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    AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 20,183

    More good news: whilst Covid case rates continue to climb in much of the Home Counties, all three of the Bedfordshire unitaries (where Delta hit earlier) are now on their way down. Moreover, the total number of Covid patients in the local hospital trust - updated as recently as Tuesday - is only 21, and all hospital indicators (admissions, total patients and ventilator beds) have been virtually static for the last fortnight.

    Covid deaths for the whole of Bedfordshire so far this month, using the within 28 days of a test measure, stand at 4. In a population of nearly 700,000.

    It's all immensely encouraging.

    We might be hitting the sweet spot of rising positive tests in the young and fit accelerating us towards herd immunity. That is, at least, the hope.

    Hospitalisations figures nationwide seem to be flattening out.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,675

    rcs1000 said:

    darkage said:

    kinabalu said:

    darkage said:

    another thing which I noticed is the amount of places that don't accept cash anymore. I found myself in central london with no cards on me and only cash, I was turned away from literally all of the outlets in charing cross station, the only place I could buy dinner from was marks and spencer.

    I went in to Itsu and just well how the fuck am I going to eat anything if no one accepts cash and the woman behind the counter just shrugged.

    The pandemic has killed my cash habit and I don't think it's coming back. It's been over 15 months now since I last used.
    yeah but what happens if you lose your cards (as I did). What then? Also making payment by card compulsory is a backdoor to permanent surveillance, it is a major encroachment in to freedom.
    Cards aren't compulsory but nor should accepting cash be.

    Cash is a nightmare for businesses. Insecure, at serious risk of sticky fingers, creates a risk of robberies and theft, and creates problems for transportation. Cards at least guarantee that a transaction processed sees the money reach the bank account and not be disrupted by ending in someone else's pocket instead.

    As for losing cards, that's not really much different to losing your cash. Besides you can load your cards onto your phone nowadays too, so even without your cards even if you have your phone you can still use your cards.
    With my RBS account if I lose my card/am without my card I can still withdraw cash (£150 per 24 hours) via the RBS app.
    How's that any different to if I am without my card I can still pay with any of my cards contactlessly via my Samsung Pay app?
    The moment you report your card lost/stolen it should stop working on Samsung Pay/Apple Pay/Google Pay until you receive your new card.
    That's why you should always have one totally virtual card that is only on your phone. (Or where the physical card is at home.)
    It really annoying that Privacy.com isn't in the UK. That is such a good idea, where you create all these virtual cards for online, so you can have different ones for services you use regularly and you create a one off if you are buying from a website you aren't certain about.
    Monzo allow you to do that, but only if you pay.
    How much does it cost?
    £5 per month.

    You get a lot of other perks as well.

    https://monzo.com/i/monzo-plus/
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,190

    Report on Sky has just said that Europe's Delta variant will be at 90% by the end of August and with their double dose vaccinations much lower than the UK, other than Malta, Europe is looking at a very serious situation in the Autumn

    Now I am no expert on this, but there are many on here who have really good knowledge of covid spread and I would ask is this report fair and if so, how sensible is it travelling abroad at all this year

    It is as if Merkel and Macron are attempting to close the stable door, but the horses have already gone

    The EU is around six weeks behind the UK.

    Doses per 100 people* in the EU are around 80, which is where the UK was on 12 May. They are also almost entirely Pfizer/Moderna so there is slightly quicker protection.

    So, unless you think that vaccination rates are going to collapse in the EU (and so far they've been accelerating), they will exit this about six weeks after we do.

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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,302

    rcs1000 said:

    darkage said:

    kinabalu said:

    darkage said:

    another thing which I noticed is the amount of places that don't accept cash anymore. I found myself in central london with no cards on me and only cash, I was turned away from literally all of the outlets in charing cross station, the only place I could buy dinner from was marks and spencer.

    I went in to Itsu and just well how the fuck am I going to eat anything if no one accepts cash and the woman behind the counter just shrugged.

    The pandemic has killed my cash habit and I don't think it's coming back. It's been over 15 months now since I last used.
    yeah but what happens if you lose your cards (as I did). What then? Also making payment by card compulsory is a backdoor to permanent surveillance, it is a major encroachment in to freedom.
    Cards aren't compulsory but nor should accepting cash be.

    Cash is a nightmare for businesses. Insecure, at serious risk of sticky fingers, creates a risk of robberies and theft, and creates problems for transportation. Cards at least guarantee that a transaction processed sees the money reach the bank account and not be disrupted by ending in someone else's pocket instead.

    As for losing cards, that's not really much different to losing your cash. Besides you can load your cards onto your phone nowadays too, so even without your cards even if you have your phone you can still use your cards.
    With my RBS account if I lose my card/am without my card I can still withdraw cash (£150 per 24 hours) via the RBS app.
    How's that any different to if I am without my card I can still pay with any of my cards contactlessly via my Samsung Pay app?
    The moment you report your card lost/stolen it should stop working on Samsung Pay/Apple Pay/Google Pay until you receive your new card.
    That's why you should always have one totally virtual card that is only on your phone. (Or where the physical card is at home.)
    It really annoying that Privacy.com isn't in the UK. That is such a good idea, where you create all these virtual cards for online, so you can have different ones for services you use regularly and you create a one off if you are buying from a website you aren't certain about.
    Monzo allow you to do that, but only if you pay.
    How much does it cost?
    £5 per month.

    You get a lot of other perks as well.

    https://monzo.com/i/monzo-plus/
    Cheers, I will take a look.
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    Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905

    Report on Sky has just said that Europe's Delta variant will be at 90% by the end of August and with their double dose vaccinations much lower than the UK, other than Malta, Europe is looking at a very serious situation in the Autumn

    Now I am no expert on this, but there are many on here who have really good knowledge of covid spread and I would ask is this report fair and if so, how sensible is it travelling abroad at all this year

    It is as if Merkel and Macron are attempting to close the stable door, but the horses have already gone

    Perhaps the first question to ask is whether or not it'll take as long as another two-and-a-half months for Delta to take over in at least some of the EU countries?
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    AnExileinD4AnExileinD4 Posts: 337
    edited June 2021

    darkage said:

    kinabalu said:

    darkage said:

    another thing which I noticed is the amount of places that don't accept cash anymore. I found myself in central london with no cards on me and only cash, I was turned away from literally all of the outlets in charing cross station, the only place I could buy dinner from was marks and spencer.

    I went in to Itsu and just well how the fuck am I going to eat anything if no one accepts cash and the woman behind the counter just shrugged.

    The pandemic has killed my cash habit and I don't think it's coming back. It's been over 15 months now since I last used.
    yeah but what happens if you lose your cards (as I did). What then? Also making payment by card compulsory is a backdoor to permanent surveillance, it is a major encroachment in to freedom.
    Cards aren't compulsory but nor should accepting cash be.

    Cash is a nightmare for businesses. Insecure, at serious risk of sticky fingers, creates a risk of robberies and theft, and creates problems for transportation. Cards at least guarantee that a transaction processed sees the money reach the bank account and not be disrupted by ending in someone else's pocket instead.

    As for losing cards, that's not really much different to losing your cash. Besides you can load your cards onto your phone nowadays too, so even without your cards even if you have your phone you can still use your cards.
    With my RBS account if I lose my card/am without my card I can still withdraw cash (£150 per 24 hours) via the RBS app.
    How's that any different to if I am without my card I can still pay with any of my cards contactlessly via my Samsung Pay app?
    The moment you report your card lost/stolen it should stop working on Samsung Pay/Apple Pay/Google Pay until you receive your new card.
    Why not just leave one card at home at all times so that even if you lose the ones with you the card that is safe can still be used from your watch without any need to panic? I tend not to carry cards at all now, mind you. Watch and £10.
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    Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 60,448
    RobD said:

    Good news, everyone. The British Antarctic Territory has been added to the safe travel list for NI (and presumably England). What better place to spend August? ;)

    It is quite the most magnificent continent to visit and my wife and I feel very privileged to have spent time there with various landings

    Though August is winter and no daylight
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    algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 10,650
    Murphy's great principle suggests that the buyer should always be prepared to pay in a good number of the possible ways and that the seller should accept payment ditto.

    Either no cash (getting more frequent) or cash only (it still exists) is going to be victim to the principle.

    Occasionally a scrawled notice will go up on a petrol station "cash only" as the electronics fails.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,524

    RobD said:

    Good news, everyone. The British Antarctic Territory has been added to the safe travel list for NI (and presumably England). What better place to spend August? ;)

    It is quite the most magnificent continent to visit and my wife and I feel very privileged to have spent time there with various landings

    Though August is winter and no daylight
    I’m told the great thing about the area is that when you fancy a chocolate, you can just pick one up.

    After all, the area is full of Penguins.
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    Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 60,448
    ydoethur said:

    RobD said:

    Good news, everyone. The British Antarctic Territory has been added to the safe travel list for NI (and presumably England). What better place to spend August? ;)

    It is quite the most magnificent continent to visit and my wife and I feel very privileged to have spent time there with various landings

    Though August is winter and no daylight
    I’m told the great thing about the area is that when you fancy a chocolate, you can just pick one up.

    After all, the area is full of Penguins.
    And you smell them before you hear them
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    RobDRobD Posts: 59,022

    Report on Sky has just said that Europe's Delta variant will be at 90% by the end of August and with their double dose vaccinations much lower than the UK, other than Malta, Europe is looking at a very serious situation in the Autumn

    Now I am no expert on this, but there are many on here who have really good knowledge of covid spread and I would ask is this report fair and if so, how sensible is it travelling abroad at all this year

    It is as if Merkel and Macron are attempting to close the stable door, but the horses have already gone

    Perhaps the first question to ask is whether or not it'll take as long as another two-and-a-half months for Delta to take over in at least some of the EU countries?
    It happens very quickly:

    https://www.ft.com/content/d4abbe5e-8650-4a76-9fea-2d3efa2ed52b
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,675

    rcs1000 said:

    darkage said:

    kinabalu said:

    darkage said:

    another thing which I noticed is the amount of places that don't accept cash anymore. I found myself in central london with no cards on me and only cash, I was turned away from literally all of the outlets in charing cross station, the only place I could buy dinner from was marks and spencer.

    I went in to Itsu and just well how the fuck am I going to eat anything if no one accepts cash and the woman behind the counter just shrugged.

    The pandemic has killed my cash habit and I don't think it's coming back. It's been over 15 months now since I last used.
    yeah but what happens if you lose your cards (as I did). What then? Also making payment by card compulsory is a backdoor to permanent surveillance, it is a major encroachment in to freedom.
    Cards aren't compulsory but nor should accepting cash be.

    Cash is a nightmare for businesses. Insecure, at serious risk of sticky fingers, creates a risk of robberies and theft, and creates problems for transportation. Cards at least guarantee that a transaction processed sees the money reach the bank account and not be disrupted by ending in someone else's pocket instead.

    As for losing cards, that's not really much different to losing your cash. Besides you can load your cards onto your phone nowadays too, so even without your cards even if you have your phone you can still use your cards.
    With my RBS account if I lose my card/am without my card I can still withdraw cash (£150 per 24 hours) via the RBS app.
    How's that any different to if I am without my card I can still pay with any of my cards contactlessly via my Samsung Pay app?
    The moment you report your card lost/stolen it should stop working on Samsung Pay/Apple Pay/Google Pay until you receive your new card.
    That's why you should always have one totally virtual card that is only on your phone. (Or where the physical card is at home.)
    It really annoying that Privacy.com isn't in the UK. That is such a good idea, where you create all these virtual cards for online, so you can have different ones for services you use regularly and you create a one off if you are buying from a website you aren't certain about.
    Monzo allow you to do that, but only if you pay.
    How much does it cost?
    £5 per month.

    You get a lot of other perks as well.

    https://monzo.com/i/monzo-plus/
    Cheers, I will take a look.
    I do know that at least one traditional high street banking group is planning on launching something similar but not until H2 of 2022 at the earliest.
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    another_richardanother_richard Posts: 25,149

    Feeling a bit depressed by stats today - can someone help me?

    UK 7 day cases up by 44%, deaths up by 32%, hospitalisations up by 17%. On what basis does anyone expect the lockdown restrictions to ease in a few weeks time? ☹️

    Don't look at the national picture look how things have progressed in Bolton, Blackburn and Bedford.

    It is very encouraging.

    And if you want hospitalisations here's England recent numbers:

    22/06 182
    21/06 181
    20/06 171
    19/06 178
    18/06 185
    17/06 202
    16/06 177
    15/06 188
    14/06 185
    13/06 187

    About 5% of January's.
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    Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 60,448
    rcs1000 said:

    Report on Sky has just said that Europe's Delta variant will be at 90% by the end of August and with their double dose vaccinations much lower than the UK, other than Malta, Europe is looking at a very serious situation in the Autumn

    Now I am no expert on this, but there are many on here who have really good knowledge of covid spread and I would ask is this report fair and if so, how sensible is it travelling abroad at all this year

    It is as if Merkel and Macron are attempting to close the stable door, but the horses have already gone

    The EU is around six weeks behind the UK.

    Doses per 100 people* in the EU are around 80, which is where the UK was on 12 May. They are also almost entirely Pfizer/Moderna so there is slightly quicker protection.

    So, unless you think that vaccination rates are going to collapse in the EU (and so far they've been accelerating), they will exit this about six weeks after we do.

    To be fair I am not knowledgeable enough, it was Sky's reporter who was using charts and sounding very concerned
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,302

    rcs1000 said:

    darkage said:

    kinabalu said:

    darkage said:

    another thing which I noticed is the amount of places that don't accept cash anymore. I found myself in central london with no cards on me and only cash, I was turned away from literally all of the outlets in charing cross station, the only place I could buy dinner from was marks and spencer.

    I went in to Itsu and just well how the fuck am I going to eat anything if no one accepts cash and the woman behind the counter just shrugged.

    The pandemic has killed my cash habit and I don't think it's coming back. It's been over 15 months now since I last used.
    yeah but what happens if you lose your cards (as I did). What then? Also making payment by card compulsory is a backdoor to permanent surveillance, it is a major encroachment in to freedom.
    Cards aren't compulsory but nor should accepting cash be.

    Cash is a nightmare for businesses. Insecure, at serious risk of sticky fingers, creates a risk of robberies and theft, and creates problems for transportation. Cards at least guarantee that a transaction processed sees the money reach the bank account and not be disrupted by ending in someone else's pocket instead.

    As for losing cards, that's not really much different to losing your cash. Besides you can load your cards onto your phone nowadays too, so even without your cards even if you have your phone you can still use your cards.
    With my RBS account if I lose my card/am without my card I can still withdraw cash (£150 per 24 hours) via the RBS app.
    How's that any different to if I am without my card I can still pay with any of my cards contactlessly via my Samsung Pay app?
    The moment you report your card lost/stolen it should stop working on Samsung Pay/Apple Pay/Google Pay until you receive your new card.
    That's why you should always have one totally virtual card that is only on your phone. (Or where the physical card is at home.)
    It really annoying that Privacy.com isn't in the UK. That is such a good idea, where you create all these virtual cards for online, so you can have different ones for services you use regularly and you create a one off if you are buying from a website you aren't certain about.
    Monzo allow you to do that, but only if you pay.
    How much does it cost?
    £5 per month.

    You get a lot of other perks as well.

    https://monzo.com/i/monzo-plus/
    Cheers, I will take a look.
    I do know that at least one traditional high street banking group is planning on launching something similar but not until H2 of 2022 at the earliest.
    It really is such an obvious service to offer and one which i am sure most people would love to have. I presume some sort of regulations mean privacy haven't launched here.
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    TazTaz Posts: 11,381

    maaarsh said:

    Sri Lanka choosing to bat first was always going to short change spectators and this is setting up to be a men against boys waste of time.

    Sri Lanka aren't very good are they.
    The Scotland of cricket.
    They used to be a terrific side for many years. Clearly lost their way.
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    RogerRoger Posts: 18,921
    edited June 2021
    JohnO said:

    Roger said:

    Just seen an interview with George Galloway on Ch4 News. He was extremely rude to his female interviewer before telling her to get off his bus. Horrible man!

    He probably do well.

    Wait a sec. Weren’t you singing his praises this very morn as someone who would speak up for Palestinians in Parliament?
    Good to see you recovered and firing on both cylinders!

    Yes I did. I'd forgotten what a creepy man he is. Quite chilling. Being kicked off a bus by the conductor is bad enough but by Galloway in front of the TV cameras must have been extremely embarrassing.
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    Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 60,448

    Report on Sky has just said that Europe's Delta variant will be at 90% by the end of August and with their double dose vaccinations much lower than the UK, other than Malta, Europe is looking at a very serious situation in the Autumn

    Now I am no expert on this, but there are many on here who have really good knowledge of covid spread and I would ask is this report fair and if so, how sensible is it travelling abroad at all this year

    It is as if Merkel and Macron are attempting to close the stable door, but the horses have already gone

    Perhaps the first question to ask is whether or not it'll take as long as another two-and-a-half months for Delta to take over in at least some of the EU countries?
    Good point
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,675

    darkage said:

    kinabalu said:

    darkage said:

    another thing which I noticed is the amount of places that don't accept cash anymore. I found myself in central london with no cards on me and only cash, I was turned away from literally all of the outlets in charing cross station, the only place I could buy dinner from was marks and spencer.

    I went in to Itsu and just well how the fuck am I going to eat anything if no one accepts cash and the woman behind the counter just shrugged.

    The pandemic has killed my cash habit and I don't think it's coming back. It's been over 15 months now since I last used.
    yeah but what happens if you lose your cards (as I did). What then? Also making payment by card compulsory is a backdoor to permanent surveillance, it is a major encroachment in to freedom.
    Cards aren't compulsory but nor should accepting cash be.

    Cash is a nightmare for businesses. Insecure, at serious risk of sticky fingers, creates a risk of robberies and theft, and creates problems for transportation. Cards at least guarantee that a transaction processed sees the money reach the bank account and not be disrupted by ending in someone else's pocket instead.

    As for losing cards, that's not really much different to losing your cash. Besides you can load your cards onto your phone nowadays too, so even without your cards even if you have your phone you can still use your cards.
    With my RBS account if I lose my card/am without my card I can still withdraw cash (£150 per 24 hours) via the RBS app.
    How's that any different to if I am without my card I can still pay with any of my cards contactlessly via my Samsung Pay app?
    The moment you report your card lost/stolen it should stop working on Samsung Pay/Apple Pay/Google Pay until you receive your new card.
    Why not just leave one card at home at all times so that even if you lose the ones with you the card that is safe can still be used from your watch without any need to panic? I tend not to carry cards at all now, mind you. Watch and £10.
    That's what I do.
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    AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 20,183
    rcs1000 said:

    Report on Sky has just said that Europe's Delta variant will be at 90% by the end of August and with their double dose vaccinations much lower than the UK, other than Malta, Europe is looking at a very serious situation in the Autumn

    Now I am no expert on this, but there are many on here who have really good knowledge of covid spread and I would ask is this report fair and if so, how sensible is it travelling abroad at all this year

    It is as if Merkel and Macron are attempting to close the stable door, but the horses have already gone

    The EU is around six weeks behind the UK.

    Doses per 100 people* in the EU are around 80, which is where the UK was on 12 May. They are also almost entirely Pfizer/Moderna so there is slightly quicker protection.

    So, unless you think that vaccination rates are going to collapse in the EU (and so far they've been accelerating), they will exit this about six weeks after we do.

    One of the most frustrating things about the modellers and the media is their seeming inability to adjust for vaccination. This has been going on for months now.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,190

    Report on Sky has just said that Europe's Delta variant will be at 90% by the end of August and with their double dose vaccinations much lower than the UK, other than Malta, Europe is looking at a very serious situation in the Autumn

    Now I am no expert on this, but there are many on here who have really good knowledge of covid spread and I would ask is this report fair and if so, how sensible is it travelling abroad at all this year

    It is as if Merkel and Macron are attempting to close the stable door, but the horses have already gone

    Perhaps the first question to ask is whether or not it'll take as long as another two-and-a-half months for Delta to take over in at least some of the EU countries?
    Delta is obviously accelerating in the EU. It's massively more transmissible, and therefore will race through unvaccinated populations.

    The EU is also behind the UK for vaccination rates.

    But against that, the EU had far less seeding of Delta than the UK. There are no EU countries in the top 25 list of India diasporas. So, they started at lower levels. And the EU is vaccinating pretty quick right now. The last two weeks saw them do 28 million jabs in arms, and the bloc is at around 80 doses per 100 people, which is where the UK was about six weeks ago.

    So, my guess is that the EU will see a very similar experience to us in a few weeks time, with Delta racing through unvaccinated populations, but it having only a relatively modest effect on hospitalisations.
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    BigRichBigRich Posts: 3,489

    Report on Sky has just said that Europe's Delta variant will be at 90% by the end of August and with their double dose vaccinations much lower than the UK, other than Malta, Europe is looking at a very serious situation in the Autumn

    Now I am no expert on this, but there are many on here who have really good knowledge of covid spread and I would ask is this report fair and if so, how sensible is it travelling abroad at all this year

    It is as if Merkel and Macron are attempting to close the stable door, but the horses have already gone

    I also am no expert but the way I see it:

    At the rate they are vaccinating, they will probably be OK. As in they are only about 4 or 9 weeks behind the UK, depending on whether you look at first or second doses, and are putting more jabs in arms more rapidly that we are/where. and most of EU is I would think 6 or 8 weeks behind in terms of Delta. it will also i expect be clear form the UK that Delta will crat a lot of extra cases, but not so much hospitalisations, so little to be gained by expending lockdowns.

    Caveats:

    1) Some parts of the EU are ahead with Delta, the Iberian peninsula and Scandinavia, both may get more badly hit.

    2) With more elderly people refusing the vaccine in some Eu nations, there could be a slightly bigger death tole,
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    another_richardanother_richard Posts: 25,149
    rcs1000 said:

    Report on Sky has just said that Europe's Delta variant will be at 90% by the end of August and with their double dose vaccinations much lower than the UK, other than Malta, Europe is looking at a very serious situation in the Autumn

    Now I am no expert on this, but there are many on here who have really good knowledge of covid spread and I would ask is this report fair and if so, how sensible is it travelling abroad at all this year

    It is as if Merkel and Macron are attempting to close the stable door, but the horses have already gone

    The EU is around six weeks behind the UK.

    Doses per 100 people* in the EU are around 80, which is where the UK was on 12 May. They are also almost entirely Pfizer/Moderna so there is slightly quicker protection.

    So, unless you think that vaccination rates are going to collapse in the EU (and so far they've been accelerating), they will exit this about six weeks after we do.

    There's a big difference in vaccination levels between different EU countries.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,675

    rcs1000 said:

    darkage said:

    kinabalu said:

    darkage said:

    another thing which I noticed is the amount of places that don't accept cash anymore. I found myself in central london with no cards on me and only cash, I was turned away from literally all of the outlets in charing cross station, the only place I could buy dinner from was marks and spencer.

    I went in to Itsu and just well how the fuck am I going to eat anything if no one accepts cash and the woman behind the counter just shrugged.

    The pandemic has killed my cash habit and I don't think it's coming back. It's been over 15 months now since I last used.
    yeah but what happens if you lose your cards (as I did). What then? Also making payment by card compulsory is a backdoor to permanent surveillance, it is a major encroachment in to freedom.
    Cards aren't compulsory but nor should accepting cash be.

    Cash is a nightmare for businesses. Insecure, at serious risk of sticky fingers, creates a risk of robberies and theft, and creates problems for transportation. Cards at least guarantee that a transaction processed sees the money reach the bank account and not be disrupted by ending in someone else's pocket instead.

    As for losing cards, that's not really much different to losing your cash. Besides you can load your cards onto your phone nowadays too, so even without your cards even if you have your phone you can still use your cards.
    With my RBS account if I lose my card/am without my card I can still withdraw cash (£150 per 24 hours) via the RBS app.
    How's that any different to if I am without my card I can still pay with any of my cards contactlessly via my Samsung Pay app?
    The moment you report your card lost/stolen it should stop working on Samsung Pay/Apple Pay/Google Pay until you receive your new card.
    That's why you should always have one totally virtual card that is only on your phone. (Or where the physical card is at home.)
    It really annoying that Privacy.com isn't in the UK. That is such a good idea, where you create all these virtual cards for online, so you can have different ones for services you use regularly and you create a one off if you are buying from a website you aren't certain about.
    Monzo allow you to do that, but only if you pay.
    How much does it cost?
    £5 per month.

    You get a lot of other perks as well.

    https://monzo.com/i/monzo-plus/
    Cheers, I will take a look.
    I do know that at least one traditional high street banking group is planning on launching something similar but not until H2 of 2022 at the earliest.
    It really is such an obvious service to offer and one which i am sure most people would love to have. I presume some sort of regulations mean privacy haven't launched here.
    A bit of regulation the major issue is a lot of banks are switching from VISA to Mastercard for both debit cards and credit cards (and going exclusive on the latter.)

    Once that is sorted virtual cards should be easier to launch and deal with.
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    Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 60,448

    rcs1000 said:

    Report on Sky has just said that Europe's Delta variant will be at 90% by the end of August and with their double dose vaccinations much lower than the UK, other than Malta, Europe is looking at a very serious situation in the Autumn

    Now I am no expert on this, but there are many on here who have really good knowledge of covid spread and I would ask is this report fair and if so, how sensible is it travelling abroad at all this year

    It is as if Merkel and Macron are attempting to close the stable door, but the horses have already gone

    The EU is around six weeks behind the UK.

    Doses per 100 people* in the EU are around 80, which is where the UK was on 12 May. They are also almost entirely Pfizer/Moderna so there is slightly quicker protection.

    So, unless you think that vaccination rates are going to collapse in the EU (and so far they've been accelerating), they will exit this about six weeks after we do.

    One of the most frustrating things about the modellers and the media is their seeming inability to adjust for vaccination. This has been going on for months now.
    This report was looking at Europe's double dose vaccination rates
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,190

    rcs1000 said:

    Report on Sky has just said that Europe's Delta variant will be at 90% by the end of August and with their double dose vaccinations much lower than the UK, other than Malta, Europe is looking at a very serious situation in the Autumn

    Now I am no expert on this, but there are many on here who have really good knowledge of covid spread and I would ask is this report fair and if so, how sensible is it travelling abroad at all this year

    It is as if Merkel and Macron are attempting to close the stable door, but the horses have already gone

    The EU is around six weeks behind the UK.

    Doses per 100 people* in the EU are around 80, which is where the UK was on 12 May. They are also almost entirely Pfizer/Moderna so there is slightly quicker protection.

    So, unless you think that vaccination rates are going to collapse in the EU (and so far they've been accelerating), they will exit this about six weeks after we do.

    To be fair I am not knowledgeable enough, it was Sky's reporter who was using charts and sounding very concerned
    The Sky lady could just go to https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/covid-vaccination-doses-per-capita to see exactly how far behind various countries are.

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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,302

    rcs1000 said:

    darkage said:

    kinabalu said:

    darkage said:

    another thing which I noticed is the amount of places that don't accept cash anymore. I found myself in central london with no cards on me and only cash, I was turned away from literally all of the outlets in charing cross station, the only place I could buy dinner from was marks and spencer.

    I went in to Itsu and just well how the fuck am I going to eat anything if no one accepts cash and the woman behind the counter just shrugged.

    The pandemic has killed my cash habit and I don't think it's coming back. It's been over 15 months now since I last used.
    yeah but what happens if you lose your cards (as I did). What then? Also making payment by card compulsory is a backdoor to permanent surveillance, it is a major encroachment in to freedom.
    Cards aren't compulsory but nor should accepting cash be.

    Cash is a nightmare for businesses. Insecure, at serious risk of sticky fingers, creates a risk of robberies and theft, and creates problems for transportation. Cards at least guarantee that a transaction processed sees the money reach the bank account and not be disrupted by ending in someone else's pocket instead.

    As for losing cards, that's not really much different to losing your cash. Besides you can load your cards onto your phone nowadays too, so even without your cards even if you have your phone you can still use your cards.
    With my RBS account if I lose my card/am without my card I can still withdraw cash (£150 per 24 hours) via the RBS app.
    How's that any different to if I am without my card I can still pay with any of my cards contactlessly via my Samsung Pay app?
    The moment you report your card lost/stolen it should stop working on Samsung Pay/Apple Pay/Google Pay until you receive your new card.
    That's why you should always have one totally virtual card that is only on your phone. (Or where the physical card is at home.)
    It really annoying that Privacy.com isn't in the UK. That is such a good idea, where you create all these virtual cards for online, so you can have different ones for services you use regularly and you create a one off if you are buying from a website you aren't certain about.
    Monzo allow you to do that, but only if you pay.
    How much does it cost?
    £5 per month.

    You get a lot of other perks as well.

    https://monzo.com/i/monzo-plus/
    Cheers, I will take a look.
    I do know that at least one traditional high street banking group is planning on launching something similar but not until H2 of 2022 at the earliest.
    It really is such an obvious service to offer and one which i am sure most people would love to have. I presume some sort of regulations mean privacy haven't launched here.
    A bit of regulation the major issue is a lot of banks are switching from VISA to Mastercard for both debit cards and credit cards (and going exclusive on the latter.)

    Once that is sorted virtual cards should be easier to launch and deal with.
    What's the deal with the switch from visa to MasterCard?
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    LeonLeon Posts: 47,688
    My older daughter, all of15, just schooled me on the use of non-binary pronouns
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    GB News wonderful interview at the moment
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    Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 60,448
    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Report on Sky has just said that Europe's Delta variant will be at 90% by the end of August and with their double dose vaccinations much lower than the UK, other than Malta, Europe is looking at a very serious situation in the Autumn

    Now I am no expert on this, but there are many on here who have really good knowledge of covid spread and I would ask is this report fair and if so, how sensible is it travelling abroad at all this year

    It is as if Merkel and Macron are attempting to close the stable door, but the horses have already gone

    The EU is around six weeks behind the UK.

    Doses per 100 people* in the EU are around 80, which is where the UK was on 12 May. They are also almost entirely Pfizer/Moderna so there is slightly quicker protection.

    So, unless you think that vaccination rates are going to collapse in the EU (and so far they've been accelerating), they will exit this about six weeks after we do.

    To be fair I am not knowledgeable enough, it was Sky's reporter who was using charts and sounding very concerned
    The Sky lady could just go to https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/covid-vaccination-doses-per-capita to see exactly how far behind various countries are.

    Actually it was a male presenter and his charts seemed authentic but I cannot really comment as I am not an expert on Europe's vaccination rates
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    stodgestodge Posts: 12,917
    Alistair said:

    BigRich said:


    Thanks for your weekly update, hoping the number do speed up,

    Just wondering has Newham, been badly hit in any of the earlier waves? if so it could be that many of the unvaccinated have some immunity?

    Yes, Newham got absolutely smashed in the January wave. Absolutely crushed.
    Did it? Can't say I remember that - can you provide some figures please?

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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    AN: “but if you do that it will lead to an economic slump and destitution”

    Extinction Rebellion : “Yes”

    AN: “what?”

    ER: “I’m not disagreeing with you”
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,190

    rcs1000 said:

    Report on Sky has just said that Europe's Delta variant will be at 90% by the end of August and with their double dose vaccinations much lower than the UK, other than Malta, Europe is looking at a very serious situation in the Autumn

    Now I am no expert on this, but there are many on here who have really good knowledge of covid spread and I would ask is this report fair and if so, how sensible is it travelling abroad at all this year

    It is as if Merkel and Macron are attempting to close the stable door, but the horses have already gone

    The EU is around six weeks behind the UK.

    Doses per 100 people* in the EU are around 80, which is where the UK was on 12 May. They are also almost entirely Pfizer/Moderna so there is slightly quicker protection.

    So, unless you think that vaccination rates are going to collapse in the EU (and so far they've been accelerating), they will exit this about six weeks after we do.

    One of the most frustrating things about the modellers and the media is their seeming inability to adjust for vaccination. This has been going on for months now.
    This report was looking at Europe's double dose vaccination rates
    The only sensible way to look at it is total vaccinations per capita, because different countries have different strategies. So, Finland (for example) is massively prioritising first doses, with the consequence they have 68.7% of adults with at least one, but only 19.2% with both.

    By contrast, the Spanish have twice the number of people double vaccinated, but many fewer with a first dose.

    Ultimately, so long as the doses keep arriving and getting put into peoples' arms, then the EU will exit this five to six weeks after the UK.
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    RogerRoger Posts: 18,921

    On topic, bring back the birch or the death penalty for antivaxxers.

    Either will do, they should not be allowed to hold the rest of society back.

    Didn’t see you as a racist.
    Absolutely, my house is adorned with portraits of Nick Griffin and Enoch Powell.
    Couldn't you find space for Maggie?
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,190
    Leon said:

    My older daughter, all of15, just schooled me on the use of non-binary pronouns

    I think the simple - non-sexist, non-transphobic - solution to this is that we have different pronouns for people between the ages of 12 and 24. They should all be referred to as "it".
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    OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 15,203

    maaarsh said:

    Sri Lanka choosing to bat first was always going to short change spectators and this is setting up to be a men against boys waste of time.

    Sri Lanka aren't very good are they.
    The Scotland of cricket.
    Bit harsh. Sri Lanka has won as many cricket World cups as England.
    Much better food and weather than Scotland too.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,302
    edited June 2021
    Charles said:

    AN: “but if you do that it will lead to an economic slump and destitution”

    Extinction Rebellion : “Yes”

    AN: “what?”

    ER: “I’m not disagreeing with you”

    XR top people are very open about things, XR isn't about saving the planet, it is about destroying the whole capitalist system. Returning to a world of self sufficiency, communal manual labour and bartering.
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    TazTaz Posts: 11,381
    Leon said:

    My older daughter, all of15, just schooled me on the use of non-binary pronouns

    Lovely stuff.

    My pronouns are eff and off.
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    Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 60,448
    Charles said:

    GB News wonderful interview at the moment

    I read somewhere their viewing figures are 26% more than the BBC and 3 times Sky
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,524
    Charles said:

    AN: “but if you do that it will lead to an economic slump and destitution”

    Extinction Rebellion : “Yes”

    AN: “what?”

    ER: “I’m not disagreeing with you”

    Why would anyone be surprised? That’s their stated aim.

    Albeit I’ve always had a sneaking suspicion that its founders, a bankrupt farmer and a failed academic, were rather anxious for money themselves...
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,675

    rcs1000 said:

    darkage said:

    kinabalu said:

    darkage said:

    another thing which I noticed is the amount of places that don't accept cash anymore. I found myself in central london with no cards on me and only cash, I was turned away from literally all of the outlets in charing cross station, the only place I could buy dinner from was marks and spencer.

    I went in to Itsu and just well how the fuck am I going to eat anything if no one accepts cash and the woman behind the counter just shrugged.

    The pandemic has killed my cash habit and I don't think it's coming back. It's been over 15 months now since I last used.
    yeah but what happens if you lose your cards (as I did). What then? Also making payment by card compulsory is a backdoor to permanent surveillance, it is a major encroachment in to freedom.
    Cards aren't compulsory but nor should accepting cash be.

    Cash is a nightmare for businesses. Insecure, at serious risk of sticky fingers, creates a risk of robberies and theft, and creates problems for transportation. Cards at least guarantee that a transaction processed sees the money reach the bank account and not be disrupted by ending in someone else's pocket instead.

    As for losing cards, that's not really much different to losing your cash. Besides you can load your cards onto your phone nowadays too, so even without your cards even if you have your phone you can still use your cards.
    With my RBS account if I lose my card/am without my card I can still withdraw cash (£150 per 24 hours) via the RBS app.
    How's that any different to if I am without my card I can still pay with any of my cards contactlessly via my Samsung Pay app?
    The moment you report your card lost/stolen it should stop working on Samsung Pay/Apple Pay/Google Pay until you receive your new card.
    That's why you should always have one totally virtual card that is only on your phone. (Or where the physical card is at home.)
    It really annoying that Privacy.com isn't in the UK. That is such a good idea, where you create all these virtual cards for online, so you can have different ones for services you use regularly and you create a one off if you are buying from a website you aren't certain about.
    Monzo allow you to do that, but only if you pay.
    How much does it cost?
    £5 per month.

    You get a lot of other perks as well.

    https://monzo.com/i/monzo-plus/
    Cheers, I will take a look.
    I do know that at least one traditional high street banking group is planning on launching something similar but not until H2 of 2022 at the earliest.
    It really is such an obvious service to offer and one which i am sure most people would love to have. I presume some sort of regulations mean privacy haven't launched here.
    A bit of regulation the major issue is a lot of banks are switching from VISA to Mastercard for both debit cards and credit cards (and going exclusive on the latter.)

    Once that is sorted virtual cards should be easier to launch and deal with.
    What's the deal with the switch from visa to MasterCard?
    Money (Mastercard are offering lower transaction fees than VISA) and the fact Mastercard want to be even more high profile.

    They like to sponsor events then offer free tickets for card users.

    Mastercard have gone aggressively in the UK, they've got Santander (who have moved over), TSB (who will move over soon but are still recovering from the systems failure in 2018).

    There's a couple of others who will move over soon, I think the pandemic has put things on hold.
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    ER: “in 90% of circumstances your viewers will think I’m mad”

    AN chuckles

    ER: “ but that’s why you’ve got me on here”
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,190

    rcs1000 said:

    Report on Sky has just said that Europe's Delta variant will be at 90% by the end of August and with their double dose vaccinations much lower than the UK, other than Malta, Europe is looking at a very serious situation in the Autumn

    Now I am no expert on this, but there are many on here who have really good knowledge of covid spread and I would ask is this report fair and if so, how sensible is it travelling abroad at all this year

    It is as if Merkel and Macron are attempting to close the stable door, but the horses have already gone

    The EU is around six weeks behind the UK.

    Doses per 100 people* in the EU are around 80, which is where the UK was on 12 May. They are also almost entirely Pfizer/Moderna so there is slightly quicker protection.

    So, unless you think that vaccination rates are going to collapse in the EU (and so far they've been accelerating), they will exit this about six weeks after we do.

    There's a big difference in vaccination levels between different EU countries.
    There are chunks of Eastern Europe - Bulgaria and Romania in particular - who are massively behind the curve. Albeit they have relatively small populations.

    Does anyone know why?
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    another_richardanother_richard Posts: 25,149
    rcs1000 said:

    Report on Sky has just said that Europe's Delta variant will be at 90% by the end of August and with their double dose vaccinations much lower than the UK, other than Malta, Europe is looking at a very serious situation in the Autumn

    Now I am no expert on this, but there are many on here who have really good knowledge of covid spread and I would ask is this report fair and if so, how sensible is it travelling abroad at all this year

    It is as if Merkel and Macron are attempting to close the stable door, but the horses have already gone

    Perhaps the first question to ask is whether or not it'll take as long as another two-and-a-half months for Delta to take over in at least some of the EU countries?
    Delta is obviously accelerating in the EU. It's massively more transmissible, and therefore will race through unvaccinated populations.

    The EU is also behind the UK for vaccination rates.

    But against that, the EU had far less seeding of Delta than the UK. There are no EU countries in the top 25 list of India diasporas. So, they started at lower levels. And the EU is vaccinating pretty quick right now. The last two weeks saw them do 28 million jabs in arms, and the bloc is at around 80 doses per 100 people, which is where the UK was about six weeks ago.

    So, my guess is that the EU will see a very similar experience to us in a few weeks time, with Delta racing through unvaccinated populations, but it having only a relatively modest effect on hospitalisations.
    That depends on the number of anti-vaxxers per country.

    Notice that Scotland has been hit much harder by Delta than England - not because it has more anti-vaxxers but because it had a lower level of acquired immunity from previous waves.

    A 10% difference in protection could make a lot of difference in how various European countries are affected by Delta.
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    LeonLeon Posts: 47,688
    rcs1000 said:

    Report on Sky has just said that Europe's Delta variant will be at 90% by the end of August and with their double dose vaccinations much lower than the UK, other than Malta, Europe is looking at a very serious situation in the Autumn

    Now I am no expert on this, but there are many on here who have really good knowledge of covid spread and I would ask is this report fair and if so, how sensible is it travelling abroad at all this year

    It is as if Merkel and Macron are attempting to close the stable door, but the horses have already gone

    The EU is around six weeks behind the UK.

    Doses per 100 people* in the EU are around 80, which is where the UK was on 12 May. They are also almost entirely Pfizer/Moderna so there is slightly quicker protection.

    So, unless you think that vaccination rates are going to collapse in the EU (and so far they've been accelerating), they will exit this about six weeks after we do.

    The French vax effort is slowing down as they approach hesitancy and cannot-be-arsed-its-summer
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,675
    Roger said:

    On topic, bring back the birch or the death penalty for antivaxxers.

    Either will do, they should not be allowed to hold the rest of society back.

    Didn’t see you as a racist.
    Absolutely, my house is adorned with portraits of Nick Griffin and Enoch Powell.
    Couldn't you find space for Maggie?
    I actually do have a shrine room, dedicated to Maggie, Dave (pbuh), George, and Ken Clarke.

    Mostly Dave as I've got a few things signed by him.
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    Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905
    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Report on Sky has just said that Europe's Delta variant will be at 90% by the end of August and with their double dose vaccinations much lower than the UK, other than Malta, Europe is looking at a very serious situation in the Autumn

    Now I am no expert on this, but there are many on here who have really good knowledge of covid spread and I would ask is this report fair and if so, how sensible is it travelling abroad at all this year

    It is as if Merkel and Macron are attempting to close the stable door, but the horses have already gone

    The EU is around six weeks behind the UK.

    Doses per 100 people* in the EU are around 80, which is where the UK was on 12 May. They are also almost entirely Pfizer/Moderna so there is slightly quicker protection.

    So, unless you think that vaccination rates are going to collapse in the EU (and so far they've been accelerating), they will exit this about six weeks after we do.

    There's a big difference in vaccination levels between different EU countries.
    There are chunks of Eastern Europe - Bulgaria and Romania in particular - who are massively behind the curve. Albeit they have relatively small populations.

    Does anyone know why?
    Poverty and its consequences, presumably.
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    BigRichBigRich Posts: 3,489
    Roger said:

    JohnO said:

    Roger said:

    Just seen an interview with George Galloway on Ch4 News. He was extremely rude to his female interviewer before telling her to get off his bus. Horrible man!

    He probably do well.

    Wait a sec. Weren’t you singing his praises this very morn as someone who would speak up for Palestinians in Parliament?
    Good to see you recovered and firing on both cylinders!

    Yes I did. I'd forgotten what a creepy man he is. Quite chilling. Being kicked off a bus by the conductor is bad enough but by Galloway in front of the TV cameras must have been extremely embarrassing.
    I think this is the incident you are referring to:

    it cuts out before she is asked to leave, but you get the gist of it, A pore interviewer with a pore interviewee.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBKFOLvYlzo
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    algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 10,650
    Leon said:

    My older daughter, all of15, just schooled me on the use of non-binary pronouns

    It's going to be shock starting to read anything in the whole of world literature written before the middle of last year.
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    stodgestodge Posts: 12,917


    It is nearly complete, since everyone's been offered the vaccine.

    If everyone wanted it they'd be getting done, or be done already, the fact only 4,500 were done is precisely because not everybody wants it.

    That's just a glib response and it also has the added benefit of being wrong.

    The situation in my part of London is they are continuing to offer walk-in vaccinations at the weekends. 4,200 Pfizer first vaccinations were administered at the Tottenham Hotspur ground last weekend - there were huge queues at Stratford as well. There's clearly still plenty of demand for vaccinations out there and I hope the mass vaccination weekend events continue.

    Given all the reported queues, I think you labour under some assumption these "mass" events can vaccinate tens of thousands at a time - no, they don't.

    There's also this notion "everyone has been offered the vaccine" which you cite as some holy writ but that doesn't translate into people getting vaccinated. Not everyone rushes to the NHS Website - for many people in my part of the world, alternative ways of reaching them and getting them vaccinated are needed.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,190
    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Report on Sky has just said that Europe's Delta variant will be at 90% by the end of August and with their double dose vaccinations much lower than the UK, other than Malta, Europe is looking at a very serious situation in the Autumn

    Now I am no expert on this, but there are many on here who have really good knowledge of covid spread and I would ask is this report fair and if so, how sensible is it travelling abroad at all this year

    It is as if Merkel and Macron are attempting to close the stable door, but the horses have already gone

    The EU is around six weeks behind the UK.

    Doses per 100 people* in the EU are around 80, which is where the UK was on 12 May. They are also almost entirely Pfizer/Moderna so there is slightly quicker protection.

    So, unless you think that vaccination rates are going to collapse in the EU (and so far they've been accelerating), they will exit this about six weeks after we do.

    The French vax effort is slowing down as they approach hesitancy and cannot-be-arsed-its-summer
    Last week saw a record number of vaccinations in France: 4.6 million.

    Now, I grant you that they will almost certainly have more vaccine refuseniks than the UK, but so far their vaccination effort has been speeding up, not slowing down.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,087
    Charles said:

    GB News wonderful interview at the moment

    Have they ironed out the AV issues people were talking about at launch?
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    AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    stodge said:

    Alistair said:

    BigRich said:


    Thanks for your weekly update, hoping the number do speed up,

    Just wondering has Newham, been badly hit in any of the earlier waves? if so it could be that many of the unvaccinated have some immunity?

    Yes, Newham got absolutely smashed in the January wave. Absolutely crushed.
    Did it? Can't say I remember that - can you provide some figures please?

    ENGLAND cases per 100k over the whole pandemic is 7200

    Newham cases per 100k over the whole pandemic is 10300

    On my phone so can't post the graphs but compare the shape of the cases graph for Newham compared to, say, the Northwest or Scotland.

    The January peak is so huge you can't even see the October peak.
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    TazTaz Posts: 11,381
    algarkirk said:

    Leon said:

    My older daughter, all of15, just schooled me on the use of non-binary pronouns

    It's going to be shock starting to read anything in the whole of world literature written before the middle of last year.
    It won’t be an issue. They’ll all simply be banned.
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    AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 20,183

    rcs1000 said:

    Report on Sky has just said that Europe's Delta variant will be at 90% by the end of August and with their double dose vaccinations much lower than the UK, other than Malta, Europe is looking at a very serious situation in the Autumn

    Now I am no expert on this, but there are many on here who have really good knowledge of covid spread and I would ask is this report fair and if so, how sensible is it travelling abroad at all this year

    It is as if Merkel and Macron are attempting to close the stable door, but the horses have already gone

    The EU is around six weeks behind the UK.

    Doses per 100 people* in the EU are around 80, which is where the UK was on 12 May. They are also almost entirely Pfizer/Moderna so there is slightly quicker protection.

    So, unless you think that vaccination rates are going to collapse in the EU (and so far they've been accelerating), they will exit this about six weeks after we do.

    One of the most frustrating things about the modellers and the media is their seeming inability to adjust for vaccination. This has been going on for months now.
    This report was looking at Europe's double dose vaccination rates
    Adjusting for time? Or assuming static?
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    Andy_CookeAndy_Cooke Posts: 4,819
    RobD said:

    stodge said:

    Evening all :)

    It's that time of the week (don't you just love it?) when I take a look at the latest vaccination numbers in my own back yard, the London Borough of Newham.

    This time last week, 143,429 adults over 30 had received a first vaccination - this week the number is 147,866 so that's 4,500 extra.

    Among all those over 16, it was 162,150 last week and this week it's 174,037 so nearly another 12,000 first vaccinations and well over half of them under 30 year olds so all welcome.

    Looking at 2nd vaccination numbers, the number of adults 30 and above who had received two vaccinations was 90,272 (84,870 last week) and for all over 16 it's 100,139 compared with 93,163 last week.

    The proportion of adults over 30 having received a first vaccination is now 58% compared with 56.3% last week while the second dose proportion is now 35.4% from 33.3% last week.

    There remain over 100,000 adults over 30 in Newham who have yet to be vaccinated - we did 4,500 last week so you can work out how long it's going to take if everyone wanted it. Assuming 80% take up which would be roughly 200,000 people we aren't three quarters of the way there and it's taken nearly seven months - at 4,500 per week we're still looking at three months to get everyone over 30 to have a single vaccination.

    The notion the vaccination rollout is near complete may be valid in some places - it's not valid in Newham.

    It's complete when everyone has been offered it, unless you propose forcing people to have it.
    Offered, and had the opportunity to have it.
    My daughter has been offered it. With the earliest appointment offered in two weeks, 30 miles away.
    But she’s been offered an appointment, certainly.
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    AnExileinD4AnExileinD4 Posts: 337

    Charles said:

    AN: “but if you do that it will lead to an economic slump and destitution”

    Extinction Rebellion : “Yes”

    AN: “what?”

    ER: “I’m not disagreeing with you”

    XR top people are very open about things, XR isn't about saving the planet, it is about destroying the whole capitalist system. Returning to a world of self sufficiency, communal manual labour and bartering.
    Ironic really as it’s stuffed full of Tarquins and Jemimas who rely on their parents funds, have never worked in their lives and rely on the servants.
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    BigRichBigRich Posts: 3,489
    Charles said:

    ER: “in 90% of circumstances your viewers will think I’m mad”

    AN chuckles

    ER: “ but that’s why you’ve got me on here”

    Who is ER?
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    Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    darkage said:

    darkage said:

    kinabalu said:

    darkage said:

    another thing which I noticed is the amount of places that don't accept cash anymore. I found myself in central london with no cards on me and only cash, I was turned away from literally all of the outlets in charing cross station, the only place I could buy dinner from was marks and spencer.

    I went in to Itsu and just well how the fuck am I going to eat anything if no one accepts cash and the woman behind the counter just shrugged.

    The pandemic has killed my cash habit and I don't think it's coming back. It's been over 15 months now since I last used.
    yeah but what happens if you lose your cards (as I did). What then? Also making payment by card compulsory is a backdoor to permanent surveillance, it is a major encroachment in to freedom.
    I used to resist using a card as I wanted 100% of my money to go to the local shop instead of a financial service, but I've never worried about leaving a trail. If MI5 (bizarrely) ever want to know what I'm doing, I'm resigned to the fact that they'll have ways to figure it out, without depending on observing that I've been to Sainsbury.
    The fact that MI5 can put people under surveillance, for mostly good reasons, is not to my mind a good reason to accept mandatory card payments. Nor ID cards, nor CCTV everywhere etc - its the same slippery slope.

    I don't mind card payments myself, but would rather preserve these freedoms.


    Companies choosing not to accept cash doesn't make it mandatory. Its just their choice. If you don't like it, you can make your own choices.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 59,022
    stodge said:


    It is nearly complete, since everyone's been offered the vaccine.

    If everyone wanted it they'd be getting done, or be done already, the fact only 4,500 were done is precisely because not everybody wants it.

    That's just a glib response and it also has the added benefit of being wrong.

    The situation in my part of London is they are continuing to offer walk-in vaccinations at the weekends. 4,200 Pfizer first vaccinations were administered at the Tottenham Hotspur ground last weekend - there were huge queues at Stratford as well. There's clearly still plenty of demand for vaccinations out there and I hope the mass vaccination weekend events continue.

    Given all the reported queues, I think you labour under some assumption these "mass" events can vaccinate tens of thousands at a time - no, they don't.

    There's also this notion "everyone has been offered the vaccine" which you cite as some holy writ but that doesn't translate into people getting vaccinated. Not everyone rushes to the NHS Website - for many people in my part of the world, alternative ways of reaching them and getting them vaccinated are needed.
    Most people have been offered the vaccine, it is just take up rates are abysmal there. You can see the same stats for other vaccination campaigns, it's consistently has the lowest take up rate amongst all local authorities.
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    Charles said:

    AN: “but if you do that it will lead to an economic slump and destitution”

    Extinction Rebellion : “Yes”

    AN: “what?”

    ER: “I’m not disagreeing with you”

    XR top people are very open about things, XR isn't about saving the planet, it is about destroying the whole capitalist system. Returning to a world of self sufficiency, communal manual labour and bartering.
    AN: but that will cause economic misery

    XR: Exactly

    AN: And you want that?
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    LeonLeon Posts: 47,688
    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Report on Sky has just said that Europe's Delta variant will be at 90% by the end of August and with their double dose vaccinations much lower than the UK, other than Malta, Europe is looking at a very serious situation in the Autumn

    Now I am no expert on this, but there are many on here who have really good knowledge of covid spread and I would ask is this report fair and if so, how sensible is it travelling abroad at all this year

    It is as if Merkel and Macron are attempting to close the stable door, but the horses have already gone

    The EU is around six weeks behind the UK.

    Doses per 100 people* in the EU are around 80, which is where the UK was on 12 May. They are also almost entirely Pfizer/Moderna so there is slightly quicker protection.

    So, unless you think that vaccination rates are going to collapse in the EU (and so far they've been accelerating), they will exit this about six weeks after we do.

    The French vax effort is slowing down as they approach hesitancy and cannot-be-arsed-its-summer
    Last week saw a record number of vaccinations in France: 4.6 million.

    Now, I grant you that they will almost certainly have more vaccine refuseniks than the UK, but so far their vaccination effort has been speeding up, not slowing down.
    I was going by the words of the French PM. I accept that he is likely to err on the side of alarmism

    "Prime Minister Jean Castex on Thursday urged more French to get their first Covid vaccine dose, acknowledging that fewer people are signing up for slots as the summer holidays approach.

    "“We’re vaccinating 200,000 people a day” with an initial jab, Castex said during a visit to the Landes department of southwest France, where the more contagious Delta variant of the virus now accounts for 70 percent of all new cases.

    "“That’s not enough,” he said, after initial doses peaked at nearly 500,000 a day last month.

    “We’ve done much better, and we have to do much better,” he said"


    https://www.macaubusiness.com/france-must-do-much-better-on-vaccinations-pm/

    The will plateau ~70% vaxxed? Possibly not enough against Deltya
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    kle4 said:

    Charles said:

    GB News wonderful interview at the moment

    Have they ironed out the AV issues people were talking about at launch?
    Yep
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    BigRichBigRich Posts: 3,489

    Charles said:

    GB News wonderful interview at the moment

    I read somewhere their viewing figures are 26% more than the BBC and 3 times Sky
    Yes, that was on Androw Niels tweet, linked on here a couple of hours ago.

    As I don't have a TV I cant watch, but for anybody watching GB News, have they mostly sorted out the 'Tec' issues they had last week or is it still happening but not worth commenting on any more?
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    edited June 2021
    BigRich said:

    Charles said:

    ER: “in 90% of circumstances your viewers will think I’m mad”

    AN chuckles

    ER: “ but that’s why you’ve got me on here”

    Who is ER?
    Extinction rebellion founder

    Roger Hallam

    He just said “you wouldn’t bet the farm”… given his track record

    @ydoethur
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,302
    Its rather ironic that George Galloway stands for the workers party....has he ever done a proper day of work in his life?
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    Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 60,448
    edited June 2021

    rcs1000 said:

    Report on Sky has just said that Europe's Delta variant will be at 90% by the end of August and with their double dose vaccinations much lower than the UK, other than Malta, Europe is looking at a very serious situation in the Autumn

    Now I am no expert on this, but there are many on here who have really good knowledge of covid spread and I would ask is this report fair and if so, how sensible is it travelling abroad at all this year

    It is as if Merkel and Macron are attempting to close the stable door, but the horses have already gone

    The EU is around six weeks behind the UK.

    Doses per 100 people* in the EU are around 80, which is where the UK was on 12 May. They are also almost entirely Pfizer/Moderna so there is slightly quicker protection.

    So, unless you think that vaccination rates are going to collapse in the EU (and so far they've been accelerating), they will exit this about six weeks after we do.

    One of the most frustrating things about the modellers and the media is their seeming inability to adjust for vaccination. This has been going on for months now.
    This report was looking at Europe's double dose vaccination rates
    Adjusting for time? Or assuming static?
    The reporter gave me the impression he was talking of the position at the end of August and specifically double dose rates
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    algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 10,650

    Charles said:

    AN: “but if you do that it will lead to an economic slump and destitution”

    Extinction Rebellion : “Yes”

    AN: “what?”

    ER: “I’m not disagreeing with you”

    XR top people are very open about things, XR isn't about saving the planet, it is about destroying the whole capitalist system. Returning to a world of self sufficiency, communal manual labour and bartering.
    Two questions for XR: What is the sustainable human population worldwide if your aims are achieved.

    Does your personal lifestyle, wealth, salary, pension plan, ambition and family life reflect what you want for the world as a whole.

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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,675

    maaarsh said:

    Sri Lanka choosing to bat first was always going to short change spectators and this is setting up to be a men against boys waste of time.

    Sri Lanka aren't very good are they.
    The Scotland of cricket.
    Bit harsh. Sri Lanka has won as many cricket World cups as England.
    Much better food and weather than Scotland too.
    Scotland have really annoyed me this week.

    Even worse than their shameful behaviour over Billy Gilmour's Covid-19 result the fuckers have earwormed me with Yes Sir, I Can Boogie.

    Absolute fucking roasters.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 59,022

    RobD said:

    stodge said:

    Evening all :)

    It's that time of the week (don't you just love it?) when I take a look at the latest vaccination numbers in my own back yard, the London Borough of Newham.

    This time last week, 143,429 adults over 30 had received a first vaccination - this week the number is 147,866 so that's 4,500 extra.

    Among all those over 16, it was 162,150 last week and this week it's 174,037 so nearly another 12,000 first vaccinations and well over half of them under 30 year olds so all welcome.

    Looking at 2nd vaccination numbers, the number of adults 30 and above who had received two vaccinations was 90,272 (84,870 last week) and for all over 16 it's 100,139 compared with 93,163 last week.

    The proportion of adults over 30 having received a first vaccination is now 58% compared with 56.3% last week while the second dose proportion is now 35.4% from 33.3% last week.

    There remain over 100,000 adults over 30 in Newham who have yet to be vaccinated - we did 4,500 last week so you can work out how long it's going to take if everyone wanted it. Assuming 80% take up which would be roughly 200,000 people we aren't three quarters of the way there and it's taken nearly seven months - at 4,500 per week we're still looking at three months to get everyone over 30 to have a single vaccination.

    The notion the vaccination rollout is near complete may be valid in some places - it's not valid in Newham.

    It's complete when everyone has been offered it, unless you propose forcing people to have it.
    Offered, and had the opportunity to have it.
    My daughter has been offered it. With the earliest appointment offered in two weeks, 30 miles away.
    But she’s been offered an appointment, certainly.
    Given that 1/2 of the total population of the borough (not just those over 18) have not had a vaccine, that suggests a significant number of people who are amongst the older groups who have been offered it for quite a while now.
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    StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 14,645
    edited June 2021
    rcs1000 said:

    Report on Sky has just said that Europe's Delta variant will be at 90% by the end of August and with their double dose vaccinations much lower than the UK, other than Malta, Europe is looking at a very serious situation in the Autumn

    Now I am no expert on this, but there are many on here who have really good knowledge of covid spread and I would ask is this report fair and if so, how sensible is it travelling abroad at all this year

    It is as if Merkel and Macron are attempting to close the stable door, but the horses have already gone

    Perhaps the first question to ask is whether or not it'll take as long as another two-and-a-half months for Delta to take over in at least some of the EU countries?
    Delta is obviously accelerating in the EU. It's massively more transmissible, and therefore will race through unvaccinated populations.

    The EU is also behind the UK for vaccination rates.

    But against that, the EU had far less seeding of Delta than the UK. There are no EU countries in the top 25 list of India diasporas. So, they started at lower levels. And the EU is vaccinating pretty quick right now. The last two weeks saw them do 28 million jabs in arms, and the bloc is at around 80 doses per 100 people, which is where the UK was about six weeks ago.

    So, my guess is that the EU will see a very similar experience to us in a few weeks time, with Delta racing through unvaccinated populations, but it having only a relatively modest effect on hospitalisations.
    Couple of other points to consider:

    UK total cases have been rising steadily for about five weeks now. Of the other big European countries, cases are still falling in DE, FR, IT, might be beginning to go up in ES.

    Not vaccinating so slavishly by age should break some of the chains of infection the UK has seen in its Youth Clubs.

    In a lot of countries, schools have or are just about to break up, which will help.

    But the key thing for all of us is the situation come September when schools go back and we all scurry inside again. And there's no real sign that all of Europe won't be securely vaxed by then.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,675

    Its rather ironic that George Galloway stands for the workers party....has he ever done a proper day of work in his life?

    Well there was that time he pretended to be a cat.

    Does that count?
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,190
    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Report on Sky has just said that Europe's Delta variant will be at 90% by the end of August and with their double dose vaccinations much lower than the UK, other than Malta, Europe is looking at a very serious situation in the Autumn

    Now I am no expert on this, but there are many on here who have really good knowledge of covid spread and I would ask is this report fair and if so, how sensible is it travelling abroad at all this year

    It is as if Merkel and Macron are attempting to close the stable door, but the horses have already gone

    The EU is around six weeks behind the UK.

    Doses per 100 people* in the EU are around 80, which is where the UK was on 12 May. They are also almost entirely Pfizer/Moderna so there is slightly quicker protection.

    So, unless you think that vaccination rates are going to collapse in the EU (and so far they've been accelerating), they will exit this about six weeks after we do.

    The French vax effort is slowing down as they approach hesitancy and cannot-be-arsed-its-summer
    Last week saw a record number of vaccinations in France: 4.6 million.

    Now, I grant you that they will almost certainly have more vaccine refuseniks than the UK, but so far their vaccination effort has been speeding up, not slowing down.
    I was going by the words of the French PM. I accept that he is likely to err on the side of alarmism

    "Prime Minister Jean Castex on Thursday urged more French to get their first Covid vaccine dose, acknowledging that fewer people are signing up for slots as the summer holidays approach.

    "“We’re vaccinating 200,000 people a day” with an initial jab, Castex said during a visit to the Landes department of southwest France, where the more contagious Delta variant of the virus now accounts for 70 percent of all new cases.

    "“That’s not enough,” he said, after initial doses peaked at nearly 500,000 a day last month.

    “We’ve done much better, and we have to do much better,” he said"


    https://www.macaubusiness.com/france-must-do-much-better-on-vaccinations-pm/

    The will plateau ~70% vaxxed? Possibly not enough against Deltya
    Fair enough: I was using the total jabs, not the first/second dose. Worth noting that they are over 60% of adults with a first dose already, and increase by 2.5% last week, so 70% is probably a bit on the pessimistic side. (Worth also remembering that in some US states lotteries have been very effective at increasing vaccine uptake.)
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    Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905

    RobD said:

    stodge said:

    Evening all :)

    It's that time of the week (don't you just love it?) when I take a look at the latest vaccination numbers in my own back yard, the London Borough of Newham.

    This time last week, 143,429 adults over 30 had received a first vaccination - this week the number is 147,866 so that's 4,500 extra.

    Among all those over 16, it was 162,150 last week and this week it's 174,037 so nearly another 12,000 first vaccinations and well over half of them under 30 year olds so all welcome.

    Looking at 2nd vaccination numbers, the number of adults 30 and above who had received two vaccinations was 90,272 (84,870 last week) and for all over 16 it's 100,139 compared with 93,163 last week.

    The proportion of adults over 30 having received a first vaccination is now 58% compared with 56.3% last week while the second dose proportion is now 35.4% from 33.3% last week.

    There remain over 100,000 adults over 30 in Newham who have yet to be vaccinated - we did 4,500 last week so you can work out how long it's going to take if everyone wanted it. Assuming 80% take up which would be roughly 200,000 people we aren't three quarters of the way there and it's taken nearly seven months - at 4,500 per week we're still looking at three months to get everyone over 30 to have a single vaccination.

    The notion the vaccination rollout is near complete may be valid in some places - it's not valid in Newham.

    It's complete when everyone has been offered it, unless you propose forcing people to have it.
    Offered, and had the opportunity to have it.
    My daughter has been offered it. With the earliest appointment offered in two weeks, 30 miles away.
    But she’s been offered an appointment, certainly.
    Where is she? Availability must be rather variable, depending on your location.

    I logged on to book my second jab via the NHS website (first was via GP) on Wednesday, and picked a convenient centre in Cambridge, a short journey up the railway line.

    Thursday morning was booked solid. Appointments available Thursday afternoon and every day after that. Am all set up for Saturday morning.
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    Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 60,448
    BigRich said:

    Charles said:

    GB News wonderful interview at the moment

    I read somewhere their viewing figures are 26% more than the BBC and 3 times Sky
    Yes, that was on Androw Niels tweet, linked on here a couple of hours ago.

    As I don't have a TV I cant watch, but for anybody watching GB News, have they mostly sorted out the 'Tec' issues they had last week or is it still happening but not worth commenting on any more?
    I am not a regular viewer but some of the glitches seem to have gone

    I still tend to have Sky in the background
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    Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 27,102
    O/T

    This is one of the best sketches I've ever watched. Dave Allen, 1976.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sA-iF45pOlI
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,302
    edited June 2021
    algarkirk said:

    Charles said:

    AN: “but if you do that it will lead to an economic slump and destitution”

    Extinction Rebellion : “Yes”

    AN: “what?”

    ER: “I’m not disagreeing with you”

    XR top people are very open about things, XR isn't about saving the planet, it is about destroying the whole capitalist system. Returning to a world of self sufficiency, communal manual labour and bartering.
    Two questions for XR: What is the sustainable human population worldwide if your aims are achieved.

    Does your personal lifestyle, wealth, salary, pension plan, ambition and family life reflect what you want for the world as a whole.

    Pinker talks about this in his last book..... efficiency in farming has enabled famine to basically be eliminated while using a total of less land mass. Also all this return to "natural" produce is a nonsense as basically everything we think of as such is a result of interbreeding e.g. all apples.
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    LeonLeon Posts: 47,688

    Its rather ironic that George Galloway stands for the workers party....has he ever done a proper day of work in his life?

    Did Lenin? Or Che? Or Pol Pot? Or Osama bin Laden, for that matter?


    Revolutionaries and radicals tend to come from the provincial upper and upper-middle classes, provincial enough to feel excluded from the elite status quo, high class enough to be leisured and comfortable, so they feel able to focus on politics
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    AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670

    maaarsh said:

    Sri Lanka choosing to bat first was always going to short change spectators and this is setting up to be a men against boys waste of time.

    Sri Lanka aren't very good are they.
    The Scotland of cricket.
    Bit harsh. Sri Lanka has won as many cricket World cups as England.
    Much better food and weather than Scotland too.
    Scotland have really annoyed me this week.

    Even worse than their shameful behaviour over Billy Gilmour's Covid-19 result the fuckers have earwormed me with Yes Sir, I Can Boogie.

    Absolute fucking roasters.
    No, incorrect usage.

    You get a timeout from using scotch words.

    Except for "outwith" you have to use that one in your next piece of work related writing.
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    algarkirk said:

    Charles said:

    AN: “but if you do that it will lead to an economic slump and destitution”

    Extinction Rebellion : “Yes”

    AN: “what?”

    ER: “I’m not disagreeing with you”

    XR top people are very open about things, XR isn't about saving the planet, it is about destroying the whole capitalist system. Returning to a world of self sufficiency, communal manual labour and bartering.
    Two questions for XR: What is the sustainable human population worldwide if your aims are achieved.

    Does your personal lifestyle, wealth, salary, pension plan, ambition and family life reflect what you want for the world as a whole.

    Half a billion
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,302
    edited June 2021
    BigRich said:

    Roger said:

    JohnO said:

    Roger said:

    Just seen an interview with George Galloway on Ch4 News. He was extremely rude to his female interviewer before telling her to get off his bus. Horrible man!

    He probably do well.

    Wait a sec. Weren’t you singing his praises this very morn as someone who would speak up for Palestinians in Parliament?
    Good to see you recovered and firing on both cylinders!

    Yes I did. I'd forgotten what a creepy man he is. Quite chilling. Being kicked off a bus by the conductor is bad enough but by Galloway in front of the TV cameras must have been extremely embarrassing.
    I think this is the incident you are referring to:

    it cuts out before she is asked to leave, but you get the gist of it, A pore interviewer with a pore interviewee.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBKFOLvYlzo
    The lady from CH4 is very unprofessional, with her stupid quip about is this a woke bus.... can't i offend anybody.
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    Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 27,102
    Charles said:

    GB News wonderful interview at the moment

    Who with?
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    StockyStocky Posts: 9,736
    The FCDO advises against all but essential travel to Spain, including the Balearic Islands but excluding the Canary Islands.

    Meanwhile, the government has the Balearics on the Green List but Canaries on Amber!
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    StockyStocky Posts: 9,736
    Why has Israel been placed on the Green Watchlist?
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    stodgestodge Posts: 12,917
    RobD said:


    Most people have been offered the vaccine, it is just take up rates are abysmal there. You can see the same stats for other vaccination campaigns, it's consistently has the lowest take up rate amongst all local authorities.

    Like @Philip_Thompson, you look at the numbers and jump to all sorts of conclusions. We've had this argument before - you can't apply a simplistic solution to what is in fact a complex situation.

    The way some people live their lives in my part of London means their time to go and get a vaccination is often very limited - the weekend mass vaccination centres were very popular with huge queues - if there was no demand there wouldn't have been. There need to be more of these - I'm absolutely convinced the demand is there especially among younger adults but the way the vaccines are provided needs to be re-focussed.

    I fully accept a proportion of the 100,000 unvaccinated adults over 30 in Newham won't be vaccinated but the effort to get as many of them as possible vaccinated has to continue and it makes no sense to "wind down" the vaccination rollout at this time. Even 4,500 per week makes a difference.



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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,302
    Leon said:

    Its rather ironic that George Galloway stands for the workers party....has he ever done a proper day of work in his life?

    Did Lenin? Or Che? Or Pol Pot? Or Osama bin Laden, for that matter?


    Revolutionaries and radicals tend to come from the provincial upper and upper-middle classes, provincial enough to feel excluded from the elite status quo, high class enough to be leisured and comfortable, so they feel able to focus on politics
    Men of the people.....
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,675
    Alistair said:

    maaarsh said:

    Sri Lanka choosing to bat first was always going to short change spectators and this is setting up to be a men against boys waste of time.

    Sri Lanka aren't very good are they.
    The Scotland of cricket.
    Bit harsh. Sri Lanka has won as many cricket World cups as England.
    Much better food and weather than Scotland too.
    Scotland have really annoyed me this week.

    Even worse than their shameful behaviour over Billy Gilmour's Covid-19 result the fuckers have earwormed me with Yes Sir, I Can Boogie.

    Absolute fucking roasters.
    No, incorrect usage.

    You get a timeout from using scotch words.

    Except for "outwith" you have to use that one in your next piece of work related writing.
    Oh I regularly use outwith, the joys of having a Scottish boss for so long in my career.
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    Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 27,102
    edited June 2021
    Leon said:

    Its rather ironic that George Galloway stands for the workers party....has he ever done a proper day of work in his life?

    Did Lenin? Or Che? Or Pol Pot? Or Osama bin Laden, for that matter?


    Revolutionaries and radicals tend to come from the provincial upper and upper-middle classes, provincial enough to feel excluded from the elite status quo, high class enough to be leisured and comfortable, so they feel able to focus on politics
    Theodore Dalrymple / Dr Anthony Daniels has pointed this out many times in his books on Central America. Well worth reading IMO.

    https://www.amazon.co.uk/Coups-Cocaine-Journeys-South-America/dp/0879512636
    https://www.amazon.co.uk/Sweet-Waist-America-Journeys-Guatemala/dp/0091735858
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    Andy_JS said:

    Charles said:

    GB News wonderful interview at the moment

    Who with?
    Roger Hallam.

    He’s very disarming.
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    Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 60,448
    edited June 2021
    Andy_JS said:

    Charles said:

    GB News wonderful interview at the moment

    Who with?
    Seems the lady being interviewed just now maintains China did covid deliberately
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,229
    Leon said:

    My older daughter, all of15, just schooled me on the use of non-binary pronouns

    Is she aware of the damaging effects of gendering animals?

    https://twitter.com/butnotthecity/status/1408046565395251204

    Gendering animals serves to normalise bioessentialist conceptions of gender. When we gender animals, we forget that sex is assigned. We begin to believe that sex is literally ~in~ the body.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,302
    edited June 2021
    Charles said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Charles said:

    GB News wonderful interview at the moment

    Who with?
    Roger Hallam.

    He’s very disarming.
    "Between at least 2017 and early 2019 he was studying for a PhD at King's College London, researching how to achieve social change through civil disobedience and radical movements."

    Sounds more autobiographical than independent research.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 59,022
    stodge said:

    RobD said:


    Most people have been offered the vaccine, it is just take up rates are abysmal there. You can see the same stats for other vaccination campaigns, it's consistently has the lowest take up rate amongst all local authorities.

    Like @Philip_Thompson, you look at the numbers and jump to all sorts of conclusions. We've had this argument before - you can't apply a simplistic solution to what is in fact a complex situation.

    The way some people live their lives in my part of London means their time to go and get a vaccination is often very limited - the weekend mass vaccination centres were very popular with huge queues - if there was no demand there wouldn't have been. There need to be more of these - I'm absolutely convinced the demand is there especially among younger adults but the way the vaccines are provided needs to be re-focussed.

    I fully accept a proportion of the 100,000 unvaccinated adults over 30 in Newham won't be vaccinated but the effort to get as many of them as possible vaccinated has to continue and it makes no sense to "wind down" the vaccination rollout at this time. Even 4,500 per week makes a difference.



    I don't think anyone is arguing that the vaccines should no longer be offered after a certain date, I fully expect that they will be available long after the nominal program is over. But I am not jumping to any conclusions. You can see vaccine hesitancy in that borough by looking at the other vaccine campaigns, which are conducted under significantly less time pressure.
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    LeonLeon Posts: 47,688
    Stocky said:

    Why has Israel been placed on the Green Watchlist?

    Because Israel won't allow anyone in

    It looks like HMG is being reasonable, reflective, and sensibly relaxed, and yet, in actuality, they are barely relaxing things at all
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    felixfelix Posts: 15,125

    Report on Sky has just said that Europe's Delta variant will be at 90% by the end of August and with their double dose vaccinations much lower than the UK, other than Malta, Europe is looking at a very serious situation in the Autumn

    Now I am no expert on this, but there are many on here who have really good knowledge of covid spread and I would ask is this report fair and if so, how sensible is it travelling abroad at all this year

    It is as if Merkel and Macron are attempting to close the stable door, but the horses have already gone

    I worry about Spain because at the moment the case growth is in the north but from July until the end of August vast numbers will be heading to the coast and campo for the holidays. A large proportion of those under 35-40 will at best only have one jab and many not even that. It's gonna be a close run thing.
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    Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 60,448

    Alistair said:

    maaarsh said:

    Sri Lanka choosing to bat first was always going to short change spectators and this is setting up to be a men against boys waste of time.

    Sri Lanka aren't very good are they.
    The Scotland of cricket.
    Bit harsh. Sri Lanka has won as many cricket World cups as England.
    Much better food and weather than Scotland too.
    Scotland have really annoyed me this week.

    Even worse than their shameful behaviour over Billy Gilmour's Covid-19 result the fuckers have earwormed me with Yes Sir, I Can Boogie.

    Absolute fucking roasters.
    No, incorrect usage.

    You get a timeout from using scotch words.

    Except for "outwith" you have to use that one in your next piece of work related writing.
    Oh I regularly use outwith, the joys of having a Scottish boss for so long in my career.
    I have had a Scottish boss for nearly 60 years, my dear lady wife no less
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    BigRichBigRich Posts: 3,489
    Leon said:

    Its rather ironic that George Galloway stands for the workers party....has he ever done a proper day of work in his life?

    Did Lenin? Or Che? Or Pol Pot? Or Osama bin Laden, for that matter?


    Revolutionaries and radicals tend to come from the provincial upper and upper-middle classes, provincial enough to feel excluded from the elite status quo, high class enough to be leisured and comfortable, so they feel able to focus on politics
    You could add Napoleon to that list, wasn't he a minor aristocrat form Corsica?

    The head of the North Korean solidarity association, is from a Spanish aristocratic family, I cant remember which part.
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    Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    Leon said:

    My older daughter, all of15, just schooled me on the use of non-binary pronouns

    Is she aware of the damaging effects of gendering animals?

    https://twitter.com/butnotthecity/status/1408046565395251204

    Gendering animals serves to normalise bioessentialist conceptions of gender. When we gender animals, we forget that sex is assigned. We begin to believe that sex is literally ~in~ the body.
    Is that a joke/parody or serious? 😱
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,524
    Charles said:

    algarkirk said:

    Charles said:

    AN: “but if you do that it will lead to an economic slump and destitution”

    Extinction Rebellion : “Yes”

    AN: “what?”

    ER: “I’m not disagreeing with you”

    XR top people are very open about things, XR isn't about saving the planet, it is about destroying the whole capitalist system. Returning to a world of self sufficiency, communal manual labour and bartering.
    Two questions for XR: What is the sustainable human population worldwide if your aims are achieved.

    Does your personal lifestyle, wealth, salary, pension plan, ambition and family life reflect what you want for the world as a whole.

    Half a billion
    Is that the population target or their personal wealth?
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    algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 10,650
    Leon said:

    My older daughter, all of15, just schooled me on the use of non-binary pronouns

    Your older what!!!. S/he will never speak to you again if you you such offensive terms as 'd*******'.
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