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Casino_Royale said:

Fysics_Teacher said:

Nigelb said:

Culture war tactics I almost approve of...

Movement grows to replace statues of Columbus with ones dedicated to a more respected figure—TV detective Lieutenant Columbo
https://www.theartnewspaper.com/news/movement-grows-to-replace-statues-of-columbus-with-ones-dedicated-to-a-more-respected-figure-tv-detective-lieutenant-columbo
...“Through a better understanding of history, Christopher Columbus no longer represents the values we wish to instill on future generations, yet monuments of this controversial figure are still in place throughout the country,” the organiser Ryan Toohey says. “We should replace the Columbus statue in Detroit with that of someone we can all admire; someone who always pursued truth and justice—Columbo. With only slight modifications to the plaque and the addition of a frumpy coat to the original statue, we can transform a symbol of hate into a beacon of hope.”...

Everybody thought Columbus was an idiot. They were right.

He miscalculated the size of the Earth, getting a value about half the true value and so thought that India/China (he basically thought they were the same) and so thought that India was only a few thousand km west of Portugal.

That is why the native people of the Americas were called Indians for so long, and why we talk about the West Indies: Columbus died convinced that he had found India.

Statue toppling is the ultimate virtue-signal; it's what happens when you take social media censure, invective and cancel culture into the real world.

These obsessives are secretly delighted such statues of the impure exist, or else they couldn't make a name for themselves.

Vandalism in protests has long predated social media.

It used to be trying to trash McDonalds, or banks, or other premises. Now its statues because statues are getting a response. Nothing new.

rcs1000 said:

Andy_JS said:

Nigelb said:

Culture war tactics I almost approve of...

Movement grows to replace statues of Columbus with ones dedicated to a more respected figure—TV detective Lieutenant Columbo
https://www.theartnewspaper.com/news/movement-grows-to-replace-statues-of-columbus-with-ones-dedicated-to-a-more-respected-figure-tv-detective-lieutenant-columbo
...“Through a better understanding of history, Christopher Columbus no longer represents the values we wish to instill on future generations, yet monuments of this controversial figure are still in place throughout the country,” the organiser Ryan Toohey says. “We should replace the Columbus statue in Detroit with that of someone we can all admire; someone who always pursued truth and justice—Columbo. With only slight modifications to the plaque and the addition of a frumpy coat to the original statue, we can transform a symbol of hate into a beacon of hope.”...

Columbo is one of the best TV series ever in my opinion.

+1,000

They are almost all available on-line, and the first half dozen seasons are fantastic.

Fact for the day: the very first ever Columbo episode, Murder by the Book (1971) was directed by Steven Spielberg, when he was just 24 years old.

I’m just surprised Richard Donner never directed.
After all, he did Ironside, Cannon, Streets of San Francisco, Petrocelli, Kojack…
… and the Banana Splits.

Roger said:

So Leavers are most likely to support hanging least likely to have qualifications most likely to be obese and least likely to have a passport.

.......Well you could have knocked me down with a feather.....

Leavers are also less likely to be knocked down with a feather.

FrancisUrquhart said:

Philip_Thompson said:

Not sure what to think of tonight's Semi-Final. Both teams playing are absolutely top class nations that would be a worthy opponent if we can make it to the final.

Possibly hope it goes through to Penalties, though whoever wins tonight has one more day to recover anyway than we would if we go through, so even that probably won't make any difference.

England will want Spain rather than Italy. 120 mins and penalties, perhaps some injuries or sending offs even better.

Italy are favourites to go through. I've had a very tiny bet on Barella to be first Italian scorer, based mainly on a Racing Post tip.

IanB2 said:

ydoethur said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

On topic, I mentioned on here a former Tory agent or three said the voter ID bill might end up damaging the Tories given the age profile of Tory voters, if the old dears forget to bring ID will they remember to come back and vote with their ID?

Don't the Tory agents just farm their postal votes?

If they’re as bad at farming as Jeremy Clarkson I don’t think the opposition will be too worried.

I liked the way the first time he tried to herd sheep with a drone playing dog bark noises they ran this way and that; the second time the sheep just looked at it and took no notice.

I just liked the moment where he was so pleased with himself for thinking that running 82 sheep would be cheaper (well, more profitable) than mowing a wildflower meadow once a year.

DecrepiterJohnL said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Philip_Thompson said:

Not sure what to think of tonight's Semi-Final. Both teams playing are absolutely top class nations that would be a worthy opponent if we can make it to the final.

Possibly hope it goes through to Penalties, though whoever wins tonight has one more day to recover anyway than we would if we go through, so even that probably won't make any difference.

England will want Spain rather than Italy. 120 mins and penalties, perhaps some injuries or sending offs even better.

Italy are favourites to go through. I've had a very tiny bet on Barella to be first Italian scorer, based mainly on a Racing Post tip.

Spinazzola injury is a big loss for Italy.

England will prefer Spain as they have a softer core and aren't world class fouling, diving, time wasters...they are level below that in those stakes.

The worry against Italy is Italy score and then see out the match with a combination of good defending and cynical play, which England's conservative approach will really struggle to break down.

DecrepiterJohnL said:

RobD said:

DecrepiterJohnL said:

RobD said:

JosiasJessop said:

DecrepiterJohnL said:

Floater said:

Foxy said:

Floater said:

Leon said:

Floater said:

Delta update - Son, double jabbed and having suffered covid last year and his girlfriend (double jabbed) are both now on anti biotics

He describes this bout of covid as "far, far worse than the first one"

Lumme

Does he note any major differences in symptoms?

Sympathies to both of them; they are an interesting example

Last time he was rough for 48 hours tops - this time its longer than that - he seemed a bit better yesterday but not so good today.

Temperature is better - 37.1 earlier - sats at 94 last reading

He says he has only lost his sense of taste today

He is young but has some severe health issues which are a concern

The viral phase either gets better in a week, or switches to the more dangerous inflammatory phase, so if worsening then it does need to be taken very seriously. May well need in person assessment.

Thanks Foxy - I was really worried when his sats were below 90 - I'm happier that he is in touch regularly with NHS - although all on phone.


As an aside - track and trace have been active in checking that he has stayed at home - not that he is even thinking of going out right now

Pleased to hear the £37 billion we've spaffed on track and trace is not wholly wasted. GWS.

https://fullfact.org/online/37bn-test-trace-spending/

Not quite as bad as when the FT thought the entire NHS diagnostic budget was going to be used on testing.

So £20 billion up to April and what we have to show for it is one PBer's ill son getting a phone call, whereas the equivalent programmes in the Far East seem to have suppressed Covid quite effectively. But no doubt that's an unfair comparison because they are mindless automatons and we are an international transport hub or something.

Don't they have mass surveillance there? Good luck trying to enforce that in the UK.

London comes third in the cctv camera league table.
https://www.comparitech.com/vpn-privacy/the-worlds-most-surveilled-cities/

There really ought to be an inquiry into what has gone wrong with track and trace. It is ruinously expensive and there is little to show for it compared with the Far East. As I understand it, one important design issue we may have got wrong is whether to trace forwards or backwards: in other words, are you trying to work out where Patient X caught Covid, or who he might have given it to? Beyond that there are some implementation issues like dodgy apps, call centres and test labs but those are secondary imo. Or rather, they answer separate parts of the question: why is T&T so expensive, and why doesn't it work?

It makes HS2, Crossrail and the Great Western railway electrification seem positively Aberdonian in their budgeting.

Roger said:

So Leavers are most likely to support hanging least likely to have qualifications most likely to be obese and least likely to have a passport.

.......Well you could have knocked me down with a feather.....

You missed out the underpants...

https://www.politico.eu/article/brexit-voters-less-likely-to-change-their-underpants-every-day/

stodge said:

Pagan2 said:

Theoretically I am all for the right to protest and we should all be in a democracy. Indeed have been on more than a few myself. However I am ambivalent about this for one simple reason. Protests never changed a damn thing in this country. All they do at best is make headlines and at worst decline into property damage and violence.

If protests changed anything then I would be up in arms about this bill. As they don't I tend to go meh.

I'm not sure I wholly agree.

The anti-Poll Tax (or Community Charge if you prefer) protests were effective (NOT, I stress, the riot in London but the more peaceful and eccentric protests in rural England) when combined with a poor set of local elections which in turn fuelled more discontent which led ultimately to the overthrow of Margaret Thatcher.

Street protest has worked in non-democratic systems (1989 Eastern Europe being a good example).

In a democracy, it shouldn't work by itself but should be a catalyst to change within the process along with other activity.

I absolutely disagree; it’s one of the fundamental rights.

I’m not convinced posting in PB ever changed anything. Would we be happy if government made it illegal ?

Maffew said:

noneoftheabove said:

Pulpstar said:

MaxPB said:

rkrkrk said:

MaxPB said:

rkrkrk said:

MaxPB said:

rkrkrk said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

28k....37....406

Yep... not great at all. My prediction at start of the month was that we would get to 300/day by end of June... but I clearly underestimated it.

Remember also that the hospitalizations figure is actually for last week, there's a significant delay in reporting.
England which is a bit more up to date reported 390 admissions day before yesterday... so we have potentially broken 500 admission/day for UK already.

88% of people in hospital are unvaccinated or partially vaccinated. The people going into hospital are majority those who are refusing the vaccine, this was a known outcome of any unlockdown as we saw in Israel. What do you propose to avoid this outcome?

If a + b = 88%, can we say that either a or b is over 50%?

We've seen previous breakdowns of this figure were the actually unvaccinated make up a much larger proportion than the partially vaccinated, additionally we aren't halting the vaccine programme. Either way, you haven't answered the question, the vast majority of people in hospital now and for the foreseeable future are those who have said no to the vaccine. What do you propose we do?

Where is your evidence hospitals are full of refusers?

The answer was to vaccinate everyone, wait 2 weeks, and then lift restrictions.

But it's too late for that now. We are committed to an unnecessary wave. The only question is how big it will be.

A SAGE member said it this morning that 88% of people currently in hospital in England are unvaccinated or only partially vaccinated. Currently the latter group are just in a waiting period of getting their second dose and most of them could probably walk up and get one if they tried after 3/4 weeks.

How do you vaccinate everyone? Send in the army China style, hold them down and jab them, then do it again three weeks later?

I'd say it's easiest in London to get double vaxxed ahead of schedule but trickier elsewhere as there isn't the choice of jab sites out here in the sticks - we got texts explicitly saying not to come for seconds....
Hoping my other half gets her call up at 8 weeks, our surgery was a bit ahead on 1st doses of the national rollout anyway.

In London I got a text last week saying do not turn up to a walk in before 11 weeks as you will be turned away.

Interesting, the getjabbed sub-reddit has a lot on this and most London walk-ins seem to have changed their policy to 8 weeks minimum, but I haven't seen any suggestion of 11. Also you should be able to rebook your second jab for 8 weeks through the national booking system regardless.

Wow looks as though my wife (and you and your partner) got very lucky on the weekend just gone then. It's such a ridiculous policy. More doses in arms is always better than less. Now they're just going to sit in the fridge because the national booking system has an arbitrary 8 week limitation.

Casino_Royale said:

rcs1000 said:

Malmesbury said:

rcs1000 said:

I think it is time we all looked to Malta for Covid vaccination success. They have achieved the impossible.

According to their own government website, they are the only country where the number of people who are fully vaccinated (72.5%) exceeds the number who have received at least one dose (72.1%).

Edit to add: the data is easier to see on the EU page - https://vaccinetracker.ecdc.europa.eu/public/extensions/COVID-19/vaccine-tracker.html#national-ref-tab

Bunch of slackers

Gibralter has

1st dose - 116%
2nd dose - 115%

I take it back. It appears that Malta is not the only country to have achieved the impossible. Indeed, it's clear that Gibraltar's impossible is even more impossible than Malta's.

It's also very clear that if you want Covid vaccination success, you need the letters "lta" consecutively in your place name.

Join the British Empire: achieve the impossible?

Has Upper Volta achieved the impossible too?

Nigelb said:

stodge said:

Pagan2 said:

Theoretically I am all for the right to protest and we should all be in a democracy. Indeed have been on more than a few myself. However I am ambivalent about this for one simple reason. Protests never changed a damn thing in this country. All they do at best is make headlines and at worst decline into property damage and violence.

If protests changed anything then I would be up in arms about this bill. As they don't I tend to go meh.

I'm not sure I wholly agree.

The anti-Poll Tax (or Community Charge if you prefer) protests were effective (NOT, I stress, the riot in London but the more peaceful and eccentric protests in rural England) when combined with a poor set of local elections which in turn fuelled more discontent which led ultimately to the overthrow of Margaret Thatcher.

Street protest has worked in non-democratic systems (1989 Eastern Europe being a good example).

In a democracy, it shouldn't work by itself but should be a catalyst to change within the process along with other activity.

I absolutely disagree; it’s one of the fundamental rights.

I’m not convinced posting in PB ever changed anything. Would we be happy if government made it illegal ?

Absolutely. It is why freedom of assembly and to petition are protected in the First Ammendment in America.

A lot will be dependent on how the police enforce it. If peaceful protestors are arrested at the drop of a hat, then I can see a lot of cases being thrown out of court, and cases for wrongful arrest made.

DecrepiterJohnL said:

Euro 2020 Betfair outright prices and their implied probabilities:-
1 England 2.66 37.6%
2 Italy 3.25 30.8%
3 Spain 4.3 23.3%
4 Denmark 11 9.1%

Spain too short I think

TheScreamingEagles said:

Not been a good day for sport on the Covid-19 front, first it was the England cricket team now

The British & Irish Lions tour of South Africa has been plunged further into disarray after the match against the Bulls on Saturday was postponed and the Springboks were hit with another 11 Covid cases – including the head coach, Jacques Nienaber – raising more fears over the Test series.

On Tuesday it emerged the Bulls had recorded five positive cases and, taking into account close contacts, it was determined that the match in Pretoria on Saturday could not go ahead. The Lions were scrambling on Tuesday night to find a different opponent, while the Bulls match could yet be rearranged, but the postponement comes as a huge disruption for the tour.

South Africa meanwhile have seen a surge in Covid cases while their opponents on Friday night, Georgia, have recorded four. That match has not yet been called off but is hanging by a thread, leaving the Springboks likely to be badly undercooked for the Test series. Doubts remain as to whether the world champions will be able to face the Lions, however, with the series due to begin on 24 July.

On Monday the entire 46-man South Africa squad was put into isolation after the Sale Sharks second-row Lood de Jager tested positive. The hope was that the outbreak would be contained, as was the case last week, but four more players – Marvin Orie, Frans Steyn, Handré Pollard and Frans Malherbe – six members of staff, including Nienaber, and a masseuse all tested positive on Tuesday.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2021/jul/06/lions-tour-in-turmoil-as-bulls-match-called-off-and-covid-hits-springboks

And in the Premier League

At least one Premier League club has suffered a coronavirus outbreak among its squad following the return of its players for pre-season training, Telegraph Sport can reveal.

As scientists warn teams to plan for a surge in positive cases as they reconvene following their summer holidays, at least one manager fears the resulting disruption will be the worst of the Covid-19 crisis.

In the past fortnight top-flight players who are not involved in the European Championship or other international fixtures have returned from their longest break away from the game since the pandemic began.

Their time spent outside the squad environment – in which they were subject to strict protocols to limit the spread of the virus – has coincided with a surge in new cases across the country, particularly among men under the age of 30.

The Telegraph has been told that two players at one club have fallen ill with the virus, with a staff member also having to quarantine after his children tested positive.

Some lower-league teams are also reported to have been travelling around the UK for pre-season training camps on public transport rather than on Covid-secure coaches.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2021/07/06/new-coronavirus-outbreak-premier-league-club-puts-managers-high/

England are going to manage to get past Denmark and then half the team will be pinged the night before the final. You can just see it coming.

Taz said:

Foxy said:

Roger said:

So Leavers are most likely to support hanging least likely to have qualifications most likely to be obese and least likely to have a passport.

.......Well you could have knocked me down with a feather.....

You missed out the underpants...

https://www.politico.eu/article/brexit-voters-less-likely-to-change-their-underpants-every-day/

Is that not because most go Commando ?

Or wear inco-pads...

Foxy said:

Roger said:

So Leavers are most likely to support hanging least likely to have qualifications most likely to be obese and least likely to have a passport.

.......Well you could have knocked me dow. If notn with a feather.....

You missed out the underpants...

httpts://www.politico.eu/article/brexit-voters-less-likely-to-change-their-underpants-every-day/

Does it mention anything about remainers being equally bigoted. If not it ought. You have Scott P as your cheerleader....

I can see Spain nicking this.

I am not sure Spain are the easier ride than Italy for Boris' boys.

England aren't going to be beating either of these teams....

squareroot2 said:

Foxy said:

ydoethur said:

Malmesbury said:

rcs1000 said:

I think it is time we all looked to Malta for Covid vaccination success. They have achieved the impossible.

According to their own government website, they are the only country where the number of people who are fully vaccinated (72.5%) exceeds the number who have received at least one dose (72.1%).

Edit to add: the data is easier to see on the EU page - https://vaccinetracker.ecdc.europa.eu/public/extensions/COVID-19/vaccine-tracker.html#national-ref-tab

Bunch of slackers

Gibralter has

1st dose - 116%
2nd dose - 115%

Those figures have thrown a Grenada in the southern Spanish drive, though.

I don't think the Spanish can a Ford to scoff at that.

I don't think that they are entitled to Seat at that particular table.

Can you stop porsche-er-ring us now?

To be honest I'm more worried about Denmark than I am about Spain or Italy.

Stocky said:

@Leon I'm currently picturing you in a bar surrounded by senoritas looking leery yet happy and hopeful.

They’re all about 45 or older

I think all the young ladies of Soller have been forced to watch the game by their boyfs

A barrister asks

Will it still be ok to wear masks in banks after the 19th of July (asking for a client)?

Nigelb said:

stodge said:

I'm not sure I wholly agree.

The anti-Poll Tax (or Community Charge if you prefer) protests were effective (NOT, I stress, the riot in London but the more peaceful and eccentric protests in rural England) when combined with a poor set of local elections which in turn fuelled more discontent which led ultimately to the overthrow of Margaret Thatcher.

Street protest has worked in non-democratic systems (1989 Eastern Europe being a good example).

In a democracy, it shouldn't work by itself but should be a catalyst to change within the process along with other activity.

I absolutely disagree; it’s one of the fundamental rights.

I’m not convinced posting in PB ever changed anything. Would we be happy if government made it illegal ?

I wasn't arguing about the right to protest per se - which I wholeheartedly support- but on @Pagan2's notion such protests never achieved anything.

MY argument is within the democratic process, widescale protest should act as a catalyst for change within the process by persuading MPs either to change course or to risk the wrath of the electorate.

The notion protest itself drives or should drive change in a democratic system is one I don't accept - I do agree within an undemocratic system, sometimes actual protest is all that's available (with all the risks that flow from that).

DecrepiterJohnL said:

Betfair in-play:-
Italy 2.9
Spain 3.1
Draw 2.9

Looks about right to me.

TheScreamingEagles said:

A barrister asks

Will it still be ok to wear masks in banks after the 19th of July (asking for a client)?

Well, yes, unless you need visual identification in which case, no.

Just as it’s legal to wear a mankini in a bank, if you specially want to.

The point is, it won’t be compulsory. Which I think is an improvement, personally.

...

Scott_xP said:

...

I rate this German referee, he is taking none of this Mediterranean diving rubbish

MarqueeMark said:

Spain should be ahead. Some superb play and awful finishing.

Italy dangerous on the counter-attack.

Stuartinromford said:

stodge said:

Pagan2 said:

Theoretically I am all for the right to protest and we should all be in a democracy. Indeed have been on more than a few myself. However I am ambivalent about this for one simple reason. Protests never changed a damn thing in this country. All they do at best is make headlines and at worst decline into property damage and violence.

If protests changed anything then I would be up in arms about this bill. As they don't I tend to go meh.

I'm not sure I wholly agree.

The anti-Poll Tax (or Community Charge if you prefer) protests were effective (NOT, I stress, the riot in London but the more peaceful and eccentric protests in rural England) when combined with a poor set of local elections which in turn fuelled more discontent which led ultimately to the overthrow of Margaret Thatcher.

Street protest has worked in non-democratic systems (1989 Eastern Europe being a good example).

In a democracy, it shouldn't work by itself but should be a catalyst to change within the process along with other activity.

Or the protests about the BBC's plans to put rolling news on the R4 Long Wave frequency;

What would we like?
Radio 4
Where would we like it?
Long wave
What do we say?
Please

As long as it doesn't interfere with TMS .it's fine...

Mexicanpete said:

MarqueeMark said:

Spain should be ahead. Some superb play and awful finishing.

Italy dangerous on the counter-attack.

Losing it in midfield though.

This referee is not a fan of stoppage time.

Nigelb said:

stodge said:

Pagan2 said:

Theoretically I am all for the right to protest and we should all be in a democracy. Indeed have been on more than a few myself. However I am ambivalent about this for one simple reason. Protests never changed a damn thing in this country. All they do at best is make headlines and at worst decline into property damage and violence.

If protests changed anything then I would be up in arms about this bill. As they don't I tend to go meh.

I'm not sure I wholly agree.

The anti-Poll Tax (or Community Charge if you prefer) protests were effective (NOT, I stress, the riot in London but the more peaceful and eccentric protests in rural England) when combined with a poor set of local elections which in turn fuelled more discontent which led ultimately to the overthrow of Margaret Thatcher.

Street protest has worked in non-democratic systems (1989 Eastern Europe being a good example).

In a democracy, it shouldn't work by itself but should be a catalyst to change within the process along with other activity.

I absolutely disagree; it’s one of the fundamental rights.

I’m not convinced posting in PB ever changed anything. Would we be happy if government made it illegal ?

"I’m not convinced posting in PB ever changed anything"

I think you'll find it regularly changes the odds...

Traded out of my Spain lay for a tiny tiny profit. Looking better than I thought they would against Italy tbh.

solarflare said:

My friends and I have always joked that they should do a Justice League series of TV detectives. Obviously there was a Magnum PI/Murder She Wrote crossover, but go bigger than that.

Columbo, Jessica Fletcher, Magnum PI, Perry Mason, the dudes from Diagnosis Murder, Monk...they all get in a van and go around America solving murder mysteries for...reasons. Got to be done.

Monk is a brilliant series. Great characters.

solarflare said:

My friends and I have always joked that they should do a Justice League series of TV detectives. Obviously there was a Magnum PI/Murder She Wrote crossover, but go bigger than that.

Columbo, Jessica Fletcher, Magnum PI, Perry Mason, the dudes from Diagnosis Murder, Monk...they all get in a van and go around America solving murder mysteries for...reasons. Got to be done.

Isn't that the plot of Scooby Doo?

It was the Lighthouse Keeper who did it and he would have gotten away with it if it wasn't for those meddling detectives.

Taz said:

Foxy said:

Roger said:

So Leavers are most likely to support hanging least likely to have qualifications most likely to be obese and least likely to have a passport.

.......Well you could have knocked me down with a feather.....

You missed out the underpants...

https://www.politico.eu/article/brexit-voters-less-likely-to-change-their-underpants-every-day/

Is that not because most go Commando ?

Deliberately or because they forget to put them on?

squareroot2 said:

Foxy said:

Roger said:

So Leavers are most likely to support hanging least likely to have qualifications most likely to be obese and least likely to have a passport.

.......Well you could have knocked me dow. If notn with a feather.....

You missed out the underpants...

httpts://www.politico.eu/article/brexit-voters-less-likely-to-change-their-underpants-every-day/

Does it mention anything about remainers being equally bigoted. If not it ought. You have Scott P as your cheerleader....

I don't think they asked a question about bigotry, or gullabilty for that matter...

Philip_Thompson said:

solarflare said:

My friends and I have always joked that they should do a Justice League series of TV detectives. Obviously there was a Magnum PI/Murder She Wrote crossover, but go bigger than that.

Columbo, Jessica Fletcher, Magnum PI, Perry Mason, the dudes from Diagnosis Murder, Monk...they all get in a van and go around America solving murder mysteries for...reasons. Got to be done.

Isn't that the plot of Scooby Doo?

It was the Lighthouse Keeper who did it and he would have gotten away with it if it wasn't for those meddling detectives.

And who is the TV detective equivalent of Scrappy Doo?

SandyRentool said:

On vinyl records:

Getting three minutes of pleasure from a seven inch.

What do you get from a 12 inch?

SandyRentool said:

On vinyl records:

Getting three minutes of pleasure from a seven inch.

"Records", you say?

rcs1000 said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

rcs1000 said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

rcs1000 said:

Andy_JS said:

Nigelb said:

Culture war tactics I almost approve of...

Movement grows to replace statues of Columbus with ones dedicated to a more respected figure—TV detective Lieutenant Columbo
https://www.theartnewspaper.com/news/movement-grows-to-replace-statues-of-columbus-with-ones-dedicated-to-a-more-respected-figure-tv-detective-lieutenant-columbo
...“Through a better understanding of history, Christopher Columbus no longer represents the values we wish to instill on future generations, yet monuments of this controversial figure are still in place throughout the country,” the organiser Ryan Toohey says. “We should replace the Columbus statue in Detroit with that of someone we can all admire; someone who always pursued truth and justice—Columbo. With only slight modifications to the plaque and the addition of a frumpy coat to the original statue, we can transform a symbol of hate into a beacon of hope.”...

Columbo is one of the best TV series ever in my opinion.

+1,000

They are almost all available on-line, and the first half dozen seasons are fantastic.

Fact for the day: the very first ever Columbo episode, Murder by the Book (1971) was directed by Steven Spielberg, when he was just 24 years old.

No, the first ever Columbo episode was Prescription Murder (1968), directed by Richard Irving.

Technically, that was the pilot, which (bizarrely) was three years before they made a series.

"Prescription: Murder is the first ever episode of Columbo. It first aired on February 20, 1968 and was directed by Richard Irving. The episode stars Peter Falk in his first appearance as Lieutenant Columbo and Gene Barry as the series' first murderer, Dr. Ray Fleming."

https://columbo.fandom.com/wiki/Prescription:_Murder

Very sneaky of you not to include the last line of that paragraph:

"This series began officially with Murder by the Book"

Murder by the Book was actually the third ever episode!

Ransom for a Dead Man was the second ever episode, also from 1971.

https://columbo.fandom.com/wiki/Ransom_for_a_Dead_Man

Italy score!!

What a counter.

Italy 1-0 up.

Italy 1.44
Spain 15.5
Draw 4.1

To qualify:-
Italy 1.24
Spain 5

FrancisUrquhart said:

And now for 30 mins of time wasting from Italy.

And gold plated chance wasting from Spain it seems.

moonshine said:

solarflare said:

My friends and I have always joked that they should do a Justice League series of TV detectives. Obviously there was a Magnum PI/Murder She Wrote crossover, but go bigger than that.

Columbo, Jessica Fletcher, Magnum PI, Perry Mason, the dudes from Diagnosis Murder, Monk...they all get in a van and go around America solving murder mysteries for...reasons. Got to be done.

Julia Donaldson is missing a trick by not making an avengers style team up of all her characters

Cannon is more suitable for the 21st century, surely?

Did Petrocelli ever finish his house?

Brendan O'Neill:

"The mask meltdown in particular captured what is really going on here. Sections of the elite are bristling against the lifting of restrictions not because the stats suggest we are heading for another wave as deadly as the first and second – they suggest no such thing – but because they fear other people. Our faces, our breath, the noises we make. Masks will ‘provide an extra layer of defence from the person an inch from your face on the Northern line who hasn’t cleaned their teeth’, said that Indie columnist. In the future we will ‘look back in disbelief at the way we once breathed and snorted and coughed over each other, letting germs and bugs run riot’, he argued. A masked society, in which we all enjoy a modicum of protection from other people’s germ-ridden expressions, is ‘heaven’, he says. Translation: Hell is other people."

https://www.spiked-online.com/2021/07/06/boris-dont-give-in-to-the-neurotic-middle-classes/

Nigelb said:

stodge said:

Pagan2 said:

Theoretically I am all for the right to protest and we should all be in a democracy. Indeed have been on more than a few myself. However I am ambivalent about this for one simple reason. Protests never changed a damn thing in this country. All they do at best is make headlines and at worst decline into property damage and violence.

If protests changed anything then I would be up in arms about this bill. As they don't I tend to go meh.

I'm not sure I wholly agree.

The anti-Poll Tax (or Community Charge if you prefer) protests were effective (NOT, I stress, the riot in London but the more peaceful and eccentric protests in rural England) when combined with a poor set of local elections which in turn fuelled more discontent which led ultimately to the overthrow of Margaret Thatcher.

Street protest has worked in non-democratic systems (1989 Eastern Europe being a good example).

In a democracy, it shouldn't work by itself but should be a catalyst to change within the process along with other activity.

I absolutely disagree; it’s one of the fundamental rights.

I’m not convinced posting in PB ever changed anything. Would we be happy if government made it illegal ?

The difference though is posting on PB doesnt inconvenience people just trying to get on with their daily lives, cause lots of street trash or end up with injured people all of which street protest tends towards

🗣 "What would it mean to you guys to stop it 'coming home' tomorrow night?"

"Has it ever been home? Have you ever won it?"

Kasper Schmeichel went there 💥

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