If uniform national swing (UNS) applies then the Tories will make it three by-election wins out of t

Casino_Royale said:

beentheredonethat said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

And BBC now running the GB News story...explaining what is cancel culture and woke....not sure GB News could have paid for that publicity.

Speaking to BBC News on Tuesday, Richard Wilson, director of media group Stop Funding Hate, said that the immediate controversial tone meant "it's no surprise" that a reputable brand such as Kopparberg are "stepping away, and refusing to align with this".

The group has begun compiling a list of brands advertising on the fledgling channel - urging its 120,000 followers on Twitter to exert pressure on them on social media.

https://www.bbc.com/news/newsbeat-57483907

We have a little list....we put people and companies on our list....and invite a pile on.

Fucking Nazis.

They can easily be overruled by a countercampaign threatening an ever bigger boycott.

We heavily outnumber them. But, you have to turn the thumbscrew first.

Not on Twitter we can't.

Real people don't lurk on Twitter engaging with these puerile trolls.

darkage said:

MaxPB said:

Casino_Royale said:

There were queues round the block of very young people at Petersfield vaccination centre today. Dozens and dozens of them.

No let up as far as I can see.

That's great but to what end now? The scientists are saying vaccination isn't enough to bring an end to this. The whole political class is letting us down by giving this scientists a free hand to reshape the nature of this country without even as much as a single vote.

But the paradox here is that people support the lockdown. If there was a vote they would probably extend it.

No, I think if permanent lockdown was put to a vote it would lose. The issue here is that they're boiling the frog and idiots like Boris are falling for it.

Philip_Thompson said:

MaxPB said:

Casino_Royale said:

There were queues round the block of very young people at Petersfield vaccination centre today. Dozens and dozens of them.

No let up as far as I can see.

That's great but to what end now? The scientists are saying vaccination isn't enough to bring an end to this. The whole political class is letting us down by giving this scientists a free hand to reshape the nature of this country without even as much as a single vote.

I'm as angry and disappointed at the continuation of restrictions as anyone else but that's not really accurate.

Its ridiculous this garbage was swallowed from the scientists and its irritating nobody with the numeracy and balls to stand up to them said "wait, this is ridiculous" or even "what JCVI groups will these tens of thousands dead be from ...

... But in 4 weeks time every single adult in the country will be vaccinated that wants to be, anyone left unvaccinated its their own damned fault by then, which isn't the case today. In 4 weeks time there'll be millions more with second jabs.

So as ridiculous as this extension is, its not permanent.

The Times is already reporting that the scientists are pushing for another extension because 3 weeks won't be enough time. You're buying theor bullshit. 4 weeks is going to turn into a semi-permanent lockdown with social distancing and masks kept for the long term. This is the end goal for these scientists. They want to impose their joyless existence onto everyone in the country.

Been asked to appear as a talking head on TRT World's Nexus programme. Does anyone know this organization and/or the show? Is it respectable?

Philip_Thompson said:

MaxPB said:

Casino_Royale said:

There were queues round the block of very young people at Petersfield vaccination centre today. Dozens and dozens of them.

No let up as far as I can see.

That's great but to what end now? The scientists are saying vaccination isn't enough to bring an end to this. The whole political class is letting us down by giving this scientists a free hand to reshape the nature of this country without even as much as a single vote.

I'm as angry and disappointed at the continuation of restrictions as anyone else but that's not really accurate.

Its ridiculous this garbage was swallowed from the scientists and its irritating nobody with the numeracy and balls to stand up to them said "wait, this is ridiculous" or even "what JCVI groups will these tens of thousands dead be from ...

... But in 4 weeks time every single adult in the country will be vaccinated that wants to be, anyone left unvaccinated its their own damned fault by then, which isn't the case today. In 4 weeks time there'll be millions more with second jabs.

So as ridiculous as this extension is, its not permanent.

Maybe, I don't know, but this is feeling very much like the 'government scientists' in an Anya Rand novel so far.

darkage said:

Casino_Royale said:

beentheredonethat said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

And BBC now running the GB News story...explaining what is cancel culture and woke....not sure GB News could have paid for that publicity.

Speaking to BBC News on Tuesday, Richard Wilson, director of media group Stop Funding Hate, said that the immediate controversial tone meant "it's no surprise" that a reputable brand such as Kopparberg are "stepping away, and refusing to align with this".

The group has begun compiling a list of brands advertising on the fledgling channel - urging its 120,000 followers on Twitter to exert pressure on them on social media.

https://www.bbc.com/news/newsbeat-57483907

We have a little list....we put people and companies on our list....and invite a pile on.

Fucking Nazis.

They can easily be overruled by a countercampaign threatening an ever bigger boycott.

We heavily outnumber them. But, you have to turn the thumbscrew first.

They are doing a pretty good job at revealing themselves for what they are with this move, maybe it is time to follow Napoleons maxim of not interrupting the enemy whilst they are making a mistake.

Everyone who thinks the woke are the saviours of western civilisation, a view commonly expressed on here, can today see the reality: they are zealots and bullies who want to shut down all opposition and debate to their insane narrow minded view of the world where only one type of opinion is allowed.

"Everyone who thinks the woke are the saviours of western civilisation, a view commonly expressed on here . . ."

Really? Sounds like neo-wokeism to me!

TimT said:

Been asked to appear as a talking head on TRT World's Nexus programme. Does anyone know this organization and/or the show? Is it respectable?

TRT is owned by the Turkish Government and founded in 2015 well after Erdogan started to focus on his external reputation.

It's basically the Turkish equivalent of Russia Today.

So another day of encouraging data.

Infection curves flattening (or falling) in multiple districts in the north-west and also in parts of Yorkshire and the Midlands.

As predicted the areas which received Delta later are having their infections plateau at a lower level than those in the initial outbreak.

Scottish hospital numbers (a couple of weeks ahead of England's) also look good.

Thanks eek and TSE. Yes, it does appear to be that one. Fortunately, the subject is Wuhan, not anything related to Turkish activities. Still, I should probably be circumspect.

TimT said:

Been asked to appear as a talking head on TRT World's Nexus programme. Does anyone know this organization and/or the show? Is it respectable?

As per wiki -

In March 2020, the United States Justice Department required TRT World's Washington operation to register as an agent of the Government of Turkey, engaged in political activities, under the anti-propaganda Foreign Agents Registration Act. TRT World's arguments that it is independent were rejected by the US officials, who found that the Turkish government "exercises direction and control of TRT by regulation and oversight, and by controlling its leadership, budget, and content." Apart from some Russian and Chinese networks, other state-funded media including the Qatari-backed Al Jazeera, British-backed BBC News, French-backed France 24 and German-backed Deutsche Welle had not been determined to be foreign-government agents.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TRT_World

another_richard said:

So another day of encouraging data.

Infection curves flattening (or falling) in multiple districts in the north-west and also in parts of Yorkshire and the Midlands.

As predicted the areas which received Delta later are having their infections plateau at a lower level than those in the initial outbreak.

Scottish hospital numbers (a couple of weeks ahead of England's) also look good.

Well, it's fewer people dead of this awful thing so that's always good news, but that's all the good news there is.

It'll make no difference at all to the decision to stall again on July 19th.

Passing is poor in this game

Own goal by Germany

TimT said:

Thanks eek and TSE. Yes, it does appear to be that one. Fortunately, the subject is Wuhan, not anything related to Turkish activities. Still, I should probably be circumspect.

I can't find the link at the moment, but I'm fairly certain they were the ones who shamelessly edited one person's contribution to present that he was pro something when it was clear he was anti it.

darkage said:

MaxPB said:

darkage said:

MaxPB said:

Casino_Royale said:

There were queues round the block of very young people at Petersfield vaccination centre today. Dozens and dozens of them.

No let up as far as I can see.

That's great but to what end now? The scientists are saying vaccination isn't enough to bring an end to this. The whole political class is letting us down by giving this scientists a free hand to reshape the nature of this country without even as much as a single vote.

But the paradox here is that people support the lockdown. If there was a vote they would probably extend it.

No, I think if permanent lockdown was put to a vote it would lose. The issue here is that they're boiling the frog and idiots like Boris are falling for it.

I am not an opinion pollster but I would guess that people will support the current level of restrictions until such point as the double vaccination programme is concluded or the hospitalisation rate from the current problematic variant subsides. Thats the vibe I get. People seem to think that the current level of restriction isn't too difficult to live with rightly or wrongly. The scientists will inevitably be more on the cautious side, the politicians will need to read the public mood, it seems to me that Boris is doing that quite well at the moment, even though personally I agree that the restrictions should go.

restrictions might not be too bad for middle aged people but young are missing out on nightclubs, festivals and live music

noneoftheabove said:

Philip_Thompson said:

MaxPB said:

Casino_Royale said:

There were queues round the block of very young people at Petersfield vaccination centre today. Dozens and dozens of them.

No let up as far as I can see.

That's great but to what end now? The scientists are saying vaccination isn't enough to bring an end to this. The whole political class is letting us down by giving this scientists a free hand to reshape the nature of this country without even as much as a single vote.

I'm as angry and disappointed at the continuation of restrictions as anyone else but that's not really accurate.

Its ridiculous this garbage was swallowed from the scientists and its irritating nobody with the numeracy and balls to stand up to them said "wait, this is ridiculous" or even "what JCVI groups will these tens of thousands dead be from ...

... But in 4 weeks time every single adult in the country will be vaccinated that wants to be, anyone left unvaccinated its their own damned fault by then, which isn't the case today. In 4 weeks time there'll be millions more with second jabs.

So as ridiculous as this extension is, its not permanent.

You still believe what the government says, I look to the polls to see what they will do next. We are stuck until spring next year I am afraid.

The polls have turned now. The proportion saying 19 July is too fast is miniscule compared to those saying 21 June was too fast.

Black_Rook said:

Philip_Thompson said:

MaxPB said:

Casino_Royale said:

There were queues round the block of very young people at Petersfield vaccination centre today. Dozens and dozens of them.

No let up as far as I can see.

That's great but to what end now? The scientists are saying vaccination isn't enough to bring an end to this. The whole political class is letting us down by giving this scientists a free hand to reshape the nature of this country without even as much as a single vote.

I'm as angry and disappointed at the continuation of restrictions as anyone else but that's not really accurate.

Its ridiculous this garbage was swallowed from the scientists and its irritating nobody with the numeracy and balls to stand up to them said "wait, this is ridiculous" or even "what JCVI groups will these tens of thousands dead be from ...

... But in 4 weeks time every single adult in the country will be vaccinated that wants to be, anyone left unvaccinated its their own damned fault by then, which isn't the case today. In 4 weeks time there'll be millions more with second jabs.

So as ridiculous as this extension is, its not permanent.

Let's see where we are next month. After all, there are plenty more vaccination excuses left to use: presumably the vast bulk of the under 40s won't have been jabbed twice, the vaccines are supposedly much less effective against Delta on a single dose, some of the youngsters won't have had their first jabs for long enough even for those to take effect, many of the scientists are almost certain to shift the target to children, and the modellers will scream that the anti-vaxxers plus the elderly for whom the vaccinations haven't worked well will still be entirely sufficient to destroy the NHS if we don't lock down, to a greater or lesser extent, quite literally forever.

It's what the public health fascists ultimately want, and they're determined to have it.

I vape, (AKA electric cigarette) and like 98-99% of us I'm and ex smoker, only 1-2% of vapers are not ex-smokers, encouraging or at lest not impeding Vaping, would improve many more people health than trying to limit it. however teh Public heath altoratys around the would have tried to do this, the UK is better than most, but still we have petty stupid regulations. all to save the 1-2% of people who previously did not smock.

Its not about real public heath its about the desire to be the savvier, and all the kudos, respect and power that comes with it.

COVID and the pandemic are much more 'front page news' making it both harder for them to go too over the top but also more seductive.

I'm not saying all the people coming out with modals started off as bad people, just that ones you have been impotent and parsed for 15 months it will be very hard to let that go.

darkage said:

MaxPB said:

darkage said:

MaxPB said:

Casino_Royale said:

There were queues round the block of very young people at Petersfield vaccination centre today. Dozens and dozens of them.

No let up as far as I can see.

That's great but to what end now? The scientists are saying vaccination isn't enough to bring an end to this. The whole political class is letting us down by giving this scientists a free hand to reshape the nature of this country without even as much as a single vote.

But the paradox here is that people support the lockdown. If there was a vote they would probably extend it.

No, I think if permanent lockdown was put to a vote it would lose. The issue here is that they're boiling the frog and idiots like Boris are falling for it.

I am not an opinion pollster but I would guess that people will support the current level of restrictions until such point as the double vaccination programme is concluded or the hospitalisation rate from the current problematic variant subsides. Thats the vibe I get. People seem to think that the current level of restriction isn't too difficult to live with rightly or wrongly. The scientists will inevitably be more on the cautious side, the politicians will need to read the public mood, it seems to me that Boris is doing that quite well at the moment, even though personally I agree that the restrictions should go.

I do know a few opinion pollsters, their view is that the public aren't pro lockdown per se, they are pro not dying from a pandemic.

They do expect support for lockdown to crater when most of us are double vaxxed and Sunak turns off the support taps.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jun/15/samuel-kasumu-boris-johnson-race-adviser-tories-culture-wars

"There are some people in the government who feel like the right way to win is to pick a fight on the culture war and to exploit division," says PM's former advisor.

darkage said:

The GB News launch looks like it is going really well. It is a start up news channel so the poor picture quality doesn't really matter, people in the real world are interested in the content. Stop Funding Hate are giving them free promotion, effectively creating a news story whereas previously there would have been none (ie: watch this channel that the pathetic woke babies are trying to cancel!). It might be a turning point, the more mad the woke get about it, the more vexatious complaints about hate speech etc that they pursue against it, the more promotion they give it; and there is nothing really wrong with what the agenda they are following on GBNews, it will all look like common sense to the average Brit and very far from Fox News.

It was probably all they could have hoped for - the only people that would give it a chance were the anti-woke, and this is a recruiting sergeant for them like no other

Fascinating tidbit from the new book, New Pandemics, Old Politics, I am reading, particularly given the debate over COVID passports and the civil rights issues surrounding them.


The first anti-plague handbook had been drafted in the Italian and Adriatic city-states in the years after the apocalyptic shock of the 1348 Black Death. ... the plague came back after a few years, again and again over three centuries. ... The earliest boards of health were set up in Venice and Florence in the same year that the plague first appeared; these evolved into permanent magistracies over the next century, with authority to restrict travel and trade ... Italian cities also issued certificate of health to important traders and diplomats, so that they could pass freely through checkpoints. The first passports were health cards.

[my bold]

TheScreamingEagles said:

Covid vaccinations are to become mandatory for care home staff under plans to be announced by ministers, as they consider extending the move to all NHS staff.

The controversial measure sets up a likely battle with staff in both services and could see the government sued under European human rights law or equalities legislation for breaching the freedom of people who work in caring roles to decide what they put into their bodies.

The Guardian understands that ministers will confirm they are pushing ahead with compulsory vaccination for most of the 1.5 million people working in social care in England, despite employer and staff organisations in the sector warning that it could backfire and see workers quit rather than get immunised. Under the plans those working with adults will have 16 weeks to get vaccinated or face losing their jobs.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jun/15/covid-jabs-to-become-mandatory-for-care-home-staff-in-england

They can always resign.

Philip_Thompson said:

noneoftheabove said:

Philip_Thompson said:

MaxPB said:

Casino_Royale said:

There were queues round the block of very young people at Petersfield vaccination centre today. Dozens and dozens of them.

No let up as far as I can see.

That's great but to what end now? The scientists are saying vaccination isn't enough to bring an end to this. The whole political class is letting us down by giving this scientists a free hand to reshape the nature of this country without even as much as a single vote.

I'm as angry and disappointed at the continuation of restrictions as anyone else but that's not really accurate.

Its ridiculous this garbage was swallowed from the scientists and its irritating nobody with the numeracy and balls to stand up to them said "wait, this is ridiculous" or even "what JCVI groups will these tens of thousands dead be from ...

... But in 4 weeks time every single adult in the country will be vaccinated that wants to be, anyone left unvaccinated its their own damned fault by then, which isn't the case today. In 4 weeks time there'll be millions more with second jabs.

So as ridiculous as this extension is, its not permanent.

You still believe what the government says, I look to the polls to see what they will do next. We are stuck until spring next year I am afraid.

The polls have turned now. The proportion saying 19 July is too fast is miniscule compared to those saying 21 June was too fast.

I wonder if Boris will get a poll boost when he finally decides it is time for Freedom Day? People were angry about the virus being out of control, but rebounded back when the vaccines rolled out. It seems he should be punished, but maybe not

Perceval Gete, a 12-year-old French boy, is one of the youngest people in Europe to receive a COVID-19 vaccination, and to accommodate his young age, the nurse administering the jab had to use a special child-size needle.

His mother brought Perceval to a vaccination centre near Paris on Tuesday, the first day the age of eligibility in France was lowered to 12, because, she said, the more people get inoculated, the sooner pandemic restrictions can be lifted.

https://www.reuters.com/article/health-coronavirus-france-vaccination/with-child-size-needles-france-starts-giving-covid-jab-to-12-year-olds-idUSL5N2NX3WL

I do wonder if France has opened up vaccinations to 12 year olds its because they're running out of other people who want to get vaccinated.

another_richard said:

Perceval Gete, a 12-year-old French boy, is one of the youngest people in Europe to receive a COVID-19 vaccination, and to accommodate his young age, the nurse administering the jab had to use a special child-size needle.

His mother brought Perceval to a vaccination centre near Paris on Tuesday, the first day the age of eligibility in France was lowered to 12, because, she said, the more people get inoculated, the sooner pandemic restrictions can be lifted.

https://www.reuters.com/article/health-coronavirus-france-vaccination/with-child-size-needles-france-starts-giving-covid-jab-to-12-year-olds-idUSL5N2NX3WL

I do wonder if France has opened up vaccinations to 12 year olds its because they're running out of other people who want to get vaccinated.

Yes, at least in some parts.

Had my hair cut today by a bloke, prob in his early thirties, who was quite an assertive anti-vaxxer.

I was discussing the anti-vaxx/anti-lockdown faction amongst my mates with a friend whilst we had a little bike ride this morning - they are all self employed types whose business suffered because of the government restrictions - I think a lot of it is little more than the old thing of something going wrong in your personal life and wanting someone to blame, quite a natural thing

citycentre said:

Remember lockdowns as we had them would have been impossible to do in the 1990s as there was not the technology. We would have just had to get on with it

They had lockdowns in America in the flu epidemic a century ago. In fact, many were stricter than today. In San Francisco, an officer shot three people when one of them refused to wear a facemask.

Not that I want to give the ZeroCovidiots ideas ...

citycentre said:

darkage said:

MaxPB said:

darkage said:

MaxPB said:

Casino_Royale said:

There were queues round the block of very young people at Petersfield vaccination centre today. Dozens and dozens of them.

No let up as far as I can see.

That's great but to what end now? The scientists are saying vaccination isn't enough to bring an end to this. The whole political class is letting us down by giving this scientists a free hand to reshape the nature of this country without even as much as a single vote.

But the paradox here is that people support the lockdown. If there was a vote they would probably extend it.

No, I think if permanent lockdown was put to a vote it would lose. The issue here is that they're boiling the frog and idiots like Boris are falling for it.

I am not an opinion pollster but I would guess that people will support the current level of restrictions until such point as the double vaccination programme is concluded or the hospitalisation rate from the current problematic variant subsides. Thats the vibe I get. People seem to think that the current level of restriction isn't too difficult to live with rightly or wrongly. The scientists will inevitably be more on the cautious side, the politicians will need to read the public mood, it seems to me that Boris is doing that quite well at the moment, even though personally I agree that the restrictions should go.

restrictions might not be too bad for middle aged people but young are missing out on nightclubs, festivals and live music

I'm 56 and missing live music, worried I'm going to miss out on a festival in August, miss just being able to bimble along to the pub without booking, checking how many people are going to be there, etc, and independent travel mostly around Eastern Europe. As are most of my friends. Surely it's younger people with families who are happy in their locked down little worlds. We're the free generation.

FrancisUrquhart said:

For an England fan, France vs Germany, really is thr Alien vs Predator of football matches.

Nah, France v. Argentina.

Ich liebe Deutschland.

FrancisUrquhart said:

For an England fan, France vs Germany, really is thr Alien vs Predator of football matches.

There's also Scotland - Wales & USA - Australia

Big_G_NorthWales said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jun/15/covid-jabs-to-become-mandatory-for-care-home-staff-in-england

Quite right....we can't have unvaccinated people dealing with the most vulnerable people in society day in day out.

It will have wide support

Shame that raising taxes to pay them a proper wage won't have that support.

Afternoon all

You can stuff your Euro 2020 - fantastic racing at Ascot this afternoon. Real quality and while not the huge crowds of normal, at least some atmosphere to greet the winners.

Just a question - if Wimbledon is allowed capacity crowds for the semi finals and finals, what happens if they need to close the roof - doesn't that make it an indoor event?

Delta Farce: How Boris Johnson's incompetent handling of the new variant extended lockdown https://twitter.com/ByDonkeys/status/1404822229939113989/video/1

TheScreamingEagles said:

darkage said:

MaxPB said:

darkage said:

MaxPB said:

Casino_Royale said:

There were queues round the block of very young people at Petersfield vaccination centre today. Dozens and dozens of them.

No let up as far as I can see.

That's great but to what end now? The scientists are saying vaccination isn't enough to bring an end to this. The whole political class is letting us down by giving this scientists a free hand to reshape the nature of this country without even as much as a single vote.

But the paradox here is that people support the lockdown. If there was a vote they would probably extend it.

No, I think if permanent lockdown was put to a vote it would lose. The issue here is that they're boiling the frog and idiots like Boris are falling for it.

I am not an opinion pollster but I would guess that people will support the current level of restrictions until such point as the double vaccination programme is concluded or the hospitalisation rate from the current problematic variant subsides. Thats the vibe I get. People seem to think that the current level of restriction isn't too difficult to live with rightly or wrongly. The scientists will inevitably be more on the cautious side, the politicians will need to read the public mood, it seems to me that Boris is doing that quite well at the moment, even though personally I agree that the restrictions should go.

I do know a few opinion pollsters, their view is that the public aren't pro lockdown per se, they are pro not dying from a pandemic.

They do expect support for lockdown to crater when most of us are double vaxxed and Sunak turns off the support taps.

The problem is, the scientists will always generate fresh panic and claim that it's too soon to open up, people will believe them, and if Sunak does turn off the taps then there'll be no clamour amongst the frightened (who are largely Tory core voters aged about 87) for them to be turned back on, because they don't care about the economy. All that will happen is that desperate business owners and the about-to-be-unemployed will scream at Sunak to turn the taps back on.

It really could drag on indefinitely.

CatMan said:

stodge said:

Afternoon all

You can stuff your Euro 2020 - fantastic racing at Ascot this afternoon. Real quality and while not the huge crowds of normal, at least some atmosphere to greet the winners.

Just a question - if Wimbledon is allowed capacity crowds for the semi finals and finals, what happens if they need to close the roof - doesn't that make it an indoor event?

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/tennis/15282866/wimbledon-covid-government-test-event/

"Wimbledon given special permission to close roof if it rains despite gaining Government test status as outside event"

That seems anomalous to this observer.

They could be old-fashioned and not close the roof - after all, what's Wimbledon without a couple of rain interruptions and Cliff Richard leading a singalong?

...

Scott_xP said:

Delta Farce: How Boris Johnson's incompetent handling of the new variant extended lockdown https://twitter.com/ByDonkeys/status/1404822229939113989/video/1

Another impartial source! Sterling work

rcs1000 said:

@darkage

Lack of HD really matters for news channels. About 40% of Sky News viewership during the day is in the receptions of offices - which is quite brilliant positioning from Sky.

And nobody wants a grainy low res picture on that expensive HD TV.

Nobody told ITV about that with regards to the football....

isam said:

...

Scott_xP said:

Delta Farce: How Boris Johnson's incompetent handling of the new variant extended lockdown https://twitter.com/ByDonkeys/status/1404822229939113989/video/1

Another impartial source! Sterling work

And it has been disputed on here today by several posters

As for GBN's first slightly interesting controversy, four questions:

1) Do we describe those who protested about Kopparberg (which I quite like) advertising on GBN as "woke"?
2) Were Kopparberg themselves "woke" by yielding to the protests and withdrawing their advertising?
3) Are those who complain about 1) and 2) not also "woke" by association?
4) Will the GBN news team appear in the fight scene in Anchorman 3?

rcs1000 said:

@darkage

Lack of HD really matters for news channels. About 40% of Sky News viewership during the day is in the receptions of offices - which is quite brilliant positioning from Sky.

And nobody wants a grainy low res picture on that expensive HD TV.

I hear this. But maybe you should be thinking about GB News as a sort of counter-cultural upstart/ anti-establishment disrupter.

They aren't going to be an office reception news channel.

I personally think the crap picture and A-level media studies editing makes it look more authentic, or something. They're already doing ok on youtube.

BigRich said:

Nigelb said:

BigRich said:

Philip_Thompson said:

MaxPB said:

Casino_Royale said:

There were queues round the block of very young people at Petersfield vaccination centre today. Dozens and dozens of them.

No let up as far as I can see.

That's great but to what end now? The scientists are saying vaccination isn't enough to bring an end to this. The whole political class is letting us down by giving this scientists a free hand to reshape the nature of this country without even as much as a single vote.

I'm as angry and disappointed at the continuation of restrictions as anyone else but that's not really accurate.

Its ridiculous this garbage was swallowed from the scientists and its irritating nobody with the numeracy and balls to stand up to them said "wait, this is ridiculous" or even "what JCVI groups will these tens of thousands dead be from ...

... But in 4 weeks time every single adult in the country will be vaccinated that wants to be, anyone left unvaccinated its their own damned fault by then, which isn't the case today. In 4 weeks time there'll be millions more with second jabs.

So as ridiculous as this extension is, its not permanent.

Maybe, I don't know, but this is feeling very much like the 'government scientists' in an Anya Rand novel so far.

That the Soviet libertarian ?

She was born in 'imperial Russia, and witnessed the revelation, the civil war, and the early stages of the soviet era, but had a habit of speaking her mind even when it was not in her best interest, and her family help smuggle her out and to the US, where amongst other tings she wrought many books,

Her books, most of them, are fiction, but describe a reality that we seem to be approaching,

If you are intested I'm more than happy to buy you or anybody who wises any of her books, (her spelling is better than mine)

And she died suckling off the public teat, taking social security benefits from the US government. A hypocrite, like all other libertarians.

JohnLilburne said:

citycentre said:

darkage said:

MaxPB said:

darkage said:

MaxPB said:

Casino_Royale said:

There were queues round the block of very young people at Petersfield vaccination centre today. Dozens and dozens of them.

No let up as far as I can see.

That's great but to what end now? The scientists are saying vaccination isn't enough to bring an end to this. The whole political class is letting us down by giving this scientists a free hand to reshape the nature of this country without even as much as a single vote.

But the paradox here is that people support the lockdown. If there was a vote they would probably extend it.

No, I think if permanent lockdown was put to a vote it would lose. The issue here is that they're boiling the frog and idiots like Boris are falling for it.

I am not an opinion pollster but I would guess that people will support the current level of restrictions until such point as the double vaccination programme is concluded or the hospitalisation rate from the current problematic variant subsides. Thats the vibe I get. People seem to think that the current level of restriction isn't too difficult to live with rightly or wrongly. The scientists will inevitably be more on the cautious side, the politicians will need to read the public mood, it seems to me that Boris is doing that quite well at the moment, even though personally I agree that the restrictions should go.

restrictions might not be too bad for middle aged people but young are missing out on nightclubs, festivals and live music

I'm 56 and missing live music, worried I'm going to miss out on a festival in August, miss just being able to bimble along to the pub without booking, checking how many people are going to be there, etc, and independent travel mostly around Eastern Europe. As are most of my friends. Surely it's younger people with families who are happy in their locked down little worlds. We're the free generation.

Thats quite true, maybe the boomers (sorry to use that term) with their reunion tours etc will be hit as badly as the teenagers, who will always manage to find ways around restrictions like this.

Maybe Scotland should field the women on Friday...

I think what right leaning parties, referendum campaigns, and now news channels, seem to have cottoned onto is that they can bank on their left wing haters to hysterically over react to everything they do, and that in itself is the best advertising they can get. UKIP were at it in 2015 ‘shock and awful’ I think they called it -Farage and the ‘don’t let foreigners with AIDS be treated on the NHS’ during the debates Scott said he wouldn’t be on rings a bell

Paging Leon

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/ufo-investigations-us-considering-extraterrestrial-hypothesis

Andy_JS said:

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https://twitter.com/IKEAUKSupport/status/1404830673387597826

Have any of these companies actually watched it? The statements they are making makes it sound like GBNews output is one step away from the Daily Stormer, not basically a losd of people who were all on BBC, Sky and mainstream radio only a few weeks ago.

TheScreamingEagles said:

This is quite worrying.

Pirelli reveals cause of Azerbaijan GP high-speed tyre blowouts for Max Verstappen, Lance Stroll

Debris not found to be the cause of the tyre failures in Baku; Pirelli say their tyres had "no production or quality defect", with blowouts caused by "circumferential break on the inner sidewall, which can be related to the running conditions of the tyre"....

....Revised protocols have now been agreed with the FIA and will be introduced from the French GP this weekend.

https://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12433/12333511/pirelli-reveals-cause-of-azerbaijan-gp-high-speed-tyre-blowouts-for-max-verstappen-lance-stroll

Basically the teams had found a way to lower tyre pressures after the pressures were checked is the glaring subtext of the press release. So no sympathy for Verstappen, and Pirelli have put new procedures in place to stop this cheating in future.

"Internal party polling shows the Lib Dems are fast closing on the Conservatives in the Chesham and Amershan by-election race, with one party analyst “confident” they can claim an upset victory.

Liberal Democrat polling figures, seen by City A.M., put the party on 41 per cent and the Conservatives on 45 per cent just days before the 17 June by-election in the usually safe Tory seat."

https://www.cityam.com/exclusive-polling-puts-lib-dems-four-points-behind-tories-in-chesham-and-amersham-by-election/

Andy_JS said:

"Internal party polling shows the Lib Dems are fast closing on the Conservatives in the Chesham and Amershan by-election race, with one party analyst “confident” they can claim an upset victory.

Liberal Democrat polling figures, seen by City A.M., put the party on 41 per cent and the Conservatives on 45 per cent just days before the 17 June by-election in the usually safe Tory seat."

https://www.cityam.com/exclusive-polling-puts-lib-dems-four-points-behind-tories-in-chesham-and-amersham-by-election/

Leaked Lib Dem private polling is the Gold Standard.