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  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 36,540
    BIG election news just in. Conservative Isle of Wight Council Leader loses seat to Green
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 21,319

    Another swings and roundabouts gain for the SNP in Ayr which may prove to be very bad news for Joan McAlpine on the list.

    https://twitter.com/alexmassie/status/1390706575988363268?s=20

    My heart bleeds for her.
  • AramintaMoonbeamQCAramintaMoonbeamQC Posts: 3,390
    Pagan2 said:

    Khan now suffering from Starmers leadership. Turnout is dire.

    Struggling to beat the worst Tory Mayoral Candidate ever.

    Starmer Out

    Can't kick him out yet you need to find a safe seat for Pidcock first so she can become the new leader and messiahess
    God, that would be HILARIOUS.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 97,887
    Alistair said:

    SNP majority was as high as @8.8 today.

    Mirror image of 2016 when you get 8/1 on election day against the SNP winning a majority.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 5,721

    Carnyx said:

    Belay that, the SNP now have 3 target seats in the bag -


    Paul Brand
    @PaulBrandITV
    ·
    1m
    🚨
    STV colleagues reporting that former Westminster leader of SNP @AngusRobertson
    has taken Edinburgh Central, @RuthDavidsonMSP
    ’s former seat (she is standing down).

    If true, all eyes on Moray, Aberdeenshire West, Eastwood and Dumbarton
    The Bonnie Earl of Morray -
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9BmV23hFcI
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 43,205
    IanB2 said:

    BIG election news just in. Conservative Isle of Wight Council Leader loses seat to Green

    Is that what Cameron meant when he said ‘vote Blue, go Green?’
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 21,319

    Carnyx said:

    Belay that, the SNP now have 3 target seats in the bag -


    Paul Brand
    @PaulBrandITV
    ·
    1m
    🚨
    STV colleagues reporting that former Westminster leader of SNP @AngusRobertson
    has taken Edinburgh Central, @RuthDavidsonMSP
    ’s former seat (she is standing down).

    If true, all eyes on Moray, Aberdeenshire West, Eastwood and Dumbarton
    If the SNP take Dumbarton I would be absolutely flabbergasted.

    14 points of Tories for Bailie to squeeze. Seems like a sure thing to me.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 43,972

    I'm delighted to announce PB's JohnO has been re-elected.

    Excellent news.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 15,526

    Alistair said:

    ping said:

    Snp maj now odds on

    Price has been a roller-coaster today.
    It’s up in the air - I.e I don’t think anyone really knows.. all down to the list?
    In which case we'll have to wait till tomorrow pm, IIRC.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 43,205
    edited May 7
    Tories hammered Labour in @bigjohnowls back yard. Net gain of nine seats, including three of six in Bolsover.

    https://www.staffordshire-live.co.uk/news/local-news/elections-2021-tories-smash-labour-5387379

    (Although results in Chesterfield itself were better.)
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 13,826
    Plaid down 19% in Blaenau Gwent. They don't seem to be doing well in most places.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 5,721
    MattW said:

    Scott_xP said:

    No wonder Grant Shapps didn't read out the full list of 12 countries on the quarantine-free travel 'green list' - it includes Australia and New Zealand, which aren't letting anyone in
    https://twitter.com/JasonGroves1/status/1390701826211725315

    He did say that many weren't letting us in yet.

    EU will be very difficult given the EuCo dogma about open borders, and the level of average COVID cases there running at a level we dropped below in *early-mid February* .

    I think that Portugal is the interesting one on this list - what are they doing with their Spanish border?

    I'd say the next places will be Malta if cases fall, and Canada who are vaccinating like gangbusters.
    Think you will likely have to wait more than a wee while for the Canucks to give you a hearty Great White North welcome.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 15,526
    Alistair said:

    Carnyx said:

    Belay that, the SNP now have 3 target seats in the bag -


    Paul Brand
    @PaulBrandITV
    ·
    1m
    🚨
    STV colleagues reporting that former Westminster leader of SNP @AngusRobertson
    has taken Edinburgh Central, @RuthDavidsonMSP
    ’s former seat (she is standing down).

    If true, all eyes on Moray, Aberdeenshire West, Eastwood and Dumbarton
    If the SNP take Dumbarton I would be absolutely flabbergasted.

    14 points of Tories for Bailie to squeeze. Seems like a sure thing to me.
    I'd be very surprised too, with her support (uniquely in SLAB) for the nuke missiles and subs.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 43,972

    Khalid Mahmood has resigned from the Labour front bench saying that 'A London-based bourgeoisie, with the support of brigades of woke social media warriors, has effectively captured the party'

    Sounds like this Labour MP has a firm grasp on the culture war that you keep telling us doesn't exist...
    We've all made it up, apparently.

    It's just on Twitter.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 15,526
    algarkirk said:

    A suggestion about the meaning of the votes so far: These votes enforce two trends

    1) The move towards voting for power. Labour doing OK in Wales, SNP slightly on the up in Scotland, Tories doing better in most of England especially where they were already making progress.

    In each case the immediate holder of the purse strings and power is consolidating.

    Not only is identity politics being enforced, so is pork barrel. Eg in part Hartlepool is saying 'Me Too' about help from the centre - maybe they are looking at Darlington.

    2) The move towards opposition between forces. Urban Labour v Tories in the rest, for England. Unionist v Nat in Scotland. And an intensification of Leave v Remain. And a move towards a showdown between the big force where only one winner is possible: Sturgeon v Boris.

    Hmm, great mindfs and so on.

    https://twitter.com/PaulBrandITV/status/1390715036323225603
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 43,972
    Just had a text from a Labour party supporting friend of mine on the results. He's professional, successful, lovely guy and from Wales originally but he's very frustrated on the results saying, "Don't get me started. Gunboats and flags. Sickening."

    I responded saying we'll send a couple into Cardiff Bay next flying the skull & crossbones to cheer him up.
  • RazedabodeRazedabode Posts: 1,502
    edited May 7
    Fascinating couple of hours ahead..
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 43,972
    Andy_JS said:

    It looks like Johnson is doing well in England, Drakeford in Wales, and Sturgeon in Scotland. I'm not sure I'm a fan of this lack of rebelliousness against national leaders.

    I've rebelled like Wat Tyler.

    If anyone tries taking my meat and fish I might do an actual Wat Tyler.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 36,540
    edited May 7
    Island Tories now speculating that they may have lost control of the county.

    The count is held up because a batch of postal votes was put in the box for the wrong ward. Council is suggesting all 39 wards may need to be recounted, which to me (I am not actually there) seems an overreaction.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 5,721

    I'm delighted to announce PB's JohnO has been re-elected.

    Where?
  • stodgestodge Posts: 9,364

    I'm delighted to announce PB's JohnO has been re-elected.

    Excellent news.
    Surrey is proving interesting - 30 Conservatives and 23 non-Conservatives elected so far.

    Going into the election, the Conservatives held 61 of the 81 seats so the Conservative majority looks set to be substantially reduced.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 43,972
    Excellent news for BINFACE.

    Candidates putting a BIN ON THEIR FACE, and getting serious traction makes me proud to be British.

    Think how calmer America would be if they actually had a sense of humour?

    https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1390715467216662531?s=20
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 5,721

    Andy_JS said:

    It looks like Johnson is doing well in England, Drakeford in Wales, and Sturgeon in Scotland. I'm not sure I'm a fan of this lack of rebelliousness against national leaders.

    I've rebelled like Wat Tyler.

    If anyone tries taking my meat and fish I might do an actual Wat Tyler.
    Please do NOT linger in vicinity of Smithfield!
  • AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,630
    Blaenau Gwent

    Lab 49.1 (+9.4)
    Plaid 17.2 (-19.4)
  • MattWMattW Posts: 10,808
    edited May 7
    Carnyx said:

    MattW said:

    FPT (though I may be confused)

    MattW said:

    Carnyx said:

    Selebian said:

    That would be a surprise:

    I can’t believe I’m writing this. But Tory sources say Shaun Bailey’s campaign now believe they can win the London mayoralty.

    https://twitter.com/patrickkmaguire/status/1390687211184705541?s=20

    Whatever they're on, could I have some please?

    Unrelated good news: two-thirds of the adult population of the UK have now had their first Covid jab.
    66.6% no less

    What will the....errr... religiously interesting types make of that?
    And somewhere, the spirit of David Shepherd is lifting a foot.
    The elephant and locomotive painter?
    I think he means the Test Cricketer turned Bishop of Woolwich, Bishop of Liverpool 1975-1997 and then Labour Life Peer. Spelt Sheppard, though.

    Who was quite a politically-engaged Bishop and therefore on-topic.

    Did a lot wrt Protestant - Roman-Catholic relations in Liverpool alongside Archbishop Derek Worlock.

    Piccie:


    Thank you!
    Interesting man.

    He was an England Captain for one test, then on the MCC committee.

    Inspired by a previous Archbishop Trevor Huddleston speech, he went public with refusal to take part in an MCC tour to South Africa in 1960, which caused an explosion from Lord Bufton-Tufton (actually Lt Col RT Stanyforth).

    Then he put motions to the MCC Committee in 1968 (Basil D'Oliveira controversy time) to boycott S.Africa, seconded by Mike Brearley who was 26 and being a little bold for a whipper-snapper.

    They were defeated.

    Which is establishment stuff at around the same time as Peter Hain etc were campaigning.

    Detail here:
    http://cricmash.com/pen-sketches/david-sheppard-fair-cricket-campaigner

    He's one reason I tend to be interested in the other lives of Bishops, who often have interesting backgrounds.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 43,972
    @Dura_Ace How lethal is this going to be then? Kiwi and guava halves stuff?

    https://twitter.com/DefenceHQ/status/1390715116052701188?s=20
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 20,719
    stodge said:

    I'm delighted to announce PB's JohnO has been re-elected.

    Excellent news.
    Surrey is proving interesting - 30 Conservatives and 23 non-Conservatives elected so far.

    Going into the election, the Conservatives held 61 of the 81 seats so the Conservative majority looks set to be substantially reduced.
    Excellent news.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 5,721
    Have a friend whose brother lives in Sussex, East I think, near Crowley.

    What's the word from that neck of the wolds?
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 36,540
    edited May 7
    Edinburgh West declares:

    LIBDEM hold, 25k to SNP 15k

    54% of the vote, up 13%, SNP -1%, Con -8%
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 13,826
    Edinburgh West declaring...
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 43,972
    Sorry, Steve. Maybe cut out the gender identity and American voiceover (actually, the whole video) next time:

    https://twitter.com/addicted2newz/status/1390704207901102087?s=20
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 43,972
    stodge said:

    I'm delighted to announce PB's JohnO has been re-elected.

    Excellent news.
    Surrey is proving interesting - 30 Conservatives and 23 non-Conservatives elected so far.

    Going into the election, the Conservatives held 61 of the 81 seats so the Conservative majority looks set to be substantially reduced.
    I couldn't possibly comment.
  • AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,630
    Conservatives predict to have won Brecon and Radnorshire comfortably.
    Vale of Glamorgan still in play
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 13,826
    Massive win for the LDs in Edinburgh Western, with a 13% increase in share of vote.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 10,740
    Keir Starmer's reshuffle must be in doubt. There is a certain irony in his wanting to axe Dodds for not cutting through, given his own performance. Does Starmer have the party heft to take on the various wings of the party?
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 43,972
    IanB2 said:

    Island Tories now speculating that they may have lost control of the county.

    The count is held up because a batch of postal votes was put in the box for the wrong ward. Council is suggesting all 39 wards may need to be recounted, which to me (I am not actually there) seems an overreaction.

    Just keep those island line railway extensions coming.

    I'd vote for anyone who delivered on Newport/Ventnor.

    Anyone.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 97,887
    stodge said:

    I'm delighted to announce PB's JohnO has been re-elected.

    Excellent news.
    Surrey is proving interesting - 30 Conservatives and 23 non-Conservatives elected so far.

    Going into the election, the Conservatives held 61 of the 81 seats so the Conservative majority looks set to be substantially reduced.
    If I was Dominic Raab I'd be looking for a new seat.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 5,721

    Excellent news for BINFACE.

    Candidates putting a BIN ON THEIR FACE, and getting serious traction makes me proud to be British.

    Think how calmer America would be if they actually had a sense of humour?

    https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1390715467216662531?s=20

    You never heard our famous presidential hopefuls Will Rogers, Pat Paulsen and Kanye West?

    Great humorists all!
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 11,979
    Is it really necessary for the news programmes to interrupt interviewees mid sentence to bring live declarations? I find it both rude and disruptive to the flow of the programme. If instead they showed the declaration on a delay 30 seconds later then it would not make any difference, and no-one would even notice.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 36,540
    Kirsty to Tice: “you talk about Rome not being built in a day, but you are like the lost city of Atlantis...”
  • LeonLeon Posts: 13,055
    IanB2 said:

    Edinburgh West declares:

    LIBDEM hold, 25k to SNP 15k

    54% of the vote, up 13%, SNP -1%, Con -8%

    These results all over the place
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 43,205

    Conservatives predict to have won Brecon and Radnorshire comfortably.
    Vale of Glamorgan still in play

    For B+R the upset would be if they hadn’t won it.

    That’s the end of the Welsh Whigs/Liberals/Liberal Democrats after an unbroken tradition of 260 years.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 43,972

    Excellent news for BINFACE.

    Candidates putting a BIN ON THEIR FACE, and getting serious traction makes me proud to be British.

    Think how calmer America would be if they actually had a sense of humour?

    https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1390715467216662531?s=20

    You never heard our famous presidential hopefuls Will Rogers, Pat Paulsen and Kanye West?

    Great humorists all!
    Laughing *at* rather than with!
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 5,721
    IanB2 said:

    Kirsty to Tice: “you talk about Rome not being built in a day, but you are like the lost city of Atlantis...”

    Pompey would be better example?
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 36,540

    IanB2 said:

    Island Tories now speculating that they may have lost control of the county.

    The count is held up because a batch of postal votes was put in the box for the wrong ward. Council is suggesting all 39 wards may need to be recounted, which to me (I am not actually there) seems an overreaction.

    Just keep those island line railway extensions coming.

    I'd vote for anyone who delivered on Newport/Ventnor.

    Anyone.
    I was discussing the possible Ventnor extension just last week. We are keen to see it happen, but there are some technical issues as well as the minor issue of funding
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 41,562

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Many of which you can't get physically get to, and others won't let you in:


    Four of which are British controlled micro-territories; two of which have basically banned all travel.

    Edit to add: Israel is to open up to fully vaccinated travellers later this month
    So. It's really Portugal.

    And Singapore.

    And that's it.
    No. Singapore bans all non resident arrivals and recently stopped UK residents transit in Changi.

    Realistically Australia/NZ can't reopen until they have achieved herd immunity through vaccination - which may take a while.
    So:

    It's Portugal.

    And later this month Israel.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 15,526
    MattW said:

    Carnyx said:

    MattW said:

    FPT (though I may be confused)

    MattW said:

    Carnyx said:

    Selebian said:

    That would be a surprise:

    I can’t believe I’m writing this. But Tory sources say Shaun Bailey’s campaign now believe they can win the London mayoralty.

    https://twitter.com/patrickkmaguire/status/1390687211184705541?s=20

    Whatever they're on, could I have some please?

    Unrelated good news: two-thirds of the adult population of the UK have now had their first Covid jab.
    66.6% no less

    What will the....errr... religiously interesting types make of that?
    And somewhere, the spirit of David Shepherd is lifting a foot.
    The elephant and locomotive painter?
    I think he means the Test Cricketer turned Bishop of Woolwich, Bishop of Liverpool 1975-1997 and then Labour Life Peer. Spelt Sheppard, though.

    Who was quite a politically-engaged Bishop and therefore on-topic.

    Did a lot wrt Protestant - Roman-Catholic relations in Liverpool alongside Archbishop Derek Worlock.

    Piccie:


    Thank you!
    Interesting man.

    He was an England Captain for one test, then on the MCC committee.

    Inspired by a previous Archbishop Trevor Huddleston speech, he went public with refusal to take part in an MCC tour to South Africa in 1960, which caused an explosion from Lord Bufton-Tufton (actually Lt Col RT Stanyforth).

    Then he put motions to the MCC Committee in 1968 (Basil D'Oliveira controversy time) to boycott S.Africa, seconded by Mike Brearley who was 26 and being a little bold for a whipper-snapper.

    They were defeated.

    Which is establishment stuff at around the same time as Peter Hain etc were campaigning.

    Detail here:
    http://cricmash.com/pen-sketches/david-sheppard-fair-cricket-campaigner

    He's one reason I tend to be interested in the other lives of Bishops, who often have interesting backgrounds.
    Oh thanks, that was really interesting as you say.
  • pingping Posts: 1,415
    edited May 7

    Is it really necessary for the news programmes to interrupt interviewees mid sentence to bring live declarations? I find it both rude and disruptive to the flow of the programme. If instead they showed the declaration on a delay 30 seconds later then it would not make any difference, and no-one would even notice.

    I’d rather have the declarations tbh.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 17,549

    Khalid Mahmood has resigned from the Labour front bench saying that 'A London-based bourgeoisie, with the support of brigades of woke social media warriors, has effectively captured the party'

    Sounds like this Labour MP has a firm grasp on the culture war that you keep telling us doesn't exist...
    Khalid Mahmood basically saying Starmer Out.

    If Labour don't get rid of SKS now they will have no chance to recover in time for GE2024

    A Socialist leader with a united Party in Wales shows what is possible.

    A shockingly poor leader in England also shows what happens to Labour when it abandons the people it is supposed to represent
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 11,979
    IanB2 said:

    Island Tories now speculating that they may have lost control of the county.

    The count is held up because a batch of postal votes was put in the box for the wrong ward. Council is suggesting all 39 wards may need to be recounted, which to me (I am not actually there) seems an overreaction.

    Stop the steal!
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 15,526
    IanB2 said:

    IanB2 said:

    Island Tories now speculating that they may have lost control of the county.

    The count is held up because a batch of postal votes was put in the box for the wrong ward. Council is suggesting all 39 wards may need to be recounted, which to me (I am not actually there) seems an overreaction.

    Just keep those island line railway extensions coming.

    I'd vote for anyone who delivered on Newport/Ventnor.

    Anyone.
    I was discussing the possible Ventnor extension just last week. We are keen to see it happen, but there are some technical issues as well as the minor issue of funding
    Any hope of West Wight? (Happy memories of taking my host's hound down the line beside the Yar.)
  • AramintaMoonbeamQCAramintaMoonbeamQC Posts: 3,390
    Leon said:

    IanB2 said:

    Edinburgh West declares:

    LIBDEM hold, 25k to SNP 15k

    54% of the vote, up 13%, SNP -1%, Con -8%

    These results all over the place
    Not really. Edinburgh West is rammed with Tory suburbs, who have all shifted to the Lib Dems to keep the SNP out over the last few years.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 36,540
    edited May 7

    Have a friend whose brother lives in Sussex, East I think, near Crowley.

    What's the word from that neck of the wolds?

    They changed the name to Crawley and got rid of the wolds. ;)
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 11,979
    ping said:

    Is it really necessary for the news programmes to interrupt interviewees mid sentence to bring live declarations? I find it both rude and disruptive to the flow of the programme. If instead they showed the declaration on a delay 30 seconds later then it would not make any difference, and no-one would even notice.

    I’d rather have the declarations tbh.
    How would you tell the difference?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 13,826
    Lozza Fox may have assisted Shaun Bailey in London by getting more people to preference him, Bailey, than would otherwise have been the case.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 21,319
    Leon said:

    IanB2 said:

    Edinburgh West declares:

    LIBDEM hold, 25k to SNP 15k

    54% of the vote, up 13%, SNP -1%, Con -8%

    These results all over the place
    They really aren't
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 16,883
    SNP hold Moray
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 36,540
    edited May 7
    Carnyx said:

    IanB2 said:

    IanB2 said:

    Island Tories now speculating that they may have lost control of the county.

    The count is held up because a batch of postal votes was put in the box for the wrong ward. Council is suggesting all 39 wards may need to be recounted, which to me (I am not actually there) seems an overreaction.

    Just keep those island line railway extensions coming.

    I'd vote for anyone who delivered on Newport/Ventnor.

    Anyone.
    I was discussing the possible Ventnor extension just last week. We are keen to see it happen, but there are some technical issues as well as the minor issue of funding
    Any hope of West Wight? (Happy memories of taking my host's hound down the line beside the Yar.)
    Nope. Newport is the aspiration, but there are challenges in running alongside or track sharing with the steam railway, as well as actually extending the line somewhere near Newport, the old route now being covered by a large housing estate.

    I have walked the old estuary line with the dog; it’s now a cracking walk.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 25,460
    Ooo, SNP majority odds on fav now.

    Come on, let's do it!
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 43,972
    IanB2 said:

    IanB2 said:

    Island Tories now speculating that they may have lost control of the county.

    The count is held up because a batch of postal votes was put in the box for the wrong ward. Council is suggesting all 39 wards may need to be recounted, which to me (I am not actually there) seems an overreaction.

    Just keep those island line railway extensions coming.

    I'd vote for anyone who delivered on Newport/Ventnor.

    Anyone.
    I was discussing the possible Ventnor extension just last week. We are keen to see it happen, but there are some technical issues as well as the minor issue of funding
    Send me a message. I'm a civil engineer and I do railways - major project/programme management.

    (PS. yes, we've been dicks to each other in the past but let's ignore that: this is more important)
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 5,721

    Excellent news for BINFACE.

    Candidates putting a BIN ON THEIR FACE, and getting serious traction makes me proud to be British.

    Think how calmer America would be if they actually had a sense of humour?

    https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1390715467216662531?s=20

    You never heard our famous presidential hopefuls Will Rogers, Pat Paulsen and Kanye West?

    Great humorists all!
    Laughing *at* rather than with!
    You are right (also correct) re: KW, but NOT Paulsen. And most certain NOT about Will Rogers. Whom I suspect you've never heard of?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Will_Rogers
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 10,740

    @Dura_Ace How lethal is this going to be then? Kiwi and guava halves stuff?

    https://twitter.com/DefenceHQ/status/1390715116052701188?s=20

    Tanks are just the thing for a land-based power like, say, Germany or France but of limited use on an island with no empire left. I suppose if Scotland goes independent then declares war... but suppose Scotland is the country that inherits the tanks!
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 97,887
    Has the Cardiff West result been announced?

    Or when is the ETA.

    *Looks wistfully at my betting slip*
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 16,883

    IanB2 said:

    IanB2 said:

    Island Tories now speculating that they may have lost control of the county.

    The count is held up because a batch of postal votes was put in the box for the wrong ward. Council is suggesting all 39 wards may need to be recounted, which to me (I am not actually there) seems an overreaction.

    Just keep those island line railway extensions coming.

    I'd vote for anyone who delivered on Newport/Ventnor.

    Anyone.
    I was discussing the possible Ventnor extension just last week. We are keen to see it happen, but there are some technical issues as well as the minor issue of funding
    Send me a message. I'm a civil engineer and I do railways - major project/programme management.

    (PS. yes, we've been dicks to each other in the past but let's ignore that: this is more important)
    Can you come up here and sort out our Metro system please? Bonus: less woke people.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 41,562
    moonshine said:

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Many of which you can't get physically get to, and others won't let you in:


    Four of which are British controlled micro-territories; two of which have basically banned all travel.

    Edit to add: Israel is to open up to fully vaccinated travellers later this month
    So. It's really Portugal.

    And Singapore.

    And that's it.
    Singapore has hotel quarantine and just announced tightened domestic restrictions because of a small handful of cases, despite decent progress with vaccine. They are still in thrall to zero covid-ism.
    Once you get to even 55+% of the population vaccinated (see Israel), then the virus finds it very hard to find new hosts.

    Which makes panicking over a few dozen cases once you have half the population (or more) vaccinated seem rather unncecessary.
  • AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,630

    Has the Cardiff West result been announced?

    Or when is the ETA.

    *Looks wistfully at my betting slip*

    They finished verification 30 minutes ago in Cardiff West....
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 13,826
    Almost no changes in Scotland and Wales from last time. Since both results were on a knife-edge last time, they're still on a knife-edge this time.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 36,540

    IanB2 said:

    IanB2 said:

    Island Tories now speculating that they may have lost control of the county.

    The count is held up because a batch of postal votes was put in the box for the wrong ward. Council is suggesting all 39 wards may need to be recounted, which to me (I am not actually there) seems an overreaction.

    Just keep those island line railway extensions coming.

    I'd vote for anyone who delivered on Newport/Ventnor.

    Anyone.
    I was discussing the possible Ventnor extension just last week. We are keen to see it happen, but there are some technical issues as well as the minor issue of funding
    Send me a message. I'm a civil engineer and I do railways - major project/programme management.

    (PS. yes, we've been dicks to each other in the past but let's ignore that: this is more important)
    We’re expecting a feasibility study to go to Parliament from Ian Birch any day now. Once we see that - assuming it’s made public - we’ll have a better idea where things stand.
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 5,650
    Leon said:

    IanB2 said:

    Edinburgh West declares:

    LIBDEM hold, 25k to SNP 15k

    54% of the vote, up 13%, SNP -1%, Con -8%

    These results all over the place
    Tactical: ScotCon -> ScotLD

  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 43,972

    @Dura_Ace How lethal is this going to be then? Kiwi and guava halves stuff?

    https://twitter.com/DefenceHQ/status/1390715116052701188?s=20

    Tanks are just the thing for a land-based power like, say, Germany or France but of limited use on an island with no empire left. I suppose if Scotland goes independent then declares war... but suppose Scotland is the country that inherits the tanks!
    I imagine we need a couple of hundred to credibly deter action across the central European plain?

    Of course, it requires Germany, Poland and France to do the same etc. or Russia might decide to dance in the Baltics.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 97,887

    Has the Cardiff West result been announced?

    Or when is the ETA.

    *Looks wistfully at my betting slip*

    They finished verification 30 minutes ago in Cardiff West....
    Thank you.
  • 3ChordTrick3ChordTrick Posts: 81

    Has the Cardiff West result been announced?

    Or when is the ETA.

    *Looks wistfully at my betting slip*

    ETA was 6pm.

    Drakeford was always nailed on here. Split vote if nothing else between McEvoy and Plaid.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 65,118
    edited May 7
    Starmer needs new advisors.....see the 6pm news, Boris with his mini Trump blimp in Hartlepool saying up the people, cut to Starmer in his Westminster office saying well we need to engage with the public...

    Obviously Boris visit is carefully handled PR stunt, but the leader of the working man's party banging on about having to engage with the public from London office looks as out of touch as Jacob Ress Mogg talking about single mothers on benefits.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 17,549

    Keir Starmer's reshuffle must be in doubt. There is a certain irony in his wanting to axe Dodds for not cutting through, given his own performance. Does Starmer have the party heft to take on the various wings of the party?

    Dead in the water.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 6,490

    stodge said:

    I'm delighted to announce PB's JohnO has been re-elected.

    Excellent news.
    Surrey is proving interesting - 30 Conservatives and 23 non-Conservatives elected so far.

    Going into the election, the Conservatives held 61 of the 81 seats so the Conservative majority looks set to be substantially reduced.
    If I was Dominic Raab I'd be looking for a new seat.
    Raab's fine. He's improving too. I know it sounds insane, but I do think Boris is giving opportunity to his ministers to do stuff. Hancock for example seems very confident that he's calling the shots and Boris is with him. To the extent that this might be true it seems a good feature of the Boris regime.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 43,972
    Carnyx said:

    IanB2 said:

    IanB2 said:

    Island Tories now speculating that they may have lost control of the county.

    The count is held up because a batch of postal votes was put in the box for the wrong ward. Council is suggesting all 39 wards may need to be recounted, which to me (I am not actually there) seems an overreaction.

    Just keep those island line railway extensions coming.

    I'd vote for anyone who delivered on Newport/Ventnor.

    Anyone.
    I was discussing the possible Ventnor extension just last week. We are keen to see it happen, but there are some technical issues as well as the minor issue of funding
    Any hope of West Wight? (Happy memories of taking my host's hound down the line beside the Yar.)
    Beautiful line, beautiful route, but the business case for that didn't even stack up in the 1890s sans cars.

    Newport and Ventnor are major population centres that are currently 5-6 miles short of the network.

    Cowes should really be on the table too, but the route has been built over like a MoFo and it can easily be served by bussing it to death, so probably not.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 36,540
    edited May 7

    IanB2 said:

    Kirsty to Tice: “you talk about Rome not being built in a day, but you are like the lost city of Atlantis...”

    Pompey would be better example?
    Portsmouth isn’t often compared to Rome. Even Venice is a stretch, despite Pompey being Britain’s only island city (handy to remember as that crops up in quizzes now and again)
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 15,526
    IanB2 said:

    IanB2 said:

    Kirsty to Tice: “you talk about Rome not being built in a day, but you are like the lost city of Atlantis...”

    Pompey would be better example?
    Portsmouth isn’t often compared to Rome. Even Venice is a stretch, despite Pompey being Britain’s only island city (handy to remember as that crops up in quizzes now and again)
    It's one of the few cities, actually the only one I know in the UK, where some of the houses have removable boards on the front doorsteps to keep the water out.

    And that must mean "England's only island city" as Kirkwall has a cathedral?
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 4,828
    edited May 7
    Andy_JS said:

    Lozza Fox may have assisted Shaun Bailey in London by getting more people to preference him, Bailey, than would otherwise have been the case.

    Lawrence Fox, it must surely be argued, is going to go on to become one of the foremost thinkers of the 21st Century. He's already in demand all over Europe, famous even in Russia.

  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 41,562
    Leon said:

    IanB2 said:

    Edinburgh West declares:

    LIBDEM hold, 25k to SNP 15k

    54% of the vote, up 13%, SNP -1%, Con -8%

    These results all over the place
    The LibDems in Scotland have managed to repeat their Westminster trick of getting lots of tactical voting. It results in 5 seats with decent majorities, and then sub 2% shares almost everywhere else.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 5,721
    edited May 7
    Thanks yet again to Andrea and everyone else who's been cutting & pasting & posting results for us like a group of kindergarteners on a sugar high!
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 17,549
    ydoethur said:

    Tories hammered Labour in @bigjohnowls back yard. Net gain of nine seats, including three of six in Bolsover.

    https://www.staffordshire-live.co.uk/news/local-news/elections-2021-tories-smash-labour-5387379

    (Although results in Chesterfield itself were better.)

    Lost one seat by a tiny margin. All 6 holds were with a reduced majority.

    Starmer very unpopular. Of course Blair lost Chesterfield and it was only regained under Brown.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 43,972

    Andy_JS said:

    Lozza Fox may have assisted Shaun Bailey in London by getting more people to preference him, Bailey, than would otherwise have been the case.

    Fox, it must surely be argued, is going to go on to become one of the foremost thinkers of the 21st Century. He's already in demand all over Europe.
    Fox has taken censorship over non-Woke opinions to the top of the agenda (forget the anti-vax stuff, and the fact he's a bit of a dick for a minute).

    That's why he's doing well. Message.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 11,979
    edited May 7

    Andy_JS said:

    Lozza Fox may have assisted Shaun Bailey in London by getting more people to preference him, Bailey, than would otherwise have been the case.

    Fox, it must surely be argued, is going to go on to become one of the foremost thinkers of the 21st Century. He's already in demand all over Europe, famous even in Russia.
    Even has his own news channel in the States. And does some half decent glacier mints.
  • MonkeysMonkeys Posts: 673
    Boris has had two Falklands moments: Brexit and COVID, and he even chased the French away with boats yesterday. Labour recently suffered their worst defeat since before they had the capacity to form majority government and have been squeezed out of the news ever since.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 10,740
    Scott_xP said:

    Tomorrow's chip paper...

    The Tory donor at the centre of the Downing Street refurbishment row was a trustee of a royal charity when it bought furniture for his home and paid £1 million to his property company, The Times can reveal https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/property-firm-owned-by-tory-donor-in-no11-flat-row-was-paid-1m-by-royal-charity-while-he-was-a-trustee-br6lhq5fh

    Starmer needs to do two things with the sleaze allegations swirling round Number 10. First, he needs to nail Boris to the wall so that he must resign. More importantly though, he needs to get the message across to voters that the issue is corruption not wallpaper. The evidence of the yesterday's election results is that he has failed on the politics, even if he can eventually topple the Prime Minister.

    The Times story is interesting but is paywalled. What can be seen looks like a loose, easy-come culture, even if there is nothing legally wrong.

    There was also a suggestion a couple of days ago that Boris's brother Jo had landed a job with Dyson which if nothing else might explain how they knew each other's mobile numbers.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 36,540
    Carnyx said:

    IanB2 said:

    IanB2 said:

    Kirsty to Tice: “you talk about Rome not being built in a day, but you are like the lost city of Atlantis...”

    Pompey would be better example?
    Portsmouth isn’t often compared to Rome. Even Venice is a stretch, despite Pompey being Britain’s only island city (handy to remember as that crops up in quizzes now and again)
    It's one of the few cities, actually the only one I know in the UK, where some of the houses have removable boards on the front doorsteps to keep the water out.

    And that must mean "England's only island city" as Kirkwall has a cathedral?
    Island city is taken to mean the city itself is an island. By your definition all British cities are island cities!
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 2,564

    Starmer needs new advisors.....see the 6pm news, Boris with his mini Trump blimp in Hartlepool saying up the people, cut to Starmer in his Westminster office saying well we need to engage with the public...

    Obviously Boris visit is carefully handled PR stunt, but the leader of the working man's party banging on about having to engage with the public from London office looks as out of touch as Jacob Ress Mogg talking about single mothers on benefits.

    Stroppy Sir Keir wasn’t a great look. Nor as you say was standing in a room with some old books behind him, looking every bit the cloistered lawyer.

    I do feel quite sorry for him. He’s an improvement on Corbyn, but ironically by being a safe pair of hands he’s not radical enough to institute the changes Labour need to make.

    I think Labour actually would benefit from rolling the dice and choosing more of a maverick leader. Unfortunately last time they rolled the dice they ended up with just the wrong sort of maverick in Corbyn, and understandably that would put one off doing it again.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 17,549

    Khalid Mahmood has resigned from the Labour front bench saying that 'A London-based bourgeoisie, with the support of brigades of woke social media warriors, has effectively captured the party'

    Sounds like this Labour MP has a firm grasp on the culture war that you keep telling us doesn't exist...
    Khalid Mahmood basically saying Starmer Out.

    If Labour don't get rid of SKS now they will have no chance to recover in time for GE2024

    A Socialist leader with a united Party in Wales shows what is possible.

    A shockingly poor leader in England also shows what happens to Labour when it abandons the people it is supposed to represent
    I have supported the Labour Party throughout. If any of your crackpot Corbynistas get to become leader you lose people like me. However your defeats will be honourable and you can harp on about how bad Boris Johnson's fourth term is for the country. Happy days, eh?
    Nailed on under Starmer.

    Shockingly poor leader.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 16,883
    76.4% turnout in Eastwood
  • CorrectHorseBatteryCorrectHorseBattery Posts: 15,214
    https://twitter.com/BritainElects/status/1390721883016998917

    Labour is making solid progress in areas of the South
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 36,540

    ydoethur said:

    Tories hammered Labour in @bigjohnowls back yard. Net gain of nine seats, including three of six in Bolsover.

    https://www.staffordshire-live.co.uk/news/local-news/elections-2021-tories-smash-labour-5387379

    (Although results in Chesterfield itself were better.)

    Lost one seat by a tiny margin. All 6 holds were with a reduced majority.

    Starmer very unpopular. Of course Blair lost Chesterfield and it was only regained under Brown.
    Lost to the LibDems; hardly a hard left challenger.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 15,526
    IanB2 said:

    Carnyx said:

    IanB2 said:

    IanB2 said:

    Kirsty to Tice: “you talk about Rome not being built in a day, but you are like the lost city of Atlantis...”

    Pompey would be better example?
    Portsmouth isn’t often compared to Rome. Even Venice is a stretch, despite Pompey being Britain’s only island city (handy to remember as that crops up in quizzes now and again)
    It's one of the few cities, actually the only one I know in the UK, where some of the houses have removable boards on the front doorsteps to keep the water out.

    And that must mean "England's only island city" as Kirkwall has a cathedral?
    Island city is taken to mean the city itself is an island. By your definition all British cities are island cities!
    I did wonder!
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 10,740

    Pagan2 said:

    Khan now suffering from Starmers leadership. Turnout is dire.

    Struggling to beat the worst Tory Mayoral Candidate ever.

    Starmer Out

    Can't kick him out yet you need to find a safe seat for Pidcock first so she can become the new leader and messiahess
    God, that would be HILARIOUS.
    She is out of parliament so it is moot but at least Pidcock gives the impression when speaking that she might be about to say something interesting, whether or not you agree with her. Starmer has not mastered the art of story-telling.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 16,883

    https://twitter.com/BritainElects/status/1390721883016998917

    Labour is making solid progress in areas of the South

    Another large swing from Con to Lab in Kent. Is Kent the new Labour heartlands? :D
  • El_CapitanoEl_Capitano Posts: 2,506
    Carnyx said:

    It's one of the few cities, actually the only one I know in the UK, where some of the houses have removable boards on the front doorsteps to keep the water out.

    Worcester too.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 17,549

    Starmer needs new advisors.....see the 6pm news, Boris with his mini Trump blimp in Hartlepool saying up the people, cut to Starmer in his Westminster office saying well we need to engage with the public...

    Obviously Boris visit is carefully handled PR stunt, but the leader of the working man's party banging on about having to engage with the public from London office looks as out of touch as Jacob Ress Mogg talking about single mothers on benefits.

    Shockingly poor
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