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  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    Charles said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Charles said:

    GB News wonderful interview at the moment

    Who with?
    Roger Hallam.

    He’s very disarming.
    "Between at least 2017 and early 2019 he was studying for a PhD at King's College London, researching how to achieve social change through civil disobedience and radical movements."

    Sounds more autobiographical than independent research.
    Sure. But it would be fun to have a drink with him. He seems a nice guy and refreshing direct
  • Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905
    Stocky said:

    Why has Israel been placed on the Green Watchlist?

    It could be more Delta - in which case, everywhere else on the Green list can probably be relied on to collapse back into Amber at some point as panic takes hold. It's all just one great big hokey-cokey, I don't know why they're even bothering. Although there's good evidence that the Government hasn't a clue what it's doing from your previous remark:
    Stocky said:

    The FCDO advises against all but essential travel to Spain, including the Balearic Islands but excluding the Canary Islands.

    Meanwhile, the government has the Balearics on the Green List but Canaries on Amber!

    Rank idiocy.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,748

    Leon said:

    My older daughter, all of15, just schooled me on the use of non-binary pronouns

    Is she aware of the damaging effects of gendering animals?

    https://twitter.com/butnotthecity/status/1408046565395251204

    Gendering animals serves to normalise bioessentialist conceptions of gender. When we gender animals, we forget that sex is assigned. We begin to believe that sex is literally ~in~ the body.
    omFFFFFg

    In my defence I told my older daughter, quite firmly, that this violent identity politics of race/gender is a madness which we will look back on, with amazement, in a decade or two

    She scoffed, and returned to her Sociology GCSE Revision

    She'll probably ace it. She's Woke, but she's smart
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,271
    Are England trying to keep the Indian bookmakers happy?
  • pingping Posts: 3,805
    Ffs. There’s now a “green watch list”

    Keep it simple

    Green and red.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,267
    felix said:

    Report on Sky has just said that Europe's Delta variant will be at 90% by the end of August and with their double dose vaccinations much lower than the UK, other than Malta, Europe is looking at a very serious situation in the Autumn

    Now I am no expert on this, but there are many on here who have really good knowledge of covid spread and I would ask is this report fair and if so, how sensible is it travelling abroad at all this year

    It is as if Merkel and Macron are attempting to close the stable door, but the horses have already gone

    I worry about Spain because at the moment the case growth is in the north but from July until the end of August vast numbers will be heading to the coast and campo for the holidays. A large proportion of those under 35-40 will at best only have one jab and many not even that. It's gonna be a close run thing.
    To be honest the report was referring to those with a second dose which as we all know is vital with this Delta variant
  • stodge said:

    RobD said:


    Most people have been offered the vaccine, it is just take up rates are abysmal there. You can see the same stats for other vaccination campaigns, it's consistently has the lowest take up rate amongst all local authorities.

    Like @Philip_Thompson, you look at the numbers and jump to all sorts of conclusions. We've had this argument before - you can't apply a simplistic solution to what is in fact a complex situation.

    The way some people live their lives in my part of London means their time to go and get a vaccination is often very limited - the weekend mass vaccination centres were very popular with huge queues - if there was no demand there wouldn't have been. There need to be more of these - I'm absolutely convinced the demand is there especially among younger adults but the way the vaccines are provided needs to be re-focussed.

    I fully accept a proportion of the 100,000 unvaccinated adults over 30 in Newham won't be vaccinated but the effort to get as many of them as possible vaccinated has to continue and it makes no sense to "wind down" the vaccination rollout at this time. Even 4,500 per week makes a difference.



    In what way do they “live their lives” differently from the rest of us?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,768
    England soiling the bed here.

    8/2.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,271
    edited June 2021
    ping said:

    Ffs. There’s now a “green watch list”

    Keep it simple

    Green and red.

    I have a simpler plan...red....until winter.
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,561

    Leon said:

    My older daughter, all of15, just schooled me on the use of non-binary pronouns

    Is she aware of the damaging effects of gendering animals?

    https://twitter.com/butnotthecity/status/1408046565395251204

    Gendering animals serves to normalise bioessentialist conceptions of gender. When we gender animals, we forget that sex is assigned. We begin to believe that sex is literally ~in~ the body.
    Is that a joke/parody or serious? 😱
    It must be a pisstake
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,768

    ping said:

    Ffs. There’s now a “green watch list”

    Keep it simple

    Green and red.

    I have a simpler plan...red....until winter.
    It's like they haven't learned the lessons from last summer.

    You get the feeling the government couldn't organise a farting contest in a baked beans factory.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,271

    England soiling the bed here.

    8/2.

    Mutters something about batting deep....
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,748
    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Report on Sky has just said that Europe's Delta variant will be at 90% by the end of August and with their double dose vaccinations much lower than the UK, other than Malta, Europe is looking at a very serious situation in the Autumn

    Now I am no expert on this, but there are many on here who have really good knowledge of covid spread and I would ask is this report fair and if so, how sensible is it travelling abroad at all this year

    It is as if Merkel and Macron are attempting to close the stable door, but the horses have already gone

    The EU is around six weeks behind the UK.

    Doses per 100 people* in the EU are around 80, which is where the UK was on 12 May. They are also almost entirely Pfizer/Moderna so there is slightly quicker protection.

    So, unless you think that vaccination rates are going to collapse in the EU (and so far they've been accelerating), they will exit this about six weeks after we do.

    The French vax effort is slowing down as they approach hesitancy and cannot-be-arsed-its-summer
    Last week saw a record number of vaccinations in France: 4.6 million.

    Now, I grant you that they will almost certainly have more vaccine refuseniks than the UK, but so far their vaccination effort has been speeding up, not slowing down.
    I was going by the words of the French PM. I accept that he is likely to err on the side of alarmism

    "Prime Minister Jean Castex on Thursday urged more French to get their first Covid vaccine dose, acknowledging that fewer people are signing up for slots as the summer holidays approach.

    "“We’re vaccinating 200,000 people a day” with an initial jab, Castex said during a visit to the Landes department of southwest France, where the more contagious Delta variant of the virus now accounts for 70 percent of all new cases.

    "“That’s not enough,” he said, after initial doses peaked at nearly 500,000 a day last month.

    “We’ve done much better, and we have to do much better,” he said"


    https://www.macaubusiness.com/france-must-do-much-better-on-vaccinations-pm/

    The will plateau ~70% vaxxed? Possibly not enough against Deltya
    Fair enough: I was using the total jabs, not the first/second dose. Worth noting that they are over 60% of adults with a first dose already, and increase by 2.5% last week, so 70% is probably a bit on the pessimistic side. (Worth also remembering that in some US states lotteries have been very effective at increasing vaccine uptake.)
    Europe is going to be a photo finish twixt virus and vax

    If we get another even-more-evil variant, we lose
  • theProletheProle Posts: 1,209
    Leon said:

    Stocky said:

    Why has Israel been placed on the Green Watchlist?

    Because Israel won't allow anyone in

    It looks like HMG is being reasonable, reflective, and sensibly relaxed, and yet, in actuality, they are barely relaxing things at all
    I thought that Israel was happy to take double vaxed tourists now?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,748
    theProle said:

    Leon said:

    Stocky said:

    Why has Israel been placed on the Green Watchlist?

    Because Israel won't allow anyone in

    It looks like HMG is being reasonable, reflective, and sensibly relaxed, and yet, in actuality, they are barely relaxing things at all
    I thought that Israel was happy to take double vaxed tourists now?
    Changed today, I believe
  • Andy_CookeAndy_Cooke Posts: 5,010

    RobD said:

    stodge said:

    Evening all :)

    It's that time of the week (don't you just love it?) when I take a look at the latest vaccination numbers in my own back yard, the London Borough of Newham.

    This time last week, 143,429 adults over 30 had received a first vaccination - this week the number is 147,866 so that's 4,500 extra.

    Among all those over 16, it was 162,150 last week and this week it's 174,037 so nearly another 12,000 first vaccinations and well over half of them under 30 year olds so all welcome.

    Looking at 2nd vaccination numbers, the number of adults 30 and above who had received two vaccinations was 90,272 (84,870 last week) and for all over 16 it's 100,139 compared with 93,163 last week.

    The proportion of adults over 30 having received a first vaccination is now 58% compared with 56.3% last week while the second dose proportion is now 35.4% from 33.3% last week.

    There remain over 100,000 adults over 30 in Newham who have yet to be vaccinated - we did 4,500 last week so you can work out how long it's going to take if everyone wanted it. Assuming 80% take up which would be roughly 200,000 people we aren't three quarters of the way there and it's taken nearly seven months - at 4,500 per week we're still looking at three months to get everyone over 30 to have a single vaccination.

    The notion the vaccination rollout is near complete may be valid in some places - it's not valid in Newham.

    It's complete when everyone has been offered it, unless you propose forcing people to have it.
    Offered, and had the opportunity to have it.
    My daughter has been offered it. With the earliest appointment offered in two weeks, 30 miles away.
    But she’s been offered an appointment, certainly.
    Where is she? Availability must be rather variable, depending on your location.

    I logged on to book my second jab via the NHS website (first was via GP) on Wednesday, and picked a convenient centre in Cambridge, a short journey up the railway line.

    Thursday morning was booked solid. Appointments available Thursday afternoon and every day after that. Am all set up for Saturday morning.
    Oxfordshire.
    She’s 20 and logged on the day it was opened to her.
    Most of her friends are in similar positions.
    It’s simply arithmetic: the opened up to over 8 million people over just over a week during a period when they’re doing between 1 and 1.5 million first doses per week.
    There’s inevitably going to be a queue for a few weeks.
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,561
    Charles said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Charles said:

    GB News wonderful interview at the moment

    Who with?
    Roger Hallam.

    He’s very disarming.
    What does help XR is they have a very friendly, accommodating, press whose coverage is usually pretty favourable. Probably because they are on the right side of the environmental debate.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,692
    edited June 2021
    "The tyranny of spreadsheets
    How one of our most powerful tools became one of the most misused
    Tim Harford"

    https://www.ft.com/content/18db20d8-7726-43e2-87f1-c5861ad3dff5

    (via G search)


    "Early last October my phone rang. On the line was a researcher calling from Today, the BBC’s agenda-setting morning radio programme. She told me that something strange had happened, and she hoped I might be able to explain it.

    Nearly 16,000 positive Covid cases had disappeared completely from the UK’s contact tracing system. These were 16,000 people who should have been warned they were infected and a danger to others, 16,000 cases contact tracers should have been running down to figure out where the infected went, who they met and who else might be at risk. None of which was happening.

    Why had the cases disappeared? Apparently, Microsoft Excel had run out of numbers."
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,061
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    My older daughter, all of15, just schooled me on the use of non-binary pronouns

    Is she aware of the damaging effects of gendering animals?

    https://twitter.com/butnotthecity/status/1408046565395251204

    Gendering animals serves to normalise bioessentialist conceptions of gender. When we gender animals, we forget that sex is assigned. We begin to believe that sex is literally ~in~ the body.
    omFFFFFg

    In my defence I told my older daughter, quite firmly, that this violent identity politics of race/gender is a madness which we will look back on, with amazement, in a decade or two

    She scoffed, and returned to her Sociology GCSE Revision

    She'll probably ace it. She's Woke, but she's smart
    Are you sure that 'she' is the correct pronoun?
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,299
    theProle said:

    Leon said:

    Stocky said:

    Why has Israel been placed on the Green Watchlist?

    Because Israel won't allow anyone in

    It looks like HMG is being reasonable, reflective, and sensibly relaxed, and yet, in actuality, they are barely relaxing things at all
    I thought that Israel was happy to take double vaxed tourists now?
    Israel lets double vaccinated tourists in as part of groups, but has delayed reopening for individual travellers.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,748

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    My older daughter, all of15, just schooled me on the use of non-binary pronouns

    Is she aware of the damaging effects of gendering animals?

    https://twitter.com/butnotthecity/status/1408046565395251204

    Gendering animals serves to normalise bioessentialist conceptions of gender. When we gender animals, we forget that sex is assigned. We begin to believe that sex is literally ~in~ the body.
    omFFFFFg

    In my defence I told my older daughter, quite firmly, that this violent identity politics of race/gender is a madness which we will look back on, with amazement, in a decade or two

    She scoffed, and returned to her Sociology GCSE Revision

    She'll probably ace it. She's Woke, but she's smart
    Are you sure that 'she' is the correct pronoun?
    Yes. Because my other daughter is "they"

    I have been re-educated
  • Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905

    RobD said:

    stodge said:

    Evening all :)

    It's that time of the week (don't you just love it?) when I take a look at the latest vaccination numbers in my own back yard, the London Borough of Newham.

    This time last week, 143,429 adults over 30 had received a first vaccination - this week the number is 147,866 so that's 4,500 extra.

    Among all those over 16, it was 162,150 last week and this week it's 174,037 so nearly another 12,000 first vaccinations and well over half of them under 30 year olds so all welcome.

    Looking at 2nd vaccination numbers, the number of adults 30 and above who had received two vaccinations was 90,272 (84,870 last week) and for all over 16 it's 100,139 compared with 93,163 last week.

    The proportion of adults over 30 having received a first vaccination is now 58% compared with 56.3% last week while the second dose proportion is now 35.4% from 33.3% last week.

    There remain over 100,000 adults over 30 in Newham who have yet to be vaccinated - we did 4,500 last week so you can work out how long it's going to take if everyone wanted it. Assuming 80% take up which would be roughly 200,000 people we aren't three quarters of the way there and it's taken nearly seven months - at 4,500 per week we're still looking at three months to get everyone over 30 to have a single vaccination.

    The notion the vaccination rollout is near complete may be valid in some places - it's not valid in Newham.

    It's complete when everyone has been offered it, unless you propose forcing people to have it.
    Offered, and had the opportunity to have it.
    My daughter has been offered it. With the earliest appointment offered in two weeks, 30 miles away.
    But she’s been offered an appointment, certainly.
    Where is she? Availability must be rather variable, depending on your location.

    I logged on to book my second jab via the NHS website (first was via GP) on Wednesday, and picked a convenient centre in Cambridge, a short journey up the railway line.

    Thursday morning was booked solid. Appointments available Thursday afternoon and every day after that. Am all set up for Saturday morning.
    Oxfordshire.
    She’s 20 and logged on the day it was opened to her.
    Most of her friends are in similar positions.
    It’s simply arithmetic: the opened up to over 8 million people over just over a week during a period when they’re doing between 1 and 1.5 million first doses per week.
    There’s inevitably going to be a queue for a few weeks.
    Hmmmm... perhaps in that case it's all down to the mechanics of the booking system? When I put my details into the computer it probably thinks "Old git, has had Astra already, plenty of that going, offer tonnes of slots."

    Yes, that would make sense.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,478
    Taz said:

    Leon said:

    My older daughter, all of15, just schooled me on the use of non-binary pronouns

    Lovely stuff.

    My pronouns are eff and off.
    Edgy
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,561

    Taz said:

    Leon said:

    My older daughter, all of15, just schooled me on the use of non-binary pronouns

    Lovely stuff.

    My pronouns are eff and off.
    Edgy
    No, just eff and off.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 13,903
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    My older daughter, all of15, just schooled me on the use of non-binary pronouns

    Is she aware of the damaging effects of gendering animals?

    https://twitter.com/butnotthecity/status/1408046565395251204

    Gendering animals serves to normalise bioessentialist conceptions of gender. When we gender animals, we forget that sex is assigned. We begin to believe that sex is literally ~in~ the body.
    omFFFFFg

    In my defence I told my older daughter, quite firmly, that this violent identity politics of race/gender is a madness which we will look back on, with amazement, in a decade or two

    She scoffed, and returned to her Sociology GCSE Revision

    She'll probably ace it. She's Woke, but she's smart
    Are you sure that 'she' is the correct pronoun?
    Yes. Because my other daughter is "they"

    I have been re-educated
    'They' as a pronoun for a person annoys me greatly. Fine, decide to be a different sex. Whatever. But you can't decide to identify as plural.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,061
    algarkirk said:

    Charles said:

    AN: “but if you do that it will lead to an economic slump and destitution”

    Extinction Rebellion : “Yes”

    AN: “what?”

    ER: “I’m not disagreeing with you”

    XR top people are very open about things, XR isn't about saving the planet, it is about destroying the whole capitalist system. Returning to a world of self sufficiency, communal manual labour and bartering.
    Two questions for XR: What is the sustainable human population worldwide if your aims are achieved.

    Does your personal lifestyle, wealth, salary, pension plan, ambition and family life reflect what you want for the world as a whole.

    My answer to the first question is zero. However I don't think that is official Labour Party policy....

    ...yet.

    To the second question, yes. By not procreating I'm doing my bit to facilitate the natural extinction of our species.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 42,049

    England soiling the bed here.

    8/2.

    If the score is tied does that mean England are the England of cricket?

    And super over = penalties?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,748
    It came from the lab. It was very possibly engineered to be more pathogenic for humans


    "These findings show that the earliest known SARS-CoV-2 isolates were surprisingly well adapted to bind strongly to human ACE2, helping explain its efficient human to human respiratory transmission. "

    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-021-92388-5
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,271
    England making hard work of this....
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,692
    Couldn't agree more with this Independent article.

    "The British have always had in common a streak of cussedness, and a dislike of being ordered about, and no tradition whatsoever of the forced jollity of this ludicrous One Britain One Nation song Gavin Williamson wants our children to sing, writes Sean O’Grady"

    https://www.independent.co.uk/independentpremium/politics-explained/one-britain-one-nation-song-patriotism-tories-b1871579.html
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 22,945
    Leon said:

    It came from the lab. It was very possibly engineered to be more pathogenic for humans


    "These findings show that the earliest known SARS-CoV-2 isolates were surprisingly well adapted to bind strongly to human ACE2, helping explain its efficient human to human respiratory transmission. "

    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-021-92388-5

    Alien tech or Bill Gates?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,478
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    My older daughter, all of15, just schooled me on the use of non-binary pronouns

    Is she aware of the damaging effects of gendering animals?

    https://twitter.com/butnotthecity/status/1408046565395251204

    Gendering animals serves to normalise bioessentialist conceptions of gender. When we gender animals, we forget that sex is assigned. We begin to believe that sex is literally ~in~ the body.
    omFFFFFg

    In my defence I told my older daughter, quite firmly, that this violent identity politics of race/gender is a madness which we will look back on, with amazement, in a decade or two

    She scoffed, and returned to her Sociology GCSE Revision

    She'll probably ace it. She's Woke, but she's smart
    Since when did you need to be smart to ace Sociology?

    Being Woke is the sole qualification.

    In fact, being smart might be a hindrance. You might just realise it’s all a load of bullshit.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,271
    England going to lose this.....
  • Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905
    My husband is making me sit through this cricket thing and I'm finding the concept a little difficult to follow.

    Is it like an episode of teatime quizzing favourite Pointless, where the object is to get the lowest score possible?
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    edited June 2021
    I'm confused about these violent woke gender identity politics peeps.

    Are they trying to abolish gender in an affront to nature removing it as an identity or are they trying to violently enforce gender?

    It is all so confusing.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,061
    Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    My older daughter, all of15, just schooled me on the use of non-binary pronouns

    Is she aware of the damaging effects of gendering animals?

    https://twitter.com/butnotthecity/status/1408046565395251204

    Gendering animals serves to normalise bioessentialist conceptions of gender. When we gender animals, we forget that sex is assigned. We begin to believe that sex is literally ~in~ the body.
    omFFFFFg

    In my defence I told my older daughter, quite firmly, that this violent identity politics of race/gender is a madness which we will look back on, with amazement, in a decade or two

    She scoffed, and returned to her Sociology GCSE Revision

    She'll probably ace it. She's Woke, but she's smart
    Are you sure that 'she' is the correct pronoun?
    Yes. Because my other daughter is "they"

    I have been re-educated
    'They' as a pronoun for a person annoys me greatly. Fine, decide to be a different sex. Whatever. But you can't decide to identify as plural.
    Would you care to suggest an alternative? An individual of unknown gender. And please don't suggest (s)he.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,478

    My husband is making me sit through this cricket thing and I'm finding the concept a little difficult to follow.

    Is it like an episode of teatime quizzing favourite Pointless, where the object is to get the lowest score possible?

    If you’re getting confused, switch to the Youtube stream from Bristol. Marnus Labuschagne is industriously thrashing Glamorgan to a sensational and bloody annoying victory chasing 217.
  • Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905

    England going to lose this.....

    I could've sworn they were just playing "Rain on Me" over the public address system. A plea to God for rescue?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,748

    Leon said:

    It came from the lab. It was very possibly engineered to be more pathogenic for humans


    "These findings show that the earliest known SARS-CoV-2 isolates were surprisingly well adapted to bind strongly to human ACE2, helping explain its efficient human to human respiratory transmission. "

    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-021-92388-5

    Alien tech or Bill Gates?
    You lot are gonna be quite bewildered when it turns out: I was right about Covid, I'm right about Lab Leak (this is all accepted now) and, I am right about the aliens being a huge story, whatever the conclusion (if any)
  • Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905
    ydoethur said:

    My husband is making me sit through this cricket thing and I'm finding the concept a little difficult to follow.

    Is it like an episode of teatime quizzing favourite Pointless, where the object is to get the lowest score possible?

    If you’re getting confused, switch to the Youtube stream from Bristol. Marnus Labuschagne is industriously thrashing Glamorgan to a sensational and bloody annoying victory chasing 217.
    You were saying?
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,411
    ydoethur said:

    My husband is making me sit through this cricket thing and I'm finding the concept a little difficult to follow.

    Is it like an episode of teatime quizzing favourite Pointless, where the object is to get the lowest score possible?

    If you’re getting confused, switch to the Youtube stream from Bristol. Marnus Labuschagne is industriously thrashing Glamorgan to a sensational and bloody annoying victory chasing 217.
    Kiss of death. Labuschagne out for a mere 33.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 12,684
    Andy_JS said:

    Couldn't agree more with this Independent article.

    "The British have always had in common a streak of cussedness, and a dislike of being ordered about, and no tradition whatsoever of the forced jollity of this ludicrous One Britain One Nation song Gavin Williamson wants our children to sing, writes Sean O’Grady"

    https://www.independent.co.uk/independentpremium/politics-explained/one-britain-one-nation-song-patriotism-tories-b1871579.html

    Yes. Whoever thought this one up has a tin ear. There would be, I imagine, lots of votes in getting our children to sing 'British Grenadiers' 'Hearts of Oak' and 'Invade Johnny Foreigner'. Perhaps the 'Don't Like the French' trio from Billy Budd should be on the syllabus. But 'One Boris One Supreme And Beloved Leader May He Live For Ever' gets me for the first time in ages thinking about switching my vote.

  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,012
    ydoethur said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    My older daughter, all of15, just schooled me on the use of non-binary pronouns

    Is she aware of the damaging effects of gendering animals?

    https://twitter.com/butnotthecity/status/1408046565395251204

    Gendering animals serves to normalise bioessentialist conceptions of gender. When we gender animals, we forget that sex is assigned. We begin to believe that sex is literally ~in~ the body.
    omFFFFFg

    In my defence I told my older daughter, quite firmly, that this violent identity politics of race/gender is a madness which we will look back on, with amazement, in a decade or two

    She scoffed, and returned to her Sociology GCSE Revision

    She'll probably ace it. She's Woke, but she's smart
    Since when did you need to be smart to ace Sociology?

    Being Woke is the sole qualification.

    In fact, being smart might be a hindrance. You might just realise it’s all a load of bullshit.
    Leon's daughter is doing sociology GCSE. You've just said she doesn't have to be smart just woke thereby negating a whole academic discipline.

    The sooner you fuck off out of teaching the better.
  • contrariancontrarian Posts: 5,818
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    It came from the lab. It was very possibly engineered to be more pathogenic for humans


    "These findings show that the earliest known SARS-CoV-2 isolates were surprisingly well adapted to bind strongly to human ACE2, helping explain its efficient human to human respiratory transmission. "

    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-021-92388-5

    Alien tech or Bill Gates?
    You lot are gonna be quite bewildered when it turns out: I was right about Covid, I'm right about Lab Leak (this is all accepted now) and, I am right about the aliens being a huge story, whatever the conclusion (if any)
    GB news has a Chinese scientist making some pretty fruity allegations about COVID
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 28,058
    Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    My older daughter, all of15, just schooled me on the use of non-binary pronouns

    Is she aware of the damaging effects of gendering animals?

    https://twitter.com/butnotthecity/status/1408046565395251204

    Gendering animals serves to normalise bioessentialist conceptions of gender. When we gender animals, we forget that sex is assigned. We begin to believe that sex is literally ~in~ the body.
    omFFFFFg

    In my defence I told my older daughter, quite firmly, that this violent identity politics of race/gender is a madness which we will look back on, with amazement, in a decade or two

    She scoffed, and returned to her Sociology GCSE Revision

    She'll probably ace it. She's Woke, but she's smart
    Are you sure that 'she' is the correct pronoun?
    Yes. Because my other daughter is "they"

    I have been re-educated
    'They' as a pronoun for a person annoys me greatly. Fine, decide to be a different sex. Whatever. But you can't decide to identify as plural.
    'They' has been used to mean he/she for some time now, not for people self-identifying as plural but as a way to write non-sexist documentation.

    According to Fowler's, singular they has been used for centuries. Something to do with anaphoric reference to a singular pronoun or noun (whatever that means).
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,866

    My husband is making me sit through this cricket thing and I'm finding the concept a little difficult to follow.

    Is it like an episode of teatime quizzing favourite Pointless, where the object is to get the lowest score possible?

    Cardiff isn't a quick scoring ground.

    I actually find it rather more interesting that the normal T20.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 22,945
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    It came from the lab. It was very possibly engineered to be more pathogenic for humans


    "These findings show that the earliest known SARS-CoV-2 isolates were surprisingly well adapted to bind strongly to human ACE2, helping explain its efficient human to human respiratory transmission. "

    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-021-92388-5

    Alien tech or Bill Gates?
    You lot are gonna be quite bewildered when it turns out: I was right about Covid, I'm right about Lab Leak (this is all accepted now) and, I am right about the aliens being a huge story, whatever the conclusion (if any)
    You think its coincidental that in the year aliens arrive on earth a pathogen cleverly engineered to be anti human pops up?

    Its either alien or its Gates driving up the value of his robots by reducing human competition.

    You will get there sooner or later, just need to believe harder.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,692

    My husband is making me sit through this cricket thing and I'm finding the concept a little difficult to follow.

    Is it like an episode of teatime quizzing favourite Pointless, where the object is to get the lowest score possible?

    This isn't real cricket. A 6 day test match is, like we had earlier in the week between New Zealand and India.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,271
    edited June 2021
    Lots of sportsmen in individual sports love to say "we" did x.....i know there is normally a team behind them, but still sounds rather strange when it wasn't the whole team who just jumped over the bar in the high jump.
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,561
    Andy_JS said:

    My husband is making me sit through this cricket thing and I'm finding the concept a little difficult to follow.

    Is it like an episode of teatime quizzing favourite Pointless, where the object is to get the lowest score possible?

    This isn't real cricket. A 6 day test match is, like we had earlier in the week between New Zealand and India.
    Real cricket starts in July. It’s called The Hundred
  • maaarshmaaarsh Posts: 3,590

    England going to lose this.....

    Nah Livingstone will get it done. Hopefully he gets a run in the side and breaks in to the insular clique after a long run carrying drinks.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 12,684

    Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    My older daughter, all of15, just schooled me on the use of non-binary pronouns

    Is she aware of the damaging effects of gendering animals?

    https://twitter.com/butnotthecity/status/1408046565395251204

    Gendering animals serves to normalise bioessentialist conceptions of gender. When we gender animals, we forget that sex is assigned. We begin to believe that sex is literally ~in~ the body.
    omFFFFFg

    In my defence I told my older daughter, quite firmly, that this violent identity politics of race/gender is a madness which we will look back on, with amazement, in a decade or two

    She scoffed, and returned to her Sociology GCSE Revision

    She'll probably ace it. She's Woke, but she's smart
    Are you sure that 'she' is the correct pronoun?
    Yes. Because my other daughter is "they"

    I have been re-educated
    'They' as a pronoun for a person annoys me greatly. Fine, decide to be a different sex. Whatever. But you can't decide to identify as plural.
    Would you care to suggest an alternative? An individual of unknown gender. And please don't suggest (s)he.
    'They' is acceptable for an unknown person, because 'it', the gender neutral pronoun is impolite. But 'they' for a known person is dismissive and less polite than he (or she). I suppose this is true for up to recently for most, but older ones are entitled to keep their grammar and vocabulary in general.

  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,271
    Taz said:

    Andy_JS said:

    My husband is making me sit through this cricket thing and I'm finding the concept a little difficult to follow.

    Is it like an episode of teatime quizzing favourite Pointless, where the object is to get the lowest score possible?

    This isn't real cricket. A 6 day test match is, like we had earlier in the week between New Zealand and India.
    Real cricket starts in July. It’s called The Hundred
    Off to GB News for you...
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,271
    edited June 2021
    maaarsh said:

    England going to lose this.....

    Nah Livingstone will get it done. Hopefully he gets a run in the side and breaks in to the insular clique after a long run carrying drinks.
    I personally like Sam Billings a lot. Always seems in control and unlucky not to get more game time.
  • Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905

    England going to lose this.....

    I could've sworn they were just playing "Rain on Me" over the public address system. A plea to God for rescue?
    Looks like it might be working... :smile:
  • Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905
    Andy_JS said:

    My husband is making me sit through this cricket thing and I'm finding the concept a little difficult to follow.

    Is it like an episode of teatime quizzing favourite Pointless, where the object is to get the lowest score possible?

    This isn't real cricket. A 6 day test match is, like we had earlier in the week between New Zealand and India.
    Taz said:

    Andy_JS said:

    My husband is making me sit through this cricket thing and I'm finding the concept a little difficult to follow.

    Is it like an episode of teatime quizzing favourite Pointless, where the object is to get the lowest score possible?

    This isn't real cricket. A 6 day test match is, like we had earlier in the week between New Zealand and India.
    Real cricket starts in July. It’s called The Hundred
    Why do I get the feeling that a fight may be about to break out?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,748

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    It came from the lab. It was very possibly engineered to be more pathogenic for humans


    "These findings show that the earliest known SARS-CoV-2 isolates were surprisingly well adapted to bind strongly to human ACE2, helping explain its efficient human to human respiratory transmission. "

    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-021-92388-5

    Alien tech or Bill Gates?
    You lot are gonna be quite bewildered when it turns out: I was right about Covid, I'm right about Lab Leak (this is all accepted now) and, I am right about the aliens being a huge story, whatever the conclusion (if any)
    You think its coincidental that in the year aliens arrive on earth a pathogen cleverly engineered to be anti human pops up?

    Its either alien or its Gates driving up the value of his robots by reducing human competition.

    You will get there sooner or later, just need to believe harder.
    I am doing my very British best, I promise, despite having a tiny tiny microchip embedded in my should %("*($)£""""Codecode
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    Still scope for Senate Dems to fuck this up but it somehow seems like Biden is about to rescue this whole debacle the Dems mired themselves in a turn it into a gigantic win.

    https://twitter.com/AJentleson/status/1408132577353945089?s=19
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    It came from the lab. It was very possibly engineered to be more pathogenic for humans


    "These findings show that the earliest known SARS-CoV-2 isolates were surprisingly well adapted to bind strongly to human ACE2, helping explain its efficient human to human respiratory transmission. "

    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-021-92388-5

    Alien tech or Bill Gates?
    You lot are gonna be quite bewildered when it turns out: I was right about Covid, I'm right about Lab Leak (this is all accepted now) and, I am right about the aliens being a huge story, whatever the conclusion (if any)
    You think its coincidental that in the year aliens arrive on earth a pathogen cleverly engineered to be anti human pops up?

    Its either alien or its Gates driving up the value of his robots by reducing human competition.

    You will get there sooner or later, just need to believe harder.
    I am doing my very British best, I promise, despite having a tiny tiny microchip embedded in my should %("*($)£""""Codecode
    Manchurian Candidate was on TV last night
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,885

    Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    My older daughter, all of15, just schooled me on the use of non-binary pronouns

    Is she aware of the damaging effects of gendering animals?

    https://twitter.com/butnotthecity/status/1408046565395251204

    Gendering animals serves to normalise bioessentialist conceptions of gender. When we gender animals, we forget that sex is assigned. We begin to believe that sex is literally ~in~ the body.
    omFFFFFg

    In my defence I told my older daughter, quite firmly, that this violent identity politics of race/gender is a madness which we will look back on, with amazement, in a decade or two

    She scoffed, and returned to her Sociology GCSE Revision

    She'll probably ace it. She's Woke, but she's smart
    Are you sure that 'she' is the correct pronoun?
    Yes. Because my other daughter is "they"

    I have been re-educated
    'They' as a pronoun for a person annoys me greatly. Fine, decide to be a different sex. Whatever. But you can't decide to identify as plural.
    'They' has been used to mean he/she for some time now, not for people self-identifying as plural but as a way to write non-sexist documentation.

    According to Fowler's, singular they has been used for centuries. Something to do with anaphoric reference to a singular pronoun or noun (whatever that means).
    anaphoric is basically about the context.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,061

    Lots of sportsmen in individual sports love to say "we" did x.....i know there is normally a team behind them, but still sounds rather strange when it wasn't the whole team who just jumped over the bar in the high jump.

    And didn't some obscure MP once say "We are a grandmother"?
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    rcs1000 said:

    Striking story from WWII:

    A mutiny began in the U.S. Army #OTD 1943 in Bamber Bridge, Lancs after U.S. Military Police attempted to arrest black soldiers from the 1511th Quartermaster Truck Regiment. When commanders demanded a colour bar in the town, pubs in the village posted “Black Troops Only” signs.

    https://twitter.com/EnglishRadical/status/1407960455876857857?s=20

    Something that makes me very proud to be British.
    Apparantly what really p*ssed the British publicans off was White GI's breaching a sacred British custom - refusing to queue for their beer and expecting to queue jump Black troops ahead of them and be served first - so when the demand for segregation came it was a very easy decision....
  • maaarshmaaarsh Posts: 3,590

    maaarsh said:

    England going to lose this.....

    Nah Livingstone will get it done. Hopefully he gets a run in the side and breaks in to the insular clique after a long run carrying drinks.
    I personally like Sam Billings a lot. Always seems in control and unlucky not to get more game time.
    Sadly I suspect we have another 18 months before they move on from Malan's statistical fluke and let some young (sub 30 anyway) talent have a go
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,012
    algarkirk said:

    Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    My older daughter, all of15, just schooled me on the use of non-binary pronouns

    Is she aware of the damaging effects of gendering animals?

    https://twitter.com/butnotthecity/status/1408046565395251204

    Gendering animals serves to normalise bioessentialist conceptions of gender. When we gender animals, we forget that sex is assigned. We begin to believe that sex is literally ~in~ the body.
    omFFFFFg

    In my defence I told my older daughter, quite firmly, that this violent identity politics of race/gender is a madness which we will look back on, with amazement, in a decade or two

    She scoffed, and returned to her Sociology GCSE Revision

    She'll probably ace it. She's Woke, but she's smart
    Are you sure that 'she' is the correct pronoun?
    Yes. Because my other daughter is "they"

    I have been re-educated
    'They' as a pronoun for a person annoys me greatly. Fine, decide to be a different sex. Whatever. But you can't decide to identify as plural.
    Would you care to suggest an alternative? An individual of unknown gender. And please don't suggest (s)he.
    'They' is acceptable for an unknown person, because 'it', the gender neutral pronoun is impolite. But 'they' for a known person is dismissive and less polite than he (or she). I suppose this is true for up to recently for most, but older ones are entitled to keep their grammar and vocabulary in general.

    I always use "they" when I relate some anecdata on PB as it adds another layer of inscrutability to the episode.
  • justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527

    Brom said:

    Pulpstar said:

    If Galloway beats Keith (Which I think is well possible) is he done for ?

    100% will be a leadership challenge. Labour tearing chunks out of each other will be another reminder why they shouldn't be in power. Burnham might flirt with having a go saying he has to think about the Nation as a whole before he runs away from his Manchester Mayoral job. Angela Rayner might well throw her hat in the ring too, she has no reason for loyalty to Sir Keith.
    I have no particular desire to see a Labour government, but Tories should stop gloating and being so complacent. They have a clown for a leader, and they just lost one of their safest seats to the Libs. Sir "Keith" as you strangely like to refer to him as, may well show resilience and have the last laugh. Stranger things have happened. A week is a long time...etc.
    But Starmer will have shown himself to be a bloody fool for calling the by election for 1st July - rather than early October. He appears to have learnt nothing from the self inflicted wound he inflicted on his party by persuading the Hartlepool MP to resign - rather than simply withdraw the Whip. His authority as Leader is already evaporating - very much akin to a football team captain kicking the ball - twice - into his own goal. He is clearly psephologically autistic.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,061
    algarkirk said:

    Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    My older daughter, all of15, just schooled me on the use of non-binary pronouns

    Is she aware of the damaging effects of gendering animals?

    https://twitter.com/butnotthecity/status/1408046565395251204

    Gendering animals serves to normalise bioessentialist conceptions of gender. When we gender animals, we forget that sex is assigned. We begin to believe that sex is literally ~in~ the body.
    omFFFFFg

    In my defence I told my older daughter, quite firmly, that this violent identity politics of race/gender is a madness which we will look back on, with amazement, in a decade or two

    She scoffed, and returned to her Sociology GCSE Revision

    She'll probably ace it. She's Woke, but she's smart
    Are you sure that 'she' is the correct pronoun?
    Yes. Because my other daughter is "they"

    I have been re-educated
    'They' as a pronoun for a person annoys me greatly. Fine, decide to be a different sex. Whatever. But you can't decide to identify as plural.
    Would you care to suggest an alternative? An individual of unknown gender. And please don't suggest (s)he.
    'They' is acceptable for an unknown person, because 'it', the gender neutral pronoun is impolite. But 'they' for a known person is dismissive and less polite than he (or she). I suppose this is true for up to recently for most, but older ones are entitled to keep their grammar and vocabulary in general.

    People sometimes use "it" for babies. Such as "When is it due?". Doesn't seem right to me.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,478
    Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    My older daughter, all of15, just schooled me on the use of non-binary pronouns

    Is she aware of the damaging effects of gendering animals?

    https://twitter.com/butnotthecity/status/1408046565395251204

    Gendering animals serves to normalise bioessentialist conceptions of gender. When we gender animals, we forget that sex is assigned. We begin to believe that sex is literally ~in~ the body.
    omFFFFFg

    In my defence I told my older daughter, quite firmly, that this violent identity politics of race/gender is a madness which we will look back on, with amazement, in a decade or two

    She scoffed, and returned to her Sociology GCSE Revision

    She'll probably ace it. She's Woke, but she's smart
    Are you sure that 'she' is the correct pronoun?
    Yes. Because my other daughter is "they"

    I have been re-educated
    'They' as a pronoun for a person annoys me greatly. Fine, decide to be a different sex. Whatever. But you can't decide to identify as plural.
    But “they” doesn’t always mean a plural.

    I always use “they” to refer to people I don’t really know because its safe and much less clumsy than writing “s/he” or other nonsense.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,271
    edited June 2021
    maaarsh said:

    maaarsh said:

    England going to lose this.....

    Nah Livingstone will get it done. Hopefully he gets a run in the side and breaks in to the insular clique after a long run carrying drinks.
    I personally like Sam Billings a lot. Always seems in control and unlucky not to get more game time.
    Sadly I suspect we have another 18 months before they move on from Malan's statistical fluke and let some young (sub 30 anyway) talent have a go
    Billings is already 30. He is going to end up like one of those reserve premier league goalkeepers, who everybody knows is good, but plays hardly any games throughout their career.

    And because of T20 and being picked for England squad, Billings plays virtually no 4 day cricket, so no idea if he could be a test player.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,478

    ydoethur said:

    My husband is making me sit through this cricket thing and I'm finding the concept a little difficult to follow.

    Is it like an episode of teatime quizzing favourite Pointless, where the object is to get the lowest score possible?

    If you’re getting confused, switch to the Youtube stream from Bristol. Marnus Labuschagne is industriously thrashing Glamorgan to a sensational and bloody annoying victory chasing 217.
    Kiss of death. Labuschagne out for a mere 33.
    I will admit I was hoping for something like that.
  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 12,146

    Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    My older daughter, all of15, just schooled me on the use of non-binary pronouns

    Is she aware of the damaging effects of gendering animals?

    https://twitter.com/butnotthecity/status/1408046565395251204

    Gendering animals serves to normalise bioessentialist conceptions of gender. When we gender animals, we forget that sex is assigned. We begin to believe that sex is literally ~in~ the body.
    omFFFFFg

    In my defence I told my older daughter, quite firmly, that this violent identity politics of race/gender is a madness which we will look back on, with amazement, in a decade or two

    She scoffed, and returned to her Sociology GCSE Revision

    She'll probably ace it. She's Woke, but she's smart
    Are you sure that 'she' is the correct pronoun?
    Yes. Because my other daughter is "they"

    I have been re-educated
    'They' as a pronoun for a person annoys me greatly. Fine, decide to be a different sex. Whatever. But you can't decide to identify as plural.
    Would you care to suggest an alternative? An individual of unknown gender. And please don't suggest (s)he.
    In Sweden the new personal pronoun ‘hen’ is now common. So common I’ve almost stopped noticing it.

    Hon = she
    Han = he
    Hen = either or neither
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,478
    Alistair said:

    I'm confused about these violent woke gender identity politics peeps.

    Are they trying to abolish gender in an affront to nature removing it as an identity or are they trying to violently enforce gender?

    It is all so confusing.

    Those militantly in opposition to such people are just as obsessed with gender. For example @Cookie is “annoyed greatly” when someone doesn’t gender their language around them. Good grief.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,768
    True this.


  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,061
    Anecdote. We had a team call at work today...

    Northern colleague: "I like to take an hour for my dinner."

    Southern boss (sounding puzzled): "Do you mean lunch?"

  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,745
    Leon said:

    It came from the lab. It was very possibly engineered to be more pathogenic for humans


    "These findings show that the earliest known SARS-CoV-2 isolates were surprisingly well adapted to bind strongly to human ACE2, helping explain its efficient human to human respiratory transmission. "

    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-021-92388-5

    Aussies are already personae non gratae for China. This will confirm that.

    Hence even if SARS-CoV-2 did originally arise from a bat precursor virus, which remains unproven, it must have spent considerable time in an intermediate animal host to allow it to adapt its S protein sufficiently to then be able to bind human ACE2. There are currently no explanations for how or where such a transition could have occurred to generate a SARS-CoV-2 spike protein optimised for human ACE2.
    ... ... . . .
    To date, a virus directly related to SARS-CoV-2 has not been identified in bats or any other non-human species, leaving its origins unclear.
  • darkagedarkage Posts: 5,398
    edited June 2021
    TOPPING said:

    ydoethur said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    My older daughter, all of15, just schooled me on the use of non-binary pronouns

    Is she aware of the damaging effects of gendering animals?

    https://twitter.com/butnotthecity/status/1408046565395251204

    Gendering animals serves to normalise bioessentialist conceptions of gender. When we gender animals, we forget that sex is assigned. We begin to believe that sex is literally ~in~ the body.
    omFFFFFg

    In my defence I told my older daughter, quite firmly, that this violent identity politics of race/gender is a madness which we will look back on, with amazement, in a decade or two

    She scoffed, and returned to her Sociology GCSE Revision

    She'll probably ace it. She's Woke, but she's smart
    Since when did you need to be smart to ace Sociology?

    Being Woke is the sole qualification.

    In fact, being smart might be a hindrance. You might just realise it’s all a load of bullshit.
    Leon's daughter is doing sociology GCSE. You've just said she doesn't have to be smart just woke thereby negating a whole academic discipline.

    The sooner you fuck off out of teaching the better.
    A lot of people in teaching and academia have doubts about sociology and similar subjects.

  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,478

    Anecdote. We had a team call at work today...

    Northern colleague: "I like to take an hour for my dinner."

    Southern boss (sounding puzzled): "Do you mean lunch?"

    Do you mean bait?
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 4,694
    edited June 2021

    Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    My older daughter, all of15, just schooled me on the use of non-binary pronouns

    Is she aware of the damaging effects of gendering animals?

    https://twitter.com/butnotthecity/status/1408046565395251204

    Gendering animals serves to normalise bioessentialist conceptions of gender. When we gender animals, we forget that sex is assigned. We begin to believe that sex is literally ~in~ the body.
    omFFFFFg

    In my defence I told my older daughter, quite firmly, that this violent identity politics of race/gender is a madness which we will look back on, with amazement, in a decade or two

    She scoffed, and returned to her Sociology GCSE Revision

    She'll probably ace it. She's Woke, but she's smart
    Are you sure that 'she' is the correct pronoun?
    Yes. Because my other daughter is "they"

    I have been re-educated
    'They' as a pronoun for a person annoys me greatly. Fine, decide to be a different sex. Whatever. But you can't decide to identify as plural.
    Would you care to suggest an alternative? An individual of unknown gender. And please don't suggest (s)he.
    In Sweden the new personal pronoun ‘hen’ is now common. So common I’ve almost stopped noticing it.

    Hon = she
    Han = he
    Hen = either or neither
    I suppose our local equivalent to that is 'duck'. 'Hen' is definitely gendered.

    As in "Ey up, me duck".
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,748

    Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    My older daughter, all of15, just schooled me on the use of non-binary pronouns

    Is she aware of the damaging effects of gendering animals?

    https://twitter.com/butnotthecity/status/1408046565395251204

    Gendering animals serves to normalise bioessentialist conceptions of gender. When we gender animals, we forget that sex is assigned. We begin to believe that sex is literally ~in~ the body.
    omFFFFFg

    In my defence I told my older daughter, quite firmly, that this violent identity politics of race/gender is a madness which we will look back on, with amazement, in a decade or two

    She scoffed, and returned to her Sociology GCSE Revision

    She'll probably ace it. She's Woke, but she's smart
    Are you sure that 'she' is the correct pronoun?
    Yes. Because my other daughter is "they"

    I have been re-educated
    'They' as a pronoun for a person annoys me greatly. Fine, decide to be a different sex. Whatever. But you can't decide to identify as plural.
    But “they” doesn’t always mean a plural.

    I always use “they” to refer to people I don’t really know because its safe and much less clumsy than writing “s/he” or other nonsense.
    How do you even say "s/he"? Likewise, how do you say "Latinx"?!
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,478
    Leon said:

    Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    My older daughter, all of15, just schooled me on the use of non-binary pronouns

    Is she aware of the damaging effects of gendering animals?

    https://twitter.com/butnotthecity/status/1408046565395251204

    Gendering animals serves to normalise bioessentialist conceptions of gender. When we gender animals, we forget that sex is assigned. We begin to believe that sex is literally ~in~ the body.
    omFFFFFg

    In my defence I told my older daughter, quite firmly, that this violent identity politics of race/gender is a madness which we will look back on, with amazement, in a decade or two

    She scoffed, and returned to her Sociology GCSE Revision

    She'll probably ace it. She's Woke, but she's smart
    Are you sure that 'she' is the correct pronoun?
    Yes. Because my other daughter is "they"

    I have been re-educated
    'They' as a pronoun for a person annoys me greatly. Fine, decide to be a different sex. Whatever. But you can't decide to identify as plural.
    But “they” doesn’t always mean a plural.

    I always use “they” to refer to people I don’t really know because its safe and much less clumsy than writing “s/he” or other nonsense.
    How do you even say "s/he"? Likewise, how do you say "Latinx"?!
    I guess you don’t say it. You might say “he slash she”
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,012
    darkage said:

    TOPPING said:

    ydoethur said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    My older daughter, all of15, just schooled me on the use of non-binary pronouns

    Is she aware of the damaging effects of gendering animals?

    https://twitter.com/butnotthecity/status/1408046565395251204

    Gendering animals serves to normalise bioessentialist conceptions of gender. When we gender animals, we forget that sex is assigned. We begin to believe that sex is literally ~in~ the body.
    omFFFFFg

    In my defence I told my older daughter, quite firmly, that this violent identity politics of race/gender is a madness which we will look back on, with amazement, in a decade or two

    She scoffed, and returned to her Sociology GCSE Revision

    She'll probably ace it. She's Woke, but she's smart
    Since when did you need to be smart to ace Sociology?

    Being Woke is the sole qualification.

    In fact, being smart might be a hindrance. You might just realise it’s all a load of bullshit.
    Leon's daughter is doing sociology GCSE. You've just said she doesn't have to be smart just woke thereby negating a whole academic discipline.

    The sooner you fuck off out of teaching the better.
    A lot of people in teaching and academia have doubts about sociology and similar subjects.

    Extraordinary. Or perhaps not.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 28,913
    Good evening from Sheffield. On my way home from two very productive days of meetings in southern England, had organised a night out tonight with former colleagues. Got pulled mid-afternoon as colleagues new boss has contracted Covid and has spent the last week insisting everyone be in so he can "press the flesh!"

    Have people forgotten how bloody stubborn Covid is? Some of the people now isolating have been double jabbed - can they still pass it on to other people even if it doesn't make them ill?
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 4,694
    edited June 2021
    geoffw said:

    Leon said:

    It came from the lab. It was very possibly engineered to be more pathogenic for humans


    "These findings show that the earliest known SARS-CoV-2 isolates were surprisingly well adapted to bind strongly to human ACE2, helping explain its efficient human to human respiratory transmission. "

    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-021-92388-5

    Aussies are already personae non gratae for China. This will confirm that.

    Hence even if SARS-CoV-2 did originally arise from a bat precursor virus, which remains unproven, it must have spent considerable time in an intermediate animal host to allow it to adapt its S protein sufficiently to then be able to bind human ACE2. There are currently no explanations for how or where such a transition could have occurred to generate a SARS-CoV-2 spike protein optimised for human ACE2.
    ... ... . . .
    To date, a virus directly related to SARS-CoV-2 has not been identified in bats or any other non-human species, leaving its origins unclear.
    As I read it, it is essentially shouting LAB! but without being totally explicit.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,478
    darkage said:

    TOPPING said:

    ydoethur said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    My older daughter, all of15, just schooled me on the use of non-binary pronouns

    Is she aware of the damaging effects of gendering animals?

    https://twitter.com/butnotthecity/status/1408046565395251204

    Gendering animals serves to normalise bioessentialist conceptions of gender. When we gender animals, we forget that sex is assigned. We begin to believe that sex is literally ~in~ the body.
    omFFFFFg

    In my defence I told my older daughter, quite firmly, that this violent identity politics of race/gender is a madness which we will look back on, with amazement, in a decade or two

    She scoffed, and returned to her Sociology GCSE Revision

    She'll probably ace it. She's Woke, but she's smart
    Since when did you need to be smart to ace Sociology?

    Being Woke is the sole qualification.

    In fact, being smart might be a hindrance. You might just realise it’s all a load of bullshit.
    Leon's daughter is doing sociology GCSE. You've just said she doesn't have to be smart just woke thereby negating a whole academic discipline.

    The sooner you fuck off out of teaching the better.
    A lot of people in teaching and academia have doubts about sociology and similar subjects.

    Really? I’m surprised.

    Having taught it, I have no doubts at all. It’s history with all the actually difficult bits removed.

    Entertaining, in its own way, but not rigorous or intellectually demanding.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,478

    Good evening from Sheffield. On my way home from two very productive days of meetings in southern England, had organised a night out tonight with former colleagues. Got pulled mid-afternoon as colleagues new boss has contracted Covid and has spent the last week insisting everyone be in so he can "press the flesh!"

    Have people forgotten how bloody stubborn Covid is? Some of the people now isolating have been double jabbed - can they still pass it on to other people even if it doesn't make them ill?

    I hope you enjoy your night in the Midlands
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,514

    Good evening from Sheffield. On my way home from two very productive days of meetings in southern England, had organised a night out tonight with former colleagues. Got pulled mid-afternoon as colleagues new boss has contracted Covid and has spent the last week insisting everyone be in so he can "press the flesh!"

    Have people forgotten how bloody stubborn Covid is? Some of the people now isolating have been double jabbed - can they still pass it on to other people even if it doesn't make them ill?

    I think double vaccinated Folk are a lot less likely to be able to pass Covid on, but just as that can still catch it, it is possible. I think we will be making changes soon about how we deal with contacts, especially in the double vaccinated.
  • ClippPClippP Posts: 1,910
    ydoethur said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    My older daughter, all of15, just schooled me on the use of non-binary pronouns

    Is she aware of the damaging effects of gendering animals?

    https://twitter.com/butnotthecity/status/1408046565395251204

    Gendering animals serves to normalise bioessentialist conceptions of gender. When we gender animals, we forget that sex is assigned. We begin to believe that sex is literally ~in~ the body.
    omFFFFFg

    In my defence I told my older daughter, quite firmly, that this violent identity politics of race/gender is a madness which we will look back on, with amazement, in a decade or two

    She scoffed, and returned to her Sociology GCSE Revision

    She'll probably ace it. She's Woke, but she's smart
    Since when did you need to be smart to ace Sociology?

    Being Woke is the sole qualification.

    In fact, being smart might be a hindrance. You might just realise it’s all a load of bullshit.
    I always thought history was just sociology set somewhere in the past. Apart from the kings, and dates and battles stuff, which was rather boring really..
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,745

    Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    My older daughter, all of15, just schooled me on the use of non-binary pronouns

    Is she aware of the damaging effects of gendering animals?

    https://twitter.com/butnotthecity/status/1408046565395251204

    Gendering animals serves to normalise bioessentialist conceptions of gender. When we gender animals, we forget that sex is assigned. We begin to believe that sex is literally ~in~ the body.
    omFFFFFg

    In my defence I told my older daughter, quite firmly, that this violent identity politics of race/gender is a madness which we will look back on, with amazement, in a decade or two

    She scoffed, and returned to her Sociology GCSE Revision

    She'll probably ace it. She's Woke, but she's smart
    Are you sure that 'she' is the correct pronoun?
    Yes. Because my other daughter is "they"

    I have been re-educated
    'They' as a pronoun for a person annoys me greatly. Fine, decide to be a different sex. Whatever. But you can't decide to identify as plural.
    Would you care to suggest an alternative? An individual of unknown gender. And please don't suggest (s)he.
    In Sweden the new personal pronoun ‘hen’ is now common. So common I’ve almost stopped noticing it.

    Hon = she
    Han = he
    Hen = either or neither
    In Finland there is no distinction in pronouns by sex. "Hän" means both he and she. Also "se" (it) is used informally. This leads to very common mistakes in English. Often "she" is used to refer to a male person because it sounds like their own pronoun for "it".

  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,478
    edited June 2021
    ClippP said:

    ydoethur said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    My older daughter, all of15, just schooled me on the use of non-binary pronouns

    Is she aware of the damaging effects of gendering animals?

    https://twitter.com/butnotthecity/status/1408046565395251204

    Gendering animals serves to normalise bioessentialist conceptions of gender. When we gender animals, we forget that sex is assigned. We begin to believe that sex is literally ~in~ the body.
    omFFFFFg

    In my defence I told my older daughter, quite firmly, that this violent identity politics of race/gender is a madness which we will look back on, with amazement, in a decade or two

    She scoffed, and returned to her Sociology GCSE Revision

    She'll probably ace it. She's Woke, but she's smart
    Since when did you need to be smart to ace Sociology?

    Being Woke is the sole qualification.

    In fact, being smart might be a hindrance. You might just realise it’s all a load of bullshit.
    I always thought history was just sociology set somewhere in the past. Apart from the kings, and dates and battles stuff, which was rather boring really..
    Them’s fighting words! :smile:

    More seriously, sociology is in some ways the study of the theoretical basis for history. It just doesn’t include the most useful and most scientific aspects of it.* Rather, it reduces lots of events to theories, most of which don’t actually work in the real world.

    That does of course mean in many ways it is a wise choice of subject, as to the uninitiated it looks as rigorous as say, Physics but is in reality much easier.

    *Although I could make much the same criticism of A-level history, which doesn’t include historiography. But it does at least require you to grapple with a proper evidence base.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,012
    ydoethur said:

    darkage said:

    TOPPING said:

    ydoethur said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    My older daughter, all of15, just schooled me on the use of non-binary pronouns

    Is she aware of the damaging effects of gendering animals?

    https://twitter.com/butnotthecity/status/1408046565395251204

    Gendering animals serves to normalise bioessentialist conceptions of gender. When we gender animals, we forget that sex is assigned. We begin to believe that sex is literally ~in~ the body.
    omFFFFFg

    In my defence I told my older daughter, quite firmly, that this violent identity politics of race/gender is a madness which we will look back on, with amazement, in a decade or two

    She scoffed, and returned to her Sociology GCSE Revision

    She'll probably ace it. She's Woke, but she's smart
    Since when did you need to be smart to ace Sociology?

    Being Woke is the sole qualification.

    In fact, being smart might be a hindrance. You might just realise it’s all a load of bullshit.
    Leon's daughter is doing sociology GCSE. You've just said she doesn't have to be smart just woke thereby negating a whole academic discipline.

    The sooner you fuck off out of teaching the better.
    A lot of people in teaching and academia have doubts about sociology and similar subjects.

    Really? I’m surprised.

    Having taught it, I have no doubts at all. It’s history with all the actually difficult bits removed.

    Entertaining, in its own way, but not rigorous or intellectually demanding.
    Not surprised.
  • BigRichBigRich Posts: 3,492
    geoffw said:

    Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    My older daughter, all of15, just schooled me on the use of non-binary pronouns

    Is she aware of the damaging effects of gendering animals?

    https://twitter.com/butnotthecity/status/1408046565395251204

    Gendering animals serves to normalise bioessentialist conceptions of gender. When we gender animals, we forget that sex is assigned. We begin to believe that sex is literally ~in~ the body.
    omFFFFFg

    In my defence I told my older daughter, quite firmly, that this violent identity politics of race/gender is a madness which we will look back on, with amazement, in a decade or two

    She scoffed, and returned to her Sociology GCSE Revision

    She'll probably ace it. She's Woke, but she's smart
    Are you sure that 'she' is the correct pronoun?
    Yes. Because my other daughter is "they"

    I have been re-educated
    'They' as a pronoun for a person annoys me greatly. Fine, decide to be a different sex. Whatever. But you can't decide to identify as plural.
    Would you care to suggest an alternative? An individual of unknown gender. And please don't suggest (s)he.
    In Sweden the new personal pronoun ‘hen’ is now common. So common I’ve almost stopped noticing it.

    Hon = she
    Han = he
    Hen = either or neither
    In Finland there is no distinction in pronouns by sex. "Hän" means both he and she. Also "se" (it) is used informally. This leads to very common mistakes in English. Often "she" is used to refer to a male person because it sounds like their own pronoun for "it".

    If I recall correctly from the Finn, I lived with at university, the finish language has the smallest number of words of any European language and one of the smallest in the would.

  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 28,913

    Good evening from Sheffield. On my way home from two very productive days of meetings in southern England, had organised a night out tonight with former colleagues. Got pulled mid-afternoon as colleagues new boss has contracted Covid and has spent the last week insisting everyone be in so he can "press the flesh!"

    Have people forgotten how bloody stubborn Covid is? Some of the people now isolating have been double jabbed - can they still pass it on to other people even if it doesn't make them ill?

    I hope you enjoy your night in the Midlands
    lol from my usual latitude you are a southerner!!!
  • GnudGnud Posts: 298
    edited June 2021
    Charles said:

    Charles said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Charles said:

    GB News wonderful interview at the moment

    Who with?
    Roger Hallam.

    He’s very disarming.
    "Between at least 2017 and early 2019 he was studying for a PhD at King's College London, researching how to achieve social change through civil disobedience and radical movements."

    Sounds more autobiographical than independent research.
    Sure. But it would be fun to have a drink with him. He seems a nice guy and refreshing direct
    XR are an ecofascist apocalypse cult as a little bit of probing the Stroud connection will soon confirm. That dressing up in red robes and looking like ghosts too - it has a meaning. I hope MI5 keeps a bloody close watch on those people because apocalypse cults can be capable of acting in extreme - and I mean extreme - antisocial fashion.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,748
    geoffw said:

    Leon said:

    It came from the lab. It was very possibly engineered to be more pathogenic for humans


    "These findings show that the earliest known SARS-CoV-2 isolates were surprisingly well adapted to bind strongly to human ACE2, helping explain its efficient human to human respiratory transmission. "

    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-021-92388-5

    Aussies are already personae non gratae for China. This will confirm that.

    Hence even if SARS-CoV-2 did originally arise from a bat precursor virus, which remains unproven, it must have spent considerable time in an intermediate animal host to allow it to adapt its S protein sufficiently to then be able to bind human ACE2. There are currently no explanations for how or where such a transition could have occurred to generate a SARS-CoV-2 spike protein optimised for human ACE2.
    ... ... . . .
    To date, a virus directly related to SARS-CoV-2 has not been identified in bats or any other non-human species, leaving its origins unclear.
    The allergic, histrionic, and paranoid reaction of the CCP, plus Daszak, Fauci, et al, at the early stage of this crisis, is entirely explicable if you know what they suspected then: that the virus not only escaped from the lab, it was a lab-leaked virus which had been engineered to be more pathogenic for humanity

    Accidental lab leaks of natural viruses happen. Sad, but true. They happen all over the world. The UK nearly relaunched smallpox on homo sapiens


    If this, it turns out, is what happened in China, people will be sad, and upset, but ultimately understanding

    But a leak of a virus that was deliberately and controversially remade, via gain of function research, to be exceptionally evil and nasty? Thus killing millions?

    No one will forgive that. It is the kind of thing that starts wars. This is maybe why Fauci and Xi and their friends are totally freaking out

  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,478
    geoffw said:

    Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    My older daughter, all of15, just schooled me on the use of non-binary pronouns

    Is she aware of the damaging effects of gendering animals?

    https://twitter.com/butnotthecity/status/1408046565395251204

    Gendering animals serves to normalise bioessentialist conceptions of gender. When we gender animals, we forget that sex is assigned. We begin to believe that sex is literally ~in~ the body.
    omFFFFFg

    In my defence I told my older daughter, quite firmly, that this violent identity politics of race/gender is a madness which we will look back on, with amazement, in a decade or two

    She scoffed, and returned to her Sociology GCSE Revision

    She'll probably ace it. She's Woke, but she's smart
    Are you sure that 'she' is the correct pronoun?
    Yes. Because my other daughter is "they"

    I have been re-educated
    'They' as a pronoun for a person annoys me greatly. Fine, decide to be a different sex. Whatever. But you can't decide to identify as plural.
    Would you care to suggest an alternative? An individual of unknown gender. And please don't suggest (s)he.
    In Sweden the new personal pronoun ‘hen’ is now common. So common I’ve almost stopped noticing it.

    Hon = she
    Han = he
    Hen = either or neither
    In Finland there is no distinction in pronouns by sex. "Hän" means both he and she. Also "se" (it) is used informally. This leads to very common mistakes in English. Often "she" is used to refer to a male person because it sounds like their own pronoun for "it".

    Or in Ancient Hebrew, of course. Which caused more than a few confusing problems translating the Bible.

    And with that, good night.
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,866
    Leon said:

    geoffw said:

    Leon said:

    It came from the lab. It was very possibly engineered to be more pathogenic for humans


    "These findings show that the earliest known SARS-CoV-2 isolates were surprisingly well adapted to bind strongly to human ACE2, helping explain its efficient human to human respiratory transmission. "

    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-021-92388-5

    Aussies are already personae non gratae for China. This will confirm that.

    Hence even if SARS-CoV-2 did originally arise from a bat precursor virus, which remains unproven, it must have spent considerable time in an intermediate animal host to allow it to adapt its S protein sufficiently to then be able to bind human ACE2. There are currently no explanations for how or where such a transition could have occurred to generate a SARS-CoV-2 spike protein optimised for human ACE2.
    ... ... . . .
    To date, a virus directly related to SARS-CoV-2 has not been identified in bats or any other non-human species, leaving its origins unclear.
    The allergic, histrionic, and paranoid reaction of the CCP, plus Daszak, Fauci, et al, at the early stage of this crisis, is entirely explicable if you know what they suspected then: that the virus not only escaped from the lab, it was a lab-leaked virus which had been engineered to be more pathogenic for humanity

    Accidental lab leaks of natural viruses happen. Sad, but true. They happen all over the world. The UK nearly relaunched smallpox on homo sapiens


    If this, it turns out, is what happened in China, people will be sad, and upset, but ultimately understanding

    But a leak of a virus that was deliberately and controversially remade, via gain of function research, to be exceptionally evil and nasty? Thus killing millions?

    No one will forgive that. It is the kind of thing that starts wars. This is maybe why Fauci and Xi and their friends are totally freaking out

    Isn't the lad in Wuhan in partnership with somewhere in the US?
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,442

    MattW said:

    tlg86 said:

    Wow:

    Mark Rutte: "For me, Hungary has no place in the EU anymore”

    Rutte if they refuse to withdraw the legislation: “then as far as I am concerned, then there is nothing left for them in the EU”

    “This is such a fundamental point, that if we let that go, we are nothing more than a trading block and a currency


    https://twitter.com/SkyScottBeasley/status/1408077831091937288

    The horror!
    The mask slips.....as we know to EU bods, such an arrangement just isn't sufficient.
    No mask. The EU bods never intended for the EU to be that.

    It was only British politicians and Remainers who were adamant the EU was just a trade bloc etc despite Europeans being keen for that not to be what it was.

    It's why Britain was in hindsight fundamentally unsuitable for Europe. All the talk of two speeds etc never worked, either people should have got on board with the full project or got off the train.

    We eventually did the right thing and I hope the Dutch etc can now do the right thing for them without us in their way. Good luck to them. But yes the Hungarians should be expelled, but I don't think they can be. No idea how they fix that mess.
    Does the expulsion process even exist?

    The 'voluntary' process did not exist for the first 50 years, and then when it was 'created' it was deliberately crippled to make it impossible to use.

    And then people wonder whether certain things were said a little cynically. Duh.
    Not expelled but membership rights can be suspended, but it requires unanimity which Rutte won't be able to get.

    Poland and the other Visegrad states won't allow Hungary to be suspended, and vice-versa Hungary will protect the other Visegrad states.
    Hopefully unanimity minus one. :smile:
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,478
    ydoethur said:

    geoffw said:

    Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    My older daughter, all of15, just schooled me on the use of non-binary pronouns

    Is she aware of the damaging effects of gendering animals?

    https://twitter.com/butnotthecity/status/1408046565395251204

    Gendering animals serves to normalise bioessentialist conceptions of gender. When we gender animals, we forget that sex is assigned. We begin to believe that sex is literally ~in~ the body.
    omFFFFFg

    In my defence I told my older daughter, quite firmly, that this violent identity politics of race/gender is a madness which we will look back on, with amazement, in a decade or two

    She scoffed, and returned to her Sociology GCSE Revision

    She'll probably ace it. She's Woke, but she's smart
    Are you sure that 'she' is the correct pronoun?
    Yes. Because my other daughter is "they"

    I have been re-educated
    'They' as a pronoun for a person annoys me greatly. Fine, decide to be a different sex. Whatever. But you can't decide to identify as plural.
    Would you care to suggest an alternative? An individual of unknown gender. And please don't suggest (s)he.
    In Sweden the new personal pronoun ‘hen’ is now common. So common I’ve almost stopped noticing it.

    Hon = she
    Han = he
    Hen = either or neither
    In Finland there is no distinction in pronouns by sex. "Hän" means both he and she. Also "se" (it) is used informally. This leads to very common mistakes in English. Often "she" is used to refer to a male person because it sounds like their own pronoun for "it".

    Or in Ancient Hebrew, of course. Which caused more than a few confusing problems translating the Bible.

    And with that, good night.
    Well as the great poet Ariana Grande PBUH once said, God is a woman.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,407
    edited June 2021

    Leon said:

    My older daughter, all of15, just schooled me on the use of non-binary pronouns

    Is she aware of the damaging effects of gendering animals?

    https://twitter.com/butnotthecity/status/1408046565395251204

    Gendering animals serves to normalise bioessentialist conceptions of gender. When we gender animals, we forget that sex is assigned. We begin to believe that sex is literally ~in~ the body.
    Is that a joke/parody or serious? 😱
    Rather like the Marjorie Taylor Greene tweet I mentioned upthread, it's very hard to tell.

    Trans activists are like the Homousians/Homoiians/Arians/Nestorians/Monophysites/Monothelites of earlier times, arguing over arcane points of theology.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,477
    ClippP said:

    ydoethur said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    My older daughter, all of15, just schooled me on the use of non-binary pronouns

    Is she aware of the damaging effects of gendering animals?

    https://twitter.com/butnotthecity/status/1408046565395251204

    Gendering animals serves to normalise bioessentialist conceptions of gender. When we gender animals, we forget that sex is assigned. We begin to believe that sex is literally ~in~ the body.
    omFFFFFg

    In my defence I told my older daughter, quite firmly, that this violent identity politics of race/gender is a madness which we will look back on, with amazement, in a decade or two

    She scoffed, and returned to her Sociology GCSE Revision

    She'll probably ace it. She's Woke, but she's smart
    Since when did you need to be smart to ace Sociology?

    Being Woke is the sole qualification.

    In fact, being smart might be a hindrance. You might just realise it’s all a load of bullshit.
    I always thought history was just sociology set somewhere in the past. Apart from the kings, and dates and battles stuff, which was rather boring really..
    I remember from my 'O' level history (Oxford and Cambridge Board 1978) revising the "scramble for Africa" which as I recall was all about how Leopold's brutally took the Congo and what a bad man he was. Looking back it was 24 carat gold wokery. Leopold cancelled! Boris and Priti would despair.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,271
    Sky trying to ramp the Hundred....
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