbury said:
Back to the statues.williamglenn said:
Everyone thought Columbo was an idiot. But it was all an act and he was just reeling them to collect the evidence.Fysics_Teacher said:
Everybody thought Columbus was an idiot. They were right.Nigelb said:Culture war tactics I almost approve of...
Movement grows to replace statues of Columbus with ones dedicated to a more respected figure—TV detective Lieutenant Columbo
https://www.theartnewspaper.com/news/movement-grows-to-replace-statues-of-columbus-with-ones-dedicated-to-a-more-respected-figure-tv-detective-lieutenant-columbo
...“Through a better understanding of history, Christopher Columbus no longer represents the values we wish to instill on future generations, yet monuments of this controversial figure are still in place throughout the country,” the organiser Ryan Toohey says. “We should replace the Columbus statue in Detroit with that of someone we can all admire; someone who always pursued truth and justice—Columbo. With only slight modifications to the plaque and the addition of a frumpy coat to the original statue, we can transform a symbol of hate into a beacon of hope.”...
He miscalculated the size of the Earth, getting a value about half the true value and so thought that India/China (he basically thought they were the same) and so thought that India was only a few thousand km west of Portugal.
That is why the native people of the Americas were called Indians for so long, and why we talk about the West Indies: Columbus died convinced that he had found India.
So the plan is to tear down statues of an Italian immigrant and replace it with statues of non-Italian rich white man who plays an Italian origin *policeman* as a *hero*? A hero who arrests women and minorities and does so without any real world US police behaviour?
Where this did come from - Donald Trump?
You'd be worried about automatic weapons but even there, tommy guns were common after the First World War, if not before.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/249740/percentage-of-households-in-the-united-states-owning-a-firearm/0 -
Going first is an advantage?DecrepiterJohnL said:To qualify (via penalties):-
Italy 1.93
Spain 2.06
Not really clear what that is based on.0
