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IanB2 said:

RochdalePioneers said:

Alistair said:

HYUFD said:

CarlottaVance said:

I'm sure Nicola's thrilled:

The Nationalists only got 49% combined on the constituency vote which Alba ignored there.

Once you take account of the fact that the Greens got 34,990 votes on the constituency vote and most Scottish Green constituency voters oppose independence now as the below links shows, then even on total vote figures there was no pro independence majority

https://archive.ph/eg2lt

Oh, so you are just going to ignore pro indy Labour and LibDem voters then?

Such great analysis. Insightful.

He's ignoring the ACTUAL VOTES CAST and making it up.

Because he's a petulant pillock.

Because he always works backwards from the answer he first thought of.

He posts some interesting stuff from opinion polls. He is entitled to his strong views about a 2nd referendum. He is entertaining when he says "we Tories" as he contradicts the leader of the Scottish Tories on what "we Tories" think about Scotland.

Then he does this. He doesn't want a referendum. Cannot accept the result of Thursday's election. So just makes it up. The result apparently isn't the result. An opinion poll is a more reliable indicator than the Scottish General Election we have just had - not that he even credits the actual results of that.

So I'm afraid I don't have anything left but mockery.

MaxPB said:

Also on topic. Absolutely not. The 10pm start of vote counting is one of the best features of our general election. It can be really thrilling, such as 2015 and 2019 in recent history. 2010 was good as well becuase it was finally and end to Labour.

So elections should be organised for the benefit of spectators rather than active participants?

HYUFD said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

HYUFD said:

CarlottaVance said:

I'm sure Nicola's thrilled:

The Nationalists only got 49% combined on the constituency vote which Alba ignored there.

Once you take account of the fact that the Greens got 34,990 votes on the constituency vote and most Scottish Green constituency voters oppose independence now as the below links shows, then even on total vote figures there was no pro independence majority

https://archive.ph/eg2lt

Then why are you Tory Boys so scared of another referendum?

2014 was once in a generation

Why haven't you mentioned that before? If you had, I'm sure everybody on here would have been persuaded.

IanB2 said:

MaxPB said:

Also on topic. Absolutely not. The 10pm start of vote counting is one of the best features of our general election. It can be really thrilling, such as 2015 and 2019 in recent history. 2010 was good as well becuase it was finally and end to Labour.

So elections should be organised for the benefit of spectators rather than active participants?

Why not both?

nico679 said:

The EU have a difficult balancing act if and when another Scottish Indy ref campaign begins . They can’t be see to be promoting the break up of the UK , on the other hand they don’t want to be seen to be putting obstacles in the way of Scotland re-joining .

There’s a lot of enthusiasm amongst MEPs for welcoming Scotland . I’ve no doubt that if the SNP win another referendum Scotland will be fast tracked.

If they win another referendum? I must have missed the first one.

CorrectHorseBattery said:

I'm a bit bemused how a fight with the lefties of Burgon and co could be perceived as anything but a net positive for Starmer, the quicker they're all sidelined the quicker the public will see Labour has changed.

What am I missing

Rayner, Nandy and Burnham are not ‘left.’ The entirety of the PLP last night were reported to be gobsmacked by Starmer’s decision to sack Rayner. The PLP are nowhere near ‘the left’, which is why there so much tension between the PLP and Corbyn when he was leader.

Starmer in the long term didn’t even benefit from going up against the Corbynite left last year. He will definitely not win a battle when most his own party, even most liberal/centre left journalists, combined with the right wing press are not backing him.

RobD said:

nico679 said:

The EU have a difficult balancing act if and when another Scottish Indy ref campaign begins . They can’t be see to be promoting the break up of the UK , on the other hand they don’t want to be seen to be putting obstacles in the way of Scotland re-joining .

There’s a lot of enthusiasm amongst MEPs for welcoming Scotland . I’ve no doubt that if the SNP win another referendum Scotland will be fast tracked.

If they win another referendum? I must have missed the first one.

Don’t be silly you know what I mean ! By the way Happy Europe Day !

The number of people who've had both doses of a Covid-19 vaccine in the United Kingdom as of yesterday is

*17,669,379*

(up 438,837 on the day before, 7-day average 334,252)
That is 26.5% of the total population

https://twitter.com/HugoGye/status/1391409353719177222?s=20

Tories in trouble in rural Oxfordshire, Surrey, Sussex, Cambridgeshire, Kent. Isn't the real story of this election the collapse of the old Blue Wall?
https://twitter.com/StephenMossGdn/status/1391383763050016770

Razedabode said:

CarlottaVance said:

Notice the laugh as Sturgeon mutters “fiscal transfer” to herself before launching into an answer so vacuous that it immediately collapses.

First: “the fiscal transfer doesn’t exist”

And then: “even if it does exist, why should we want it”

https://twitter.com/staylorish/status/1391400406480302082?s=20

It is definitely one of the SNPs weaker arguments. Though they do seem to being doing a Malc and denying any deficit would exist between tax intake and spending per head. Just blame Westminster

Probably why in the end better for them to give it a go by themselves

Niall Fergusson, who hasn't lived in Scotland for years on one podcast remarked that perhaps the best solution was for the Scots to try independence, observing that before the Union Scotland was basically "the Afghanistan of Europe".

Perhaps Nicola would like full fiscal autonomy to demonstrate what a superior job she could do?

RobD said:

Scott_xP said:

Tories in trouble in rural Oxfordshire, Surrey, Sussex, Cambridgeshire, Kent. Isn't the real story of this election the collapse of the old Blue Wall?
https://twitter.com/StephenMossGdn/status/1391383763050016770

QTWTAIN.

Clutching at straws.

The_Apocalypse said:

CorrectHorseBattery said:

I'm a bit bemused how a fight with the lefties of Burgon and co could be perceived as anything but a net positive for Starmer, the quicker they're all sidelined the quicker the public will see Labour has changed.

What am I missing

Rayner, Nandy and Burnham are not ‘left.’ The entirety of the PLP last night were reported to be gobsmacked by Starmer’s decision to sack Rayner. The PLP are nowhere near ‘the left’, which is why there so much tension between the PLP and Corbyn when he was leader.

Starmer in the long term didn’t even benefit from going up against the Corbynite left last year. He will definitely not win a battle when most his own party, even most liberal/centre left journalists, combined with the right wing press are not backing him.

I have no idea why Rayner is even mentioned. What is so special about her ?

Scott_xP said:

Tories in trouble in rural Oxfordshire, Surrey, Sussex, Cambridgeshire, Kent. Isn't the real story of this election the collapse of the old Blue Wall?
https://twitter.com/StephenMossGdn/status/1391383763050016770

An emphatic no from former Labour activist and BBC journalist Lewis Goodall.

Doesn’t mean it won’t come but it’s not there at the moment.

Oxfordshire is no surprise and, from what I’ve read, is largely local,issues not national. Same as Durham. Team Starmer are not to blame here.

squareroot2 said:

The_Apocalypse said:

CorrectHorseBattery said:

I'm a bit bemused how a fight with the lefties of Burgon and co could be perceived as anything but a net positive for Starmer, the quicker they're all sidelined the quicker the public will see Labour has changed.

What am I missing

Rayner, Nandy and Burnham are not ‘left.’ The entirety of the PLP last night were reported to be gobsmacked by Starmer’s decision to sack Rayner. The PLP are nowhere near ‘the left’, which is why there so much tension between the PLP and Corbyn when he was leader.

Starmer in the long term didn’t even benefit from going up against the Corbynite left last year. He will definitely not win a battle when most his own party, even most liberal/centre left journalists, combined with the right wing press are not backing him.

I have no idea why Rayner is even mentioned. What is so special about her ?

She's the Deputy Leader of the Labour Party...

Foxy said:

Fenman said:

HYUFD said:

another_richard said:

MarqueeMark said:

LibDems showing +1 seats.

Greens +81.

The Greens are making gains in the sort of places the LibDems would have done prior to 2010.

The one remaining area of LibDem strength is among posh remainers.

Hence LD gains in the posher parts of Oxfordshire in the county council elections this afternoon

Like Liverpool and Hull.?

And Sunderland

Lib Dem team gained in Sunderland due to good old fashioned local campaigning.

Pagan2 said:

Gallowgate said:

IanB2 said:

MaxPB said:

Also on topic. Absolutely not. The 10pm start of vote counting is one of the best features of our general election. It can be really thrilling, such as 2015 and 2019 in recent history. 2010 was good as well becuase it was finally and end to Labour.

So elections should be organised for the benefit of spectators rather than active participants?

Well yes, because democracy needs to take into account PR too. The more interested people are in the spectacle, the more likely they are to take part.

Elections are basically job interviews....job interviews are arranged as the employer want them not as the candidate wants them. The electorate is the employer here

Most job interviews, you’re allowed to go home and wait for the email, phone call or letter in the post. I am not aware of any companies that require interviewees to sleep in the lobby while the employer sorts out its decision?

Sunil_Prasannan said:

IanB2 said:

MaxPB said:

Also on topic. Absolutely not. The 10pm start of vote counting is one of the best features of our general election. It can be really thrilling, such as 2015 and 2019 in recent history. 2010 was good as well becuase it was finally and end to Labour.

So elections should be organised for the benefit of spectators rather than active participants?

"ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED? ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED? IS THIS NOT WHY YOU ARE HERE?"

On Sunday afternoon.

Taz said:

Foxy said:

Fenman said:

HYUFD said:

another_richard said:

MarqueeMark said:

LibDems showing +1 seats.

Greens +81.

The Greens are making gains in the sort of places the LibDems would have done prior to 2010.

The one remaining area of LibDem strength is among posh remainers.

Hence LD gains in the posher parts of Oxfordshire in the county council elections this afternoon

Like Liverpool and Hull.?

And Sunderland

Lib Dem team gained in Sunderland due to good old fashioned local campaigning.

That's as maybe. Not prosperous Remania nevertheless.

MarqueeMark said:

Scott_xP said:

Tories in trouble in rural Oxfordshire, Surrey, Sussex, Cambridgeshire, Kent. Isn't the real story of this election the collapse of the old Blue Wall?
https://twitter.com/StephenMossGdn/status/1391383763050016770

The old Blue Wall has had rather more of a normal mid-term set of results. Still very, very good considering they were coming off exceptionally good results from Theresa May's 2017 effort, where the Conservatives gained 563 seats. There really was only one way to go from there. Yet the LibDems haven't advanced at all, with Greens and Independents carrying off the prizes. Labour has continued its woeful efforts - considering it was down 382 councillors in 2017 as well.

But net since 2016/2017, a mid term Government has still added over 200 more seats. So no, it isn't exactly a Boris-led disaster, is it now? Much as you might wish it to be.

I don't think Scott is calling it a Boris-led disaster. He's merely pointing out a subtext that may be important in the coming years. You're attacking an argument you are pretending he's made, rather than one he's actually made.

IanB2 said:

Pagan2 said:

Gallowgate said:

IanB2 said:

MaxPB said:

Also on topic. Absolutely not. The 10pm start of vote counting is one of the best features of our general election. It can be really thrilling, such as 2015 and 2019 in recent history. 2010 was good as well becuase it was finally and end to Labour.

So elections should be organised for the benefit of spectators rather than active participants?

Well yes, because democracy needs to take into account PR too. The more interested people are in the spectacle, the more likely they are to take part.

Elections are basically job interviews....job interviews are arranged as the employer want them not as the candidate wants them. The electorate is the employer here

Most job interviews, you’re allowed to go home and wait for the email, phone call or letter in the post. I am not aware of any companies that require interviewees to sleep in the lobby while the employer sorts out its decision?

It is custom at medical interviews to ask the candidates to wait, and to call in the successful candidate after the panel is decided, and they get the job offer there and then, subject to references and occupational health clearance.

Scott_xP said:

Tories in trouble in rural Oxfordshire, Surrey, Sussex, Cambridgeshire, Kent. Isn't the real story of this election the collapse of the old Blue Wall?
https://twitter.com/StephenMossGdn/status/1391383763050016770

The replies to that Tweet tell you just how f***** Labour are. Totally deluded.

@Morris_Dancer

Thanks for the tip this morning MD. Nice pick up.

The power of PB.com strikes again.

IanB2 said:

Pagan2 said:

Gallowgate said:

IanB2 said:

MaxPB said:

Also on topic. Absolutely not. The 10pm start of vote counting is one of the best features of our general election. It can be really thrilling, such as 2015 and 2019 in recent history. 2010 was good as well becuase it was finally and end to Labour.

So elections should be organised for the benefit of spectators rather than active participants?

Well yes, because democracy needs to take into account PR too. The more interested people are in the spectacle, the more likely they are to take part.

Elections are basically job interviews....job interviews are arranged as the employer want them not as the candidate wants them. The electorate is the employer here

Most job interviews, you’re allowed to go home and wait for the email, phone call or letter in the post. I am not aware of any companies that require interviewees to sleep in the lobby while the employer sorts out its decision?

Do you want the job or not?

Asked this yesterday, not sure anyone knows the answer -

How many PBers on here are elected officials somewhere? Esp. whom were elected at Thursday's election?

Yours truly is an elected official of the great State of WA, having been elected by my grateful, admiring neighbors (or was it the other way around) to the exalted post of Precinct Committee Officer (PCO) of the Democratic Party.

Put THAT in yer pipe and smoke it, JohnO!

As a matter of fact, the voters were spared the necessity of actually having to vote for me (or the indignity of seeing my name on their personal ballot) because, under WA state law, candidates for PCO of either major party who are unopposed are automatically elected.

OK, besides my own good (?) self, we've got JohnO, HYUFD and IanB2 on the list to be PB Privy Councillors.

Along I think with Nick P xMP in line with standard, ancient practices for HM's PC. Any other former elected out there?

Believe Rochdale qualifies on that score. Indeed, he posted yesterday that he's been requested by a political opponent to depart his (former) jurisdiction and NOT return. Twas England's loss and Scotland's gain! Or was it visa versa?

Regardless of crime of creed, congratulation to ALL our PB electeds!

Razedabode said:

nico679 said:

The EU have a difficult balancing act if and when another Scottish Indy ref campaign begins . They can’t be see to be promoting the break up of the UK , on the other hand they don’t want to be seen to be putting obstacles in the way of Scotland re-joining .

There’s a lot of enthusiasm amongst MEPs for welcoming Scotland . I’ve no doubt that if the SNP win another referendum Scotland will be fast tracked.

I think that’s optimistic ultimately. We’ve seen how rigid the EU are with rules, and they’d have the integrity of the single market to protect between the border of Scotland and England.

Lots of SNP supporters seem to be hoping - being blimey optimistic - that the EU will want a newly succeeded state, with little financial track record, back within the club. It is a huge risk - and the EU doesn’t do risk well

They took on far dodgier states in Eastern Europe. Financial risk is a secondary consideration to expanding the empire. And they'll see it as a Brexit victory.

Foss said:

Another German poll with the Greens as largest party.

Germany, Kantar poll:

GRÜNE-G/EFA: 26% (-1)
CDU/CSU-EPP: 23% (-1)
SPD-S&D: 16% (+1)
FDP-RE: 12% (+1)
AfD-ID: 10%
LINKE-LEFT: 7%

+/- vs. 22-28 April 2021

Fieldwork: 29 April - 5 May 2021
Sample size: 1,910

➤ https://t.co/bbexiPyox9 pic.twitter.com/YJJfvarISb

— Europe Elects (@EuropeElects) May 9, 2021

The combined AfD and Linke vote of 17% would be down 5 points on 2017, which obviously helps in terms of coalition building.

Gallowgate said:

IanB2 said:

Pagan2 said:

Gallowgate said:

IanB2 said:

MaxPB said:

Also on topic. Absolutely not. The 10pm start of vote counting is one of the best features of our general election. It can be really thrilling, such as 2015 and 2019 in recent history. 2010 was good as well becuase it was finally and end to Labour.

So elections should be organised for the benefit of spectators rather than active participants?

Well yes, because democracy needs to take into account PR too. The more interested people are in the spectacle, the more likely they are to take part.

Elections are basically job interviews....job interviews are arranged as the employer want them not as the candidate wants them. The electorate is the employer here

Most job interviews, you’re allowed to go home and wait for the email, phone call or letter in the post. I am not aware of any companies that require interviewees to sleep in the lobby while the employer sorts out its decision?

I'd sleep in the lobby while the employer sorts out its decision for 80k a year to be honest

Me too and my first proper job they expected us to stay overnight in the area while they decided which of the 12 of us would be selected for the second interview the following day.

MarqueeMark said:

IanB2 said:

Pagan2 said:

Gallowgate said:

IanB2 said:

MaxPB said:

Also on topic. Absolutely not. The 10pm start of vote counting is one of the best features of our general election. It can be really thrilling, such as 2015 and 2019 in recent history. 2010 was good as well becuase it was finally and end to Labour.

So elections should be organised for the benefit of spectators rather than active participants?

Well yes, because democracy needs to take into account PR too. The more interested people are in the spectacle, the more likely they are to take part.

Elections are basically job interviews....job interviews are arranged as the employer want them not as the candidate wants them. The electorate is the employer here

Most job interviews, you’re allowed to go home and wait for the email, phone call or letter in the post. I am not aware of any companies that require interviewees to sleep in the lobby while the employer sorts out its decision?

Do you want the job or not?

Also the quicker everywhere counts, the quicker everyone can sleep. If Tyneside and Wearside can count within a few hours, there's no reason why everywhere else, other than the distant Scottish islands, can count in double that time, even accounting for increased travelling time.

Mr. Stocky, np.

First green tip of the season, alarmingly.

Gallowgate said:

You're attacking an argument you are pretending he's made, rather than one he's actually made.

That's never, ever happened on PB before...

tlg86 said:

Gallowgate said:

squareroot2 said:

Gallowgate said:

squareroot2 said:

The_Apocalypse said:

CorrectHorseBattery said:

I'm a bit bemused how a fight with the lefties of Burgon and co could be perceived as anything but a net positive for Starmer, the quicker they're all sidelined the quicker the public will see Labour has changed.

What am I missing

Rayner, Nandy and Burnham are not ‘left.’ The entirety of the PLP last night were reported to be gobsmacked by Starmer’s decision to sack Rayner. The PLP are nowhere near ‘the left’, which is why there so much tension between the PLP and Corbyn when he was leader.

Starmer in the long term didn’t even benefit from going up against the Corbynite left last year. He will definitely not win a battle when most his own party, even most liberal/centre left journalists, combined with the right wing press are not backing him.

I have no idea why Rayner is even mentioned. What is so special about her ?

She's the Deputy Leader of the Labour Party...

I know , I can't fathom what is so special about her. To me she is completely vacuous.

Well she's an example of British meritocracy — from teenage pregnancy on a council estate to a fairly senior position within Parliament the Labour Party.

Fixed that for you.

I know you're trying to be funny, but whether you like it or not, an elected position within the Labour Party is a senior position within the UK Parliamentary system.

CarlottaVance said:

Razedabode said:

CarlottaVance said:

Notice the laugh as Sturgeon mutters “fiscal transfer” to herself before launching into an answer so vacuous that it immediately collapses.

First: “the fiscal transfer doesn’t exist”

And then: “even if it does exist, why should we want it”

https://twitter.com/staylorish/status/1391400406480302082?s=20

It is definitely one of the SNPs weaker arguments. Though they do seem to being doing a Malc and denying any deficit would exist between tax intake and spending per head. Just blame Westminster

Probably why in the end better for them to give it a go by themselves

Niall Fergusson, who hasn't lived in Scotland for years on one podcast remarked that perhaps the best solution was for the Scots to try independence, observing that before the Union Scotland was basically "the Afghanistan of Europe".

Perhaps Nicola would like full fiscal autonomy to demonstrate what a superior job she could do?

Because England in the 1600s was all peace and tranquility. Fuck me that's so historically illiterate I'd expect it to come from Neil Oliver.

Scott_xP said:

Anabobazina said:

The Tory slump in the Home Counties is/would have been an interesting subplot, but it’s been lost really.

The Conservatives would have a reduced majority at Westminster if voting patterns in the local elections were replicated nationally, Sky News analysis suggests https://trib.al/mROHFkV

Down only 16 seats. That's not bad.

Foxy said:

Anabobazina said:

Thursday was a dreadful day for Labour but the bizarre decision to drag the count out over three days means it’s impossible to get a clear picture on Friday morning. The Tory slump in the Home Counties is/would have been an interesting subplot, but it’s been lost really.

I think we should go back to counting all polls on the night.

I think that the collapse of the Home Counties blue ring is some way off, but these results could be a straw in the wind. Taking voters for granted because they cannot go anywhere else is what got Labour into this mess.

At some point the bill is going to come in for Johnson's English Nationalist Spendthrift Party and the Home Counties wont want to pay.

Scott_xP said:

Labour’s Tracy Brabin on course to win which means *another by-election* in Batley and Spen (Labour majority: 3,525). https://twitter.com/harry_horton/status/1391408871932141574

Yep - and a Byelection that Labour currently can't win - I wonder if they could run it the same day as Chesham and Amersham

F1: post-race ramble: https://enormo-haddock.blogspot.com/2021/05/spain-post-race-analysis-2021.html

squareroot2 said:

Gallowgate said:

squareroot2 said:

Gallowgate said:

squareroot2 said:

The_Apocalypse said:

CorrectHorseBattery said:

I'm a bit bemused how a fight with the lefties of Burgon and co could be perceived as anything but a net positive for Starmer, the quicker they're all sidelined the quicker the public will see Labour has changed.

What am I missing

Rayner, Nandy and Burnham are not ‘left.’ The entirety of the PLP last night were reported to be gobsmacked by Starmer’s decision to sack Rayner. The PLP are nowhere near ‘the left’, which is why there so much tension between the PLP and Corbyn when he was leader.

Starmer in the long term didn’t even benefit from going up against the Corbynite left last year. He will definitely not win a battle when most his own party, even most liberal/centre left journalists, combined with the right wing press are not backing him.

I have no idea why Rayner is even mentioned. What is so special about her ?

She's the Deputy Leader of the Labour Party...

I know , I can't fathom what is so special about her. To me she is completely vacuous.

Well she's an example of British meritocracy — from teenage pregnancy on a council estate to a fairly senior position within Parliament.

.perhaps that is part of Labours problem. She is hopeless.

I haven't seen enough of her to really form an opinion but she must be good at SOMETHING to get where she is, even if it's just playing the Labour Party internal game.

Gallowgate said:

tlg86 said:

Gallowgate said:

squareroot2 said:

Gallowgate said:

squareroot2 said:

The_Apocalypse said:

CorrectHorseBattery said:

I'm a bit bemused how a fight with the lefties of Burgon and co could be perceived as anything but a net positive for Starmer, the quicker they're all sidelined the quicker the public will see Labour has changed.

What am I missing

Rayner, Nandy and Burnham are not ‘left.’ The entirety of the PLP last night were reported to be gobsmacked by Starmer’s decision to sack Rayner. The PLP are nowhere near ‘the left’, which is why there so much tension between the PLP and Corbyn when he was leader.

Starmer in the long term didn’t even benefit from going up against the Corbynite left last year. He will definitely not win a battle when most his own party, even most liberal/centre left journalists, combined with the right wing press are not backing him.

I have no idea why Rayner is even mentioned. What is so special about her ?

She's the Deputy Leader of the Labour Party...

I know , I can't fathom what is so special about her. To me she is completely vacuous.

Well she's an example of British meritocracy — from teenage pregnancy on a council estate to a fairly senior position within Parliament the Labour Party.

Fixed that for you.

I know you're trying to be funny, but whether you like it or not, an elected position within the Labour Party is a senior position within the UK Parliamentary system.

I think if she was LotO - which, I think, gets a salary from the tax-payer - then I'd agree with you.

I appreciate that it's splitting hairs to a certain extent, but there's a bit of me that thinks Labour's biggest problem is its MPs. The Tories aren't anything special, but they look brilliant compared with the likes of Rayner.

squareroot2 said:

The_Apocalypse said:

CorrectHorseBattery said:

I'm a bit bemused how a fight with the lefties of Burgon and co could be perceived as anything but a net positive for Starmer, the quicker they're all sidelined the quicker the public will see Labour has changed.

What am I missing

Rayner, Nandy and Burnham are not ‘left.’ The entirety of the PLP last night were reported to be gobsmacked by Starmer’s decision to sack Rayner. The PLP are nowhere near ‘the left’, which is why there so much tension between the PLP and Corbyn when he was leader.

Starmer in the long term didn’t even benefit from going up against the Corbynite left last year. He will definitely not win a battle when most his own party, even most liberal/centre left journalists, combined with the right wing press are not backing him.

I have no idea why Rayner is even mentioned. What is so special about her ?

Didn't Rayner once offer to share her train compartment with Sunil?

Though being a shy lad - and wanting to focus on counting the number of sleepers from Bootle to Bognor (or was it Bolsover?) he politely told her to keep her carriage to herself.

eek said:

Scott_xP said:

Labour’s Tracy Brabin on course to win which means *another by-election* in Batley and Spen (Labour majority: 3,525). https://twitter.com/harry_horton/status/1391408871932141574

Yep - and a Byelection that Labour currently can't win - I wonder if they could run it the same day as Chesham and Amersham

Can't Tracy Brabin duel mandate until an opportune moment? If Labour are truly serious about power, they will make changes and use the by-election as a springboard with a properly-vetted and appropriate candidate with a proper platform.

eek said:

Scott_xP said:

Labour’s Tracy Brabin on course to win which means *another by-election* in Batley and Spen (Labour majority: 3,525). https://twitter.com/harry_horton/status/1391408871932141574

Yep - and a Byelection that Labour currently can't win - I wonder if they could run it the same day as Chesham and Amersham

Hasn't Jarvis become a mayor and kept his seat?

MarqueeMark said:

Scott_xP said:

Gallowgate said:

You're attacking an argument you are pretending he's made, rather than one he's actually made.

That's never, ever happened on PB before...

Admit you weren't trying to piss on Boris' chips. I dare you....

Is THAT another great British culinary specialty? Piss & chips!

Why is yours truly NOT surprised?

Stephen Bush
@stephenkb
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Buckle up, the by-election circus is coming to Yorkshire!

rottenborough said:

Rachel Wearmouth
@REWearmouth
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35s
Labour reshuffle still expected to go ahead today. Not imminently, however.

Sources say Starmer has to decide Rayner’s role before anything else.

This is even worse.

Makes him look weak.

rottenborough said:

Hasn't Jarvis become a mayor and kept his seat?

She will also be PCC, which is the problem.

Casino_Royale said:

rottenborough said:

Rachel Wearmouth
@REWearmouth
·
35s
Labour reshuffle still expected to go ahead today. Not imminently, however.

Sources say Starmer has to decide Rayner’s role before anything else.

This is even worse.

Makes him look weak.

He needs to control the 'sources' leaking...

Anabobazina said:

Thursday was a dreadful day for Labour but the bizarre decision to drag the count out over three days means it’s impossible to get a clear picture on Friday morning. The Tory slump in the Home Counties is/would have been an interesting subplot, but it’s been lost really.

I think we should go back to counting all polls on the night.

Don't worry, the conservatives' home counties/shires slump is going to get plenty of coverage going forward.

Largely because it is going to get worse.

Why? because a horrible double whammy of taxation and inflation are heading straight for the tory heartlands.

As I said earlier, in 18 months the tories are going to be looking around Essex, Kent, Surrey, Hampshire, Buckinghamshire, Berkshire, Hertfordshire, Sussex, Dorset and all the rest and wondering where all their f8cking voters have gone.

Well may you ask, mate.

contrarian said:

Anabobazina said:

Thursday was a dreadful day for Labour but the bizarre decision to drag the count out over three days means it’s impossible to get a clear picture on Friday morning. The Tory slump in the Home Counties is/would have been an interesting subplot, but it’s been lost really.

I think we should go back to counting all polls on the night.

Don't worry, the conservatives' home counties/shires slump is going to get plenty of coverage going forward.

Largely because it is going to get worse.

Why? because a horrible double whammy of taxation and inflation are heading straight for the tory heartlands.

As I said earlier, in 18 months the tories are going to be looking around Essex, Kent, Surrey, Hampshire, Buckinghamshire, Berkshire, Hertfordshire, Sussex, Dorset and all the rest and wondering where all their f8cking voters have gone.

Well may you ask, mate.

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