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  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    And BBC now running the GB News story...explaining what is cancel culture and woke....not sure GB News could have paid for that publicity.

    Speaking to BBC News on Tuesday, Richard Wilson, director of media group Stop Funding Hate, said that the immediate controversial tone meant "it's no surprise" that a reputable brand such as Kopparberg are "stepping away, and refusing to align with this".

    The group has begun compiling a list of brands advertising on the fledgling channel - urging its 120,000 followers on Twitter to exert pressure on them on social media.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/newsbeat-57483907

    We have a little list....we put people and companies on our list....and invite a pile on.

    Fucking Nazis.
    They can easily be overruled by a countercampaign threatening an ever bigger boycott.

    We heavily outnumber them. But, you have to turn the thumbscrew first.
    Not on Twitter we can't.

    Real people don't lurk on Twitter engaging with these puerile trolls.
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 3,705
    darkage said:

    MaxPB said:

    There were queues round the block of very young people at Petersfield vaccination centre today. Dozens and dozens of them.

    No let up as far as I can see.

    That's great but to what end now? The scientists are saying vaccination isn't enough to bring an end to this. The whole political class is letting us down by giving this scientists a free hand to reshape the nature of this country without even as much as a single vote.
    But the paradox here is that people support the lockdown. If there was a vote they would probably extend it.
    But what's the trend there?
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,802
    darkage said:

    MaxPB said:

    There were queues round the block of very young people at Petersfield vaccination centre today. Dozens and dozens of them.

    No let up as far as I can see.

    That's great but to what end now? The scientists are saying vaccination isn't enough to bring an end to this. The whole political class is letting us down by giving this scientists a free hand to reshape the nature of this country without even as much as a single vote.
    But the paradox here is that people support the lockdown. If there was a vote they would probably extend it.
    No, I think if permanent lockdown was put to a vote it would lose. The issue here is that they're boiling the frog and idiots like Boris are falling for it.

    MaxPB said:

    There were queues round the block of very young people at Petersfield vaccination centre today. Dozens and dozens of them.

    No let up as far as I can see.

    That's great but to what end now? The scientists are saying vaccination isn't enough to bring an end to this. The whole political class is letting us down by giving this scientists a free hand to reshape the nature of this country without even as much as a single vote.
    I'm as angry and disappointed at the continuation of restrictions as anyone else but that's not really accurate.

    Its ridiculous this garbage was swallowed from the scientists and its irritating nobody with the numeracy and balls to stand up to them said "wait, this is ridiculous" or even "what JCVI groups will these tens of thousands dead be from ...

    ... But in 4 weeks time every single adult in the country will be vaccinated that wants to be, anyone left unvaccinated its their own damned fault by then, which isn't the case today. In 4 weeks time there'll be millions more with second jabs.

    So as ridiculous as this extension is, its not permanent.
    The Times is already reporting that the scientists are pushing for another extension because 3 weeks won't be enough time. You're buying theor bullshit. 4 weeks is going to turn into a semi-permanent lockdown with social distancing and masks kept for the long term. This is the end goal for these scientists. They want to impose their joyless existence onto everyone in the country.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 22,822

    MaxPB said:

    There were queues round the block of very young people at Petersfield vaccination centre today. Dozens and dozens of them.

    No let up as far as I can see.

    That's great but to what end now? The scientists are saying vaccination isn't enough to bring an end to this. The whole political class is letting us down by giving this scientists a free hand to reshape the nature of this country without even as much as a single vote.
    I'm as angry and disappointed at the continuation of restrictions as anyone else but that's not really accurate.

    Its ridiculous this garbage was swallowed from the scientists and its irritating nobody with the numeracy and balls to stand up to them said "wait, this is ridiculous" or even "what JCVI groups will these tens of thousands dead be from ...

    ... But in 4 weeks time every single adult in the country will be vaccinated that wants to be, anyone left unvaccinated its their own damned fault by then, which isn't the case today. In 4 weeks time there'll be millions more with second jabs.

    So as ridiculous as this extension is, its not permanent.
    You still believe what the government says, I look to the polls to see what they will do next. We are stuck until spring next year I am afraid.
  • TimTTimT Posts: 6,468
    Been asked to appear as a talking head on TRT World's Nexus programme. Does anyone know this organization and/or the show? Is it respectable?
  • Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905
    edited June 2021

    MaxPB said:

    There were queues round the block of very young people at Petersfield vaccination centre today. Dozens and dozens of them.

    No let up as far as I can see.

    That's great but to what end now? The scientists are saying vaccination isn't enough to bring an end to this. The whole political class is letting us down by giving this scientists a free hand to reshape the nature of this country without even as much as a single vote.
    I'm as angry and disappointed at the continuation of restrictions as anyone else but that's not really accurate.

    Its ridiculous this garbage was swallowed from the scientists and its irritating nobody with the numeracy and balls to stand up to them said "wait, this is ridiculous" or even "what JCVI groups will these tens of thousands dead be from ...

    ... But in 4 weeks time every single adult in the country will be vaccinated that wants to be, anyone left unvaccinated its their own damned fault by then, which isn't the case today. In 4 weeks time there'll be millions more with second jabs.

    So as ridiculous as this extension is, its not permanent.
    Let's see where we are next month. After all, there are plenty more vaccination excuses left to use: presumably the vast bulk of the under 40s won't have been jabbed twice, the vaccines are supposedly much less effective against Delta on a single dose, some of the youngsters won't have had their first jabs for long enough even for those to take effect, many of the scientists are almost certain to shift the target to children, and the modellers will scream that the anti-vaxxers plus the elderly for whom the vaccinations haven't worked well will still be entirely sufficient to destroy the NHS if we don't lock down, to a greater or lesser extent, quite literally forever.

    It's what the public health fascists ultimately want, and they're determined to have it.
  • BigRichBigRich Posts: 3,492

    MaxPB said:

    There were queues round the block of very young people at Petersfield vaccination centre today. Dozens and dozens of them.

    No let up as far as I can see.

    That's great but to what end now? The scientists are saying vaccination isn't enough to bring an end to this. The whole political class is letting us down by giving this scientists a free hand to reshape the nature of this country without even as much as a single vote.
    I'm as angry and disappointed at the continuation of restrictions as anyone else but that's not really accurate.

    Its ridiculous this garbage was swallowed from the scientists and its irritating nobody with the numeracy and balls to stand up to them said "wait, this is ridiculous" or even "what JCVI groups will these tens of thousands dead be from ...

    ... But in 4 weeks time every single adult in the country will be vaccinated that wants to be, anyone left unvaccinated its their own damned fault by then, which isn't the case today. In 4 weeks time there'll be millions more with second jabs.

    So as ridiculous as this extension is, its not permanent.
    Maybe, I don't know, but this is feeling very much like the 'government scientists' in an Anya Rand novel so far.
  • darkagedarkage Posts: 5,398

    And BBC now running the GB News story...explaining what is cancel culture and woke....not sure GB News could have paid for that publicity.

    Speaking to BBC News on Tuesday, Richard Wilson, director of media group Stop Funding Hate, said that the immediate controversial tone meant "it's no surprise" that a reputable brand such as Kopparberg are "stepping away, and refusing to align with this".

    The group has begun compiling a list of brands advertising on the fledgling channel - urging its 120,000 followers on Twitter to exert pressure on them on social media.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/newsbeat-57483907

    We have a little list....we put people and companies on our list....and invite a pile on.

    Fucking Nazis.
    They can easily be overruled by a countercampaign threatening an ever bigger boycott.

    We heavily outnumber them. But, you have to turn the thumbscrew first.
    They are doing a pretty good job at revealing themselves for what they are with this move, maybe it is time to follow Napoleons maxim of not interrupting the enemy whilst they are making a mistake.

    Everyone who thinks the woke are the saviours of western civilisation, a view commonly expressed on here, can today see the reality: they are zealots and bullies who want to shut down all opposition and debate to their insane narrow minded view of the world where only one type of opinion is allowed.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    darkage said:

    And BBC now running the GB News story...explaining what is cancel culture and woke....not sure GB News could have paid for that publicity.

    Speaking to BBC News on Tuesday, Richard Wilson, director of media group Stop Funding Hate, said that the immediate controversial tone meant "it's no surprise" that a reputable brand such as Kopparberg are "stepping away, and refusing to align with this".

    The group has begun compiling a list of brands advertising on the fledgling channel - urging its 120,000 followers on Twitter to exert pressure on them on social media.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/newsbeat-57483907

    We have a little list....we put people and companies on our list....and invite a pile on.

    Fucking Nazis.
    They can easily be overruled by a countercampaign threatening an ever bigger boycott.

    We heavily outnumber them. But, you have to turn the thumbscrew first.
    They are doing a pretty good job at revealing themselves for what they are with this move, maybe it is time to follow Napoleons maxim of not interrupting the enemy whilst they are making a mistake.

    Everyone who thinks the woke are the saviours of western civilisation, a view commonly expressed on here, can today see the reality: they are zealots and bullies who want to shut down all opposition and debate to their insane narrow minded view of the world where only one type of opinion is allowed.
    "Everyone who thinks the woke are the saviours of western civilisation, a view commonly expressed on here . . ."

    Really? Sounds like neo-wokeism to me!
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,631
    edited June 2021
    TimT said:

    Been asked to appear as a talking head on TRT World's Nexus programme. Does anyone know this organization and/or the show? Is it respectable?

    Is that the one that's been accused of being a mouthpiece of Erdoğan?

    Edit - Yup.

    https://www.al-monitor.com/originals/2020/03/justice-department-ordered-trt-world-turkey-register-fara.html

    https://www.justice.gov/nsd-fara/page/file/1282151/download
  • eekeek Posts: 28,370
    TimT said:

    Been asked to appear as a talking head on TRT World's Nexus programme. Does anyone know this organization and/or the show? Is it respectable?

    TRT is owned by the Turkish Government and founded in 2015 well after Erdogan started to focus on his external reputation.

    It's basically the Turkish equivalent of Russia Today.
  • RH1992RH1992 Posts: 788
    TimT said:

    Been asked to appear as a talking head on TRT World's Nexus programme. Does anyone know this organization and/or the show? Is it respectable?

    Turkish state controlled media that's less than editorially independent from the Turkish government and by extension Erdogan.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 26,595
    So another day of encouraging data.

    Infection curves flattening (or falling) in multiple districts in the north-west and also in parts of Yorkshire and the Midlands.

    As predicted the areas which received Delta later are having their infections plateau at a lower level than those in the initial outbreak.

    Scottish hospital numbers (a couple of weeks ahead of England's) also look good.
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,385

    And BBC now running the GB News story...explaining what is cancel culture and woke....not sure GB News could have paid for that publicity.

    Speaking to BBC News on Tuesday, Richard Wilson, director of media group Stop Funding Hate, said that the immediate controversial tone meant "it's no surprise" that a reputable brand such as Kopparberg are "stepping away, and refusing to align with this".

    The group has begun compiling a list of brands advertising on the fledgling channel - urging its 120,000 followers on Twitter to exert pressure on them on social media.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/newsbeat-57483907

    We have a little list....we put people and companies on our list....and invite a pile on.

    Fucking Nazis.
    But the more companies social media feeds panders to these idiots the more emboldened they become.
  • TimTTimT Posts: 6,468
    Thanks eek and TSE. Yes, it does appear to be that one. Fortunately, the subject is Wuhan, not anything related to Turkish activities. Still, I should probably be circumspect.
  • Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905

    MaxPB said:

    There were queues round the block of very young people at Petersfield vaccination centre today. Dozens and dozens of them.

    No let up as far as I can see.

    That's great but to what end now? The scientists are saying vaccination isn't enough to bring an end to this. The whole political class is letting us down by giving this scientists a free hand to reshape the nature of this country without even as much as a single vote.
    I'm as angry and disappointed at the continuation of restrictions as anyone else but that's not really accurate.

    Its ridiculous this garbage was swallowed from the scientists and its irritating nobody with the numeracy and balls to stand up to them said "wait, this is ridiculous" or even "what JCVI groups will these tens of thousands dead be from ...

    ... But in 4 weeks time every single adult in the country will be vaccinated that wants to be, anyone left unvaccinated its their own damned fault by then, which isn't the case today. In 4 weeks time there'll be millions more with second jabs.

    So as ridiculous as this extension is, its not permanent.
    You still believe what the government says, I look to the polls to see what they will do next. We are stuck until spring next year I am afraid.
    If the scientists can get us through to the Autumn with restrictions still in force - and I think they've an excellent chance of making it - then this is going to become permanent. People will simply become habituated to it. It's a profoundly evil form of social engineering that the Michie Brigade are trying to perform here, and they're winning.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    TimT said:

    Been asked to appear as a talking head on TRT World's Nexus programme. Does anyone know this organization and/or the show? Is it respectable?

    As per wiki -

    In March 2020, the United States Justice Department required TRT World's Washington operation to register as an agent of the Government of Turkey, engaged in political activities, under the anti-propaganda Foreign Agents Registration Act. TRT World's arguments that it is independent were rejected by the US officials, who found that the Turkish government "exercises direction and control of TRT by regulation and oversight, and by controlling its leadership, budget, and content." Apart from some Russian and Chinese networks, other state-funded media including the Qatari-backed Al Jazeera, British-backed BBC News, French-backed France 24 and German-backed Deutsche Welle had not been determined to be foreign-government agents.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TRT_World
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    Here's how to watch matches in 4k on the BBC via the iplayer app on your TV.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/help/questions/features/uhd-connected-tv/#/Notification

    Thanks.

    Strange it can't be done on the Sky Q box.

    Looks like my TV is on the list I think. Never used iPlayer on the TV itself as run everything through the Sky box so will have to see if it works. Thank you.
  • Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905

    So another day of encouraging data.

    Infection curves flattening (or falling) in multiple districts in the north-west and also in parts of Yorkshire and the Midlands.

    As predicted the areas which received Delta later are having their infections plateau at a lower level than those in the initial outbreak.

    Scottish hospital numbers (a couple of weeks ahead of England's) also look good.

    Well, it's fewer people dead of this awful thing so that's always good news, but that's all the good news there is.

    It'll make no difference at all to the decision to stall again on July 19th.
  • maaarshmaaarsh Posts: 3,590

    So another day of encouraging data.

    Infection curves flattening (or falling) in multiple districts in the north-west and also in parts of Yorkshire and the Midlands.

    As predicted the areas which received Delta later are having their infections plateau at a lower level than those in the initial outbreak.

    Scottish hospital numbers (a couple of weeks ahead of England's) also look good.

    Looking entirely possible that the North West 'outbreak' used to justify extending lockdown from the 21st of June when speaking on the 14th of June actually peaked on the 7th of June.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,034
    Passing is poor in this game
  • darkagedarkage Posts: 5,398
    MaxPB said:

    darkage said:

    MaxPB said:

    There were queues round the block of very young people at Petersfield vaccination centre today. Dozens and dozens of them.

    No let up as far as I can see.

    That's great but to what end now? The scientists are saying vaccination isn't enough to bring an end to this. The whole political class is letting us down by giving this scientists a free hand to reshape the nature of this country without even as much as a single vote.
    But the paradox here is that people support the lockdown. If there was a vote they would probably extend it.
    No, I think if permanent lockdown was put to a vote it would lose. The issue here is that they're boiling the frog and idiots like Boris are falling for it.
    I am not an opinion pollster but I would guess that people will support the current level of restrictions until such point as the double vaccination programme is concluded or the hospitalisation rate from the current problematic variant subsides. Thats the vibe I get. People seem to think that the current level of restriction isn't too difficult to live with rightly or wrongly. The scientists will inevitably be more on the cautious side, the politicians will need to read the public mood, it seems to me that Boris is doing that quite well at the moment, even though personally I agree that the restrictions should go.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,034
    Own goal by Germany
  • pingping Posts: 3,805
    Go France!
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,631
    TimT said:

    Thanks eek and TSE. Yes, it does appear to be that one. Fortunately, the subject is Wuhan, not anything related to Turkish activities. Still, I should probably be circumspect.

    I can't find the link at the moment, but I'm fairly certain they were the ones who shamelessly edited one person's contribution to present that he was pro something when it was clear he was anti it.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    MaxPB said:

    darkage said:

    MaxPB said:

    There were queues round the block of very young people at Petersfield vaccination centre today. Dozens and dozens of them.

    No let up as far as I can see.

    That's great but to what end now? The scientists are saying vaccination isn't enough to bring an end to this. The whole political class is letting us down by giving this scientists a free hand to reshape the nature of this country without even as much as a single vote.
    But the paradox here is that people support the lockdown. If there was a vote they would probably extend it.
    No, I think if permanent lockdown was put to a vote it would lose. The issue here is that they're boiling the frog and idiots like Boris are falling for it.

    MaxPB said:

    There were queues round the block of very young people at Petersfield vaccination centre today. Dozens and dozens of them.

    No let up as far as I can see.

    That's great but to what end now? The scientists are saying vaccination isn't enough to bring an end to this. The whole political class is letting us down by giving this scientists a free hand to reshape the nature of this country without even as much as a single vote.
    I'm as angry and disappointed at the continuation of restrictions as anyone else but that's not really accurate.

    Its ridiculous this garbage was swallowed from the scientists and its irritating nobody with the numeracy and balls to stand up to them said "wait, this is ridiculous" or even "what JCVI groups will these tens of thousands dead be from ...

    ... But in 4 weeks time every single adult in the country will be vaccinated that wants to be, anyone left unvaccinated its their own damned fault by then, which isn't the case today. In 4 weeks time there'll be millions more with second jabs.

    So as ridiculous as this extension is, its not permanent.
    The Times is already reporting that the scientists are pushing for another extension because 3 weeks won't be enough time. You're buying theor bullshit. 4 weeks is going to turn into a semi-permanent lockdown with social distancing and masks kept for the long term. This is the end goal for these scientists. They want to impose their joyless existence onto everyone in the country.
    I'm not buying their bullshit, I think the scientists are absolutely full of shit.

    One thing that's changed though this week compared to a month ago is the news is now getting increasingly dominated by people with our PoV saying how ridiculous this is and what harm its doing. Where were they a month ago?

    The Independent SAGE lot are getting squeezed out of the conversation. Postponing lockdown again is going to be electoral suicide - and that's the one thing Boris cares about above all others.
  • citycentrecitycentre Posts: 90
    darkage said:

    MaxPB said:

    darkage said:

    MaxPB said:

    There were queues round the block of very young people at Petersfield vaccination centre today. Dozens and dozens of them.

    No let up as far as I can see.

    That's great but to what end now? The scientists are saying vaccination isn't enough to bring an end to this. The whole political class is letting us down by giving this scientists a free hand to reshape the nature of this country without even as much as a single vote.
    But the paradox here is that people support the lockdown. If there was a vote they would probably extend it.
    No, I think if permanent lockdown was put to a vote it would lose. The issue here is that they're boiling the frog and idiots like Boris are falling for it.
    I am not an opinion pollster but I would guess that people will support the current level of restrictions until such point as the double vaccination programme is concluded or the hospitalisation rate from the current problematic variant subsides. Thats the vibe I get. People seem to think that the current level of restriction isn't too difficult to live with rightly or wrongly. The scientists will inevitably be more on the cautious side, the politicians will need to read the public mood, it seems to me that Boris is doing that quite well at the moment, even though personally I agree that the restrictions should go.
    restrictions might not be too bad for middle aged people but young are missing out on nightclubs, festivals and live music
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,990
    The Scotland Wales women is a better game than Germany France
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    MaxPB said:

    There were queues round the block of very young people at Petersfield vaccination centre today. Dozens and dozens of them.

    No let up as far as I can see.

    That's great but to what end now? The scientists are saying vaccination isn't enough to bring an end to this. The whole political class is letting us down by giving this scientists a free hand to reshape the nature of this country without even as much as a single vote.
    I'm as angry and disappointed at the continuation of restrictions as anyone else but that's not really accurate.

    Its ridiculous this garbage was swallowed from the scientists and its irritating nobody with the numeracy and balls to stand up to them said "wait, this is ridiculous" or even "what JCVI groups will these tens of thousands dead be from ...

    ... But in 4 weeks time every single adult in the country will be vaccinated that wants to be, anyone left unvaccinated its their own damned fault by then, which isn't the case today. In 4 weeks time there'll be millions more with second jabs.

    So as ridiculous as this extension is, its not permanent.
    You still believe what the government says, I look to the polls to see what they will do next. We are stuck until spring next year I am afraid.
    The polls have turned now. The proportion saying 19 July is too fast is miniscule compared to those saying 21 June was too fast.
  • BigRichBigRich Posts: 3,492

    MaxPB said:

    There were queues round the block of very young people at Petersfield vaccination centre today. Dozens and dozens of them.

    No let up as far as I can see.

    That's great but to what end now? The scientists are saying vaccination isn't enough to bring an end to this. The whole political class is letting us down by giving this scientists a free hand to reshape the nature of this country without even as much as a single vote.
    I'm as angry and disappointed at the continuation of restrictions as anyone else but that's not really accurate.

    Its ridiculous this garbage was swallowed from the scientists and its irritating nobody with the numeracy and balls to stand up to them said "wait, this is ridiculous" or even "what JCVI groups will these tens of thousands dead be from ...

    ... But in 4 weeks time every single adult in the country will be vaccinated that wants to be, anyone left unvaccinated its their own damned fault by then, which isn't the case today. In 4 weeks time there'll be millions more with second jabs.

    So as ridiculous as this extension is, its not permanent.
    Let's see where we are next month. After all, there are plenty more vaccination excuses left to use: presumably the vast bulk of the under 40s won't have been jabbed twice, the vaccines are supposedly much less effective against Delta on a single dose, some of the youngsters won't have had their first jabs for long enough even for those to take effect, many of the scientists are almost certain to shift the target to children, and the modellers will scream that the anti-vaxxers plus the elderly for whom the vaccinations haven't worked well will still be entirely sufficient to destroy the NHS if we don't lock down, to a greater or lesser extent, quite literally forever.

    It's what the public health fascists ultimately want, and they're determined to have it.
    I vape, (AKA electric cigarette) and like 98-99% of us I'm and ex smoker, only 1-2% of vapers are not ex-smokers, encouraging or at lest not impeding Vaping, would improve many more people health than trying to limit it. however teh Public heath altoratys around the would have tried to do this, the UK is better than most, but still we have petty stupid regulations. all to save the 1-2% of people who previously did not smock.

    Its not about real public heath its about the desire to be the savvier, and all the kudos, respect and power that comes with it.

    COVID and the pandemic are much more 'front page news' making it both harder for them to go too over the top but also more seductive.

    I'm not saying all the people coming out with modals started off as bad people, just that ones you have been impotent and parsed for 15 months it will be very hard to let that go.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,175

    So another day of encouraging data.

    Infection curves flattening (or falling) in multiple districts in the north-west and also in parts of Yorkshire and the Midlands.

    As predicted the areas which received Delta later are having their infections plateau at a lower level than those in the initial outbreak.

    Scottish hospital numbers (a couple of weeks ahead of England's) also look good.

    I think it’s a shame that no one asked the scientists what would have been an acceptable level of infection to proceed as planned on 21 June.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,631
    darkage said:

    MaxPB said:

    darkage said:

    MaxPB said:

    There were queues round the block of very young people at Petersfield vaccination centre today. Dozens and dozens of them.

    No let up as far as I can see.

    That's great but to what end now? The scientists are saying vaccination isn't enough to bring an end to this. The whole political class is letting us down by giving this scientists a free hand to reshape the nature of this country without even as much as a single vote.
    But the paradox here is that people support the lockdown. If there was a vote they would probably extend it.
    No, I think if permanent lockdown was put to a vote it would lose. The issue here is that they're boiling the frog and idiots like Boris are falling for it.
    I am not an opinion pollster but I would guess that people will support the current level of restrictions until such point as the double vaccination programme is concluded or the hospitalisation rate from the current problematic variant subsides. Thats the vibe I get. People seem to think that the current level of restriction isn't too difficult to live with rightly or wrongly. The scientists will inevitably be more on the cautious side, the politicians will need to read the public mood, it seems to me that Boris is doing that quite well at the moment, even though personally I agree that the restrictions should go.
    I do know a few opinion pollsters, their view is that the public aren't pro lockdown per se, they are pro not dying from a pandemic.

    They do expect support for lockdown to crater when most of us are double vaxxed and Sunak turns off the support taps.
  • maaarshmaaarsh Posts: 3,590
    tlg86 said:

    So another day of encouraging data.

    Infection curves flattening (or falling) in multiple districts in the north-west and also in parts of Yorkshire and the Midlands.

    As predicted the areas which received Delta later are having their infections plateau at a lower level than those in the initial outbreak.

    Scottish hospital numbers (a couple of weeks ahead of England's) also look good.

    I think it’s a shame that no one asked the scientists what would have been an acceptable level of infection to proceed as planned on 21 June.
    They more or less said the central projections was probably managable, but they couldn't risk it being on the high side of that in the range of projections. Clearly in practice it's going to be significantly below their projection and nothing will change in 2 weeks regardless.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 15,779
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jun/15/samuel-kasumu-boris-johnson-race-adviser-tories-culture-wars

    "There are some people in the government who feel like the right way to win is to pick a fight on the culture war and to exploit division," says PM's former advisor.
  • CatManCatMan Posts: 3,058
    ping said:

    Go France!

    Allez les Bleus!
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    darkage said:

    The GB News launch looks like it is going really well. It is a start up news channel so the poor picture quality doesn't really matter, people in the real world are interested in the content. Stop Funding Hate are giving them free promotion, effectively creating a news story whereas previously there would have been none (ie: watch this channel that the pathetic woke babies are trying to cancel!). It might be a turning point, the more mad the woke get about it, the more vexatious complaints about hate speech etc that they pursue against it, the more promotion they give it; and there is nothing really wrong with what the agenda they are following on GBNews, it will all look like common sense to the average Brit and very far from Fox News.

    It was probably all they could have hoped for - the only people that would give it a chance were the anti-woke, and this is a recruiting sergeant for them like no other
  • TimTTimT Posts: 6,468
    edited June 2021
    Fascinating tidbit from the new book, New Pandemics, Old Politics, I am reading, particularly given the debate over COVID passports and the civil rights issues surrounding them.


    The first anti-plague handbook had been drafted in the Italian and Adriatic city-states in the years after the apocalyptic shock of the 1348 Black Death. ... the plague came back after a few years, again and again over three centuries. ... The earliest boards of health were set up in Venice and Florence in the same year that the plague first appeared; these evolved into permanent magistracies over the next century, with authority to restrict travel and trade ... Italian cities also issued certificate of health to important traders and diplomats, so that they could pass freely through checkpoints. The first passports were health cards.

    [my bold]
  • BigRichBigRich Posts: 3,492

    darkage said:

    MaxPB said:

    darkage said:

    MaxPB said:

    There were queues round the block of very young people at Petersfield vaccination centre today. Dozens and dozens of them.

    No let up as far as I can see.

    That's great but to what end now? The scientists are saying vaccination isn't enough to bring an end to this. The whole political class is letting us down by giving this scientists a free hand to reshape the nature of this country without even as much as a single vote.
    But the paradox here is that people support the lockdown. If there was a vote they would probably extend it.
    No, I think if permanent lockdown was put to a vote it would lose. The issue here is that they're boiling the frog and idiots like Boris are falling for it.
    I am not an opinion pollster but I would guess that people will support the current level of restrictions until such point as the double vaccination programme is concluded or the hospitalisation rate from the current problematic variant subsides. Thats the vibe I get. People seem to think that the current level of restriction isn't too difficult to live with rightly or wrongly. The scientists will inevitably be more on the cautious side, the politicians will need to read the public mood, it seems to me that Boris is doing that quite well at the moment, even though personally I agree that the restrictions should go.
    restrictions might not be too bad for middle aged people but young are missing out on nightclubs, festivals and live music
    With 3.4 million people still on Furlough according to the most resent report, which admittedly only goes up to end of April, this is much more than just wishing to dance in a nightclub.

    file:///C:/Users/verek/Downloads/CBP-9152.pdf

    I understand that at the start of this month is is estimated to have come down to 2.4 million, but that's still a huge number of people.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,928

    Covid vaccinations are to become mandatory for care home staff under plans to be announced by ministers, as they consider extending the move to all NHS staff.

    The controversial measure sets up a likely battle with staff in both services and could see the government sued under European human rights law or equalities legislation for breaching the freedom of people who work in caring roles to decide what they put into their bodies.

    The Guardian understands that ministers will confirm they are pushing ahead with compulsory vaccination for most of the 1.5 million people working in social care in England, despite employer and staff organisations in the sector warning that it could backfire and see workers quit rather than get immunised. Under the plans those working with adults will have 16 weeks to get vaccinated or face losing their jobs.


    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jun/15/covid-jabs-to-become-mandatory-for-care-home-staff-in-england

    They can always resign.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,991
    edited June 2021
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jun/15/covid-jabs-to-become-mandatory-for-care-home-staff-in-england

    Quite right....we can't have unvaccinated people dealing with the most vulnerable people in society day in day out.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118

    MaxPB said:

    There were queues round the block of very young people at Petersfield vaccination centre today. Dozens and dozens of them.

    No let up as far as I can see.

    That's great but to what end now? The scientists are saying vaccination isn't enough to bring an end to this. The whole political class is letting us down by giving this scientists a free hand to reshape the nature of this country without even as much as a single vote.
    I'm as angry and disappointed at the continuation of restrictions as anyone else but that's not really accurate.

    Its ridiculous this garbage was swallowed from the scientists and its irritating nobody with the numeracy and balls to stand up to them said "wait, this is ridiculous" or even "what JCVI groups will these tens of thousands dead be from ...

    ... But in 4 weeks time every single adult in the country will be vaccinated that wants to be, anyone left unvaccinated its their own damned fault by then, which isn't the case today. In 4 weeks time there'll be millions more with second jabs.

    So as ridiculous as this extension is, its not permanent.
    You still believe what the government says, I look to the polls to see what they will do next. We are stuck until spring next year I am afraid.
    The polls have turned now. The proportion saying 19 July is too fast is miniscule compared to those saying 21 June was too fast.
    I wonder if Boris will get a poll boost when he finally decides it is time for Freedom Day? People were angry about the virus being out of control, but rebounded back when the vaccines rolled out. It seems he should be punished, but maybe not
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,631
    RobD said:

    Covid vaccinations are to become mandatory for care home staff under plans to be announced by ministers, as they consider extending the move to all NHS staff.

    The controversial measure sets up a likely battle with staff in both services and could see the government sued under European human rights law or equalities legislation for breaching the freedom of people who work in caring roles to decide what they put into their bodies.

    The Guardian understands that ministers will confirm they are pushing ahead with compulsory vaccination for most of the 1.5 million people working in social care in England, despite employer and staff organisations in the sector warning that it could backfire and see workers quit rather than get immunised. Under the plans those working with adults will have 16 weeks to get vaccinated or face losing their jobs.


    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jun/15/covid-jabs-to-become-mandatory-for-care-home-staff-in-england

    They can always resign.
    It's interesting, at work they've hired the finest solicitors in the country on making it mandatory for staff to have the vaccine.

    Their view it should be fine for new hires to have it in their contract of employment, for existing employees it gets a bit trickier, we have to make sure that there's no medical reason for them not to have the vaccine.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 26,595
    Perceval Gete, a 12-year-old French boy, is one of the youngest people in Europe to receive a COVID-19 vaccination, and to accommodate his young age, the nurse administering the jab had to use a special child-size needle.

    His mother brought Perceval to a vaccination centre near Paris on Tuesday, the first day the age of eligibility in France was lowered to 12, because, she said, the more people get inoculated, the sooner pandemic restrictions can be lifted.


    https://www.reuters.com/article/health-coronavirus-france-vaccination/with-child-size-needles-france-starts-giving-covid-jab-to-12-year-olds-idUSL5N2NX3WL

    I do wonder if France has opened up vaccinations to 12 year olds its because they're running out of other people who want to get vaccinated.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,991
    edited June 2021
    "The faculty of @YaleCompsci voted just minutes ago to entirely eliminate GRE scores from our PhD application process. Hooray!"

    https://twitter.com/_TheodoreKim/status/1404848177879072769

    Another culture battlefield in the US, the use of standardized tests for applications to academia.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,034

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jun/15/covid-jabs-to-become-mandatory-for-care-home-staff-in-england

    Quite right....we can't have unvaccinated people dealing with the most vulnerable people in society day in day out.

    It will have wide support
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,802

    Perceval Gete, a 12-year-old French boy, is one of the youngest people in Europe to receive a COVID-19 vaccination, and to accommodate his young age, the nurse administering the jab had to use a special child-size needle.

    His mother brought Perceval to a vaccination centre near Paris on Tuesday, the first day the age of eligibility in France was lowered to 12, because, she said, the more people get inoculated, the sooner pandemic restrictions can be lifted.


    https://www.reuters.com/article/health-coronavirus-france-vaccination/with-child-size-needles-france-starts-giving-covid-jab-to-12-year-olds-idUSL5N2NX3WL

    I do wonder if France has opened up vaccinations to 12 year olds its because they're running out of other people who want to get vaccinated.

    Yes, at least in some parts.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,070
    BigRich said:

    MaxPB said:

    There were queues round the block of very young people at Petersfield vaccination centre today. Dozens and dozens of them.

    No let up as far as I can see.

    That's great but to what end now? The scientists are saying vaccination isn't enough to bring an end to this. The whole political class is letting us down by giving this scientists a free hand to reshape the nature of this country without even as much as a single vote.
    I'm as angry and disappointed at the continuation of restrictions as anyone else but that's not really accurate.

    Its ridiculous this garbage was swallowed from the scientists and its irritating nobody with the numeracy and balls to stand up to them said "wait, this is ridiculous" or even "what JCVI groups will these tens of thousands dead be from ...

    ... But in 4 weeks time every single adult in the country will be vaccinated that wants to be, anyone left unvaccinated its their own damned fault by then, which isn't the case today. In 4 weeks time there'll be millions more with second jabs.

    So as ridiculous as this extension is, its not permanent.
    Maybe, I don't know, but this is feeling very much like the 'government scientists' in an Anya Rand novel so far.
    That the Soviet libertarian ?
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    Had my hair cut today by a bloke, prob in his early thirties, who was quite an assertive anti-vaxxer.

    I was discussing the anti-vaxx/anti-lockdown faction amongst my mates with a friend whilst we had a little bike ride this morning - they are all self employed types whose business suffered because of the government restrictions - I think a lot of it is little more than the old thing of something going wrong in your personal life and wanting someone to blame, quite a natural thing
  • TimTTimT Posts: 6,468
    Nigelb said:

    BigRich said:

    MaxPB said:

    There were queues round the block of very young people at Petersfield vaccination centre today. Dozens and dozens of them.

    No let up as far as I can see.

    That's great but to what end now? The scientists are saying vaccination isn't enough to bring an end to this. The whole political class is letting us down by giving this scientists a free hand to reshape the nature of this country without even as much as a single vote.
    I'm as angry and disappointed at the continuation of restrictions as anyone else but that's not really accurate.

    Its ridiculous this garbage was swallowed from the scientists and its irritating nobody with the numeracy and balls to stand up to them said "wait, this is ridiculous" or even "what JCVI groups will these tens of thousands dead be from ...

    ... But in 4 weeks time every single adult in the country will be vaccinated that wants to be, anyone left unvaccinated its their own damned fault by then, which isn't the case today. In 4 weeks time there'll be millions more with second jabs.

    So as ridiculous as this extension is, its not permanent.
    Maybe, I don't know, but this is feeling very much like the 'government scientists' in an Anya Rand novel so far.
    That the Soviet libertarian ?
    Alan Greenspan's cougar.
  • FishingFishing Posts: 5,036

    Remember lockdowns as we had them would have been impossible to do in the 1990s as there was not the technology. We would have just had to get on with it

    They had lockdowns in America in the flu epidemic a century ago. In fact, many were stricter than today. In San Francisco, an officer shot three people when one of them refused to wear a facemask.

    Not that I want to give the ZeroCovidiots ideas ...
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,991
    For an England fan, France vs Germany, really is thr Alien vs Predator of football matches.
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,241

    darkage said:

    MaxPB said:

    darkage said:

    MaxPB said:

    There were queues round the block of very young people at Petersfield vaccination centre today. Dozens and dozens of them.

    No let up as far as I can see.

    That's great but to what end now? The scientists are saying vaccination isn't enough to bring an end to this. The whole political class is letting us down by giving this scientists a free hand to reshape the nature of this country without even as much as a single vote.
    But the paradox here is that people support the lockdown. If there was a vote they would probably extend it.
    No, I think if permanent lockdown was put to a vote it would lose. The issue here is that they're boiling the frog and idiots like Boris are falling for it.
    I am not an opinion pollster but I would guess that people will support the current level of restrictions until such point as the double vaccination programme is concluded or the hospitalisation rate from the current problematic variant subsides. Thats the vibe I get. People seem to think that the current level of restriction isn't too difficult to live with rightly or wrongly. The scientists will inevitably be more on the cautious side, the politicians will need to read the public mood, it seems to me that Boris is doing that quite well at the moment, even though personally I agree that the restrictions should go.
    restrictions might not be too bad for middle aged people but young are missing out on nightclubs, festivals and live music
    I'm 56 and missing live music, worried I'm going to miss out on a festival in August, miss just being able to bimble along to the pub without booking, checking how many people are going to be there, etc, and independent travel mostly around Eastern Europe. As are most of my friends. Surely it's younger people with families who are happy in their locked down little worlds. We're the free generation.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118

    For an England fan, France vs Germany, really is thr Alien vs Predator of football matches.

    It's actually the only match I have bothered to watch live so far
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,631
    edited June 2021

    For an England fan, France vs Germany, really is thr Alien vs Predator of football matches.

    Nah, France v. Argentina.

    Ich liebe Deutschland.
  • moonshinemoonshine Posts: 5,747
    isam said:

    For an England fan, France vs Germany, really is thr Alien vs Predator of football matches.

    It's actually the only match I have bothered to watch live so far
    The holland game and the scots game were very entertaining.
  • CatManCatMan Posts: 3,058

    For an England fan, France vs Germany, really is thr Alien vs Predator of football matches.

    There's also Scotland - Wales & USA - Australia :trollface:
  • citycentrecitycentre Posts: 90
    Fishing said:

    Remember lockdowns as we had them would have been impossible to do in the 1990s as there was not the technology. We would have just had to get on with it

    They had lockdowns in America in the flu epidemic a century ago. In fact, many were stricter than today. In San Francisco, an officer shot three people when one of them refused to wear a facemask.

    Not that I want to give the ZeroCovidiots ideas ...
    they werent as strict as what we had. They just banned mass gatherings i think. And no way did they drag on like our lockdowns
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 22,822

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jun/15/covid-jabs-to-become-mandatory-for-care-home-staff-in-england

    Quite right....we can't have unvaccinated people dealing with the most vulnerable people in society day in day out.

    It will have wide support
    Shame that raising taxes to pay them a proper wage won't have that support.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,153

    Fishing said:

    Remember lockdowns as we had them would have been impossible to do in the 1990s as there was not the technology. We would have just had to get on with it

    They had lockdowns in America in the flu epidemic a century ago. In fact, many were stricter than today. In San Francisco, an officer shot three people when one of them refused to wear a facemask.

    Not that I want to give the ZeroCovidiots ideas ...
    they werent as strict as what we had. They just banned mass gatherings i think. And no way did they drag on like our lockdowns
    That's not really true: there are some excellent books on the Spanish flu experience, and a lot of places had masks, curfews and the like that were even stronger than we had this time around.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 13,874
    Afternoon all :)

    You can stuff your Euro 2020 - fantastic racing at Ascot this afternoon. Real quality and while not the huge crowds of normal, at least some atmosphere to greet the winners.

    Just a question - if Wimbledon is allowed capacity crowds for the semi finals and finals, what happens if they need to close the roof - doesn't that make it an indoor event?
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,153

    Perceval Gete, a 12-year-old French boy, is one of the youngest people in Europe to receive a COVID-19 vaccination, and to accommodate his young age, the nurse administering the jab had to use a special child-size needle.

    His mother brought Perceval to a vaccination centre near Paris on Tuesday, the first day the age of eligibility in France was lowered to 12, because, she said, the more people get inoculated, the sooner pandemic restrictions can be lifted.


    https://www.reuters.com/article/health-coronavirus-france-vaccination/with-child-size-needles-france-starts-giving-covid-jab-to-12-year-olds-idUSL5N2NX3WL

    I do wonder if France has opened up vaccinations to 12 year olds its because they're running out of other people who want to get vaccinated.

    I'm sure that's right, but the French are making the right choice - get everyone who wants to be vaccinated jabbed as quickly as possible.

    The fewer people who are carriers, the less room the virus to spread.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,990
    Delta Farce: How Boris Johnson's incompetent handling of the new variant extended lockdown https://twitter.com/ByDonkeys/status/1404822229939113989/video/1
  • CatManCatMan Posts: 3,058
    edited June 2021
    stodge said:

    Afternoon all :)

    You can stuff your Euro 2020 - fantastic racing at Ascot this afternoon. Real quality and while not the huge crowds of normal, at least some atmosphere to greet the winners.

    Just a question - if Wimbledon is allowed capacity crowds for the semi finals and finals, what happens if they need to close the roof - doesn't that make it an indoor event?

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/tennis/15282866/wimbledon-covid-government-test-event/

    "Wimbledon given special permission to close roof if it rains despite gaining Government test status as outside event"
  • Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905

    darkage said:

    MaxPB said:

    darkage said:

    MaxPB said:

    There were queues round the block of very young people at Petersfield vaccination centre today. Dozens and dozens of them.

    No let up as far as I can see.

    That's great but to what end now? The scientists are saying vaccination isn't enough to bring an end to this. The whole political class is letting us down by giving this scientists a free hand to reshape the nature of this country without even as much as a single vote.
    But the paradox here is that people support the lockdown. If there was a vote they would probably extend it.
    No, I think if permanent lockdown was put to a vote it would lose. The issue here is that they're boiling the frog and idiots like Boris are falling for it.
    I am not an opinion pollster but I would guess that people will support the current level of restrictions until such point as the double vaccination programme is concluded or the hospitalisation rate from the current problematic variant subsides. Thats the vibe I get. People seem to think that the current level of restriction isn't too difficult to live with rightly or wrongly. The scientists will inevitably be more on the cautious side, the politicians will need to read the public mood, it seems to me that Boris is doing that quite well at the moment, even though personally I agree that the restrictions should go.
    I do know a few opinion pollsters, their view is that the public aren't pro lockdown per se, they are pro not dying from a pandemic.

    They do expect support for lockdown to crater when most of us are double vaxxed and Sunak turns off the support taps.
    The problem is, the scientists will always generate fresh panic and claim that it's too soon to open up, people will believe them, and if Sunak does turn off the taps then there'll be no clamour amongst the frightened (who are largely Tory core voters aged about 87) for them to be turned back on, because they don't care about the economy. All that will happen is that desperate business owners and the about-to-be-unemployed will scream at Sunak to turn the taps back on.

    It really could drag on indefinitely.
  • glwglw Posts: 9,906

    For an England fan, France vs Germany, really is thr Alien vs Predator of football matches.

    Nah, France v. Argentina.

    Ich liebe Deutschland.
    I'd support any country against Argentina, even Scotland.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 13,874
    CatMan said:

    stodge said:

    Afternoon all :)

    You can stuff your Euro 2020 - fantastic racing at Ascot this afternoon. Real quality and while not the huge crowds of normal, at least some atmosphere to greet the winners.

    Just a question - if Wimbledon is allowed capacity crowds for the semi finals and finals, what happens if they need to close the roof - doesn't that make it an indoor event?

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/tennis/15282866/wimbledon-covid-government-test-event/

    "Wimbledon given special permission to close roof if it rains despite gaining Government test status as outside event"
    That seems anomalous to this observer.

    They could be old-fashioned and not close the roof - after all, what's Wimbledon without a couple of rain interruptions and Cliff Richard leading a singalong?
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,153
    @darkage

    Lack of HD really matters for news channels. About 40% of Sky News viewership during the day is in the receptions of offices - which is quite brilliant positioning from Sky.

    And nobody wants a grainy low res picture on that expensive HD TV.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    ...
    Scott_xP said:

    Delta Farce: How Boris Johnson's incompetent handling of the new variant extended lockdown https://twitter.com/ByDonkeys/status/1404822229939113989/video/1

    Another impartial source! Sterling work
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,011
    Dishy Rishi is being interviewed by Andrew Neil on GBN tomorrow evening.

    Might be worth tuning in ahead of the Frock Off final.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,991
    rcs1000 said:

    @darkage

    Lack of HD really matters for news channels. About 40% of Sky News viewership during the day is in the receptions of offices - which is quite brilliant positioning from Sky.

    And nobody wants a grainy low res picture on that expensive HD TV.

    Nobody told ITV about that with regards to the football....
  • BigRichBigRich Posts: 3,492
    Nigelb said:

    BigRich said:

    MaxPB said:

    There were queues round the block of very young people at Petersfield vaccination centre today. Dozens and dozens of them.

    No let up as far as I can see.

    That's great but to what end now? The scientists are saying vaccination isn't enough to bring an end to this. The whole political class is letting us down by giving this scientists a free hand to reshape the nature of this country without even as much as a single vote.
    I'm as angry and disappointed at the continuation of restrictions as anyone else but that's not really accurate.

    Its ridiculous this garbage was swallowed from the scientists and its irritating nobody with the numeracy and balls to stand up to them said "wait, this is ridiculous" or even "what JCVI groups will these tens of thousands dead be from ...

    ... But in 4 weeks time every single adult in the country will be vaccinated that wants to be, anyone left unvaccinated its their own damned fault by then, which isn't the case today. In 4 weeks time there'll be millions more with second jabs.

    So as ridiculous as this extension is, its not permanent.
    Maybe, I don't know, but this is feeling very much like the 'government scientists' in an Anya Rand novel so far.
    That the Soviet libertarian ?
    She was born in 'imperial Russia, and witnessed the revelation, the civil war, and the early stages of the soviet era, but had a habit of speaking her mind even when it was not in her best interest, and her family help smuggle her out and to the US, where amongst other tings she wrought many books,

    Her books, most of them, are fiction, but describe a reality that we seem to be approaching,

    If you are intested I'm more than happy to buy you or anybody who wises any of her books, (her spelling is better than mine)
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,034
    isam said:

    ...

    Scott_xP said:

    Delta Farce: How Boris Johnson's incompetent handling of the new variant extended lockdown https://twitter.com/ByDonkeys/status/1404822229939113989/video/1

    Another impartial source! Sterling work
    And it has been disputed on here today by several posters
  • stodgestodge Posts: 13,874

    Dishy Rishi is being interviewed by Andrew Neil on GBN tomorrow evening.

    Might be worth tuning in ahead of the Frock Off final.

    I'm trying to decide how long I can last before I either:

    a) watch some of the football?
    b) watch 5 minutes of GB News?
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,175

    Dishy Rishi is being interviewed by Andrew Neil on GBN tomorrow evening.

    Might be worth tuning in ahead of the Frock Off final.

    Wow - I hope Sunak knows that the last Chancellor to be interviewed by Andrew Neil didn’t stay as Chancellor for long!
  • stodgestodge Posts: 13,874
    edited June 2021
    As for GBN's first slightly interesting controversy, four questions:

    1) Do we describe those who protested about Kopparberg (which I quite like) advertising on GBN as "woke"?
    2) Were Kopparberg themselves "woke" by yielding to the protests and withdrawing their advertising?
    3) Are those who complain about 1) and 2) not also "woke" by association?
    4) Will the GBN news team appear in the fight scene in Anchorman 3?
  • BigRichBigRich Posts: 3,492
    rcs1000 said:

    @darkage

    Lack of HD really matters for news channels. About 40% of Sky News viewership during the day is in the receptions of offices - which is quite brilliant positioning from Sky.

    And nobody wants a grainy low res picture on that expensive HD TV.

    I suspect that few offices will what to have it for the moment, too unknown to controversial possible.

    I suspect they will get this and other technical issues sorted in the next couple of months, it is a pity for them, but probably considered more impotent to get it going and get some advertising money coming in ASAP
  • darkagedarkage Posts: 5,398
    rcs1000 said:

    @darkage

    Lack of HD really matters for news channels. About 40% of Sky News viewership during the day is in the receptions of offices - which is quite brilliant positioning from Sky.

    And nobody wants a grainy low res picture on that expensive HD TV.

    I hear this. But maybe you should be thinking about GB News as a sort of counter-cultural upstart/ anti-establishment disrupter.

    They aren't going to be an office reception news channel.

    I personally think the crap picture and A-level media studies editing makes it look more authentic, or something. They're already doing ok on youtube.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277
    I just had gin, tonic and fine quirky cheeses in the garden of a quite famous Tory judge (retired) who says he encountered Sir Kir ‘Royale’ Starmer many times as Kir Royale rose through the ranks

    Says Kir is outstandingly intelligent. But… zero charisma… is true

    Our best prime minister is probably a combo of Boris and Royale. Boris to win elections, Royale to rule
  • rpjsrpjs Posts: 3,787
    BigRich said:

    Nigelb said:

    BigRich said:

    MaxPB said:

    There were queues round the block of very young people at Petersfield vaccination centre today. Dozens and dozens of them.

    No let up as far as I can see.

    That's great but to what end now? The scientists are saying vaccination isn't enough to bring an end to this. The whole political class is letting us down by giving this scientists a free hand to reshape the nature of this country without even as much as a single vote.
    I'm as angry and disappointed at the continuation of restrictions as anyone else but that's not really accurate.

    Its ridiculous this garbage was swallowed from the scientists and its irritating nobody with the numeracy and balls to stand up to them said "wait, this is ridiculous" or even "what JCVI groups will these tens of thousands dead be from ...

    ... But in 4 weeks time every single adult in the country will be vaccinated that wants to be, anyone left unvaccinated its their own damned fault by then, which isn't the case today. In 4 weeks time there'll be millions more with second jabs.

    So as ridiculous as this extension is, its not permanent.
    Maybe, I don't know, but this is feeling very much like the 'government scientists' in an Anya Rand novel so far.
    That the Soviet libertarian ?
    She was born in 'imperial Russia, and witnessed the revelation, the civil war, and the early stages of the soviet era, but had a habit of speaking her mind even when it was not in her best interest, and her family help smuggle her out and to the US, where amongst other tings she wrought many books,

    Her books, most of them, are fiction, but describe a reality that we seem to be approaching,

    If you are intested I'm more than happy to buy you or anybody who wises any of her books, (her spelling is better than mine)
    And she died suckling off the public teat, taking social security benefits from the US government. A hypocrite, like all other libertarians.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,631
    Leon said:

    I just had gin, tonic and fine quirky cheeses in the garden of a quite famous Tory judge (retired) who says he encountered Sir Kir ‘Royale’ Starmer many times as Kir Royale rose through the ranks

    Says Kir is outstandingly intelligent. But… zero charisma… is true

    Our best prime minister is probably a combo of Boris and Royale. Boris to win elections, Royale to rule

    Starmer the Attlee to Johnson's Churchill?

    Just need WWIII to start.
  • darkagedarkage Posts: 5,398

    darkage said:

    MaxPB said:

    darkage said:

    MaxPB said:

    There were queues round the block of very young people at Petersfield vaccination centre today. Dozens and dozens of them.

    No let up as far as I can see.

    That's great but to what end now? The scientists are saying vaccination isn't enough to bring an end to this. The whole political class is letting us down by giving this scientists a free hand to reshape the nature of this country without even as much as a single vote.
    But the paradox here is that people support the lockdown. If there was a vote they would probably extend it.
    No, I think if permanent lockdown was put to a vote it would lose. The issue here is that they're boiling the frog and idiots like Boris are falling for it.
    I am not an opinion pollster but I would guess that people will support the current level of restrictions until such point as the double vaccination programme is concluded or the hospitalisation rate from the current problematic variant subsides. Thats the vibe I get. People seem to think that the current level of restriction isn't too difficult to live with rightly or wrongly. The scientists will inevitably be more on the cautious side, the politicians will need to read the public mood, it seems to me that Boris is doing that quite well at the moment, even though personally I agree that the restrictions should go.
    restrictions might not be too bad for middle aged people but young are missing out on nightclubs, festivals and live music
    I'm 56 and missing live music, worried I'm going to miss out on a festival in August, miss just being able to bimble along to the pub without booking, checking how many people are going to be there, etc, and independent travel mostly around Eastern Europe. As are most of my friends. Surely it's younger people with families who are happy in their locked down little worlds. We're the free generation.
    Thats quite true, maybe the boomers (sorry to use that term) with their reunion tours etc will be hit as badly as the teenagers, who will always manage to find ways around restrictions like this.
  • https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jun/15/covid-jabs-to-become-mandatory-for-care-home-staff-in-england

    Quite right....we can't have unvaccinated people dealing with the most vulnerable people in society day in day out.

    It will have wide support
    Shame that raising taxes to pay them a proper wage won't have that support.
    You can always voluntarily pay more tax. HMRC will take it.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,990
    Maybe Scotland should field the women on Friday...
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    rcs1000 said:

    Perceval Gete, a 12-year-old French boy, is one of the youngest people in Europe to receive a COVID-19 vaccination, and to accommodate his young age, the nurse administering the jab had to use a special child-size needle.

    His mother brought Perceval to a vaccination centre near Paris on Tuesday, the first day the age of eligibility in France was lowered to 12, because, she said, the more people get inoculated, the sooner pandemic restrictions can be lifted.


    https://www.reuters.com/article/health-coronavirus-france-vaccination/with-child-size-needles-france-starts-giving-covid-jab-to-12-year-olds-idUSL5N2NX3WL

    I do wonder if France has opened up vaccinations to 12 year olds its because they're running out of other people who want to get vaccinated.

    I'm sure that's right, but the French are making the right choice - get everyone who wants to be vaccinated jabbed as quickly as possible.

    The fewer people who are carriers, the less room the virus to spread.
    rcs1000 said:

    Perceval Gete, a 12-year-old French boy, is one of the youngest people in Europe to receive a COVID-19 vaccination, and to accommodate his young age, the nurse administering the jab had to use a special child-size needle.

    His mother brought Perceval to a vaccination centre near Paris on Tuesday, the first day the age of eligibility in France was lowered to 12, because, she said, the more people get inoculated, the sooner pandemic restrictions can be lifted.


    https://www.reuters.com/article/health-coronavirus-france-vaccination/with-child-size-needles-france-starts-giving-covid-jab-to-12-year-olds-idUSL5N2NX3WL

    I do wonder if France has opened up vaccinations to 12 year olds its because they're running out of other people who want to get vaccinated.

    I'm sure that's right, but the French are making the right choice - get everyone who wants to be vaccinated jabbed as quickly as possible.

    The fewer people who are carriers, the less room the virus to spread.
    Most of the teenager I personally know in WA State have gotten their first jab. My guess is that high percentage of new college students will be vaxed this Fall in this state.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    edited June 2021
    I think what right leaning parties, referendum campaigns, and now news channels, seem to have cottoned onto is that they can bank on their left wing haters to hysterically over react to everything they do, and that in itself is the best advertising they can get. UKIP were at it in 2015 ‘shock and awful’ I think they called it -Farage and the ‘don’t let foreigners with AIDS be treated on the NHS’ during the debates Scott said he wouldn’t be on rings a bell
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,631
    This is quite worrying.

    Pirelli reveals cause of Azerbaijan GP high-speed tyre blowouts for Max Verstappen, Lance Stroll

    Debris not found to be the cause of the tyre failures in Baku; Pirelli say their tyres had "no production or quality defect", with blowouts caused by "circumferential break on the inner sidewall, which can be related to the running conditions of the tyre"....

    ....Revised protocols have now been agreed with the FIA and will be introduced from the French GP this weekend.

    https://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12433/12333511/pirelli-reveals-cause-of-azerbaijan-gp-high-speed-tyre-blowouts-for-max-verstappen-lance-stroll
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,557
    "@IKEAUKSupport
    Replying to
    @chris_j_wood

    “IKEA has not knowingly advertised on GB News. We have safeguards in place to prevent our advertising from appearing on platforms that are not in line with our humanistic values and vision to side with the many people.
    2/3"

    https://twitter.com/IKEAUKSupport/status/1404830673387597826
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,991
    edited June 2021
    Andy_JS said:

    "@IKEAUKSupport
    Replying to
    @chris_j_wood

    “IKEA has not knowingly advertised on GB News. We have safeguards in place to prevent our advertising from appearing on platforms that are not in line with our humanistic values and vision to side with the many people.
    2/3"

    https://twitter.com/IKEAUKSupport/status/1404830673387597826

    Have any of these companies actually watched it? The statements they are making makes it sound like GBNews output is one step away from the Daily Stormer, not basically a losd of people who were all on BBC, Sky and mainstream radio only a few weeks ago.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 22,822

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jun/15/covid-jabs-to-become-mandatory-for-care-home-staff-in-england

    Quite right....we can't have unvaccinated people dealing with the most vulnerable people in society day in day out.

    It will have wide support
    Shame that raising taxes to pay them a proper wage won't have that support.
    You can always voluntarily pay more tax. HMRC will take it.
    If I gave all my income voluntarily to HMRC and could get them to somehow hypothecate it to care workers rather than give it one of Hancock's mates it might increase their annual income by a few pennies each.
  • maaarshmaaarsh Posts: 3,590

    This is quite worrying.

    Pirelli reveals cause of Azerbaijan GP high-speed tyre blowouts for Max Verstappen, Lance Stroll

    Debris not found to be the cause of the tyre failures in Baku; Pirelli say their tyres had "no production or quality defect", with blowouts caused by "circumferential break on the inner sidewall, which can be related to the running conditions of the tyre"....

    ....Revised protocols have now been agreed with the FIA and will be introduced from the French GP this weekend.

    https://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12433/12333511/pirelli-reveals-cause-of-azerbaijan-gp-high-speed-tyre-blowouts-for-max-verstappen-lance-stroll

    Basically the teams had found a way to lower tyre pressures after the pressures were checked is the glaring subtext of the press release. So no sympathy for Verstappen, and Pirelli have put new procedures in place to stop this cheating in future.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 26,595
    rcs1000 said:

    Perceval Gete, a 12-year-old French boy, is one of the youngest people in Europe to receive a COVID-19 vaccination, and to accommodate his young age, the nurse administering the jab had to use a special child-size needle.

    His mother brought Perceval to a vaccination centre near Paris on Tuesday, the first day the age of eligibility in France was lowered to 12, because, she said, the more people get inoculated, the sooner pandemic restrictions can be lifted.


    https://www.reuters.com/article/health-coronavirus-france-vaccination/with-child-size-needles-france-starts-giving-covid-jab-to-12-year-olds-idUSL5N2NX3WL

    I do wonder if France has opened up vaccinations to 12 year olds its because they're running out of other people who want to get vaccinated.

    I'm sure that's right, but the French are making the right choice - get everyone who wants to be vaccinated jabbed as quickly as possible.

    The fewer people who are carriers, the less room the virus to spread.
    Its the right policy but does suggest that France might max out the vaccinations at a dangerously low level.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,557
    "Internal party polling shows the Lib Dems are fast closing on the Conservatives in the Chesham and Amershan by-election race, with one party analyst “confident” they can claim an upset victory.

    Liberal Democrat polling figures, seen by City A.M., put the party on 41 per cent and the Conservatives on 45 per cent just days before the 17 June by-election in the usually safe Tory seat."

    https://www.cityam.com/exclusive-polling-puts-lib-dems-four-points-behind-tories-in-chesham-and-amersham-by-election/
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    Leon said:

    I just had gin, tonic and fine quirky cheeses in the garden of a quite famous Tory judge (retired) who says he encountered Sir Kir ‘Royale’ Starmer many times as Kir Royale rose through the ranks

    Says Kir is outstandingly intelligent. But… zero charisma… is true

    Our best prime minister is probably a combo of Boris and Royale. Boris to win elections, Royale to rule

    I think that you should write a London newspaper column, say twice a week, with at least one-third (better more) devoted to your wanders to & fro across the (mostly London & English) countryside. With the spice of your views on whatever topic has got you interested - obsessed - enthralled - enraged at any given moment.

    Certainly your word pictures, culinary reviews AND high-brow chit-chat are some of the best of PB.
  • maaarshmaaarsh Posts: 3,590
    Andy_JS said:

    "Internal party polling shows the Lib Dems are fast closing on the Conservatives in the Chesham and Amershan by-election race, with one party analyst “confident” they can claim an upset victory.

    Liberal Democrat polling figures, seen by City A.M., put the party on 41 per cent and the Conservatives on 45 per cent just days before the 17 June by-election in the usually safe Tory seat."

    https://www.cityam.com/exclusive-polling-puts-lib-dems-four-points-behind-tories-in-chesham-and-amersham-by-election/

    Leaked Lib Dem private polling is the Gold Standard.
  • https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jun/15/covid-jabs-to-become-mandatory-for-care-home-staff-in-england

    Quite right....we can't have unvaccinated people dealing with the most vulnerable people in society day in day out.

    It will have wide support
    Shame that raising taxes to pay them a proper wage won't have that support.
    You can always voluntarily pay more tax. HMRC will take it.
    If I gave all my income voluntarily to HMRC and could get them to somehow hypothecate it to care workers rather than give it one of Hancock's mates it might increase their annual income by a few pennies each.
    The government spends your (and my) tax money as they see fit according to what they think they can get away with from the voters.

    They spend a lot of money in ways I don’t wish them to.
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