The Lib Dems look likely to give it a go in Chesham and Amersham – politicalbetting.com
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I think these things can be more of a proxy for political opinion than an actual measure of trustworthiness. Unionist party supporters obviously aren't going to find Salmond trustworthy. And for SNP supporters, they know he's right about Sturgeon, but are furious with him for looking like spoiling the party. That gives him a constituency of independence supporters who don't have a strong enough stomach to stick with Sturgeon's visibly decomposing administration, and as we've seen here, those people are few and far between.CarlottaVance said:
Salmond is rated as less trustworthy than Boris Johnson in Scotland!algarkirk said:
I don't support Nicola politically at all, but greatly admire her. I hope and think that in any contest between her and Salmond she will come first (by a mile); and that in any contest between her and Boris she will come an honourable second.Theuniondivvie said:It's the 'chuckled for several seconds' that's really disturbing. Presumably that's Plan B if Alba are a complete bust.
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South Devon managed to avoid the rain until late afternoon, but it has been 50+ mph wind through the day - nearer 60 mph currently.RochdalePioneers said:How has the weather been for most people today? Her in Buchan its been mostly overcast with sunny spells - but dry and warm enough for short sleeves.
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Sadly the yt link is unavailable in the uk.SeaShantyIrish2 said:
God IS a funny one, ain't she?IanB2 said:
Funny sort of god, that hangs around bus station bookstandsLion_of_Penarth said:
I do not question the wisdom of the Divine Author.kinabalu said:
If something that one knows will cause much distress and confusion can be strangled at birth, should it be?Lion_of_Penarth said:An empty vessel makes the most noise, but a brick is more sound.
Simon & Garfunkel - The Sounds of Silence
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fWyzwo1xg0
SOUNDS OF SILENCE
Paul Simon (and a huge hit for Simon and Garfunkel back in ancient times)
Hello darkness, my old friend
I've come to talk with you again
Because a vision softly creeping
Left its seeds while I was sleeping
And the vision that was planted in my brain
Still remains
Within the sound of silence
In restless dreams I walked alone
Narrow streets of cobblestone
'Neath the halo of a street lamp
I turned my collar to the cold and damp
When my eyes were stabbed by the flash of a neon light
That split the night
And touched the sound of silence
And in the naked light I saw
Ten thousand people, maybe more
People talking without speaking
People hearing without listening
People writing songs that voices never share
No one dared
Disturb the sound of silence
"Fools" said I, "You do not know
Silence like a cancer grows
Hear my words that I might teach you
Take my arms that I might reach you"
But my words like silent raindrops fell
And echoed in the wells of silence
And the people bowed and prayed
To the neon god they made
And the sign flashed out its warning
In the words that it was forming
And the sign said, "The words of the prophets
Are written on the subway walls
And tenement halls
And whispered in the sounds of silence"0 -
That's harsh. The wife's really. A little fluffy white bichon frise, name of Mabel. If she's not groomed, she wouldn't be able to see after a couple of months (the dog, not the wife).ping said:
You have a dog groomer?!!Northern_Al said:
Our dog groomer is Bone Idol, which is pretty good.Mexicanpete said:
There is a dog groomer in Brierley Hill called "Doggy Style".Northern_Al said:
Probably too well known, but my favourite was the shop that sold cheap camping gear and was called:TheScreamingEagles said:This might be the greatest pun in human history.
Now is the Winter of our Discount Tent
My favourite however is an estate agent in Kidderminster, and no word of a lie, the names are genuine. "Doolittle and Dalley".
I thought they were fictional things from the movies.
People actually pay money for someone to groom their dog?
Bonkers
And anyway, we don't pay as she is used as a practice dog for apprentices. Risky, but cheap.0 -
Age related data
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No Tory candidate?HYUFD said:
No, they won the Richmond Park by election from the Conservatives less than 5 years ago in 2016MarqueeMark said:Tomorrow is the 21st anniversary of the last time the LibDems won a Westminster seat from the Conservatives (Romsey).
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Age related data scaled to 100k per age group
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Serious gale force winds along the channel this evening.stodge said:
Started okay but has deteriorated through the day with the wind getting up (no sniggering in the cheap seats) and some light rain this evening.RochdalePioneers said:How has the weather been for most people today? Her in Buchan its been mostly overcast with sunny spells - but dry and warm enough for short sleeves.
Meanwhile Chesham LDs must be wishing they had some kind of betting expert who they could get to write to their voters...
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Vaccinations
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I've often been critical of the Lib Dems, or possibly Lib Dem (they've become thin on the ground).
Today Leyla Moran appeared on tv and spoke the most sense and sounded the most coherent of any LD politician for ages. Admittedly she wasn't reflecting LD policy, but its so nice to hear sense in the vacuum that has been the middle of British politics for ten years.
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CFR
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Conservatives didn't stand though.HYUFD said:
No, they won the Richmond Park by election from the Conservatives less than 5 years ago in 2016MarqueeMark said:Tomorrow is the 21st anniversary of the last time the LibDems won a Westminster seat from the Conservatives (Romsey).
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And those jobs would need to be done if Scotland was independent.CarlottaVance said:
Quite true.sarissa said:
Spending FOR Scotland is not the same as spending IN Scotland.CarlottaVance said:The survey also found that most independence supporters agreed with other verifiably false statements relating to official Scottish Government figures. These are myths widely shared on social media which, to be blunt, imply that the Scottish Government’s economists are idiots.
- 54 per cent of independence supporters agree that 'Scottish tax revenues are understated because of Scottish exports leaving via English ports'
- 66 per cent agree that 'Scottish tax revenues are understated because taxes generated by the whisky industry are not properly allocated to Scotland'
- 55 per cent agree that 'Scotland is only seen to be running a deficit because some costs outside of Scotland, like HS2 and infrastructure spending in the South East, are charged to Scotland'
This denial of the Scottish Government’s economic data and belief in myths about how the figures are compiled is consistent with our survey’s finding that only 20 per cent of independence supporters are aware that total public spending in Scotland is more than the amount raised in taxes.
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/independence-case-is-built-on-myths-denial-and-conspiracy-theories
A fair chunk of spending IN Scotland is FOR rUK.
For example:
There are more civil servants in Scotland and Wales working for Whitehall departments than for the Scottish and Welsh governments.
https://www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/explainers/location-of-civil-service
Or they will be lost and the Red Wall will celebrate even more jobs...0 -
Brecon and Radnor was just two years ago!MarqueeMark said:Tomorrow is the 21st anniversary of the last time the LibDems won a Westminster seat from the Conservatives (Romsey).
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I think one of the real political events of interest in 2022 will be the GOP primaries for the midterms where we'll see the battle for the soul of the Republican Party played out between the pro-Trump and anti-Trump factions and will we see the first indications of a schism?Philip_Thompson said:
The GOP have been circling the drain for decades.
Will defeated pro-Trump primary candidates run as third party or Patriot Party candidates for example?0 -
We had that last Friday. Good for getting the dead wood out of the trees.MarqueeMark said:
South Devon managed to avoid the rain until late afternoon, but it has been 50+ mph wind through the day - nearer 60 mph currently.RochdalePioneers said:How has the weather been for most people today? Her in Buchan its been mostly overcast with sunny spells - but dry and warm enough for short sleeves.
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Worth a try, I thought.Northern_Al said:
I fear your Tehran suggestion may be more appropriate for the SAS than for a North London lawyer.Mexicanpete said:
I am batting for Starmer, but I really think he should avoid the silly stunts. If it's whimsy you are after, Blair played guitar or did "keepy uppies". It was cool. I am not suggesting Starmer tries keepy-uppies, that would be a recipe for disaster, but you know what I mean.Being a smart arse in John Lewis or a boxing club isn't big or clever.Northern_Al said:Just checking I've got this right:
1. Starmer is far too serious, dull, boring, competent, intelligent and staid to warm the hearts of the British public. Especially against BJ, that fount of entertaining charisma, he faces electoral oblivion.
2. The last thing that Starmer should do is damage his reputation for being serious, boring, intelligent etc. etc. by trying to show that he also has a lighter, more whimsical side to his personality. That would lead to electoral oblivion.
He's a lawyer. He could do some lawyery stuff. How about this? Go to Tehran on the QT and come back with Mrs Ratcliffe.
Your idea would be a great stunt for Johnson to perform. As the SAS return to Akrotiri, a heavily camouflaged Johnson carries a shellshocked Mrs Ratcliffe from the Chinook. I am not suggesting Johnson flies in the Chinook (very dangerous) but arrives just before the media.
All his current troubles would evaporate into the ether.1 -
SHITE in north London. Unredeemed SHITEydoethur said:
Wet, windy and cold pretty well all over Wales and the Midlands AFAICS.Sandpit said:
High winds and sandstorms here, low visibility but 35°C.RochdalePioneers said:How has the weather been for most people today? Her in Buchan its been mostly overcast with sunny spells - but dry and warm enough for short sleeves.
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Ah yes - but that was just rank spite by May. By letting the local party have a convicted crim as their candidate, it guaranteed a loss. Thereby giving Boris a loss after 10 tens days of becoming PM!ydoethur said:
Brecon and Radnor was just two years ago!MarqueeMark said:Tomorrow is the 21st anniversary of the last time the LibDems won a Westminster seat from the Conservatives (Romsey).
One of the more bizarre by-elections. The LibDems didn't so much win it as were gifted it!1 -
Several day's data - UK still vaccinating ahead of its population share:
https://www.politico.eu/coronavirus-in-europe/
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Germany has finally got its vaccination programme in gear.CarlottaVance said:Several day's data - UK still vaccinating ahead of its population share:
https://www.politico.eu/coronavirus-in-europe/0 -
David Davis used Westminster parliamentary privilege to dump a bunch of Salmond material about Sturgeon and no one gave a shit.Luckyguy1983 said:
Circumventing or changing current legal restrictions that currently prevent showing Sturgeon in a negative light. Possibly by extending parliamentary privilege to Holyrood.Alistair said:
What's the UK Gov's red button. As it stands I don't think launching a nuclear strike on Govanhill is on the table so I'm a bit clueless.Luckyguy1983 said:
There is a worryingly high (for her) number of people with the a 'destroy Sturgeon' red button. Salmond is no doubt one of them, and I think the UK Government has the means too. She's completely compromised.Theuniondivvie said:It's the 'chuckled for several seconds' that's really disturbing. Presumably that's Plan B if Alba are a complete bust.
https://twitter.com/paulhutcheon/status/1389222621028421637?s=20
Or are you going for the wackier end of the conspiracy theories?
My favourite one is the "Everyone knows that" Sturgeon is having an affair with the French Ambassador in Judy Murray's former home in the Bridge of Allan.
The yooniverse is so convinced it is true to such a degree that it is almost heartbreaking to see their earnestness.0 -
Before SIndyref1 the UK government drew up a list of UK agencies serving all the UK - that Scotland would need to replicate on independence, assuming they wanted to maintain the same services. There were over 200, compared to the 50 currently in Scotland.eek said:
And those jobs would need to be done if Scotland was independent.CarlottaVance said:
Quite true.sarissa said:
Spending FOR Scotland is not the same as spending IN Scotland.CarlottaVance said:The survey also found that most independence supporters agreed with other verifiably false statements relating to official Scottish Government figures. These are myths widely shared on social media which, to be blunt, imply that the Scottish Government’s economists are idiots.
- 54 per cent of independence supporters agree that 'Scottish tax revenues are understated because of Scottish exports leaving via English ports'
- 66 per cent agree that 'Scottish tax revenues are understated because taxes generated by the whisky industry are not properly allocated to Scotland'
- 55 per cent agree that 'Scotland is only seen to be running a deficit because some costs outside of Scotland, like HS2 and infrastructure spending in the South East, are charged to Scotland'
This denial of the Scottish Government’s economic data and belief in myths about how the figures are compiled is consistent with our survey’s finding that only 20 per cent of independence supporters are aware that total public spending in Scotland is more than the amount raised in taxes.
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/independence-case-is-built-on-myths-denial-and-conspiracy-theories
A fair chunk of spending IN Scotland is FOR rUK.
For example:
There are more civil servants in Scotland and Wales working for Whitehall departments than for the Scottish and Welsh governments.
https://www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/explainers/location-of-civil-service
Or they will be lost and the Red Wall will celebrate even more jobs...0 -
In East Hampton, there was a place that sold decorative iron railings called:SeaShantyIrish2 said:
There is a Vietnamese soup shop in Bellevue, Washington that calls itself "What the Pho?"IanB2 said:
There’s a drains man round these parts with a van declaring himself the Rodfather...Stuartinromford said:
You know who else has taken a beating because of problems with property maintenance?TheScreamingEagles said:This might be the greatest pun in human history.
Oh the Irony0 -
Don't knock it. This is our way out of the post-Covid economic malaise. A hundred dog groomers in every high street.ping said:
You have a dog groomer?!!Northern_Al said:
Our dog groomer is Bone Idol, which is pretty good.Mexicanpete said:
There is a dog groomer in Brierley Hill called "Doggy Style".Northern_Al said:
Probably too well known, but my favourite was the shop that sold cheap camping gear and was called:TheScreamingEagles said:This might be the greatest pun in human history.
Now is the Winter of our Discount Tent
My favourite however is an estate agent in Kidderminster, and no word of a lie, the names are genuine. "Doolittle and Dalley".
I thought they were fictional things from the movies.
People actually pay money for someone to groom their dog?
Bonkers
P.S. I am not expecting to be corrected as to the mechanics of supply and demand economics.0 -
Wasn't one of them that Scotland appare tly needed to replicate the Wilton Park Conference Centre?CarlottaVance said:
Before SIndyref1 the UK government drew up a list of UK agencies serving all the UK - that Scotland would need to replicate on independence, assuming they wanted to maintain the same services. There were over 200, compared to the 50 currently in Scotland.eek said:
And those jobs would need to be done if Scotland was independent.CarlottaVance said:
Quite true.sarissa said:
Spending FOR Scotland is not the same as spending IN Scotland.CarlottaVance said:The survey also found that most independence supporters agreed with other verifiably false statements relating to official Scottish Government figures. These are myths widely shared on social media which, to be blunt, imply that the Scottish Government’s economists are idiots.
- 54 per cent of independence supporters agree that 'Scottish tax revenues are understated because of Scottish exports leaving via English ports'
- 66 per cent agree that 'Scottish tax revenues are understated because taxes generated by the whisky industry are not properly allocated to Scotland'
- 55 per cent agree that 'Scotland is only seen to be running a deficit because some costs outside of Scotland, like HS2 and infrastructure spending in the South East, are charged to Scotland'
This denial of the Scottish Government’s economic data and belief in myths about how the figures are compiled is consistent with our survey’s finding that only 20 per cent of independence supporters are aware that total public spending in Scotland is more than the amount raised in taxes.
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/independence-case-is-built-on-myths-denial-and-conspiracy-theories
A fair chunk of spending IN Scotland is FOR rUK.
For example:
There are more civil servants in Scotland and Wales working for Whitehall departments than for the Scottish and Welsh governments.
https://www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/explainers/location-of-civil-service
Or they will be lost and the Red Wall will celebrate even more jobs...0 -
Wales 24.4CarlottaVance said:Several day's data - UK still vaccinating ahead of its population share:
https://www.politico.eu/coronavirus-in-europe/
Scotland 23.1
NI 22.2
Eng 22.20 -
Oh and the English tourist board IIRC.0
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The weather is diabolical in Hampshire. Driving rain and what sounds like gale-force winds too.Leon said:
SHITE in north London. Unredeemed SHITEydoethur said:
Wet, windy and cold pretty well all over Wales and the Midlands AFAICS.Sandpit said:
High winds and sandstorms here, low visibility but 35°C.RochdalePioneers said:How has the weather been for most people today? Her in Buchan its been mostly overcast with sunny spells - but dry and warm enough for short sleeves.
This could be kristallnacht for my vegetable patch.0 -
NI & Wales in particular have a relatively high proportion of civil servants to their population. Scotland is higher than any English region outside London/the North East:
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So it doesn’t count because you don’t want it to?MarqueeMark said:
Ah yes - but that was just rank spite by May. By letting the local party have a convicted crim as their candidate, it guaranteed a loss. Thereby giving Boris a loss after 10 tens days of becoming PM!ydoethur said:
Brecon and Radnor was just two years ago!MarqueeMark said:Tomorrow is the 21st anniversary of the last time the LibDems won a Westminster seat from the Conservatives (Romsey).
One of the more bizarre by-elections. The LibDems didn't so much win it as were gifted it!2 -
Don’t get me wrong.Mexicanpete said:
Don't knock it. This is our way out of the post-Covid economic malaise. A hundred dog groomers in every high street.ping said:
You have a dog groomer?!!Northern_Al said:
Our dog groomer is Bone Idol, which is pretty good.Mexicanpete said:
There is a dog groomer in Brierley Hill called "Doggy Style".Northern_Al said:
Probably too well known, but my favourite was the shop that sold cheap camping gear and was called:TheScreamingEagles said:This might be the greatest pun in human history.
Now is the Winter of our Discount Tent
My favourite however is an estate agent in Kidderminster, and no word of a lie, the names are genuine. "Doolittle and Dalley".
I thought they were fictional things from the movies.
People actually pay money for someone to groom their dog?
Bonkers
P.S. I am not expecting to be corrected as to the mechanics of supply and demand economics.
Economically it’s great that rich people spend their money on labour-intensive local services.
I fully support that kind of capitalist redistribution of wealth.
It just strikes me as a bonkers thing to spend your money on. I don’t think I’d be a very good rich person lol.0 -
Ken?Casino_Royale said:
The weather is diabolical in Hampshire. Driving rain and what sounds like gale-force winds too.Leon said:
SHITE in north London. Unredeemed SHITEydoethur said:
Wet, windy and cold pretty well all over Wales and the Midlands AFAICS.Sandpit said:
High winds and sandstorms here, low visibility but 35°C.RochdalePioneers said:How has the weather been for most people today? Her in Buchan its been mostly overcast with sunny spells - but dry and warm enough for short sleeves.
This could be kristallnacht for my vegetable patch.0 -
Battle? it won't be a battle. It will be a massacre.stodge said:
I think one of the real political events of interest in 2022 will be the GOP primaries for the midterms where we'll see the battle for the soul of the Republican Party played out between the pro-Trump and anti-Trump factions and will we see the first indications of a schism?Philip_Thompson said:
The GOP have been circling the drain for decades.
Will defeated pro-Trump primary candidates run as third party or Patriot Party candidates for example?
Recent Texas Special election, Trump endorsed candidate came top. Followed by another Repub. Dems trailing.
NeverTrump candidate? hardly registered.
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Worth taking a look at the results of the TX-6 special election. This was a seat Trump won by 3pc in 2020, is in the Dallas / Fort Worth area and the sort of Texas seat Democrats need to win to make advances in the state. Two Republican candidates went through to the final round and the Democrats only garnered 36pc of the vote.stodge said:
I think one of the real political events of interest in 2022 will be the GOP primaries for the midterms where we'll see the battle for the soul of the Republican Party played out between the pro-Trump and anti-Trump factions and will we see the first indications of a schism?Philip_Thompson said:
The GOP have been circling the drain for decades.
Will defeated pro-Trump primary candidates run as third party or Patriot Party candidates for example?
Smaller scale but in a Texas school district where it was a conservative PAC vs progressive Critical Race Theorists, the latter got absolutely slaughtered, with the former taking all seats.
Funnily enough, Biden’s supposed stellar polling ratings or the “popularity” of the progressive agenda doesn’t seem to be translating into votes in the suburbs0 -
Oh good grief. Why have the BBC gone with Mr Verbal Diarrhoea John Virgo and Stephen Hendry for the climax?
Surely you want your two best commentators - that would be McManus and Taylor.0 -
You ask me a question to which I can't give an answer.Alistair said:
David Davis used Westminster parliamentary privilege to dump a bunch of Salmond material about Sturgeon and no one gave a shit.Luckyguy1983 said:
Circumventing or changing current legal restrictions that currently prevent showing Sturgeon in a negative light. Possibly by extending parliamentary privilege to Holyrood.Alistair said:
What's the UK Gov's red button. As it stands I don't think launching a nuclear strike on Govanhill is on the table so I'm a bit clueless.Luckyguy1983 said:
There is a worryingly high (for her) number of people with the a 'destroy Sturgeon' red button. Salmond is no doubt one of them, and I think the UK Government has the means too. She's completely compromised.Theuniondivvie said:It's the 'chuckled for several seconds' that's really disturbing. Presumably that's Plan B if Alba are a complete bust.
https://twitter.com/paulhutcheon/status/1389222621028421637?s=20
Or are you going for the wackier end of the conspiracy theories?
My favourite one is the "Everyone knows that" Sturgeon is having an affair with the French Ambassador in Judy Murray's former home in the Bridge of Allan.
The yooniverse is so convinced it is true to such a degree that it is almost heartbreaking to see their earnestness.0 -
Tedious frame0
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"Visit Britain"Alistair said:Oh and the English tourist board IIRC.
So that's 2 out of 205.....only another 153 to go......
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/208120/Public_organisations_list_Scotland_web_version.pdf0 -
Rain, sleet and gales on the Ayrshire Coast. Snow on the hill behind us.RochdalePioneers said:How has the weather been for most people today? Her in Buchan its been mostly overcast with sunny spells - but dry and warm enough for short sleeves.
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So being an independent country requires having agencies?CarlottaVance said:
Before SIndyref1 the UK government drew up a list of UK agencies serving all the UK - that Scotland would need to replicate on independence, assuming they wanted to maintain the same services. There were over 200, compared to the 50 currently in Scotland.eek said:
And those jobs would need to be done if Scotland was independent.CarlottaVance said:
Quite true.sarissa said:
Spending FOR Scotland is not the same as spending IN Scotland.CarlottaVance said:The survey also found that most independence supporters agreed with other verifiably false statements relating to official Scottish Government figures. These are myths widely shared on social media which, to be blunt, imply that the Scottish Government’s economists are idiots.
- 54 per cent of independence supporters agree that 'Scottish tax revenues are understated because of Scottish exports leaving via English ports'
- 66 per cent agree that 'Scottish tax revenues are understated because taxes generated by the whisky industry are not properly allocated to Scotland'
- 55 per cent agree that 'Scotland is only seen to be running a deficit because some costs outside of Scotland, like HS2 and infrastructure spending in the South East, are charged to Scotland'
This denial of the Scottish Government’s economic data and belief in myths about how the figures are compiled is consistent with our survey’s finding that only 20 per cent of independence supporters are aware that total public spending in Scotland is more than the amount raised in taxes.
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/independence-case-is-built-on-myths-denial-and-conspiracy-theories
A fair chunk of spending IN Scotland is FOR rUK.
For example:
There are more civil servants in Scotland and Wales working for Whitehall departments than for the Scottish and Welsh governments.
https://www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/explainers/location-of-civil-service
Or they will be lost and the Red Wall will celebrate even more jobs...
So what? Just do it. Independent countries have agencies, it's not a deal breaker.0 -
I got caught in a hailstorm while cycling just outside Stafford on Saturday.Fairliered said:
Rain, sleet and gales on the Ayrshire Coast. Snow on the hill behind us.RochdalePioneers said:How has the weather been for most people today? Her in Buchan its been mostly overcast with sunny spells - but dry and warm enough for short sleeves.
No sign of any snow though.0 -
No one is arguing that they shouldn't have them. They are arguing that they wouldn't come for free.Philip_Thompson said:
So being an independent country requires having agencies?CarlottaVance said:
Before SIndyref1 the UK government drew up a list of UK agencies serving all the UK - that Scotland would need to replicate on independence, assuming they wanted to maintain the same services. There were over 200, compared to the 50 currently in Scotland.eek said:
And those jobs would need to be done if Scotland was independent.CarlottaVance said:
Quite true.sarissa said:
Spending FOR Scotland is not the same as spending IN Scotland.CarlottaVance said:The survey also found that most independence supporters agreed with other verifiably false statements relating to official Scottish Government figures. These are myths widely shared on social media which, to be blunt, imply that the Scottish Government’s economists are idiots.
- 54 per cent of independence supporters agree that 'Scottish tax revenues are understated because of Scottish exports leaving via English ports'
- 66 per cent agree that 'Scottish tax revenues are understated because taxes generated by the whisky industry are not properly allocated to Scotland'
- 55 per cent agree that 'Scotland is only seen to be running a deficit because some costs outside of Scotland, like HS2 and infrastructure spending in the South East, are charged to Scotland'
This denial of the Scottish Government’s economic data and belief in myths about how the figures are compiled is consistent with our survey’s finding that only 20 per cent of independence supporters are aware that total public spending in Scotland is more than the amount raised in taxes.
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/independence-case-is-built-on-myths-denial-and-conspiracy-theories
A fair chunk of spending IN Scotland is FOR rUK.
For example:
There are more civil servants in Scotland and Wales working for Whitehall departments than for the Scottish and Welsh governments.
https://www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/explainers/location-of-civil-service
Or they will be lost and the Red Wall will celebrate even more jobs...
So what? Just do it. Independent countries have agencies, it's not a deal breaker.0 -
Scraping the barrell there....ydoethur said:
Why did the Mormon marry a parrot?rcs1000 said:
As Mitt Romney said:algarkirk said:
Absolutely. It may seem strange to modern and younger ears but marriage is for life and only between one man and one woman is the basic doctrine of Anglicans, Roman Catholics, the Orthodox churches, Methodists, Baptists and lots of others. Most of these people are tolerant, ordinary members of the public. Many of them are MPs.Leon said:
There's a longer video (I'll try and link) where you can hear him preaching that marriage is for "a man and a woman only"Quincel said:
The video doesn't show what he was saying before the police arrest him following what they can be heard to describe as 'Complaints from members of the public that [you] have caused them harm and distress by making [homophobic statements]'. Since we don't hear what he said, I really don't see how we can conclude if their behaviour is justified.Leon said:Man arrested in the streets of London.... simply for preaching Christianity
Meanwhile, professional football matches stop for the breaking of the Ramadan fast: because, "respect"
https://twitter.com/one_jason/status/1388760623081721856?s=20
This is basic Christian doctrine, I believe? Besides, this is a matter of opinion, and he is entitled to his opinion and entitled to speak it. He does not stir up hatred or violence
"I believe marriage is a sacred institution between a man and a woman... and a woman... and a woman"
Because it was the only way he could commit Polly-gamy.0 -
This is, I think, the autumn-winter-spring that finally tips me into buying a bolthole abroad. Portugal or Greece. Enough, nowCasino_Royale said:
The weather is diabolical in Hampshire. Driving rain and what sounds like gale-force winds too.Leon said:
SHITE in north London. Unredeemed SHITEydoethur said:
Wet, windy and cold pretty well all over Wales and the Midlands AFAICS.Sandpit said:
High winds and sandstorms here, low visibility but 35°C.RochdalePioneers said:How has the weather been for most people today? Her in Buchan its been mostly overcast with sunny spells - but dry and warm enough for short sleeves.
This could be kristallnacht for my vegetable patch.
So much grey, so much cold, so much rubbish0 -
It's a silly thing to argue over.RobD said:
No one is arguing that they shouldn't have them. They are arguing that they wouldn't come for free.Philip_Thompson said:
So being an independent country requires having agencies?CarlottaVance said:
Before SIndyref1 the UK government drew up a list of UK agencies serving all the UK - that Scotland would need to replicate on independence, assuming they wanted to maintain the same services. There were over 200, compared to the 50 currently in Scotland.eek said:
And those jobs would need to be done if Scotland was independent.CarlottaVance said:
Quite true.sarissa said:
Spending FOR Scotland is not the same as spending IN Scotland.CarlottaVance said:The survey also found that most independence supporters agreed with other verifiably false statements relating to official Scottish Government figures. These are myths widely shared on social media which, to be blunt, imply that the Scottish Government’s economists are idiots.
- 54 per cent of independence supporters agree that 'Scottish tax revenues are understated because of Scottish exports leaving via English ports'
- 66 per cent agree that 'Scottish tax revenues are understated because taxes generated by the whisky industry are not properly allocated to Scotland'
- 55 per cent agree that 'Scotland is only seen to be running a deficit because some costs outside of Scotland, like HS2 and infrastructure spending in the South East, are charged to Scotland'
This denial of the Scottish Government’s economic data and belief in myths about how the figures are compiled is consistent with our survey’s finding that only 20 per cent of independence supporters are aware that total public spending in Scotland is more than the amount raised in taxes.
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/independence-case-is-built-on-myths-denial-and-conspiracy-theories
A fair chunk of spending IN Scotland is FOR rUK.
For example:
There are more civil servants in Scotland and Wales working for Whitehall departments than for the Scottish and Welsh governments.
https://www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/explainers/location-of-civil-service
Or they will be lost and the Red Wall will celebrate even more jobs...
So what? Just do it. Independent countries have agencies, it's not a deal breaker.
Denmark, Finland, Norway and Ireland all have about the same population as Scotland. Do any of them have trouble paying for or staffing their required agencies?0 -
Desperately needed rain. Wish it were warmer but any sort of rain will do TBH.Leon said:
SHITE in north London. Unredeemed SHITEydoethur said:
Wet, windy and cold pretty well all over Wales and the Midlands AFAICS.Sandpit said:
High winds and sandstorms here, low visibility but 35°C.RochdalePioneers said:How has the weather been for most people today? Her in Buchan its been mostly overcast with sunny spells - but dry and warm enough for short sleeves.
Let it rain all night.0 -
Thinking of inviting HYUFD, Philip Thompson and some Leons up to provide some hot air.ydoethur said:
I got caught in a hailstorm while cycling just outside Stafford on Saturday.Fairliered said:
Rain, sleet and gales on the Ayrshire Coast. Snow on the hill behind us.RochdalePioneers said:How has the weather been for most people today? Her in Buchan its been mostly overcast with sunny spells - but dry and warm enough for short sleeves.
No sign of any snow though.1 -
No, but it would be false to claim that there would be no additional cost involved, don't you think?Philip_Thompson said:
It's a silly thing to argue over.RobD said:
No one is arguing that they shouldn't have them. They are arguing that they wouldn't come for free.Philip_Thompson said:
So being an independent country requires having agencies?CarlottaVance said:
Before SIndyref1 the UK government drew up a list of UK agencies serving all the UK - that Scotland would need to replicate on independence, assuming they wanted to maintain the same services. There were over 200, compared to the 50 currently in Scotland.eek said:
And those jobs would need to be done if Scotland was independent.CarlottaVance said:
Quite true.sarissa said:
Spending FOR Scotland is not the same as spending IN Scotland.CarlottaVance said:The survey also found that most independence supporters agreed with other verifiably false statements relating to official Scottish Government figures. These are myths widely shared on social media which, to be blunt, imply that the Scottish Government’s economists are idiots.
- 54 per cent of independence supporters agree that 'Scottish tax revenues are understated because of Scottish exports leaving via English ports'
- 66 per cent agree that 'Scottish tax revenues are understated because taxes generated by the whisky industry are not properly allocated to Scotland'
- 55 per cent agree that 'Scotland is only seen to be running a deficit because some costs outside of Scotland, like HS2 and infrastructure spending in the South East, are charged to Scotland'
This denial of the Scottish Government’s economic data and belief in myths about how the figures are compiled is consistent with our survey’s finding that only 20 per cent of independence supporters are aware that total public spending in Scotland is more than the amount raised in taxes.
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/independence-case-is-built-on-myths-denial-and-conspiracy-theories
A fair chunk of spending IN Scotland is FOR rUK.
For example:
There are more civil servants in Scotland and Wales working for Whitehall departments than for the Scottish and Welsh governments.
https://www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/explainers/location-of-civil-service
Or they will be lost and the Red Wall will celebrate even more jobs...
So what? Just do it. Independent countries have agencies, it's not a deal breaker.
Denmark, Finland, Norway and Ireland all have about the same population as Scotland. Do any of them have trouble paying for or staffing their required agencies?0 -
More manna from heaven for the Trump tendency comes in the form of the new US census. The census apparently shows 5 million more votes were counted in 2020 than people recorded as voting.MrEd said:
Worth taking a look at the results of the TX-6 special election. This was a seat Trump won by 3pc in 2020, is in the Dallas / Fort Worth area and the sort of Texas seat Democrats need to win to make advances in the state. Two Republican candidates went through to the final round and the Democrats only garnered 36pc of the vote.stodge said:
I think one of the real political events of interest in 2022 will be the GOP primaries for the midterms where we'll see the battle for the soul of the Republican Party played out between the pro-Trump and anti-Trump factions and will we see the first indications of a schism?Philip_Thompson said:
The GOP have been circling the drain for decades.
Will defeated pro-Trump primary candidates run as third party or Patriot Party candidates for example?
Smaller scale but in a Texas school district where it was a conservative PAC vs progressive Critical Race Theorists, the latter got absolutely slaughtered, with the former taking all seats.
Funnily enough, Biden’s supposed stellar polling ratings or the “popularity” of the progressive agenda doesn’t seem to be translating into votes in the suburbs
Its going to run and run with repub voters, this.0 -
I’d keep Hyufd away from Scotland if I were you. You don’t want him thinking the road outside your place is ideal for his tanks.Fairliered said:
Thinking of inviting HYUFD, Philip Thompson and some Leons up to provide some hot air.ydoethur said:
I got caught in a hailstorm while cycling just outside Stafford on Saturday.Fairliered said:
Rain, sleet and gales on the Ayrshire Coast. Snow on the hill behind us.RochdalePioneers said:How has the weather been for most people today? Her in Buchan its been mostly overcast with sunny spells - but dry and warm enough for short sleeves.
No sign of any snow though.2 -
Open the doc and what do I see on the first page? Forestry Comission. That's devolved, there's a Scottish Forestry Comission. Can't really be arsed to go through the rest of the list to spot what devolved institutions have been listed in the doc.CarlottaVance said:
"Visit Britain"Alistair said:Oh and the English tourist board IIRC.
So that's 2 out of 205.....only another 153 to go......
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/208120/Public_organisations_list_Scotland_web_version.pdf0 -
A lot of the arguments for and against Indy are financial and economical. Why is it silly to make clear something that would add to the financial burden?Philip_Thompson said:
It's a silly thing to argue over.RobD said:
No one is arguing that they shouldn't have them. They are arguing that they wouldn't come for free.Philip_Thompson said:
So being an independent country requires having agencies?CarlottaVance said:
Before SIndyref1 the UK government drew up a list of UK agencies serving all the UK - that Scotland would need to replicate on independence, assuming they wanted to maintain the same services. There were over 200, compared to the 50 currently in Scotland.eek said:
And those jobs would need to be done if Scotland was independent.CarlottaVance said:
Quite true.sarissa said:
Spending FOR Scotland is not the same as spending IN Scotland.CarlottaVance said:The survey also found that most independence supporters agreed with other verifiably false statements relating to official Scottish Government figures. These are myths widely shared on social media which, to be blunt, imply that the Scottish Government’s economists are idiots.
- 54 per cent of independence supporters agree that 'Scottish tax revenues are understated because of Scottish exports leaving via English ports'
- 66 per cent agree that 'Scottish tax revenues are understated because taxes generated by the whisky industry are not properly allocated to Scotland'
- 55 per cent agree that 'Scotland is only seen to be running a deficit because some costs outside of Scotland, like HS2 and infrastructure spending in the South East, are charged to Scotland'
This denial of the Scottish Government’s economic data and belief in myths about how the figures are compiled is consistent with our survey’s finding that only 20 per cent of independence supporters are aware that total public spending in Scotland is more than the amount raised in taxes.
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/independence-case-is-built-on-myths-denial-and-conspiracy-theories
A fair chunk of spending IN Scotland is FOR rUK.
For example:
There are more civil servants in Scotland and Wales working for Whitehall departments than for the Scottish and Welsh governments.
https://www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/explainers/location-of-civil-service
Or they will be lost and the Red Wall will celebrate even more jobs...
So what? Just do it. Independent countries have agencies, it's not a deal breaker.
Denmark, Finland, Norway and Ireland all have about the same population as Scotland. Do any of them have trouble paying for or staffing their required agencies?
Yes, all those countries assimilate the cost of all the requisite agencies - if they were in a union, they would share those costs with the other members and benefit from efficiencies. As they aren't, they don't.0 -
If Boris was TRULY that lucky, the one person who died in today's numbers would have died the day before. Announcing ZERO deaths before the local elections would be worth a thousand Starmer stunts.0
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What a bizarre post in the light of 150,000 Covid fatalities to date.MarqueeMark said:If Boris was TRULY that lucky, the one person who died in today's numbers would have died the day before. Announcing ZERO deaths before the local elections would be worth a thousand Starmer stunts.
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Exclusive: Tory staff furious over flat refurbishment after being told no cash for pay rises
Officials at CCHQ and regional offices have not had a pay rise since Boris Johnson swept to victory in 2019
Conservative Party HQ staff are in uproar over the costly revamp of Boris Johnson's Downing Street flat after officials were told there was no money for pay rises.
Party officials were "furious" to discover that almost £60,000 from Conservative Campaign Headquarters (CCHQ) funds was channelled to pay an invoice for the flat refurbishment while at the same time staff were informed their pay was being frozen.
Officials at CCHQ and at regional offices have not had a pay rise since Boris Johnson swept to victory in 2019. The Telegraph understands that in February, Aimee Henderson, the Conservative Party's finance director, told employees the party was in no position to "splash the cash".
Ms Henderson said a pay rise even linked to inflation inflation would not be possible this year.
It has now emerged that at about the same time, the Conservative Party picked up part of the tab for the flat in Downing Street occupied by Mr Johnson and his fiancee, Carrie Symonds. It is alleged that the party paid £58,000 towards the revamp....
...One Tory staff member said: "People in HQ and in the field were furious that, after we'd all worked so hard on the general election, we couldn't even have a pay rise in line with inflation. The finance director said it was no time to 'splash the cash', which went down very badly."
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2021/05/03/exclusive-tory-staff-furious-flat-refurbishment-told-no-cash/?utm_content=telegraph&utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=16200728291 -
128,000. It's not as if 22,000 don't matter to you, do they?Mexicanpete said:
What a bizarre post in the light of 150,000 Covid fatalities to date.MarqueeMark said:If Boris was TRULY that lucky, the one person who died in today's numbers would have died the day before. Announcing ZERO deaths before the local elections would be worth a thousand Starmer stunts.
1 -
The old, old story for employees. Always money available for office improvements, but never for pay rises.TheScreamingEagles said:Exclusive: Tory staff furious over flat refurbishment after being told no cash for pay rises
Officials at CCHQ and regional offices have not had a pay rise since Boris Johnson swept to victory in 2019
Conservative Party HQ staff are in uproar over the costly revamp of Boris Johnson's Downing Street flat after officials were told there was no money for pay rises.
Party officials were "furious" to discover that almost £60,000 from Conservative Campaign Headquarters (CCHQ) funds was channelled to pay an invoice for the flat refurbishment while at the same time staff were informed their pay was being frozen.
Officials at CCHQ and at regional offices have not had a pay rise since Boris Johnson swept to victory in 2019. The Telegraph understands that in February, Aimee Henderson, the Conservative Party's finance director, told employees the party was in no position to "splash the cash".
Ms Henderson said a pay rise even linked to inflation inflation would not be possible this year.
It has now emerged that at about the same time, the Conservative Party picked up part of the tab for the flat in Downing Street occupied by Mr Johnson and his fiancee, Carrie Symonds. It is alleged that the party paid £58,000 towards the revamp....
...One Tory staff member said: "People in HQ and in the field were furious that, after we'd all worked so hard on the general election, we couldn't even have a pay rise in line with inflation. The finance director said it was no time to 'splash the cash', which went down very badly."
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2021/05/03/exclusive-tory-staff-furious-flat-refurbishment-told-no-cash/?utm_content=telegraph&utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=16200728290 -
There was considerable surprise, here, when I mentioned that there are people making a living demonstrating/teaching the setup of Herman Miller Aeron chairs (and the associated desks).ping said:
Don’t get me wrong.Mexicanpete said:
Don't knock it. This is our way out of the post-Covid economic malaise. A hundred dog groomers in every high street.ping said:
You have a dog groomer?!!Northern_Al said:
Our dog groomer is Bone Idol, which is pretty good.Mexicanpete said:
There is a dog groomer in Brierley Hill called "Doggy Style".Northern_Al said:
Probably too well known, but my favourite was the shop that sold cheap camping gear and was called:TheScreamingEagles said:This might be the greatest pun in human history.
Now is the Winter of our Discount Tent
My favourite however is an estate agent in Kidderminster, and no word of a lie, the names are genuine. "Doolittle and Dalley".
I thought they were fictional things from the movies.
People actually pay money for someone to groom their dog?
Bonkers
P.S. I am not expecting to be corrected as to the mechanics of supply and demand economics.
Economically it’s great that rich people spend their money on labour-intensive local services.
I fully support that kind of capitalist redistribution of wealth.
It just strikes me as a bonkers thing to spend your money on. I don’t think I’d be a very good rich person lol.1 -
On the government's own dashboard they show the 150,000 figure.MarqueeMark said:
128,000. It's not as if 22,000 don't matter to you, do they?Mexicanpete said:
What a bizarre post in the light of 150,000 Covid fatalities to date.MarqueeMark said:If Boris was TRULY that lucky, the one person who died in today's numbers would have died the day before. Announcing ZERO deaths before the local elections would be worth a thousand Starmer stunts.
2 -
So Trump actually lost by 12 million votes rather than 7 million?contrarian said:
More manna from heaven for the Trump tendency comes in the form of the new US census. The census apparently shows 5 million more votes were counted in 2020 than people recorded as voting.MrEd said:
Worth taking a look at the results of the TX-6 special election. This was a seat Trump won by 3pc in 2020, is in the Dallas / Fort Worth area and the sort of Texas seat Democrats need to win to make advances in the state. Two Republican candidates went through to the final round and the Democrats only garnered 36pc of the vote.stodge said:
I think one of the real political events of interest in 2022 will be the GOP primaries for the midterms where we'll see the battle for the soul of the Republican Party played out between the pro-Trump and anti-Trump factions and will we see the first indications of a schism?Philip_Thompson said:
The GOP have been circling the drain for decades.
Will defeated pro-Trump primary candidates run as third party or Patriot Party candidates for example?
Smaller scale but in a Texas school district where it was a conservative PAC vs progressive Critical Race Theorists, the latter got absolutely slaughtered, with the former taking all seats.
Funnily enough, Biden’s supposed stellar polling ratings or the “popularity” of the progressive agenda doesn’t seem to be translating into votes in the suburbs
Its going to run and run with repub voters, this.3 -
Eh?MarqueeMark said:Tomorrow is the 21st anniversary of the last time the LibDems won a Westminster seat from the Conservatives (Romsey).
Richmond Park
and that one in Wales1 -
They've an early opportunity to vote Labour then.TheScreamingEagles said:Exclusive: Tory staff furious over flat refurbishment after being told no cash for pay rises
Officials at CCHQ and regional offices have not had a pay rise since Boris Johnson swept to victory in 2019
Conservative Party HQ staff are in uproar over the costly revamp of Boris Johnson's Downing Street flat after officials were told there was no money for pay rises.
Party officials were "furious" to discover that almost £60,000 from Conservative Campaign Headquarters (CCHQ) funds was channelled to pay an invoice for the flat refurbishment while at the same time staff were informed their pay was being frozen.
Officials at CCHQ and at regional offices have not had a pay rise since Boris Johnson swept to victory in 2019. The Telegraph understands that in February, Aimee Henderson, the Conservative Party's finance director, told employees the party was in no position to "splash the cash".
Ms Henderson said a pay rise even linked to inflation inflation would not be possible this year.
It has now emerged that at about the same time, the Conservative Party picked up part of the tab for the flat in Downing Street occupied by Mr Johnson and his fiancee, Carrie Symonds. It is alleged that the party paid £58,000 towards the revamp....
...One Tory staff member said: "People in HQ and in the field were furious that, after we'd all worked so hard on the general election, we couldn't even have a pay rise in line with inflation. The finance director said it was no time to 'splash the cash', which went down very badly."
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2021/05/03/exclusive-tory-staff-furious-flat-refurbishment-told-no-cash/?utm_content=telegraph&utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=16200728290 -
How would a census show that?contrarian said:
More manna from heaven for the Trump tendency comes in the form of the new US census. The census apparently shows 5 million more votes were counted in 2020 than people recorded as voting.MrEd said:
Worth taking a look at the results of the TX-6 special election. This was a seat Trump won by 3pc in 2020, is in the Dallas / Fort Worth area and the sort of Texas seat Democrats need to win to make advances in the state. Two Republican candidates went through to the final round and the Democrats only garnered 36pc of the vote.stodge said:
I think one of the real political events of interest in 2022 will be the GOP primaries for the midterms where we'll see the battle for the soul of the Republican Party played out between the pro-Trump and anti-Trump factions and will we see the first indications of a schism?Philip_Thompson said:
The GOP have been circling the drain for decades.
Will defeated pro-Trump primary candidates run as third party or Patriot Party candidates for example?
Smaller scale but in a Texas school district where it was a conservative PAC vs progressive Critical Race Theorists, the latter got absolutely slaughtered, with the former taking all seats.
Funnily enough, Biden’s supposed stellar polling ratings or the “popularity” of the progressive agenda doesn’t seem to be translating into votes in the suburbs
Its going to run and run with repub voters, this.
How about you share a link demonstrating that "5 million more votes were counted in 2020 than people recorded as voting."3 -
Not even office improvements; it's the boss's flat.londonpubman said:
The old, old story for employees. Always money available for office improvements, but never for pay rises.TheScreamingEagles said:Exclusive: Tory staff furious over flat refurbishment after being told no cash for pay rises
Officials at CCHQ and regional offices have not had a pay rise since Boris Johnson swept to victory in 2019
Conservative Party HQ staff are in uproar over the costly revamp of Boris Johnson's Downing Street flat after officials were told there was no money for pay rises.
Party officials were "furious" to discover that almost £60,000 from Conservative Campaign Headquarters (CCHQ) funds was channelled to pay an invoice for the flat refurbishment while at the same time staff were informed their pay was being frozen.
Officials at CCHQ and at regional offices have not had a pay rise since Boris Johnson swept to victory in 2019. The Telegraph understands that in February, Aimee Henderson, the Conservative Party's finance director, told employees the party was in no position to "splash the cash".
Ms Henderson said a pay rise even linked to inflation inflation would not be possible this year.
It has now emerged that at about the same time, the Conservative Party picked up part of the tab for the flat in Downing Street occupied by Mr Johnson and his fiancee, Carrie Symonds. It is alleged that the party paid £58,000 towards the revamp....
...One Tory staff member said: "People in HQ and in the field were furious that, after we'd all worked so hard on the general election, we couldn't even have a pay rise in line with inflation. The finance director said it was no time to 'splash the cash', which went down very badly."
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2021/05/03/exclusive-tory-staff-furious-flat-refurbishment-told-no-cash/?utm_content=telegraph&utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1620072829
More interestingly, this is the Daily Borisgraph running with the story. It may be cutting through.0 -
No, because it is swings and roundabouts.RobD said:
No, but it would be false to claim that there would be no additional cost involved, don't you think?Philip_Thompson said:
It's a silly thing to argue over.RobD said:
No one is arguing that they shouldn't have them. They are arguing that they wouldn't come for free.Philip_Thompson said:
So being an independent country requires having agencies?CarlottaVance said:
Before SIndyref1 the UK government drew up a list of UK agencies serving all the UK - that Scotland would need to replicate on independence, assuming they wanted to maintain the same services. There were over 200, compared to the 50 currently in Scotland.eek said:
And those jobs would need to be done if Scotland was independent.CarlottaVance said:
Quite true.sarissa said:
Spending FOR Scotland is not the same as spending IN Scotland.CarlottaVance said:The survey also found that most independence supporters agreed with other verifiably false statements relating to official Scottish Government figures. These are myths widely shared on social media which, to be blunt, imply that the Scottish Government’s economists are idiots.
- 54 per cent of independence supporters agree that 'Scottish tax revenues are understated because of Scottish exports leaving via English ports'
- 66 per cent agree that 'Scottish tax revenues are understated because taxes generated by the whisky industry are not properly allocated to Scotland'
- 55 per cent agree that 'Scotland is only seen to be running a deficit because some costs outside of Scotland, like HS2 and infrastructure spending in the South East, are charged to Scotland'
This denial of the Scottish Government’s economic data and belief in myths about how the figures are compiled is consistent with our survey’s finding that only 20 per cent of independence supporters are aware that total public spending in Scotland is more than the amount raised in taxes.
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/independence-case-is-built-on-myths-denial-and-conspiracy-theories
A fair chunk of spending IN Scotland is FOR rUK.
For example:
There are more civil servants in Scotland and Wales working for Whitehall departments than for the Scottish and Welsh governments.
https://www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/explainers/location-of-civil-service
Or they will be lost and the Red Wall will celebrate even more jobs...
So what? Just do it. Independent countries have agencies, it's not a deal breaker.
Denmark, Finland, Norway and Ireland all have about the same population as Scotland. Do any of them have trouble paying for or staffing their required agencies?
Some agencies would need to be created or expanded, but others that serve the whole of the UK are currently bigger than they'd need to be. They could be shrank, some people could be redeployed etc.
It's not a one way street.0 -
Now they know how everyone else working for the government feels.TheScreamingEagles said:Exclusive: Tory staff furious over flat refurbishment after being told no cash for pay rises
Officials at CCHQ and regional offices have not had a pay rise since Boris Johnson swept to victory in 2019
Conservative Party HQ staff are in uproar over the costly revamp of Boris Johnson's Downing Street flat after officials were told there was no money for pay rises.
Party officials were "furious" to discover that almost £60,000 from Conservative Campaign Headquarters (CCHQ) funds was channelled to pay an invoice for the flat refurbishment while at the same time staff were informed their pay was being frozen.
Officials at CCHQ and at regional offices have not had a pay rise since Boris Johnson swept to victory in 2019. The Telegraph understands that in February, Aimee Henderson, the Conservative Party's finance director, told employees the party was in no position to "splash the cash".
Ms Henderson said a pay rise even linked to inflation inflation would not be possible this year.
It has now emerged that at about the same time, the Conservative Party picked up part of the tab for the flat in Downing Street occupied by Mr Johnson and his fiancee, Carrie Symonds. It is alleged that the party paid £58,000 towards the revamp....
...One Tory staff member said: "People in HQ and in the field were furious that, after we'd all worked so hard on the general election, we couldn't even have a pay rise in line with inflation. The finance director said it was no time to 'splash the cash', which went down very badly."
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2021/05/03/exclusive-tory-staff-furious-flat-refurbishment-told-no-cash/?utm_content=telegraph&utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1620072829
What’s amusing is we can quote their own crocodile tears about the (genuine) cuts and pay freezes in the private sector back to them.0 -
Looking at tonight's BMG poll in Scotland, I'm struck not by how much Scottish politics has changed since 2016 but how little.
The constituency numbers very similar to last time.0 -
I thought of asking him for that, but decided it would be as pointless as asking Gavin Williamson to show some integrity or Amanda Spielman to explain a point of education policy.rcs1000 said:
How would a census show that?contrarian said:
More manna from heaven for the Trump tendency comes in the form of the new US census. The census apparently shows 5 million more votes were counted in 2020 than people recorded as voting.MrEd said:
Worth taking a look at the results of the TX-6 special election. This was a seat Trump won by 3pc in 2020, is in the Dallas / Fort Worth area and the sort of Texas seat Democrats need to win to make advances in the state. Two Republican candidates went through to the final round and the Democrats only garnered 36pc of the vote.stodge said:
I think one of the real political events of interest in 2022 will be the GOP primaries for the midterms where we'll see the battle for the soul of the Republican Party played out between the pro-Trump and anti-Trump factions and will we see the first indications of a schism?Philip_Thompson said:
The GOP have been circling the drain for decades.
Will defeated pro-Trump primary candidates run as third party or Patriot Party candidates for example?
Smaller scale but in a Texas school district where it was a conservative PAC vs progressive Critical Race Theorists, the latter got absolutely slaughtered, with the former taking all seats.
Funnily enough, Biden’s supposed stellar polling ratings or the “popularity” of the progressive agenda doesn’t seem to be translating into votes in the suburbs
Its going to run and run with repub voters, this.
How about you share a link demonstrating that "5 million more votes were counted in 2020 than people recorded as voting."1 -
And with Shaun Murphy starting his comeback, I’m off to bed.
Good night.0 -
Fake news, please retract with an apology.MarqueeMark said:
128,000. It's not as if 22,000 don't matter to you, do they?Mexicanpete said:
What a bizarre post in the light of 150,000 Covid fatalities to date.MarqueeMark said:If Boris was TRULY that lucky, the one person who died in today's numbers would have died the day before. Announcing ZERO deaths before the local elections would be worth a thousand Starmer stunts.
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Seems like an almost invented story to me. An unattributed quote talking about how others felt?ydoethur said:
Now they know how everyone else working for the government feels.TheScreamingEagles said:Exclusive: Tory staff furious over flat refurbishment after being told no cash for pay rises
Officials at CCHQ and regional offices have not had a pay rise since Boris Johnson swept to victory in 2019
Conservative Party HQ staff are in uproar over the costly revamp of Boris Johnson's Downing Street flat after officials were told there was no money for pay rises.
Party officials were "furious" to discover that almost £60,000 from Conservative Campaign Headquarters (CCHQ) funds was channelled to pay an invoice for the flat refurbishment while at the same time staff were informed their pay was being frozen.
Officials at CCHQ and at regional offices have not had a pay rise since Boris Johnson swept to victory in 2019. The Telegraph understands that in February, Aimee Henderson, the Conservative Party's finance director, told employees the party was in no position to "splash the cash".
Ms Henderson said a pay rise even linked to inflation inflation would not be possible this year.
It has now emerged that at about the same time, the Conservative Party picked up part of the tab for the flat in Downing Street occupied by Mr Johnson and his fiancee, Carrie Symonds. It is alleged that the party paid £58,000 towards the revamp....
...One Tory staff member said: "People in HQ and in the field were furious that, after we'd all worked so hard on the general election, we couldn't even have a pay rise in line with inflation. The finance director said it was no time to 'splash the cash', which went down very badly."
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2021/05/03/exclusive-tory-staff-furious-flat-refurbishment-told-no-cash/?utm_content=telegraph&utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1620072829
What’s amusing is we can quote their own crocodile tears about the (genuine) cuts and pay freezes in the private sector back to them.0 -
Which is tens of thousands more than the excess deaths.TheScreamingEagles said:
On the government's own dashboard they show the 150,000 figure.MarqueeMark said:
128,000. It's not as if 22,000 don't matter to you, do they?Mexicanpete said:
What a bizarre post in the light of 150,000 Covid fatalities to date.MarqueeMark said:If Boris was TRULY that lucky, the one person who died in today's numbers would have died the day before. Announcing ZERO deaths before the local elections would be worth a thousand Starmer stunts.
Because they're counting deaths with Covid rather than deaths from.0 -
Spend two weeks for two years in a property that you own in Portugal, worth €350 000 and you get a Golden Visa, and can escape the folly that the Brexiteers have inflicted on the rest of us. Apparently the language test for citizenship isn't too bad either.Leon said:
This is, I think, the autumn-winter-spring that finally tips me into buying a bolthole abroad. Portugal or Greece. Enough, nowCasino_Royale said:
The weather is diabolical in Hampshire. Driving rain and what sounds like gale-force winds too.Leon said:
SHITE in north London. Unredeemed SHITEydoethur said:
Wet, windy and cold pretty well all over Wales and the Midlands AFAICS.Sandpit said:
High winds and sandstorms here, low visibility but 35°C.RochdalePioneers said:How has the weather been for most people today? Her in Buchan its been mostly overcast with sunny spells - but dry and warm enough for short sleeves.
This could be kristallnacht for my vegetable patch.
So much grey, so much cold, so much rubbish0 -
Not even that necessarily. Smaller organizations can be more efficient as they can have fewer layers and can reduce time spent on coordination and communication massively.RobD said:
No, but it would be false to claim that there would be no additional cost involved, don't you think?Philip_Thompson said:
It's a silly thing to argue over.RobD said:
No one is arguing that they shouldn't have them. They are arguing that they wouldn't come for free.Philip_Thompson said:
So being an independent country requires having agencies?CarlottaVance said:
Before SIndyref1 the UK government drew up a list of UK agencies serving all the UK - that Scotland would need to replicate on independence, assuming they wanted to maintain the same services. There were over 200, compared to the 50 currently in Scotland.eek said:
And those jobs would need to be done if Scotland was independent.CarlottaVance said:
Quite true.sarissa said:
Spending FOR Scotland is not the same as spending IN Scotland.CarlottaVance said:The survey also found that most independence supporters agreed with other verifiably false statements relating to official Scottish Government figures. These are myths widely shared on social media which, to be blunt, imply that the Scottish Government’s economists are idiots.
- 54 per cent of independence supporters agree that 'Scottish tax revenues are understated because of Scottish exports leaving via English ports'
- 66 per cent agree that 'Scottish tax revenues are understated because taxes generated by the whisky industry are not properly allocated to Scotland'
- 55 per cent agree that 'Scotland is only seen to be running a deficit because some costs outside of Scotland, like HS2 and infrastructure spending in the South East, are charged to Scotland'
This denial of the Scottish Government’s economic data and belief in myths about how the figures are compiled is consistent with our survey’s finding that only 20 per cent of independence supporters are aware that total public spending in Scotland is more than the amount raised in taxes.
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/independence-case-is-built-on-myths-denial-and-conspiracy-theories
A fair chunk of spending IN Scotland is FOR rUK.
For example:
There are more civil servants in Scotland and Wales working for Whitehall departments than for the Scottish and Welsh governments.
https://www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/explainers/location-of-civil-service
Or they will be lost and the Red Wall will celebrate even more jobs...
So what? Just do it. Independent countries have agencies, it's not a deal breaker.
Denmark, Finland, Norway and Ireland all have about the same population as Scotland. Do any of them have trouble paying for or staffing their required agencies?0 -
Perhaps the bigger story here is that the redistribution of House seats following the Census is far less than when the original Census predictions came out last year. The official Census count is a lot more favourable to the Democrats which is getting the Republicans asking questions. And the Census Board is directing questions to the White House, which is not the standard pattern.rcs1000 said:
How would a census show that?contrarian said:
More manna from heaven for the Trump tendency comes in the form of the new US census. The census apparently shows 5 million more votes were counted in 2020 than people recorded as voting.MrEd said:
Worth taking a look at the results of the TX-6 special election. This was a seat Trump won by 3pc in 2020, is in the Dallas / Fort Worth area and the sort of Texas seat Democrats need to win to make advances in the state. Two Republican candidates went through to the final round and the Democrats only garnered 36pc of the vote.stodge said:
I think one of the real political events of interest in 2022 will be the GOP primaries for the midterms where we'll see the battle for the soul of the Republican Party played out between the pro-Trump and anti-Trump factions and will we see the first indications of a schism?Philip_Thompson said:
The GOP have been circling the drain for decades.
Will defeated pro-Trump primary candidates run as third party or Patriot Party candidates for example?
Smaller scale but in a Texas school district where it was a conservative PAC vs progressive Critical Race Theorists, the latter got absolutely slaughtered, with the former taking all seats.
Funnily enough, Biden’s supposed stellar polling ratings or the “popularity” of the progressive agenda doesn’t seem to be translating into votes in the suburbs
Its going to run and run with repub voters, this.
How about you share a link demonstrating that "5 million more votes were counted in 2020 than people recorded as voting."
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The "apparently" means he read it on 4chan.rcs1000 said:
How would a census show that?contrarian said:
More manna from heaven for the Trump tendency comes in the form of the new US census. The census apparently shows 5 million more votes were counted in 2020 than people recorded as voting.MrEd said:
Worth taking a look at the results of the TX-6 special election. This was a seat Trump won by 3pc in 2020, is in the Dallas / Fort Worth area and the sort of Texas seat Democrats need to win to make advances in the state. Two Republican candidates went through to the final round and the Democrats only garnered 36pc of the vote.stodge said:
I think one of the real political events of interest in 2022 will be the GOP primaries for the midterms where we'll see the battle for the soul of the Republican Party played out between the pro-Trump and anti-Trump factions and will we see the first indications of a schism?Philip_Thompson said:
The GOP have been circling the drain for decades.
Will defeated pro-Trump primary candidates run as third party or Patriot Party candidates for example?
Smaller scale but in a Texas school district where it was a conservative PAC vs progressive Critical Race Theorists, the latter got absolutely slaughtered, with the former taking all seats.
Funnily enough, Biden’s supposed stellar polling ratings or the “popularity” of the progressive agenda doesn’t seem to be translating into votes in the suburbs
Its going to run and run with repub voters, this.
How about you share a link demonstrating that "5 million more votes were counted in 2020 than people recorded as voting."2 -
A discussed below, no official Conservative candidate in Richmond - and "that one in Wales" was intended to give Boris a bloody nose.rcs1000 said:
Eh?MarqueeMark said:Tomorrow is the 21st anniversary of the last time the LibDems won a Westminster seat from the Conservatives (Romsey).
Richmond Park
and that one in Wales0 -
Doesn't matter really.Omnium said:
Seems like an almost invented story to me. An unattributed quote talking about how others felt?ydoethur said:
Now they know how everyone else working for the government feels.TheScreamingEagles said:Exclusive: Tory staff furious over flat refurbishment after being told no cash for pay rises
Officials at CCHQ and regional offices have not had a pay rise since Boris Johnson swept to victory in 2019
Conservative Party HQ staff are in uproar over the costly revamp of Boris Johnson's Downing Street flat after officials were told there was no money for pay rises.
Party officials were "furious" to discover that almost £60,000 from Conservative Campaign Headquarters (CCHQ) funds was channelled to pay an invoice for the flat refurbishment while at the same time staff were informed their pay was being frozen.
Officials at CCHQ and at regional offices have not had a pay rise since Boris Johnson swept to victory in 2019. The Telegraph understands that in February, Aimee Henderson, the Conservative Party's finance director, told employees the party was in no position to "splash the cash".
Ms Henderson said a pay rise even linked to inflation inflation would not be possible this year.
It has now emerged that at about the same time, the Conservative Party picked up part of the tab for the flat in Downing Street occupied by Mr Johnson and his fiancee, Carrie Symonds. It is alleged that the party paid £58,000 towards the revamp....
...One Tory staff member said: "People in HQ and in the field were furious that, after we'd all worked so hard on the general election, we couldn't even have a pay rise in line with inflation. The finance director said it was no time to 'splash the cash', which went down very badly."
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2021/05/03/exclusive-tory-staff-furious-flat-refurbishment-told-no-cash/?utm_content=telegraph&utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1620072829
What’s amusing is we can quote their own crocodile tears about the (genuine) cuts and pay freezes in the private sector back to them.
What are The Telegraph, just about the only entity BoJo has been faithful to, doing running such a disagreeable story about their blue-eyed boy?0 -
One wonders why one bothered to be a Brexiter sometimes.Foxy said:
Spend two weeks for two years in a property that you own in Portugal, worth €350 000 and you get a Golden Visa, and can escape the folly that the Brexiteers have inflicted on the rest of us. Apparently the language test for citizenship isn't too bad either.Leon said:
This is, I think, the autumn-winter-spring that finally tips me into buying a bolthole abroad. Portugal or Greece. Enough, nowCasino_Royale said:
The weather is diabolical in Hampshire. Driving rain and what sounds like gale-force winds too.Leon said:
SHITE in north London. Unredeemed SHITEydoethur said:
Wet, windy and cold pretty well all over Wales and the Midlands AFAICS.Sandpit said:
High winds and sandstorms here, low visibility but 35°C.RochdalePioneers said:How has the weather been for most people today? Her in Buchan its been mostly overcast with sunny spells - but dry and warm enough for short sleeves.
This could be kristallnacht for my vegetable patch.
So much grey, so much cold, so much rubbish0 -
Greece is €250,000 for a visa but the alphabet is something I can't cope with.Foxy said:
Spend two weeks for two years in a property that you own in Portugal, worth €350 000 and you get a Golden Visa, and can escape the folly that the Brexiteers have inflicted on the rest of us. Apparently the language test for citizenship isn't too bad either.Leon said:
This is, I think, the autumn-winter-spring that finally tips me into buying a bolthole abroad. Portugal or Greece. Enough, nowCasino_Royale said:
The weather is diabolical in Hampshire. Driving rain and what sounds like gale-force winds too.Leon said:
SHITE in north London. Unredeemed SHITEydoethur said:
Wet, windy and cold pretty well all over Wales and the Midlands AFAICS.Sandpit said:
High winds and sandstorms here, low visibility but 35°C.RochdalePioneers said:How has the weather been for most people today? Her in Buchan its been mostly overcast with sunny spells - but dry and warm enough for short sleeves.
This could be kristallnacht for my vegetable patch.
So much grey, so much cold, so much rubbish
However while a Golden visa does allow you to work in that country it won't allow you to work in other european countries.0 -
Haven't seen that one. Oh dear. Let's be honest, if Trump had won and that snippet came out, this site would have exploded with outrage.contrarian said:
More manna from heaven for the Trump tendency comes in the form of the new US census. The census apparently shows 5 million more votes were counted in 2020 than people recorded as voting.MrEd said:
Worth taking a look at the results of the TX-6 special election. This was a seat Trump won by 3pc in 2020, is in the Dallas / Fort Worth area and the sort of Texas seat Democrats need to win to make advances in the state. Two Republican candidates went through to the final round and the Democrats only garnered 36pc of the vote.stodge said:
I think one of the real political events of interest in 2022 will be the GOP primaries for the midterms where we'll see the battle for the soul of the Republican Party played out between the pro-Trump and anti-Trump factions and will we see the first indications of a schism?Philip_Thompson said:
The GOP have been circling the drain for decades.
Will defeated pro-Trump primary candidates run as third party or Patriot Party candidates for example?
Smaller scale but in a Texas school district where it was a conservative PAC vs progressive Critical Race Theorists, the latter got absolutely slaughtered, with the former taking all seats.
Funnily enough, Biden’s supposed stellar polling ratings or the “popularity” of the progressive agenda doesn’t seem to be translating into votes in the suburbs
Its going to run and run with repub voters, this.
@stodge BTW, I didn't comment on what you asked about whether the Trump faction would be in control. Short answer is yes - Susan Wright (who looks to be favourite to win TX-6) was Trump's backed candidate and came out after the vote quoting MAGA.0 -
Yes, the Greek alphabet is a Hellas experience.eek said:
Greece is €250,000 for a visa but the alphabet is something I can't cope with.Foxy said:
Spend two weeks for two years in a property that you own in Portugal, worth €350 000 and you get a Golden Visa, and can escape the folly that the Brexiteers have inflicted on the rest of us. Apparently the language test for citizenship isn't too bad either.Leon said:
This is, I think, the autumn-winter-spring that finally tips me into buying a bolthole abroad. Portugal or Greece. Enough, nowCasino_Royale said:
The weather is diabolical in Hampshire. Driving rain and what sounds like gale-force winds too.Leon said:
SHITE in north London. Unredeemed SHITEydoethur said:
Wet, windy and cold pretty well all over Wales and the Midlands AFAICS.Sandpit said:
High winds and sandstorms here, low visibility but 35°C.RochdalePioneers said:How has the weather been for most people today? Her in Buchan its been mostly overcast with sunny spells - but dry and warm enough for short sleeves.
This could be kristallnacht for my vegetable patch.
So much grey, so much cold, so much rubbish0 -
Here we go again... zzzzzzzzMrEd said:
Perhaps the bigger story here is that the redistribution of House seats following the Census is far less than when the original Census predictions came out last year. The official Census count is a lot more favourable to the Democrats which is getting the Republicans asking questions. And the Census Board is directing questions to the White House, which is not the standard pattern.rcs1000 said:
How would a census show that?contrarian said:
More manna from heaven for the Trump tendency comes in the form of the new US census. The census apparently shows 5 million more votes were counted in 2020 than people recorded as voting.MrEd said:
Worth taking a look at the results of the TX-6 special election. This was a seat Trump won by 3pc in 2020, is in the Dallas / Fort Worth area and the sort of Texas seat Democrats need to win to make advances in the state. Two Republican candidates went through to the final round and the Democrats only garnered 36pc of the vote.stodge said:
I think one of the real political events of interest in 2022 will be the GOP primaries for the midterms where we'll see the battle for the soul of the Republican Party played out between the pro-Trump and anti-Trump factions and will we see the first indications of a schism?Philip_Thompson said:
The GOP have been circling the drain for decades.
Will defeated pro-Trump primary candidates run as third party or Patriot Party candidates for example?
Smaller scale but in a Texas school district where it was a conservative PAC vs progressive Critical Race Theorists, the latter got absolutely slaughtered, with the former taking all seats.
Funnily enough, Biden’s supposed stellar polling ratings or the “popularity” of the progressive agenda doesn’t seem to be translating into votes in the suburbs
Its going to run and run with repub voters, this.
How about you share a link demonstrating that "5 million more votes were counted in 2020 than people recorded as voting."1 -
Texas 6th CD is a bit more conservative that the ideal target for Dems in these parts, Trumpsky did win it by just 3% over Biden, but the late Mr Wright (husband of yesterday's top vote-getter) was 9% ahead of his Democratic challenger last fall.MrEd said:
Worth taking a look at the results of the TX-6 special election. This was a seat Trump won by 3pc in 2020, is in the Dallas / Fort Worth area and the sort of Texas seat Democrats need to win to make advances in the state. Two Republican candidates went through to the final round and the Democrats only garnered 36pc of the vote.stodge said:
I think one of the real political events of interest in 2022 will be the GOP primaries for the midterms where we'll see the battle for the soul of the Republican Party played out between the pro-Trump and anti-Trump factions and will we see the first indications of a schism?Philip_Thompson said:
The GOP have been circling the drain for decades.
Will defeated pro-Trump primary candidates run as third party or Patriot Party candidates for example?
Smaller scale but in a Texas school district where it was a conservative PAC vs progressive Critical Race Theorists, the latter got absolutely slaughtered, with the former taking all seats.
Funnily enough, Biden’s supposed stellar polling ratings or the “popularity” of the progressive agenda doesn’t seem to be translating into votes in the suburbs
And part of the Dem's problem yesterday was low turnout. Which will be much less of a problem in 2020 midterms.
That said, one other factoid from TX CD06 special election, was that the lone anti-Trump Republican hopeful, Michael Wood, got just 5% of the GOP vote and 3% of the total vote.0 -
Just saw this one @contrarian, you beat me to itcontrarian said:
Battle? it won't be a battle. It will be a massacre.stodge said:
I think one of the real political events of interest in 2022 will be the GOP primaries for the midterms where we'll see the battle for the soul of the Republican Party played out between the pro-Trump and anti-Trump factions and will we see the first indications of a schism?Philip_Thompson said:
The GOP have been circling the drain for decades.
Will defeated pro-Trump primary candidates run as third party or Patriot Party candidates for example?
Recent Texas Special election, Trump endorsed candidate came top. Followed by another Repub. Dems trailing.
NeverTrump candidate? hardly registered.
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Their story about Boris splashing the cash in Scotland was designed to rile up the shire tories, tooStuartinromford said:
Doesn't matter really.Omnium said:
Seems like an almost invented story to me. An unattributed quote talking about how others felt?ydoethur said:
Now they know how everyone else working for the government feels.TheScreamingEagles said:Exclusive: Tory staff furious over flat refurbishment after being told no cash for pay rises
Officials at CCHQ and regional offices have not had a pay rise since Boris Johnson swept to victory in 2019
Conservative Party HQ staff are in uproar over the costly revamp of Boris Johnson's Downing Street flat after officials were told there was no money for pay rises.
Party officials were "furious" to discover that almost £60,000 from Conservative Campaign Headquarters (CCHQ) funds was channelled to pay an invoice for the flat refurbishment while at the same time staff were informed their pay was being frozen.
Officials at CCHQ and at regional offices have not had a pay rise since Boris Johnson swept to victory in 2019. The Telegraph understands that in February, Aimee Henderson, the Conservative Party's finance director, told employees the party was in no position to "splash the cash".
Ms Henderson said a pay rise even linked to inflation inflation would not be possible this year.
It has now emerged that at about the same time, the Conservative Party picked up part of the tab for the flat in Downing Street occupied by Mr Johnson and his fiancee, Carrie Symonds. It is alleged that the party paid £58,000 towards the revamp....
...One Tory staff member said: "People in HQ and in the field were furious that, after we'd all worked so hard on the general election, we couldn't even have a pay rise in line with inflation. The finance director said it was no time to 'splash the cash', which went down very badly."
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2021/05/03/exclusive-tory-staff-furious-flat-refurbishment-told-no-cash/?utm_content=telegraph&utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1620072829
What’s amusing is we can quote their own crocodile tears about the (genuine) cuts and pay freezes in the private sector back to them.
What are The Telegraph, just about the only entity BoJo has been faithful to, doing running such a disagreeable story about their blue-eyed boy?
I think they’re done with him.
The main dynamic is that Starmer clearly doesn’t frighten the horses in the way Corbyn did. They have less to lose by wielding the knife.0 -
Ah, bless. Look who has popped up againAnabobazina said:
Here we go again... zzzzzzzzMrEd said:
Perhaps the bigger story here is that the redistribution of House seats following the Census is far less than when the original Census predictions came out last year. The official Census count is a lot more favourable to the Democrats which is getting the Republicans asking questions. And the Census Board is directing questions to the White House, which is not the standard pattern.rcs1000 said:
How would a census show that?contrarian said:
More manna from heaven for the Trump tendency comes in the form of the new US census. The census apparently shows 5 million more votes were counted in 2020 than people recorded as voting.MrEd said:
Worth taking a look at the results of the TX-6 special election. This was a seat Trump won by 3pc in 2020, is in the Dallas / Fort Worth area and the sort of Texas seat Democrats need to win to make advances in the state. Two Republican candidates went through to the final round and the Democrats only garnered 36pc of the vote.stodge said:
I think one of the real political events of interest in 2022 will be the GOP primaries for the midterms where we'll see the battle for the soul of the Republican Party played out between the pro-Trump and anti-Trump factions and will we see the first indications of a schism?Philip_Thompson said:
The GOP have been circling the drain for decades.
Will defeated pro-Trump primary candidates run as third party or Patriot Party candidates for example?
Smaller scale but in a Texas school district where it was a conservative PAC vs progressive Critical Race Theorists, the latter got absolutely slaughtered, with the former taking all seats.
Funnily enough, Biden’s supposed stellar polling ratings or the “popularity” of the progressive agenda doesn’t seem to be translating into votes in the suburbs
Its going to run and run with repub voters, this.
How about you share a link demonstrating that "5 million more votes were counted in 2020 than people recorded as voting." 0 -
Ask question about a census that Trumpsky and his minions at the Census Bureau worked overtime to massage in THEIR favor? Not surprising, really, given his & their track record!Anabobazina said:
Here we go again... zzzzzzzzMrEd said:
Perhaps the bigger story here is that the redistribution of House seats following the Census is far less than when the original Census predictions came out last year. The official Census count is a lot more favourable to the Democrats which is getting the Republicans asking questions. And the Census Board is directing questions to the White House, which is not the standard pattern.rcs1000 said:
How would a census show that?contrarian said:
More manna from heaven for the Trump tendency comes in the form of the new US census. The census apparently shows 5 million more votes were counted in 2020 than people recorded as voting.MrEd said:
Worth taking a look at the results of the TX-6 special election. This was a seat Trump won by 3pc in 2020, is in the Dallas / Fort Worth area and the sort of Texas seat Democrats need to win to make advances in the state. Two Republican candidates went through to the final round and the Democrats only garnered 36pc of the vote.stodge said:
I think one of the real political events of interest in 2022 will be the GOP primaries for the midterms where we'll see the battle for the soul of the Republican Party played out between the pro-Trump and anti-Trump factions and will we see the first indications of a schism?Philip_Thompson said:
The GOP have been circling the drain for decades.
Will defeated pro-Trump primary candidates run as third party or Patriot Party candidates for example?
Smaller scale but in a Texas school district where it was a conservative PAC vs progressive Critical Race Theorists, the latter got absolutely slaughtered, with the former taking all seats.
Funnily enough, Biden’s supposed stellar polling ratings or the “popularity” of the progressive agenda doesn’t seem to be translating into votes in the suburbs
Its going to run and run with repub voters, this.
How about you share a link demonstrating that "5 million more votes were counted in 2020 than people recorded as voting."1 -
How many weeks residence per year though to apply for citizenship in Greece?eek said:
Greece is €250,000 for a visa but the alphabet is something I can't cope with.Foxy said:
Spend two weeks for two years in a property that you own in Portugal, worth €350 000 and you get a Golden Visa, and can escape the folly that the Brexiteers have inflicted on the rest of us. Apparently the language test for citizenship isn't too bad either.Leon said:
This is, I think, the autumn-winter-spring that finally tips me into buying a bolthole abroad. Portugal or Greece. Enough, nowCasino_Royale said:
The weather is diabolical in Hampshire. Driving rain and what sounds like gale-force winds too.Leon said:
SHITE in north London. Unredeemed SHITEydoethur said:
Wet, windy and cold pretty well all over Wales and the Midlands AFAICS.Sandpit said:
High winds and sandstorms here, low visibility but 35°C.RochdalePioneers said:How has the weather been for most people today? Her in Buchan its been mostly overcast with sunny spells - but dry and warm enough for short sleeves.
This could be kristallnacht for my vegetable patch.
So much grey, so much cold, so much rubbish
However while a Golden visa does allow you to work in that country it won't allow you to work in other european countries.0 -
Don’t be so hard on yourself?Leon said:
SHITE in north London. Unredeemed SHITEydoethur said:
Wet, windy and cold pretty well all over Wales and the Midlands AFAICS.Sandpit said:
High winds and sandstorms here, low visibility but 35°C.RochdalePioneers said:How has the weather been for most people today? Her in Buchan its been mostly overcast with sunny spells - but dry and warm enough for short sleeves.
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Learning it is a true odyssey, alright. Just ask any frat boy.TheScreamingEagles said:
Yes, the Greek alphabet is a Hellas experience.eek said:
Greece is €250,000 for a visa but the alphabet is something I can't cope with.Foxy said:
Spend two weeks for two years in a property that you own in Portugal, worth €350 000 and you get a Golden Visa, and can escape the folly that the Brexiteers have inflicted on the rest of us. Apparently the language test for citizenship isn't too bad either.Leon said:
This is, I think, the autumn-winter-spring that finally tips me into buying a bolthole abroad. Portugal or Greece. Enough, nowCasino_Royale said:
The weather is diabolical in Hampshire. Driving rain and what sounds like gale-force winds too.Leon said:
SHITE in north London. Unredeemed SHITEydoethur said:
Wet, windy and cold pretty well all over Wales and the Midlands AFAICS.Sandpit said:
High winds and sandstorms here, low visibility but 35°C.RochdalePioneers said:How has the weather been for most people today? Her in Buchan its been mostly overcast with sunny spells - but dry and warm enough for short sleeves.
This could be kristallnacht for my vegetable patch.
So much grey, so much cold, so much rubbish0 -
Inspiring no matter what, but from the ward they're standing in probably won't win?Casino_Royale said:"I was born in hell, but now I live in heaven."
North Korean refugee - who faced torture and starvation, and was sold into marriage - explains why she's standing for the Tories in Bury:
https://www.ctvnews.ca/world/she-escaped-from-north-korea-twice-and-now-she-s-running-for-office-in-the-u-k-1.54113750 -
Yes, the Never Trumpers are dust, not least due to what happened over at the Lincoln Project and all the scandals there plus Liz Cheney's antics which are p1ssing off a lot of GOPers (many of whom voted for her in the House GOP vote).SeaShantyIrish2 said:
Texas 6th CD is a bit more conservative that the ideal target for Dems in these parts, Trumpsky did win it by just 3% over Biden, but the late Mr Wright (husband of yesterday's top vote-getter) was 9% ahead of his Democratic challenger last fall.MrEd said:
Worth taking a look at the results of the TX-6 special election. This was a seat Trump won by 3pc in 2020, is in the Dallas / Fort Worth area and the sort of Texas seat Democrats need to win to make advances in the state. Two Republican candidates went through to the final round and the Democrats only garnered 36pc of the vote.stodge said:
I think one of the real political events of interest in 2022 will be the GOP primaries for the midterms where we'll see the battle for the soul of the Republican Party played out between the pro-Trump and anti-Trump factions and will we see the first indications of a schism?Philip_Thompson said:
The GOP have been circling the drain for decades.
Will defeated pro-Trump primary candidates run as third party or Patriot Party candidates for example?
Smaller scale but in a Texas school district where it was a conservative PAC vs progressive Critical Race Theorists, the latter got absolutely slaughtered, with the former taking all seats.
Funnily enough, Biden’s supposed stellar polling ratings or the “popularity” of the progressive agenda doesn’t seem to be translating into votes in the suburbs
And part of the Dem's problem yesterday was low turnout. Which will be much less of a problem in 2020 midterms.
That said, one other factoid from TX CD06 special election, was that the lone anti-Trump Republican hopeful, Michael Wood, got just 5% of the GOP vote and 3% of the total vote.
Get your point re Mr Wright / turnout but this is a seat where the Democrat should have at least got through to the final round. Plus Mrs Wright had Trump's endorsement, which suggests he may not have the polarising effect he had 6 months ago (FWIW, I think that is the case given his relative silence)0 -
Still fighting yesterday’s war I see. I realise how hard it is for you to let go.MrEd said:
Ah, bless. Look who has popped up againAnabobazina said:
Here we go again... zzzzzzzzMrEd said:
Perhaps the bigger story here is that the redistribution of House seats following the Census is far less than when the original Census predictions came out last year. The official Census count is a lot more favourable to the Democrats which is getting the Republicans asking questions. And the Census Board is directing questions to the White House, which is not the standard pattern.rcs1000 said:
How would a census show that?contrarian said:
More manna from heaven for the Trump tendency comes in the form of the new US census. The census apparently shows 5 million more votes were counted in 2020 than people recorded as voting.MrEd said:
Worth taking a look at the results of the TX-6 special election. This was a seat Trump won by 3pc in 2020, is in the Dallas / Fort Worth area and the sort of Texas seat Democrats need to win to make advances in the state. Two Republican candidates went through to the final round and the Democrats only garnered 36pc of the vote.stodge said:
I think one of the real political events of interest in 2022 will be the GOP primaries for the midterms where we'll see the battle for the soul of the Republican Party played out between the pro-Trump and anti-Trump factions and will we see the first indications of a schism?Philip_Thompson said:
The GOP have been circling the drain for decades.
Will defeated pro-Trump primary candidates run as third party or Patriot Party candidates for example?
Smaller scale but in a Texas school district where it was a conservative PAC vs progressive Critical Race Theorists, the latter got absolutely slaughtered, with the former taking all seats.
Funnily enough, Biden’s supposed stellar polling ratings or the “popularity” of the progressive agenda doesn’t seem to be translating into votes in the suburbs
Its going to run and run with repub voters, this.
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Nope, the Census is about 2022's war - the one in which the Dems will get absolutely slaughteredAnabobazina said:
Still fighting yesterday’s war I see. I realise how hard it is for you to let go.MrEd said:
Ah, bless. Look who has popped up againAnabobazina said:
Here we go again... zzzzzzzzMrEd said:
Perhaps the bigger story here is that the redistribution of House seats following the Census is far less than when the original Census predictions came out last year. The official Census count is a lot more favourable to the Democrats which is getting the Republicans asking questions. And the Census Board is directing questions to the White House, which is not the standard pattern.rcs1000 said:
How would a census show that?contrarian said:
More manna from heaven for the Trump tendency comes in the form of the new US census. The census apparently shows 5 million more votes were counted in 2020 than people recorded as voting.MrEd said:
Worth taking a look at the results of the TX-6 special election. This was a seat Trump won by 3pc in 2020, is in the Dallas / Fort Worth area and the sort of Texas seat Democrats need to win to make advances in the state. Two Republican candidates went through to the final round and the Democrats only garnered 36pc of the vote.stodge said:
I think one of the real political events of interest in 2022 will be the GOP primaries for the midterms where we'll see the battle for the soul of the Republican Party played out between the pro-Trump and anti-Trump factions and will we see the first indications of a schism?Philip_Thompson said:
The GOP have been circling the drain for decades.
Will defeated pro-Trump primary candidates run as third party or Patriot Party candidates for example?
Smaller scale but in a Texas school district where it was a conservative PAC vs progressive Critical Race Theorists, the latter got absolutely slaughtered, with the former taking all seats.
Funnily enough, Biden’s supposed stellar polling ratings or the “popularity” of the progressive agenda doesn’t seem to be translating into votes in the suburbs
Its going to run and run with repub voters, this.
How about you share a link demonstrating that "5 million more votes were counted in 2020 than people recorded as voting." 0 -
Troy as you might, it is hard to beat Greece.TheScreamingEagles said:
Yes, the Greek alphabet is a Hellas experience.eek said:
Greece is €250,000 for a visa but the alphabet is something I can't cope with.Foxy said:
Spend two weeks for two years in a property that you own in Portugal, worth €350 000 and you get a Golden Visa, and can escape the folly that the Brexiteers have inflicted on the rest of us. Apparently the language test for citizenship isn't too bad either.Leon said:
This is, I think, the autumn-winter-spring that finally tips me into buying a bolthole abroad. Portugal or Greece. Enough, nowCasino_Royale said:
The weather is diabolical in Hampshire. Driving rain and what sounds like gale-force winds too.Leon said:
SHITE in north London. Unredeemed SHITEydoethur said:
Wet, windy and cold pretty well all over Wales and the Midlands AFAICS.Sandpit said:
High winds and sandstorms here, low visibility but 35°C.RochdalePioneers said:How has the weather been for most people today? Her in Buchan its been mostly overcast with sunny spells - but dry and warm enough for short sleeves.
This could be kristallnacht for my vegetable patch.
So much grey, so much cold, so much rubbish0
