Has any opposition leader had a poor first election and gone on to win a general election? I believe Thatcher, Blair and Cameron all did rather well (and I can’t be arsed to trawl further back than that).
I would imagine it’s an ominous sign, if you’re associated with being a loser early on it becomes hard to shake that label.
They might have to go the full Angela Rayner. Provincial working class giantess.
If that doesn’t work, disband
They need someone who gets the modern provincial working class. Starmer seems to have a caricature in his head from the 1970s.
Yes exactly. I think a white provincial working class woman like Rayner could work well. She’s not to everyone’s taste, but nor is Boris, and he’s doing OK
It is the obvious next move. After that, I run out of potential moves for Labour
Without Scotland, perhaps they are simply finished
But Rayner is not provincial. She is from Manchester.
That's provincial compared to North London.
She is OK, but I don't listen to her and hear small town Britain. She sounds just like the city dwelling middle class activist types I know across the UK, who don't know anyone who votes Tory or voted for Brexit. The anger she shows and that of the people trying to cancel Brexit sound the same to me There is a disconnect between the evidence (votes) and their experience (twitter and friendship bubble) which means they cannot hear. This is fundamental to Labours current problems.
She’s really not middle class. She’s echt working class. A single Mum from a Stockport comp with no GCSEs who made it to MP and deputy leader? That’s admirable, however you spin it
But this Palestine stuff is depressing, however righteous. They all get captured by this
Has any opposition leader had a poor first election and gone on to win a general election? I believe Thatcher, Blair and Cameron all did rather well (and I can’t be arsed to trawl further back than that).
I would imagine it’s an ominous sign, if you’re associated with being a loser early on it becomes hard to shake that label.
They might have to go the full Angela Rayner. Provincial working class giantess.
If that doesn’t work, disband
They need someone who gets the modern provincial working class. Starmer seems to have a caricature in his head from the 1970s.
Yes exactly. I think a white provincial working class woman like Rayner could work well. She’s not to everyone’s taste, but nor is Boris, and he’s doing OK
It is the obvious next move. After that, I run out of potential moves for Labour
Without Scotland, perhaps they are simply finished
But Rayner is not provincial. She is from Manchester.
She has a remarkable back story
‘Rayner was born in Stockport, where she attended the state secondary Avondale School. She left school aged 16 whilst pregnant and without any qualifications. She later trained in social care, eventually becoming a trade union representative within Unison, during which time she joined the Labour Party. Selected to contest Ashton-under-Lyne in 2014, Rayner was elected for the seat at the 2015 general election.’
Good for her
Absolutely good for her. But having grown up about 10 miles away I don't see Stockport as that bad, not compared to moss side, cheatham hill, or going out to Oldham or Rochdale.
Same goes for Owen Jones grew up in Stockport both parents working one as a lecturer. Its not the worst place in the world.
38 is the magic number for a majority in Sunderland. Labour had 51 yesterday, currently down to 45 with another 13 wards still to declare, including two double-headers. I think Fergie called this "squeaky bum time"
Currently I believe that Labour are up to 44 (he's counting undeclared as no change until declared), with 11 seats left (both double headers declared, 3 Lab hold, 1 Con gain), so 33 to 44 the possible range.
Has any opposition leader had a poor first election and gone on to win a general election? I believe Thatcher, Blair and Cameron all did rather well (and I can’t be arsed to trawl further back than that).
I would imagine it’s an ominous sign, if you’re associated with being a loser early on it becomes hard to shake that label.
They might have to go the full Angela Rayner. Provincial working class giantess.
If that doesn’t work, disband
They need someone who gets the modern provincial working class. Starmer seems to have a caricature in his head from the 1970s.
Yes exactly. I think a white provincial working class woman like Rayner could work well. She’s not to everyone’s taste, but nor is Boris, and he’s doing OK
It is the obvious next move. After that, I run out of potential moves for Labour
Without Scotland, perhaps they are simply finished
But Rayner is not provincial. She is from Manchester.
She has a remarkable back story
‘Rayner was born in Stockport, where she attended the state secondary Avondale School. She left school aged 16 whilst pregnant and without any qualifications. She later trained in social care, eventually becoming a trade union representative within Unison, during which time she joined the Labour Party. Selected to contest Ashton-under-Lyne in 2014, Rayner was elected for the seat at the 2015 general election.’
Good for her
Absolutely good for her. But having grown up about 10 miles away I don't see Stockport as that bad, not compared to moss side, cheatham hill, or going out to Oldham or Rochdale.
Same goes for Owen Jones grew up in Stockport both parents working one as a lecturer. Its not the worst place in the world.
Politico.com - MAGA world pans [US Rep Elise] Stefanik Donald Trump’s populist base has serious issues with the New York congresswoman who’s poised to replace Rep. Liz Cheney.
. . . Within minutes of Trump’s endorsement of the New York congresswoman for GOP conference chair on Wednesday, top MAGA voices erupted in anger — a rare break with the former president. The invective aimed at Stefanik, who was perceived to be insufficiently conservative and a relative newcomer to the Trump cause, continued to zoom through the MAGA-sphere on Thursday. . . .
Has any opposition leader had a poor first election and gone on to win a general election? I believe Thatcher, Blair and Cameron all did rather well (and I can’t be arsed to trawl further back than that).
I would imagine it’s an ominous sign, if you’re associated with being a loser early on it becomes hard to shake that label.
They might have to go the full Angela Rayner. Provincial working class giantess.
If that doesn’t work, disband
They need someone who gets the modern provincial working class. Starmer seems to have a caricature in his head from the 1970s.
Yes exactly. I think a white provincial working class woman like Rayner could work well. She’s not to everyone’s taste, but nor is Boris, and he’s doing OK
It is the obvious next move. After that, I run out of potential moves for Labour
Without Scotland, perhaps they are simply finished
But Rayner is not provincial. She is from Manchester.
She has a remarkable back story
‘Rayner was born in Stockport, where she attended the state secondary Avondale School. She left school aged 16 whilst pregnant and without any qualifications. She later trained in social care, eventually becoming a trade union representative within Unison, during which time she joined the Labour Party. Selected to contest Ashton-under-Lyne in 2014, Rayner was elected for the seat at the 2015 general election.’
Good for her
Absolutely good for her. But having grown up about 10 miles away I don't see Stockport as that bad, not compared to moss side, cheatham hill, or going out to Oldham or Rochdale.
Same goes for Owen Jones grew up in Stockport both parents working one as a lecturer. Its not the worst place in the world.
When did we last have a single Mum prime minister from Stockport?
I appreciate Stockport is considerably nicer than Moss Side, but Rayner is no Etonian. It would be nice to have an actual working class Brit with a poor and difficult background, in number 10. Someone who doesn’t feel entitled to the job. Refreshing
Image-wise, this is where Labour needs to go, even if Rayner isn’t The One
Has any opposition leader had a poor first election and gone on to win a general election? I believe Thatcher, Blair and Cameron all did rather well (and I can’t be arsed to trawl further back than that).
I would imagine it’s an ominous sign, if you’re associated with being a loser early on it becomes hard to shake that label.
They might have to go the full Angela Rayner. Provincial working class giantess.
If that doesn’t work, disband
They need someone who gets the modern provincial working class. Starmer seems to have a caricature in his head from the 1970s.
Yes exactly. I think a white provincial working class woman like Rayner could work well. She’s not to everyone’s taste, but nor is Boris, and he’s doing OK
It is the obvious next move. After that, I run out of potential moves for Labour
Without Scotland, perhaps they are simply finished
But Rayner is not provincial. She is from Manchester.
She has a remarkable back story
‘Rayner was born in Stockport, where she attended the state secondary Avondale School. She left school aged 16 whilst pregnant and without any qualifications. She later trained in social care, eventually becoming a trade union representative within Unison, during which time she joined the Labour Party. Selected to contest Ashton-under-Lyne in 2014, Rayner was elected for the seat at the 2015 general election.’
Good for her
Absolutely good for her. But having grown up about 10 miles away I don't see Stockport as that bad, not compared to moss side, cheatham hill, or going out to Oldham or Rochdale.
Same goes for Owen Jones grew up in Stockport both parents working one as a lecturer. Its not the worst place in the world.
How many transfers does Khan get? Not a vast number I would guess. Probably enough though.
Seismic for him to lose London. Literally, unthinkable. Unless the capital has had an influx of a couple of million Hong Kong soft furnishings salesmen.....
How many transfers does Khan get? Not a vast number I would guess. Probably enough though.
Seismic for him to lose London. Literally, unthinkable. Unless the capital has had an influx of a couple of million Hong Kong soft furnishings salesmen.....
Has any opposition leader had a poor first election and gone on to win a general election? I believe Thatcher, Blair and Cameron all did rather well (and I can’t be arsed to trawl further back than that).
I would imagine it’s an ominous sign, if you’re associated with being a loser early on it becomes hard to shake that label.
They might have to go the full Angela Rayner. Provincial working class giantess.
If that doesn’t work, disband
They need someone who gets the modern provincial working class. Starmer seems to have a caricature in his head from the 1970s.
Yes exactly. I think a white provincial working class woman like Rayner could work well. She’s not to everyone’s taste, but nor is Boris, and he’s doing OK
It is the obvious next move. After that, I run out of potential moves for Labour
Without Scotland, perhaps they are simply finished
But Rayner is not provincial. She is from Manchester.
That's provincial compared to North London.
She is OK, but I don't listen to her and hear small town Britain. She sounds just like the city dwelling middle class activist types I know across the UK, who don't know anyone who votes Tory or voted for Brexit. The anger she shows and that of the people trying to cancel Brexit sound the same to me There is a disconnect between the evidence (votes) and their experience (twitter and friendship bubble) which means they cannot hear. This is fundamental to Labours current problems.
She’s really not middle class. She’s echt working class. A single Mum from a Stockport comp with no GCSEs who made it to MP and deputy leader? That’s admirable, however you spin it
But this Palestine stuff is depressing, however righteous. They all get captured by this
Of course she's middle class. Unless she still lives on the estate. She will now live a middle class life unrelated to her previous experience growing up.
How many transfers does Khan get? Not a vast number I would guess. Probably enough though.
Seismic for him to lose London. Literally, unthinkable. Unless the capital has had an influx of a couple of million Hong Kong soft furnishings salesmen.....
Do Hong Kong British passports overseas holders get the automatic right to vote like commonwealth citizens?
The problem is not the leader of Labour, as I've said before, its that Labour is a fundamentally broken institution, with an appeal that is too narrow.
I'm not sure the appeal is too much of a problem but the demography is now v-unfavourable.
Is this the Cummings effect: pushing the conservatives to grasp the disenfranchised lower-middle incomes?
Part Cummings; part Boris. Broken record mode ON. Boris won in 2019 by running on Labour's 2017 platform.
So why vote Labour in 2021? More nurses? More infrastructure spending? More investment up north? You can get all those from Boris.
I suppose the Labour party will have to grin and bear it for the foreseeable.
For me this is what happens when you loose your party's base through triangulation. Its just that the home counties are yet to feel the political alienation of the northern small towners.
Has any opposition leader had a poor first election and gone on to win a general election? I believe Thatcher, Blair and Cameron all did rather well (and I can’t be arsed to trawl further back than that).
I would imagine it’s an ominous sign, if you’re associated with being a loser early on it becomes hard to shake that label.
They might have to go the full Angela Rayner. Provincial working class giantess.
If that doesn’t work, disband
They need someone who gets the modern provincial working class. Starmer seems to have a caricature in his head from the 1970s.
Yes exactly. I think a white provincial working class woman like Rayner could work well. She’s not to everyone’s taste, but nor is Boris, and he’s doing OK
It is the obvious next move. After that, I run out of potential moves for Labour
Without Scotland, perhaps they are simply finished
But Rayner is not provincial. She is from Manchester.
That's provincial compared to North London.
She is OK, but I don't listen to her and hear small town Britain. She sounds just like the city dwelling middle class activist types I know across the UK, who don't know anyone who votes Tory or voted for Brexit. The anger she shows and that of the people trying to cancel Brexit sound the same to me There is a disconnect between the evidence (votes) and their experience (twitter and friendship bubble) which means they cannot hear. This is fundamental to Labours current problems.
She’s really not middle class. She’s echt working class. A single Mum from a Stockport comp with no GCSEs who made it to MP and deputy leader? That’s admirable, however you spin it
But this Palestine stuff is depressing, however righteous. They all get captured by this
Of course she's middle class. Unless she still lives on the estate. She will now live a middle class life unrelated to her previous experience growing up.
Absurd. She left school at 16 with no qualifications, and pregnant. Her mother could not read or write.
She has fought through all this to become deputy leader of Labour. It is an inspirational story. She is not middle class. She’s working class but ambitious. This is exactly the ‘kind’ of leader that Labour needs, even if she is not the one herself, in the end
Has any opposition leader had a poor first election and gone on to win a general election? I believe Thatcher, Blair and Cameron all did rather well (and I can’t be arsed to trawl further back than that).
I would imagine it’s an ominous sign, if you’re associated with being a loser early on it becomes hard to shake that label.
They might have to go the full Angela Rayner. Provincial working class giantess.
If that doesn’t work, disband
They need someone who gets the modern provincial working class. Starmer seems to have a caricature in his head from the 1970s.
Yes exactly. I think a white provincial working class woman like Rayner could work well. She’s not to everyone’s taste, but nor is Boris, and he’s doing OK
It is the obvious next move. After that, I run out of potential moves for Labour
Without Scotland, perhaps they are simply finished
But Rayner is not provincial. She is from Manchester.
She has a remarkable back story
‘Rayner was born in Stockport, where she attended the state secondary Avondale School. She left school aged 16 whilst pregnant and without any qualifications. She later trained in social care, eventually becoming a trade union representative within Unison, during which time she joined the Labour Party. Selected to contest Ashton-under-Lyne in 2014, Rayner was elected for the seat at the 2015 general election.’
Good for her
Absolutely good for her. But having grown up about 10 miles away I don't see Stockport as that bad, not compared to moss side, cheatham hill, or going out to Oldham or Rochdale.
Same goes for Owen Jones grew up in Stockport both parents working one as a lecturer. Its not the worst place in the world.
"Grew up in Stockport? Luxury!"
Where I grew up was just as good if not slightly better, it just winds me up that in the great story of Labour that somehow Stockport is massively deprived. If you asked anyone from the North West to list the worst areas it would be a long time until they got to Stockport.
How many transfers does Khan get? Not a vast number I would guess. Probably enough though.
Seismic for him to lose London. Literally, unthinkable. Unless the capital has had an influx of a couple of million Hong Kong soft furnishings salesmen.....
Do Hong Kong British passports overseas holders get the automatic right to vote like commonwealth citizens?
Politico.com - MAGA world pans [US Rep Elise] Stefanik Donald Trump’s populist base has serious issues with the New York congresswoman who’s poised to replace Rep. Liz Cheney.
. . . Within minutes of Trump’s endorsement of the New York congresswoman for GOP conference chair on Wednesday, top MAGA voices erupted in anger — a rare break with the former president. The invective aimed at Stefanik, who was perceived to be insufficiently conservative and a relative newcomer to the Trump cause, continued to zoom through the MAGA-sphere on Thursday. . . .
How many transfers does Khan get? Not a vast number I would guess. Probably enough though.
Seismic for him to lose London. Literally, unthinkable. Unless the capital has had an influx of a couple of million Hong Kong soft furnishings salesmen.....
Do Hong Kong British passports overseas holders get the automatic right to vote like commonwealth citizens?
Politico.com - MAGA world pans [US Rep Elise] Stefanik Donald Trump’s populist base has serious issues with the New York congresswoman who’s poised to replace Rep. Liz Cheney.
. . . Within minutes of Trump’s endorsement of the New York congresswoman for GOP conference chair on Wednesday, top MAGA voices erupted in anger — a rare break with the former president. The invective aimed at Stefanik, who was perceived to be insufficiently conservative and a relative newcomer to the Trump cause, continued to zoom through the MAGA-sphere on Thursday. . . .
Do you think Trump is expecting inducements for his patronage?
Doubt it. Not because he wouldn't IF he needed the money. But right now he's raking it in from the MAGA maniacs, and of course raking his personal cut off the top (expenses, you know).
How many transfers does Khan get? Not a vast number I would guess. Probably enough though.
Seismic for him to lose London. Literally, unthinkable. Unless the capital has had an influx of a couple of million Hong Kong soft furnishings salesmen.....
Do Hong Kong British passports overseas holders get the automatic right to vote like commonwealth citizens?
Politico.com - MAGA world pans [US Rep Elise] Stefanik Donald Trump’s populist base has serious issues with the New York congresswoman who’s poised to replace Rep. Liz Cheney.
. . . Within minutes of Trump’s endorsement of the New York congresswoman for GOP conference chair on Wednesday, top MAGA voices erupted in anger — a rare break with the former president. The invective aimed at Stefanik, who was perceived to be insufficiently conservative and a relative newcomer to the Trump cause, continued to zoom through the MAGA-sphere on Thursday. . . .
Do you think Trump is expecting inducements for his patronage?
Doubt it. Not because he wouldn't IF he needed the money. But right now he's raking it in from the MAGA maniacs, and of course raking his personal cut off the top (expenses, you know).
Say what you like about Donald Trump, at least he paid for his own gold wallpaper.
Politico.com - MAGA world pans [US Rep Elise] Stefanik Donald Trump’s populist base has serious issues with the New York congresswoman who’s poised to replace Rep. Liz Cheney.
. . . Within minutes of Trump’s endorsement of the New York congresswoman for GOP conference chair on Wednesday, top MAGA voices erupted in anger — a rare break with the former president. The invective aimed at Stefanik, who was perceived to be insufficiently conservative and a relative newcomer to the Trump cause, continued to zoom through the MAGA-sphere on Thursday. . . .
Do you think Trump is expecting inducements for his patronage?
Doubt it. Not because he wouldn't IF he needed the money. But right now he's raking it in from the MAGA maniacs, and of course raking his personal cut off the top (expenses, you know).
Say what you like about Donald Trump, at least he paid for his own gold wallpaper.
Did he? I thought it has been alleged that he was rather keen on using his charity as a personal piggy bank.
Has any opposition leader had a poor first election and gone on to win a general election? I believe Thatcher, Blair and Cameron all did rather well (and I can’t be arsed to trawl further back than that).
I would imagine it’s an ominous sign, if you’re associated with being a loser early on it becomes hard to shake that label.
They might have to go the full Angela Rayner. Provincial working class giantess.
If that doesn’t work, disband
They need someone who gets the modern provincial working class. Starmer seems to have a caricature in his head from the 1970s.
Yes exactly. I think a white provincial working class woman like Rayner could work well. She’s not to everyone’s taste, but nor is Boris, and he’s doing OK
It is the obvious next move. After that, I run out of potential moves for Labour
Without Scotland, perhaps they are simply finished
But Rayner is not provincial. She is from Manchester.
She has a remarkable back story
‘Rayner was born in Stockport, where she attended the state secondary Avondale School. She left school aged 16 whilst pregnant and without any qualifications. She later trained in social care, eventually becoming a trade union representative within Unison, during which time she joined the Labour Party. Selected to contest Ashton-under-Lyne in 2014, Rayner was elected for the seat at the 2015 general election.’
Good for her
Absolutely good for her. But having grown up about 10 miles away I don't see Stockport as that bad, not compared to moss side, cheatham hill, or going out to Oldham or Rochdale.
Same goes for Owen Jones grew up in Stockport both parents working one as a lecturer. Its not the worst place in the world.
"Grew up in Stockport? Luxury!"
Where I grew up was just as good if not slightly better, it just winds me up that in the great story of Labour that somehow Stockport is massively deprived. If you asked anyone from the North West to list the worst areas it would be a long time until they got to Stockport.
Was just joking. But of course everything is relative.
Personally grew up in (what was then) a reasonably prosperous corner of a pretty depressed state (even then), West Virginia.
From point of view of an upscale suburb, my county would appear like Dogpatch. But from perspective of a TRULY impoverished area, would look like a little slice of heaven.
Which is why many left the true back of beyond to relocate there, back in the day (1955 to 1985)
Has any opposition leader had a poor first election and gone on to win a general election? I believe Thatcher, Blair and Cameron all did rather well (and I can’t be arsed to trawl further back than that).
I would imagine it’s an ominous sign, if you’re associated with being a loser early on it becomes hard to shake that label.
They might have to go the full Angela Rayner. Provincial working class giantess.
If that doesn’t work, disband
They need someone who gets the modern provincial working class. Starmer seems to have a caricature in his head from the 1970s.
Yes exactly. I think a white provincial working class woman like Rayner could work well. She’s not to everyone’s taste, but nor is Boris, and he’s doing OK
It is the obvious next move. After that, I run out of potential moves for Labour
Without Scotland, perhaps they are simply finished
But Rayner is not provincial. She is from Manchester.
She has a remarkable back story
‘Rayner was born in Stockport, where she attended the state secondary Avondale School. She left school aged 16 whilst pregnant and without any qualifications. She later trained in social care, eventually becoming a trade union representative within Unison, during which time she joined the Labour Party. Selected to contest Ashton-under-Lyne in 2014, Rayner was elected for the seat at the 2015 general election.’
Good for her
Absolutely good for her. But having grown up about 10 miles away I don't see Stockport as that bad, not compared to moss side, cheatham hill, or going out to Oldham or Rochdale.
Same goes for Owen Jones grew up in Stockport both parents working one as a lecturer. Its not the worst place in the world.
"Grew up in Stockport? Luxury!"
Where I grew up was just as good if not slightly better, it just winds me up that in the great story of Labour that somehow Stockport is massively deprived. If you asked anyone from the North West to list the worst areas it would be a long time until they got to Stockport.
Was just joking. But of course everything is relative.
Personally grew up in (what was then) a reasonably prosperous corner of a pretty depressed state (even then), West Virginia.
From point of view of an upscale suburb, my county would appear like Dogpatch. But from perspective of a TRULY impoverished area, would look like a little slice of heaven.
Which is why many left the true back of beyond to relocate there, back in the day (1955 to 1985)
Is Dogpatch used as an expression? I only know it as an area of San Francisco.
Politico.com - MAGA world pans [US Rep Elise] Stefanik Donald Trump’s populist base has serious issues with the New York congresswoman who’s poised to replace Rep. Liz Cheney.
. . . Within minutes of Trump’s endorsement of the New York congresswoman for GOP conference chair on Wednesday, top MAGA voices erupted in anger — a rare break with the former president. The invective aimed at Stefanik, who was perceived to be insufficiently conservative and a relative newcomer to the Trump cause, continued to zoom through the MAGA-sphere on Thursday. . . .
Do you think Trump is expecting inducements for his patronage?
Doubt it. Not because he wouldn't IF he needed the money. But right now he's raking it in from the MAGA maniacs, and of course raking his personal cut off the top (expenses, you know).
Say what you like about Donald Trump, at least he paid for his own gold wallpaper.
Don't bet on it! Secret of his "success" is to ALWAYS let somebody else pick up the tab, one way or another.
Politico.com - MAGA world pans [US Rep Elise] Stefanik Donald Trump’s populist base has serious issues with the New York congresswoman who’s poised to replace Rep. Liz Cheney.
. . . Within minutes of Trump’s endorsement of the New York congresswoman for GOP conference chair on Wednesday, top MAGA voices erupted in anger — a rare break with the former president. The invective aimed at Stefanik, who was perceived to be insufficiently conservative and a relative newcomer to the Trump cause, continued to zoom through the MAGA-sphere on Thursday. . . .
Do you think Trump is expecting inducements for his patronage?
Doubt it. Not because he wouldn't IF he needed the money. But right now he's raking it in from the MAGA maniacs, and of course raking his personal cut off the top (expenses, you know).
I suppose the party is just further beholden to the man.
Not knowing anything about Republican machinations I was assuming one of the acolytes was in with a chance, Pompeo in particular. but could a Trump be on the ticket 2024?
The problem is not the leader of Labour, as I've said before, its that Labour is a fundamentally broken institution, with an appeal that is too narrow.
I'm not sure the appeal is too much of a problem but the demography is now v-unfavourable.
Is this the Cummings effect: pushing the conservatives to grasp the disenfranchised lower-middle incomes?
Part Cummings; part Boris. Broken record mode ON. Boris won in 2019 by running on Labour's 2017 platform.
So why vote Labour in 2021? More nurses? More infrastructure spending? More investment up north? You can get all those from Boris.
I suppose the Labour party will have to grin and bear it for the foreseeable.
For me this is what happens when you loose your party's base through triangulation. Its just that the home counties are yet to feel the political alienation of the northern small towners.
Theresa May spoke about the JAMs who had lost out under Cameron. Just About Managing. Maybe those small-C conservative JAMs are the Tory equivalent of Labour's lost voters left behind.
Has any opposition leader had a poor first election and gone on to win a general election? I believe Thatcher, Blair and Cameron all did rather well (and I can’t be arsed to trawl further back than that).
I would imagine it’s an ominous sign, if you’re associated with being a loser early on it becomes hard to shake that label.
They might have to go the full Angela Rayner. Provincial working class giantess.
If that doesn’t work, disband
They need someone who gets the modern provincial working class. Starmer seems to have a caricature in his head from the 1970s.
Yes exactly. I think a white provincial working class woman like Rayner could work well. She’s not to everyone’s taste, but nor is Boris, and he’s doing OK
It is the obvious next move. After that, I run out of potential moves for Labour
Without Scotland, perhaps they are simply finished
But Rayner is not provincial. She is from Manchester.
She has a remarkable back story
‘Rayner was born in Stockport, where she attended the state secondary Avondale School. She left school aged 16 whilst pregnant and without any qualifications. She later trained in social care, eventually becoming a trade union representative within Unison, during which time she joined the Labour Party. Selected to contest Ashton-under-Lyne in 2014, Rayner was elected for the seat at the 2015 general election.’
Good for her
Absolutely good for her. But having grown up about 10 miles away I don't see Stockport as that bad, not compared to moss side, cheatham hill, or going out to Oldham or Rochdale.
Same goes for Owen Jones grew up in Stockport both parents working one as a lecturer. Its not the worst place in the world.
"Grew up in Stockport? Luxury!"
Where I grew up was just as good if not slightly better, it just winds me up that in the great story of Labour that somehow Stockport is massively deprived. If you asked anyone from the North West to list the worst areas it would be a long time until they got to Stockport.
Was just joking. But of course everything is relative.
Personally grew up in (what was then) a reasonably prosperous corner of a pretty depressed state (even then), West Virginia.
From point of view of an upscale suburb, my county would appear like Dogpatch. But from perspective of a TRULY impoverished area, would look like a little slice of heaven.
Which is why many left the true back of beyond to relocate there, back in the day (1955 to 1985)
Is Dogpatch used as an expression? I only know it as an area of San Francisco.
Dogpatch is from the classic US comix strip "Li'l Abner" it was hillbilly heaven, presumably somewhere in deepest, darkest Appalachia.
In words of creator Andy Capp:
Dogpatch was "an average stone-age community nestled in a bleak valley, between two cheap and uninteresting hills somewhere." The inhabitants were mostly lazy hillbillies, who usually wanted nothing to do with progress. Li'l Abner's backwater hometown chiefly consisted of dismal log cabin hovels, pine trees, “tarnip” fields and hog wallows—and was often referred to by its inhabitants and outsiders as being the most miserable and unnecessary place on earth. The menfolk were too lazy to work, yet Dogpatch gals were desperate enough to chase them (see Sadie Hawkins Day). Those who farmed their turnip fields watched Turnip Termites swarm by the billions once a year, locust-like, to devour Dogpatch's only crop (along with their livestock and all their clothing.)
With results like this, Boris can surely get away with literally anything.
Wait. It’s just Leave areas so far
However, this may not be a problem for Bojo. My guess is Leave voters are rewarding him for seeing thru Brexit, and respecting British democracy. At the same time Remainers are apathetic and split, multiple ways. So he wins
Politico.com - MAGA world pans [US Rep Elise] Stefanik Donald Trump’s populist base has serious issues with the New York congresswoman who’s poised to replace Rep. Liz Cheney.
. . . Within minutes of Trump’s endorsement of the New York congresswoman for GOP conference chair on Wednesday, top MAGA voices erupted in anger — a rare break with the former president. The invective aimed at Stefanik, who was perceived to be insufficiently conservative and a relative newcomer to the Trump cause, continued to zoom through the MAGA-sphere on Thursday. . . .
Do you think Trump is expecting inducements for his patronage?
Doubt it. Not because he wouldn't IF he needed the money. But right now he's raking it in from the MAGA maniacs, and of course raking his personal cut off the top (expenses, you know).
Say what you like about Donald Trump, at least he paid for his own gold wallpaper.
Did he? I thought it has been alleged that he was rather keen on using his charity as a personal piggy bank.
The problem is not the leader of Labour, as I've said before, its that Labour is a fundamentally broken institution, with an appeal that is too narrow.
I'm not sure the appeal is too much of a problem but the demography is now v-unfavourable.
Is this the Cummings effect: pushing the conservatives to grasp the disenfranchised lower-middle incomes?
Part Cummings; part Boris. Broken record mode ON. Boris won in 2019 by running on Labour's 2017 platform.
So why vote Labour in 2021? More nurses? More infrastructure spending? More investment up north? You can get all those from Boris.
I suppose the Labour party will have to grin and bear it for the foreseeable.
For me this is what happens when you loose your party's base through triangulation. Its just that the home counties are yet to feel the political alienation of the northern small towners.
Theresa May spoke about the JAMs who had lost out under Cameron. Just About Managing. Maybe those small-C conservative JAMs are the Tory equivalent of Labour's lost voters left behind.
And a good proportion will be having to fund the cladding work on their mis-sold high rises.
Wow, seen someone semi-credible on twitter claiming that they think that Con wins Hartlepool by 20pts.
Is that Starmer has to go territory?
No.
(1) There's no obvious and credible replacement (2) There's no mechanism (3) A new leader doesn't solve the fundamental strategic challenges Labour has
Plus:
(4) Tomorrow and the weekend will be better days for Labour. This evening, this is Red Wall Thursday, where we saw from 2019 that Labour was getting absolutely hammered. Most of these results are just the trends from last GE confirmed. By contrast Labour will do better in metropolitan areas and Scotland than previously.
Politico.com - MAGA world pans [US Rep Elise] Stefanik Donald Trump’s populist base has serious issues with the New York congresswoman who’s poised to replace Rep. Liz Cheney.
. . . Within minutes of Trump’s endorsement of the New York congresswoman for GOP conference chair on Wednesday, top MAGA voices erupted in anger — a rare break with the former president. The invective aimed at Stefanik, who was perceived to be insufficiently conservative and a relative newcomer to the Trump cause, continued to zoom through the MAGA-sphere on Thursday. . . .
Do you think Trump is expecting inducements for his patronage?
Doubt it. Not because he wouldn't IF he needed the money. But right now he's raking it in from the MAGA maniacs, and of course raking his personal cut off the top (expenses, you know).
Say what you like about Donald Trump, at least he paid for his own gold wallpaper.
Don't bet on it! Secret of his "success" is to ALWAYS let somebody else pick up the tab, one way or another.
Always.
Since Trump was paying no tax and stiffing most of his contractors...
Politico.com - MAGA world pans [US Rep Elise] Stefanik Donald Trump’s populist base has serious issues with the New York congresswoman who’s poised to replace Rep. Liz Cheney.
. . . Within minutes of Trump’s endorsement of the New York congresswoman for GOP conference chair on Wednesday, top MAGA voices erupted in anger — a rare break with the former president. The invective aimed at Stefanik, who was perceived to be insufficiently conservative and a relative newcomer to the Trump cause, continued to zoom through the MAGA-sphere on Thursday. . . .
Do you think Trump is expecting inducements for his patronage?
Doubt it. Not because he wouldn't IF he needed the money. But right now he's raking it in from the MAGA maniacs, and of course raking his personal cut off the top (expenses, you know).
I suppose the party is just further beholden to the man.
Not knowing anything about Republican machinations I was assuming one of the acolytes was in with a chance, Pompeo in particular. but could a Trump be on the ticket 2024?
Pompeo is NOT a hot prospect, though he'd like to be. De Santis is currently leading the rabid Republican pack.
Trumpsky do a Grover Cleveland? Or try to?
My guess is that The Donald would rather be Kingmaker than Kingfish = POTUS.
Has any opposition leader had a poor first election and gone on to win a general election? I believe Thatcher, Blair and Cameron all did rather well (and I can’t be arsed to trawl further back than that).
I would imagine it’s an ominous sign, if you’re associated with being a loser early on it becomes hard to shake that label.
They might have to go the full Angela Rayner. Provincial working class giantess.
If that doesn’t work, disband
They need someone who gets the modern provincial working class. Starmer seems to have a caricature in his head from the 1970s.
Yes exactly. I think a white provincial working class woman like Rayner could work well. She’s not to everyone’s taste, but nor is Boris, and he’s doing OK
It is the obvious next move. After that, I run out of potential moves for Labour
Without Scotland, perhaps they are simply finished
But Rayner is not provincial. She is from Manchester.
That's provincial compared to North London.
She is OK, but I don't listen to her and hear small town Britain. She sounds just like the city dwelling middle class activist types I know across the UK, who don't know anyone who votes Tory or voted for Brexit. The anger she shows and that of the people trying to cancel Brexit sound the same to me There is a disconnect between the evidence (votes) and their experience (twitter and friendship bubble) which means they cannot hear. This is fundamental to Labours current problems.
She’s really not middle class. She’s echt working class. A single Mum from a Stockport comp with no GCSEs who made it to MP and deputy leader? That’s admirable, however you spin it
But this Palestine stuff is depressing, however righteous. They all get captured by this
Of course she's middle class. Unless she still lives on the estate. She will now live a middle class life unrelated to her previous experience growing up.
Absurd. She left school at 16 with no qualifications, and pregnant. Her mother could not read or write.
She has fought through all this to become deputy leader of Labour. It is an inspirational story. She is not middle class. She’s working class but ambitious. This is exactly the ‘kind’ of leader that Labour needs, even if she is not the one herself, in the end
Labour needs to try something very new.
Through the poor character of Brown and Corbyn, rivals were torpedoed. This is the result - trying something new rather than trying something popular or electable
Politico.com - MAGA world pans [US Rep Elise] Stefanik Donald Trump’s populist base has serious issues with the New York congresswoman who’s poised to replace Rep. Liz Cheney.
. . . Within minutes of Trump’s endorsement of the New York congresswoman for GOP conference chair on Wednesday, top MAGA voices erupted in anger — a rare break with the former president. The invective aimed at Stefanik, who was perceived to be insufficiently conservative and a relative newcomer to the Trump cause, continued to zoom through the MAGA-sphere on Thursday. . . .
Do you think Trump is expecting inducements for his patronage?
Doubt it. Not because he wouldn't IF he needed the money. But right now he's raking it in from the MAGA maniacs, and of course raking his personal cut off the top (expenses, you know).
Say what you like about Donald Trump, at least he paid for his own gold wallpaper.
Don't bet on it! Secret of his "success" is to ALWAYS let somebody else pick up the tab, one way or another.
Always.
Since Trump was paying no tax and stiffing most of his contractors...
Politico.com - MAGA world pans [US Rep Elise] Stefanik Donald Trump’s populist base has serious issues with the New York congresswoman who’s poised to replace Rep. Liz Cheney.
. . . Within minutes of Trump’s endorsement of the New York congresswoman for GOP conference chair on Wednesday, top MAGA voices erupted in anger — a rare break with the former president. The invective aimed at Stefanik, who was perceived to be insufficiently conservative and a relative newcomer to the Trump cause, continued to zoom through the MAGA-sphere on Thursday. . . .
Do you think Trump is expecting inducements for his patronage?
Doubt it. Not because he wouldn't IF he needed the money. But right now he's raking it in from the MAGA maniacs, and of course raking his personal cut off the top (expenses, you know).
Say what you like about Donald Trump, at least he paid for his own gold wallpaper.
Did he? I thought it has been alleged that he was rather keen on using his charity as a personal piggy bank.
Politico.com - MAGA world pans [US Rep Elise] Stefanik Donald Trump’s populist base has serious issues with the New York congresswoman who’s poised to replace Rep. Liz Cheney.
. . . Within minutes of Trump’s endorsement of the New York congresswoman for GOP conference chair on Wednesday, top MAGA voices erupted in anger — a rare break with the former president. The invective aimed at Stefanik, who was perceived to be insufficiently conservative and a relative newcomer to the Trump cause, continued to zoom through the MAGA-sphere on Thursday. . . .
Do you think Trump is expecting inducements for his patronage?
Doubt it. Not because he wouldn't IF he needed the money. But right now he's raking it in from the MAGA maniacs, and of course raking his personal cut off the top (expenses, you know).
Say what you like about Donald Trump, at least he paid for his own gold wallpaper.
Did he? I thought it has been alleged that he was rather keen on using his charity as a personal piggy bank.
Wow, seen someone semi-credible on twitter claiming that they think that Con wins Hartlepool by 20pts.
Gadzooks.
To be fair, we're seeing Cons hoovering up the UKIP/BXP vote everywhere, which would be consistent with a victory of that margin in Hartlepool.
Just on the number from last time 5k majority and on on decreased turnout less. The worry for labour must be what is seen elsewhere - Tories not just picking up bxt party but exceeding it
Wow, seen someone semi-credible on twitter claiming that they think that Con wins Hartlepool by 20pts.
Is that Starmer has to go territory?
No.
(1) There's no obvious and credible replacement (2) There's no mechanism (3) A new leader doesn't solve the fundamental strategic challenges Labour has
Plus:
(4) Tomorrow and the weekend will be better days for Labour. This evening, this is Red Wall Thursday, where we saw from 2019 that Labour was getting absolutely hammered. Most of these results are just the trends from last GE confirmed. By contrast Labour will do better in metropolitan areas and Scotland than previously.
Not at all sure they will do better in Scotland. Mood music suggests a polarizing tendency behind the Nats and the Tories
Politico.com - MAGA world pans [US Rep Elise] Stefanik Donald Trump’s populist base has serious issues with the New York congresswoman who’s poised to replace Rep. Liz Cheney.
. . . Within minutes of Trump’s endorsement of the New York congresswoman for GOP conference chair on Wednesday, top MAGA voices erupted in anger — a rare break with the former president. The invective aimed at Stefanik, who was perceived to be insufficiently conservative and a relative newcomer to the Trump cause, continued to zoom through the MAGA-sphere on Thursday. . . .
Do you think Trump is expecting inducements for his patronage?
Doubt it. Not because he wouldn't IF he needed the money. But right now he's raking it in from the MAGA maniacs, and of course raking his personal cut off the top (expenses, you know).
Say what you like about Donald Trump, at least he paid for his own gold wallpaper.
Did he? I thought it has been alleged that he was rather keen on using his charity as a personal piggy bank.
Wow, seen someone semi-credible on twitter claiming that they think that Con wins Hartlepool by 20pts.
Gadzooks.
To be fair, we're seeing Cons hoovering up the UKIP/BXP vote everywhere, which would be consistent with a victory of that margin in Hartlepool.
Just on the number from last time 5k majority and on on decreased turnout less. The worry for labour must be what is seen elsewhere - Tories not just picking up bxt party but exceeding it
I forecast Con 13k vs 11.5k for Lab. I think my Lab number will only be slightly out, but Cons will be around 16-17k.
Wow, seen someone semi-credible on twitter claiming that they think that Con wins Hartlepool by 20pts.
Is that Starmer has to go territory?
No.
(1) There's no obvious and credible replacement (2) There's no mechanism (3) A new leader doesn't solve the fundamental strategic challenges Labour has
Plus:
(4) Tomorrow and the weekend will be better days for Labour. This evening, this is Red Wall Thursday, where we saw from 2019 that Labour was getting absolutely hammered. Most of these results are just the trends from last GE confirmed. By contrast Labour will do better in metropolitan areas and Scotland than previously.
Not at all sure they will do better in Scotland. Mood music suggests a polarizing tendency behind the Nats and the Tories
I think Cons will lose seats in Scotland, while Labour will stand still. I think it's entirely possible Labour will be back in second place in Scotland.
Has any opposition leader had a poor first election and gone on to win a general election? I believe Thatcher, Blair and Cameron all did rather well (and I can’t be arsed to trawl further back than that).
I would imagine it’s an ominous sign, if you’re associated with being a loser early on it becomes hard to shake that label.
They might have to go the full Angela Rayner. Provincial working class giantess.
If that doesn’t work, disband
They need someone who gets the modern provincial working class. Starmer seems to have a caricature in his head from the 1970s.
Yes exactly. I think a white provincial working class woman like Rayner could work well. She’s not to everyone’s taste, but nor is Boris, and he’s doing OK
It is the obvious next move. After that, I run out of potential moves for Labour
Without Scotland, perhaps they are simply finished
But Rayner is not provincial. She is from Manchester.
That's provincial compared to North London.
She is OK, but I don't listen to her and hear small town Britain. She sounds just like the city dwelling middle class activist types I know across the UK, who don't know anyone who votes Tory or voted for Brexit. The anger she shows and that of the people trying to cancel Brexit sound the same to me There is a disconnect between the evidence (votes) and their experience (twitter and friendship bubble) which means they cannot hear. This is fundamental to Labours current problems.
She’s really not middle class. She’s echt working class. A single Mum from a Stockport comp with no GCSEs who made it to MP and deputy leader? That’s admirable, however you spin it
But this Palestine stuff is depressing, however righteous. They all get captured by this
Of course she's middle class. Unless she still lives on the estate. She will now live a middle class life unrelated to her previous experience growing up.
Absurd. She left school at 16 with no qualifications, and pregnant. Her mother could not read or write.
She has fought through all this to become deputy leader of Labour. It is an inspirational story. She is not middle class. She’s working class but ambitious. This is exactly the ‘kind’ of leader that Labour needs, even if she is not the one herself, in the end
Labour needs to try something very new.
Through the poor character of Brown and Corbyn, rivals were torpedoed. This is the result - trying something new rather than trying something popular or electable
That is not really true. Gordon Brown's Cabinet was stuffed with Labour's big beasts and rivals. Nor did Jeremy Corbyn banish the rebels: rather, they self-isolated by refusing to serve.
Politico.com - MAGA world pans [US Rep Elise] Stefanik Donald Trump’s populist base has serious issues with the New York congresswoman who’s poised to replace Rep. Liz Cheney.
. . . Within minutes of Trump’s endorsement of the New York congresswoman for GOP conference chair on Wednesday, top MAGA voices erupted in anger — a rare break with the former president. The invective aimed at Stefanik, who was perceived to be insufficiently conservative and a relative newcomer to the Trump cause, continued to zoom through the MAGA-sphere on Thursday. . . .
Do you think Trump is expecting inducements for his patronage?
Doubt it. Not because he wouldn't IF he needed the money. But right now he's raking it in from the MAGA maniacs, and of course raking his personal cut off the top (expenses, you know).
Say what you like about Donald Trump, at least he paid for his own gold wallpaper.
Did he? I thought it has been alleged that he was rather keen on using his charity as a personal piggy bank.
"Shlomo. @hapoelorient I agree with the #StarmerOut campaign but frankly getting rid of him is not enough. Rather we need an almost total clearout of "Centrist" MPs in the Party who are only in politics for their own career and spend more life going after the Left than holding the Tories to account."
The problem is not the leader of Labour, as I've said before, its that Labour is a fundamentally broken institution, with an appeal that is too narrow.
I'm not sure the appeal is too much of a problem but the demography is now v-unfavourable.
Is this the Cummings effect: pushing the conservatives to grasp the disenfranchised lower-middle incomes?
Part Cummings; part Boris. Broken record mode ON. Boris won in 2019 by running on Labour's 2017 platform.
So why vote Labour in 2021? More nurses? More infrastructure spending? More investment up north? You can get all those from Boris.
I suppose the Labour party will have to grin and bear it for the foreseeable.
For me this is what happens when you loose your party's base through triangulation. Its just that the home counties are yet to feel the political alienation of the northern small towners.
Theresa May spoke about the JAMs who had lost out under Cameron. Just About Managing. Maybe those small-C conservative JAMs are the Tory equivalent of Labour's lost voters left behind.
And a good proportion will be having to fund the cladding work on their mis-sold high rises.
Wow, seen someone semi-credible on twitter claiming that they think that Con wins Hartlepool by 20pts.
Is that Starmer has to go territory?
No.
(1) There's no obvious and credible replacement (2) There's no mechanism (3) A new leader doesn't solve the fundamental strategic challenges Labour has
Plus:
(4) Tomorrow and the weekend will be better days for Labour. This evening, this is Red Wall Thursday, where we saw from 2019 that Labour was getting absolutely hammered. Most of these results are just the trends from last GE confirmed. By contrast Labour will do better in metropolitan areas and Scotland than previously.
Not at all sure they will do better in Scotland. Mood music suggests a polarizing tendency behind the Nats and the Tories
I think Cons will lose seats in Scotland, while Labour will stand still. I think it's entirely possible Labour will be back in second place in Scotland.
The very last polls show Labour 3rd, definitely. And excited tweets since have come from Tories and Nats, not lab (mainly excited by turnout). We shall see
Comments
But this Palestine stuff is depressing, however righteous. They all get captured by this
Same goes for Owen Jones grew up in Stockport both parents working one as a lecturer. Its not the worst place in the world.
2 Lab in Shiney Row
1 Lab and 1 Con in Washington South
Con: 37.0% (+8.5)
Lab: 36.5% (-22.7)
Grn: 16.3% (+16.3)
LDem: 7.5% (-4.0)
UKIP: 2.7% (+2.7)
LOL.
38 is the magic number for a majority in Sunderland.
Labour had 51 yesterday, currently down to 45 with another 13 wards still to declare, including two double-headers.
I think Fergie called this "squeaky bum time"
Currently I believe that Labour are up to 44 (he's counting undeclared as no change until declared), with 11 seats left (both double headers declared, 3 Lab hold, 1 Con gain), so 33 to 44 the possible range.
1 Con and 1 Lab elected.
Defence was 1 Lab (elected in 2016) and 1 Green (elected in 2019)
In 2019 it was Green 24.8 Lab 24.7 Con 19.3 UKIP 18.7
Politico.com - MAGA world pans [US Rep Elise] Stefanik
Donald Trump’s populist base has serious issues with the New York congresswoman who’s poised to replace Rep. Liz Cheney.
. . . Within minutes of Trump’s endorsement of the New York congresswoman for GOP conference chair on Wednesday, top MAGA voices erupted in anger — a rare break with the former president. The invective aimed at Stefanik, who was perceived to be insufficiently conservative and a relative newcomer to the Trump cause, continued to zoom through the MAGA-sphere on Thursday. . . .
https://www.politico.com/news/2021/05/06/elise-stefanik-maga-trump-485584
I appreciate Stockport is considerably nicer than Moss Side, but Rayner is no Etonian. It would be nice to have an actual working class Brit with a poor and difficult background, in number 10. Someone who doesn’t feel entitled to the job. Refreshing
Image-wise, this is where Labour needs to go, even if Rayner isn’t The One
Seismic for him to lose London. Literally, unthinkable. Unless the capital has had an influx of a couple of million Hong Kong soft furnishings salesmen.....
For me this is what happens when you loose your party's base through triangulation. Its just that the home counties are yet to feel the political alienation of the northern small towners.
Con: 55.8% (+26.3)
Lab: 32.7% (-13.8)
Grn: 8.2% (+3.2)
Ind: 3.3% (+3.3)
No UKIP (-17.5) as prev.
Con GAIN from Lab
Con gain council from NOC
Absurd. She left school at 16 with no qualifications, and pregnant. Her mother could not read or write.
She has fought through all this to become deputy leader of Labour. It is an inspirational story. She is not middle class. She’s working class but ambitious. This is exactly the ‘kind’ of leader that Labour needs, even if she is not the one herself, in the end
Labour needs to try something very new.
Perhaps I could prepare a series of bar graphs!
Con: 55.8% (+26.3)
Lab: 32.7% (-13.8)
Grn: 8.2% (+3.2)
Ind: 3.3% (+3.3)
No UKIP (-17.5) as prev.
Con GAIN from Lab"
https://twitter.com/BritainElects/status/1390473482509721600
Looks like it.
What about the stuff you actually control, the bins, the street lights, etc. What are you going to be doing about this.
@BritainElects
Arbury (Nuneaton and Bedworth) council result:
Con: 67.4% (+24.6)
Lab: 25.7% (-9.5)
Grn: 5.4% (-)
Ind: 1.4% (+1.4)
No UKIP (-15.2)
Con HOLD"
https://twitter.com/BritainElects/status/1390474851308167172
Personally grew up in (what was then) a reasonably prosperous corner of a pretty depressed state (even then), West Virginia.
From point of view of an upscale suburb, my county would appear like Dogpatch. But from perspective of a TRULY impoverished area, would look like a little slice of heaven.
Which is why many left the true back of beyond to relocate there, back in the day (1955 to 1985)
Always.
Not knowing anything about Republican machinations I was assuming one of the acolytes was in with a chance, Pompeo in particular. but could a Trump be on the ticket 2024?
The brexiteer hobbits are coming out for Gandalf the White-hair
In words of creator Andy Capp:
Dogpatch was "an average stone-age community nestled in a bleak valley, between two cheap and uninteresting hills somewhere." The inhabitants were mostly lazy hillbillies, who usually wanted nothing to do with progress. Li'l Abner's backwater hometown chiefly consisted of dismal log cabin hovels, pine trees, “tarnip” fields and hog wallows—and was often referred to by its inhabitants and outsiders as being the most miserable and unnecessary place on earth. The menfolk were too lazy to work, yet Dogpatch gals were desperate enough to chase them (see Sadie Hawkins Day). Those who farmed their turnip fields watched Turnip Termites swarm by the billions once a year, locust-like, to devour Dogpatch's only crop (along with their livestock and all their clothing.)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dogpatch
Con: 53.1% (+35.3)
Lab: 33.0% (-15.7)
Grn: 10.9% (+5.6)
Oth: 3.0% (-)
No UKIP (-25.3)
Con GAIN from Lab
However, this may not be a problem for Bojo. My guess is Leave voters are rewarding him for seeing thru Brexit, and respecting British democracy. At the same time Remainers are apathetic and split, multiple ways. So he wins
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ns5bMU4bYKc
(1) There's no obvious and credible replacement
(2) There's no mechanism
(3) A new leader doesn't solve the fundamental strategic challenges Labour has
Plus:
(4) Tomorrow and the weekend will be better days for Labour. This evening, this is Red Wall Thursday, where we saw from 2019 that Labour was getting absolutely hammered. Most of these results are just the trends from last GE confirmed. By contrast Labour will do better in metropolitan areas and Scotland than previously.
"@OwenJones84
This denialism is the problem.
UKIP's vote was higher in Hartlepool in 2015 than the Brexit Party was in 2019.
But in 2017, UKIP's collapse boosted Labour and won it over half the vote.
Why can't Labour pull the same trick with Brexit voters today?"
https://twitter.com/OwenJones84/status/1390423898504708105
Trumpsky do a Grover Cleveland? Or try to?
My guess is that The Donald would rather be Kingmaker than Kingfish = POTUS.
Been there, done that.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frederick_Trump
Lab: 52.0% (+12.3)
Con: 28.4% (+10.5)
LDem: 10.5% (-2.9)
Grn: 6.4% (-0.3)
Oth: 2.7% (+1.3)
No UKIP (-14.6) as prev.
Lab HOLD
More:
Now this is more interesting. Still not amazing for Labour.
Old Heath and The Hythe (Colchester) council result:
Lab: 53.3% (+13.1)
Con: 26.6% (+11.1)
Grn: 10.9% (-5.2)
LDem: 9.1% (-17.6)
Lab HOLD
More:
@hapoelorient
I agree with the #StarmerOut campaign but frankly getting rid of him is not enough. Rather we need an almost total clearout of "Centrist" MPs in the Party who are only in politics for their own career and spend more life going after the Left than holding the Tories to account."
https://twitter.com/hapoelorient/status/1390478650621906944