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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,292
    About 90% of new coronavirus cases in Israel are caused by the Delta variant - WSJ

    The refuseniks are in for a shock.
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    FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195
    Leon said:

    Floater said:

    Leon said:

    "BREAKING: in unclassified documents released to Congress today, by the DoD, Pentagon officials admit the UAP (Unidentified Aerial Phenomena) are not American technology, and show advanced characteristics indicating non-human origin"


    GET IN

    https://twitter.com/CNN/status/1406340307613016072?s=20

    Err what?
    OFFICIAL: IT'S ALIENS

    Fffffffffffuck
    LOL - look at the link you posted
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,068
    isam said:

    Leon said:

    maaarsh said:

    BigRich said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Just seen a clip of Ledbetter being harangued in Batley and Spen. Vile stuff

    Do you mind me asking, by whom, and for what?

    Was it activists form a different party?
    I'm assuming it's from voters Labour would consider 'theirs' and fits in to the pattern of ignoring homophobia or anti-semitism if its electorally damaging to challenge it that they've gone for.
    Labour really are completely fucked. Either they try and keep the conservative Muslim vote on board (but how? How do they square this with Wokeness??) or they abandon them and lose several million voters in one go
    When the woke types feel comfortable calling out Islamic misogyny and homophobia, we might be approaching assimilation. Letting them off because of their religion, or that they’re their enemies enemy proves multiculturalism isn’t working.
    I would have thought it will happen the other way around: you know, lack of support for transgender rights might wake a few woke people up.
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    isamisam Posts: 41,002

    ‘Strong Britain, Great Na-a-a-tion’

    “…our historic lack of flag-waving reflects the confidence that comes from having an ancient political history, the kingdom of England being almost 1100 years old; it comes from being a country which until the mid-20th century had little racial diversity and no memory of foreign rule. A country like that didn’t need its schoolchildren to sing about the dream of unity; it went without saying.

    Multicultural countries in contrast need to shout about what they have in common, which is why the United States made such an effort to enforce a secular national faith, making children salute the flag and forcing poor southern European immigrants to deny the obvious superiority of football and instead pretend to enjoy America’s incomprehensibly boring national sports. Multicultural Britain needs to do something similar, rather than relying on ancient cynicism and irony.”

    https://unherd.com/2021/06/the-emptiness-of-british-values/
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    moonshinemoonshine Posts: 5,245
    Leon said:

    Floater said:

    Leon said:

    "BREAKING: in unclassified documents released to Congress today, by the DoD, Pentagon officials admit the UAP (Unidentified Aerial Phenomena) are not American technology, and show advanced characteristics indicating non-human origin"


    GET IN

    https://twitter.com/CNN/status/1406340307613016072?s=20

    Err what?
    OFFICIAL: IT'S ALIENS

    Fffffffffffuck
    Your link doesn’t work
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    northern_monkeynorthern_monkey Posts: 1,533
    The country is facing a summer of food shortages likened to a series of “rolling power cuts” because of a loss of 100,000 lorry drivers due to Covid and Brexit, industry chiefs have warned.

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/jun/25/uk-facing-summer-of-food-shortages-due-to-lack-of-lorry-drivers

    Just need to pay ‘em more, innit. Piece of piss.
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,823
    Scott_xP said:

    EXCLUSIVE: The brother of Gina Coladangelo, the Whitehall director whose alleged affair with health secretary Matt Hancock has prompted calls for him to quit, is a director of PHL Group, a private healthcare provider which has won several NHS contracts. https://news.sky.com/story/matt-hancock-affair-aide-gina-coladangelos-relative-has-top-job-at-company-with-nhs-contracts-12341789

    So the brother of a Non-Executive director at the DoH has been given NHS contracts.

    It's like something from the bad old days in Africa.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,068

    The country is facing a summer of food shortages likened to a series of “rolling power cuts” because of a loss of 100,000 lorry drivers due to Covid and Brexit, industry chiefs have warned.

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/jun/25/uk-facing-summer-of-food-shortages-due-to-lack-of-lorry-drivers

    Just need to pay ‘em more, innit. Piece of piss.

    For the record, the UK is not going to be facing a summer of food shortages.

    You heard it here first.

    It might face a summer of slightly higher prices for food, of course.
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    JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,016
    Leon said:

    Floater said:

    Leon said:

    "BREAKING: in unclassified documents released to Congress today, by the DoD, Pentagon officials admit the UAP (Unidentified Aerial Phenomena) are not American technology, and show advanced characteristics indicating non-human origin"


    GET IN

    https://twitter.com/CNN/status/1406340307613016072?s=20

    Err what?
    OFFICIAL: IT'S ALIENS

    Fffffffffffuck
    The link is to a tweet about a statue of George Floyd
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,068
    moonshine said:

    Leon said:

    Floater said:

    Leon said:

    "BREAKING: in unclassified documents released to Congress today, by the DoD, Pentagon officials admit the UAP (Unidentified Aerial Phenomena) are not American technology, and show advanced characteristics indicating non-human origin"


    GET IN

    https://twitter.com/CNN/status/1406340307613016072?s=20

    Err what?
    OFFICIAL: IT'S ALIENS

    Fffffffffffuck
    Your link doesn’t work
    It's a George Floyd statue.

    Not a very good one, which I think is the joke.
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    OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 15,166
    eek said:

    A complete offtopic anecdote but I will post here for reference

    The 2 child limit for Working Tax Credits came into being in April 2017. Checking 2 different schools it seems reception admissions for September 2021 are 15% lower than September 2020...

    Am interesting example of the lack of joined up thinking in politics is that the same people who complain about immigration are often the same people who won't do anything to maintain the birth rate.
    I've got three kids anyway, so I've done my bit.
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    LeonLeon Posts: 47,517
    *drinks entire crate of weapons-grade vodka*
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    MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 44,582
    rcs1000 said:

    isam said:

    Leon said:

    maaarsh said:

    BigRich said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Just seen a clip of Ledbetter being harangued in Batley and Spen. Vile stuff

    Do you mind me asking, by whom, and for what?

    Was it activists form a different party?
    I'm assuming it's from voters Labour would consider 'theirs' and fits in to the pattern of ignoring homophobia or anti-semitism if its electorally damaging to challenge it that they've gone for.
    Labour really are completely fucked. Either they try and keep the conservative Muslim vote on board (but how? How do they square this with Wokeness??) or they abandon them and lose several million voters in one go
    When the woke types feel comfortable calling out Islamic misogyny and homophobia, we might be approaching assimilation. Letting them off because of their religion, or that they’re their enemies enemy proves multiculturalism isn’t working.
    I would have thought it will happen the other way around: you know, lack of support for transgender rights might wake a few woke people up.
    No. Remember the Identity Matrix. Transgender people need to move to the back of the bus.
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    FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195
    Leon said:

    *drinks entire crate of weapons-grade vodka*

    Seems like you made a good head start :smiley:

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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,292
    edited June 2021
    rcs1000 said:

    The country is facing a summer of food shortages likened to a series of “rolling power cuts” because of a loss of 100,000 lorry drivers due to Covid and Brexit, industry chiefs have warned.

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/jun/25/uk-facing-summer-of-food-shortages-due-to-lack-of-lorry-drivers

    Just need to pay ‘em more, innit. Piece of piss.

    For the record, the UK is not going to be facing a summer of food shortages.

    You heard it here first.

    It might face a summer of slightly higher prices for food, of course.
    Its the usual "STRAWBERRY SHORTAGES" summer story we have had for the past 10 years. Last year we were going to run out of food as well because of COVID, Brexit, etc....and the government of course just offered short term visas for workers, and a load of Romanians came again because they can earn more in 3 months, than a year working in Romania.
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    Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 7,584
    edited June 2021
    isam said:

    Leon said:

    maaarsh said:

    BigRich said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Just seen a clip of Ledbetter being harangued in Batley and Spen. Vile stuff

    Do you mind me asking, by whom, and for what?

    Was it activists form a different party?
    I'm assuming it's from voters Labour would consider 'theirs' and fits in to the pattern of ignoring homophobia or anti-semitism if its electorally damaging to challenge it that they've gone for.
    Labour really are completely fucked. Either they try and keep the conservative Muslim vote on board (but how? How do they square this with Wokeness??) or they abandon them and lose several million voters in one go
    When the woke types feel comfortable calling out Islamic misogyny and homophobia, we might be approaching assimilation. Letting them off because of their religion, or that they’re their enemies enemy proves multiculturalism isn’t working.
    I'm happy to call out misogyny and homophobia whether it's Islamic, Hungarian, American, English, or from any other source.
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    moonshinemoonshine Posts: 5,245
    Floater said:

    Leon said:

    *drinks entire crate of weapons-grade vodka*

    Seems like you made a good head start :smiley:

    I’ve just read Leon’s fake cnn tweet out to my wife and she’s walked off before I could tell her it was a joker online making it up
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,068
    Foxy said:

    MrEd said:

    MrEd said:

    .

    Pulpstar said:

    BigRich said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Just seen a clip of Ledbetter being harangued in Batley and Spen. Vile stuff

    Do you mind me asking, by whom, and for what?

    Was it activists form a different party?
    https://twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/status/1408431105485705217
    Galloway saw the Batley Grammar School cartoon issue, which appeared to be slowly calming down, fanned the flames and stood back in anticipation of the fireworks. A truly vile animal.
    I wonder if the Hancock story could see Labour sqweak home?

    Under any other leader yes under SKS who knows?
    Might cause a few Tory voters to sit this one out in silent protest at being told not to see their loved ones for months by Hancock.
    If anything, the Hancock row makes me tempted to put a few quid on Galloway.

    Plague on all your houses could come through the middle on this one.
    Plus also differentiated turnout. This feels to me like a low turnout by election - I don’t get the impression the Tories have sizzled either. If Galloway does whip up enthusiasm in the Muslim community and gets their votes (plus a few WWC), he is in. See Peterborough 2019 by-election.
    I understand that even if GG were to sweep the "Muslim vote" then that is only 20%, albeit mostly from the Labour pool.

    He won't sweep up the vote, nor pick up significant numbers of white voters. There may be selective turnout, but I think the best he will do is to come second and third or lower more likely. I see it as Con gain by narrow majority, smaller than the GG vote.
    I think that's a reasonable estimate:

    Con 45, Lab 35, GG 15

    Would be my guess. And I may be a little high with the GG forecast.
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    AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    Pulpstar said:

    Alistair said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Scotland is actually over it's winter peak for known cases now.

    "Soaring" over the peak.
    What do you think has caused the Edinburgh spike ?
    Same as the result of Scotland, the football.

    Pubs were absolutely rammed.

    Case mix is now 66/33 male/female
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    LeonLeon Posts: 47,517
    rcs1000 said:

    moonshine said:

    Leon said:

    Floater said:

    Leon said:

    "BREAKING: in unclassified documents released to Congress today, by the DoD, Pentagon officials admit the UAP (Unidentified Aerial Phenomena) are not American technology, and show advanced characteristics indicating non-human origin"


    GET IN

    https://twitter.com/CNN/status/1406340307613016072?s=20

    Err what?
    OFFICIAL: IT'S ALIENS

    Fffffffffffuck
    Your link doesn’t work
    It's a George Floyd statue.

    Not a very good one, which I think is the joke.
    No, I just wanted to see if I could give anyone on PB a heart attack

    Soz!

    That would be the biggest breaking news story OF ALL TIME

    We should find out in the next few hours, I very much doubt it will be THAT exciting
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    dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 28,013

    isam said:

    kinabalu said:

    isam said:

    Leon said:

    maaarsh said:

    BigRich said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Just seen a clip of Ledbetter being harangued in Batley and Spen. Vile stuff

    Do you mind me asking, by whom, and for what?

    Was it activists form a different party?
    I'm assuming it's from voters Labour would consider 'theirs' and fits in to the pattern of ignoring homophobia or anti-semitism if its electorally damaging to challenge it that they've gone for.
    Labour really are completely fucked. Either they try and keep the conservative Muslim vote on board (but how? How do they square this with Wokeness??) or they abandon them and lose several million voters in one go
    When the woke types feel comfortable calling out Islamic misogyny and homophobia, we might be approaching assimilation. Letting them off because of their religion, or that they’re their enemies enemy proves multiculturalism isn’t working.
    Conservative Islam is backward and reprehensible in its attitude to women and homosexuality.

    That was easy, wasn't it.
    I dont know, it was you who did it

    The fact you had to add ‘Conservative’ makes me feel like it wouldn’t be easy to say it without caveats
    Isn't that because Islam comes in many flavours? I know plenty of Muslims who have totally progressive views on things like homosexuality and women's rights. Just like Christians, Jews, Hindus and Athiests also hold a range of views. Are the percentages of fundamentalists/moderates the same across all religious groups in the UK? Probably not. But criticising Islam as a whole isn't really helpful.
    Here is an eye opening article about Iran's attitude to transgender people.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/qz.com/889548/everyone-treated-me-like-a-saint-in-iran-theres-only-one-way-to-survive-as-a-transgender-person/amp/
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    kinabalukinabalu Posts: 39,333
    edited June 2021

    eek said:

    A complete offtopic anecdote but I will post here for reference

    The 2 child limit for Working Tax Credits came into being in April 2017. Checking 2 different schools it seems reception admissions for September 2021 are 15% lower than September 2020...

    Am interesting example of the lack of joined up thinking in politics is that the same people who complain about immigration are often the same people who won't do anything to maintain the birth rate.
    I've got three kids anyway, so I've done my bit.
    Perhaps xenophobia saps the libido. It makes a weird sort of sense if you think about it.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,068
    Leon said:

    "BREAKING: in unclassified documents released to Congress today, by the DoD, Pentagon officials admit the UAP (Unidentified Aerial Phenomena) are not American technology, and show advanced characteristics indicating non-human origin"


    GET IN

    https://twitter.com/CNN/status/1406340307613016072?s=20

    Your link a George Floyd statue story.

    You know that, right?
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    LeonLeon Posts: 47,517
    moonshine said:

    Floater said:

    Leon said:

    *drinks entire crate of weapons-grade vodka*

    Seems like you made a good head start :smiley:

    I’ve just read Leon’s fake cnn tweet out to my wife and she’s walked off before I could tell her it was a joker online making it up
    Imagine if CNN DO say something like that in the next hour or two. How would people react?!
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    moonshinemoonshine Posts: 5,245
    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    "BREAKING: in unclassified documents released to Congress today, by the DoD, Pentagon officials admit the UAP (Unidentified Aerial Phenomena) are not American technology, and show advanced characteristics indicating non-human origin"


    GET IN

    https://twitter.com/CNN/status/1406340307613016072?s=20

    Your link a George Floyd statue story.

    You know that, right?
    I am not a wokey snowflake but I think it classifies a racist joke does it not?
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,583
    edited June 2021
    Another bit of evidence Leon hasn't shared about aliens.



    Edit - Isn't space aliens a horrendous tautology ?
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,823
    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    "BREAKING: in unclassified documents released to Congress today, by the DoD, Pentagon officials admit the UAP (Unidentified Aerial Phenomena) are not American technology, and show advanced characteristics indicating non-human origin"


    GET IN

    https://twitter.com/CNN/status/1406340307613016072?s=20

    Your link a George Floyd statue story.

    You know that, right?
    Are you suggesting that Floyd was an alien, or the police?
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    moonshinemoonshine Posts: 5,245
    Leon said:

    moonshine said:

    Floater said:

    Leon said:

    *drinks entire crate of weapons-grade vodka*

    Seems like you made a good head start :smiley:

    I’ve just read Leon’s fake cnn tweet out to my wife and she’s walked off before I could tell her it was a joker online making it up
    Imagine if CNN DO say something like that in the next hour or two. How would people react?!
    Well I can tell you because my wife doesn’t know it was you making it up. She thought it was a tweet from cnn. She said “oh I figured as much. Anyway I have to go and check on the casserole”.
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    Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,820
    Foxy said:

    Scott_xP said:

    EXCLUSIVE: The brother of Gina Coladangelo, the Whitehall director whose alleged affair with health secretary Matt Hancock has prompted calls for him to quit, is a director of PHL Group, a private healthcare provider which has won several NHS contracts. https://news.sky.com/story/matt-hancock-affair-aide-gina-coladangelos-relative-has-top-job-at-company-with-nhs-contracts-12341789

    So the brother of a Non-Executive director at the DoH has been given NHS contracts.

    It's like something from the bad old days in Africa.
    If you'd actually bothered to read the article, you'd have found (admittedly towards the end, as is common with these hatchet-jobs trying to stay just within the libel laws) that it really, really isn't anything corrupt, or indeed anything to do with Matt Hancock at all:

    A person close to the situation said that PHL had been providing services to the NHS since it was established 11 years ago, and that contracts awarded by the NHS followed the relevant procurement rules.
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    BigRichBigRich Posts: 3,489

    If the comments of PB Tories, PB Tory sympathisers and ex-Tories, and PB centrists are anything to go by, it looks to me like Hancock will struggle to stay in post, despite the PM attempting to shrug it off.

    Although we're a weird lot, I don't think PBers are so out of tune that we don't reflect the mood of the public (or Tory MPs) on occasions like this.

    For once, the handful of us on the left are quite enjoying this. Such pleasure has been very rare recently.

    I'm glad you are enjoying this, at least somebody should.

    Hancoks problem at the moment is that lots of people dislike him for divernt reasons

    Some, Ex Tory like me, hate him for the lockdown, and recently its extension
    Some, hate him for not locking down sooner/harder
    Some, Tory Loyalists, who may have once defended Dominic Cummings, hate him for being in DCs words incompetent
    Some, non political types, may not of had an opinion, but dislike adultery.
    Some, may just be joules that he got his leg over.

    But all can agree that braking social distasting 'rules' was not good, not by the SoS for Health. therefor even though most of us have been within 2 meters of somebody.



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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,292
    Leon said:

    moonshine said:

    Floater said:

    Leon said:

    *drinks entire crate of weapons-grade vodka*

    Seems like you made a good head start :smiley:

    I’ve just read Leon’s fake cnn tweet out to my wife and she’s walked off before I could tell her it was a joker online making it up
    Imagine if CNN DO say something like that in the next hour or two. How would people react?!
    UK media...what little green men, not interested....back to Handy Cock story.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,292
    Back into lockdown in Australia....

    NSW introduces additional restrictions as the state records 22 new COVID-19 cases and eastern suburbs cluster grows to 65
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    LeonLeon Posts: 47,517
    moonshine said:

    Leon said:

    moonshine said:

    Floater said:

    Leon said:

    *drinks entire crate of weapons-grade vodka*

    Seems like you made a good head start :smiley:

    I’ve just read Leon’s fake cnn tweet out to my wife and she’s walked off before I could tell her it was a joker online making it up
    Imagine if CNN DO say something like that in the next hour or two. How would people react?!
    Well I can tell you because my wife doesn’t know it was you making it up. She thought it was a tweet from cnn. She said “oh I figured as much. Anyway I have to go and check on the casserole”.
    Yes, it's fascinating. I bet many people - most? - would react exactly like that. A puzzled frown, then a shrug, back to the football

    JUST THE BIGGEST BREAKING NEWS STORY IN THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD

    Maybe some news stories are just TOO big to be taken in?
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    Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    kinabalu said:

    isam said:

    Leon said:

    maaarsh said:

    BigRich said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Just seen a clip of Ledbetter being harangued in Batley and Spen. Vile stuff

    Do you mind me asking, by whom, and for what?

    Was it activists form a different party?
    I'm assuming it's from voters Labour would consider 'theirs' and fits in to the pattern of ignoring homophobia or anti-semitism if its electorally damaging to challenge it that they've gone for.
    Labour really are completely fucked. Either they try and keep the conservative Muslim vote on board (but how? How do they square this with Wokeness??) or they abandon them and lose several million voters in one go
    When the woke types feel comfortable calling out Islamic misogyny and homophobia, we might be approaching assimilation. Letting them off because of their religion, or that they’re their enemies enemy proves multiculturalism isn’t working.
    Conservative Islam is backward and reprehensible in its attitude to women and homosexuality.

    That was easy, wasn't it.
    Let's hear Starmer et al say that!
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    CookieCookie Posts: 11,505
    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    maaarsh said:

    BigRich said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Just seen a clip of Ledbetter being harangued in Batley and Spen. Vile stuff

    Do you mind me asking, by whom, and for what?

    Was it activists form a different party?
    I'm assuming it's from voters Labour would consider 'theirs' and fits in to the pattern of ignoring homophobia or anti-semitism if its electorally damaging to challenge it that they've gone for.
    Labour really are completely fucked. Either they try and keep the conservative Muslim vote on board (but how? How do they square this with Wokeness??) or they abandon them and lose several million voters in one go
    Well yes: the problem with identity politics (as feminists and transrights activists are also demonstrating) is that the identities get ever smaller, and the tyranny of small differences takes over.

    It's why you shouldn't worry.
    Out with a friend today. His stepdaughter - 17, newly out as gay, and a long way down the woke rabbithole - recently called her mother (old school lefty) a Terf at the dinner table.

    Lefty mother tremendously unimpressed.

    Friend confirms the left is indeed in civil war, in his house at least.
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    moonshinemoonshine Posts: 5,245
    Leon said:

    moonshine said:

    Leon said:

    moonshine said:

    Floater said:

    Leon said:

    *drinks entire crate of weapons-grade vodka*

    Seems like you made a good head start :smiley:

    I’ve just read Leon’s fake cnn tweet out to my wife and she’s walked off before I could tell her it was a joker online making it up
    Imagine if CNN DO say something like that in the next hour or two. How would people react?!
    Well I can tell you because my wife doesn’t know it was you making it up. She thought it was a tweet from cnn. She said “oh I figured as much. Anyway I have to go and check on the casserole”.
    Yes, it's fascinating. I bet many people - most? - would react exactly like that. A puzzled frown, then a shrug, back to the football

    JUST THE BIGGEST BREAKING NEWS STORY IN THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD

    Maybe some news stories are just TOO big to be taken in?
    She has been up to speed with the story for a long time but prefers not to dwell on it.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,048


    Edit - Isn't space aliens a horrendous tautology ?

    It may not be de rigeur anymore, but there's probably still places which refer to foreigners as aliens
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    moonshinemoonshine Posts: 5,245
    kle4 said:


    Edit - Isn't space aliens a horrendous tautology ?

    It may not be de rigeur anymore, but there's probably still places which refer to foreigners as aliens
    What if they weren’t from space but from the deep blue or the mantle?
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    dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 28,013
    BigRich said:

    If the comments of PB Tories, PB Tory sympathisers and ex-Tories, and PB centrists are anything to go by, it looks to me like Hancock will struggle to stay in post, despite the PM attempting to shrug it off.

    Although we're a weird lot, I don't think PBers are so out of tune that we don't reflect the mood of the public (or Tory MPs) on occasions like this.

    For once, the handful of us on the left are quite enjoying this. Such pleasure has been very rare recently.

    I'm glad you are enjoying this, at least somebody should.

    Hancoks problem at the moment is that lots of people dislike him for divernt reasons

    Some, Ex Tory like me, hate him for the lockdown, and recently its extension
    Some, hate him for not locking down sooner/harder
    Some, Tory Loyalists, who may have once defended Dominic Cummings, hate him for being in DCs words incompetent
    Some, non political types, may not of had an opinion, but dislike adultery.
    Some, may just be joules that he got his leg over.

    But all can agree that braking social distasting 'rules' was not good, not by the SoS for Health. therefor even though most of us have been within 2 meters of somebody.



    Then there'll be his wife and kids too.
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    Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,820
    kle4 said:


    Edit - Isn't space aliens a horrendous tautology ?

    It may not be de rigeur anymore, but there's probably still places which refer to foreigners as aliens
    The US certainly does.
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    rpjsrpjs Posts: 3,787
    edited June 2021

    Another bit of evidence Leon hasn't shared about aliens.

    Edit - Isn't space aliens a horrendous tautology ?

    No. In law an alien is a non-citizen present in another country. That's still current in the US at least, it may no long be in England and Wales etc.
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    eekeek Posts: 25,020
    rcs1000 said:

    The country is facing a summer of food shortages likened to a series of “rolling power cuts” because of a loss of 100,000 lorry drivers due to Covid and Brexit, industry chiefs have warned.

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/jun/25/uk-facing-summer-of-food-shortages-due-to-lack-of-lorry-drivers

    Just need to pay ‘em more, innit. Piece of piss.

    For the record, the UK is not going to be facing a summer of food shortages.

    You heard it here first.

    It might face a summer of slightly higher prices for food, of course.
    A note that the one thing that isn't mentioned in the article is the IR35 issues I highlighted this morning.

    Remember none of this was an issue before mid to late April this year..
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    Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 26,996
    Does anyone know whether we might get another constituency poll from Batley and Spen?
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    LeonLeon Posts: 47,517
    moonshine said:

    Leon said:

    moonshine said:

    Leon said:

    moonshine said:

    Floater said:

    Leon said:

    *drinks entire crate of weapons-grade vodka*

    Seems like you made a good head start :smiley:

    I’ve just read Leon’s fake cnn tweet out to my wife and she’s walked off before I could tell her it was a joker online making it up
    Imagine if CNN DO say something like that in the next hour or two. How would people react?!
    Well I can tell you because my wife doesn’t know it was you making it up. She thought it was a tweet from cnn. She said “oh I figured as much. Anyway I have to go and check on the casserole”.
    Yes, it's fascinating. I bet many people - most? - would react exactly like that. A puzzled frown, then a shrug, back to the football

    JUST THE BIGGEST BREAKING NEWS STORY IN THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD

    Maybe some news stories are just TOO big to be taken in?
    She has been up to speed with the story for a long time but prefers not to dwell on it.
    I reckon Elizondo is right. If this disclosure ever occurs (an almighty IF, of course), it will be a truly Sombre Thing

    Those that don't ignore it will be sobered, or frightened. Panicked?

    I have no idea if the US Military (or anyone else) does have this knowledge, but if they did, it would indeed be a tremendous responsibility: how do you release it? How do you prep homo sapiens for such a shocking revelation?
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    CookieCookie Posts: 11,505

    rcs1000 said:

    isam said:

    Leon said:

    maaarsh said:

    BigRich said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Just seen a clip of Ledbetter being harangued in Batley and Spen. Vile stuff

    Do you mind me asking, by whom, and for what?

    Was it activists form a different party?
    I'm assuming it's from voters Labour would consider 'theirs' and fits in to the pattern of ignoring homophobia or anti-semitism if its electorally damaging to challenge it that they've gone for.
    Labour really are completely fucked. Either they try and keep the conservative Muslim vote on board (but how? How do they square this with Wokeness??) or they abandon them and lose several million voters in one go
    When the woke types feel comfortable calling out Islamic misogyny and homophobia, we might be approaching assimilation. Letting them off because of their religion, or that they’re their enemies enemy proves multiculturalism isn’t working.
    I would have thought it will happen the other way around: you know, lack of support for transgender rights might wake a few woke people up.
    No. Remember the Identity Matrix. Transgender people need to move to the back of the bus.
    Do they? I thought transgender trumped everything else. I thought it was trans, then Muslim, then black, then other non-heterosexuals, then other non-white, then women. But my understanding is hazy and I may be out of date.
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    Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    Another bit of evidence Leon hasn't shared about aliens.



    Edit - Isn't space aliens a horrendous tautology ?

    Could be a Sting style alien.
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    dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 28,013
    kle4 said:


    Edit - Isn't space aliens a horrendous tautology ?

    It may not be de rigeur anymore, but there's probably still places which refer to foreigners as aliens
    I carried an Alien Residency Card for the best part of 7 years.
    The truth was always out there.
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    solarflaresolarflare Posts: 3,623
    I really could go a Toffee Crisp now, but I'm not sure if that means I'd be eating someone's wife. PLEASE ADVISE
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,068
    isam said:

    kinabalu said:

    isam said:

    Leon said:

    maaarsh said:

    BigRich said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Just seen a clip of Ledbetter being harangued in Batley and Spen. Vile stuff

    Do you mind me asking, by whom, and for what?

    Was it activists form a different party?
    I'm assuming it's from voters Labour would consider 'theirs' and fits in to the pattern of ignoring homophobia or anti-semitism if its electorally damaging to challenge it that they've gone for.
    Labour really are completely fucked. Either they try and keep the conservative Muslim vote on board (but how? How do they square this with Wokeness??) or they abandon them and lose several million voters in one go
    When the woke types feel comfortable calling out Islamic misogyny and homophobia, we might be approaching assimilation. Letting them off because of their religion, or that they’re their enemies enemy proves multiculturalism isn’t working.
    Conservative Islam is backward and reprehensible in its attitude to women and homosexuality.

    That was easy, wasn't it.
    I dont know, it was you who did it

    The fact you had to add ‘Conservative’ makes me feel like it wouldn’t be easy to say it without caveats
    You could say pretty similar things about conservative Christianity in some of the Southern states.

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    FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195

    I really could go a Toffee Crisp now, but I'm not sure if that means I'd be eating someone's wife. PLEASE ADVISE

    Must resist obvious reply ....
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,292
    edited June 2021
    kinabalu said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Matt Hancock 'affair': Aide Gina Coladangelo's relative has top job at company with NHS contracts - Sky News https://apple.news/AjjsG2PjRRmmCQB3GCly0mQ

    This government has a very corrupt feel to it.
    Except in this case, it doesn't seem to be the case. 11 years ago when this company was contracted by the NHS, Hancock was only just elected an MP and nowhere near the levers of power.

    Sky News gets worse by the day.
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    isamisam Posts: 41,002
    edited June 2021

    isam said:

    kinabalu said:

    isam said:

    Leon said:

    maaarsh said:

    BigRich said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Just seen a clip of Ledbetter being harangued in Batley and Spen. Vile stuff

    Do you mind me asking, by whom, and for what?

    Was it activists form a different party?
    I'm assuming it's from voters Labour would consider 'theirs' and fits in to the pattern of ignoring homophobia or anti-semitism if its electorally damaging to challenge it that they've gone for.
    Labour really are completely fucked. Either they try and keep the conservative Muslim vote on board (but how? How do they square this with Wokeness??) or they abandon them and lose several million voters in one go
    When the woke types feel comfortable calling out Islamic misogyny and homophobia, we might be approaching assimilation. Letting them off because of their religion, or that they’re their enemies enemy proves multiculturalism isn’t working.
    Conservative Islam is backward and reprehensible in its attitude to women and homosexuality.

    That was easy, wasn't it.
    I dont know, it was you who did it

    The fact you had to add ‘Conservative’ makes me feel like it wouldn’t be easy to say it without caveats
    Isn't that because Islam comes in many flavours? I know plenty of Muslims who have totally progressive views on things like homosexuality and women's rights. Just like Christians, Jews, Hindus and Athiests also hold a range of views. Are the percentages of fundamentalists/moderates the same across all religious groups in the UK? Probably not. But criticising Islam as a whole isn't really helpful.
    I thought over 50% of a group thinking something should be enough to not have to pretend we have to caveat, but maybe not. Could be wrong

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/apr/11/british-muslims-strong-sense-of-belonging-poll-homosexuality-sharia-law
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,823

    Foxy said:

    Scott_xP said:

    EXCLUSIVE: The brother of Gina Coladangelo, the Whitehall director whose alleged affair with health secretary Matt Hancock has prompted calls for him to quit, is a director of PHL Group, a private healthcare provider which has won several NHS contracts. https://news.sky.com/story/matt-hancock-affair-aide-gina-coladangelos-relative-has-top-job-at-company-with-nhs-contracts-12341789

    So the brother of a Non-Executive director at the DoH has been given NHS contracts.

    It's like something from the bad old days in Africa.
    If you'd actually bothered to read the article, you'd have found (admittedly towards the end, as is common with these hatchet-jobs trying to stay just within the libel laws) that it really, really isn't anything corrupt, or indeed anything to do with Matt Hancock at all:

    A person close to the situation said that PHL had been providing services to the NHS since it was established 11 years ago, and that contracts awarded by the NHS followed the relevant procurement rules.
    Interesting that a company specialising in contracting NHS GP services decided to appoint the brother of The Health Ministers mistress in October 2019 as Director of Strategy.

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    AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    Pulpstar said:

    Globally counted cases are starting to rise again ; ; looks like 359k/day will be the minimum as it was for the previous low.

    Scotland-England match has a lot to answer for.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,292
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,068
    Re George Galloway: it is worth remember that Batley & Spen is a lot less Muslim than either Bradford West or Bethnel Green & Bow.

    In Bradford West, the population is 51% Muslim, and he got 56%.
    In Bethnal Green & Bow, the population is 35% Muslim, and he got 36% of the vote.

    Even if we assume that he outperforms the 19% of the population that is Muslim, it's hard to see how Galloway could get more than 25-26%. And that's surely nowhere near enough, given the Conservatives should easily clear 35%.
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    dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 28,013
    Slightly on topic. Well, changing use of language anyways.
    Was watching West Wing Series 3 last night.
    Josh says to CJ "You have to come quickly, there's a couple of Indians in the lobby talking to the Press."
    Imagine my surprise when they weren't from Delhi, but were Native Americans.
    There were a couple of other uses of the term in the episode, which strongly jarred with me.
    This was a show about an ultra-liberal administration made only 20 years ago.
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    CookieCookie Posts: 11,505
    kinabalu said:

    eek said:

    A complete offtopic anecdote but I will post here for reference

    The 2 child limit for Working Tax Credits came into being in April 2017. Checking 2 different schools it seems reception admissions for September 2021 are 15% lower than September 2020...

    Am interesting example of the lack of joined up thinking in politics is that the same people who complain about immigration are often the same people who won't do anything to maintain the birth rate.
    I've got three kids anyway, so I've done my bit.
    Perhaps xenophobia saps the libido. It makes a weird sort of sense if you think about it.
    This fella reckons otherwise (sort of):
    https://unherd.com/2021/06/nationalists-make-better-lovers/

    (Cookie voted leave and has three daughters - though clearly that is only a comment on quantity, not quality)
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    MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 44,582
    Cookie said:

    rcs1000 said:

    isam said:

    Leon said:

    maaarsh said:

    BigRich said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Just seen a clip of Ledbetter being harangued in Batley and Spen. Vile stuff

    Do you mind me asking, by whom, and for what?

    Was it activists form a different party?
    I'm assuming it's from voters Labour would consider 'theirs' and fits in to the pattern of ignoring homophobia or anti-semitism if its electorally damaging to challenge it that they've gone for.
    Labour really are completely fucked. Either they try and keep the conservative Muslim vote on board (but how? How do they square this with Wokeness??) or they abandon them and lose several million voters in one go
    When the woke types feel comfortable calling out Islamic misogyny and homophobia, we might be approaching assimilation. Letting them off because of their religion, or that they’re their enemies enemy proves multiculturalism isn’t working.
    I would have thought it will happen the other way around: you know, lack of support for transgender rights might wake a few woke people up.
    No. Remember the Identity Matrix. Transgender people need to move to the back of the bus.
    Do they? I thought transgender trumped everything else. I thought it was trans, then Muslim, then black, then other non-heterosexuals, then other non-white, then women. But my understanding is hazy and I may be out of date.
    The matrix is completely self contradictory - as are all attempts to buttonhole people by groups.

    it is probably how the aliens do the multidimensional travel thing - they input a contradiction into the matrix, space time collapses into a point singularity.....
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    Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 60,369
    edited June 2021

    If the comments of PB Tories, PB Tory sympathisers and ex-Tories, and PB centrists are anything to go by, it looks to me like Hancock will struggle to stay in post, despite the PM attempting to shrug it off.

    Although we're a weird lot, I don't think PBers are so out of tune that we don't reflect the mood of the public (or Tory MPs) on occasions like this.

    For once, the handful of us on the left are quite enjoying this. Such pleasure has been very rare recently.

    I think they can blag it out between them.

    In some ways a potential infidelity by someone in government other than Johnson gives Johnson some cover. As for the breaching of social distancing rules, she was in his bubble...
    It does not make it right and this conservative believes Hancock should resign, as he is the person creating the rules and enforcing them

    I know it is Wales, but it is similar in England, but should my son and his partner not comply with social distancing rules at their wedding at the end of July, they face a £10,000, - Yes £10,000

    Sadly it just feeds into HMG critics that Boris and now Hancock think they are immune to any fallout by not doing the right thing and of course Cummings did prove that is not the case as he did hurt the government in public perception

    Joe Twyman, the head of Deltapoll, indicated that he did not think it would do much polling damage but that is not the point

    I have said for some time I am not a fan of Boris, and did not vote for him in the party's election, and I would be delighted if the conservative back benchers rallied to the cause and installed Rishi, Jeremy Hunt or Liz Truss into the Office

    I would just comment that I have twice voted labour under Blair but sadly labour are in such an incoherent mess it is not likely to be repeated again, and I have not voted lib dem before, notwithstanding that a lib dem local councillor was a very good family friend

    Until another party can provide a rational platform for government I will of continue to support my party but hope their mps can see that this sleaze is not the way forward

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    northern_monkeynorthern_monkey Posts: 1,533
    rcs1000 said:

    The country is facing a summer of food shortages likened to a series of “rolling power cuts” because of a loss of 100,000 lorry drivers due to Covid and Brexit, industry chiefs have warned.

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/jun/25/uk-facing-summer-of-food-shortages-due-to-lack-of-lorry-drivers

    Just need to pay ‘em more, innit. Piece of piss.

    For the record, the UK is not going to be facing a summer of food shortages.

    You heard it here first.

    It might face a summer of slightly higher prices for food, of course.
    Oh goody. But isn’t food supposed to be getting cheaper? When do we get the hormone-laden, chlorine-drenched cheap shit to shovel in our disgusting proletarian faces?

    I see EE are reintroducing roaming charges for us in Europe. No doubt the other networks will shortly follow. Something to look forward to when I can actually visit the EU again. Oh goody.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,292
    Eight positive Covid-19 cases were recorded among the 30,000 people who attended the FA Cup semi-final, the FA Cup final and the Carabao Cup final.
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    CookieCookie Posts: 11,505
    rcs1000 said:

    Re George Galloway: it is worth remember that Batley & Spen is a lot less Muslim than either Bradford West or Bethnel Green & Bow.

    In Bradford West, the population is 51% Muslim, and he got 56%.
    In Bethnal Green & Bow, the population is 35% Muslim, and he got 36% of the vote.

    Even if we assume that he outperforms the 19% of the population that is Muslim, it's hard to see how Galloway could get more than 25-26%. And that's surely nowhere near enough, given the Conservatives should easily clear 35%.

    Differential turnout is GG's friend. I reckon he has about a 1 in 7 chance of winning.

    Whenever I type GG I mentally pronounce it 'Gigi'. That is Galloway's new name in my head.
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    TheValiantTheValiant Posts: 1,715

    Just a random one apropos of nothing - took a train trip to the Ayrshire coast today. Bearing in mind my home station is a small one but a relative handful of stops from Glasgow Central and therefore a big commuter line, ticket office guy was very downbeat in telling me that last year takings were 10% of pre-pandemic levels and still at the moment only running at about 20-30% of pre-pandemic levels.

    In a way absolutely not surprising, but it was a stark reminder that the railways continue to be as stuffed as a lot of the other industries in this post-lockdown-but-pre-freedom limbo we are in at the moment.

    Got Merseyrail a few times to work this last year. Probably been on it six or seven times in the last year.
    Northern line only (Southport to Hunts Cross) I can report that numbers on the train are greatly down, I was able to get a seat on the 5pm rush hour train on two occassions now.
    Train services themselves, usually every 15 minutes are now every 20 minutes.
    Trains near 'rush hour' are often quiet and I can have a bank of four seats to myself.
    I suspect even post 19th July, the local railways are going to really struggle.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,292
    Yesterday saw 221,534 first doses given and 177,813 second jabs......

    This getting worse..
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    MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 44,582
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    kinabalukinabalu Posts: 39,333
    isam said:

    kinabalu said:

    isam said:

    Leon said:

    maaarsh said:

    BigRich said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Just seen a clip of Ledbetter being harangued in Batley and Spen. Vile stuff

    Do you mind me asking, by whom, and for what?

    Was it activists form a different party?
    I'm assuming it's from voters Labour would consider 'theirs' and fits in to the pattern of ignoring homophobia or anti-semitism if its electorally damaging to challenge it that they've gone for.
    Labour really are completely fucked. Either they try and keep the conservative Muslim vote on board (but how? How do they square this with Wokeness??) or they abandon them and lose several million voters in one go
    When the woke types feel comfortable calling out Islamic misogyny and homophobia, we might be approaching assimilation. Letting them off because of their religion, or that they’re their enemies enemy proves multiculturalism isn’t working.
    Conservative Islam is backward and reprehensible in its attitude to women and homosexuality.

    That was easy, wasn't it.
    The fact you had to add ‘Conservative’ makes me feel like it wouldn’t be easy to say it without caveats
    If you said it without caveat it would be anti-Muslim bigotry.
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    CookieCookie Posts: 11,505
    isam said:

    isam said:

    kinabalu said:

    isam said:

    Leon said:

    maaarsh said:

    BigRich said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Just seen a clip of Ledbetter being harangued in Batley and Spen. Vile stuff

    Do you mind me asking, by whom, and for what?

    Was it activists form a different party?
    I'm assuming it's from voters Labour would consider 'theirs' and fits in to the pattern of ignoring homophobia or anti-semitism if its electorally damaging to challenge it that they've gone for.
    Labour really are completely fucked. Either they try and keep the conservative Muslim vote on board (but how? How do they square this with Wokeness??) or they abandon them and lose several million voters in one go
    When the woke types feel comfortable calling out Islamic misogyny and homophobia, we might be approaching assimilation. Letting them off because of their religion, or that they’re their enemies enemy proves multiculturalism isn’t working.
    Conservative Islam is backward and reprehensible in its attitude to women and homosexuality.

    That was easy, wasn't it.
    I dont know, it was you who did it

    The fact you had to add ‘Conservative’ makes me feel like it wouldn’t be easy to say it without caveats
    Isn't that because Islam comes in many flavours? I know plenty of Muslims who have totally progressive views on things like homosexuality and women's rights. Just like Christians, Jews, Hindus and Athiests also hold a range of views. Are the percentages of fundamentalists/moderates the same across all religious groups in the UK? Probably not. But criticising Islam as a whole isn't really helpful.
    I thought over 50% of a group thinking something should be enough to not have to pretend we have to caveat, but maybe not. Could be wrong

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/apr/11/british-muslims-strong-sense-of-belonging-poll-homosexuality-sharia-law
    Middle class people like me, and perhaps OLB tend to know, disproportionately, middle class Muslims with fairly western views. It gives us an impression that Muslims are more western than is typically the case. But clearly these are not terribly representative.
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    Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,820
    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Scott_xP said:

    EXCLUSIVE: The brother of Gina Coladangelo, the Whitehall director whose alleged affair with health secretary Matt Hancock has prompted calls for him to quit, is a director of PHL Group, a private healthcare provider which has won several NHS contracts. https://news.sky.com/story/matt-hancock-affair-aide-gina-coladangelos-relative-has-top-job-at-company-with-nhs-contracts-12341789

    So the brother of a Non-Executive director at the DoH has been given NHS contracts.

    It's like something from the bad old days in Africa.
    If you'd actually bothered to read the article, you'd have found (admittedly towards the end, as is common with these hatchet-jobs trying to stay just within the libel laws) that it really, really isn't anything corrupt, or indeed anything to do with Matt Hancock at all:

    A person close to the situation said that PHL had been providing services to the NHS since it was established 11 years ago, and that contracts awarded by the NHS followed the relevant procurement rules.
    Interesting that a company specialising in contracting NHS GP services decided to appoint the brother of The Health Ministers mistress in October 2019 as Director of Strategy.

    Interesting only to conspiracy theorists and time travellers.
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,823

    kinabalu said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Matt Hancock 'affair': Aide Gina Coladangelo's relative has top job at company with NHS contracts - Sky News https://apple.news/AjjsG2PjRRmmCQB3GCly0mQ

    This government has a very corrupt feel to it.
    Except in this case, it doesn't seem to be the case. 11 years ago when this company was contracted by the NHS, Hancock was only just elected an MP and nowhere near the levers of power.

    Sky News gets worse by the day.
    Yes, but the brother only joined in Oct 2019, a year after Hancock became SoS Health.

    The web of contacts between senior ministers and companies with NHS contracts does rather whiff, and Hancock certainly has form.

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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,068
    Excellent Covid numbers from an England hospitals perspective today.

    The total number in hospital with Covid in England is 1,284, which is up 10 from yesterday, and below the peak of 1,301 achieved on Tuesday.

    Week-over-week growth continues to sharply decelerate, and is now under 10%.

    Most encouragingly of all, bed usage in the North West - the nexus of Delta Covid - continues to retreat and is only up 4% from the level achieved a week ago.
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    GnudGnud Posts: 298
    Cookie said:

    5. Also, while I'm not seeking to blame the woman, what on earth does the woman in question see in a haggard-looking middle aged national hate figure?

    Power?

    And she's as guilty of breaking the social distancing rules as he is.

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    dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 28,013

    Just a random one apropos of nothing - took a train trip to the Ayrshire coast today. Bearing in mind my home station is a small one but a relative handful of stops from Glasgow Central and therefore a big commuter line, ticket office guy was very downbeat in telling me that last year takings were 10% of pre-pandemic levels and still at the moment only running at about 20-30% of pre-pandemic levels.

    In a way absolutely not surprising, but it was a stark reminder that the railways continue to be as stuffed as a lot of the other industries in this post-lockdown-but-pre-freedom limbo we are in at the moment.

    Got Merseyrail a few times to work this last year. Probably been on it six or seven times in the last year.
    Northern line only (Southport to Hunts Cross) I can report that numbers on the train are greatly down, I was able to get a seat on the 5pm rush hour train on two occassions now.
    Train services themselves, usually every 15 minutes are now every 20 minutes.
    Trains near 'rush hour' are often quiet and I can have a bank of four seats to myself.
    I suspect even post 19th July, the local railways are going to really struggle.
    Haven't done rush hour. But have been doing lunch time in, half nine back to Newcastle.
    Numbers growing every time. Would say at 75% of pre-pandemic now.
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    felixfelix Posts: 15,125

    kle4 said:

    If the comments of PB Tories, PB Tory sympathisers and ex-Tories, and PB centrists are anything to go by, it looks to me like Hancock will struggle to stay in post, despite the PM attempting to shrug it off.

    Although we're a weird lot, I don't think PBers are so out of tune that we don't reflect the mood of the public (or Tory MPs) on occasions like this.

    For once, the handful of us on the left are quite enjoying this. Such pleasure has been very rare recently.

    I am fascinated at the delineation between ex Tories, Tories and Tory sympathisers, whilst retaining centrists.
    It's a finely honed categorisation that I've reached since I started posting here over a year ago. I can give you lists of who's in which category if you wish.....
    Bit worrying hearing about people making lists of names....
    Almost as creepy as Roger who is obsessed with me - counting all of my likes! Quite bizarre.
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    OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 15,166
    isam said:

    isam said:

    kinabalu said:

    isam said:

    Leon said:

    maaarsh said:

    BigRich said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Just seen a clip of Ledbetter being harangued in Batley and Spen. Vile stuff

    Do you mind me asking, by whom, and for what?

    Was it activists form a different party?
    I'm assuming it's from voters Labour would consider 'theirs' and fits in to the pattern of ignoring homophobia or anti-semitism if its electorally damaging to challenge it that they've gone for.
    Labour really are completely fucked. Either they try and keep the conservative Muslim vote on board (but how? How do they square this with Wokeness??) or they abandon them and lose several million voters in one go
    When the woke types feel comfortable calling out Islamic misogyny and homophobia, we might be approaching assimilation. Letting them off because of their religion, or that they’re their enemies enemy proves multiculturalism isn’t working.
    Conservative Islam is backward and reprehensible in its attitude to women and homosexuality.

    That was easy, wasn't it.
    I dont know, it was you who did it

    The fact you had to add ‘Conservative’ makes me feel like it wouldn’t be easy to say it without caveats
    Isn't that because Islam comes in many flavours? I know plenty of Muslims who have totally progressive views on things like homosexuality and women's rights. Just like Christians, Jews, Hindus and Athiests also hold a range of views. Are the percentages of fundamentalists/moderates the same across all religious groups in the UK? Probably not. But criticising Islam as a whole isn't really helpful.
    I thought over 50% of a group thinking something should be enough to not have to pretend we have to caveat, but maybe not. Could be wrong

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/apr/11/british-muslims-strong-sense-of-belonging-poll-homosexuality-sharia-law
    50%<100%.
    The funny thing about your whole Muslim beef is that I keep reading your name as "Islam". It's very confusing.
    Incidentally, I've got a mate whose surname is Islam, who I used to meet for lunch fairly regularly, pre-Covid. I always tried to arrive first so I could say "I've got a table booked in the name of Islam."
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    moonshinemoonshine Posts: 5,245
    Leon said:

    moonshine said:

    Leon said:

    moonshine said:

    Leon said:

    moonshine said:

    Floater said:

    Leon said:

    *drinks entire crate of weapons-grade vodka*

    Seems like you made a good head start :smiley:

    I’ve just read Leon’s fake cnn tweet out to my wife and she’s walked off before I could tell her it was a joker online making it up
    Imagine if CNN DO say something like that in the next hour or two. How would people react?!
    Well I can tell you because my wife doesn’t know it was you making it up. She thought it was a tweet from cnn. She said “oh I figured as much. Anyway I have to go and check on the casserole”.
    Yes, it's fascinating. I bet many people - most? - would react exactly like that. A puzzled frown, then a shrug, back to the football

    JUST THE BIGGEST BREAKING NEWS STORY IN THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD

    Maybe some news stories are just TOO big to be taken in?
    She has been up to speed with the story for a long time but prefers not to dwell on it.
    I reckon Elizondo is right. If this disclosure ever occurs (an almighty IF, of course), it will be a truly Sombre Thing

    Those that don't ignore it will be sobered, or frightened. Panicked?

    I have no idea if the US Military (or anyone else) does have this knowledge, but if they did, it would indeed be a tremendous responsibility: how do you release it? How do you prep homo sapiens for such a shocking revelation?
    I have told my wife it was a fake tweet. In the interim period, she booked lunch at the pub for tomorrow which I think is a super response to being told that aliens are real.

    I think Elizondo and the US security apparatus overestimate the impact of the announcement. Most people are aware of the size and age of the universe and on some level, already take it for granted that we are not alone and most likely are well known to the other lot.

    It’s a bit like how the pandemic in real life was largely a lot less dramatic than when it happened to Dustin Hoffman or Winslet. How modern soldiers often experience war for long periods as tedium, rather than Richard Burton intrigue and excitement or Platoon misery. Alien disclosure will be largely “yeah but how does that affect me?”. Unless they decide they like the look of the green belt for a few million pied a terre i suppose.
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    felixfelix Posts: 15,125
    Pulpstar said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Matt Hancock 'affair': Aide Gina Coladangelo's relative has top job at company with NHS contracts - Sky News https://apple.news/AjjsG2PjRRmmCQB3GCly0mQ

    Drip drip...
    Agreed - Scott'n'Paste is a drip.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,068
    Andy_JS said:

    Does anyone know whether we might get another constituency poll from Batley and Spen?

    Next Thursday or Friday, I reckon.
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    CookieCookie Posts: 11,505
    BigRich said:

    If the comments of PB Tories, PB Tory sympathisers and ex-Tories, and PB centrists are anything to go by, it looks to me like Hancock will struggle to stay in post, despite the PM attempting to shrug it off.

    Although we're a weird lot, I don't think PBers are so out of tune that we don't reflect the mood of the public (or Tory MPs) on occasions like this.

    For once, the handful of us on the left are quite enjoying this. Such pleasure has been very rare recently.

    I'm glad you are enjoying this, at least somebody should.

    Hancoks problem at the moment is that lots of people dislike him for divernt reasons

    Some, Ex Tory like me, hate him for the lockdown, and recently its extension
    Some, hate him for not locking down sooner/harder
    Some, Tory Loyalists, who may have once defended Dominic Cummings, hate him for being in DCs words incompetent
    Some, non political types, may not of had an opinion, but dislike adultery.
    Some, may just be joules that he got his leg over.

    But all can agree that braking social distasting 'rules' was not good, not by the SoS for Health. therefor even though most of us have been within 2 meters of somebody.



    It's nice to have something to bring us together. Happy to join BigRich, Northern Al and everyone from all sides of the political spectrum in lining up to give Matt Hancock a kicking.
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    MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 44,582
    kinabalu said:

    isam said:

    kinabalu said:

    isam said:

    Leon said:

    maaarsh said:

    BigRich said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Just seen a clip of Ledbetter being harangued in Batley and Spen. Vile stuff

    Do you mind me asking, by whom, and for what?

    Was it activists form a different party?
    I'm assuming it's from voters Labour would consider 'theirs' and fits in to the pattern of ignoring homophobia or anti-semitism if its electorally damaging to challenge it that they've gone for.
    Labour really are completely fucked. Either they try and keep the conservative Muslim vote on board (but how? How do they square this with Wokeness??) or they abandon them and lose several million voters in one go
    When the woke types feel comfortable calling out Islamic misogyny and homophobia, we might be approaching assimilation. Letting them off because of their religion, or that they’re their enemies enemy proves multiculturalism isn’t working.
    Conservative Islam is backward and reprehensible in its attitude to women and homosexuality.

    That was easy, wasn't it.
    The fact you had to add ‘Conservative’ makes me feel like it wouldn’t be easy to say it without caveats
    If you said it without caveat it would be anti-Muslim bigotry.
    Which then leads to the question - at what level of belief is it acceptable to generalise about a group.

    If group A has X% holding a belief Y, at what level of X does it become acceptable to say "Group A believes Y"

    100%
    90%
    80%

    and so on?
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,292
    edited June 2021
    Foxy said:

    kinabalu said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Matt Hancock 'affair': Aide Gina Coladangelo's relative has top job at company with NHS contracts - Sky News https://apple.news/AjjsG2PjRRmmCQB3GCly0mQ

    This government has a very corrupt feel to it.
    Except in this case, it doesn't seem to be the case. 11 years ago when this company was contracted by the NHS, Hancock was only just elected an MP and nowhere near the levers of power.

    Sky News gets worse by the day.
    Yes, but the brother only joined in Oct 2019, a year after Hancock became SoS Health.

    The web of contacts between senior ministers and companies with NHS contracts does rather whiff, and Hancock certainly has form.

    The foresight by this company is worthy of Back to the Future Biff Tannen Sports Almanac based predictions.

    October 2019, UK total stalemate over Brexit, nothing getting done on anything and utter uncertainty about any direction for the future. And nobody thought Boris would win a big majority in any potential GE, rather that it would lead to more stalemate on everything, possibility a second referendum, perhaps back into the EU, yadda yadda yadda.

    Let alone a global pandemic requiring massive ramping up of NHS auxiliary services or that the Health Secretary would start an affair in the middle of it.
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    moonshinemoonshine Posts: 5,245

    Yesterday saw 221,534 first doses given and 177,813 second jabs......

    This getting worse..

    We are deep into the dregs of people that can’t be arsed getting vaccinated. If you want a million a day you’re going to have to wait for third doses to kick in to the stats.
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    FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195
    felix said:

    kle4 said:

    If the comments of PB Tories, PB Tory sympathisers and ex-Tories, and PB centrists are anything to go by, it looks to me like Hancock will struggle to stay in post, despite the PM attempting to shrug it off.

    Although we're a weird lot, I don't think PBers are so out of tune that we don't reflect the mood of the public (or Tory MPs) on occasions like this.

    For once, the handful of us on the left are quite enjoying this. Such pleasure has been very rare recently.

    I am fascinated at the delineation between ex Tories, Tories and Tory sympathisers, whilst retaining centrists.
    It's a finely honed categorisation that I've reached since I started posting here over a year ago. I can give you lists of who's in which category if you wish.....
    Bit worrying hearing about people making lists of names....
    Almost as creepy as Roger who is obsessed with me - counting all of my likes! Quite bizarre.
    Has he called you a Zionist yet?
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    RH1992RH1992 Posts: 788
    edited June 2021

    Yesterday saw 221,534 first doses given and 177,813 second jabs......

    This getting worse..

    It's about 8 or so weeks since we had the small numbers of 1st doses being given in April and early May so it definitely shrinks the second dose pool under the current guidance. AZ 2nds it seems ideally need the 8 week gap to maximise protection but I wonder if the JCVI/government could be doing more to get Pfizer and Moderna 2nds done a bit sooner since you can have just the 3-4 week gap with those for good 2 dose protection.
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    NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,368
    Leon said:



    Yes, it's fascinating. I bet many people - most? - would react exactly like that. A puzzled frown, then a shrug, back to the football

    JUST THE BIGGEST BREAKING NEWS STORY IN THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD

    Maybe some news stories are just TOO big to be taken in?

    It's not that. Partly most of us are just sceptical because of the "cry wolf" thing - people have claimed to see aliens forever, but nothing seems to happen. But also it fails the "how will this affect us?" test. It's a bit like God - yes, I accept they (sic) may exist, but in the apparent absence of any actual divine intervention, what difference does it make, really? Quite interesting, like theories on the start of the universe, but hard to get excited about.

    Now if the aliens were going to intervene to get George Galloway elected, you'd get us really worried...
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,068
    edited June 2021
    Cookie said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Re George Galloway: it is worth remember that Batley & Spen is a lot less Muslim than either Bradford West or Bethnel Green & Bow.

    In Bradford West, the population is 51% Muslim, and he got 56%.
    In Bethnal Green & Bow, the population is 35% Muslim, and he got 36% of the vote.

    Even if we assume that he outperforms the 19% of the population that is Muslim, it's hard to see how Galloway could get more than 25-26%. And that's surely nowhere near enough, given the Conservatives should easily clear 35%.

    Differential turnout is GG's friend. I reckon he has about a 1 in 7 chance of winning.

    Whenever I type GG I mentally pronounce it 'Gigi'. That is Galloway's new name in my head.
    Well, it'll have to be one hell of a differential turnout - especially the Muslim population numbers I posted include children: the proportion of adults will be lower.

    I'd say he has less than a 5% chance of winning. I simply can't see how Con + BXP + Heavy Woolen vote share of 51% at the last election ends up dropping below 35%. And that's a pretty extreme worst case scenario. Realistically, the Conservatives will be in the 40s, and that means that Galloway would have to grab an awful lot of the Labour vote.
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    kinabalukinabalu Posts: 39,333
    Leon said:

    moonshine said:

    Leon said:

    moonshine said:

    Leon said:

    moonshine said:

    Floater said:

    Leon said:

    *drinks entire crate of weapons-grade vodka*

    Seems like you made a good head start :smiley:

    I’ve just read Leon’s fake cnn tweet out to my wife and she’s walked off before I could tell her it was a joker online making it up
    Imagine if CNN DO say something like that in the next hour or two. How would people react?!
    Well I can tell you because my wife doesn’t know it was you making it up. She thought it was a tweet from cnn. She said “oh I figured as much. Anyway I have to go and check on the casserole”.
    Yes, it's fascinating. I bet many people - most? - would react exactly like that. A puzzled frown, then a shrug, back to the football

    JUST THE BIGGEST BREAKING NEWS STORY IN THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD

    Maybe some news stories are just TOO big to be taken in?
    She has been up to speed with the story for a long time but prefers not to dwell on it.
    I reckon Elizondo is right. If this disclosure ever occurs (an almighty IF, of course), it will be a truly Sombre Thing

    Those that don't ignore it will be sobered, or frightened. Panicked?

    I have no idea if the US Military (or anyone else) does have this knowledge, but if they did, it would indeed be a tremendous responsibility: how do you release it? How do you prep homo sapiens for such a shocking revelation?
    What I've often thought would be terrible is if an Alien - ET, say, or a Dalek - visited just YOU. Came to see just you, introduced itself, had a chat, then said "spread the word" and disappeared.

    Where does that leave you? With a straight (extremely unpalatable) choice. Ignore the instruction and keep an unbearable secret that will render your life unmanageable. Or obey and be chalked down - even by those you love - as a total nutcase.

    "Oh god, what's happened to Simon is such a tragedy. He might have to go somewhere for a while, is what I'm hearing."

    I dread this happening to me. It'd be the pits.
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    GnudGnud Posts: 298
    Floater said:

    Leon said:

    Floater said:

    Leon said:

    "BREAKING: in unclassified documents released to Congress today, by the DoD, Pentagon officials admit the UAP (Unidentified Aerial Phenomena) are not American technology, and show advanced characteristics indicating non-human origin"


    GET IN

    https://twitter.com/CNN/status/1406340307613016072?s=20

    Err what?
    OFFICIAL: IT'S ALIENS

    Fffffffffffuck
    LOL - look at the link you posted
    LOL

    But...current conditions are super-ripe for a big surge in the irrational, whether it's psychic prophecy à la Baba Vanga, Marian apparitions, or something of a new type that grips hundreds of millions or billions of people. Aliens could fit the bill. But I think when it comes it will probably come out of left field.

    Just so long as we have no alien abductions. Please, no. They're so 1990s.
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    Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 33,177
    🚨🚨 | BREAKING: Matt Hancock doesn’t believe he broke the Covid law as he and Mrs Coladangelo were legitimately working

    Via @DailyMirror

    https://twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/status/1408448404171132928
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    NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,368
    rcs1000 said:

    Foxy said:

    MrEd said:

    MrEd said:

    .

    Pulpstar said:

    BigRich said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Just seen a clip of Ledbetter being harangued in Batley and Spen. Vile stuff

    Do you mind me asking, by whom, and for what?

    Was it activists form a different party?
    https://twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/status/1408431105485705217
    Galloway saw the Batley Grammar School cartoon issue, which appeared to be slowly calming down, fanned the flames and stood back in anticipation of the fireworks. A truly vile animal.
    I wonder if the Hancock story could see Labour sqweak home?

    Under any other leader yes under SKS who knows?
    Might cause a few Tory voters to sit this one out in silent protest at being told not to see their loved ones for months by Hancock.
    If anything, the Hancock row makes me tempted to put a few quid on Galloway.

    Plague on all your houses could come through the middle on this one.
    Plus also differentiated turnout. This feels to me like a low turnout by election - I don’t get the impression the Tories have sizzled either. If Galloway does whip up enthusiasm in the Muslim community and gets their votes (plus a few WWC), he is in. See Peterborough 2019 by-election.
    I understand that even if GG were to sweep the "Muslim vote" then that is only 20%, albeit mostly from the Labour pool.

    He won't sweep up the vote, nor pick up significant numbers of white voters. There may be selective turnout, but I think the best he will do is to come second and third or lower more likely. I see it as Con gain by narrow majority, smaller than the GG vote.
    I think that's a reasonable estimate:

    Con 45, Lab 35, GG 15

    Would be my guess. And I may be a little high with the GG forecast.
    47/40/9 is mine.
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    Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 33,177
    Fascinating insight from someone who knows PM well on why he won't ask Hancock to resign: Tells me Johnson will try to 'ignore it all' and is 'still sore' about Michael Howard making him resign from shadow cabinet in 2004 for lying about his affair with Petronella Wyatt #hancock
    https://twitter.com/BethRigby/status/1408453165574459394
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    StockyStocky Posts: 9,736
    Scott_xP said:

    EXCLUSIVE: The brother of Gina Coladangelo, the Whitehall director whose alleged affair with health secretary Matt Hancock has prompted calls for him to quit, is a director of PHL Group, a private healthcare provider which has won several NHS contracts. https://news.sky.com/story/matt-hancock-affair-aide-gina-coladangelos-relative-has-top-job-at-company-with-nhs-contracts-12341789

    Most of us have had to do with two jabs. She's had an extra little prick.

    (I'm quite enjoying today.)
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