If uniform national swing (UNS) applies then the Tories will make it three by-election wins out of three – politicalbetting.com
So far we have not had any opinion polls on the next two Westminster by-elections – Chesham & Amersham (June 17th) and Batley & Spen (July 1st) but in each case the Tories are firm odds-on favourites in the betting.
The level of vaccination has fallen from the pathetic to the derisory. As this is the plain and simple reason why Freedom day has been postponed is it possible that either the media or the Opposition might ask a question about it? What has gone wrong and what can we do about it?
The level of vaccination has fallen from the pathetic to the derisory. As this is the plain and simple reason why Freedom day has been postponed is it possible that either the media or the Opposition might ask a question about it? What has gone wrong and what can we do about it?
The level of vaccination has fallen from the pathetic to the derisory. As this is the plain and simple reason why Freedom day has been postponed is it possible that either the media or the Opposition might ask a question about it? What has gone wrong and what can we do about it?
Didn't someone post that it was the 4th highest monday on record? I think there has been a messaging fail here, but to say it is pathetic or derisory when we are opening to all over 18 this week is nonsense.
On topic the sub Green levels of polling we are currently seeing for the Lib Dems are unlikely to be fully reflected in the by election where so much effort has been expended so I am not sure that UNS tells us much. My expectation is a Conservative hold here with a reduced majority on a lower turnout.
If we don't see more than UNS in the Lib Dem vote then we will be back wondering if the liberty bird is once again a dead parrot. I think we will.
FPT FrancisUrquhart and others were reporting on expectations that the UK's vaccine rollout is forecast to slow down soon. Of course it should, its a brilliant job that it hasn't yet.
The American vaccine rollout has slowed down as they've ran out of people to vaccinate. We're about to do the same, all over 18s are due to be eligible for vaccines by later this week and in many areas that's already the case. Near to me there are vaccine centres where all over 18s can walk in, no appointment necessary, to get a Pfizer jab.
Once its eligible to everyone, then until we open it to children the NHS will begin to run out of people to jab. Plus as first doses drop towards zero we're about to hit the point where the scheduled second jabs will fall off a cliff to about 100k to 200k per day too.
Its great that our vaccine curve hasn't slowed down yet unlike the USA, but by next we'll reach the point in the curve were Israel's doses rapidly ground to a halt.
More than 400,000 people who are waiting for a second dose of the AstraZeneca Covid-19 vaccine have been told they cannot travel abroad.
The “vaccine bonus” for those who are a month on from their first AstraZeneca jab does not involve foreign travel, the updated advice from the HSE has warned.
People in their 60s, and a significant number of those with underlying conditions, have been left waiting for a second dose of the vaccine, which will take at least eight weeks, but may be even longer for many.
So it's Irexit then? The EU Digital Covid Certificate (which doesn't have to be digital) will allow EU citizens to travel throughout the EU with a negative test result. It won't require vaccination. The link on "HSE" in that Independent article just goes to an index of other Independent articles.
This is what marchers should be demanding: Britain signing up to the DCC or introducing a fully compatible equivalent. Interesting that it's due to become operational on 19 July.
London seems like a desert without visitors from EU countries.
With Delta about to hit, the encouragement to allow non-vaccinated the run of Schengen from July 1 (unless it has changed) is deranged.
The certificate is for travel throughout the EU, not just in the Schengen zone.
"Being vaccinated will not be a pre-condition to travel. All EU citizens have a fundamental right to free movement in the EU and this applies regardless of whether they are vaccinated or not. The same principle applies to the rights of non-EU nationals staying or residing in the EU Member States and who have the right to travel to other Member States."
...which presumably includes British citizens on holiday, who if unvaccinated hopefully will be able to get tested by EU-compliant agencies in Britain but if that's not sorted out then on arrival at Calais, Rotterdam, Orly, or wherever.
The level of vaccination has fallen from the pathetic to the derisory. As this is the plain and simple reason why Freedom day has been postponed is it possible that either the media or the Opposition might ask a question about it? What has gone wrong and what can we do about it?
The plain & simple reason is the delta variant.
Is it? If we’d had a higher rate of vaccination, we wouldn’t have delayed. Or so we are told. The delay is to second jab, remember?
The level of vaccination has fallen from the pathetic to the derisory. As this is the plain and simple reason why Freedom day has been postponed is it possible that either the media or the Opposition might ask a question about it? What has gone wrong and what can we do about it?
Didn't someone post that it was the 4th highest monday on record? I think there has been a messaging fail here, but to say it is pathetic or derisory when we are opening to all over 18 this week is nonsense.
The U.K. uptake has been fantastic, and there’s still more demand than supply. Contrast with Israel, which got stuck at 120% (of about 160% eligible) and the USA (dropping off quickly at 100% already, despite every pharmacy and clinic having excess supply.
UAE has today opened up vaccines to people stuck here and overstaying visas, tourists will be next - at which point half of Russia and Africa will probably turn up!
The level of vaccination has fallen from the pathetic to the derisory. As this is the plain and simple reason why Freedom day has been postponed is it possible that either the media or the Opposition might ask a question about it? What has gone wrong and what can we do about it?
The plain & simple reason is the delta variant.
Is it? If we’d had a higher rate of vaccination, we wouldn’t have delayed. Or so we are told. The delay is to second jab, remember?
Why would we have a higher rate of vaccination?
We've got the highest rate of any major nation on the planet, we haven't seen a slowdown in vaccinations and our rollout is nearly finished. It finishes (by metric of offering it to everybody) this week which will be about 6 weeks ahead of schedule.
The level of vaccination has fallen from the pathetic to the derisory. As this is the plain and simple reason why Freedom day has been postponed is it possible that either the media or the Opposition might ask a question about it? What has gone wrong and what can we do about it?
The plain & simple reason is the delta variant.
Is it? If we’d had a higher rate of vaccination, we wouldn’t have delayed. Or so we are told. The delay is to second jab, remember?
Exactly. And the delta variant will either be here in July or more likely have been replaced by something even more infectious. It is the level of immunity from vaccination that is key.
On topic the sub Green levels of polling we are currently seeing for the Lib Dems are unlikely to be fully reflected in the by election where so much effort has been expended so I am not sure that UNS tells us much. My expectation is a Conservative hold here with a reduced majority on a lower turnout.
If we don't see more than UNS in the Lib Dem vote then we will be back wondering if the liberty bird is once again a dead parrot. I think we will.
Has Labour been written off too soon? Labour can't win but can probably block the LibDems. Under electoral genius Jeremy Corbyn, Labour was second in 2017 with 20 per cent of the C&A vote.
The level of vaccination has fallen from the pathetic to the derisory. As this is the plain and simple reason why Freedom day has been postponed is it possible that either the media or the Opposition might ask a question about it? What has gone wrong and what can we do about it?
The plain & simple reason is the delta variant.
Is it? If we’d had a higher rate of vaccination, we wouldn’t have delayed. Or so we are told. The delay is to second jab, remember?
Exactly. And the delta variant will either be here in July or more likely have been replaced by something even more infectious. It is the level of immunity from vaccination that is key.
So why would you call vaccinations today derisory when its one of the highest for a Monday (announced on a Tueday) on record?
It seems some people want there to be an acceleration, when in fact a slowdown is due and its good we've not hit it yet.
The level of vaccination has fallen from the pathetic to the derisory. As this is the plain and simple reason why Freedom day has been postponed is it possible that either the media or the Opposition might ask a question about it? What has gone wrong and what can we do about it?
The plain & simple reason is the delta variant.
Is it? If we’d had a higher rate of vaccination, we wouldn’t have delayed. Or so we are told. The delay is to second jab, remember?
No delta variant (or more delay in seeding it) and we wouldn't have delayed.
In 4 weeks time, we should have another 10-14m extra doses in arms.
To achieve that, without the 4 weeks, we would have needed to be vaccinating about twice as fast over the previous 4 weeks. That seems a pretty tall order.
The level of vaccination has fallen from the pathetic to the derisory. As this is the plain and simple reason why Freedom day has been postponed is it possible that either the media or the Opposition might ask a question about it? What has gone wrong and what can we do about it?
Didn't someone post that it was the 4th highest monday on record? I think there has been a messaging fail here, but to say it is pathetic or derisory when we are opening to all over 18 this week is nonsense.
According to @FrancisUrquhart on the last thread it was 354k. That is indeed derisory.
The level of vaccination has fallen from the pathetic to the derisory. As this is the plain and simple reason why Freedom day has been postponed is it possible that either the media or the Opposition might ask a question about it? What has gone wrong and what can we do about it?
The plain & simple reason is the delta variant.
Is it? If we’d had a higher rate of vaccination, we wouldn’t have delayed. Or so we are told. The delay is to second jab, remember?
Exactly. And the delta variant will either be here in July or more likely have been replaced by something even more infectious. It is the level of immunity from vaccination that is key.
What is the estimated % vaccination that will give herd immunity? A figure of 95% is quoted for measles which is far more infectious than SARS.
I just saw the Nicholas Watt footage& have to agree with @david_herdson - what were the dozens of police doing just standing there? Were they waiting for him to be assaulted before they stepped in? Crazy
Can people just walk up to you in the street and aggressively hurl abuse at you, right before a policeman’s eyes, and not be apprehended or warned?
The level of vaccination has fallen from the pathetic to the derisory. As this is the plain and simple reason why Freedom day has been postponed is it possible that either the media or the Opposition might ask a question about it? What has gone wrong and what can we do about it?
Didn't someone post that it was the 4th highest monday on record? I think there has been a messaging fail here, but to say it is pathetic or derisory when we are opening to all over 18 this week is nonsense.
According to @FrancisUrquhart on the last thread it was 354k. That is indeed derisory.
On what terms? There is a weekly cycle as we have never had a 7 days a week system. Best approach would be to look at weekly rates.
FPT - what are people's views on what is happening with the Delta variant in Europe? Is it there yet and just not being unearthed because they're not doing the sequencing? If so, are they three weeks behind a surge in cases? Is there comparative slowness to vaccinate going to be a problem? Or is Delta a) overblown or b) going to be cancelled out by vaccinations and seasonality? My view is the latter. But it is not an informed view.
" But if that is not the case and the percentage majority is down to single figures then Jo Cox’s sister, the LAB candidate in the Yorkshire seat, might hold it."
Is it perhaps slightly demeaning to refer to the candidate in B&S namelessly as "Jo Cox's sister" ?
I am sure there is more to Kim Leadbetter than her sororal relationship.
The level of vaccination has fallen from the pathetic to the derisory. As this is the plain and simple reason why Freedom day has been postponed is it possible that either the media or the Opposition might ask a question about it? What has gone wrong and what can we do about it?
Didn't someone post that it was the 4th highest monday on record? I think there has been a messaging fail here, but to say it is pathetic or derisory when we are opening to all over 18 this week is nonsense.
According to @FrancisUrquhart on the last thread it was 354k. That is indeed derisory.
On what terms? There is a weekly cycle as we have never had a 7 days a week system. Best approach would be to look at weekly rates.
The level of vaccination has fallen from the pathetic to the derisory. As this is the plain and simple reason why Freedom day has been postponed is it possible that either the media or the Opposition might ask a question about it? What has gone wrong and what can we do about it?
Didn't someone post that it was the 4th highest monday on record? I think there has been a messaging fail here, but to say it is pathetic or derisory when we are opening to all over 18 this week is nonsense.
According to @FrancisUrquhart on the last thread it was 354k. That is indeed derisory.
For a monday its a fairly standard figure.
Interestingly too we're now past the point where we've overtaken the timegap on the slowdown of first doses.
19/4 (eight weeks ago) we only did 99k first doses.
For a few weeks before then we did less than 100k per day. For most of the time since then we did around 130k per day.
So for every day we do a quarter of a million second doses now, we'll be doing two days worth of first doses.
So we're either going to need to keep shrinking the timegap between first and second, or there's inevitably going be a massive slowdown in eligible second doses, just as we are running out of first doses being possible.
The level of vaccination has fallen from the pathetic to the derisory. As this is the plain and simple reason why Freedom day has been postponed is it possible that either the media or the Opposition might ask a question about it? What has gone wrong and what can we do about it?
The plain & simple reason is the delta variant.
Is it? If we’d had a higher rate of vaccination, we wouldn’t have delayed. Or so we are told. The delay is to second jab, remember?
Exactly. And the delta variant will either be here in July or more likely have been replaced by something even more infectious. It is the level of immunity from vaccination that is key.
What is the estimated % vaccination that will give herd immunity? A figure of 95% is quoted for measles which is far more infectious than SARS.
The problem is working out the *anti-transmission* effectiveness of the vaccines
We know they are very very effective against hospitalisation and death. They are less so against transmitting the virus.
The level of vaccination has fallen from the pathetic to the derisory. As this is the plain and simple reason why Freedom day has been postponed is it possible that either the media or the Opposition might ask a question about it? What has gone wrong and what can we do about it?
The plain & simple reason is the delta variant.
Is it? If we’d had a higher rate of vaccination, we wouldn’t have delayed. Or so we are told. The delay is to second jab, remember?
Exactly. And the delta variant will either be here in July or more likely have been replaced by something even more infectious. It is the level of immunity from vaccination that is key.
What is the estimated % vaccination that will give herd immunity? A figure of 95% is quoted for measles which is far more infectious than SARS.
The problem is working out the *anti-transmission* effectiveness of the vaccines
We know they are very very effective against hospitalisation and death. They are less so against transmitting the virus.
Sp what if people get infected if they don't get hospitalised or die though?
FPT - what are people's views on what is happening with the Delta variant in Europe? Is it there yet and just not being unearthed because they're not doing the sequencing? If so, are they three weeks behind a surge in cases? Is there comparative slowness to vaccinate going to be a problem? Or is Delta a) overblown or b) going to be cancelled out by vaccinations and seasonality? My view is the latter. But it is not an informed view.
I would not be surprised to see some places get large spikes, but we had a particular problem with a large Indian population travelling and returning to seed particular inner city locations, with pre-existing lower vaccination rates and possibly also more inter-generational household, rapidly infecting school ages, which then spread like wildfire. It maybe that our situation was unique, and other places may get away with it, a bit like how the SW of England is 'getting away with it' at the moment (may not last).
The increase in infections in the week leading up to yesterday is 740%..
Presumably small numbers? I.e. from a couple of cases, to say 20 or 30?
From 5 to 42. But that is a hell of an increase which shows either all 5 people met a lot of others, the numbers weren't correct last week or some combination in between.
While it's probably an anomaly you can see (assuming things are similar elsewhere) why we aren't opening up on Monday.
FPT - what are people's views on what is happening with the Delta variant in Europe? Is it there yet and just not being unearthed because they're not doing the sequencing? If so, are they three weeks behind a surge in cases? Is there comparative slowness to vaccinate going to be a problem? Or is Delta a) overblown or b) going to be cancelled out by vaccinations and seasonality? My view is the latter. But it is not an informed view.
My uninformed view is that they’re a few weeks behind the UK, but with a much lower vaccination rate and more encouragement to travel and take holidays. August could be utter carnage. Same goes for USA.
I brilliantly reearched piece....aside from draftkings itself, contained in that article, it looks like some premier league clubs and other sports have taken money from the Triads and other shady groups.
The increase in infections in the week leading up to yesterday is 740%..
Presumably small numbers? I.e. from a couple of cases, to say 20 or 30?
From 5 to 42. But that is a hell of an increase which shows either all 5 people met a lot of others, the numbers weren't correct last week or some combination in between.
While it's probably an anomaly you can see (assuming things are similar elsewhere) why we aren't opening up on Monday.
It does seem very transmissible among the unvaccinated (such as school age children). Worth looking at the ages of the cases if possible,
I just saw the Nicholas Watt footage& have to agree with @david_herdson - what were the dozens of police doing just standing there? Were they waiting for him to be assaulted before they stepped in? Crazy
Can people just walk up to you in the street and aggressively hurl abuse at you, right before a policeman’s eyes, and not be apprehended or warned?
If they'd used the wrong pronoun they would have been in the back of the van faster than you can say "self-identify".
Managed to rebook my jab for 9 weeks from the first dose, today. Thrilled!
Thanks for posting this. I was told 8-10 weeks after my first but the system wasn't offering anything earlier than 11 weeks. Now it has allowed me to book 8 weeks after the first.
The level of vaccination has fallen from the pathetic to the derisory. As this is the plain and simple reason why Freedom day has been postponed is it possible that either the media or the Opposition might ask a question about it? What has gone wrong and what can we do about it?
The plain & simple reason is the delta variant.
Is it? If we’d had a higher rate of vaccination, we wouldn’t have delayed. Or so we are told. The delay is to second jab, remember?
No delta variant (or more delay in seeding it) and we wouldn't have delayed.
In 4 weeks time, we should have another 10-14m extra doses in arms.
To achieve that, without the 4 weeks, we would have needed to be vaccinating about twice as fast over the previous 4 weeks. That seems a pretty tall order.
Hmm... actually looking back at this -> I don't think this is a fair comparison to draw... the virus is growing over the 4 weeks... so the equivalent impact of having 4 weeks extra is less than magically having 4 weeks extra doses today.
FPT - what are people's views on what is happening with the Delta variant in Europe? Is it there yet and just not being unearthed because they're not doing the sequencing? If so, are they three weeks behind a surge in cases? Is there comparative slowness to vaccinate going to be a problem? Or is Delta a) overblown or b) going to be cancelled out by vaccinations and seasonality? My view is the latter. But it is not an informed view.
My uninformed view is that they’re a few weeks behind the UK, but with a much lower vaccination rate and more encouragement to travel and take holidays. August could be utter carnage. Same goes for USA.
With the execration of Italy? they don’t have notable Indian expatriate communities, so they are a few or maybe several weeks behind us.
They are effectively - all countries are, now - playing a race between virus and vaccination.
One country I don’t get is Japan. They maintained low rates seemingly without too much effort. Elderly population, too.
I brilliantly reearched piece....aside from draftkings itself, contained in that article, it looks like some premier league clubs and other sports have taken money from the Triads and other shady groups.
Can they do Football Index, as their next research project?
The level of vaccination has fallen from the pathetic to the derisory. As this is the plain and simple reason why Freedom day has been postponed is it possible that either the media or the Opposition might ask a question about it? What has gone wrong and what can we do about it?
The plain & simple reason is the delta variant.
Is it? If we’d had a higher rate of vaccination, we wouldn’t have delayed. Or so we are told. The delay is to second jab, remember?
Exactly. And the delta variant will either be here in July or more likely have been replaced by something even more infectious. It is the level of immunity from vaccination that is key.
What is the estimated % vaccination that will give herd immunity? A figure of 95% is quoted for measles which is far more infectious than SARS.
The problem is working out the *anti-transmission* effectiveness of the vaccines
We know they are very very effective against hospitalisation and death. They are less so against transmitting the virus.
Sp what if people get infected if they don't get hospitalised or die though?
Then you have the issue around Long Covid and it's future impact on our Health Services.
I brilliantly reearched piece....aside from draftkings itself, contained in that article, it looks like some premier league clubs and other sports have taken money from the Triads and other shady groups.
Can they do Football Index, as their next research project?
The level of vaccination has fallen from the pathetic to the derisory. As this is the plain and simple reason why Freedom day has been postponed is it possible that either the media or the Opposition might ask a question about it? What has gone wrong and what can we do about it?
The plain & simple reason is the delta variant.
Is it? If we’d had a higher rate of vaccination, we wouldn’t have delayed. Or so we are told. The delay is to second jab, remember?
Exactly. And the delta variant will either be here in July or more likely have been replaced by something even more infectious. It is the level of immunity from vaccination that is key.
What is the estimated % vaccination that will give herd immunity? A figure of 95% is quoted for measles which is far more infectious than SARS.
The problem is working out the *anti-transmission* effectiveness of the vaccines
We know they are very very effective against hospitalisation and death. They are less so against transmitting the virus.
Sp what if people get infected if they don't get hospitalised or die though?
If the virus doesn't die out, but continues to bounce around, it will get to those who are vulnerable. This will mean more hospitalisations and deaths. AKA no herd immunity.
It is surprisingly hard to work out the transmission numbers, it seems.
FPT - what are people's views on what is happening with the Delta variant in Europe? Is it there yet and just not being unearthed because they're not doing the sequencing? If so, are they three weeks behind a surge in cases? Is there comparative slowness to vaccinate going to be a problem? Or is Delta a) overblown or b) going to be cancelled out by vaccinations and seasonality? My view is the latter. But it is not an informed view.
I would not be surprised to see some places get large spikes, but we had a particular problem with a large Indian population travelling and returning to seed particular inner city locations, with pre-existing lower vaccination rates and possibly also more inter-generational household, rapidly infecting school ages, which then spread like wildfire. It maybe that our situation was unique, and other places may get away with it, a bit like how the SW of England is 'getting away with it' at the moment (may not last).
It is certainly in Spain - with community transmission in Madrid. The Spanish data overall is good but I think the July and August tourist rush both internal and external is a real danger - there are many millions (me included) who will not be second jabbed before the end of July and most of the 60-70 age group are awaiting second jabs of AZN. Meanwhile they are just starting on the under 40s so there is a huge pool of younger people who will head to the beaches largely unjabbed in the next few weeks.
The level of vaccination has fallen from the pathetic to the derisory. As this is the plain and simple reason why Freedom day has been postponed is it possible that either the media or the Opposition might ask a question about it? What has gone wrong and what can we do about it?
The plain & simple reason is the delta variant.
Is it? If we’d had a higher rate of vaccination, we wouldn’t have delayed. Or so we are told. The delay is to second jab, remember?
Exactly. And the delta variant will either be here in July or more likely have been replaced by something even more infectious. It is the level of immunity from vaccination that is key.
What is the estimated % vaccination that will give herd immunity? A figure of 95% is quoted for measles which is far more infectious than SARS.
The problem is working out the *anti-transmission* effectiveness of the vaccines
We know they are very very effective against hospitalisation and death. They are less so against transmitting the virus.
Slight tickle in your throat ? Head out to an antivax protest today
The level of vaccination has fallen from the pathetic to the derisory. As this is the plain and simple reason why Freedom day has been postponed is it possible that either the media or the Opposition might ask a question about it? What has gone wrong and what can we do about it?
The plain & simple reason is the delta variant.
Is it? If we’d had a higher rate of vaccination, we wouldn’t have delayed. Or so we are told. The delay is to second jab, remember?
Exactly. And the delta variant will either be here in July or more likely have been replaced by something even more infectious. It is the level of immunity from vaccination that is key.
What is the estimated % vaccination that will give herd immunity? A figure of 95% is quoted for measles which is far more infectious than SARS.
The problem is working out the *anti-transmission* effectiveness of the vaccines
We know they are very very effective against hospitalisation and death. They are less so against transmitting the virus.
Sp what if people get infected if they don't get hospitalised or die though?
Then you have the issue around Long Covid and it's future impact on our Health Services.
Managed to rebook my jab for 9 weeks from the first dose, today. Thrilled!
On the basis of this decided to take the plunge and am now 4 weeks earlier than my previous 2nd dose - many thanks
I've told all my mates in their 30s - so far all have been able to bring it forward.
I’m on Moderna, second jab mid-July. Is it worth my trying to re-book?
Try and see.
Worried I’ll lose my slot, or be sent to some remote wildnerness...like Zone 4 or something.
That's the problem with the system. You can't take a peek to see what the options are before you cancel.
Hence I stuck with my 11-week, after work slot.
Just do it in the middle of the night, nobody is going to be rebooking then.
Also, i found huge availability, that wasn't there 2 weeks ago. It was as if the system was trying to give me every possible option to get done. 2 weeks ago, it was my local hub or a 2hr drive and it was you have to come on a particular day.
When i rebooked yesterday, it was literally come any day, any time, and if you don't want to local hub, here is a load of other close options.
Managed to rebook my jab for 9 weeks from the first dose, today. Thrilled!
On the basis of this decided to take the plunge and am now 4 weeks earlier than my previous 2nd dose - many thanks
I've told all my mates in their 30s - so far all have been able to bring it forward.
I’m on Moderna, second jab mid-July. Is it worth my trying to re-book?
Try and see.
Worried I’ll lose my slot, or be sent to some remote wildnerness...like Zone 4 or something.
That's the problem with the system. You can't take a peek to see what the options are before you cancel.
Hence I stuck with my 11-week, after work slot.
This is where my health board, which is ahead of the national rollout has an advantage - my other half doesn't know when her second dose will be - they will just text her when one is available. I was done in 3 weeks with this system. It's well possible the national system with it's rigid time system is going to allocate the doses far more sparsely toward the back end of the rollout than a system of direct texts from HAs would.
The level of vaccination has fallen from the pathetic to the derisory. As this is the plain and simple reason why Freedom day has been postponed is it possible that either the media or the Opposition might ask a question about it? What has gone wrong and what can we do about it?
The plain & simple reason is the delta variant.
Is it? If we’d had a higher rate of vaccination, we wouldn’t have delayed. Or so we are told. The delay is to second jab, remember?
Exactly. And the delta variant will either be here in July or more likely have been replaced by something even more infectious. It is the level of immunity from vaccination that is key.
What is the estimated % vaccination that will give herd immunity? A figure of 95% is quoted for measles which is far more infectious than SARS.
The problem is working out the *anti-transmission* effectiveness of the vaccines
We know they are very very effective against hospitalisation and death. They are less so against transmitting the virus.
Sp what if people get infected if they don't get hospitalised or die though?
If the virus doesn't die out, but continues to bounce around, it will get to those who are vulnerable. This will mean more hospitalisations and deaths. AKA no herd immunity.
It is surprisingly hard to work out the transmission numbers, it seems.
So frigging what though? We need to live with this.
99% of deaths were from JCVI 1-9 All of JCVI 1-9 have been offered 2 jabs. 2 jabs is 98% effective.
So the risk of death has effectively been reduced by 97% already (0.99*0.98) even ignoring those who are not in 1-9 that have been jabbed already.
That's already happened today. Its pure cowardice to not be opening up already and destruction of livelihoods that are viable today.
I brilliantly reearched piece....aside from draftkings itself, contained in that article, it looks like some premier league clubs and other sports have taken money from the Triads and other shady groups.
Can they do Football Index, as their next research project?
Definitely some seriously shady shit with them.
I’m astonished there hasn’t been an enquiry announced, after £80m went missing. It was clearly a Ponzi scheme, and was a serious regulatory failure.
Hopefully someone with large losses but deep pockets will sue the GC.
Sorry to disagree with the header but I don't think there's going to be much of a relationship between how the Tories do in Chesham&Amersham and Batley&Spen. C&A is the third least deprived seat in the country and B&S is at the other end of the spectrum.
The level of vaccination has fallen from the pathetic to the derisory. As this is the plain and simple reason why Freedom day has been postponed is it possible that either the media or the Opposition might ask a question about it? What has gone wrong and what can we do about it?
The plain & simple reason is the delta variant.
Is it? If we’d had a higher rate of vaccination, we wouldn’t have delayed. Or so we are told. The delay is to second jab, remember?
Exactly. And the delta variant will either be here in July or more likely have been replaced by something even more infectious. It is the level of immunity from vaccination that is key.
What is the estimated % vaccination that will give herd immunity? A figure of 95% is quoted for measles which is far more infectious than SARS.
The problem is working out the *anti-transmission* effectiveness of the vaccines
We know they are very very effective against hospitalisation and death. They are less so against transmitting the virus.
Sp what if people get infected if they don't get hospitalised or die though?
If the virus doesn't die out, but continues to bounce around, it will get to those who are vulnerable. This will mean more hospitalisations and deaths. AKA no herd immunity.
It is surprisingly hard to work out the transmission numbers, it seems.
If neutralising efficacy requires vaccination and infection then that is what it is.
Managed to rebook my jab for 9 weeks from the first dose, today. Thrilled!
On the basis of this decided to take the plunge and am now 4 weeks earlier than my previous 2nd dose - many thanks
I've told all my mates in their 30s - so far all have been able to bring it forward.
I’m on Moderna, second jab mid-July. Is it worth my trying to re-book?
Try and see.
Worried I’ll lose my slot, or be sent to some remote wildnerness...like Zone 4 or something.
That's the problem with the system. You can't take a peek to see what the options are before you cancel.
Hence I stuck with my 11-week, after work slot.
Just do it in the middle of the night, nobody is going to be rebooking then.
Also, i found huge availability, that wasn't there 2 weeks ago. It was as if the system was trying to give me every possible option to get done. 2 weeks ago, it was my local hub or a 2hr drive and it was you have to come on a particular day.
When i rebooked yesterday, it was literally come any day, any time, and if you don't want to local hub, here is a load of other close options.
Yep, my original booking forced me to go 25 miles away at an awkward timeslot, with a 2nd dose a full 12 weeks later. Rebooking today there were 10 nearer centres available, and the nearest one seemed to be able to offer me nearly any day or time I wanted so I could move up to 8 weeks to the day later.
I brilliantly reearched piece....aside from draftkings itself, contained in that article, it looks like some premier league clubs and other sports have taken money from the Triads and other shady groups.
Can they do Football Index, as their next research project?
Definitely some seriously shady shit with them.
I’m astonished there hasn’t been an enquiry announced, after £80m went missing. It was clearly a Ponzi scheme, and was a serious regulatory failure.
Hopefully someone with large losses but deep pockets will sue the GC.
It is clear the regulator didn't understand the product.
I have just checked, it looks like the Triad owned betting company has a UK licence.....
a lot of the football shirt sponsors for betting companies don't, it is another "scam", whereby when a uk citizen goes to the site, they get bounced to a white labelled site that is actually run by a semi-legit operator, but the Far Eastern clients go to that site and they get an illegal gambling site run by these shady people.
However it seems 12bet has a proper uk gambling licence....owned by by a man the FBI say is one of the top men in the Triads.
Managed to rebook my jab for 9 weeks from the first dose, today. Thrilled!
On the basis of this decided to take the plunge and am now 4 weeks earlier than my previous 2nd dose - many thanks
I've told all my mates in their 30s - so far all have been able to bring it forward.
I’m on Moderna, second jab mid-July. Is it worth my trying to re-book?
Try and see.
Worried I’ll lose my slot, or be sent to some remote wildnerness...like Zone 4 or something.
That's the problem with the system. You can't take a peek to see what the options are before you cancel.
Hence I stuck with my 11-week, after work slot.
Just do it in the middle of the night, nobody is going to be rebooking then.
Also, i found huge availability, that wasn't there 2 weeks ago. It was as if the system was trying to give me every possible option to get done. 2 weeks ago, it was my local hub or a 2hr drive and it was you have to come on a particular day.
When i rebooked yesterday, it was literally come any day, any time, and if you don't want to local hub, here is a load of other close options.
Precisely. Supply is no longer the issue, the system is running out of arms to jab.
8 weeks ago very few first jabs were done, plus we're already (unofficially) doing first jabs on all over 18s and will officially be doing them by the end of the week.
If there's more supply than there are eligible people to be jabbed then there'll be plenty of availability but a slowdown in jabs done.
He’s not wrong. There’s also the cumulative effect of two countries deciding that the EU’s tactics of pushing regulations outside their orbit are unacceptable.
The level of vaccination has fallen from the pathetic to the derisory. As this is the plain and simple reason why Freedom day has been postponed is it possible that either the media or the Opposition might ask a question about it? What has gone wrong and what can we do about it?
The plain & simple reason is the delta variant.
Is it? If we’d had a higher rate of vaccination, we wouldn’t have delayed. Or so we are told. The delay is to second jab, remember?
Exactly. And the delta variant will either be here in July or more likely have been replaced by something even more infectious. It is the level of immunity from vaccination that is key.
What is the estimated % vaccination that will give herd immunity? A figure of 95% is quoted for measles which is far more infectious than SARS.
The problem is working out the *anti-transmission* effectiveness of the vaccines
We know they are very very effective against hospitalisation and death. They are less so against transmitting the virus.
I'm not following all the details, but would the Israeli experience help here, as they seem to have few (or no?) restrictions and also declining cases. So this implies that their vaccination rate is sufficient to achieve herd immunity against whatever variant is dominant there.
If it's not Delta in Israel, then we'd probably need a higher percentage vaccinated here, as Delta is more transmissible and also slightly reduces the vaccine effectiveness.
I brilliantly reearched piece....aside from draftkings itself, contained in that article, it looks like some premier league clubs and other sports have taken money from the Triads and other shady groups.
The Far-East markets beloved of algorithmic traders?
Sorry to disagree with the header but I don't think there's going to be much of a relationship between how the Tories do in Chesham&Amersham and Batley&Spen. C&A is the third least deprived seat in the country and B&S is at the other end of the spectrum.
I agree. They’re both fundamentally different by-elections.
Potentially there’s some betting value there, if punters read across from one result to the other.
The ultra orthodox lot in Israel really are testing natural selection. They regularly have made up 50% of the cases, despite only being about 15% of the cases and now a large percentage are refuseniks.
The second memes out there is either that the UK is somehow cursed with new variants and/or that the UK should just not monitor as deeply. A fair bit of this is due to the fact that the UK's testing and sequencing is *really good* (though; Denmark, take a bow) +very transparent....
With the UK's depth of sequencing and transparency it does mean the world has an ascertainment issue - the variants which have an impact on the UK's COVID trajectory will (currently) be the best understood. This comes hand in hand with... knowing stuff......
......For non UK Readers - it is really worth using the UK to understand Delta and have a strategy/plan that works for your country, as it is pretty likely that you will have to navigate this variant as well.
Meanwhile Ursula announces a new EU certificate to allow travel to return to normal in the EU....
Managed to rebook my jab for 9 weeks from the first dose, today. Thrilled!
On the basis of this decided to take the plunge and am now 4 weeks earlier than my previous 2nd dose - many thanks
I've told all my mates in their 30s - so far all have been able to bring it forward.
I’m on Moderna, second jab mid-July. Is it worth my trying to re-book?
Try and see.
Worried I’ll lose my slot, or be sent to some remote wildnerness...like Zone 4 or something.
That's the problem with the system. You can't take a peek to see what the options are before you cancel.
Hence I stuck with my 11-week, after work slot.
Just do it in the middle of the night, nobody is going to be rebooking then.
Also, i found huge availability, that wasn't there 2 weeks ago. It was as if the system was trying to give me every possible option to get done. 2 weeks ago, it was my local hub or a 2hr drive and it was you have to come on a particular day.
When i rebooked yesterday, it was literally come any day, any time, and if you don't want to local hub, here is a load of other close options.
Precisely. Supply is no longer the issue, the system is running out of arms to jab.
8 weeks ago very few first jabs were done, plus we're already (unofficially) doing first jabs on all over 18s and will officially be doing them by the end of the week.
If there's more supply than there are eligible people to be jabbed then there'll be plenty of availability but a slowdown in jabs done.
There are multiple million people, over 18, still to receive a vaccination.
FPT - what are people's views on what is happening with the Delta variant in Europe? Is it there yet and just not being unearthed because they're not doing the sequencing? If so, are they three weeks behind a surge in cases? Is there comparative slowness to vaccinate going to be a problem? Or is Delta a) overblown or b) going to be cancelled out by vaccinations and seasonality? My view is the latter. But it is not an informed view.
My uninformed view is that they’re a few weeks behind the UK, but with a much lower vaccination rate and more encouragement to travel and take holidays. August could be utter carnage. Same goes for USA.
Thanks Sandpit. Your uninformed view is as good as (and more interesting than) mine!
The level of vaccination has fallen from the pathetic to the derisory. As this is the plain and simple reason why Freedom day has been postponed is it possible that either the media or the Opposition might ask a question about it? What has gone wrong and what can we do about it?
The plain & simple reason is the delta variant.
Is it? If we’d had a higher rate of vaccination, we wouldn’t have delayed. Or so we are told. The delay is to second jab, remember?
Exactly. And the delta variant will either be here in July or more likely have been replaced by something even more infectious. It is the level of immunity from vaccination that is key.
What is the estimated % vaccination that will give herd immunity? A figure of 95% is quoted for measles which is far more infectious than SARS.
The problem is working out the *anti-transmission* effectiveness of the vaccines
We know they are very very effective against hospitalisation and death. They are less so against transmitting the virus.
I'm not following all the details, but would the Israeli experience help here, as they seem to have few (or no?) restrictions and also declining cases. So this implies that their vaccination rate is sufficient to achieve herd immunity against whatever variant is dominant there.
If it's not Delta in Israel, then we'd probably need a higher percentage vaccinated here, as Delta is more transmissible and also slightly reduces the vaccine effectiveness.
The issue, which makes crude calculations of the transmission much harder, is the societal structure. So you find that groups of people can form isolated islands, socially, with varying numbers of edge connections to similar groups.
FPT - what are people's views on what is happening with the Delta variant in Europe? Is it there yet and just not being unearthed because they're not doing the sequencing? If so, are they three weeks behind a surge in cases? Is there comparative slowness to vaccinate going to be a problem? Or is Delta a) overblown or b) going to be cancelled out by vaccinations and seasonality? My view is the latter. But it is not an informed view.
What happened with Alpha is that whilst the new variant was growing as a proportion, it was invisible.
If you start with 5% new variant (growing at R=1.5) and 95% old variant (shrinking at R=0.9), you don't get to see much. The overall number of cases continues to decline. Just not quite as fast as before.
(Every 1000 cases becomes 930 in one week. 880 in two weeks. 860 in three weeks. 870 in four weeks (and you go, "Oh, it's levelled off. Not a problem, it's really low". But now, those 870 are 250 new variant and 620 old variant) In five weeks, it's 940. In six, it's 1070, and you've gone back up past where you were (with 570 new variant cases and 500 old variant; new variant has overtaken the old one and you're at take-off).
In seven, it's 1310; in 8, it's 1690; in 9, it's 2290; in 10, it's 3214, and growing fast. 90% of cases are new variant.
That's exactly what happened in countries over winter who were behind us with Alpha taking over.
Of course, they know it this time; most countries are saying that they're banking on vaccinating fast enough to see off the take-off point.
Tbh adolescent takeup in Israel may well be low due to the myocarditis risk and the negligible levels of virus in the country. I expect if delta broke through the defences more parents would get their kids vaxxed.
Interesting graphic from the Telegraph, who appear to be rapidly breaking off their support of the government...
That actually really annoyed me. They actually showed projections going into the future as well as the current data. And the Telegraph conveniently ignored the start of the second and first waves, which looked awfully similar.
FPT - what are people's views on what is happening with the Delta variant in Europe? Is it there yet and just not being unearthed because they're not doing the sequencing? If so, are they three weeks behind a surge in cases? Is there comparative slowness to vaccinate going to be a problem? Or is Delta a) overblown or b) going to be cancelled out by vaccinations and seasonality? My view is the latter. But it is not an informed view.
What happened with Alpha is that whilst the new variant was growing as a proportion, it was invisible.
If you start with 5% new variant (growing at R=1.5) and 95% old variant (shrinking at R=0.9), you don't get to see much. The overall number of cases continues to decline. Just not quite as fast as before.
(Every 1000 cases becomes 930 in one week. 880 in two weeks. 860 in three weeks. 870 in four weeks (and you go, "Oh, it's levelled off. Not a problem, it's really low". But now, those 870 are 250 new variant and 620 old variant) In five weeks, it's 940. In six, it's 1070, and you've gone back up past where you were (with 570 new variant cases and 500 old variant; new variant has overtaken the old one and you're at take-off).
In seven, it's 1310; in 8, it's 1690; in 9, it's 2290; in 10, it's 3214, and growing fast. 90% of cases are new variant.
That's exactly what happened in countries over winter who were behind us with Alpha taking over.
Of course, they know it this time; most countries are saying that they're banking on vaccinating fast enough to see off the take-off point.
It’s an awesome time for epidemiology. This must be the first time a virus has been properly sequenced and tracked on such a large scale. I bet we’re learning loads about how viruses work in real life, not just in the models.
Against that, the EU is now rather ahead (in terms of vaccinations) of where the US was when it began reopening.
They (in general) are just rather happier with a higher background level of Covid than the UK is.
Frankly if there isn't a shitshow in the US and Europe over the next few months it will be just another thing to add to the charge sheet of cock ups Sage will never be held accountable for.
FWIW that's a 2% swing to Labour since 2019, which is interesting for Batley and Spen. But just one poll, and I think the most favourable for Labour (contrast with YouGov!).
Interesting graphic from the Telegraph, who appear to be rapidly breaking off their support of the government...
That actually really annoyed me. They actually showed projections going into the future as well as the current data. And the Telegraph conveniently ignored the start of the second and first waves, which looked awfully similar.
Not sure about Telegraph breaking off support. They have featured a steady stream of commentators and opinion pieces on why lockdown isn't working and so on. See their Planet Normal podcast for example.
Interesting graphic from the Telegraph, who appear to be rapidly breaking off their support of the government...
That actually really annoyed me. They actually showed projections going into the future as well as the current data. And the Telegraph conveniently ignored the start of the second and first waves, which looked awfully similar.
Not sure about Telegraph breaking off support. They have featured a steady stream of commentators and opinion pieces on why lockdown isn't working and so on. See their Planet Normal podcast for example.
Talk Radio and the Telegraph have been the biggest pushers of anti-lockdown / faster opening of any of the mainstream media.
The mail seems to veer from lock me down harder and faster, to 10 mins later, running pieces saying why are the government locking down so hard, what about my uman rights.
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If we don't see more than UNS in the Lib Dem vote then we will be back wondering if the liberty bird is once again a dead parrot. I think we will.
The American vaccine rollout has slowed down as they've ran out of people to vaccinate. We're about to do the same, all over 18s are due to be eligible for vaccines by later this week and in many areas that's already the case. Near to me there are vaccine centres where all over 18s can walk in, no appointment necessary, to get a Pfizer jab.
Once its eligible to everyone, then until we open it to children the NHS will begin to run out of people to jab. Plus as first doses drop towards zero we're about to hit the point where the scheduled second jabs will fall off a cliff to about 100k to 200k per day too.
Its great that our vaccine curve hasn't slowed down yet unlike the USA, but by next we'll reach the point in the curve were Israel's doses rapidly ground to a halt.
"Being vaccinated will not be a pre-condition to travel. All EU citizens have a fundamental right to free movement in the EU and this applies regardless of whether they are vaccinated or not. The same principle applies to the rights of non-EU nationals staying or residing in the EU Member States and who have the right to travel to other Member States."
...which presumably includes British citizens on holiday, who if unvaccinated hopefully will be able to get tested by EU-compliant agencies in Britain but if that's not sorted out then on arrival at Calais, Rotterdam, Orly, or wherever.
UAE has today opened up vaccines to people stuck here and overstaying visas, tourists will be next - at which point half of Russia and Africa will probably turn up!
We've got the highest rate of any major nation on the planet, we haven't seen a slowdown in vaccinations and our rollout is nearly finished. It finishes (by metric of offering it to everybody) this week which will be about 6 weeks ahead of schedule.
It seems some people want there to be an acceleration, when in fact a slowdown is due and its good we've not hit it yet.
In 4 weeks time, we should have another 10-14m extra doses in arms.
To achieve that, without the 4 weeks, we would have needed to be vaccinating about twice as fast over the previous 4 weeks. That seems a pretty tall order.
The increase in infections in the week leading up to yesterday is 740%..
Bad news for Best Men, who are at risk of trying to get off with an ugly bridesmaid.
Can people just walk up to you in the street and aggressively hurl abuse at you, right before a policeman’s eyes, and not be apprehended or warned?
Cons 42 (+1)
Lab 35 (+2)
LD 9
Green 5 (-1)
My view is the latter. But it is not an informed view.
Is it perhaps slightly demeaning to refer to the candidate in B&S namelessly as "Jo Cox's sister" ?
I am sure there is more to Kim Leadbetter than her sororal relationship.
Interestingly too we're now past the point where we've overtaken the timegap on the slowdown of first doses.
19/4 (eight weeks ago) we only did 99k first doses.
For a few weeks before then we did less than 100k per day.
For most of the time since then we did around 130k per day.
So for every day we do a quarter of a million second doses now, we'll be doing two days worth of first doses.
So we're either going to need to keep shrinking the timegap between first and second, or there's inevitably going be a massive slowdown in eligible second doses, just as we are running out of first doses being possible.
We know they are very very effective against hospitalisation and death. They are less so against transmitting the virus.
Is it worth my trying to re-book?
While it's probably an anomaly you can see (assuming things are similar elsewhere) why we aren't opening up on Monday.
I brilliantly reearched piece....aside from draftkings itself, contained in that article, it looks like some premier league clubs and other sports have taken money from the Triads and other shady groups.
They are effectively - all countries are, now - playing a race between virus and vaccination.
One country I don’t get is Japan.
They maintained low rates seemingly without too much effort. Elderly population, too.
It is surprisingly hard to work out the transmission numbers, it seems.
It is certainly in Spain - with community transmission in Madrid. The Spanish data overall is good but I think the July and August tourist rush both internal and external is a real danger - there are many millions (me included) who will not be second jabbed before the end of July and most of the 60-70 age group are awaiting second jabs of AZN. Meanwhile they are just starting on the under 40s so there is a huge pool of younger people who will head to the beaches largely unjabbed in the next few weeks.
Hence I stuck with my 11-week, after work slot.
Also, i found huge availability, that wasn't there 2 weeks ago. It was as if the system was trying to give me every possible option to get done. 2 weeks ago, it was my local hub or a 2hr drive and it was you have to come on a particular day.
When i rebooked yesterday, it was literally come any day, any time, and if you don't want to local hub, here is a load of other close options.
I was done in 3 weeks with this system.
It's well possible the national system with it's rigid time system is going to allocate the doses far more sparsely toward the back end of the rollout than a system of direct texts from HAs would.
99% of deaths were from JCVI 1-9
All of JCVI 1-9 have been offered 2 jabs.
2 jabs is 98% effective.
So the risk of death has effectively been reduced by 97% already (0.99*0.98) even ignoring those who are not in 1-9 that have been jabbed already.
That's already happened today. Its pure cowardice to not be opening up already and destruction of livelihoods that are viable today.
Hopefully someone with large losses but deep pockets will sue the GC.
I have just checked, it looks like the Triad owned betting company has a UK licence.....
a lot of the football shirt sponsors for betting companies don't, it is another "scam", whereby when a uk citizen goes to the site, they get bounced to a white labelled site that is actually run by a semi-legit operator, but the Far Eastern clients go to that site and they get an illegal gambling site run by these shady people.
However it seems 12bet has a proper uk gambling licence....owned by by a man the FBI say is one of the top men in the Triads.
8 weeks ago very few first jabs were done, plus we're already (unofficially) doing first jabs on all over 18s and will officially be doing them by the end of the week.
If there's more supply than there are eligible people to be jabbed then there'll be plenty of availability but a slowdown in jabs done.
As at May 31, a total of 449 local cases of infection involve a variant of concern. They comprise:
• 428 people infected with the Delta variant;
• Seven people infected with the Alpha variant, first detected in Britain;
• Nine people infected with the Beta variant, first detected in South Africa; and
• Five people infected with the Gamma variant, first detected in Brazil.
https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/health/550-cases-of-delta-variant-in-spore-at-end-may
https://twitter.com/BrunoBrussels/status/1404806492470005767?s=20
So, Mrs Truss, fancy a trip to Bern?
If it's not Delta in Israel, then we'd probably need a higher percentage vaccinated here, as Delta is more transmissible and also slightly reduces the vaccine effectiveness.
Potentially there’s some betting value there, if punters read across from one result to the other.
With the UK's depth of sequencing and transparency it does mean the world has an ascertainment issue - the variants which have an impact on the UK's COVID trajectory will (currently) be the best understood. This comes hand in hand with... knowing stuff......
......For non UK Readers - it is really worth using the UK to understand Delta and have a strategy/plan that works for your country, as it is pretty likely that you will have to navigate this variant as well.
Meanwhile Ursula announces a new EU certificate to allow travel to return to normal in the EU....
Thread: https://twitter.com/ewanbirney/status/1404747317626949636?s=20
Which doesn’t make the conclusion necessarily wrong, of course; just the hypothesis.
With the coronavirus pandemic fading, the EU has new rules on how to move around the bloc.
https://www.politico.eu/article/faq-how-to-travel-in-europe-this-summer-coronavirus-restrictions-digital-covid-certificate/
If you start with 5% new variant (growing at R=1.5) and 95% old variant (shrinking at R=0.9), you don't get to see much. The overall number of cases continues to decline. Just not quite as fast as before.
(Every 1000 cases becomes 930 in one week. 880 in two weeks. 860 in three weeks. 870 in four weeks (and you go, "Oh, it's levelled off. Not a problem, it's really low". But now, those 870 are 250 new variant and 620 old variant)
In five weeks, it's 940. In six, it's 1070, and you've gone back up past where you were (with 570 new variant cases and 500 old variant; new variant has overtaken the old one and you're at take-off).
In seven, it's 1310; in 8, it's 1690; in 9, it's 2290; in 10, it's 3214, and growing fast. 90% of cases are new variant.
That's exactly what happened in countries over winter who were behind us with Alpha taking over.
Of course, they know it this time; most countries are saying that they're banking on vaccinating fast enough to see off the take-off point.
They (in general) are just rather happier with a higher background level of Covid than the UK is.
The mail seems to veer from lock me down harder and faster, to 10 mins later, running pieces saying why are the government locking down so hard, what about my uman rights.