The media have this as their main story and they will not let this go
Rightly so. Boris has to sack him & will suffer in the polls/elections if he doesn’t
Bounce if he does?
Probably. He should do, it’s such a no brainer - it gives him a massive out from the Cummings revelations and the ‘Hancock never told Boris how good the vaccines were vs Delta in the meetings ‘ news too.
Come to think of it, that could be why this story has come out
@DaveKeating Angela #Merkel confirms at her closing #EUCO press conference that part of her reason for wanting an EU summit with Putin was for EU sovereignty, to show #Biden’s summit wasn’t speaking for the EU.
@DaveKeating Angela #Merkel confirms at her closing #EUCO press conference that part of her reason for wanting an EU summit with Putin was for EU sovereignty, to show #Biden’s summit wasn’t speaking for the EU.
@DaveKeating Angela #Merkel confirms at her closing #EUCO press conference that part of her reason for wanting an EU summit with Putin was for EU sovereignty, to show #Biden’s summit wasn’t speaking for the EU.
So they’re more interested in courting Putin than Biden.
But they wonder why the UK left...
Putin provides the gas Germany needs to avoid people freezing to death in Winter.
I find I don't need to understand more than that when looking at how Germany deals with Russia.
Indeed, but the reliance on Russian gas was a clear policy choice by the Germans, when they closed their nuclear plants without sufficient alternative energy sources in place.
I wonder how many people who said Cummings should have apologised will graciously accept Hancock's apology?
It is not enough
Even Burley left Sky for 6 months when she breached covid rules
And this is the person who is responsible for them
I cannot see how any conservative can defend him and this conservative does not
Where do you stand on the argument he is only playing follow the leader, so how can the leader sack him?
The issue is breaking the rules. Not having an affair.
What about the argument it is the affair if the story becomes damaging? Wall to wall days of media shouting sleaze and hypocrisy could impact the by election?
Take the Telegraph for example, since last week election defeat a marked shift in tone to now supporting the Conservative Party, not the Boris Party. Does number 10 need momentum to that theme, by ignoring what Conservatives think about the affair, not just the little rule breach.
We're not in the 19th century anymore. I don't think anyone is naive enough to think sex is an issue in this day and age.
Telling the rest of us to lockdown while he doesn't. That's the story and that's serious.
Affairs? Couldn't care less. People have tried to destroy politicians like Truss and Boris over affairs before and nobody cares anymore. Quite right too!
Call me naive then. Libertarian minds like yours may smirk into the waiting lips of adulterery, but Conservatives believe in the sanctity of marriage and think of the children. Leader of the Conservative Party has to think like this.
"Conservatives" like you are an outdated laughing stock.
The leader of the Conservative Party is a twice divorced serial adulterer.
One of the best Conservative Cabinet Ministers is the adulterer Liz Truss whom Turnip Taliban idiots like you tried to destroy before she was even an MP. As discussed on here by @bunnco our man on the spot at the time.
People like you need to join the rest of us in the 21st century.
@DaveKeating Angela #Merkel confirms at her closing #EUCO press conference that part of her reason for wanting an EU summit with Putin was for EU sovereignty, to show #Biden’s summit wasn’t speaking for the EU.
German health minister: 'Delta variant will have the upper hand over the summer' The more infectious Delta coronavirus variant will become dominant in Germany over the summer, health minister Jens Spahn said this morning.
“The Delta variant will have the upper hand over the summer, it’s more a matter of weeks than months,” Spahn told a news conference, adding the variant currently makes up more than 15% of coronavirus cases reported in Germany.
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But its ok, everybody to the beaches and nightclubs of Southern Europe to intermingle.....
Crowding the unvaccinated youth of Europe in the 10,000 capacity nightclubs of Ibiza, definitely isn’t going to result in a massive new wave of infection all over the continent.
But hey - lets quarantine the Brits.......
So who are they going to blame when it demonstrably can't be our fault?
At a wild guess - us still......
Germany doesn't let us in anyway. So they must have got Delta some other way.
Germany tried to bully the Club Med countries into quarantining the UK. Portugal made meek and compliant noises, but the Spanish told the Germans to fuck off, they want UK tourists and UK money
Y Viva Espana
I suggest all PB-ers get out to Spain ASAP as a mark of respect, and to show camaraderie against the Hun. Also, the Balearics are Going Green
@DaveKeating Angela #Merkel confirms at her closing #EUCO press conference that part of her reason for wanting an EU summit with Putin was for EU sovereignty, to show #Biden’s summit wasn’t speaking for the EU.
So they’re more interested in courting Putin than Biden.
But they wonder why the UK left...
Putin provides the gas Germany needs to avoid people freezing to death in Winter.
I find I don't need to understand more than that when looking at how Germany deals with Russia.
They did it long before they needed the gas - see Brandt's shady Ostpolitik during the Cold War. And if we really want to go further back, the Rapallo area.
@DaveKeating Angela #Merkel confirms at her closing #EUCO press conference that part of her reason for wanting an EU summit with Putin was for EU sovereignty, to show #Biden’s summit wasn’t speaking for the EU.
So they’re more interested in courting Putin than Biden.
But they wonder why the UK left...
Putin provides the gas Germany needs to avoid people freezing to death in Winter.
I find I don't need to understand more than that when looking at how Germany deals with Russia.
But that doesn't make any sense either, Germany has got other import options as it could build a few LNG terminals on the North Sea coast and import gas from Qatar, Norway and the US just as we do. Nord Stream is a weak excuse.
@DaveKeating Angela #Merkel confirms at her closing #EUCO press conference that part of her reason for wanting an EU summit with Putin was for EU sovereignty, to show #Biden’s summit wasn’t speaking for the EU.
So they’re more interested in courting Putin than Biden.
But they wonder why the UK left...
Putin provides the gas Germany needs to avoid people freezing to death in Winter.
I find I don't need to understand more than that when looking at how Germany deals with Russia.
Indeed, but the reliance on Russian gas was a clear policy choice by the Germans, when they closed their nuclear plants without sufficient alternative energy sources in place.
Wiki says he has 3 kids, I assume are school age. That’s gonna be nasty for them.
Where is the proof that Hancock is actually bonking this lady? Many will get involved to the extent of a good snog - which is all this CCTV shows - without taking things so far as a full physical relationship. At what point does it become adultery? Before or after the people concerned have slept together? Until the mid-1960s many couples engaged in 'courtship' for years and managed to abstain from full sex until the wedding night.
The proof he broke his own covid rules is in the public domain
And he has admitted the affair
Ok - but that still begs the question as to what is meant by 'having an affair'? If it went no further than a good snog, has he committed adultery?
Who cares?
The issue is he broke his own distancing rules.
Whether he did that with his tongue or his penis isn't relevant at all.
No, the issue is his motivation for appropriating his extraordinary power, wielding it, and most importantly of all, withholding its return.
It has emerged there are powerful reasons why Matt Hancock might not want to give British people their freedoms back, over and above any issues with regard to disease.
That is the issue.
Ah, so lockdowns are nothing to do with Covid? Absurd.
Now when we get to the nub of the matter, the central office shills appear. Ask Hancock what his motivation for imposing, maintaining and above all extending lockdown was.
It was the preservation of his extraordinary power. Power he manifestly got off on.
Yes, nothing at all to do with Covid.
At the beginning, COVID. Maybe
But now......FFS grow up.
Yeah, it's all so he can keep having affairs, or something.
I wonder how many people who said Cummings should have apologised will graciously accept Hancock's apology?
It is not enough
Even Burley left Sky for 6 months when she breached covid rules
And this is the person who is responsible for them
I cannot see how any conservative can defend him and this conservative does not
Where do you stand on the argument he is only playing follow the leader, so how can the leader sack him?
The issue is breaking the rules. Not having an affair.
What about the argument it is the affair if the story becomes damaging? Wall to wall days of media shouting sleaze and hypocrisy could impact the by election?
Take the Telegraph for example, since last week election defeat a marked shift in tone to now supporting the Conservative Party, not the Boris Party. Does number 10 need momentum to that theme, by ignoring what Conservatives think about the affair, not just the little rule breach.
We're not in the 19th century anymore. I don't think anyone is naive enough to think sex is an issue in this day and age.
Telling the rest of us to lockdown while he doesn't. That's the story and that's serious.
Affairs? Couldn't care less. People have tried to destroy politicians like Truss and Boris over affairs before and nobody cares anymore. Quite right too!
Call me naive then. Libertarian minds like yours may smirk into the waiting lips of adulterery, but Conservatives believe in the sanctity of marriage and think of the children. Leader of the Conservative Party has to think like this.
We know the leader doesnt.
Edit:I don't think people need to relax their own morals on how they view adulterers, but it isnt the bar it used to be and that has to be acknowledged.
Wiki says he has 3 kids, I assume are school age. That’s gonna be nasty for them.
Where is the proof that Hancock is actually bonking this lady? Many will get involved to the extent of a good snog - which is all this CCTV shows - without taking things so far as a full physical relationship. At what point does it become adultery? Before or after the people concerned have slept together? Until the mid-1960s many couples engaged in 'courtship' for years and managed to abstain from full sex until the wedding night.
The proof he broke his own covid rules is in the public domain
And he has admitted the affair
Ok - but that still begs the question as to what is meant by 'having an affair'? If it went no further than a good snog, has he committed adultery?
@DaveKeating Angela #Merkel confirms at her closing #EUCO press conference that part of her reason for wanting an EU summit with Putin was for EU sovereignty, to show #Biden’s summit wasn’t speaking for the EU.
So they’re more interested in courting Putin than Biden.
But they wonder why the UK left...
Putin provides the gas Germany needs to avoid people freezing to death in Winter.
I find I don't need to understand more than that when looking at how Germany deals with Russia.
But that doesn't make any sense either, Germany has got other import options as it could build a few LNG terminals on the North Sea coast and import gas from Qatar, Norway and the US just as we do. Nord Stream is a weak excuse.
Even worse, once the new Nord Stream 2 pipeline goes live, the existing pipeline through Ukraine becomes redundant - with all the political implications of that.
Wiki says he has 3 kids, I assume are school age. That’s gonna be nasty for them.
Where is the proof that Hancock is actually bonking this lady? Many will get involved to the extent of a good snog - which is all this CCTV shows - without taking things so far as a full physical relationship. At what point does it become adultery? Before or after the people concerned have slept together? Until the mid-1960s many couples engaged in 'courtship' for years and managed to abstain from full sex until the wedding night.
The proof he broke his own covid rules is in the public domain
And he has admitted the affair
Ok - but that still begs the question as to what is meant by 'having an affair'? If it went no further than a good snog, has he committed adultery?
Who cares?
The issue is he broke his own distancing rules.
Whether he did that with his tongue or his penis isn't relevant at all.
No, the issue is his motivation for appropriating his extraordinary power, wielding it, and most importantly of all, withholding its return.
It has emerged there are powerful reasons why Matt Hancock might not want to give British people their freedoms back, over and above any issues with regard to disease.
That is the issue.
Ah, so lockdowns are nothing to do with Covid? Absurd.
Now when we get to the nub of the matter, the central office shills appear. Ask Hancock what his motivation for imposing, maintaining and above all extending lockdown was.
It was the preservation of his extraordinary power. Power he manifestly got off on.
Yes, nothing at all to do with Covid.
At the beginning, COVID. Maybe
But now......FFS grow up.
Yeah, it's all so he can keep having affairs, or something.
Well if he was f8cking his mistress while telling you you that you could not hug your granny, or a dying relative, or someone you loved in a care home how seriously do you think he believed in his advice? How seriously did he believed in a policy he imposed without recourse to parliament or an election?
@DaveKeating Angela #Merkel confirms at her closing #EUCO press conference that part of her reason for wanting an EU summit with Putin was for EU sovereignty, to show #Biden’s summit wasn’t speaking for the EU.
So they’re more interested in courting Putin than Biden.
But they wonder why the UK left...
Putin provides the gas Germany needs to avoid people freezing to death in Winter.
I find I don't need to understand more than that when looking at how Germany deals with Russia.
But that doesn't make any sense either, Germany has got other import options as it could build a few LNG terminals on the North Sea coast and import gas from Qatar, Norway and the US just as we do. Nord Stream is a weak excuse.
I suggest you look at the "Importing LNG via ship is impossible/evil/insane" strain in German politics/media. The source of it is generally the East Politics types....
Completely O/T - but i don't suppose anyone has had any further news today in relation to DavidL? It's all very concerning if not.
Yes, was rather concerning about @DavidL. Hope he’s okay and in hospital.
Yes, that was scary
Has anyone heard from him?
He hasn’t logged in here since 10:25 last night, so that is a little worrying
This is concerning. Does anyone here have his phone number?
I'm assuming OGH and Robert do as a requirement to sign up.
It's bonkers. We don't know each other on here, we all might have walked past each other a thousand times on the high street, and what is PB, it is an internet chat room, an anonymous one at that.
And yet this is extremely worrying and I feel the situation as though it was a friend.
Wiki says he has 3 kids, I assume are school age. That’s gonna be nasty for them.
Where is the proof that Hancock is actually bonking this lady? Many will get involved to the extent of a good snog - which is all this CCTV shows - without taking things so far as a full physical relationship. At what point does it become adultery? Before or after the people concerned have slept together? Until the mid-1960s many couples engaged in 'courtship' for years and managed to abstain from full sex until the wedding night.
The proof he broke his own covid rules is in the public domain
And he has admitted the affair
Ok - but that still begs the question as to what is meant by 'having an affair'? If it went no further than a good snog, has he committed adultery?
Who cares?
The issue is he broke his own distancing rules.
Whether he did that with his tongue or his penis isn't relevant at all.
No, the issue is his motivation for appropriating his extraordinary power, wielding it, and most importantly of all, withholding its return.
It has emerged there are powerful reasons why Matt Hancock might not want to give British people their freedoms back, over and above any issues with regard to disease.
That is the issue.
Ah, so lockdowns are nothing to do with Covid? Absurd.
Now when we get to the nub of the matter, the central office shills appear. Ask Hancock what his motivation for imposing, maintaining and above all extending lockdown was.
It was the preservation of his extraordinary power. Power he manifestly got off on.
Yes, nothing at all to do with Covid.
At the beginning, COVID. Maybe
But now......FFS grow up.
Yeah, it's all so he can keep having affairs, or something.
Well if he was f8cking his mistress while telling you you that you could not hug your granny, or a dying relative, or someone you loved in a care home how seriously do you think he believed in his advice? How seriously did he believed in a policy he imposed without recourse to parliament or an election?
Very seriously probably.
People are able to compartmentalise their own mistakes quite easily without it affecting their general views or principles.
You've still not given a reason you think as to why he wanted lockdown to be extended.
Boris will probably be seen as strong and decisive and get a poll boost if he sacks Hancock for this - but if he doesn’t it could be the end of him
Johnson sacking somebody for philandering would lay him wide open to the charge of being a rank hypocrite.
There is absolutely no reason somebody should be sacked for philadering.
The bigger charge is that Hancock broke the law he introduced. That makes it more complicated if the action was illegal.
Cummings did that when he actually had the actual virus. So that ship has sailed. If Johnson sacks him it will be for shoddy, low rent reasons. Ditto if he doesn't sack him.
Wiki says he has 3 kids, I assume are school age. That’s gonna be nasty for them.
Where is the proof that Hancock is actually bonking this lady? Many will get involved to the extent of a good snog - which is all this CCTV shows - without taking things so far as a full physical relationship. At what point does it become adultery? Before or after the people concerned have slept together? Until the mid-1960s many couples engaged in 'courtship' for years and managed to abstain from full sex until the wedding night.
The proof he broke his own covid rules is in the public domain
And he has admitted the affair
Ok - but that still begs the question as to what is meant by 'having an affair'? If it went no further than a good snog, has he committed adultery?
Completely O/T - but i don't suppose anyone has had any further news today in relation to DavidL? It's all very concerning if not.
Yes, was rather concerning about @DavidL. Hope he’s okay and in hospital.
Yes, that was scary
Has anyone heard from him?
He hasn’t logged in here since 10:25 last night, so that is a little worrying
This is concerning. Does anyone here have his phone number?
I'm assuming OGH and Robert do as a requirement to sign up.
It's bonkers. We don't know each other on here, we all might have walked past each other a thousand times on the high street, and what is PB, it is an internet chat room, an anonymous one at that and yet this is extremely worrying and I feel the situation as though it was a friend.
We are friends, let's face it. We're a bunch of old gits, gathering every day in a rickety pub to exchange village gossip and well-known opinions. We have in-jokes and backstory, we have feuds and alliances, we are a weird community of characters. Virtual, but real
If a PB-er gets ill I feel it
I was genuinely sad to hear about Plato, yet I never met her
Wiki says he has 3 kids, I assume are school age. That’s gonna be nasty for them.
Where is the proof that Hancock is actually bonking this lady? Many will get involved to the extent of a good snog - which is all this CCTV shows - without taking things so far as a full physical relationship. At what point does it become adultery? Before or after the people concerned have slept together? Until the mid-1960s many couples engaged in 'courtship' for years and managed to abstain from full sex until the wedding night.
The proof he broke his own covid rules is in the public domain
And he has admitted the affair
Ok - but that still begs the question as to what is meant by 'having an affair'? If it went no further than a good snog, has he committed adultery?
Who cares?
The issue is he broke his own distancing rules.
Whether he did that with his tongue or his penis isn't relevant at all.
No, the issue is his motivation for appropriating his extraordinary power, wielding it, and most importantly of all, withholding its return.
It has emerged there are powerful reasons why Matt Hancock might not want to give British people their freedoms back, over and above any issues with regard to disease.
That is the issue.
Ah, so lockdowns are nothing to do with Covid? Absurd.
Now when we get to the nub of the matter, the central office shills appear. Ask Hancock what his motivation for imposing, maintaining and above all extending lockdown was.
It was the preservation of his extraordinary power. Power he manifestly got off on.
Yes, nothing at all to do with Covid.
At the beginning, COVID. Maybe
But now......FFS grow up.
Yeah, it's all so he can keep having affairs, or something.
Well if he was f8cking his mistress while telling you you that you could not hug your granny, or a dying relative, or someone you loved in a care home how seriously do you think he believed in his advice? How seriously did he believed in a policy he imposed without recourse to parliament or an election?
Raises lots of questions. They have known each other for over 20 years. Did she become his advisor, work closely together, and then, suddenly, without any inkling or prior inclination, whatsoever, mutually decide to play tongue hockey in front of a CCTV camera? After 2 decades of it not crossing either of their minds?
God we are a country of lily-livered aren't we...its 10 sodding days, watch sodding Netflix, piss about on the internet. It hardly like you are in solitary Steve McQueen stylee.
The food situation in the quarantine hotels does seem to be awful. I heard from my colleague who went through it that they would hear people in other rooms shouting out at midnight that they still hadn't received any food for the evening.
There's no excuse for not being able to run the places properly, but some mate of the government has the contract and their determined to wring as much money from it as possible.
Intermittent fasting, great for losing some holiday love handles....
I personally have done 16/8 for 5+ years now, never felt better.
Wiki says he has 3 kids, I assume are school age. That’s gonna be nasty for them.
Where is the proof that Hancock is actually bonking this lady? Many will get involved to the extent of a good snog - which is all this CCTV shows - without taking things so far as a full physical relationship. At what point does it become adultery? Before or after the people concerned have slept together? Until the mid-1960s many couples engaged in 'courtship' for years and managed to abstain from full sex until the wedding night.
The proof he broke his own covid rules is in the public domain
And he has admitted the affair
Ok - but that still begs the question as to what is meant by 'having an affair'? If it went no further than a good snog, has he committed adultery?
Who cares?
The issue is he broke his own distancing rules.
Whether he did that with his tongue or his penis isn't relevant at all.
No, the issue is his motivation for appropriating his extraordinary power, wielding it, and most importantly of all, withholding its return.
It has emerged there are powerful reasons why Matt Hancock might not want to give British people their freedoms back, over and above any issues with regard to disease.
That is the issue.
Ah, so lockdowns are nothing to do with Covid? Absurd.
Now when we get to the nub of the matter, the central office shills appear. Ask Hancock what his motivation for imposing, maintaining and above all extending lockdown was.
It was the preservation of his extraordinary power. Power he manifestly got off on.
Yes, nothing at all to do with Covid.
At the beginning, COVID. Maybe
But now......FFS grow up.
Yeah, it's all so he can keep having affairs, or something.
Well if he was f8cking his mistress while telling you you that you could not hug your granny, or a dying relative, or someone you loved in a care home how seriously do you think he believed in his advice? How seriously did he believed in a policy he imposed without recourse to parliament or an election?
Yes, that's hypocrisy, but to argue that it was his motivation for the restrictions in the first place is quite frankly absurd.
Wiki says he has 3 kids, I assume are school age. That’s gonna be nasty for them.
Where is the proof that Hancock is actually bonking this lady? Many will get involved to the extent of a good snog - which is all this CCTV shows - without taking things so far as a full physical relationship. At what point does it become adultery? Before or after the people concerned have slept together? Until the mid-1960s many couples engaged in 'courtship' for years and managed to abstain from full sex until the wedding night.
The proof he broke his own covid rules is in the public domain
And he has admitted the affair
Ok - but that still begs the question as to what is meant by 'having an affair'? If it went no further than a good snog, has he committed adultery?
Who cares?
The issue is he broke his own distancing rules.
Whether he did that with his tongue or his penis isn't relevant at all.
No, the issue is his motivation for appropriating his extraordinary power, wielding it, and most importantly of all, withholding its return.
It has emerged there are powerful reasons why Matt Hancock might not want to give British people their freedoms back, over and above any issues with regard to disease.
That is the issue.
Ah, so lockdowns are nothing to do with Covid? Absurd.
Now when we get to the nub of the matter, the central office shills appear. Ask Hancock what his motivation for imposing, maintaining and above all extending lockdown was.
It was the preservation of his extraordinary power. Power he manifestly got off on.
Yes, nothing at all to do with Covid.
At the beginning, COVID. Maybe
But now......FFS grow up.
Yeah, it's all so he can keep having affairs, or something.
Well if he was f8cking his mistress while telling you you that you could not hug your granny, or a dying relative, or someone you loved in a care home how seriously do you think he believed in his advice? How seriously did he believed in a policy he imposed without recourse to parliament or an election?
Very seriously probably.
People are able to compartmentalise their own mistakes quite easily without it affecting their general views or principles.
You've still not given a reason you think as to why he wanted lockdown to be extended.
I think @contrarian's is a good point. Like we have all discussed about the fire and brimstone preachers who preach fervently against homosexuality only to find out that they themselves are homosexual.
Take a moment to ponder. He was responsible for a policy which we were told was vital to save lives and the country's assets (NHS, etc). I mean does it get more important than that?
And he ignored it. He is a person of super discipline otherwise he wouldn't be in the position he is in today (for the moment) and yet those huge concerns of national importance were, in the end, not that important for him. Should they be for us, in which case?
Wiki says he has 3 kids, I assume are school age. That’s gonna be nasty for them.
Where is the proof that Hancock is actually bonking this lady? Many will get involved to the extent of a good snog - which is all this CCTV shows - without taking things so far as a full physical relationship. At what point does it become adultery? Before or after the people concerned have slept together? Until the mid-1960s many couples engaged in 'courtship' for years and managed to abstain from full sex until the wedding night.
The proof he broke his own covid rules is in the public domain
And he has admitted the affair
Ok - but that still begs the question as to what is meant by 'having an affair'? If it went no further than a good snog, has he committed adultery?
Who cares?
The issue is he broke his own distancing rules.
Whether he did that with his tongue or his penis isn't relevant at all.
No, the issue is his motivation for appropriating his extraordinary power, wielding it, and most importantly of all, withholding its return.
It has emerged there are powerful reasons why Matt Hancock might not want to give British people their freedoms back, over and above any issues with regard to disease.
That is the issue.
Ah, so lockdowns are nothing to do with Covid? Absurd.
Now when we get to the nub of the matter, the central office shills appear. Ask Hancock what his motivation for imposing, maintaining and above all extending lockdown was.
It was the preservation of his extraordinary power. Power he manifestly got off on.
Yes, nothing at all to do with Covid.
At the beginning, COVID. Maybe
But now......FFS grow up.
Yeah, it's all so he can keep having affairs, or something.
Well if he was f8cking his mistress while telling you you that you could not hug your granny, or a dying relative, or someone you loved in a care home how seriously do you think he believed in his advice? How seriously did he believed in a policy he imposed without recourse to parliament or an election?
Raises lots of questions. They have known each other for over 20 years. Did she become his advisor, work closely together, and then, suddenly, without any inkling or prior inclination, whatsoever, mutually decide to play tongue hockey in front of a CCTV camera?
Yeah. Odds on it’s been going on for a loooong time.
Poor wifey. Poor kids.
Awarding taxpayer-funded non exec directorships to his mistress is probably what should bring him down.
I couldn’t give a damn about the social distancing rule breaking, tbh
Completely O/T - but i don't suppose anyone has had any further news today in relation to DavidL? It's all very concerning if not.
Yes, was rather concerning about @DavidL. Hope he’s okay and in hospital.
Yes, that was scary
Has anyone heard from him?
He hasn’t logged in here since 10:25 last night, so that is a little worrying
This is concerning. Does anyone here have his phone number?
I'm assuming OGH and Robert do as a requirement to sign up.
It's bonkers. We don't know each other on here, we all might have walked past each other a thousand times on the high street, and what is PB, it is an internet chat room, an anonymous one at that and yet this is extremely worrying and I feel the situation as though it was a friend.
We are friends, let's face it. We're a bunch of old gits, gathering every day in a rickety pub to exchange village gossip and well-known opinions. We have in-jokes and backstory, we have feuds and alliances, we are a weird community of characters. Virtual, but real
If a PB-er gets ill I feel it
I was genuinely sad to hear about Plato, yet I never met her
In every political career comes a moment when the politician discovers how well he treated people on the way up (it’s usually a he.) How many colleagues rush to his defence on air? How hard do journalists put the boot in? How many people urge a sense of proportion on Twitter? https://twitter.com/NickBoles/status/1408395577176596480
Completely O/T - but i don't suppose anyone has had any further news today in relation to DavidL? It's all very concerning if not.
Yes, was rather concerning about @DavidL. Hope he’s okay and in hospital.
Yes, that was scary
Has anyone heard from him?
He hasn’t logged in here since 10:25 last night, so that is a little worrying
This is concerning. Does anyone here have his phone number?
I'm assuming OGH and Robert do as a requirement to sign up.
It's bonkers. We don't know each other on here, we all might have walked past each other a thousand times on the high street, and what is PB, it is an internet chat room, an anonymous one at that and yet this is extremely worrying and I feel the situation as though it was a friend.
We are friends, let's face it. We're a bunch of old gits, gathering every day in a rickety pub to exchange village gossip and well-known opinions. We have in-jokes and backstory, we have feuds and alliances, we are a weird community of characters. Virtual, but real
If a PB-er gets ill I feel it
I was genuinely sad to hear about Plato, yet I never met her
No you fuck off.
Haha
Yes I was tempted to exclude you from the bonhomie, but no, I'd even be upset if something bad happened to a typical south Londoner like you
Fervently hope there isn't footage to verify the 'eat out' component
Sorry in advance but I was wondering if the same camera 2 minutes later captured him nailing her in that 'up against the wall' configuration that's far more common in steamy dramas than it is in real life.
Wiki says he has 3 kids, I assume are school age. That’s gonna be nasty for them.
Where is the proof that Hancock is actually bonking this lady? Many will get involved to the extent of a good snog - which is all this CCTV shows - without taking things so far as a full physical relationship. At what point does it become adultery? Before or after the people concerned have slept together? Until the mid-1960s many couples engaged in 'courtship' for years and managed to abstain from full sex until the wedding night.
The proof he broke his own covid rules is in the public domain
And he has admitted the affair
Ok - but that still begs the question as to what is meant by 'having an affair'? If it went no further than a good snog, has he committed adultery?
Who cares?
The issue is he broke his own distancing rules.
Whether he did that with his tongue or his penis isn't relevant at all.
No, the issue is his motivation for appropriating his extraordinary power, wielding it, and most importantly of all, withholding its return.
It has emerged there are powerful reasons why Matt Hancock might not want to give British people their freedoms back, over and above any issues with regard to disease.
That is the issue.
Ah, so lockdowns are nothing to do with Covid? Absurd.
Now when we get to the nub of the matter, the central office shills appear. Ask Hancock what his motivation for imposing, maintaining and above all extending lockdown was.
It was the preservation of his extraordinary power. Power he manifestly got off on.
Yes, nothing at all to do with Covid.
At the beginning, COVID. Maybe
But now......FFS grow up.
Yeah, it's all so he can keep having affairs, or something.
Well if he was f8cking his mistress while telling you you that you could not hug your granny, or a dying relative, or someone you loved in a care home how seriously do you think he believed in his advice? How seriously did he believed in a policy he imposed without recourse to parliament or an election?
Very seriously probably.
People are able to compartmentalise their own mistakes quite easily without it affecting their general views or principles.
You've still not given a reason you think as to why he wanted lockdown to be extended.
I think @contrarian's is a good point. Like we have all discussed about the fire and brimstone preachers who preach fervently against homosexuality only to find out that they themselves are homosexual.
Take a moment to ponder. He was responsible for a policy which we were told was vital to save lives and the country's assets (NHS, etc). I mean does it get more important than that?
And he ignored it. He is a person of super discipline otherwise he wouldn't be in the position he is in today (for the moment) and yet those huge concerns of national importance were, in the end, not that important for him. Should they be for us, in which case?
I think everyone agrees the hypocrisy and breaking his own rules is a serious problem.
But to pretend this shows that he doesn't actually have any reason to implement these rules? As opposed to just being a hypocrite which is bad enough?
That's conspiracy theory nonsense. The truth is bad enough.
159 missing, 4 dead in Miami. This will be a massive scandal.
If I lived in a building like that in Florida, I would be so much more worried than if I lived in a building with Grenfell style cladding.
Indeed. At least you mitigate with sprinklers, alarms, fire doors, marshals and exit plans, etc.. None much use if the whole shebang just falls down without warning.
“I accept that I breached the social distancing guidance in these circumstances. I have let people down and am very sorry. I remain focused on working to get the country out of this pandemic, and would be grateful for privacy for my family on this personal matter.”
God we are a country of lily-livered aren't we...its 10 sodding days, watch sodding Netflix, piss about on the internet. It hardly like you are in solitary Steve McQueen stylee.
The food situation in the quarantine hotels does seem to be awful. I heard from my colleague who went through it that they would hear people in other rooms shouting out at midnight that they still hadn't received any food for the evening.
There's no excuse for not being able to run the places properly, but some mate of the government has the contract and their determined to wring as much money from it as possible.
Intermittent fasting, great for losing some holiday love handles....
I personally have done 16/8 for 5+ years now, never felt better.
Hancock has been an arse. He should be sacked. But Boris doesn't want to set a precedent. After all, if being an arse gets you sacked..
Who cares? It's not as though he was a manipulating older man seducing some fresh young thing. They are both married and both have kids. Nor did she exactly need the job, given who her husband is, so it's not as though Hancock is taking advantage of someone vulnerable. It is two married people who thought they could get away with a fling and now find it plastered across the papers.
Well done for completely missing the actual story which is Hancock breaking his own rules that he imposed on the rest of the country. Rules for thee, not for me. I really don't care that he had an affair, that's his and his wife's business. The rule breaking is the nation's business.
For Chr1st's sake, do you think people suddenly said "you know what, I'm not going to have an affair because the Government's social distancing rules makes it impossible"? Did Tinder suddenly stop operating?
Wiki says he has 3 kids, I assume are school age. That’s gonna be nasty for them.
Where is the proof that Hancock is actually bonking this lady? Many will get involved to the extent of a good snog - which is all this CCTV shows - without taking things so far as a full physical relationship. At what point does it become adultery? Before or after the people concerned have slept together? Until the mid-1960s many couples engaged in 'courtship' for years and managed to abstain from full sex until the wedding night.
The proof he broke his own covid rules is in the public domain
And he has admitted the affair
Ok - but that still begs the question as to what is meant by 'having an affair'? If it went no further than a good snog, has he committed adultery?
Who cares?
The issue is he broke his own distancing rules.
Whether he did that with his tongue or his penis isn't relevant at all.
No, the issue is his motivation for appropriating his extraordinary power, wielding it, and most importantly of all, withholding its return.
It has emerged there are powerful reasons why Matt Hancock might not want to give British people their freedoms back, over and above any issues with regard to disease.
That is the issue.
Ah, so lockdowns are nothing to do with Covid? Absurd.
Now when we get to the nub of the matter, the central office shills appear. Ask Hancock what his motivation for imposing, maintaining and above all extending lockdown was.
It was the preservation of his extraordinary power. Power he manifestly got off on.
Yes, nothing at all to do with Covid.
At the beginning, COVID. Maybe
But now......FFS grow up.
Yeah, it's all so he can keep having affairs, or something.
Well if he was f8cking his mistress while telling you you that you could not hug your granny, or a dying relative, or someone you loved in a care home how seriously do you think he believed in his advice? How seriously did he believed in a policy he imposed without recourse to parliament or an election?
Yes, that's hypocrisy, but to argue that it was his motivation for the restrictions in the first place is quite frankly absurd.
Maybe in the beginning it wasn't his motivation.
Now, it undoubtedly is. He is hanging on because he loves the power paradise we have given him.
Fervently hope there isn't footage to verify the 'eat out' component
Sorry in advance but I was wondering if the same camera 2 minutes later captured him nailing her in that 'up against the wall' configuration that's far more common in steamy dramas than it is in real life.
The knee trembler. It isn't easy. Better if you are drunk
I did it once with a sweet Scottish girl in the corridor of an empty train back from Lewes to London: the last train on a hot summer's night
At least, we thought it was empty. But a middle-aged Indian gentleman came down the corridor, caught us at it, and politely said "Good evening" and then he walked on, entirely unfazed. Very dudely behaviour
Wiki says he has 3 kids, I assume are school age. That’s gonna be nasty for them.
Where is the proof that Hancock is actually bonking this lady? Many will get involved to the extent of a good snog - which is all this CCTV shows - without taking things so far as a full physical relationship. At what point does it become adultery? Before or after the people concerned have slept together? Until the mid-1960s many couples engaged in 'courtship' for years and managed to abstain from full sex until the wedding night.
The proof he broke his own covid rules is in the public domain
And he has admitted the affair
Ok - but that still begs the question as to what is meant by 'having an affair'? If it went no further than a good snog, has he committed adultery?
Who cares?
The issue is he broke his own distancing rules.
Whether he did that with his tongue or his penis isn't relevant at all.
No, the issue is his motivation for appropriating his extraordinary power, wielding it, and most importantly of all, withholding its return.
It has emerged there are powerful reasons why Matt Hancock might not want to give British people their freedoms back, over and above any issues with regard to disease.
That is the issue.
Ah, so lockdowns are nothing to do with Covid? Absurd.
Now when we get to the nub of the matter, the central office shills appear. Ask Hancock what his motivation for imposing, maintaining and above all extending lockdown was.
It was the preservation of his extraordinary power. Power he manifestly got off on.
Yes, nothing at all to do with Covid.
At the beginning, COVID. Maybe
But now......FFS grow up.
Yeah, it's all so he can keep having affairs, or something.
Well if he was f8cking his mistress while telling you you that you could not hug your granny, or a dying relative, or someone you loved in a care home how seriously do you think he believed in his advice? How seriously did he believed in a policy he imposed without recourse to parliament or an election?
Yes, that's hypocrisy, but to argue that it was his motivation for the restrictions in the first place is quite frankly absurd.
Maybe in the beginning it wasn't his motivation.
Now, it undoubtedly is. He is hanging on because he loves the power paradise we have given him.
Again, absurd. You are arguing his sole motivation for continuing the lockdown (which isn't his final decision anyway) is to have an affair.
159 missing, 4 dead in Miami. This will be a massive scandal.
If I lived in a building like that in Florida, I would be so much more worried than if I lived in a building with Grenfell style cladding.
Indeed. At least you mitigate with sprinklers, alarms, fire doors, marshals and exit plans, etc.. None much use if the whole shebang just falls down without warning.
I think the issue of hurricanes is pertinent - every few years, *every building* in a large chunk of Florida gets a serious structural strength test. At the same time....
Thankfully the actual chance of a fire in a high rise is much much less.
German health minister: 'Delta variant will have the upper hand over the summer' The more infectious Delta coronavirus variant will become dominant in Germany over the summer, health minister Jens Spahn said this morning.
“The Delta variant will have the upper hand over the summer, it’s more a matter of weeks than months,” Spahn told a news conference, adding the variant currently makes up more than 15% of coronavirus cases reported in Germany.
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But its ok, everybody to the beaches and nightclubs of Southern Europe to intermingle.....
Crowding the unvaccinated youth of Europe in the 10,000 capacity nightclubs of Ibiza, definitely isn’t going to result in a massive new wave of infection all over the continent.
But hey - lets quarantine the Brits.......
So who are they going to blame when it demonstrably can't be our fault?
At a wild guess - us still......
Germany doesn't let us in anyway. So they must have got Delta some other way.
Germany tried to bully the Club Med countries into quarantining the UK. Portugal made meek and compliant noises, but the Spanish told the Germans to fuck off, they want UK tourists and UK money
Y Viva Espana
I suggest all PB-ers get out to Spain ASAP as a mark of respect, and to show camaraderie against the Hun. Also, the Balearics are Going Green
A typically enlightened post from the provisional wing of the two world wars and one world cup gang
Completely O/T - but i don't suppose anyone has had any further news today in relation to DavidL? It's all very concerning if not.
Yes, was rather concerning about @DavidL. Hope he’s okay and in hospital.
Yes, that was scary
Has anyone heard from him?
He hasn’t logged in here since 10:25 last night, so that is a little worrying
This is concerning. Does anyone here have his phone number?
I'm assuming OGH and Robert do as a requirement to sign up.
It's bonkers. We don't know each other on here, we all might have walked past each other a thousand times on the high street, and what is PB, it is an internet chat room, an anonymous one at that and yet this is extremely worrying and I feel the situation as though it was a friend.
We are friends, let's face it. We're a bunch of old gits, gathering every day in a rickety pub to exchange village gossip and well-known opinions. We have in-jokes and backstory, we have feuds and alliances, we are a weird community of characters. Virtual, but real
If a PB-er gets ill I feel it
I was genuinely sad to hear about Plato, yet I never met her
We must hope. He went to hospital. Had some tests. And is having a good, long kip under supervision, after a late, frantic night. That is what I am praying for anyway.
Contemptuous lobby briefing in which No 10 refuses to answer qs on whether Hancock broke the law or ministerial code. Says the PM has accepted his apology and 'considers the matter closed' followed by half an hour of epic stonewalling https://twitter.com/JasonGroves1/status/1408402273844269057
159 missing, 4 dead in Miami. This will be a massive scandal.
If I lived in a building like that in Florida, I would be so much more worried than if I lived in a building with Grenfell style cladding.
Yep absolutely. It's like the car/plane crash paradox. You are much more likely to die in a car crash than a plane crash on average but people would prefer to be involved in the former rather than the latter, given that in the latter, everyone (usually) dies.
Wiki says he has 3 kids, I assume are school age. That’s gonna be nasty for them.
Where is the proof that Hancock is actually bonking this lady? Many will get involved to the extent of a good snog - which is all this CCTV shows - without taking things so far as a full physical relationship. At what point does it become adultery? Before or after the people concerned have slept together? Until the mid-1960s many couples engaged in 'courtship' for years and managed to abstain from full sex until the wedding night.
The proof he broke his own covid rules is in the public domain
And he has admitted the affair
Ok - but that still begs the question as to what is meant by 'having an affair'? If it went no further than a good snog, has he committed adultery?
Who cares?
The issue is he broke his own distancing rules.
Whether he did that with his tongue or his penis isn't relevant at all.
No, the issue is his motivation for appropriating his extraordinary power, wielding it, and most importantly of all, withholding its return.
It has emerged there are powerful reasons why Matt Hancock might not want to give British people their freedoms back, over and above any issues with regard to disease.
That is the issue.
Ah, so lockdowns are nothing to do with Covid? Absurd.
Now when we get to the nub of the matter, the central office shills appear. Ask Hancock what his motivation for imposing, maintaining and above all extending lockdown was.
It was the preservation of his extraordinary power. Power he manifestly got off on.
Yes, nothing at all to do with Covid.
At the beginning, COVID. Maybe
But now......FFS grow up.
Yeah, it's all so he can keep having affairs, or something.
Well if he was f8cking his mistress while telling you you that you could not hug your granny, or a dying relative, or someone you loved in a care home how seriously do you think he believed in his advice? How seriously did he believed in a policy he imposed without recourse to parliament or an election?
Raises lots of questions. They have known each other for over 20 years. Did she become his advisor, work closely together, and then, suddenly, without any inkling or prior inclination, whatsoever, mutually decide to play tongue hockey in front of a CCTV camera? After 2 decades of it not crossing either of their minds?
Power, and the sense of power are powerful aphrodisiacs,
Perhaps, the allure of a man who could shut down a nation, (and save it maybe) was the thing that attracted her to him? and more worrying perhaps the realisation by Hancock, that this is what was attracting her to him influenced the delay to reopening?
Boris will probably be seen as strong and decisive and get a poll boost if he sacks Hancock for this - but if he doesn’t it could be the end of him
Johnson sacking somebody for philandering would lay him wide open to the charge of being a rank hypocrite.
I don't think the shagging around is really the problem. I think in general the public don't actually care that much about people having affairs anymore (Justin124 aside).
I think it is more who is shagging around with in office hours (in the office) in the middle of a pandemic.
I must be unusual then. For me, cheating on his wife marks him down far more than this 'hypocrisy' bollox. Hypocrisy has to be the most overattacked vice there is. We're all hypocrites. We don't all cheat on our partners.
German health minister: 'Delta variant will have the upper hand over the summer' The more infectious Delta coronavirus variant will become dominant in Germany over the summer, health minister Jens Spahn said this morning.
“The Delta variant will have the upper hand over the summer, it’s more a matter of weeks than months,” Spahn told a news conference, adding the variant currently makes up more than 15% of coronavirus cases reported in Germany.
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But its ok, everybody to the beaches and nightclubs of Southern Europe to intermingle.....
Crowding the unvaccinated youth of Europe in the 10,000 capacity nightclubs of Ibiza, definitely isn’t going to result in a massive new wave of infection all over the continent.
But hey - lets quarantine the Brits.......
So who are they going to blame when it demonstrably can't be our fault?
At a wild guess - us still......
Germany doesn't let us in anyway. So they must have got Delta some other way.
Germany tried to bully the Club Med countries into quarantining the UK. Portugal made meek and compliant noises, but the Spanish told the Germans to fuck off, they want UK tourists and UK money
Y Viva Espana
I suggest all PB-ers get out to Spain ASAP as a mark of respect, and to show camaraderie against the Hun. Also, the Balearics are Going Green
A typically enlightened post from the provisional wing of the two world wars and one world cup gang
It's also a moot point. The Delta variant is at 15% of cases in Germany. Which means it will be 90% of cases in a matter of weeks.
Wiki says he has 3 kids, I assume are school age. That’s gonna be nasty for them.
Where is the proof that Hancock is actually bonking this lady? Many will get involved to the extent of a good snog - which is all this CCTV shows - without taking things so far as a full physical relationship. At what point does it become adultery? Before or after the people concerned have slept together? Until the mid-1960s many couples engaged in 'courtship' for years and managed to abstain from full sex until the wedding night.
The proof he broke his own covid rules is in the public domain
And he has admitted the affair
Ok - but that still begs the question as to what is meant by 'having an affair'? If it went no further than a good snog, has he committed adultery?
Who cares?
The issue is he broke his own distancing rules.
Whether he did that with his tongue or his penis isn't relevant at all.
No, the issue is his motivation for appropriating his extraordinary power, wielding it, and most importantly of all, withholding its return.
It has emerged there are powerful reasons why Matt Hancock might not want to give British people their freedoms back, over and above any issues with regard to disease.
That is the issue.
Ah, so lockdowns are nothing to do with Covid? Absurd.
Now when we get to the nub of the matter, the central office shills appear. Ask Hancock what his motivation for imposing, maintaining and above all extending lockdown was.
It was the preservation of his extraordinary power. Power he manifestly got off on.
Yes, nothing at all to do with Covid.
At the beginning, COVID. Maybe
But now......FFS grow up.
Yeah, it's all so he can keep having affairs, or something.
Well if he was f8cking his mistress while telling you you that you could not hug your granny, or a dying relative, or someone you loved in a care home how seriously do you think he believed in his advice? How seriously did he believed in a policy he imposed without recourse to parliament or an election?
Yes, that's hypocrisy, but to argue that it was his motivation for the restrictions in the first place is quite frankly absurd.
Maybe in the beginning it wasn't his motivation.
Now, it undoubtedly is. He is hanging on because he loves the power paradise we have given him.
Again, absurd. You are arguing his sole motivation for continuing the lockdown (which isn't his final decision anyway) is to have an affair.
No I am arguing that his main motivation for continuing lockdown, against mounting evidence the pandemic is over, is his exalted position. A position that would be significantly denuded were the extraordinary powers to end.
I know this because we know that whilst people were suffering under the rules he imposed, Hancock was f8cking his mistress.
Im not sure what you need to do to be sacked from the government anymore.
Think not sacking him is a decision that will come back to haunt the Tories. It feels like massive double standards during a period we were consistently told to “be responsible and not to take risks”
Completely O/T - but i don't suppose anyone has had any further news today in relation to DavidL? It's all very concerning if not.
Yes, was rather concerning about @DavidL. Hope he’s okay and in hospital.
Yes, that was scary
Has anyone heard from him?
He hasn’t logged in here since 10:25 last night, so that is a little worrying
This is concerning. Does anyone here have his phone number?
I'm assuming OGH and Robert do as a requirement to sign up.
It's bonkers. We don't know each other on here, we all might have walked past each other a thousand times on the high street, and what is PB, it is an internet chat room, an anonymous one at that and yet this is extremely worrying and I feel the situation as though it was a friend.
We are friends, let's face it. We're a bunch of old gits, gathering every day in a rickety pub to exchange village gossip and well-known opinions. We have in-jokes and backstory, we have feuds and alliances, we are a weird community of characters. Virtual, but real
If a PB-er gets ill I feel it
I was genuinely sad to hear about Plato, yet I never met her
No you fuck off.
Haha
Yes I was tempted to exclude you from the bonhomie, but no, I'd even be upset if something bad happened to a typical south Londoner like you
God we are a country of lily-livered aren't we...its 10 sodding days, watch sodding Netflix, piss about on the internet. It hardly like you are in solitary Steve McQueen stylee.
The food situation in the quarantine hotels does seem to be awful. I heard from my colleague who went through it that they would hear people in other rooms shouting out at midnight that they still hadn't received any food for the evening.
There's no excuse for not being able to run the places properly, but some mate of the government has the contract and their determined to wring as much money from it as possible.
Intermittent fasting, great for losing some holiday love handles....
I personally have done 16/8 for 5+ years now, never felt better.
Wiki says he has 3 kids, I assume are school age. That’s gonna be nasty for them.
Where is the proof that Hancock is actually bonking this lady? Many will get involved to the extent of a good snog - which is all this CCTV shows - without taking things so far as a full physical relationship. At what point does it become adultery? Before or after the people concerned have slept together? Until the mid-1960s many couples engaged in 'courtship' for years and managed to abstain from full sex until the wedding night.
The proof he broke his own covid rules is in the public domain
And he has admitted the affair
Ok - but that still begs the question as to what is meant by 'having an affair'? If it went no further than a good snog, has he committed adultery?
Who cares?
The issue is he broke his own distancing rules.
Whether he did that with his tongue or his penis isn't relevant at all.
No, the issue is his motivation for appropriating his extraordinary power, wielding it, and most importantly of all, withholding its return.
It has emerged there are powerful reasons why Matt Hancock might not want to give British people their freedoms back, over and above any issues with regard to disease.
That is the issue.
Ah, so lockdowns are nothing to do with Covid? Absurd.
Now when we get to the nub of the matter, the central office shills appear. Ask Hancock what his motivation for imposing, maintaining and above all extending lockdown was.
It was the preservation of his extraordinary power. Power he manifestly got off on.
Yes, nothing at all to do with Covid.
At the beginning, COVID. Maybe
But now......FFS grow up.
Yeah, it's all so he can keep having affairs, or something.
Well if he was f8cking his mistress while telling you you that you could not hug your granny, or a dying relative, or someone you loved in a care home how seriously do you think he believed in his advice? How seriously did he believed in a policy he imposed without recourse to parliament or an election?
Yes, that's hypocrisy, but to argue that it was his motivation for the restrictions in the first place is quite frankly absurd.
Maybe in the beginning it wasn't his motivation.
Now, it undoubtedly is. He is hanging on because he loves the power paradise we have given him.
Again, absurd. You are arguing his sole motivation for continuing the lockdown (which isn't his final decision anyway) is to have an affair.
No I am arguing that his main motivation for continuing lockdown, against mounting evidence the pandemic is over, is his exalted position. A position that would be significantly denuded were the extraordinary powers to end.
I know this because we know that whilst people were suffering under the rules he imposed, Hancock was f8cking his mistress.
And I'm arguing that is absurd. Since it isn't his final decision anyway.
159 missing, 4 dead in Miami. This will be a massive scandal.
It could have massive implications for the property market in South Florida. Building high-rise on a sand spit could turn out to be a serious mistake. Unfortunately there are hundreds of similar buildings all the way from Miami to Palm Beach.
Boris will probably be seen as strong and decisive and get a poll boost if he sacks Hancock for this - but if he doesn’t it could be the end of him
Johnson sacking somebody for philandering would lay him wide open to the charge of being a rank hypocrite.
Not at all, because the problem here is not morality but the touchy feeliness with skneknd outside his immediate household during the ‘ don’t hug granny’ era
Contemptuous lobby briefing in which No 10 refuses to answer qs on whether Hancock broke the law or ministerial code. Says the PM has accepted his apology and 'considers the matter closed' followed by half an hour of epic stonewalling https://twitter.com/JasonGroves1/status/1408402273844269057
And this is why lobby briefings aren't being televised.
Congratulations to everyone who attacked the idea of televising them. 🤦♂️
Completely O/T - but i don't suppose anyone has had any further news today in relation to DavidL? It's all very concerning if not.
Yes, was rather concerning about @DavidL. Hope he’s okay and in hospital.
Yes, that was scary
Has anyone heard from him?
I am pleased to report that tales of my demise are somewhat exaggerated. I took the advice on here last night and called 999. I spent a somewhat uncomfortable night but feel somewhat better today. Still waiting for a scan but it looks like a blood clot. Thanks very much for the concern, it was much appreciated.
Wiki says he has 3 kids, I assume are school age. That’s gonna be nasty for them.
Where is the proof that Hancock is actually bonking this lady? Many will get involved to the extent of a good snog - which is all this CCTV shows - without taking things so far as a full physical relationship. At what point does it become adultery? Before or after the people concerned have slept together? Until the mid-1960s many couples engaged in 'courtship' for years and managed to abstain from full sex until the wedding night.
The proof he broke his own covid rules is in the public domain
And he has admitted the affair
Ok - but that still begs the question as to what is meant by 'having an affair'? If it went no further than a good snog, has he committed adultery?
Who cares?
The issue is he broke his own distancing rules.
Whether he did that with his tongue or his penis isn't relevant at all.
No, the issue is his motivation for appropriating his extraordinary power, wielding it, and most importantly of all, withholding its return.
It has emerged there are powerful reasons why Matt Hancock might not want to give British people their freedoms back, over and above any issues with regard to disease.
That is the issue.
Ah, so lockdowns are nothing to do with Covid? Absurd.
Now when we get to the nub of the matter, the central office shills appear. Ask Hancock what his motivation for imposing, maintaining and above all extending lockdown was.
It was the preservation of his extraordinary power. Power he manifestly got off on.
Yes, nothing at all to do with Covid.
At the beginning, COVID. Maybe
But now......FFS grow up.
Yeah, it's all so he can keep having affairs, or something.
Well if he was f8cking his mistress while telling you you that you could not hug your granny, or a dying relative, or someone you loved in a care home how seriously do you think he believed in his advice? How seriously did he believed in a policy he imposed without recourse to parliament or an election?
Very seriously probably.
People are able to compartmentalise their own mistakes quite easily without it affecting their general views or principles.
You've still not given a reason you think as to why he wanted lockdown to be extended.
I think @contrarian's is a good point. Like we have all discussed about the fire and brimstone preachers who preach fervently against homosexuality only to find out that they themselves are homosexual.
Take a moment to ponder. He was responsible for a policy which we were told was vital to save lives and the country's assets (NHS, etc). I mean does it get more important than that?
And he ignored it. He is a person of super discipline otherwise he wouldn't be in the position he is in today (for the moment) and yet those huge concerns of national importance were, in the end, not that important for him. Should they be for us, in which case?
I think everyone agrees the hypocrisy and breaking his own rules is a serious problem.
But to pretend this shows that he doesn't actually have any reason to implement these rules? As opposed to just being a hypocrite which is bad enough?
That's conspiracy theory nonsense. The truth is bad enough.
It's more than that. If he really, really thought that people should remain socially distanced, even loved ones, parents, children, grandparents, he would not have done that because he would, in so doing, have been instrumental in spreading the virus that he told us could devastate the country.
So it is possible he thought that social distancing rules weren't absolutely vital to prevent devastation of the country.
Wiki says he has 3 kids, I assume are school age. That’s gonna be nasty for them.
Where is the proof that Hancock is actually bonking this lady? Many will get involved to the extent of a good snog - which is all this CCTV shows - without taking things so far as a full physical relationship. At what point does it become adultery? Before or after the people concerned have slept together? Until the mid-1960s many couples engaged in 'courtship' for years and managed to abstain from full sex until the wedding night.
The proof he broke his own covid rules is in the public domain
And he has admitted the affair
Ok - but that still begs the question as to what is meant by 'having an affair'? If it went no further than a good snog, has he committed adultery?
Who cares?
The issue is he broke his own distancing rules.
Whether he did that with his tongue or his penis isn't relevant at all.
No, the issue is his motivation for appropriating his extraordinary power, wielding it, and most importantly of all, withholding its return.
It has emerged there are powerful reasons why Matt Hancock might not want to give British people their freedoms back, over and above any issues with regard to disease.
That is the issue.
Ah, so lockdowns are nothing to do with Covid? Absurd.
Now when we get to the nub of the matter, the central office shills appear. Ask Hancock what his motivation for imposing, maintaining and above all extending lockdown was.
It was the preservation of his extraordinary power. Power he manifestly got off on.
Yes, nothing at all to do with Covid.
At the beginning, COVID. Maybe
But now......FFS grow up.
Yeah, it's all so he can keep having affairs, or something.
Well if he was f8cking his mistress while telling you you that you could not hug your granny, or a dying relative, or someone you loved in a care home how seriously do you think he believed in his advice? How seriously did he believed in a policy he imposed without recourse to parliament or an election?
Yes, that's hypocrisy, but to argue that it was his motivation for the restrictions in the first place is quite frankly absurd.
Maybe in the beginning it wasn't his motivation.
Now, it undoubtedly is. He is hanging on because he loves the power paradise we have given him.
Again, absurd. You are arguing his sole motivation for continuing the lockdown (which isn't his final decision anyway) is to have an affair.
No I am arguing that his main motivation for continuing lockdown, against mounting evidence the pandemic is over, is his exalted position. A position that would be significantly denuded were the extraordinary powers to end.
I know this because we know that whilst people were suffering under the rules he imposed, Hancock was f8cking his mistress.
And I'm arguing that is absurd. Since it isn't his final decision anyway.
You are arguing this is absurd with no evidence though. That's because there isn't any. The case against Hancock is overwhelming.
Ignoring the private life aspect for a moment, is the suggestion that the S o S has broken a law, or a piece of guidance? SFAICS social distancing as such (a 2 metre rule etc being utterly unenforceable) has never been against the law.
It is unlikely that a law was broken by two people lawfully in a workplace, or in other premises where they lawfully are. Unlike, say A entering the home of B when that was unlawful except for particular purposes.
(Whether the distinction is relevant will depend, I think, on how it unfolds. I should have thought survival is unlikely.)
Completely O/T - but i don't suppose anyone has had any further news today in relation to DavidL? It's all very concerning if not.
Yes, was rather concerning about @DavidL. Hope he’s okay and in hospital.
Yes, that was scary
Has anyone heard from him?
He hasn’t logged in here since 10:25 last night, so that is a little worrying
This is concerning. Does anyone here have his phone number?
I'm assuming OGH and Robert do as a requirement to sign up.
It's bonkers. We don't know each other on here, we all might have walked past each other a thousand times on the high street, and what is PB, it is an internet chat room, an anonymous one at that and yet this is extremely worrying and I feel the situation as though it was a friend.
We are friends, let's face it. We're a bunch of old gits, gathering every day in a rickety pub to exchange village gossip and well-known opinions. We have in-jokes and backstory, we have feuds and alliances, we are a weird community of characters. Virtual, but real
If a PB-er gets ill I feel it
I was genuinely sad to hear about Plato, yet I never met her
We must hope. He went to hospital. Had some tests. And is having a good, long kip under supervision, after a late, frantic night. That is what I am praying for anyway.
And his phone battery ran out. Not that updating PB would be, I hope, among his top 100 priorities.
Completely O/T - but i don't suppose anyone has had any further news today in relation to DavidL? It's all very concerning if not.
Yes, was rather concerning about @DavidL. Hope he’s okay and in hospital.
Yes, that was scary
Has anyone heard from him?
I am pleased to report that tales of my demise are somewhat exaggerated. I took the advice on here last night and called 999. I spent a somewhat uncomfortable night but feel somewhat better today. Still waiting for a scan but it looks like a blood clot. Thanks very much for the concern, it was much appreciated.
The media have this as their main story and they will not let this go
Rightly so. Boris has to sack him & will suffer in the polls/elections if he doesn’t
Bounce if he does?
Johnson should bury the hatchet with Hunt and appoint him.
The SoS for health who ignored the recommendations of the 2016 pandemic preparedness exercise?
That won't be the reason Johnson doesn't appoint him. Proper leaders (eg Mrs T) have no problem having strong subordinates. Weak leaders (eg Johnson) avoid such appointments because they make them look bad.
Oh dear, Matt Hancock. On the affair, people are a bit "am I bovvered" these days. Personally, I think that marriage vows matter, but I know I'm a bit old fashioned in that regard. Whatever. He clearly broke social distancing rules. Rules that he drew up and the rest of us have been following diligently, often at great personal sacrifice. So he should go for that. And he said he'd have sacked Ferguson for doing the same thing (although Ferguson had the good grace to resign first). So the hypocrisy of that should do for him too. Then there are the questions about putting someone on the public payroll when you have an undisclosed romantic relationship. Asking the public to bankroll his mistress, effectively. He should go for that too. So overall, I think he should definitely stay. Because every moment he's there he is harming this loathsome regime.
Completely O/T - but i don't suppose anyone has had any further news today in relation to DavidL? It's all very concerning if not.
Yes, was rather concerning about @DavidL. Hope he’s okay and in hospital.
Yes, that was scary
Has anyone heard from him?
I am pleased to report that tales of my demise are somewhat exaggerated. I took the advice on here last night and called 999. I spent a somewhat uncomfortable night but feel somewhat better today. Still waiting for a scan but it looks like a blood clot. Thanks very much for the concern, it was much appreciated.
Completely O/T - but i don't suppose anyone has had any further news today in relation to DavidL? It's all very concerning if not.
Yes, was rather concerning about @DavidL. Hope he’s okay and in hospital.
Yes, that was scary
Has anyone heard from him?
I am pleased to report that tales of my demise are somewhat exaggerated. I took the advice on here last night and called 999. I spent a somewhat uncomfortable night but feel somewhat better today. Still waiting for a scan but it looks like a blood clot. Thanks very much for the concern, it was much appreciated.
Completely O/T - but i don't suppose anyone has had any further news today in relation to DavidL? It's all very concerning if not.
Yes, was rather concerning about @DavidL. Hope he’s okay and in hospital.
Yes, that was scary
Has anyone heard from him?
I am pleased to report that tales of my demise are somewhat exaggerated. I took the advice on here last night and called 999. I spent a somewhat uncomfortable night but feel somewhat better today. Still waiting for a scan but it looks like a blood clot. Thanks very much for the concern, it was much appreciated.
Completely O/T - but i don't suppose anyone has had any further news today in relation to DavidL? It's all very concerning if not.
Yes, was rather concerning about @DavidL. Hope he’s okay and in hospital.
Yes, that was scary
Has anyone heard from him?
I am pleased to report that tales of my demise are somewhat exaggerated. I took the advice on here last night and called 999. I spent a somewhat uncomfortable night but feel somewhat better today. Still waiting for a scan but it looks like a blood clot. Thanks very much for the concern, it was much appreciated.
Wiki says he has 3 kids, I assume are school age. That’s gonna be nasty for them.
Where is the proof that Hancock is actually bonking this lady? Many will get involved to the extent of a good snog - which is all this CCTV shows - without taking things so far as a full physical relationship. At what point does it become adultery? Before or after the people concerned have slept together? Until the mid-1960s many couples engaged in 'courtship' for years and managed to abstain from full sex until the wedding night.
The proof he broke his own covid rules is in the public domain
And he has admitted the affair
Ok - but that still begs the question as to what is meant by 'having an affair'? If it went no further than a good snog, has he committed adultery?
Who cares?
The issue is he broke his own distancing rules.
Whether he did that with his tongue or his penis isn't relevant at all.
No, the issue is his motivation for appropriating his extraordinary power, wielding it, and most importantly of all, withholding its return.
It has emerged there are powerful reasons why Matt Hancock might not want to give British people their freedoms back, over and above any issues with regard to disease.
That is the issue.
Ah, so lockdowns are nothing to do with Covid? Absurd.
Now when we get to the nub of the matter, the central office shills appear. Ask Hancock what his motivation for imposing, maintaining and above all extending lockdown was.
It was the preservation of his extraordinary power. Power he manifestly got off on.
Yes, nothing at all to do with Covid.
At the beginning, COVID. Maybe
But now......FFS grow up.
Yeah, it's all so he can keep having affairs, or something.
Well if he was f8cking his mistress while telling you you that you could not hug your granny, or a dying relative, or someone you loved in a care home how seriously do you think he believed in his advice? How seriously did he believed in a policy he imposed without recourse to parliament or an election?
Very seriously probably.
People are able to compartmentalise their own mistakes quite easily without it affecting their general views or principles.
You've still not given a reason you think as to why he wanted lockdown to be extended.
I think @contrarian's is a good point. Like we have all discussed about the fire and brimstone preachers who preach fervently against homosexuality only to find out that they themselves are homosexual.
Take a moment to ponder. He was responsible for a policy which we were told was vital to save lives and the country's assets (NHS, etc). I mean does it get more important than that?
And he ignored it. He is a person of super discipline otherwise he wouldn't be in the position he is in today (for the moment) and yet those huge concerns of national importance were, in the end, not that important for him. Should they be for us, in which case?
I think everyone agrees the hypocrisy and breaking his own rules is a serious problem.
But to pretend this shows that he doesn't actually have any reason to implement these rules? As opposed to just being a hypocrite which is bad enough?
That's conspiracy theory nonsense. The truth is bad enough.
It's more than that. If he really, really thought that people should remain socially distanced, even loved ones, parents, children, grandparents, he would not have done that because he would, in so doing, have been instrumental in spreading the virus that he told us could devastate the country.
So it is possible he thought that social distancing rules weren't absolutely vital to prevent devastation of the country.
It isn;t just possible, it is probable he thought that.
He got off on making people do what he wanted. In bending them to his will. Obviously. Manifestly.
Completely O/T - but i don't suppose anyone has had any further news today in relation to DavidL? It's all very concerning if not.
Yes, was rather concerning about @DavidL. Hope he’s okay and in hospital.
Yes, that was scary
Has anyone heard from him?
I am pleased to report that tales of my demise are somewhat exaggerated. I took the advice on here last night and called 999. I spent a somewhat uncomfortable night but feel somewhat better today. Still waiting for a scan but it looks like a blood clot. Thanks very much for the concern, it was much appreciated.
Completely O/T - but i don't suppose anyone has had any further news today in relation to DavidL? It's all very concerning if not.
Yes, was rather concerning about @DavidL. Hope he’s okay and in hospital.
Yes, that was scary
Has anyone heard from him?
I am pleased to report that tales of my demise are somewhat exaggerated. I took the advice on here last night and called 999. I spent a somewhat uncomfortable night but feel somewhat better today. Still waiting for a scan but it looks like a blood clot. Thanks very much for the concern, it was much appreciated.
Very glad you're ok! And that you got the help you needed.
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Come to think of it, that could be why this story has come out
I find I don't need to understand more than that when looking at how Germany deals with Russia.
Has anyone heard from him?
I smell a NATO vs EU issue on this - the German "East Politics" grouping has always prioritised relations with Russia. Ever since the 19th cent.....
Some of the East European states think that the traditional "sacrifice for the greater good of the EU" will mean that they are the sacrifice.
The leader of the Conservative Party is a twice divorced serial adulterer.
One of the best Conservative Cabinet Ministers is the adulterer Liz Truss whom Turnip Taliban idiots like you tried to destroy before she was even an MP. As discussed on here by @bunnco our man on the spot at the time.
People like you need to join the rest of us in the 21st century.
Y Viva Espana
I suggest all PB-ers get out to Spain ASAP as a mark of respect, and to show camaraderie against the Hun. Also, the Balearics are Going Green
Hm
Prayers for David, it was a little ominous
This will be a massive scandal.
Edit:I don't think people need to relax their own morals on how they view adulterers, but it isnt the bar it used to be and that has to be acknowledged.
If it ever was.
No. Use your finger like everyone else
It's bonkers. We don't know each other on here, we all might have walked past each other a thousand times on the high street, and what is PB, it is an internet chat room, an anonymous one at that.
And yet this is extremely worrying and I feel the situation as though it was a friend.
People are able to compartmentalise their own mistakes quite easily without it affecting their general views or principles.
You've still not given a reason you think as to why he wanted lockdown to be extended.
If a PB-er gets ill I feel it
I was genuinely sad to hear about Plato, yet I never met her
They have known each other for over 20 years.
Did she become his advisor, work closely together, and then, suddenly, without any inkling or prior inclination, whatsoever, mutually decide to play tongue hockey in front of a CCTV camera?
After 2 decades of it not crossing either of their minds?
Take a moment to ponder. He was responsible for a policy which we were told was vital to save lives and the country's assets (NHS, etc). I mean does it get more important than that?
And he ignored it. He is a person of super discipline otherwise he wouldn't be in the position he is in today (for the moment) and yet those huge concerns of national importance were, in the end, not that important for him. Should they be for us, in which case?
Poor wifey. Poor kids.
Awarding taxpayer-funded non exec directorships to his mistress is probably what should bring him down.
I couldn’t give a damn about the social distancing rule breaking, tbh
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XePHj5MZaSI&t=250s
Whatever you think of his opinions, I think GG is a better debater, (as you would expect with 50 years experience).
https://twitter.com/NickBoles/status/1408395577176596480
Yes I was tempted to exclude you from the bonhomie, but no, I'd even be upset if something bad happened to a typical south Londoner like you
But to pretend this shows that he doesn't actually have any reason to implement these rules? As opposed to just being a hypocrite which is bad enough?
That's conspiracy theory nonsense. The truth is bad enough.
None much use if the whole shebang just falls down without warning.
If anyone is doing some tracing, I recall that recently he wrote his first (?) article and put his full name on the byeline.
I have to go out on a call, however.
I also have his mobile number and will buzz that later if he doesn't reply to the email.
NEW: No 10: "The Prime Minister has accepted the Health Secretary's apology and considers the matter closed".
🤨🤨🤨
https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1408402314407428096?s=19
Now, it undoubtedly is. He is hanging on because he loves the power paradise we have given him.
I did it once with a sweet Scottish girl in the corridor of an empty train back from Lewes to London: the last train on a hot summer's night
At least, we thought it was empty. But a middle-aged Indian gentleman came down the corridor, caught us at it, and politely said "Good evening" and then he walked on, entirely unfazed. Very dudely behaviour
Thankfully the actual chance of a fire in a high rise is much much less.
That is what I am praying for anyway.
At best, we will know he is OK, or not. I am sure he is fine but it is unsettling
https://twitter.com/JasonGroves1/status/1408402273844269057
Perhaps, the allure of a man who could shut down a nation, (and save it maybe) was the thing that attracted her to him? and more worrying perhaps the realisation by Hancock, that this is what was attracting her to him influenced the delay to reopening?
Am I being too cynical here?
I know this because we know that whilst people were suffering under the rules he imposed, Hancock was f8cking his mistress.
Think not sacking him is a decision that will come back to haunt the Tories. It feels like massive double standards during a period we were consistently told to “be responsible and not to take risks”
At the worst they get an extra text....
Having first told me who or what it is.
Congratulations to everyone who attacked the idea of televising them. 🤦♂️
On WhatsApp he was active a few minutes ago.
I took the advice on here last night and called 999. I spent a somewhat uncomfortable night but feel somewhat better today. Still waiting for a scan but it looks like a blood clot.
Thanks very much for the concern, it was much appreciated.
So it is possible he thought that social distancing rules weren't absolutely vital to prevent devastation of the country.
It is unlikely that a law was broken by two people lawfully in a workplace, or in other premises where they lawfully are. Unlike, say A entering the home of B when that was unlawful except for particular purposes.
(Whether the distinction is relevant will depend, I think, on how it unfolds. I should have thought survival is unlikely.)
On the affair, people are a bit "am I bovvered" these days. Personally, I think that marriage vows matter, but I know I'm a bit old fashioned in that regard. Whatever.
He clearly broke social distancing rules. Rules that he drew up and the rest of us have been following diligently, often at great personal sacrifice. So he should go for that.
And he said he'd have sacked Ferguson for doing the same thing (although Ferguson had the good grace to resign first). So the hypocrisy of that should do for him too.
Then there are the questions about putting someone on the public payroll when you have an undisclosed romantic relationship. Asking the public to bankroll his mistress, effectively. He should go for that too.
So overall, I think he should definitely stay. Because every moment he's there he is harming this loathsome regime.
“Matt Hancock appears to have been caught breaking the laws he created while having a secret relationship with an aide he appointed to a taxpayer-funded job."
https://twitter.com/REWearmouth/status/1408408440469348356
He got off on making people do what he wanted. In bending them to his will. Obviously. Manifestly.