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  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,418
    Sky News coverage is danny dyer....
  • CursingStoneCursingStone Posts: 421

    As it stands, Northumberland County Council is a Con GAIN surely?

    Fun fact. Northumberland County Council is not in fact a county council.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,418
    Byker (Newcastle upon Tyne) council result:

    Lab: 57.9% (+3.9)
    Con: 22.2% (+17.2)
    Grn: 14.6% (+5.2)
    LDem: 5.3% (+1.2)

    No UKIP (-16.5) as prev.

    Lab HOLD
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,344

    Seghill with Seaton Delaval (Northumberland) council result:

    Con: 54.5% (+12.8)
    Lab: 45.5% (-3.1)

    No UKIP (-8.1) as prev.

    Con GAIN from Lab

    You do have to wonder what is going through Starmer's thoughts at this moment
    "I picked a terrrrrrrible night to stop sniffing glue...."
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,134
    Nunu3 said:

    Chameleon said:

    Labour doing well in Central Newcastle, very badly in Central Sunderland.

    Newcastle generally feels a lot less bad. Big city effect?
    Big city, big Uni
    Only place in the North East to vote Remain, by 50.7% to 49.3%.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    Brom said:

    Got to feel for SKS with Arsenal getting knocked out too. Going to be a tough night. Only crumb of comfort for Labour is I would hazard a guess that the Northeast is the region where we’ll see the biggest Lab to Con swings.

    Hartlepool is a write off, I was confident from day 1 of a Con win sub 2k margin. I got the first part correct but it increasingly looks like the second part wrong.

    It does seem that the biggest twunts in British politics all seem to support Arsenal. Kier, Jezza, Piers Morgan, Gollum all support Arsenal. Coincidence?
  • AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    edited May 2021
    Con gain Fulwell and St Peter's in Sunderland, confirming the gains made in 2019
    In Fulwell, LAbour was pushed to third by LibDems
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,418
    Nunu3 said:

    Chameleon said:

    Labour doing well in Central Newcastle, very badly in Central Sunderland.

    Newcastle generally feels a lot less bad. Big city effect?
    Big city, big Uni
    2 unis. around 40k students.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,344
    So - as I have said on here in recent days:

    Labour had no reason to go to the polls - tick

    Tories have got out their 2019 vote - tick

    Tories to make 200-250 gains? - maybe.....
  • Nunu3Nunu3 Posts: 220
    Labour are getting an absolute hammering in Sunderland. Damn.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,134
    "Tyne and Wear Elects
    @TyneWearElects
    GREEN GAIN FROM LAB - Beacon and Bents (STH TYN)"

    https://twitter.com/TyneWearElects/status/1390455174746025986
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    Seriously - who would want to be a cop in US

    https://twitter.com/mayor_jlo/status/1389953413622992897

  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,340

    Brom said:

    Got to feel for SKS with Arsenal getting knocked out too. Going to be a tough night. Only crumb of comfort for Labour is I would hazard a guess that the Northeast is the region where we’ll see the biggest Lab to Con swings.

    Hartlepool is a write off, I was confident from day 1 of a Con win sub 2k margin. I got the first part correct but it increasingly looks like the second part wrong.

    It does seem that the biggest twunts in British politics all seem to support Arsenal. Kier, Jezza, Piers Morgan, Gollum all support Arsenal. Coincidence?
    Osama bin Laden? Not British. But confirms the trend.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,418
    Arthur’s Hill (Newcastle upon Tyne)

    Maggie Birkmyre (CON) - 188
    Joseph Eldridge (NEWC IND) - 110
    Daniel Gilmore (TUSC) - 16
    Shehla Naqvi (GRN) - 123
    Stephen Powers (LAB) - 1031
    Tahir Siddique (LD) - 58

    LAB HOLD
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,418
    edited May 2021
    Floater said:

    Seriously - who would want to be a cop in US

    https://twitter.com/mayor_jlo/status/1389953413622992897

    There was that shocking footage from 2-3 weeks ago, seeming routine traffic stop, guy gets out the car, semi-auto rifle, guns the officer down.

    The fundamental issue in the US is the public have easy access to guns, so criminals have easy access to guns, so the police must be armed....which results in lots of shooting.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,418
    Public health experts have recommended a version of the Indian Covid variant found in the UK to be made a "variant of concern", the BBC has been told.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/health-57016110
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,340

    So - as I have said on here in recent days:

    Labour had no reason to go to the polls - tick

    Tories have got out their 2019 vote - tick

    Tories to make 200-250 gains? - maybe.....

    We'll see. The NE is swinging like an unhappily married, newly vaccinated couple fresh out of lockdown.
    The rest of the UK lacks data.
  • NemtynakhtNemtynakht Posts: 2,329

    That's the end of my punning for tonight.

    How about like a Keir in the headlights? Keir and Loathing in ....? I like the idea of some labourites having Keir goggles on - all problems are attractively blamed on Keir.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 54,668
    dixiedean said:

    So - as I have said on here in recent days:

    Labour had no reason to go to the polls - tick

    Tories have got out their 2019 vote - tick

    Tories to make 200-250 gains? - maybe.....

    We'll see. The NE is swinging like an unhappily married, newly vaccinated couple fresh out of lockdown.
    The rest of the UK lacks data.
    Hah. Excellent analogy

    Also. You’re drunk
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 32,270
    South Blyth

    Daniel James Car (CON) 1,114
    Rachel Edge (LAB) 270
    Alisdair Lindsey Gibbs-Barton (LD) - 114

    CON GAIN
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    South Blyth

    Daniel James Car (CON) 1,114
    Rachel Edge (LAB) 270
    Alisdair Lindsey Gibbs-Barton (LD) - 114

    CON GAIN

    That's a gain? Jeez what was the swing there !?
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207

    That's the end of my punning for tonight.

    How about like a Keir in the headlights? Keir and Loathing in ....? I like the idea of some labourites having Keir goggles on - all problems are attractively blamed on Keir.
    Tears for Keir?
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,801
    So, what have I missed? :D
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,306
    Andy_JS said:

    "Tyne and Wear Elects
    @TyneWearElects
    GREEN GAIN FROM LAB - Beacon and Bents (STH TYN)"

    https://twitter.com/TyneWearElects/status/1390455174746025986

    Maybe a dire national result for Labour will create space for a realignment on the centre-left like we’ve seen in Germany.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,344

    South Blyth

    Daniel James Car (CON) 1,114
    Rachel Edge (LAB) 270
    Alisdair Lindsey Gibbs-Barton (LD) - 114

    CON GAIN

    That's not a gain.

    That's an OBLITERATION.....
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,418
    edited May 2021

    South Blyth

    Daniel James Car (CON) 1,114
    Rachel Edge (LAB) 270
    Alisdair Lindsey Gibbs-Barton (LD) - 114

    CON GAIN

    That's a gain? Jeez what was the swing there !?
    It was a tie between Con and Lib Dem in 2017...
  • AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    Greens got 67% in Beacon and Bents in 2019. It has became their stronghold in South Tyneside
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,344
    dixiedean said:

    So - as I have said on here in recent days:

    Labour had no reason to go to the polls - tick

    Tories have got out their 2019 vote - tick

    Tories to make 200-250 gains? - maybe.....

    We'll see. The NE is swinging like an unhappily married, newly vaccinated couple fresh out of lockdown.
    The rest of the UK lacks data.
    My opinions were formed on the doorsteps. Especially about the 2019 Tory vote being rock solid.

    Maybe as South Hams does, Britain does....
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,825
    RobD said:

    So, what have I missed? :D

    A repeat of your epic spreadsheet from 2017?
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,340
    Leon said:

    dixiedean said:

    So - as I have said on here in recent days:

    Labour had no reason to go to the polls - tick

    Tories have got out their 2019 vote - tick

    Tories to make 200-250 gains? - maybe.....

    We'll see. The NE is swinging like an unhappily married, newly vaccinated couple fresh out of lockdown.
    The rest of the UK lacks data.
    Hah. Excellent analogy

    Also. You’re drunk
    Astute. And 100% correct.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,801

    South Blyth

    Daniel James Car (CON) 1,114
    Rachel Edge (LAB) 270
    Alisdair Lindsey Gibbs-Barton (LD) - 114

    CON GAIN

    That's not a gain.

    That's an OBLITERATION.....
    Another terrrrrrrrrible night for the Tories?

    Oh, wait.
  • ChameleonChameleon Posts: 4,264

    South Blyth

    Daniel James Car (CON) 1,114
    Rachel Edge (LAB) 270
    Alisdair Lindsey Gibbs-Barton (LD) - 114

    CON GAIN

    That's a gain? Jeez what was the swing there !?
    Was a 29/29/25/18

    LD/Con/Lab/KIP 150

    This time
    Con 74%
    LD 7%,

    so a roughly 34% swing. Not bad.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,801
    kle4 said:

    RobD said:

    So, what have I missed? :D

    A repeat of your epic spreadsheet from 2017?
    With the number of councils today? ;)
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,344
    So, at 1.08 am, what do we know so far?

    The voters: "Nice wallpaper, Boris...."
  • LeonLeon Posts: 54,668
    Chameleon said:

    South Blyth

    Daniel James Car (CON) 1,114
    Rachel Edge (LAB) 270
    Alisdair Lindsey Gibbs-Barton (LD) - 114

    CON GAIN

    That's a gain? Jeez what was the swing there !?
    Was a 29/29/25/18

    LD/Con/Lab/KIP 150

    This time
    Con 74%
    LD 7%,

    so a roughly 34% swing. Not bad.
    That’s what we need in GE 24. A 34% swing to the Tories

    Labour will have 1 seat. Islington
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 32,270

    South Blyth

    Daniel James Car (CON) 1,114
    Rachel Edge (LAB) 270
    Alisdair Lindsey Gibbs-Barton (LD) - 114

    CON GAIN

    That's a gain? Jeez what was the swing there !?
    It was a tie between Con and Lib Dem in 2017...
    Yep. The Lib Dems had the seat by 1 vote.
  • ChameleonChameleon Posts: 4,264
    Another Con gain in Sunderland. Labour are losing about 2 in every 3 seats they're defending. Sunderland NOC?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,134
    edited May 2021
    25.5% swing from Lab to Con in South Blyth. Tory vote up 45.6%.

    South Blyth, Northumberland:
    2017 result:

    LD 357 28.9%
    C 356 28.8%
    Lab 305 24.7%
    UKIP 216 17.5%

    2021 result:

    C 1,114 74.4%
    Lab 270 18.0%
    LD 114 7.6%
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,340
    edited May 2021

    South Blyth

    Daniel James Car (CON) 1,114
    Rachel Edge (LAB) 270
    Alisdair Lindsey Gibbs-Barton (LD) - 114

    CON GAIN

    That's a gain? Jeez what was the swing there !?
    It was a tie between Con and Lib Dem in 2017...
    Was that the coin toss?
    Edit. No need this time...
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,418

    So, at 1.08 am, what do we know so far?

    The voters: "Nice wallpaper, Boris...."

    Yeah, but what about the cushions...
  • AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    first 3 wards declared in Gateshead

    Felling

    Sonya Dickie Labour Party 871
    Peter Crompton Jackson Conservative Party Candidate 354
    David Gilson Fawcett Liberal Democrat 178
    Neil Campbell Grant Green Party 115

    Labour polled 64% in 2019


    Saltwell


    Denise Marianne Robson Labour Party 877
    Leanne Mary Brand Liberal Democrat 590
    Alan Bond Conservative Party Candidate 320
    Rachel Mary Cabral Green Party 185
    Craig Edward Gallagher Save Us Now 18

    Labour polled 51% in 2019


    Wardley and Leam Lane


    Linda Green Labour Party 1266
    John Robert McNeil Conservative Party Candidate 590
    Amanda Renee Wintcher Liberal Democrat 136
    John Michael Aspinall Green Party 131

    Labour polled 54% in 2019
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    Keir said he would own these results

    https://twitter.com/wallaceme/status/1390390809531494406

    Tory source in Sunderland describes Labour’s situation as “atrocious
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,801
    Leon said:

    Chameleon said:

    South Blyth

    Daniel James Car (CON) 1,114
    Rachel Edge (LAB) 270
    Alisdair Lindsey Gibbs-Barton (LD) - 114

    CON GAIN

    That's a gain? Jeez what was the swing there !?
    Was a 29/29/25/18

    LD/Con/Lab/KIP 150

    This time
    Con 74%
    LD 7%,

    so a roughly 34% swing. Not bad.
    That’s what we need in GE 24. A 34% swing to the Tories

    Labour will have 1 seat. Islington
    It's the French War Bounce.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    Chameleon said:

    Another Con gain in Sunderland. Labour are losing about 2 in every 3 seats they're defending. Sunderland NOC?

    Only a third up for election. How many would they need to lose for it to go NOC?
  • AberjeffreyAberjeffrey Posts: 20
    RobD said:

    So, what have I missed? :D

    I don’t think Labour are doing very well, I think sums it up 😉
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,418
    edited May 2021
    EDIT: error
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,418
    Wensleydale (Northumberland) council result:

    Lab: 54.7% (+1.2)
    Con: 41.8% (+25.3)
    LDem: 3.6% (-13.4)

    Lab HOLD
  • AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714

    Fulwell (Sunderland) council result:

    Lab: 42.4% (+8.8)
    LDem: 36.5% (+32.2)
    Con: 16.9% (-28.4)
    Grn: 4.2% (+0.6)

    Lab GAIN from Con

    Con held Fulwell. Labour is third.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,340
    edited May 2021

    Fulwell (Sunderland) council result:

    Lab: 42.4% (+8.8)
    LDem: 36.5% (+32.2)
    Con: 16.9% (-28.4)
    Grn: 4.2% (+0.6)

    Lab GAIN from Con

    Comeback starts here ;)
  • BromBrom Posts: 3,760

    Fulwell (Sunderland) council result:

    Lab: 42.4% (+8.8)
    LDem: 36.5% (+32.2)
    Con: 16.9% (-28.4)
    Grn: 4.2% (+0.6)

    Lab GAIN from Con

    Fake news I believe. Lab and Con the other way round. Keir can’t catch a break.
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 32,270
    Doxford (Sunderland)

    Paul Gibson (LD) - 1,510
    Thomas Johnston (LAB and CO-OP) - 797
    Auburn Langley (GRN) - 110
    John Wiper (CON) - 684

    LD GAIN
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,418
    dixiedean said:

    South Blyth

    Daniel James Car (CON) 1,114
    Rachel Edge (LAB) 270
    Alisdair Lindsey Gibbs-Barton (LD) - 114

    CON GAIN

    That's a gain? Jeez what was the swing there !?
    It was a tie between Con and Lib Dem in 2017...
    Was that the coin toss?

    Fulwell (Sunderland) council result:

    Lab: 42.4% (+8.8)
    LDem: 36.5% (+32.2)
    Con: 16.9% (-28.4)
    Grn: 4.2% (+0.6)

    Lab GAIN from Con

    Comeback starts here ;)
    That's actually an error from Britain Elects I believe, so I've deleted it
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    Team starmer!

    https://twitter.com/jonnyross05/status/1390459090116173824

    Lib Dem GAIN Doxford (Sunderland) from Labour.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,825
    edited May 2021
    IIRC May's last locals didn't look too bad at first as Tories did well in the north, then had some horror results come morning in the south. Labour had better hope for a repeat over the weekend.

    But I'm supposed to be up at 6, so must try to put this excitement out of my mind.
  • AberjeffreyAberjeffrey Posts: 20

    So, at 1.08 am, what do we know so far?

    The voters: "Nice wallpaper, Boris...."

    That people care about real issues and not publicity stunts in leading department stores? Don’t know, just an opinion.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,344

    Wensleydale (Northumberland) council result:

    Lab: 54.7% (+1.2)
    Con: 41.8% (+25.3)
    LDem: 3.6% (-13.4)

    Lab HOLD

    Cracking result, Gromit.....
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    Fulwell (Sunderland) council result:

    Lab: 42.4% (+8.8)
    LDem: 36.5% (+32.2)
    Con: 16.9% (-28.4)
    Grn: 4.2% (+0.6)

    Lab GAIN from Con

    Con held Fulwell. Labour is third.
    BritainElects on New Statesmen puts Fulwell as a Lab Gain.

    A mistake by BritainElects?
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,418

    Doxford (Sunderland)

    Paul Gibson (LD) - 1,510
    Thomas Johnston (LAB and CO-OP) - 797
    Auburn Langley (GRN) - 110
    John Wiper (CON) - 684

    LD GAIN

    Why is Brexit central Sunderland voting Lib Dem? :D
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,340
    edited May 2021

    Wensleydale (Northumberland) council result:

    Lab: 54.7% (+1.2)
    Con: 41.8% (+25.3)
    LDem: 3.6% (-13.4)

    Lab HOLD

    Deleted. Due to @MarqueeMark being less drunk. And quicker therefore.
  • ChameleonChameleon Posts: 4,264
    edited May 2021

    Chameleon said:

    Another Con gain in Sunderland. Labour are losing about 2 in every 3 seats they're defending. Sunderland NOC?

    Only a third up for election. How many would they need to lose for it to go NOC?
    Ah good point, I forgot that 2021 was supposed to be an election fallow year, and assumed that 2/3rds were up. However 13 losses out of 22 seats defending would do it, and so far it looks very close.

    They have about 5 seats, and have lost about 6, so on course for it being a very close call.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 54,668
    Pro Tory swings in the south


    Portishead East (North Somerset) council result:

    PtsInd: 40.3% (-29.7)
    Con: 32.1% (+15.0)
    LDem: 16.1% (+16.1)
    Lab: 11.5% (+3.4)

    Portishead Independents HOLD
    More:
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,801
    @kle4 - seeing all these results come in, I kind of wish I did have the good old spreadsheet this year. Maybe next year.
  • NemtynakhtNemtynakht Posts: 2,329
    dixiedean said:

    Leon said:

    dixiedean said:

    So - as I have said on here in recent days:

    Labour had no reason to go to the polls - tick

    Tories have got out their 2019 vote - tick

    Tories to make 200-250 gains? - maybe.....

    We'll see. The NE is swinging like an unhappily married, newly vaccinated couple fresh out of lockdown.
    The rest of the UK lacks data.
    Hah. Excellent analogy

    Also. You’re drunk
    Astute. And 100% correct.
    Hartlepool will be interesting - if Tories swallow up entire Brexit vote, and labour stay home, they could get a majority of 5k plus. That would dwarf any negative council stories from South.
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,162

    Doxford (Sunderland)

    Paul Gibson (LD) - 1,510
    Thomas Johnston (LAB and CO-OP) - 797
    Auburn Langley (GRN) - 110
    John Wiper (CON) - 684

    LD GAIN

    Why is Brexit central Sunderland voting Lib Dem? :D
    https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/elections/2021/05/lib-dem-fightback-comes-brexitland
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,134
    Leon said:

    Pro Tory swings in the south


    Portishead East (North Somerset) council result:

    PtsInd: 40.3% (-29.7)
    Con: 32.1% (+15.0)
    LDem: 16.1% (+16.1)
    Lab: 11.5% (+3.4)

    Portishead Independents HOLD
    More:

    Labour still going up though, in a very middle-class area.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    If the results continue like this then Boris is going to be walking on water.
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 32,270
    Hartley (Northumberland)

    Susan Elizabeth Dungworth (LAB & CO-OP) - 868
    David Ferguson (CON) - 869
    Anita Cynthia Romer (LD) 105

    CON GAIN (by 1 vote)
  • AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714

    Hartley (Northumberland)

    Susan Elizabeth Dungworth (LAB & CO-OP) - 868
    David Ferguson (CON) - 869
    Anita Cynthia Romer (LD) 105

    CON GAIN (by 1 vote)

    Blyth Valley Lab GE candidate loses also her council seat
  • LeonLeon Posts: 54,668
    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Pro Tory swings in the south


    Portishead East (North Somerset) council result:

    PtsInd: 40.3% (-29.7)
    Con: 32.1% (+15.0)
    LDem: 16.1% (+16.1)
    Lab: 11.5% (+3.4)

    Portishead Independents HOLD
    More:

    Labour still going up though, in a very middle-class area.
    To be honest it looks like a very quirky ward
  • justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527
    Starmer deserves to take a great deal of flak for Hartlepool - a by election that did not need to be held at all at this time. It also reflects badly on the Chief Whip and Regional Party Officers who surely provided advice. It does not augur well for his political psephological nous. Of course, the poor results in Sunderland were going to happen anyway.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,134
    Tory share up 45% in South Blyth. Last time they lose by one vote after drawing lots.
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207

    If the results continue like this then Boris is going to be walking on water.

    Starmer on the other hand ......
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,801
    Andy_JS said:

    Tory share up 45% in South Blyth. Last time they lose by one vote after drawing lots.

    The share was up 45%, or it is now at 45%? If the former, blimey.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,418
    I do wonder how disadvantaged Labour are by the fact only oldies are fully vaccinated. How many people thought I might just give that trip to the polling station a miss and hadn't organized a postal vote.
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 32,270
    Cramlington East

    Scott Lee (IND) - 420
    Maureen Levy (CON) - 188
    Ian Carr Fry Swithenbank (LAB) - 386

    IND GAIN
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    Floater said:

    If the results continue like this then Boris is going to be walking on water.

    Starmer on the other hand ......
    He pledged to be the unity candidate.

    He's ensured unity between Tory and UKIP voters. 😂
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,418
    edited May 2021
    justin124 said:

    Starmer deserves to take a great deal of flak for Hartlepool - a by election that did not need to be held at all at this time. It also reflects badly on the Chief Whip and Regional Party Officers who surely provided advice. It does not augur well for his political psephological nous. Of course, the poor results in Sunderland were going to happen anyway.

    I am not sure it would have mattered when it was held. The general narrative isn't going to be any different in a few weeks, vaccine boost will still be there (in fact might be stronger as even more people get double stabbed) and everybody has heard the old about Boris wallpaper and mates getting COVID contracts.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 54,668
    So Labour now is reduced to london. Manc. Liverpool. Bits of Wales. That’s it

    Why would anyone vote for them? What are they for? What’s the point of them?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,134
    edited May 2021
    "The leader of the Labour group in Northumberland has lost her seat of Hartley - by 1 vote to @Conservatives"

    https://twitter.com/GuyOpperman/status/1390460187870470150
  • ChameleonChameleon Posts: 4,264
    5 retained, 7 lost for Labour in Sunderland.

    They need to keep 9 of the 22 seats they're defending in order to keep control of the council. Will be very close.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,801
    justin124 said:

    Starmer deserves to take a great deal of flak for Hartlepool - a by election that did not need to be held at all at this time. It also reflects badly on the Chief Whip and Regional Party Officers who surely provided advice. It does not augur well for his political psephological nous. Of course, the poor results in Sunderland were going to happen anyway.

    He couldn't have moved it by that much, so I doubt it makes that much difference.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,418

    I do wonder how disadvantaged Labour are by the fact only oldies are fully vaccinated. How many people thought I might just give that trip to the polling station a miss and hadn't organized a postal vote.

    It isn't just that. The under 30s are just not going to be voting full stop. Like I said earlier, almost all of my friends haven't bothered to vote and most of them are Labour or Lib Dem supporters.

    To be honest the results are better than I expected so far.
  • KentRisingKentRising Posts: 2,917

    If the results continue like this then Boris is going to be walking on water.

    All the way to Jersey.
  • BromBrom Posts: 3,760
    Has any opposition leader had a poor first election and gone on to win a general election? I believe Thatcher, Blair and Cameron all did rather well (and I can’t be arsed to trawl further back than that).

    I would imagine it’s an ominous sign, if you’re associated with being a loser early on it becomes hard to shake that label.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,801
    Why aren't there any numbers on Sky/BBC yet? Tons of results posted on here, surely these can be fed into a model to do some wild projections.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,344
    Floater said:

    If the results continue like this then Boris is going to be walking on water.

    Starmer on the other hand ......
    Sleeping with the fishes.....
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    Sky talking about Shadow Cabinet resignations . . .
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,825

    Cramlington East

    Scott Lee (IND) - 420
    Maureen Levy (CON) - 188
    Ian Carr Fry Swithenbank (LAB) - 386

    IND GAIN

    That's a shame, as Swithenbank is a name deserving of victory.
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,162
    RobD said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Tory share up 45% in South Blyth. Last time they lose by one vote after drawing lots.

    The share was up 45%, or it is now at 45%? If the former, blimey.
    It is up 45%
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,418

    I do wonder how disadvantaged Labour are by the fact only oldies are fully vaccinated. How many people thought I might just give that trip to the polling station a miss and hadn't organized a postal vote.

    It isn't just that. The under 30s are just not going to be voting full stop. Like I said earlier, almost all of my friends haven't bothered to vote and most of them are Labour or Lib Dem supporters.

    To be honest the results are better than I expected so far.
    Because?
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,340
    The NE, as the most efficient, hard working and go getting part of the UK, gets its results out lickety split.
    Thus shaping the narrative as ever.
    The rest of the UK can only gaze in awe.
    And hope that its ward results may one day be pored over with such reverence.
  • ChameleonChameleon Posts: 4,264

    I do wonder how disadvantaged Labour are by the fact only oldies are fully vaccinated. How many people thought I might just give that trip to the polling station a miss and hadn't organized a postal vote.

    It isn't just that. The under 30s are just not going to be voting full stop. Like I said earlier, almost all of my friends haven't bothered to vote and most of them are Labour or Lib Dem supporters.

    To be honest the results are better than I expected so far.
    Because?
    Starmer and Davey hardly get the juices flowing.
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    Leon said:

    So Labour now is reduced to london. Manc. Liverpool. Bits of Wales. That’s it

    Why would anyone vote for them? What are they for? What’s the point of them?

    The Free Palestine voting pool a tad smaller than expected......
  • BigRichBigRich Posts: 3,491

    If the results continue like this then Boris is going to be walking on water.

    I suspect the results we are seeing mostly form the NE are going to be out-liars, to the rest of the nation, probably more modest gains or even losses elsewhere.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 54,668
    Brom said:

    Has any opposition leader had a poor first election and gone on to win a general election? I believe Thatcher, Blair and Cameron all did rather well (and I can’t be arsed to trawl further back than that).

    I would imagine it’s an ominous sign, if you’re associated with being a loser early on it becomes hard to shake that label.

    They might have to go the full Angela Rayner. Provincial working class giantess.

    If that doesn’t work, disband
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,418

    I do wonder how disadvantaged Labour are by the fact only oldies are fully vaccinated. How many people thought I might just give that trip to the polling station a miss and hadn't organized a postal vote.

    It isn't just that. The under 30s are just not going to be voting full stop. Like I said earlier, almost all of my friends haven't bothered to vote and most of them are Labour or Lib Dem supporters.

    To be honest the results are better than I expected so far.
    Because?
    Because what?
  • AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    Chameleon said:

    5 retained, 7 lost for Labour in Sunderland.

    They need to keep 9 of the 22 seats they're defending in order to keep control of the council. Will be very close.

    Got 2 from Copt Hill now
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,134
    RobD said:

    Why aren't there any numbers on Sky/BBC yet? Tons of results posted on here, surely these can be fed into a model to do some wild projections.

    They don't usually do projections for local elections, just the results themselves.
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