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  • moonshinemoonshine Posts: 5,814

    Agreed.

    I might have a few quid on Galloway now...
    As I half joked earlier, the story won’t be forgotten unless Biden puts on his big boy pants this weekend and says “well if it’s not us, and it’s not Russia or China, we must face the hard truth of what logically is left on the list that it can be”.

  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,179

    As someone who thinks a great many people at A&E are malingerers who shouldn't be there and should see their GP instead at best ... That gives some food for thought.
    Many people attend A&E because their GP is unreachable. When trials have been made of GP type services at hospitals to filter the A&E queues, they have practically emptied them, at times.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,454
    edited June 2021
    Only 3% of under-50s hospitalised with Indian Covid have been fully vaccinated - and NONE have died.
  • DavidL said:



    Nearly 40k items of wit and wisdom, occasionally even correct and I get the most likes ever for being alive.

    Hmmm
    Now you are just tempting the rest of us to try the same trick.

    Did I ever mention my sore elbow?
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 40,017
    Stocky said:

    @Leon

    Majorca vs Menorca - any views?

    Menorca is where the Spanish tend to go.

  • maaarshmaaarsh Posts: 3,592
    Pulpstar said:

    Northern Ireland is definitely falling behind in the vaccine rollout, bit less than 80% of adults there - England and Scotland up to over 83%.

    and yet they have the lowest cases now.

    https://twitter.com/UKCovid19Stats/status/1408417956330082304

    Meanwhile this qualifies as an excellent day's number for Nicola after near as dammit hitting 3k for the last 2 days.
  • StockyStocky Posts: 10,276

    The deputy political editor of the Sun, Kate Ferguson, has just accused No. 10 of 'massive contempt' for the public. This is not going away. Not by a long chalk.

    Defending Cummings, Johnson said "I think he followed the instincts of every father and every parent, and I do not mark him down for that.”

    Hancock?

    This may be a weaker defence?: "I think he followed the instincts of every husband in search of a extra-marital knee-trembler in an alley and I do not mark him down for that.”

  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,195
    DavidL said:

    I am pleased to report that tales of my demise are somewhat exaggerated.
    I took the advice on here last night and called 999. I spent a somewhat uncomfortable night but feel somewhat better today. Still waiting for a scan but it looks like a blood clot.
    Thanks very much for the concern, it was much appreciated.
    Hope my colleagues are looking after you well.

    Blood clots at the moment are very topical. Platelets and D-dimers OK? I expect your physicians would have checked.

    Best wishes
  • contrariancontrarian Posts: 5,818
    moonshine said:

    As I half joked earlier, the story won’t be forgotten unless Biden puts on his big boy pants this weekend and says “well if it’s not us, and it’s not Russia or China, we must face the hard truth of what logically is left on the list that it can be”.

    Ironically, Starmer may be cursing this. If he can't win B&S after this monster scandal, well.....
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 9,011
    Today's topic: does he get the sack for getting in the sack?
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    moonshine said:

    As I half joked earlier, the story won’t be forgotten unless Biden puts on his big boy pants this weekend and says “well if it’s not us, and it’s not Russia or China, we must face the hard truth of what logically is left on the list that it can be”.

    Did you see the Lue Elizondo response to the question "if everybody found out what you knew, what would the next week be like?"
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,727
    edited June 2021
    Stocky said:

    @Leon

    Majorca vs Menorca - any views?

    Both quite touristy, both beautiful in parts. Both have great beaches, good food, nice wine

    Majorca has a lot more tacky resorts and general tat, but as it is so much bigger, it also has way more choice

    Generally I'd go for Menorca, it has a lovely little city, Ciutadella, and some exquisite natural areas (much less spoiled than Majorca). But watch the weather - Menorca can be quite windswept even in summer (yachties like it for that reason)

    Avoid Ibiza, unless you want clubs and glam. It's rather ugly
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 40,017

    By Tuesday people will be singing Three Lions and cheering on England Vs Germany.

    The proportion of people who care about politics in this country like we do is miniscule.

    What non-political people don't like is politicians taking the piss. That's the issue here for Hancock - and for Johnson now he has backed Hancock.

  • StockyStocky Posts: 10,276
    Leon said:

    Both quite touristy, both beautiful in parts. Both have great beaches, good food, nice wine

    Majorca has a lot more tacky resorts and general tat, but as it is so much bigger, it also has way more choice

    Generally I'd go for Menorca, it has a lovely little city, Ciutadella, and some exquisite natural areas (much less spoiled than Majorca). But watch the weather - Menorca can be quite windswept even in summer (yachties like it for that reason)

    Avoid Ibiza, unless you want clubs and glam. It's rather ugly
    Have you visited the capital Mahon? If so, how does it compare to Ciutadella?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,208

    Only 3% of under-50s hospitalised with Indian Covid have been fully vaccinated - and NONE have died.

    The pandemic is basically over if you've been vaccinated and are under 50.
  • contrariancontrarian Posts: 5,818
    Stocky said:

    Defending Cummings, Johnson said "I think he followed the instincts of every father and every parent, and I do not mark him down for that.”

    Hancock?

    This may be a weaker defence?: "I think he followed the instincts of every husband in search of a extra-marital knee-trembler in an alley and I do not mark him down for that.”

    LOL

    Except of course, the instincts of most husbands are not strong enough to extend to abrogating and clinging on to the ancient liberties of the people of Great Britain for their fulfillment.

    That's one powerful cause, right there.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,727
    Stocky said:

    Have you visited the capital Mahon? If so, how does it compare to Ciutadella?
    Yes I've seen both. Mahon is pleasant - it is nice by the marina, and anywhere near the water - but nothing particularly special

    Ciutadella has an exquisite Gothic core, it's gorgeous. Definitely nicer
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,195

    Many people attend A&E because their GP is unreachable. When trials have been made of GP type services at hospitals to filter the A&E queues, they have practically emptied them, at times.
    Not the case at my Trust. Triage in ED divides patients between the Onsite GPs and the hospital ED, but the wait is often 4 hours+.

    Attendees are definitely up at the moment.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,454
    edited June 2021
    Pulpstar said:

    The pandemic is basically over if you've been vaccinated and are under 50.
    Obviously need to be a bit careful as really its only 40-50 year olds that have been fully vaccinated, but still. Quick look at the wider data, even oldie, yes there is escape, yes some are ending up in hospital, but we are talking small numbers, 50 over 50s have died after 2 doses (and that is before considering did they catch it before 2nd dose kicked in properly, did they have a load of other conditions, were they really really old)...

    Before 2020, nobody would even report 50 old people dying of flu.

    Oh and this is 1st Feb -> 21 June...50 oldies dying in 5 months, I mean you start to factor in everything else and you are literally talking near 0 deaths due to just COVID.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 19,155
    TOPPING said:

    It's more than that. If he really, really thought that people should remain socially distanced, even loved ones, parents, children, grandparents, he would not have done that because he would, in so doing, have been instrumental in spreading the virus that he told us could devastate the country.

    So it is possible he thought that social distancing rules weren't absolutely vital to prevent devastation of the country.
    Human psychology isn't that simple. People find ways to rationalise things that they know are wrong all the time.
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    That is utterly damming .. .and heart-breaking too
  • contrariancontrarian Posts: 5,818
    Kate Andrews destroying Hancock in the Speccie.
  • Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905
    eek said:

    That is very much worth reading as it highlights Boris's real issue here. Hancock's screw up in being caught means he can't be promoted to solve a different problem Boris is going to have.
    The most encouraging snippet from that piece is Bush's conclusion that the restrictions will now have to go on July 19th - because Hancock's not going anywhere, and it would be politically unsustainable to drag out masks and social distancing whilst simultaneously having him in charge of the DHSC.

    I won't be able to throw out all my gags, since I'm pretty certain we're going to be stuck with them at work for a while yet, but at least one will have to be ceremonially burned to celebrate.
  • northern_monkeynorthern_monkey Posts: 1,640

    TV go home is a work of utter genius. A few residents of Daily Mail Island post here I think.
    Haha yes I think you're right!
  • eekeek Posts: 29,719
    Foxy said:

    Not the case at my Trust. Triage in ED divides patients between the Onsite GPs and the hospital ED, but the wait is often 4 hours+.

    Attendees are definitely up at the moment.
    I think Malmesbury point is that it reduces the A&E queue massively - the GP one is probably longer (as you say) but that's just a sit and wait queue which many GP surgery operate as well.

    And people complain about taking hours out to see your GP but won't care about sitting for hours in A&E.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,179
    Foxy said:

    Not the case at my Trust. Triage in ED divides patients between the Onsite GPs and the hospital ED, but the wait is often 4 hours+.

    Attendees are definitely up at the moment.
    I meant that the A&E queues mostly ended up seeing the GPs - and it was a GP they really wanted. At least, that was so a one of my local hospitals when they tried it.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,702
    As one of the replies says: ouch
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,727
    Floater said:

    That is utterly damming .. .and heart-breaking too
    He has to resign. This will be much worse than Cummings
  • StockyStocky Posts: 10,276

    LOL

    Except of course, the instincts of most husbands are not strong enough to extend to abrogating and clinging on to the ancient liberties of the people of Great Britain for their fulfillment.

    That's one powerful cause, right there.
    Like a dog with a bone you are.
  • contrariancontrarian Posts: 5,818
    Floater said:

    That is utterly damming .. .and heart-breaking too
    Kate Andrews in the Speccie contends that Hancock has been one of the most aggressive of all cabinet ministers, pushing for laws instead of guidance etc. at every turn.

    The matter is closed? what are number 10 on!!!
  • moonshinemoonshine Posts: 5,814
    Floater said:

    Did you see the Lue Elizondo response to the question "if everybody found out what you knew, what would the next week be like?"
    I did. He has given up dancing round the issue hasn’t he and is speaking fairly plainly.

    The Currant Bun had an interesting piece yesterday too, bringing the story of the fabled “Triangle Photo” to the masses.
    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/15367584/pentagon-black-triangle-ufo-photo-fighter-pilot/

    I caught up with someone lately for the first time in ages, who asked for my biggest stock tip. Highly sensible lad, not one to overdramatise anything. I said that I had no idea how to play it and it sounds outlandish, but the biggest external force on markets in the next couple of years will be confirmation of non human intelligence controlling UFO’s. He said: no that’s not outlandish. Seems obvious that’s where the Americans are going with this.

  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,702

    Human psychology isn't that simple. People find ways to rationalise things that they know are wrong all the time.
    Yeah sure. But he is SoS for Health. Human psychology probably yearns to tell Nick Robinson or Andrew Neil to fuck off, for example, but if you are an SOS you don't. Likewise in other situations such as this one.
  • eekeek Posts: 29,719
    Pulpstar said:

    The pandemic is basically over if you've been vaccinated and are under 50.
    Under 50 and 2 weeks after being vaccinated with the second dose (with the first dose after 2 weeks you are significantly safer but not safe).
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 44,077
    SandraMc said:

    Re: the Hancock affair. Popbitch had an item yesterday that are rumours that all is not well with the Gove/Vine union. The timing seems a bit of a coincidence.

    There cannot be any woman crazy enough on the planet to want to have any relationship with Gove. I cannot believe that.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 44,077
    Have we heard any news re DavidL @DavidL
  • contrariancontrarian Posts: 5,818
    Stocky said:

    Like a dog with a bone you are.
    Or a man without a life.

    Time to sign off and go and get one!
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,454
    edited June 2021
    50 over 50s who were fully vaccinated have died in 5 months with COVID....that astonishing given where we were a year ago. It really is a miracle.

    Handy Cock is going to dominant the headline and should be on his bike, but we should be shouting the above from the rooftops....the plague is passing....a new dawn is breaking...and even new variants, we have the technology....
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,179
    eek said:

    I think Malmesbury point is that it reduces the A&E queue massively - the GP one is probably longer (as you say) but that's just a sit and wait queue which many GP surgery operate as well.

    And people complain about taking hours out to see your GP but won't care about sitting for hours in A&E.
    The problem is getting an appointment in the first place to see your GP.

    Many practices switch the phones on at 8am. At 8:05 all the appointments for the day are gone. Next week sometime....

    So people without extreme speed dialling repeat skills don't get appointments....

    In that case, no wonder people head to A&E.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,727
    moonshine said:

    I did. He has given up dancing round the issue hasn’t he and is speaking fairly plainly.

    The Currant Bun had an interesting piece yesterday too, bringing the story of the fabled “Triangle Photo” to the masses.
    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/15367584/pentagon-black-triangle-ufo-photo-fighter-pilot/

    I caught up with someone lately for the first time in ages, who asked for my biggest stock tip. Highly sensible lad, not one to overdramatise anything. I said that I had no idea how to play it and it sounds outlandish, but the biggest external force on markets in the next couple of years will be confirmation of non human intelligence controlling UFO’s. He said: no that’s not outlandish. Seems obvious that’s where the Americans are going with this.

    I have a friend who has gone from complete, snarling disbelief, to advancing a theory that they have bases under the oceans, in about 3 months
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,208
    edited June 2021
    Foxy said:

    Not the case at my Trust. Triage in ED divides patients between the Onsite GPs and the hospital ED, but the wait is often 4 hours+.

    Attendees are definitely up at the moment.
    GPs are in an absolubtely appalling place at the moment. I've got a blocked ear - now I don't think it's infected but I can't be 100% sure and I appreciate the NHS doesn't offer syringing but I'd have at least expected my surgery to you know offer to have a look at it in case they decide perhaps I should be on antibiotics. Hopefully the ear drops I got from the chemist will do the trick but I'm not impressed.
    What the hell is going on
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,775

    Good stuff. It's obviously good to hear that this wasn't anything disastrous.

    The broader take home message from this story is to always make a nuisance of yourself when you think you *might* have a serious medical problem. Too many people in general, and men in particular, have a tendency not to want to, and some of them end up avoidably deceased as a result.
    That's absolutely true in general but it's the opposite if you're prone to panic attacks. There, the challenge is to detect what is real from what seems real. By definition this is quite difficult.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 38,487

    What non-political people don't like is politicians taking the piss. That's the issue here for Hancock - and for Johnson now he has backed Hancock.

    Yes, Hancock will be a figure of fun.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,195
    edited June 2021
    Leon said:

    Both quite touristy, both beautiful in parts. Both have great beaches, good food, nice wine

    Majorca has a lot more tacky resorts and general tat, but as it is so much bigger, it also has way more choice

    Generally I'd go for Menorca, it has a lovely little city, Ciutadella, and some exquisite natural areas (much less spoiled than Majorca). But watch the weather - Menorca can be quite windswept even in summer (yachties like it for that reason)

    Avoid Ibiza, unless you want clubs and glam. It's rather ugly
    I first went to Mallorca when Fox Jr was 9/12 and we wanted some where handy with sun and beach. I didn't expect too much, but it was lovely, and we have been back 5 times over the years.

    Inland is very different to the tourist trap resorts, but even these have moved upmarket over the years and some of the quieter bays are gorgeous. Palma itself is very interesting, but go in the afternoon and it is closed. Morning for shopping and evening for dining. The north coast is cooler in the summer, with a welcome breeze.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,537
    Leon said:

    We are friends, let's face it. We're a bunch of old gits, gathering every day in a rickety pub to exchange village gossip and well-known opinions. We have in-jokes and backstory, we have feuds and alliances, we are a weird community of characters. Virtual, but real

    If a PB-er gets ill I feel it

    I was genuinely sad to hear about Plato, yet I never met her
    You're an old softy at heart :)
  • Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905
    malcolmg said:

    Have we heard any news re DavidL @DavidL

    Much news has been forthcoming (see downthread.) Trip to hospital, diagnosed with blood clot. Alive and well, if not quite 100%.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,195
    Pulpstar said:

    GPs are in an absolubtely appalling place at the moment. I've got a blocked ear - now I don't think it's infected but I can't be 100% sure and I appreciate the NHS doesn't offer syringing but I'd have at least expected my surgery to you know offer to have a look at it in case they decide perhaps I should be on antibiotics. Hopefully the ear drops I got from the chemist will do the trick but I'm not impressed.
    What the hell is going on
    Syringing is horrible. Get the wax cleared out by microsuction if you can. Quite a few high St places do so.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,287
    edited June 2021

    The only way Johnson can sack Hancock is for breaching social distancing rules. He can hardly chuck him under the bus for any alleged infidelity, can he?
    Yes for breaking social distancing rules. I don’t think people should be sacked for alleged infidelity whether their boss has done it or not
  • alex_alex_ Posts: 7,518
    malcolmg said:

    Have we heard any news re DavidL @DavidL

    He was having a nice quiet day in hospital until TSE woke him up.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,775

    Does anyone take the PM seriously? What is the difference. The debasing of the Tory Party continues at pace.
    Yes, one fears for the Tory Party. It will be left in dire straits after Johnson has had his wicked way with it. Worth it for a quick Brexit? Not for me to say, I suppose, being not a Tory and not a Leaver.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    What non-political people don't like is politicians taking the piss. That's the issue here for Hancock - and for Johnson now he has backed Hancock.

    I agree completely that's the issue not the infidelity.

    The question to ask is if most people get annoyed by this, or take the piss out of it. By the increasing prevalence of "Eat Out To Help Out" and similar remarks being made, its likely to be the latter.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 19,155
    maaarsh said:

    and yet they have the lowest cases now.

    https://twitter.com/UKCovid19Stats/status/1408417956330082304

    Meanwhile this qualifies as an excellent day's number for Nicola after near as dammit hitting 3k for the last 2 days.
    The small print is that they think there are lab delays, so the number is understated by ~1000.

    So not much difference to last two days.
  • eekeek Posts: 29,719
    edited June 2021
    Leon said:

    I have a friend who has gone from complete, snarling disbelief, to advancing a theory that they have bases under the oceans, in about 3 months
    Fixed that for everyone else who has read your posts over the past three months.

    I hope it helps but I doubt it.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    Sean_F said:

    Yes, Hancock will be a figure of fun.
    Agreed, and politically that's survivable, even if it shouldn't be.

    Genuine anger is a problem, being a butt of jokes is not really nowadays.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 31,234
    edited June 2021
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    isam said:

    Yes for breaking social distancing rules. I don’t think people should be sacked for alleged infidelity whether their boss has done it or not
    Archbishop of Canterbury? The Pope (with caveats)?
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,775
    DavidL said:



    Nearly 40k items of wit and wisdom, occasionally even correct and I get the most likes ever for being alive.

    Hmmm
    But if you do it again next week it won't work. We're pretty shrewd on here. You'll be busted.
  • eekeek Posts: 29,719

    Agreed, and politically that's survivable, even if it shouldn't be.

    Genuine anger is a problem, being a butt of jokes is not really nowadays.
    If genuine anger / resentment is there it will build up slowly until the problem manifests itself in polling (at which point it may be too late).

    And I suspect this is the sort of story that will build up resentment even as people joke about it.
  • Foxy said:

    I first went to Mallorca when Fox Jr was 9/12 and we wanted some where handy with sun and beach. I didn't expect too much, but it was lovely, and we have been back 5 times over the years.

    Inland is very different to the tourist trap resorts, but even these have moved upmarket over the years and some of the quieter bays are gorgeous. Palma itself is very interesting, but go in the afternoon and it is closed. Morning for shopping and evening for dining. The north coast is cooler in the summer, with a welcome breeze.
    The BBC afternoon cop mismatch programme The Mallorca Files, https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000bqkm, shows off the island quite well.
  • alex_alex_ Posts: 7,518
    Let’s face it - for those who favour lifting of restrictions shortly, the fact that he’s not been sacked is a pretty good indication that they will be.

    Which probably goes a long way to explaining why these pictures made it into the media...
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    eek said:

    If genuine anger / resentment is there it will build up slowly until the problem manifests itself in polling (at which point it may be too late).

    And I suspect this is the sort of story that will build up resentment even as people joke about it.
    I think the genuine anger/resentment would be unsurmountable if lockdown is extended again.

    Which is a good reason why it won't be. Thankfully!
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,775
    Leon said:

    A word of caution. We aren't privy to the secrets of Matt Hancock's marriage. Perhaps it is an open marriage. Perhaps they like consensual polyamory. Perhaps she also takes lovers.

    We don't know it's "cheating". It is definitely embarrassing, and he should probably resign for the flagrant breaking of lockdown rules - but he should not resign for having sex

    BTW well done in not being dead, get better soon
    Doubt it's an open marriage. Not the Hancocks.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,537
    kinabalu said:

    I must be unusual then. For me, cheating on his wife marks him down far more than this 'hypocrisy' bollox. Hypocrisy has to be the most overattacked vice there is. We're all hypocrites. We don't all cheat on our partners.
    Certainly, but his hypocrisy affects us as hes in a position of power, his being a shagger doesnt affect us.

    The two are just coinciding for now.
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 5,562
    isam said:

    Yes for breaking social distancing rules. I don’t think people should be sacked for alleged infidelity whether their boss has done it or not
    Now, if the boss has broken social distancing rules in the same manner as Hancock - not inconceivable - then sacking Hancock would be a problematic route to him..
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,775

    That's why pipsqueaks like Hancock want power. Power is an aphrodisiac, when they have little else to offer.

    And it also why they are desperate to hang on to power. Without power, who the f8ck wants a man like Hancock? who would betray their family for him?
    Like your men a bit bigger, do you?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,727
    eek said:

    Fixed that for everyone else who has read your posts over the past three months.

    I hope it helps but I doubt it.
    Again, this is a bit feeble. You have to explain why very very senior people in the American military/political elite are saying such incredible things.

    Here is another one. The former Secretary of the US Navy, and a highly respected officer with record-breaking tenure. James Mabius. Not obviously mad
    "
    It’s not a one off thing. Yeah it’s worth looking into,” declared Mabus. “I mean say it’s not aliens. Say it’s some other nation that is perfecting that technology or using some strange technology just off the U.S. coasts. Doubtful! But that is still something that would be good to know. Not just out of human curiosity, but also national security. It would be good to know if there’s something going on here. Plus, if something else is trying to contact us, it’s not like that would be a layup shot.”

    Given that the DoD’s public messaging has been chaotic, and the pending Congressional report on UAP, I asked Mabus if he felt like something truly unknown would be difficult for the Pentagon to talk about with the American people.“You know, the DoD doesn’t say very often, ‘we don’t know,” Mabus laughed. “That’s a pretty stunning revelation right there.” "


    https://thedebrief.org/devices-of-unknown-origin-part-iii-mr-secretary-we-dont-know/?utm_sq=grurqblogs
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,208
    Just seen a clip of Ledbetter being harangued in Batley and Spen. Vile stuff
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 38,080
    Do you think Matt Hancock should resign or remain in his role?

    ALL BRITS
    Resign 49% / Remain 25%

    CON VOTERS
    Resign 33% / Remain 44%

    LAB VOTERS
    Resign 73% / Remain 9%

    https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/survey-results/daily/2021/06/25/5e96b/1?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=daily_questions&utm_campaign=question_1 https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1408429823899361283/photo/1
  • Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905

    Kate Andrews destroying Hancock in the Speccie.

    They appear to have launched a Matt Hancock Evisceration Festival. Amongst the other pieces being performed, this:

    Nine times Matt Hancock told us to obey the rules

    February 9, 2021: Ten years in jail for Covid returnees
    February 1, 2021 ‘Don’t even think about stretching Covid rules’
    January 10, 2021: Matt Hancock claims flexing of rules 'could be fatal'
    September 24, 2020: Hancock warns people to 'be sensible' when having sex during lockdown
    September 7, 2020: 'Young people' flouting social distancing could cause rise in cases
    July 5 2020: Threatens to shut down non-compliant businesses
    June 25, 2020: Threatens to close the beaches
    May 6, 2020: Hancock claims Neil Ferguson 'right' to resign
    April 5, 2020: Hancock threatens to ban outdoor exercise

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/nine-times-matt-hancock-told-us-to-obey-the-rules

    Each instance is accompanied by a helpful explanation of the Hancockian hypocrisy involved.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,503
    Foxy said:

    Syringing is horrible. Get the wax cleared out by microsuction if you can. Quite a few high St places do so.
    My GP did it a couple of years ago (well the practice nurse did), so I'm not sure about the comment that it is not available on the NHS.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,775

    I think most people are just astonished that Hancock is getting so much sex.

    He looks like a clapped out, pipsqueak circus pony.

    So, it just takes a while to adjust mentally to the idea of Hancock, the Mighty Stallion.
    Serious point - the photo shows a kiss only. Plenty of 'frisson' relationships don't go beyond that.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    maaarsh said:

    and yet they have the lowest cases now.

    https://twitter.com/UKCovid19Stats/status/1408417956330082304

    Meanwhile this qualifies as an excellent day's number for Nicola after near as dammit hitting 3k for the last 2 days.
    Possible lab delay
  • eekeek Posts: 29,719
    Leon said:

    We are friends, let's face it. We're a bunch of old gits, gathering every day in a rickety pub to exchange village gossip and well-known opinions. We have in-jokes and backstory, we have feuds and alliances, we are a weird community of characters. Virtual, but real

    If a PB-er gets ill I feel it

    I was genuinely sad to hear about Plato, yet I never met her
    Hmm, Plato left this forum well before Leon joined.

    Could it be that Leon previously posted here under a different (far more identifiable) alias? Although I don't think case of the reappearing poster is a sufficiently interesting story to be the basis of an international best selling novel.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 31,234
    Pro_Rata said:

    Now, if the boss has broken social distancing rules in the same manner as Hancock - not inconceivable - then sacking Hancock would be a problematic route to him..
    In that case, best for Johnson to er on the side of caution and keep Hancock in post.

    No news seems particularly disadvantageous for this government, so if Boris is minded to keep him in post, he will.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,660
    "Hancock's half hour? He could barely last three minutes!"
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,503
    isam said:

    Yes for breaking social distancing rules. I don’t think people should be sacked for alleged infidelity whether their boss has done it or not
    Indeed. He broke the rules that every other frigging night he was imploring us to obey to save lives.

    Throw him out. Now.

    Or face a weekend of terrible headlines. I hope the tabloids throw the bus at him now.

    Hopefully the anger amongst grassroots members will filter up via the whips in the next day or so.
  • Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 14,785
    malcolmg said:

    There cannot be any woman crazy enough on the planet to want to have any relationship with Gove. I cannot believe that.
    How about Salmond?
  • eekeek Posts: 29,719
    Leon said:

    Again, this is a bit feeble. You have to explain why very very senior people in the American military/political elite are saying such incredible things.

    Here is another one. The former Secretary of the US Navy, and a highly respected officer with record-breaking tenure. James Mabius. Not obviously mad
    "
    It’s not a one off thing. Yeah it’s worth looking into,” declared Mabus. “I mean say it’s not aliens. Say it’s some other nation that is perfecting that technology or using some strange technology just off the U.S. coasts. Doubtful! But that is still something that would be good to know. Not just out of human curiosity, but also national security. It would be good to know if there’s something going on here. Plus, if something else is trying to contact us, it’s not like that would be a layup shot.”

    Given that the DoD’s public messaging has been chaotic, and the pending Congressional report on UAP, I asked Mabus if he felt like something truly unknown would be difficult for the Pentagon to talk about with the American people.“You know, the DoD doesn’t say very often, ‘we don’t know,” Mabus laughed. “That’s a pretty stunning revelation right there.” "


    https://thedebrief.org/devices-of-unknown-origin-part-iii-mr-secretary-we-dont-know/?utm_sq=grurqblogs
    Oh I know all that - that post was there to tease (as was my previous one).
  • contrariancontrarian Posts: 5,818
    kinabalu said:

    Serious point - the photo shows a kiss only. Plenty of 'frisson' relationships don't go beyond that.
    Nah mate its just that you have trouble getting past first base.....
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,208
    Scotland is actually over it's winter peak for known cases now.
  • StockyStocky Posts: 10,276

    They appear to have launched a Matt Hancock Evisceration Festival. Amongst the other pieces being performed, this:

    Nine times Matt Hancock told us to obey the rules

    February 9, 2021: Ten years in jail for Covid returnees
    February 1, 2021 ‘Don’t even think about stretching Covid rules’
    January 10, 2021: Matt Hancock claims flexing of rules 'could be fatal'
    September 24, 2020: Hancock warns people to 'be sensible' when having sex during lockdown
    September 7, 2020: 'Young people' flouting social distancing could cause rise in cases
    July 5 2020: Threatens to shut down non-compliant businesses
    June 25, 2020: Threatens to close the beaches
    May 6, 2020: Hancock claims Neil Ferguson 'right' to resign
    April 5, 2020: Hancock threatens to ban outdoor exercise

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/nine-times-matt-hancock-told-us-to-obey-the-rules

    Each instance is accompanied by a helpful explanation of the Hancockian hypocrisy involved.
    He's bang to rights with the last one. This was definitely outdoor exercise.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,537

    Kate Andrews in the Speccie contends that Hancock has been one of the most aggressive of all cabinet ministers, pushing for laws instead of guidance etc. at every turn.

    The matter is closed? what are number 10 on!!!
    Buying time - they dont have worry about flailing about, and can prepare a strategy.

    Kicked to another role now looks unlikely, so I'm still with that he'll 'choose' to step aside for some personal time after a year of demanding work, once restrictions end.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,353
    On topic, the value is surely DeSantis here: successful Governor in swing state, who navigated Covid well, and who is both Trumpy, but isn't actual Trump.

    The interesting question here is what happens if Trump decides to run. If he does, one can assume that those who would seek his blessing in the future (Hayley, DeSantis for example) will not wish to stand against him.

  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,454
    edited June 2021
    Russia reports 20,393 new coronavirus cases, the biggest one-day increase since January, and 601 new deaths

    These unvaccinated nations (or ones using vaccines with poor efficacy) are going to get absolutely hammered again.
  • StockyStocky Posts: 10,276
    Where the heck is @BluestBlue ?
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    rcs1000 said:

    On topic, the value is surely DeSantis here: successful Governor in swing state, who navigated Covid well, and who is both Trumpy, but isn't actual Trump.

    The interesting question here is what happens if Trump decides to run. If he does, one can assume that those who would seek his blessing in the future (Hayley, DeSantis for example) will not wish to stand against him.

    In a land without Trump DeSantis would now my current pick.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    Pulpstar said:

    Scotland is actually over it's winter peak for known cases now.

    "Soaring" over the peak.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,208
    Alistair said:

    "Soaring" over the peak.
    What do you think has caused the Edinburgh spike ?
  • BigRichBigRich Posts: 3,492
    Pulpstar said:

    Just seen a clip of Ledbetter being harangued in Batley and Spen. Vile stuff

    Do you mind me asking, by whom, and for what?

    Was it activists form a different party?
  • moonshinemoonshine Posts: 5,814
    kle4 said:

    Buying time - they dont have worry about flailing about, and can prepare a strategy.

    Kicked to another role now looks unlikely, so I'm still with that he'll 'choose' to step aside for some personal time after a year of demanding work, once restrictions end.
    Letting him linger until after 17th July doesn’t suck the poison from the wound for the boss though. It makes him look a weakling.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,537
    Alistair said:

    In a land without Trump.
    Snipped, as that's the dream right there.
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 3,924
    Just a random one apropos of nothing - took a train trip to the Ayrshire coast today. Bearing in mind my home station is a small one but a relative handful of stops from Glasgow Central and therefore a big commuter line, ticket office guy was very downbeat in telling me that last year takings were 10% of pre-pandemic levels and still at the moment only running at about 20-30% of pre-pandemic levels.

    In a way absolutely not surprising, but it was a stark reminder that the railways continue to be as stuffed as a lot of the other industries in this post-lockdown-but-pre-freedom limbo we are in at the moment.
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207

    How about Salmond?
    Salmond and Gove are having a fling??? :smiley:
  • Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 14,785
    Stocky said:

    Where the heck is @BluestBlue ?

    I often wondered if his real name was Matt Hancock
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,353
    Leon said:

    Both quite touristy, both beautiful in parts. Both have great beaches, good food, nice wine

    Majorca has a lot more tacky resorts and general tat, but as it is so much bigger, it also has way more choice

    Generally I'd go for Menorca, it has a lovely little city, Ciutadella, and some exquisite natural areas (much less spoiled than Majorca). But watch the weather - Menorca can be quite windswept even in summer (yachties like it for that reason)

    Avoid Ibiza, unless you want clubs and glam. It's rather ugly
    I used to stay on Formantera, which allowed you to go clubbing in Ibiza, and then hang out on a pretty, quiet, chill island.

    Not that I actually did go clubbing in Ibiza. But I could have done if it's wanted to.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,775

    What non-political people don't like is politicians taking the piss. That's the issue here for Hancock - and for Johnson now he has backed Hancock.
    In which case how do we explain the appeal of Boris Johnson, for whom 'taking the piss' is life's very purpose?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,208
    BigRich said:

    Do you mind me asking, by whom, and for what?

    Was it activists form a different party?
    https://twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/status/1408431105485705217
  • maaarshmaaarsh Posts: 3,592
    BigRich said:

    Do you mind me asking, by whom, and for what?

    Was it activists form a different party?
    I'm assuming it's from voters Labour would consider 'theirs' and fits in to the pattern of ignoring homophobia or anti-semitism if its electorally damaging to challenge it that they've gone for.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 16,405
    kinabalu said:

    In which case how do we explain the appeal of Boris Johnson, for whom 'taking the piss' is life's very purpose?
    A lot of people don't realise they are the target of his piss-taking, yet.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,503
    Letter fired off to my MP.

    I am f*cking furious. :rage::rage:
  • YBarddCwscYBarddCwsc Posts: 7,172
    kinabalu said:

    Serious point - the photo shows a kiss only. Plenty of 'frisson' relationships don't go beyond that.
    A passionate kiss.

    It is always very heart-warming to know that the ugly or stupid or flawed or damaged are still passionately loved.

    And, who would have thought Hancock is such a fox ?
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