The week involves pupils dressing up in red, white and blue and singing an “anthem” called “One Britain One Dream”, which ends with the repeating lines “Strong Britain Great Nation”.
Haha. What a load of shit.
Please tell me this is satire.
This course of patriotic song is standard fare in the US, Russia, China, even France.
Of course if it was belting out Flower of Scotland 5 times a day the SNP would have no complaints
And? Civus Britannicus sum. We don't do that sort of thing.
And 5x Flower of Scotland would require some serious anti-depressants.
We should do it more, we have far too many Scottish, Welsh and English national songs and not enough British national songs bar GSTQ which is more about the monarch than the nation and Rule Britannia which was more suitable for the age of Empire
When @Dura_Ace and I have the same instinctive view of things selling this is going to make Sisyphus's labours look like a gentle workout.
It does not need to be sold, the Tories have a majority of 80 and if they want to do it it will be done
Not by me.
If it becomes the law it will be required of every schoolchild across the UK
Do you have any idea how chilling (and how un-British) that statement is?
It is an utter disgrace and especially as he has recently been elected to office
There is nothing disgraceful about pledging allegiance to your nation and if you think there is you really should think about moving to the LDs as you are miles apart from the Boris led Tory Party I am a member of
I think it's children benig forced to pledge allegiance that people find chilling, rather than pledging allegiance, which all are free to do at any time.
Unless it is compulsory there is little point to it, it has to be universal to be effective and entrench loyalty to the nation from an early stage
But I was born here and live here and I don't have an entrenched loyalty to the nation. I'll cheer on England at Rugby and Cricket as the default, but that is as far as it goes. After that I take people as they come. When we do something good, like the Olympics, I'll cheer and when we cock it up I'll boo and I'll do the same re everyone else in the world.
What are you going to do with me? Deport me?
I was born here and live here, and consider myself very fortunate to do so. This is my favourite country to be in. I'm as patriotic as they come. But I'd find this sort of thing deeply discomfiting. I'd quite like the 10% of the population who appear to hate the UK and everything about it to adopt a bit more perspective. But I don't think this can be achieved by getting them to sing or their children to recite a pledge each day. Because, look at America.
The week involves pupils dressing up in red, white and blue and singing an “anthem” called “One Britain One Dream”, which ends with the repeating lines “Strong Britain Great Nation”.
Haha. What a load of shit.
Please tell me this is satire.
This course of patriotic song is standard fare in the US, Russia, China, even France.
Of course if it was belting out Flower of Scotland 5 times a day the SNP would have no complaints
And? Civus Britannicus sum. We don't do that sort of thing.
And 5x Flower of Scotland would require some serious anti-depressants.
We should do it more, we have far too many Scottish, Welsh and English national songs and not enough British national songs bar GSTQ which is more about the monarch than the nation and Rule Britannia which was more suitable for the age of Empire
When @Dura_Ace and I have the same instinctive view of things selling this is going to make Sisyphus's labours look like a gentle workout.
It does not need to be sold, the Tories have a majority of 80 and if they want to do it it will be done
Not by me.
If it becomes the law it will be required of every schoolchild across the UK
Do you have any idea how chilling (and how un-British) that statement is?
It is an utter disgrace and especially as he has recently been elected to office
There is nothing disgraceful about pledging allegiance to your nation and if you think there is you really should think about moving to the LDs as you are miles apart from the Boris led Tory Party I am a member of
I think it's children benig forced to pledge allegiance that people find chilling, rather than pledging allegiance, which all are free to do at any time.
Unless it is compulsory there is little point to it, it has to be universal to be effective and entrench loyalty to the nation from an early stage
But I was born here and live here and I don't have an entrenched loyalty to the nation. I'll cheer on England at Rugby and Cricket as the default, but that is as far as it goes. After that I take people as they come. When we do something good, like the Olympics, I'll cheer and when we cock it up I'll boo and I'll do the same re everyone else in the world.
What are you going to do with me? Deport me?
Depends, what are your views on fruit-based pizzas?
I think I am ok on that one Rob - Definitely no fruit.
Quieter skies, of course. We're under the flight path into Stansted and Heathrow.... the one that starts off Clacton.
Are the Ukrainian skies considered safe now?
Doesn't look like it! Russian airliners at the very least appear to be avoiding it - look at this route between Moscow and Chisinau, avoiding Ukraine: https://www.flightradar24.com/SBI3211/27d2323c
EDIT: Ooh, interestingly, there is an RAF plane from Norwich over the Ukraine currently. Has flown from Norwich out over the Black Sea, turned around and now appears to be retracing its steps:
The week involves pupils dressing up in red, white and blue and singing an “anthem” called “One Britain One Dream”, which ends with the repeating lines “Strong Britain Great Nation”.
Haha. What a load of shit.
Please tell me this is satire.
This course of patriotic song is standard fare in the US, Russia, China, even France.
Of course if it was belting out Flower of Scotland 5 times a day the SNP would have no complaints
And? Civus Britannicus sum. We don't do that sort of thing.
And 5x Flower of Scotland would require some serious anti-depressants.
We should do it more, we have far too many Scottish, Welsh and English national songs and not enough British national songs bar GSTQ which is more about the monarch than the nation and Rule Britannia which was more suitable for the age of Empire
When @Dura_Ace and I have the same instinctive view of things selling this is going to make Sisyphus's labours look like a gentle workout.
It does not need to be sold, the Tories have a majority of 80 and if they want to do it it will be done
Not by me.
If it becomes the law it will be required of every schoolchild across the UK
Do you have any idea how chilling (and how un-British) that statement is?
Don't you know that "we Tories have a majority of 80 and can do what we like"?
Anyway. It's definitely what people voted for in the referendum.
The week involves pupils dressing up in red, white and blue and singing an “anthem” called “One Britain One Dream”, which ends with the repeating lines “Strong Britain Great Nation”.
Haha. What a load of shit.
Please tell me this is satire.
This course of patriotic song is standard fare in the US, Russia, China, even France.
Of course if it was belting out Flower of Scotland 5 times a day the SNP would have no complaints
And? Civus Britannicus sum. We don't do that sort of thing.
And 5x Flower of Scotland would require some serious anti-depressants.
We should do it more, we have far too many Scottish, Welsh and English national songs and not enough British national songs bar GSTQ which is more about the monarch than the nation and Rule Britannia which was more suitable for the age of Empire
When @Dura_Ace and I have the same instinctive view of things selling this is going to make Sisyphus's labours look like a gentle workout.
It does not need to be sold, the Tories have a majority of 80 and if they want to do it it will be done
Not by me.
If it becomes the law it will be required of every schoolchild across the UK
Do you have any idea how chilling (and how un-British) that statement is?
It is an utter disgrace and especially as he has recently been elected to office
There is nothing disgraceful about pledging allegiance to your nation and if you think there is you really should think about moving to the LDs as you are miles apart from the Boris led Tory Party I am a member of
I think it's children benig forced to pledge allegiance that people find chilling, rather than pledging allegiance, which all are free to do at any time.
Unless it is compulsory there is little point to it, it has to be universal to be effective and entrench loyalty to the nation from an early stage
But I was born here and live here and I don't have an entrenched loyalty to the nation. I'll cheer on England at Rugby and Cricket as the default, but that is as far as it goes. After that I take people as they come. When we do something good, like the Olympics, I'll cheer and when we cock it up I'll boo and I'll do the same re everyone else in the world.
The week involves pupils dressing up in red, white and blue and singing an “anthem” called “One Britain One Dream”, which ends with the repeating lines “Strong Britain Great Nation”.
Haha. What a load of shit.
Please tell me this is satire.
This course of patriotic song is standard fare in the US, Russia, China, even France.
Of course if it was belting out Flower of Scotland 5 times a day the SNP would have no complaints
I honestly have no problem with patriotic songs - Jerusalem. Flower of Scotland. Land of My Fathers. Songs that have meaning. Not "One Nation One Britain" which is yet another faux-patriotic Tory agency ramming flags and twatty songs down primary school throats.
It is a song to celebrate Britain as a whole, something all too rarely done
It's interesting that the OBON people seem to conflate "Great Britain" with the UK. But I don't have time to drill down and find where the discrepancy lies.
You mean "England" not "Great Britain".
I'm quoting them, literally, from their website. It's the first specific indication of what they mean by 'Britain'.
I know its just that on their website its clear that they have no interest in the Irish. So the "nation" they refer to isn't the state - the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.
The nation apparently is "Britain". Which isn't a nation. So really its England.
Oh that's nitpicking nonsense. Britain includes Northern Ireland. Just as the England Cricket Team is really the England and Wales Cricket Team.
Do you think Arlene Foster on a form ticks "white British" or some other option in one of those ridiculous diversity forms?
If "Great Britain" includes Northern Ireland then why is the state called The United Kingdom of Great Britain AND Norther Ireland?
The week involves pupils dressing up in red, white and blue and singing an “anthem” called “One Britain One Dream”, which ends with the repeating lines “Strong Britain Great Nation”.
Haha. What a load of shit.
Please tell me this is satire.
This course of patriotic song is standard fare in the US, Russia, China, even France.
Of course if it was belting out Flower of Scotland 5 times a day the SNP would have no complaints
And? Civus Britannicus sum. We don't do that sort of thing.
And 5x Flower of Scotland would require some serious anti-depressants.
We should do it more, we have far too many Scottish, Welsh and English national songs and not enough British national songs bar GSTQ which is more about the monarch than the nation and Rule Britannia which was more suitable for the age of Empire
When @Dura_Ace and I have the same instinctive view of things selling this is going to make Sisyphus's labours look like a gentle workout.
It does not need to be sold, the Tories have a majority of 80 and if they want to do it it will be done
Not by me.
If it becomes the law it will be required of every schoolchild across the UK
Do you have any idea how chilling (and how un-British) that statement is?
It is an utter disgrace and especially as he has recently been elected to office
There is nothing disgraceful about pledging allegiance to your nation and if you think there is you really should think about moving to the LDs as you are miles apart from the Boris led Tory Party I am a member of
I thought Max Mosley died yesterday....
Well, of course Max ended up in New Labour and indeed was a Labour donor (until they decided his money was too dirty).
His journey appears to have been from Fascism through Conservatism to Sado-masochism and New Labour.
The week involves pupils dressing up in red, white and blue and singing an “anthem” called “One Britain One Dream”, which ends with the repeating lines “Strong Britain Great Nation”.
Haha. What a load of shit.
Please tell me this is satire.
This course of patriotic song is standard fare in the US, Russia, China, even France.
Of course if it was belting out Flower of Scotland 5 times a day the SNP would have no complaints
I honestly have no problem with patriotic songs - Jerusalem. Flower of Scotland. Land of My Fathers. Songs that have meaning. Not "One Nation One Britain" which is yet another faux-patriotic Tory agency ramming flags and twatty songs down primary school throats.
It is a song to celebrate Britain as a whole, something all too rarely done
It's interesting that the OBON people seem to conflate "Great Britain" with the UK. But I don't have time to drill down and find where the discrepancy lies.
You mean "England" not "Great Britain".
I'm quoting them, literally, from their website. It's the first specific indication of what they mean by 'Britain'.
I know its just that on their website its clear that they have no interest in the Irish. So the "nation" they refer to isn't the state - the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.
The nation apparently is "Britain". Which isn't a nation. So really its England.
Oh that's nitpicking nonsense. Britain includes Northern Ireland. Just as the England Cricket Team is really the England and Wales Cricket Team.
Do you think Arlene Foster on a form ticks "white British" or some other option in one of those ridiculous diversity forms?
If "Great Britain" includes Northern Ireland then why is the state called The United Kingdom of Great Britain AND Norther Ireland?
Northern Ireland, taking the Great out of Great Britain..
The week involves pupils dressing up in red, white and blue and singing an “anthem” called “One Britain One Dream”, which ends with the repeating lines “Strong Britain Great Nation”.
Haha. What a load of shit.
Please tell me this is satire.
This course of patriotic song is standard fare in the US, Russia, China, even France.
Of course if it was belting out Flower of Scotland 5 times a day the SNP would have no complaints
And? Civus Britannicus sum. We don't do that sort of thing.
And 5x Flower of Scotland would require some serious anti-depressants.
We should do it more, we have far too many Scottish, Welsh and English national songs and not enough British national songs bar GSTQ which is more about the monarch than the nation and Rule Britannia which was more suitable for the age of Empire
When @Dura_Ace and I have the same instinctive view of things selling this is going to make Sisyphus's labours look like a gentle workout.
It does not need to be sold, the Tories have a majority of 80 and if they want to do it it will be done
Not by me.
If it becomes the law it will be required of every schoolchild across the UK
Do you have any idea how chilling (and how un-British) that statement is?
It is an utter disgrace and especially as he has recently been elected to office
There is nothing disgraceful about pledging allegiance to your nation and if you think there is you really should think about moving to the LDs as you are miles apart from the Boris led Tory Party I am a member of
It’s just not very British.
We should leave getting over-excited about things like that to lesser nations.
We could start the day with a collective grumble about everything that has gone wrong since yesterday; that would be the British way.
Anyway. It's definitely what people voted for in the referendum.
...
As ever though, you miss the point. I may dislike some of what is now being done and may be done in the medium term, but we are free of the EU and a future Government can change anything it wants. Nothing is permanent and the “ratchet effect” is gone from our lives.
The week involves pupils dressing up in red, white and blue and singing an “anthem” called “One Britain One Dream”, which ends with the repeating lines “Strong Britain Great Nation”.
Haha. What a load of shit.
Please tell me this is satire.
This course of patriotic song is standard fare in the US, Russia, China, even France.
Of course if it was belting out Flower of Scotland 5 times a day the SNP would have no complaints
No, not the US, unless you’re conflating reciting the Pledge of Allegiance which is done at the start of the school day pretty much everywhere, with singing patriotic songs. In fact here it’s pretty unusual to sing the national anthem (as opposed to standing while someone sings it), probably because it’s so difficult for people who aren’t trained singers to sing.
That is precisely the point, it is an anthem to celebrate the whole United States, not individual states of it, sung regularly and reinforced by a Pledge of Allegiance to the nation said by each child at the start of each school day.
A Pledge of Allegiance said to the UK and its monarch by every child from Shetland to the Isle of Wight would be a good idea too
🤮🤮🤮
What happens if one is a republican? A Quaker? An independentist? An English Nationalist?
The week involves pupils dressing up in red, white and blue and singing an “anthem” called “One Britain One Dream”, which ends with the repeating lines “Strong Britain Great Nation”.
Haha. What a load of shit.
Please tell me this is satire.
This course of patriotic song is standard fare in the US, Russia, China, even France.
Of course if it was belting out Flower of Scotland 5 times a day the SNP would have no complaints
No, not the US, unless you’re conflating reciting the Pledge of Allegiance which is done at the start of the school day pretty much everywhere, with singing patriotic songs. In fact here it’s pretty unusual to sing the national anthem (as opposed to standing while someone sings it), probably because it’s so difficult for people who aren’t trained singers to sing.
That is precisely the point, it is an anthem to celebrate the whole United States, not individual states of it, sung regularly and reinforced by a Pledge of Allegiance to the nation said by each child at the start of each school day.
A Pledge of Allegiance said to the UK and its monarch by every child from Shetland to the Isle of Wight would be a good idea too
🤮🤮🤮
What happens if one is a republican? A Quaker? An independentist? An English Nationalist?
The week involves pupils dressing up in red, white and blue and singing an “anthem” called “One Britain One Dream”, which ends with the repeating lines “Strong Britain Great Nation”.
Haha. What a load of shit.
Please tell me this is satire.
This course of patriotic song is standard fare in the US, Russia, China, even France.
Of course if it was belting out Flower of Scotland 5 times a day the SNP would have no complaints
And? Civus Britannicus sum. We don't do that sort of thing.
And 5x Flower of Scotland would require some serious anti-depressants.
We should do it more, we have far too many Scottish, Welsh and English national songs and not enough British national songs bar GSTQ which is more about the monarch than the nation and Rule Britannia which was more suitable for the age of Empire
When @Dura_Ace and I have the same instinctive view of things selling this is going to make Sisyphus's labours look like a gentle workout.
It does not need to be sold, the Tories have a majority of 80 and if they want to do it it will be done
Not by me.
If it becomes the law it will be required of every schoolchild across the UK
Do you have any idea how chilling (and how un-British) that statement is?
It is an utter disgrace and especially as he has recently been elected to office
There is nothing disgraceful about pledging allegiance to your nation and if you think there is you really should think about moving to the LDs as you are miles apart from the Boris led Tory Party I am a member of
I think it's children benig forced to pledge allegiance that people find chilling, rather than pledging allegiance, which all are free to do at any time.
Unless it is compulsory there is little point to it, it has to be universal to be effective and entrench loyalty to the nation from an early stage
But I was born here and live here and I don't have an entrenched loyalty to the nation. I'll cheer on England at Rugby and Cricket as the default, but that is as far as it goes. After that I take people as they come. When we do something good, like the Olympics, I'll cheer and when we cock it up I'll boo and I'll do the same re everyone else in the world.
What are you going to do with me? Deport me?
I was born here and live here, and consider myself very fortunate to do so. This is my favourite country to be in. I'm as patriotic as they come. But I'd find this sort of thing deeply discomfiting. I'd quite like the 10% of the population who appear to hate the UK and everything about it to adopt a bit more perspective. But I don't think this can be achieved by getting them to sing or their children to recite a pledge each day. Because, look at America.
That is another reason why I don't like it. I am not very good on the emotion stuff. Don't like hugging, kissing, crying, singing, etc. Firm handshake is as far as it goes. And I won't take an active part in something I feel is wrong. I won't make a big point of it, but I won't contribute either. So I will go to someone's wedding in a church, but will politely sit there not taking an active part as that seems hypocritical. So for an anthem or reciting an allegiance I would stand there, but do nothing.
The week involves pupils dressing up in red, white and blue and singing an “anthem” called “One Britain One Dream”, which ends with the repeating lines “Strong Britain Great Nation”.
Haha. What a load of shit.
Please tell me this is satire.
This course of patriotic song is standard fare in the US, Russia, China, even France.
Of course if it was belting out Flower of Scotland 5 times a day the SNP would have no complaints
And? Civus Britannicus sum. We don't do that sort of thing.
And 5x Flower of Scotland would require some serious anti-depressants.
We should do it more, we have far too many Scottish, Welsh and English national songs and not enough British national songs bar GSTQ which is more about the monarch than the nation and Rule Britannia which was more suitable for the age of Empire
When @Dura_Ace and I have the same instinctive view of things selling this is going to make Sisyphus's labours look like a gentle workout.
It does not need to be sold, the Tories have a majority of 80 and if they want to do it it will be done
Not by me.
If it becomes the law it will be required of every schoolchild across the UK
Do you have any idea how chilling (and how un-British) that statement is?
It is an utter disgrace and especially as he has recently been elected to office
There is nothing disgraceful about pledging allegiance to your nation and if you think there is you really should think about moving to the LDs as you are miles apart from the Boris led Tory Party I am a member of
It’s just not very British.
We should leave getting over-excited about things like that to lesser nations.
We could start the day with a collective grumble about everything that has gone wrong since yesterday; that would be the British way.
Our national motto: “not too bad thanks, all things considered”. We all instantly understand that “all things” are terrible, and need to be debated at length.
If I'd had my two vaccines and I lived in Bolton I really can't imagine quite how angry I would be today.
My mum (in Burnley) was almost in tears on the phone to me half an hour ago. Both of them have had 2 jabs, and indeed just came back today from a long weekend away which presumably they shouldn't have gone on. Of course, it will be ignored so long as it just remains guidance and not "law" - but it can't be long before, say, holiday businesses start cancelling bookings from the affected areas, restaurants and other hospitality refusing entry etc. All of this a month before the supposed 21 June Big Freedom day.
This is playing catastrophically badly up here - you can just feel all those Red Wall Tory votes just evaporating en masse as every second ticks by without this latest omnishambles being sorted.
The week involves pupils dressing up in red, white and blue and singing an “anthem” called “One Britain One Dream”, which ends with the repeating lines “Strong Britain Great Nation”.
Haha. What a load of shit.
Please tell me this is satire.
This course of patriotic song is standard fare in the US, Russia, China, even France.
Of course if it was belting out Flower of Scotland 5 times a day the SNP would have no complaints
And? Civus Britannicus sum. We don't do that sort of thing.
And 5x Flower of Scotland would require some serious anti-depressants.
We should do it more, we have far too many Scottish, Welsh and English national songs and not enough British national songs bar GSTQ which is more about the monarch than the nation and Rule Britannia which was more suitable for the age of Empire
When @Dura_Ace and I have the same instinctive view of things selling this is going to make Sisyphus's labours look like a gentle workout.
It does not need to be sold, the Tories have a majority of 80 and if they want to do it it will be done
Not by me.
If it becomes the law it will be required of every schoolchild across the UK
Do you have any idea how chilling (and how un-British) that statement is?
It is an utter disgrace and especially as he has recently been elected to office
There is nothing disgraceful about pledging allegiance to your nation and if you think there is you really should think about moving to the LDs as you are miles apart from the Boris led Tory Party I am a member of
I think it's children benig forced to pledge allegiance that people find chilling, rather than pledging allegiance, which all are free to do at any time.
Unless it is compulsory there is little point to it, it has to be universal to be effective and entrench loyalty to the nation from an early stage
But I was born here and live here and I don't have an entrenched loyalty to the nation. I'll cheer on England at Rugby and Cricket as the default, but that is as far as it goes. After that I take people as they come. When we do something good, like the Olympics, I'll cheer and when we cock it up I'll boo and I'll do the same re everyone else in the world.
What are you going to do with me? Deport me?
I was born here and live here, and consider myself very fortunate to do so. This is my favourite country to be in. I'm as patriotic as they come. But I'd find this sort of thing deeply discomfiting. I'd quite like the 10% of the population who appear to hate the UK and everything about it to adopt a bit more perspective. But I don't think this can be achieved by getting them to sing or their children to recite a pledge each day. Because, look at America.
That is another reason why I don't like it. I am not very good on the emotion stuff. Don't like hugging, kissing, crying, singing, etc. Firm handshake is as far as it goes. And I won't take an active part in something I feel is wrong. I won't make a big point of it, but I won't contribute either. So I will go to someone's wedding in a church, but will politely sit there not taking an active part as that seems hypocritical. So for an anthem or reciting an allegiance I would stand there, but do nothing.
... for an anthem ... I would stand there .... !!
I always sit down when the National Anthem is played.
The week involves pupils dressing up in red, white and blue and singing an “anthem” called “One Britain One Dream”, which ends with the repeating lines “Strong Britain Great Nation”.
Haha. What a load of shit.
Please tell me this is satire.
This course of patriotic song is standard fare in the US, Russia, China, even France.
Of course if it was belting out Flower of Scotland 5 times a day the SNP would have no complaints
I honestly have no problem with patriotic songs - Jerusalem. Flower of Scotland. Land of My Fathers. Songs that have meaning. Not "One Nation One Britain" which is yet another faux-patriotic Tory agency ramming flags and twatty songs down primary school throats.
It is a song to celebrate Britain as a whole, something all too rarely done
It's interesting that the OBON people seem to conflate "Great Britain" with the UK. But I don't have time to drill down and find where the discrepancy lies.
You mean "England" not "Great Britain".
I'm quoting them, literally, from their website. It's the first specific indication of what they mean by 'Britain'.
I know its just that on their website its clear that they have no interest in the Irish. So the "nation" they refer to isn't the state - the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.
The nation apparently is "Britain". Which isn't a nation. So really its England.
Oh that's nitpicking nonsense. Britain includes Northern Ireland. Just as the England Cricket Team is really the England and Wales Cricket Team.
Do you think Arlene Foster on a form ticks "white British" or some other option in one of those ridiculous diversity forms?
If "Great Britain" includes Northern Ireland then why is the state called The United Kingdom of Great Britain AND Norther Ireland?
For the same reason the England team is technically the England and Wales Cricket Team.
The 'and ...' gets subsumed into the primary name. Doesn't mean that Welsh players wearing a shirt that has "ENGLAND" printed on it are playing for a different home nation.
The week involves pupils dressing up in red, white and blue and singing an “anthem” called “One Britain One Dream”, which ends with the repeating lines “Strong Britain Great Nation”.
Haha. What a load of shit.
Please tell me this is satire.
This course of patriotic song is standard fare in the US, Russia, China, even France.
Of course if it was belting out Flower of Scotland 5 times a day the SNP would have no complaints
No, not the US, unless you’re conflating reciting the Pledge of Allegiance which is done at the start of the school day pretty much everywhere, with singing patriotic songs. In fact here it’s pretty unusual to sing the national anthem (as opposed to standing while someone sings it), probably because it’s so difficult for people who aren’t trained singers to sing.
That is precisely the point, it is an anthem to celebrate the whole United States, not individual states of it, sung regularly and reinforced by a Pledge of Allegiance to the nation said by each child at the start of each school day.
A Pledge of Allegiance said to the UK and its monarch by every child from Shetland to the Isle of Wight would be a good idea too
Sorry HY, but that is simply not British. One of the brilliant things about being British used to be the quiet confidence of it. The lack of necessity of seeing a Union Flag behind every minister, the lack of need to have children singing songs in the wrong key. It is utterly vomit inducing. Leave the flag waving and song singing to those that are less confident, or at least the song singing to the Welsh, who are the only nation in the world who can sing their anthem in different parts and complex harmonies, and for which I love them.
Flag waving by civilians is for tossers and fascists.
Flags in themselves are fine, they bring colour on a dull day. Hey, let's fly the flag of the Commonwealth as well. And the UN. And the Council of Europe.
Mandatory flag-flying, compulsory saluting the flag, that's different. That's not British, for the reasons you give.
However, Andrew Rosindell is my MP. And whilst I find his shtick absurd and sometimes menacing, only a fool could deny that it's electorally successful. Those voters are a key part of the governing party's coalition. Without those voters, no fortysomething percent in the polls now, no fifty-two percent in 2016.
The week involves pupils dressing up in red, white and blue and singing an “anthem” called “One Britain One Dream”, which ends with the repeating lines “Strong Britain Great Nation”.
Haha. What a load of shit.
Please tell me this is satire.
This course of patriotic song is standard fare in the US, Russia, China, even France.
Of course if it was belting out Flower of Scotland 5 times a day the SNP would have no complaints
And? Civus Britannicus sum. We don't do that sort of thing.
And 5x Flower of Scotland would require some serious anti-depressants.
We should do it more, we have far too many Scottish, Welsh and English national songs and not enough British national songs bar GSTQ which is more about the monarch than the nation and Rule Britannia which was more suitable for the age of Empire
When @Dura_Ace and I have the same instinctive view of things selling this is going to make Sisyphus's labours look like a gentle workout.
It does not need to be sold, the Tories have a majority of 80 and if they want to do it it will be done
Not by me.
If it becomes the law it will be required of every schoolchild across the UK
Do you have any idea how chilling (and how un-British) that statement is?
It is an utter disgrace and especially as he has recently been elected to office
There is nothing disgraceful about pledging allegiance to your nation and if you think there is you really should think about moving to the LDs as you are miles apart from the Boris led Tory Party I am a member of
I think it's children benig forced to pledge allegiance that people find chilling, rather than pledging allegiance, which all are free to do at any time.
Unless it is compulsory there is little point to it, it has to be universal to be effective and entrench loyalty to the nation from an early stage
But I was born here and live here and I don't have an entrenched loyalty to the nation. I'll cheer on England at Rugby and Cricket as the default, but that is as far as it goes. After that I take people as they come. When we do something good, like the Olympics, I'll cheer and when we cock it up I'll boo and I'll do the same re everyone else in the world.
What are you going to do with me? Deport me?
I was born here and live here, and consider myself very fortunate to do so. This is my favourite country to be in. I'm as patriotic as they come. But I'd find this sort of thing deeply discomfiting. I'd quite like the 10% of the population who appear to hate the UK and everything about it to adopt a bit more perspective. But I don't think this can be achieved by getting them to sing or their children to recite a pledge each day. Because, look at America.
That is another reason why I don't like it. I am not very good on the emotion stuff. Don't like hugging, kissing, crying, singing, etc. Firm handshake is as far as it goes. And I won't take an active part in something I feel is wrong. I won't make a big point of it, but I won't contribute either. So I will go to someone's wedding in a church, but will politely sit there not taking an active part as that seems hypocritical. So for an anthem or reciting an allegiance I would stand there, but do nothing.
... for an anthem ... I would stand there .... !!
I always sit down when the National Anthem is played.
If I'd had my two vaccines and I lived in Bolton I really can't imagine quite how angry I would be today.
My mum (in Burnley) was almost in tears on the phone to me half an hour ago. Both of them have had 2 jabs, and indeed just came back today from a long weekend away which presumably they shouldn't have gone on. Of course, it will be ignored so long as it just remains guidance and not "law" - but it can't be long before, say, holiday businesses start cancelling bookings from the affected areas, restaurants and other hospitality refusing entry etc. All of this a month before the supposed 21 June Big Freedom day.
This is playing catastrophically badly up here - you can just feel all those Red Wall Tory votes just evaporating en masse as every second ticks by without this latest omnishambles being sorted.
Bye bye Batley too, for the Tories. I suspect that's lost now, particularly as it's in the heart of one of the affected boroughs.
As ever though, you miss the point. I may dislike some of what is now being done and may be done in the medium term, but we are free of the EU and a future Government can change anything it wants. Nothing is permanent and the “ratchet effect” is gone from our lives.
The week involves pupils dressing up in red, white and blue and singing an “anthem” called “One Britain One Dream”, which ends with the repeating lines “Strong Britain Great Nation”.
Haha. What a load of shit.
Please tell me this is satire.
This course of patriotic song is standard fare in the US, Russia, China, even France.
Of course if it was belting out Flower of Scotland 5 times a day the SNP would have no complaints
And? Civus Britannicus sum. We don't do that sort of thing.
And 5x Flower of Scotland would require some serious anti-depressants.
We should do it more, we have far too many Scottish, Welsh and English national songs and not enough British national songs bar GSTQ which is more about the monarch than the nation and Rule Britannia which was more suitable for the age of Empire
I think Rule Britannia is the best patriotic song any of the nations have. It's by far the best and most rousing tune, except Jerusalem, and its main message, that a strong defence is necessary to avoid being enslaved by foreigners, is as right now as it was in 1740.
It certainly proves that fine British patriots knew that being enslaved by foreigners was a very bad thing, a fact that didn't prevent them profiting from enslaving foreigners for another 60 odd years.
Not just foreigners. They were happy to enslave coal miners and sauters in Scotland till 1799.
I had no idea that OBON existed - what an absurd creation it is!
It is news to me too. Looking at its website I have the impression that it is a rather tone-deaf effort with good intentions rather than something more sinister. The problem it faces is that its message - that there is a kind of progressive and inclusive vision of Britishness on offer that people of all backgrounds can embrace with enthusiasm - is not matched by reality. Government policy explicitly makes many black and brown people second class citizens, for instance by stripping people of citizenship based on their parents' nationality, or by implementing a hostile environment immigration policy that presumes people to be here illegally unless they can prove otherwise. We have a ruling party guilty of institutionalised Islamophobia led by a racist. And the government openly venerates divisive White supremacists like Cecil Rhodes as it stokes endless culture wars to appeal to its reactionary base. As long as the reality fails so utterly to match up to this kind of feel-good red white and blue nonsense, if anyone tells my mixed race kids to wave a Union Jack I will tell them to fuck off.
Institutionalised Islamophobia in the party whose leader marched in goosestep with Nigel Farage during Brexit? Well you could have knocked me down with a feather.........
As ever though, you miss the point. I may dislike some of what is now being done and may be done in the medium term, but we are free of the EU and a future Government can change anything it wants. Nothing is permanent and the “ratchet effect” is gone from our lives.
Am I missing something? Aren't the new 'restrictions' entirely advisory? If they are, then who really gives a toss?
Because the difference between what is the law and what is merely guidance and advice has been deliberately obscured by the government and misunderstood by officialdom, from the police down. That's why we should give a toss.
A good example is in the new guidance where it says "this guidance is underpinned by law". Despite no change in the law.
It's deliberately deceitful. Confusing law and guidance in this way is very dangerous - - it is arbitrary because there can be no certainty about what it means or how it is applied, with so much depending on which official you speak to or encounter - it undermines the rule of law - it means that people are deceived about their rights - it gives too much unaccountable power to politicians and officialdom.
No-one cares. They should.
No one cares?!
There have been posters on here who for many, many months have been pointing out the principles, and danger, involved in what the government has been doing. For much of that time to great ridicule by the majority.
People have consistently confused a dislike of draconian laws with a dislike of what those laws have been introduced to address. They may have been introduced to stem the spread of the virus, but the issue has always been broader than that - we are now in a society which, for whatever good intentioned reasons, has a set of fiercely illiberal laws with which it appears the government continues to control the population.
It's only when people's personal "red lines" have been breached (which in totality lie on a spectrum) that there has been outrage. The principle has never changed right from for example @contrarian's first post.
Now everyone agrees with him.
I wrote to MP in May last year suggesting that a flagrant disregard for Parliament was slightly disappointing. The usual weasel answer although a week later the Speaker gave the government a kicking over just that point.
I believe in the rule of law, not the rule of “guidance” and delegated legislation.
The trouble is, at least for me, the time of liberal conservatism has seems to have passed. Labour has nothing to offer and the Liberal Democrat’s are not terribly liberal (unless liberal now means milk and water socialism).
The week involves pupils dressing up in red, white and blue and singing an “anthem” called “One Britain One Dream”, which ends with the repeating lines “Strong Britain Great Nation”.
Haha. What a load of shit.
Please tell me this is satire.
This course of patriotic song is standard fare in the US, Russia, China, even France.
Of course if it was belting out Flower of Scotland 5 times a day the SNP would have no complaints
And? Civus Britannicus sum. We don't do that sort of thing.
And 5x Flower of Scotland would require some serious anti-depressants.
We should do it more, we have far too many Scottish, Welsh and English national songs and not enough British national songs bar GSTQ which is more about the monarch than the nation and Rule Britannia which was more suitable for the age of Empire
When @Dura_Ace and I have the same instinctive view of things selling this is going to make Sisyphus's labours look like a gentle workout.
It does not need to be sold, the Tories have a majority of 80 and if they want to do it it will be done
Not by me.
If it becomes the law it will be required of every schoolchild across the UK
Do you have any idea how chilling (and how un-British) that statement is?
It is an utter disgrace and especially as he has recently been elected to office
There is nothing disgraceful about pledging allegiance to your nation and if you think there is you really should think about moving to the LDs as you are miles apart from the Boris led Tory Party I am a member of
It’s just not very British.
We should leave getting over-excited about things like that to lesser nations.
We could start the day with a collective grumble about everything that has gone wrong since yesterday; that would be the British way.
I wonder if HYUFD has considered moving to Belarus?
The week involves pupils dressing up in red, white and blue and singing an “anthem” called “One Britain One Dream”, which ends with the repeating lines “Strong Britain Great Nation”.
Haha. What a load of shit.
Please tell me this is satire.
This course of patriotic song is standard fare in the US, Russia, China, even France.
Of course if it was belting out Flower of Scotland 5 times a day the SNP would have no complaints
And? Civus Britannicus sum. We don't do that sort of thing.
And 5x Flower of Scotland would require some serious anti-depressants.
We should do it more, we have far too many Scottish, Welsh and English national songs and not enough British national songs bar GSTQ which is more about the monarch than the nation and Rule Britannia which was more suitable for the age of Empire
When @Dura_Ace and I have the same instinctive view of things selling this is going to make Sisyphus's labours look like a gentle workout.
It does not need to be sold, the Tories have a majority of 80 and if they want to do it it will be done
Not by me.
If it becomes the law it will be required of every schoolchild across the UK
Do you have any idea how chilling (and how un-British) that statement is?
It is an utter disgrace and especially as he has recently been elected to office
There is nothing disgraceful about pledging allegiance to your nation and if you think there is you really should think about moving to the LDs as you are miles apart from the Boris led Tory Party I am a member of
It’s just not very British.
We should leave getting over-excited about things like that to lesser nations.
We could start the day with a collective grumble about everything that has gone wrong since yesterday; that would be the British way.
Our national motto: “not too bad thanks, all things considered”. We all instantly understand that “all things” are terrible, and need to be debated at length.
This is where Danny Boyle went wrong, not realising that his job was actually to produce a ceremony that was a bit shit, to keep us stocked up with collective grumbles for the rest of that year.
Nexta publishes part of alleged air traffic conversation on Ryanair. Seems to suggest that pilot was tricked by Belarusian air traffic control, who claimed bomb would be activated over Vilnius.
As ever though, you miss the point. I may dislike some of what is now being done and may be done in the medium term, but we are free of the EU and a future Government can change anything it wants. Nothing is permanent and the “ratchet effect” is gone from our lives.
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You’re calling me a fascist?
I suspect if I used the word I wanted to use to describe you, I’d likely be banned. Suffice to say it’s the least pleasant one I can think of, and one I rarely use.
The week involves pupils dressing up in red, white and blue and singing an “anthem” called “One Britain One Dream”, which ends with the repeating lines “Strong Britain Great Nation”.
Haha. What a load of shit.
Please tell me this is satire.
This course of patriotic song is standard fare in the US, Russia, China, even France.
Of course if it was belting out Flower of Scotland 5 times a day the SNP would have no complaints
No, not the US, unless you’re conflating reciting the Pledge of Allegiance which is done at the start of the school day pretty much everywhere, with singing patriotic songs. In fact here it’s pretty unusual to sing the national anthem (as opposed to standing while someone sings it), probably because it’s so difficult for people who aren’t trained singers to sing.
That is precisely the point, it is an anthem to celebrate the whole United States, not individual states of it, sung regularly and reinforced by a Pledge of Allegiance to the nation said by each child at the start of each school day.
A Pledge of Allegiance said to the UK and its monarch by every child from Shetland to the Isle of Wight would be a good idea too
🤮🤮🤮
What happens if one is a republican? A Quaker? An independentist? An English Nationalist?
Tough, move
So you would deport Quakers, for instance? That is, erm, a 'brave' sentiment.
Covid is done. If you have had both jabs. And the latest foreign variants don't become resistant. And don't come here. So it isn't done!
We absolutely should work towards normalisation. But not just drop all restrictions because "its done". Its not.
Barring the import of a variant with significant vaccine escape, Covid in the UK is done, pretty much regardless of vaccine status. Anyone who hasn't been offered at least a 1st vaccine now is at so little risk it's not worth worrying about. So some foreign travel restrictions may possibly be be appropriate (although probably pretty pointless unless we go full New Zealand) but the remaining domestic restrictions should have gone some time ago - there is nothing domestically that can happen now which leads to a further wave of any significance.
The government did a very good job on the vaccines programme, which has been almost perfect. For the last three months it's been squandering these gains by unlocking a month to two months behind where it could have done.
If Starmer wasn't a complete moron he would have been making hay with this. Unfortunately he appears to be too stupid to capitalise on what's probably the most serious mistake the government made through virtually the whole thing.
The week involves pupils dressing up in red, white and blue and singing an “anthem” called “One Britain One Dream”, which ends with the repeating lines “Strong Britain Great Nation”.
Haha. What a load of shit.
Please tell me this is satire.
This course of patriotic song is standard fare in the US, Russia, China, even France.
Of course if it was belting out Flower of Scotland 5 times a day the SNP would have no complaints
And? Civus Britannicus sum. We don't do that sort of thing.
And 5x Flower of Scotland would require some serious anti-depressants.
We should do it more, we have far too many Scottish, Welsh and English national songs and not enough British national songs bar GSTQ which is more about the monarch than the nation and Rule Britannia which was more suitable for the age of Empire
When @Dura_Ace and I have the same instinctive view of things selling this is going to make Sisyphus's labours look like a gentle workout.
It does not need to be sold, the Tories have a majority of 80 and if they want to do it it will be done
Not by me.
If it becomes the law it will be required of every schoolchild across the UK
Do you have any idea how chilling (and how un-British) that statement is?
It is an utter disgrace and especially as he has recently been elected to office
There is nothing disgraceful about pledging allegiance to your nation and if you think there is you really should think about moving to the LDs as you are miles apart from the Boris led Tory Party I am a member of
It’s just not very British.
We should leave getting over-excited about things like that to lesser nations.
We could start the day with a collective grumble about everything that has gone wrong since yesterday; that would be the British way.
I wonder if HYUFD has considered moving to Belarus?
We could fly a plane with him on board, back and forth across their airspace, but I am not convinced that they’d want him enough to put a fighter jet into the air?
The week involves pupils dressing up in red, white and blue and singing an “anthem” called “One Britain One Dream”, which ends with the repeating lines “Strong Britain Great Nation”.
Haha. What a load of shit.
Please tell me this is satire.
This course of patriotic song is standard fare in the US, Russia, China, even France.
Of course if it was belting out Flower of Scotland 5 times a day the SNP would have no complaints
And? Civus Britannicus sum. We don't do that sort of thing.
And 5x Flower of Scotland would require some serious anti-depressants.
We should do it more, we have far too many Scottish, Welsh and English national songs and not enough British national songs bar GSTQ which is more about the monarch than the nation and Rule Britannia which was more suitable for the age of Empire
When @Dura_Ace and I have the same instinctive view of things selling this is going to make Sisyphus's labours look like a gentle workout.
It does not need to be sold, the Tories have a majority of 80 and if they want to do it it will be done
Not by me.
If it becomes the law it will be required of every schoolchild across the UK
Do you have any idea how chilling (and how un-British) that statement is?
It is an utter disgrace and especially as he has recently been elected to office
There is nothing disgraceful about pledging allegiance to your nation and if you think there is you really should think about moving to the LDs as you are miles apart from the Boris led Tory Party I am a member of
I thought Max Mosley died yesterday....
Well, of course Max ended up in New Labour and indeed was a Labour donor (until they decided his money was too dirty).
His journey appears to have been from Fascism through Conservatism to Sado-masochism and New Labour.
I hadn't really realised that Mosley Jr was so involved in his dad's politics in his youth. I guess you have to take people's word for it when they say they've rejected stuff like, but just imagine the screeching if Max M. had come out in support of Corbyn (unlikely I know)!
I seem to recall Mosley being quoted as saying some disobliging things about Jackie Stewart and his dyslexia which if I'd had a previous involvement in politics based around an Aryan uber race I'd probably have avoided.
The week involves pupils dressing up in red, white and blue and singing an “anthem” called “One Britain One Dream”, which ends with the repeating lines “Strong Britain Great Nation”.
Haha. What a load of shit.
I never thought our descent into fascism would be so cringe-worthy.
I agree. I don't see the problem with Land of Hope and Glory.
Scrolling yesterday's threads I learn that @Topping and I were born in the same road in London - Avenue Road. Probably at the same clinic - long since gone
Totally irrelevant fact of the day.
Still cold here - though no rain. Am a bit fed up now with this. The garden has been watered plenty thanks. Gardening in horizontal wind and rain is no fun. A bit of warmth would do my roses, clematis - and me - the world of good. All we get is sun occasionally but no warmth. Enough already.
You'll just have to make do with the red-haired Laird until then....
The week involves pupils dressing up in red, white and blue and singing an “anthem” called “One Britain One Dream”, which ends with the repeating lines “Strong Britain Great Nation”.
Haha. What a load of shit.
Please tell me this is satire.
This course of patriotic song is standard fare in the US, Russia, China, even France.
Of course if it was belting out Flower of Scotland 5 times a day the SNP would have no complaints
No, not the US, unless you’re conflating reciting the Pledge of Allegiance which is done at the start of the school day pretty much everywhere, with singing patriotic songs. In fact here it’s pretty unusual to sing the national anthem (as opposed to standing while someone sings it), probably because it’s so difficult for people who aren’t trained singers to sing.
That is precisely the point, it is an anthem to celebrate the whole United States, not individual states of it, sung regularly and reinforced by a Pledge of Allegiance to the nation said by each child at the start of each school day.
A Pledge of Allegiance said to the UK and its monarch by every child from Shetland to the Isle of Wight would be a good idea too
🤮🤮🤮
What happens if one is a republican? A Quaker? An independentist? An English Nationalist?
As ever though, you miss the point. I may dislike some of what is now being done and may be done in the medium term, but we are free of the EU and a future Government can change anything it wants. Nothing is permanent and the “ratchet effect” is gone from our lives.
The week involves pupils dressing up in red, white and blue and singing an “anthem” called “One Britain One Dream”, which ends with the repeating lines “Strong Britain Great Nation”.
Haha. What a load of shit.
Please tell me this is satire.
This course of patriotic song is standard fare in the US, Russia, China, even France.
Of course if it was belting out Flower of Scotland 5 times a day the SNP would have no complaints
And? Civus Britannicus sum. We don't do that sort of thing.
And 5x Flower of Scotland would require some serious anti-depressants.
We should do it more, we have far too many Scottish, Welsh and English national songs and not enough British national songs bar GSTQ which is more about the monarch than the nation and Rule Britannia which was more suitable for the age of Empire
When @Dura_Ace and I have the same instinctive view of things selling this is going to make Sisyphus's labours look like a gentle workout.
It does not need to be sold, the Tories have a majority of 80 and if they want to do it it will be done
Not by me.
If it becomes the law it will be required of every schoolchild across the UK
Do you have any idea how chilling (and how un-British) that statement is?
It is an utter disgrace and especially as he has recently been elected to office
There is nothing disgraceful about pledging allegiance to your nation and if you think there is you really should think about moving to the LDs as you are miles apart from the Boris led Tory Party I am a member of
I thought Max Mosley died yesterday....
Well, of course Max ended up in New Labour and indeed was a Labour donor (until they decided his money was too dirty).
His journey appears to have been from Fascism through Conservatism to Sado-masochism and New Labour.
I hadn't really realised that Mosley Jr was so involved in his dad's politics in his youth. I guess you have to take people's word for it when they say they've rejected stuff like, but just imagine the screeching if Max M. had come out in support of Corbyn (unlikely I know)!
I seem to recall Mosley being quoted as saying some disobliging things about Jackie Stewart and his dyslexia which if I'd had a previous involvement in politics based around an Aryan uber race I'd probably have avoided.
Not sure if Diana was his mother or not (or whether it was the first Mrs. Mosley) but she was a convinced Nazi all her life, so he was brought up in an interesting political environment to say the least.
As ever though, you miss the point. I may dislike some of what is now being done and may be done in the medium term, but we are free of the EU and a future Government can change anything it wants. Nothing is permanent and the “ratchet effect” is gone from our lives.
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How is that picture relevant to that quote?
are you new around here?
No, I was genuinely asking. The quote seemed to be about preferring to be outside of the EU rather than in, but the quote is of a fictional fascist leader.
As ever though, you miss the point. I may dislike some of what is now being done and may be done in the medium term, but we are free of the EU and a future Government can change anything it wants. Nothing is permanent and the “ratchet effect” is gone from our lives.
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How is that picture relevant to that quote?
are you new around here?
I'm not, and I don't get it either, so please explain for our sakes.
As ever though, you miss the point. I may dislike some of what is now being done and may be done in the medium term, but we are free of the EU and a future Government can change anything it wants. Nothing is permanent and the “ratchet effect” is gone from our lives.
...
You’re calling me a fascist?
I suspect if I used the word I wanted to use to describe you, I’d likely be banned. Suffice to say it’s the least pleasant one I can think of, and one I rarely use.
To be fair to Scott n Paste he just trolls for a bite and sees anyone to the right of SKS in such terms.
Nexta publishes part of alleged air traffic conversation on Ryanair. Seems to suggest that pilot was tricked by Belarusian air traffic control, who claimed bomb would be activated over Vilnius.
If there’s any truth to that, Western airlines are not going near the place for an awfully long time.
Direct threats against airbourne civilian airliners are acts of war.
surely the key thing about govt changing its covid advice to hot spot areas while marking "X" for no publicity is that it is a completely futile move.. If noone knows, why would they even think of changing their behaviour...
The week involves pupils dressing up in red, white and blue and singing an “anthem” called “One Britain One Dream”, which ends with the repeating lines “Strong Britain Great Nation”.
Haha. What a load of shit.
I never thought our descent into fascism would be so cringe-worthy.
I agree. I don't see the problem with Land of Hope and Glory.
"Wider Still and Wider shall thy bounds be set ..." isn't very woke in this age of anti-colonialism.
Scrolling yesterday's threads I learn that @Topping and I were born in the same road in London - Avenue Road. Probably at the same clinic - long since gone
Totally irrelevant fact of the day.
Still cold here - though no rain. Am a bit fed up now with this. The garden has been watered plenty thanks. Gardening in horizontal wind and rain is no fun. A bit of warmth would do my roses, clematis - and me - the world of good. All we get is sun occasionally but no warmth. Enough already.
Ha yes - 12 Avenue Road I believe. Perhaps we passed in a corridor somewhere although of course I'm sure I'm many years older than you.
The week involves pupils dressing up in red, white and blue and singing an “anthem” called “One Britain One Dream”, which ends with the repeating lines “Strong Britain Great Nation”.
Haha. What a load of shit.
Please tell me this is satire.
This course of patriotic song is standard fare in the US, Russia, China, even France.
Of course if it was belting out Flower of Scotland 5 times a day the SNP would have no complaints
No, not the US, unless you’re conflating reciting the Pledge of Allegiance which is done at the start of the school day pretty much everywhere, with singing patriotic songs. In fact here it’s pretty unusual to sing the national anthem (as opposed to standing while someone sings it), probably because it’s so difficult for people who aren’t trained singers to sing.
That is precisely the point, it is an anthem to celebrate the whole United States, not individual states of it, sung regularly and reinforced by a Pledge of Allegiance to the nation said by each child at the start of each school day.
A Pledge of Allegiance said to the UK and its monarch by every child from Shetland to the Isle of Wight would be a good idea too
🤮🤮🤮
I was going to express the same sentiment, but less concisely. Thanks.
Am I missing something? Aren't the new 'restrictions' entirely advisory? If they are, then who really gives a toss?
Because the difference between what is the law and what is merely guidance and advice has been deliberately obscured by the government and misunderstood by officialdom, from the police down. That's why we should give a toss.
A good example is in the new guidance where it says "this guidance is underpinned by law". Despite no change in the law.
It's deliberately deceitful. Confusing law and guidance in this way is very dangerous - - it is arbitrary because there can be no certainty about what it means or how it is applied, with so much depending on which official you speak to or encounter - it undermines the rule of law - it means that people are deceived about their rights - it gives too much unaccountable power to politicians and officialdom.
No-one cares. They should.
No one cares?!
There have been posters on here who for many, many months have been pointing out the principles, and danger, involved in what the government has been doing. For much of that time to great ridicule by the majority.
People have consistently confused a dislike of draconian laws with a dislike of what those laws have been introduced to address. They may have been introduced to stem the spread of the virus, but the issue has always been broader than that - we are now in a society which, for whatever good intentioned reasons, has a set of fiercely illiberal laws with which it appears the government continues to control the population.
It's only when people's personal "red lines" have been breached (which in totality lie on a spectrum) that there has been outrage. The principle has never changed right from for example @contrarian's first post.
Now everyone agrees with him.
I wrote to MP in May last year suggesting that a flagrant disregard for Parliament was slightly disappointing. The usual weasel answer although a week later the Speaker gave the government a kicking over just that point.
I believe in the rule of law, not the rule of “guidance” and delegated legislation.
The trouble is, at least for me, the time of liberal conservatism has seems to have passed. Labour has nothing to offer and the Liberal Democrat’s are not terribly liberal (unless liberal now means milk and water socialism).
During Lockdown One I kept a copy of the rules & regs in my back pocket on my three daily cycle rides because if plod decided to stop me and for whatever reason had noticed I had been outside previously I would be able to quote the law at them.
I foresee a bit more of that, depending on what the rules/regulations/laws/guidance turns out to be.
The week involves pupils dressing up in red, white and blue and singing an “anthem” called “One Britain One Dream”, which ends with the repeating lines “Strong Britain Great Nation”.
Haha. What a load of shit.
Please tell me this is satire.
This course of patriotic song is standard fare in the US, Russia, China, even France.
Of course if it was belting out Flower of Scotland 5 times a day the SNP would have no complaints
And? Civus Britannicus sum. We don't do that sort of thing.
And 5x Flower of Scotland would require some serious anti-depressants.
We should do it more, we have far too many Scottish, Welsh and English national songs and not enough British national songs bar GSTQ which is more about the monarch than the nation and Rule Britannia which was more suitable for the age of Empire
When @Dura_Ace and I have the same instinctive view of things selling this is going to make Sisyphus's labours look like a gentle workout.
It does not need to be sold, the Tories have a majority of 80 and if they want to do it it will be done
Not by me.
If it becomes the law it will be required of every schoolchild across the UK
Do you have any idea how chilling (and how un-British) that statement is?
It is an utter disgrace and especially as he has recently been elected to office
There is nothing disgraceful about pledging allegiance to your nation and if you think there is you really should think about moving to the LDs as you are miles apart from the Boris led Tory Party I am a member of
I thought Max Mosley died yesterday....
Well, of course Max ended up in New Labour and indeed was a Labour donor (until they decided his money was too dirty).
His journey appears to have been from Fascism through Conservatism to Sado-masochism and New Labour.
I hadn't really realised that Mosley Jr was so involved in his dad's politics in his youth. I guess you have to take people's word for it when they say they've rejected stuff like, but just imagine the screeching if Max M. had come out in support of Corbyn (unlikely I know)!
I seem to recall Mosley being quoted as saying some disobliging things about Jackie Stewart and his dyslexia which if I'd had a previous involvement in politics based around an Aryan uber race I'd probably have avoided.
Not sure if Diana was his mother or not (or whether it was the first Mrs. Mosley) but she was a convinced Nazi all her life, so he was brought up in an interesting political environment to say the least.
I think the best term for Oswald and Diana Mitford would probably be unapologetic, which would also set up an interesting family dynamic if someone was trying to distance themselves from those politics. Checking Wiki Diana was his mother with one other 'full' brother. One of his half brothers, Nicholas, is/was a decent writer though I haven't read anything of his for an age. Wrote some excoriating stuff about his dad.
BBC North West Today news just on now explained how the local lockdown cock-up came to light - a pub landlord in Bolton stumbled across the new guidance yesterday, emailed BBC North West who then looked into it and broke the story on their late news bulletin last night.
Increasing confusion, anger and upset now in the affected areas. Reports of hoteliers in the Lakes now getting calls from guests in Burnley, Blackburn etc saying "can we still come?, do we have to cancel?" etc and not having the faintest idea what they should be saying or doing.
How long can the Govt go on just doing nothing about this? It's staggering!
I take our kids to swimming classes in Bolton every weekend. Can they still go? Will the company that runs the classes be given some clear guidance on what they should be doing? Can they claim grants or compensation if they have to shut down again? Will the hotel with the pool which hosts the classes now have to close to anyone from outside Bolton anyway?
The week involves pupils dressing up in red, white and blue and singing an “anthem” called “One Britain One Dream”, which ends with the repeating lines “Strong Britain Great Nation”.
Haha. What a load of shit.
Please tell me this is satire.
This course of patriotic song is standard fare in the US, Russia, China, even France.
Of course if it was belting out Flower of Scotland 5 times a day the SNP would have no complaints
And? Civus Britannicus sum. We don't do that sort of thing.
And 5x Flower of Scotland would require some serious anti-depressants.
We should do it more, we have far too many Scottish, Welsh and English national songs and not enough British national songs bar GSTQ which is more about the monarch than the nation and Rule Britannia which was more suitable for the age of Empire
When @Dura_Ace and I have the same instinctive view of things selling this is going to make Sisyphus's labours look like a gentle workout.
It does not need to be sold, the Tories have a majority of 80 and if they want to do it it will be done
Not by me.
If it becomes the law it will be required of every schoolchild across the UK
Even in the US, that is not true. You are an instinctive (and Pooterish) authoritarian.
Hmm I shall be cycling past that area at around that time tomorrow (just as part of my day to day movement). I will need to make sure I don't wear my red jacket.
Gove is such a massive snake. He should be sacked over this new attempt to extend lockdown without telling people affected by it or informing Parliament in advance.
BBC North West Today news just on now explained how the local lockdown cock-up came to light - a pub landlord in Bolton stumbled across the new guidance yesterday, emailed BBC North West who then looked into it and broke the story on their late news bulletin last night.
Increasing confusion, anger and upset now in the affected areas. Reports of hoteliers in the Lakes now getting calls from guests in Burnley, Blackburn etc saying "can we still come?, do we have to cancel?" etc and not having the faintest idea what they should be saying or doing.
How long can the Govt go on just doing nothing about this? It's staggering!
Say:
It was all a mistake - not going to happen Actually we're going to broaden the advice to incorporate more places/everywhere - might happen You should have been looking on Page XXX/123/nnn of this or that document - most likely.
BBC North West Today news just on now explained how the local lockdown cock-up came to light - a pub landlord in Bolton stumbled across the new guidance yesterday, emailed BBC North West who then looked into it and broke the story on their late news bulletin last night.
Increasing confusion, anger and upset now in the affected areas. Reports of hoteliers in the Lakes now getting calls from guests in Burnley, Blackburn etc saying "can we still come?, do we have to cancel?" etc and not having the faintest idea what they should be saying or doing.
How long can the Govt go on just doing nothing about this? It's staggering!
An acquaintance has gone to see her parents in East Anglia for the first time in over a year. Now she has no idea whether she should be returning to Hounslow or not. All most bizarre.
The week involves pupils dressing up in red, white and blue and singing an “anthem” called “One Britain One Dream”, which ends with the repeating lines “Strong Britain Great Nation”.
Haha. What a load of shit.
I never thought our descent into fascism would be so cringe-worthy.
I agree. I don't see the problem with Land of Hope and Glory.
"Wider Still and Wider shall thy bounds be set ..." isn't very woke in this age of anti-colonialism.
I don't care, but others probably would.
Who knows the words to Land of Hope and Glory? It's a decent enough tune but I have no idea what it's lyrics are beyond the title. Jerusalem and the Welsh song are the only decent national anthem contenders really, the others are all crap although Rule Britannia is the only one I actively hate.
The week involves pupils dressing up in red, white and blue and singing an “anthem” called “One Britain One Dream”, which ends with the repeating lines “Strong Britain Great Nation”.
Haha. What a load of shit.
Please tell me this is satire.
This course of patriotic song is standard fare in the US, Russia, China, even France.
Of course if it was belting out Flower of Scotland 5 times a day the SNP would have no complaints
And? Civus Britannicus sum. We don't do that sort of thing.
And 5x Flower of Scotland would require some serious anti-depressants.
We should do it more, we have far too many Scottish, Welsh and English national songs and not enough British national songs bar GSTQ which is more about the monarch than the nation and Rule Britannia which was more suitable for the age of Empire
When @Dura_Ace and I have the same instinctive view of things selling this is going to make Sisyphus's labours look like a gentle workout.
It does not need to be sold, the Tories have a majority of 80 and if they want to do it it will be done
Not by me.
If it becomes the law it will be required of every schoolchild across the UK
Even in the US, that is not true. You are an instinctive (and Pooterish) authoritarian.
I can't see @HYUFD advocating this without the associated beatings, to improve morale.
BBC North West Today news just on now explained how the local lockdown cock-up came to light - a pub landlord in Bolton stumbled across the new guidance yesterday, emailed BBC North West who then looked into it and broke the story on their late news bulletin last night.
Increasing confusion, anger and upset now in the affected areas. Reports of hoteliers in the Lakes now getting calls from guests in Burnley, Blackburn etc saying "can we still come?, do we have to cancel?" etc and not having the faintest idea what they should be saying or doing.
How long can the Govt go on just doing nothing about this? It's staggering!
I take our kids to swimming classes in Bolton every weekend. Can they still go? Will the company that runs the classes be given some clear guidance on what they should be doing? Can they claim grants or compensation if they have to shut down again? Will the hotel with the pool which hosts the classes now have to close to anyone from outside Bolton anyway?
Unbelievable.
Honestly, just continue as before. You're not breaking any laws. It's just bullshit guidance from Gove who clearly doesn't want to let go of the power he has over everyone.
The week involves pupils dressing up in red, white and blue and singing an “anthem” called “One Britain One Dream”, which ends with the repeating lines “Strong Britain Great Nation”.
Haha. What a load of shit.
Please tell me this is satire.
This course of patriotic song is standard fare in the US, Russia, China, even France.
Of course if it was belting out Flower of Scotland 5 times a day the SNP would have no complaints
And? Civus Britannicus sum. We don't do that sort of thing.
And 5x Flower of Scotland would require some serious anti-depressants.
We should do it more, we have far too many Scottish, Welsh and English national songs and not enough British national songs bar GSTQ which is more about the monarch than the nation and Rule Britannia which was more suitable for the age of Empire
When @Dura_Ace and I have the same instinctive view of things selling this is going to make Sisyphus's labours look like a gentle workout.
It does not need to be sold, the Tories have a majority of 80 and if they want to do it it will be done
Not by me.
If it becomes the law it will be required of every schoolchild across the UK
Do you have any idea how chilling (and how un-British) that statement is?
It is an utter disgrace and especially as he has recently been elected to office
There is nothing disgraceful about pledging allegiance to your nation and if you think there is you really should think about moving to the LDs as you are miles apart from the Boris led Tory Party I am a member of
It’s just not very British.
We should leave getting over-excited about things like that to lesser nations.
We could start the day with a collective grumble about everything that has gone wrong since yesterday; that would be the British way.
Our national motto: “not too bad thanks, all things considered”. We all instantly understand that “all things” are terrible, and need to be debated at length.
This is where Danny Boyle went wrong, not realising that his job was actually to produce a ceremony that was a bit shit, to keep us stocked up with collective grumbles for the rest of that year.
Indeed. My thoughts with PBers when the weather starts to improve from tomorrow. I mean, what's Leon going to do with himself?
Anyway. It's definitely what people voted for in the referendum.
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As ever though, you miss the point. I may dislike some of what is now being done and may be done in the medium term, but we are free of the EU and a future Government can change anything it wants. Nothing is permanent and the “ratchet effect” is gone from our lives.
We were always free to do as we wanted, and usually did. Just like the 27 other sovereign countries in the EU. Yet again you are assuming that the majority in 2016 was enormous, when it was barely 3.5%.
The week involves pupils dressing up in red, white and blue and singing an “anthem” called “One Britain One Dream”, which ends with the repeating lines “Strong Britain Great Nation”.
Haha. What a load of shit.
Please tell me this is satire.
This course of patriotic song is standard fare in the US, Russia, China, even France.
Of course if it was belting out Flower of Scotland 5 times a day the SNP would have no complaints
And? Civus Britannicus sum. We don't do that sort of thing.
And 5x Flower of Scotland would require some serious anti-depressants.
We should do it more, we have far too many Scottish, Welsh and English national songs and not enough British national songs bar GSTQ which is more about the monarch than the nation and Rule Britannia which was more suitable for the age of Empire
When @Dura_Ace and I have the same instinctive view of things selling this is going to make Sisyphus's labours look like a gentle workout.
It does not need to be sold, the Tories have a majority of 80 and if they want to do it it will be done
Not by me.
If it becomes the law it will be required of every schoolchild across the UK
Even in the US, that is not true. You are an instinctive (and Pooterish) authoritarian.
I can't see @HYUFD advocating this without the associated beatings, to improve morale.
Just imagine if Blair or Brown had introduced this bullshit.
BBC North West Today news just on now explained how the local lockdown cock-up came to light - a pub landlord in Bolton stumbled across the new guidance yesterday, emailed BBC North West who then looked into it and broke the story on their late news bulletin last night.
Increasing confusion, anger and upset now in the affected areas. Reports of hoteliers in the Lakes now getting calls from guests in Burnley, Blackburn etc saying "can we still come?, do we have to cancel?" etc and not having the faintest idea what they should be saying or doing.
How long can the Govt go on just doing nothing about this? It's staggering!
An acquaintance has gone to see her parents in East Anglia for the first time in over a year. Now she has no idea whether she should be returning to Hounslow or not. All most bizarre.
It makes South West Railways' job a tad more difficult as their passengers might be criminalised in the course of getting from London to Weybridge.
BBC North West Today news just on now explained how the local lockdown cock-up came to light - a pub landlord in Bolton stumbled across the new guidance yesterday, emailed BBC North West who then looked into it and broke the story on their late news bulletin last night.
Increasing confusion, anger and upset now in the affected areas. Reports of hoteliers in the Lakes now getting calls from guests in Burnley, Blackburn etc saying "can we still come?, do we have to cancel?" etc and not having the faintest idea what they should be saying or doing.
How long can the Govt go on just doing nothing about this? It's staggering!
I take our kids to swimming classes in Bolton every weekend. Can they still go? Will the company that runs the classes be given some clear guidance on what they should be doing? Can they claim grants or compensation if they have to shut down again? Will the hotel with the pool which hosts the classes now have to close to anyone from outside Bolton anyway?
Unbelievable.
Honestly, just continue as before. You're not breaking any laws. It's just bullshit guidance from Gove who clearly doesn't want to let go of the power he has over everyone.
I'm still rolling my eyes at the plan for double jabbed people having to self isolate for ten days after June 21st.
The week involves pupils dressing up in red, white and blue and singing an “anthem” called “One Britain One Dream”, which ends with the repeating lines “Strong Britain Great Nation”.
Haha. What a load of shit.
Please tell me this is satire.
This course of patriotic song is standard fare in the US, Russia, China, even France.
Of course if it was belting out Flower of Scotland 5 times a day the SNP would have no complaints
And? Civus Britannicus sum. We don't do that sort of thing.
And 5x Flower of Scotland would require some serious anti-depressants.
We should do it more, we have far too many Scottish, Welsh and English national songs and not enough British national songs bar GSTQ which is more about the monarch than the nation and Rule Britannia which was more suitable for the age of Empire
When @Dura_Ace and I have the same instinctive view of things selling this is going to make Sisyphus's labours look like a gentle workout.
It does not need to be sold, the Tories have a majority of 80 and if they want to do it it will be done
Not by me.
If it becomes the law it will be required of every schoolchild across the UK
Do you have any idea how chilling (and how un-British) that statement is?
It is an utter disgrace and especially as he has recently been elected to office
There is nothing disgraceful about pledging allegiance to your nation and if you think there is you really should think about moving to the LDs as you are miles apart from the Boris led Tory Party I am a member of
It’s just not very British.
We should leave getting over-excited about things like that to lesser nations.
We could start the day with a collective grumble about everything that has gone wrong since yesterday; that would be the British way.
I wonder if HYUFD has considered moving to Belarus?
No, too many wishy-washy liberals and an active opposition.
The week involves pupils dressing up in red, white and blue and singing an “anthem” called “One Britain One Dream”, which ends with the repeating lines “Strong Britain Great Nation”.
Haha. What a load of shit.
Please tell me this is satire.
This course of patriotic song is standard fare in the US, Russia, China, even France.
Of course if it was belting out Flower of Scotland 5 times a day the SNP would have no complaints
No, not the US, unless you’re conflating reciting the Pledge of Allegiance which is done at the start of the school day pretty much everywhere, with singing patriotic songs. In fact here it’s pretty unusual to sing the national anthem (as opposed to standing while someone sings it), probably because it’s so difficult for people who aren’t trained singers to sing.
That is precisely the point, it is an anthem to celebrate the whole United States, not individual states of it, sung regularly and reinforced by a Pledge of Allegiance to the nation said by each child at the start of each school day.
A Pledge of Allegiance said to the UK and its monarch by every child from Shetland to the Isle of Wight would be a good idea too
🤮🤮🤮
What happens if one is a republican? A Quaker? An independentist? An English Nationalist?
Tough, move
So you would deport Quakers, for instance? That is, erm, a 'brave' sentiment.
We should all reflect on the fact that HYUFD is a little as four votes* from being our PM Or one coup d'etat
* 1: CCA PPP selection; 2: General election; 3: MPs' vote in leadership contest; 4: Membership vote in leadership contest
BBC North West Today news just on now explained how the local lockdown cock-up came to light - a pub landlord in Bolton stumbled across the new guidance yesterday, emailed BBC North West who then looked into it and broke the story on their late news bulletin last night.
Increasing confusion, anger and upset now in the affected areas. Reports of hoteliers in the Lakes now getting calls from guests in Burnley, Blackburn etc saying "can we still come?, do we have to cancel?" etc and not having the faintest idea what they should be saying or doing.
How long can the Govt go on just doing nothing about this? It's staggering!
I take our kids to swimming classes in Bolton every weekend. Can they still go? Will the company that runs the classes be given some clear guidance on what they should be doing? Can they claim grants or compensation if they have to shut down again? Will the hotel with the pool which hosts the classes now have to close to anyone from outside Bolton anyway?
Unbelievable.
Honestly, just continue as before. You're not breaking any laws. It's just bullshit guidance from Gove who clearly doesn't want to let go of the power he has over everyone.
I'm still rolling my eyes at the plan for double jabbed having to self isolate for ten days after June 21st.
Me too, and I probably won't get my second dose until the first week of July. Tbh, I think the whole idea of isolation can be junked as soon as all 32m in groups 1-9 have been offered both doses. The reason we want to limit the spread of the virus is to prevent people from going to hospital, if everyone in groups 1-9 have been fully immunised where are the hospitalisations going to come from?
Gove is such a massive snake. He should be sacked over this new attempt to extend lockdown without telling people affected by it or informing Parliament in advance.
Can Scotland take him back, please?
He's even less popular there than Mr Johnson. So, sorry, no.
The week involves pupils dressing up in red, white and blue and singing an “anthem” called “One Britain One Dream”, which ends with the repeating lines “Strong Britain Great Nation”.
Haha. What a load of shit.
I never thought our descent into fascism would be so cringe-worthy.
I agree. I don't see the problem with Land of Hope and Glory.
"Wider Still and Wider shall thy bounds be set ..." isn't very woke in this age of anti-colonialism.
I don't care, but others probably would.
Who knows the words to Land of Hope and Glory? It's a decent enough tune but I have no idea what it's lyrics are beyond the title. Jerusalem and the Welsh song are the only decent national anthem contenders really, the others are all crap although Rule Britannia is the only one I actively hate.
I know the words.
Something something nah nah nah nah nah Laaaand of Hoe-ope and glorrrrree.
The week involves pupils dressing up in red, white and blue and singing an “anthem” called “One Britain One Dream”, which ends with the repeating lines “Strong Britain Great Nation”.
Haha. What a load of shit.
Please tell me this is satire.
This course of patriotic song is standard fare in the US, Russia, China, even France.
Of course if it was belting out Flower of Scotland 5 times a day the SNP would have no complaints
And? Civus Britannicus sum. We don't do that sort of thing.
And 5x Flower of Scotland would require some serious anti-depressants.
We should do it more, we have far too many Scottish, Welsh and English national songs and not enough British national songs bar GSTQ which is more about the monarch than the nation and Rule Britannia which was more suitable for the age of Empire
When @Dura_Ace and I have the same instinctive view of things selling this is going to make Sisyphus's labours look like a gentle workout.
It does not need to be sold, the Tories have a majority of 80 and if they want to do it it will be done
Not by me.
If it becomes the law it will be required of every schoolchild across the UK
Even in the US, that is not true. You are an instinctive (and Pooterish) authoritarian.
I can't see @HYUFD advocating this without the associated beatings, to improve morale.
Just imagine if Blair or Brown had introduced this bullshit.
British pledges of allegiance for British Schoolchildren.
The week involves pupils dressing up in red, white and blue and singing an “anthem” called “One Britain One Dream”, which ends with the repeating lines “Strong Britain Great Nation”.
Haha. What a load of shit.
I never thought our descent into fascism would be so cringe-worthy.
I agree. I don't see the problem with Land of Hope and Glory.
"Wider Still and Wider shall thy bounds be set ..." isn't very woke in this age of anti-colonialism.
I don't care, but others probably would.
Who knows the words to Land of Hope and Glory? It's a decent enough tune but I have no idea what it's lyrics are beyond the title. Jerusalem and the Welsh song are the only decent national anthem contenders really, the others are all crap although Rule Britannia is the only one I actively hate.
Too bad as it's the one I like the most, especially its tune and its anti-slavery message.
The week involves pupils dressing up in red, white and blue and singing an “anthem” called “One Britain One Dream”, which ends with the repeating lines “Strong Britain Great Nation”.
Haha. What a load of shit.
Please tell me this is satire.
This course of patriotic song is standard fare in the US, Russia, China, even France.
Of course if it was belting out Flower of Scotland 5 times a day the SNP would have no complaints
No, not the US, unless you’re conflating reciting the Pledge of Allegiance which is done at the start of the school day pretty much everywhere, with singing patriotic songs. In fact here it’s pretty unusual to sing the national anthem (as opposed to standing while someone sings it), probably because it’s so difficult for people who aren’t trained singers to sing.
That is precisely the point, it is an anthem to celebrate the whole United States, not individual states of it, sung regularly and reinforced by a Pledge of Allegiance to the nation said by each child at the start of each school day.
A Pledge of Allegiance said to the UK and its monarch by every child from Shetland to the Isle of Wight would be a good idea too
🤮🤮🤮
What happens if one is a republican? A Quaker? An independentist? An English Nationalist?
Tough, move
So you would deport Quakers, for instance? That is, erm, a 'brave' sentiment.
We should all reflect on the fact that HYUFD is a little as four votes* from being our PM Or one coup d'etat
* 1: CCA PPP selection; 2: General election; 3: MPs' vote in leadership contest; 4: Membership vote in leadership contest
The week involves pupils dressing up in red, white and blue and singing an “anthem” called “One Britain One Dream”, which ends with the repeating lines “Strong Britain Great Nation”.
Haha. What a load of shit.
Please tell me this is satire.
This course of patriotic song is standard fare in the US, Russia, China, even France.
Of course if it was belting out Flower of Scotland 5 times a day the SNP would have no complaints
And? Civus Britannicus sum. We don't do that sort of thing.
And 5x Flower of Scotland would require some serious anti-depressants.
We should do it more, we have far too many Scottish, Welsh and English national songs and not enough British national songs bar GSTQ which is more about the monarch than the nation and Rule Britannia which was more suitable for the age of Empire
When @Dura_Ace and I have the same instinctive view of things selling this is going to make Sisyphus's labours look like a gentle workout.
It does not need to be sold, the Tories have a majority of 80 and if they want to do it it will be done
Not by me.
If it becomes the law it will be required of every schoolchild across the UK
Even in the US, that is not true. You are an instinctive (and Pooterish) authoritarian.
I can't see @HYUFD advocating this without the associated beatings, to improve morale.
Just imagine if Blair or Brown had introduced this bullshit.
One of them did run a consultation on mottos - which got the response it deserved:
The week involves pupils dressing up in red, white and blue and singing an “anthem” called “One Britain One Dream”, which ends with the repeating lines “Strong Britain Great Nation”.
Haha. What a load of shit.
Please tell me this is satire.
This course of patriotic song is standard fare in the US, Russia, China, even France.
Of course if it was belting out Flower of Scotland 5 times a day the SNP would have no complaints
No, not the US, unless you’re conflating reciting the Pledge of Allegiance which is done at the start of the school day pretty much everywhere, with singing patriotic songs. In fact here it’s pretty unusual to sing the national anthem (as opposed to standing while someone sings it), probably because it’s so difficult for people who aren’t trained singers to sing.
That is precisely the point, it is an anthem to celebrate the whole United States, not individual states of it, sung regularly and reinforced by a Pledge of Allegiance to the nation said by each child at the start of each school day.
A Pledge of Allegiance said to the UK and its monarch by every child from Shetland to the Isle of Wight would be a good idea too
🤮🤮🤮
What happens if one is a republican? A Quaker? An independentist? An English Nationalist?
Tough, move
So you would deport Quakers, for instance? That is, erm, a 'brave' sentiment.
We should all reflect on the fact that HYUFD is a little as four votes* from being our PM Or one coup d'etat
* 1: CCA PPP selection; 2: General election; 3: MPs' vote in leadership contest; 4: Membership vote in leadership contest
The week involves pupils dressing up in red, white and blue and singing an “anthem” called “One Britain One Dream”, which ends with the repeating lines “Strong Britain Great Nation”.
Haha. What a load of shit.
I never thought our descent into fascism would be so cringe-worthy.
I agree. I don't see the problem with Land of Hope and Glory.
"Wider Still and Wider shall thy bounds be set ..." isn't very woke in this age of anti-colonialism.
I don't care, but others probably would.
I'm sure that could be spun as being "metaphorical" or something. Although it is amusing that those who had such a stick up their posteriors about the EU's "ever closer union" tended to fall into the same set as those that know the words to LoHaG.
The week involves pupils dressing up in red, white and blue and singing an “anthem” called “One Britain One Dream”, which ends with the repeating lines “Strong Britain Great Nation”.
Haha. What a load of shit.
Please tell me this is satire.
This course of patriotic song is standard fare in the US, Russia, China, even France.
Of course if it was belting out Flower of Scotland 5 times a day the SNP would have no complaints
And? Civus Britannicus sum. We don't do that sort of thing.
And 5x Flower of Scotland would require some serious anti-depressants.
We should do it more, we have far too many Scottish, Welsh and English national songs and not enough British national songs bar GSTQ which is more about the monarch than the nation and Rule Britannia which was more suitable for the age of Empire
When @Dura_Ace and I have the same instinctive view of things selling this is going to make Sisyphus's labours look like a gentle workout.
It does not need to be sold, the Tories have a majority of 80 and if they want to do it it will be done
Not by me.
If it becomes the law it will be required of every schoolchild across the UK
Do you have any idea how chilling (and how un-British) that statement is?
It is an utter disgrace and especially as he has recently been elected to office
There is nothing disgraceful about pledging allegiance to your nation and if you think there is you really should think about moving to the LDs as you are miles apart from the Boris led Tory Party I am a member of
I think it's children benig forced to pledge allegiance that people find chilling, rather than pledging allegiance, which all are free to do at any time.
Unless it is compulsory there is little point to it, it has to be universal to be effective and entrench loyalty to the nation from an early stage
I think you’ve pushed the facist Tory parody a bit too far this time. Roll it back or people will realise you’re not for real.
There is nothing fascist here, it is something most of the Red Wall Tory vote would be behind
I can assure you the average worker in the street whether north , south , east or west will mock this with the scorn and ridicule it deserves. Take your facism and shove it quite frankly. The state belongs to us not us to the state.
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I'd quite like the 10% of the population who appear to hate the UK and everything about it to adopt a bit more perspective. But I don't think this can be achieved by getting them to sing or their children to recite a pledge each day. Because, look at America.
https://www.flightradar24.com/FORTE10/27d18d60
Anyway. It's definitely what people voted for in the referendum.
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His journey appears to have been from Fascism through Conservatism to Sado-masochism and New Labour.
We should leave getting over-excited about things like that to lesser nations.
We could start the day with a collective grumble about everything that has gone wrong since yesterday; that would be the British way.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JxL20xSV0Qs
This is playing catastrophically badly up here - you can just feel all those Red Wall Tory votes just evaporating en masse as every second ticks by without this latest omnishambles being sorted.
I always sit down when the National Anthem is played.
The 'and ...' gets subsumed into the primary name. Doesn't mean that Welsh players wearing a shirt that has "ENGLAND" printed on it are playing for a different home nation.
Mandatory flag-flying, compulsory saluting the flag, that's different. That's not British, for the reasons you give.
However, Andrew Rosindell is my MP. And whilst I find his shtick absurd and sometimes menacing, only a fool could deny that it's electorally successful. Those voters are a key part of the governing party's coalition. Without those voters, no fortysomething percent in the polls now, no fifty-two percent in 2016.
Bamford unlucky.
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I believe in the rule of law, not the rule of “guidance” and delegated legislation.
The trouble is, at least for me, the time of liberal conservatism has seems to have passed. Labour has nothing to offer and the Liberal Democrat’s are not terribly liberal (unless liberal now means milk and water socialism).
https://twitter.com/olliecarroll/status/1397141412374777856
Nexta publishes part of alleged air traffic conversation on Ryanair. Seems to suggest that pilot was tricked by Belarusian air traffic control, who claimed bomb would be activated over Vilnius.
I suspect if I used the word I wanted to use to describe you, I’d likely be banned. Suffice to say it’s the least pleasant one I can think of, and one I rarely use.
The government did a very good job on the vaccines programme, which has been almost perfect. For the last three months it's been squandering these gains by unlocking a month to two months behind where it could have done.
If Starmer wasn't a complete moron he would have been making hay with this. Unfortunately he appears to be too stupid to capitalise on what's probably the most serious mistake the government made through virtually the whole thing.
Who runs the Cabinet Office?
Michael Gove....
I guess you have to take people's word for it when they say they've rejected stuff like, but just imagine the screeching if Max M. had come out in support of Corbyn (unlikely I know)!
I seem to recall Mosley being quoted as saying some disobliging things about Jackie Stewart and his dyslexia which if I'd had a previous involvement in politics based around an Aryan uber race I'd probably have avoided.
Pound/dollar exchange rate 16 June 2016 (one week before referendum): $1.42
What a drop!
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lzkbouKG830
Direct threats against airbourne civilian airliners are acts of war.
https://twitter.com/jillongovt/status/1397166124228304897?s=20
So:
i) The policy won't work and
ii) The government will get a lot of stick for it
What can Michael Gove have been thinking?
I don't care, but others probably would.
https://twitter.com/Islington4JC/status/1396807140044640258?s=19
Thanks.
I foresee a bit more of that, depending on what the rules/regulations/laws/guidance turns out to be.
Checking Wiki Diana was his mother with one other 'full' brother. One of his half brothers, Nicholas, is/was a decent writer though I haven't read anything of his for an age. Wrote some excoriating stuff about his dad.
Increasing confusion, anger and upset now in the affected areas. Reports of hoteliers in the Lakes now getting calls from guests in Burnley, Blackburn etc saying "can we still come?, do we have to cancel?" etc and not having the faintest idea what they should be saying or doing.
How long can the Govt go on just doing nothing about this? It's staggering!
I take our kids to swimming classes in Bolton every weekend. Can they still go? Will the company that runs the classes be given some clear guidance on what they should be doing? Can they claim grants or compensation if they have to shut down again? Will the hotel with the pool which hosts the classes now have to close to anyone from outside Bolton anyway?
Unbelievable.
You are an instinctive (and Pooterish) authoritarian.
Edited extra bit: Labour 2.5 on Betfair for those who think this'll affect the by-election.
Can Scotland take him back, please?
It was all a mistake - not going to happen
Actually we're going to broaden the advice to incorporate more places/everywhere - might happen
You should have been looking on Page XXX/123/nnn of this or that document - most likely.
Now she has no idea whether she should be returning to Hounslow or not. All most bizarre.
North Korea would suit him better.
Or one coup d'etat
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Something something nah nah nah nah nah Laaaand of Hoe-ope and glorrrrree.
They very nearly did.
"No mottos please, we're British"
and my favourite:
"Dipso, Fatso, Asbo, Tesco"
https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/johnson-utter-shambles-covid-hotspots-travel-curbs_uk_60acf0bee4b019ef10df31be?ev