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  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,419

    algarkirk said:

    It's the 'chuckled for several seconds' that's really disturbing. Presumably that's Plan B if Alba are a complete bust.

    https://twitter.com/paulhutcheon/status/1389222621028421637?s=20

    I don't support Nicola politically at all, but greatly admire her. I hope and think that in any contest between her and Salmond she will come first (by a mile); and that in any contest between her and Boris she will come an honourable second.

    Salmond is rated as less trustworthy than Boris Johnson in Scotland!
    I think these things can be more of a proxy for political opinion than an actual measure of trustworthiness. Unionist party supporters obviously aren't going to find Salmond trustworthy. And for SNP supporters, they know he's right about Sturgeon, but are furious with him for looking like spoiling the party. That gives him a constituency of independence supporters who don't have a strong enough stomach to stick with Sturgeon's visibly decomposing administration, and as we've seen here, those people are few and far between.
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 3,883

    IanB2 said:

    kinabalu said:

    An empty vessel makes the most noise, but a brick is more sound.

    If something that one knows will cause much distress and confusion can be strangled at birth, should it be?
    I do not question the wisdom of the Divine Author.
    Funny sort of god, that hangs around bus station bookstands
    God IS a funny one, ain't she?

    Simon & Garfunkel - The Sounds of Silence
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fWyzwo1xg0

    SOUNDS OF SILENCE
    Paul Simon (and a huge hit for Simon and Garfunkel back in ancient times)

    Hello darkness, my old friend
    I've come to talk with you again
    Because a vision softly creeping
    Left its seeds while I was sleeping
    And the vision that was planted in my brain
    Still remains
    Within the sound of silence

    In restless dreams I walked alone
    Narrow streets of cobblestone
    'Neath the halo of a street lamp
    I turned my collar to the cold and damp
    When my eyes were stabbed by the flash of a neon light
    That split the night
    And touched the sound of silence

    And in the naked light I saw
    Ten thousand people, maybe more
    People talking without speaking
    People hearing without listening
    People writing songs that voices never share
    No one dared
    Disturb the sound of silence

    "Fools" said I, "You do not know
    Silence like a cancer grows
    Hear my words that I might teach you
    Take my arms that I might reach you"
    But my words like silent raindrops fell
    And echoed in the wells of silence

    And the people bowed and prayed
    To the neon god they made
    And the sign flashed out its warning
    In the words that it was forming
    And the sign said, "The words of the prophets
    Are written on the subway walls
    And tenement halls
    And whispered in the sounds of silence"

    Sadly the yt link is unavailable in the uk.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,561

    How has the weather been for most people today? Her in Buchan its been mostly overcast with sunny spells - but dry and warm enough for short sleeves.

    South Devon managed to avoid the rain until late afternoon, but it has been 50+ mph wind through the day - nearer 60 mph currently.
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,375
    ping said:

    This might be the greatest pun in human history.


    Probably too well known, but my favourite was the shop that sold cheap camping gear and was called:

    Now is the Winter of our Discount Tent
    There is a dog groomer in Brierley Hill called "Doggy Style".

    My favourite however is an estate agent in Kidderminster, and no word of a lie, the names are genuine. "Doolittle and Dalley".
    Our dog groomer is Bone Idol, which is pretty good.
    You have a dog groomer?!!

    I thought they were fictional things from the movies.

    People actually pay money for someone to groom their dog?

    Bonkers
    That's harsh. The wife's really. A little fluffy white bichon frise, name of Mabel. If she's not groomed, she wouldn't be able to see after a couple of months (the dog, not the wife).

    And anyway, we don't pay as she is used as a practice dog for apprentices. Risky, but cheap.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,249
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  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,175
    HYUFD said:

    Tomorrow is the 21st anniversary of the last time the LibDems won a Westminster seat from the Conservatives (Romsey).

    No, they won the Richmond Park by election from the Conservatives less than 5 years ago in 2016
    No Tory candidate?
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,249
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  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,860
    stodge said:

    How has the weather been for most people today? Her in Buchan its been mostly overcast with sunny spells - but dry and warm enough for short sleeves.

    Started okay but has deteriorated through the day with the wind getting up (no sniggering in the cheap seats) and some light rain this evening.
    Serious gale force winds along the channel this evening.

    Meanwhile Chesham LDs must be wishing they had some kind of betting expert who they could get to write to their voters...
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,249
    Vaccinations

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  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 10,759
    I've often been critical of the Lib Dems, or possibly Lib Dem (they've become thin on the ground).

    Today Leyla Moran appeared on tv and spoke the most sense and sounded the most coherent of any LD politician for ages. Admittedly she wasn't reflecting LD policy, but its so nice to hear sense in the vacuum that has been the middle of British politics for ten years.

  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,249
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  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,561
    HYUFD said:

    Tomorrow is the 21st anniversary of the last time the LibDems won a Westminster seat from the Conservatives (Romsey).

    No, they won the Richmond Park by election from the Conservatives less than 5 years ago in 2016
    Conservatives didn't stand though.
  • eekeek Posts: 28,368

    sarissa said:

    The survey also found that most independence supporters agreed with other verifiably false statements relating to official Scottish Government figures. These are myths widely shared on social media which, to be blunt, imply that the Scottish Government’s economists are idiots.

    - 54 per cent of independence supporters agree that 'Scottish tax revenues are understated because of Scottish exports leaving via English ports'

    - 66 per cent agree that 'Scottish tax revenues are understated because taxes generated by the whisky industry are not properly allocated to Scotland'

    - 55 per cent agree that 'Scotland is only seen to be running a deficit because some costs outside of Scotland, like HS2 and infrastructure spending in the South East, are charged to Scotland'

    This denial of the Scottish Government’s economic data and belief in myths about how the figures are compiled is consistent with our survey’s finding that only 20 per cent of independence supporters are aware that total public spending in Scotland is more than the amount raised in taxes.


    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/independence-case-is-built-on-myths-denial-and-conspiracy-theories

    Spending FOR Scotland is not the same as spending IN Scotland.
    Quite true.

    A fair chunk of spending IN Scotland is FOR rUK.

    For example:

    There are more civil servants in Scotland and Wales working for Whitehall departments than for the Scottish and Welsh governments.



    https://www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/explainers/location-of-civil-service
    And those jobs would need to be done if Scotland was independent.

    Or they will be lost and the Red Wall will celebrate even more jobs...
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,374

    Tomorrow is the 21st anniversary of the last time the LibDems won a Westminster seat from the Conservatives (Romsey).

    Brecon and Radnor was just two years ago!
  • stodgestodge Posts: 13,874



    The GOP have been circling the drain for decades.

    I think one of the real political events of interest in 2022 will be the GOP primaries for the midterms where we'll see the battle for the soul of the Republican Party played out between the pro-Trump and anti-Trump factions and will we see the first indications of a schism?

    Will defeated pro-Trump primary candidates run as third party or Patriot Party candidates for example?
  • TimTTimT Posts: 6,468

    How has the weather been for most people today? Her in Buchan its been mostly overcast with sunny spells - but dry and warm enough for short sleeves.

    South Devon managed to avoid the rain until late afternoon, but it has been 50+ mph wind through the day - nearer 60 mph currently.
    We had that last Friday. Good for getting the dead wood out of the trees.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,368

    Just checking I've got this right:

    1. Starmer is far too serious, dull, boring, competent, intelligent and staid to warm the hearts of the British public. Especially against BJ, that fount of entertaining charisma, he faces electoral oblivion.

    2. The last thing that Starmer should do is damage his reputation for being serious, boring, intelligent etc. etc. by trying to show that he also has a lighter, more whimsical side to his personality. That would lead to electoral oblivion.

    I am batting for Starmer, but I really think he should avoid the silly stunts. If it's whimsy you are after, Blair played guitar or did "keepy uppies". It was cool. I am not suggesting Starmer tries keepy-uppies, that would be a recipe for disaster, but you know what I mean.Being a smart arse in John Lewis or a boxing club isn't big or clever.

    He's a lawyer. He could do some lawyery stuff. How about this? Go to Tehran on the QT and come back with Mrs Ratcliffe.
    I fear your Tehran suggestion may be more appropriate for the SAS than for a North London lawyer.
    Worth a try, I thought.

    Your idea would be a great stunt for Johnson to perform. As the SAS return to Akrotiri, a heavily camouflaged Johnson carries a shellshocked Mrs Ratcliffe from the Chinook. I am not suggesting Johnson flies in the Chinook (very dangerous) but arrives just before the media.

    All his current troubles would evaporate into the ether.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277
    ydoethur said:

    Sandpit said:

    How has the weather been for most people today? Her in Buchan its been mostly overcast with sunny spells - but dry and warm enough for short sleeves.

    High winds and sandstorms here, low visibility but 35°C.
    Wet, windy and cold pretty well all over Wales and the Midlands AFAICS.
    SHITE in north London. Unredeemed SHITE
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,561
    ydoethur said:

    Tomorrow is the 21st anniversary of the last time the LibDems won a Westminster seat from the Conservatives (Romsey).

    Brecon and Radnor was just two years ago!
    Ah yes - but that was just rank spite by May. By letting the local party have a convicted crim as their candidate, it guaranteed a loss. Thereby giving Boris a loss after 10 tens days of becoming PM!

    One of the more bizarre by-elections. The LibDems didn't so much win it as were gifted it!
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    Several day's data - UK still vaccinating ahead of its population share:

    https://www.politico.eu/coronavirus-in-europe/


  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,561

    Several day's data - UK still vaccinating ahead of its population share:

    https://www.politico.eu/coronavirus-in-europe/


    Germany has finally got its vaccination programme in gear.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    edited May 2021

    Alistair said:

    It's the 'chuckled for several seconds' that's really disturbing. Presumably that's Plan B if Alba are a complete bust.

    https://twitter.com/paulhutcheon/status/1389222621028421637?s=20

    There is a worryingly high (for her) number of people with the a 'destroy Sturgeon' red button. Salmond is no doubt one of them, and I think the UK Government has the means too. She's completely compromised.
    What's the UK Gov's red button. As it stands I don't think launching a nuclear strike on Govanhill is on the table so I'm a bit clueless.
    Circumventing or changing current legal restrictions that currently prevent showing Sturgeon in a negative light. Possibly by extending parliamentary privilege to Holyrood.
    David Davis used Westminster parliamentary privilege to dump a bunch of Salmond material about Sturgeon and no one gave a shit.

    Or are you going for the wackier end of the conspiracy theories?

    My favourite one is the "Everyone knows that" Sturgeon is having an affair with the French Ambassador in Judy Murray's former home in the Bridge of Allan.

    The yooniverse is so convinced it is true to such a degree that it is almost heartbreaking to see their earnestness.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    eek said:

    sarissa said:

    The survey also found that most independence supporters agreed with other verifiably false statements relating to official Scottish Government figures. These are myths widely shared on social media which, to be blunt, imply that the Scottish Government’s economists are idiots.

    - 54 per cent of independence supporters agree that 'Scottish tax revenues are understated because of Scottish exports leaving via English ports'

    - 66 per cent agree that 'Scottish tax revenues are understated because taxes generated by the whisky industry are not properly allocated to Scotland'

    - 55 per cent agree that 'Scotland is only seen to be running a deficit because some costs outside of Scotland, like HS2 and infrastructure spending in the South East, are charged to Scotland'

    This denial of the Scottish Government’s economic data and belief in myths about how the figures are compiled is consistent with our survey’s finding that only 20 per cent of independence supporters are aware that total public spending in Scotland is more than the amount raised in taxes.


    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/independence-case-is-built-on-myths-denial-and-conspiracy-theories

    Spending FOR Scotland is not the same as spending IN Scotland.
    Quite true.

    A fair chunk of spending IN Scotland is FOR rUK.

    For example:

    There are more civil servants in Scotland and Wales working for Whitehall departments than for the Scottish and Welsh governments.



    https://www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/explainers/location-of-civil-service
    And those jobs would need to be done if Scotland was independent.

    Or they will be lost and the Red Wall will celebrate even more jobs...
    Before SIndyref1 the UK government drew up a list of UK agencies serving all the UK - that Scotland would need to replicate on independence, assuming they wanted to maintain the same services. There were over 200, compared to the 50 currently in Scotland.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,153

    IanB2 said:

    This might be the greatest pun in human history.


    You know who else has taken a beating because of problems with property maintenance?
    There’s a drains man round these parts with a van declaring himself the Rodfather...
    There is a Vietnamese soup shop in Bellevue, Washington that calls itself "What the Pho?"
    In East Hampton, there was a place that sold decorative iron railings called:

    Oh the Irony
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,368
    ping said:

    This might be the greatest pun in human history.


    Probably too well known, but my favourite was the shop that sold cheap camping gear and was called:

    Now is the Winter of our Discount Tent
    There is a dog groomer in Brierley Hill called "Doggy Style".

    My favourite however is an estate agent in Kidderminster, and no word of a lie, the names are genuine. "Doolittle and Dalley".
    Our dog groomer is Bone Idol, which is pretty good.
    You have a dog groomer?!!

    I thought they were fictional things from the movies.

    People actually pay money for someone to groom their dog?

    Bonkers
    Don't knock it. This is our way out of the post-Covid economic malaise. A hundred dog groomers in every high street.

    P.S. I am not expecting to be corrected as to the mechanics of supply and demand economics.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,990
    Leon said:

    SHITE in north London. Unredeemed SHITE

    Look on the bright side.

    Normally by now you would be whining incessantly about how unbearably hot your flat is in the Sun.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670

    eek said:

    sarissa said:

    The survey also found that most independence supporters agreed with other verifiably false statements relating to official Scottish Government figures. These are myths widely shared on social media which, to be blunt, imply that the Scottish Government’s economists are idiots.

    - 54 per cent of independence supporters agree that 'Scottish tax revenues are understated because of Scottish exports leaving via English ports'

    - 66 per cent agree that 'Scottish tax revenues are understated because taxes generated by the whisky industry are not properly allocated to Scotland'

    - 55 per cent agree that 'Scotland is only seen to be running a deficit because some costs outside of Scotland, like HS2 and infrastructure spending in the South East, are charged to Scotland'

    This denial of the Scottish Government’s economic data and belief in myths about how the figures are compiled is consistent with our survey’s finding that only 20 per cent of independence supporters are aware that total public spending in Scotland is more than the amount raised in taxes.


    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/independence-case-is-built-on-myths-denial-and-conspiracy-theories

    Spending FOR Scotland is not the same as spending IN Scotland.
    Quite true.

    A fair chunk of spending IN Scotland is FOR rUK.

    For example:

    There are more civil servants in Scotland and Wales working for Whitehall departments than for the Scottish and Welsh governments.



    https://www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/explainers/location-of-civil-service
    And those jobs would need to be done if Scotland was independent.

    Or they will be lost and the Red Wall will celebrate even more jobs...
    Before SIndyref1 the UK government drew up a list of UK agencies serving all the UK - that Scotland would need to replicate on independence, assuming they wanted to maintain the same services. There were over 200, compared to the 50 currently in Scotland.
    Wasn't one of them that Scotland appare tly needed to replicate the Wilton Park Conference Centre?
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,660

    Several day's data - UK still vaccinating ahead of its population share:

    https://www.politico.eu/coronavirus-in-europe/


    Wales 24.4
    Scotland 23.1
    NI 22.2
    Eng 22.2
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    Oh and the English tourist board IIRC.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,411
    Leon said:

    ydoethur said:

    Sandpit said:

    How has the weather been for most people today? Her in Buchan its been mostly overcast with sunny spells - but dry and warm enough for short sleeves.

    High winds and sandstorms here, low visibility but 35°C.
    Wet, windy and cold pretty well all over Wales and the Midlands AFAICS.
    SHITE in north London. Unredeemed SHITE
    The weather is diabolical in Hampshire. Driving rain and what sounds like gale-force winds too.

    This could be kristallnacht for my vegetable patch.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    NI & Wales in particular have a relatively high proportion of civil servants to their population. Scotland is higher than any English region outside London/the North East:


  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,374

    ydoethur said:

    Tomorrow is the 21st anniversary of the last time the LibDems won a Westminster seat from the Conservatives (Romsey).

    Brecon and Radnor was just two years ago!
    Ah yes - but that was just rank spite by May. By letting the local party have a convicted crim as their candidate, it guaranteed a loss. Thereby giving Boris a loss after 10 tens days of becoming PM!

    One of the more bizarre by-elections. The LibDems didn't so much win it as were gifted it!
    So it doesn’t count because you don’t want it to?
  • pingping Posts: 3,805
    edited May 2021

    ping said:

    This might be the greatest pun in human history.


    Probably too well known, but my favourite was the shop that sold cheap camping gear and was called:

    Now is the Winter of our Discount Tent
    There is a dog groomer in Brierley Hill called "Doggy Style".

    My favourite however is an estate agent in Kidderminster, and no word of a lie, the names are genuine. "Doolittle and Dalley".
    Our dog groomer is Bone Idol, which is pretty good.
    You have a dog groomer?!!

    I thought they were fictional things from the movies.

    People actually pay money for someone to groom their dog?

    Bonkers
    Don't knock it. This is our way out of the post-Covid economic malaise. A hundred dog groomers in every high street.

    P.S. I am not expecting to be corrected as to the mechanics of supply and demand economics.
    Don’t get me wrong.

    Economically it’s great that rich people spend their money on labour-intensive local services.

    I fully support that kind of capitalist redistribution of wealth.

    It just strikes me as a bonkers thing to spend your money on. I don’t think I’d be a very good rich person lol.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,957

    Leon said:

    ydoethur said:

    Sandpit said:

    How has the weather been for most people today? Her in Buchan its been mostly overcast with sunny spells - but dry and warm enough for short sleeves.

    High winds and sandstorms here, low visibility but 35°C.
    Wet, windy and cold pretty well all over Wales and the Midlands AFAICS.
    SHITE in north London. Unredeemed SHITE
    The weather is diabolical in Hampshire. Driving rain and what sounds like gale-force winds too.

    This could be kristallnacht for my vegetable patch.
    Ken?
  • contrariancontrarian Posts: 5,818
    stodge said:



    The GOP have been circling the drain for decades.

    I think one of the real political events of interest in 2022 will be the GOP primaries for the midterms where we'll see the battle for the soul of the Republican Party played out between the pro-Trump and anti-Trump factions and will we see the first indications of a schism?

    Will defeated pro-Trump primary candidates run as third party or Patriot Party candidates for example?
    Battle? it won't be a battle. It will be a massacre.

    Recent Texas Special election, Trump endorsed candidate came top. Followed by another Repub. Dems trailing.

    NeverTrump candidate? hardly registered.

  • MrEdMrEd Posts: 5,578
    stodge said:



    The GOP have been circling the drain for decades.

    I think one of the real political events of interest in 2022 will be the GOP primaries for the midterms where we'll see the battle for the soul of the Republican Party played out between the pro-Trump and anti-Trump factions and will we see the first indications of a schism?

    Will defeated pro-Trump primary candidates run as third party or Patriot Party candidates for example?
    Worth taking a look at the results of the TX-6 special election. This was a seat Trump won by 3pc in 2020, is in the Dallas / Fort Worth area and the sort of Texas seat Democrats need to win to make advances in the state. Two Republican candidates went through to the final round and the Democrats only garnered 36pc of the vote.

    Smaller scale but in a Texas school district where it was a conservative PAC vs progressive Critical Race Theorists, the latter got absolutely slaughtered, with the former taking all seats.

    Funnily enough, Biden’s supposed stellar polling ratings or the “popularity” of the progressive agenda doesn’t seem to be translating into votes in the suburbs
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,374
    Oh good grief. Why have the BBC gone with Mr Verbal Diarrhoea John Virgo and Stephen Hendry for the climax?

    Surely you want your two best commentators - that would be McManus and Taylor.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,419
    Alistair said:

    Alistair said:

    It's the 'chuckled for several seconds' that's really disturbing. Presumably that's Plan B if Alba are a complete bust.

    https://twitter.com/paulhutcheon/status/1389222621028421637?s=20

    There is a worryingly high (for her) number of people with the a 'destroy Sturgeon' red button. Salmond is no doubt one of them, and I think the UK Government has the means too. She's completely compromised.
    What's the UK Gov's red button. As it stands I don't think launching a nuclear strike on Govanhill is on the table so I'm a bit clueless.
    Circumventing or changing current legal restrictions that currently prevent showing Sturgeon in a negative light. Possibly by extending parliamentary privilege to Holyrood.
    David Davis used Westminster parliamentary privilege to dump a bunch of Salmond material about Sturgeon and no one gave a shit.

    Or are you going for the wackier end of the conspiracy theories?

    My favourite one is the "Everyone knows that" Sturgeon is having an affair with the French Ambassador in Judy Murray's former home in the Bridge of Allan.

    The yooniverse is so convinced it is true to such a degree that it is almost heartbreaking to see their earnestness.
    You ask me a question to which I can't give an answer.
  • pingping Posts: 3,805
    Tedious frame
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    Alistair said:

    Oh and the English tourist board IIRC.

    "Visit Britain"

    So that's 2 out of 205.....only another 153 to go......

    https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/208120/Public_organisations_list_Scotland_web_version.pdf
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 4,931

    How has the weather been for most people today? Her in Buchan its been mostly overcast with sunny spells - but dry and warm enough for short sleeves.

    Rain, sleet and gales on the Ayrshire Coast. Snow on the hill behind us.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    eek said:

    sarissa said:

    The survey also found that most independence supporters agreed with other verifiably false statements relating to official Scottish Government figures. These are myths widely shared on social media which, to be blunt, imply that the Scottish Government’s economists are idiots.

    - 54 per cent of independence supporters agree that 'Scottish tax revenues are understated because of Scottish exports leaving via English ports'

    - 66 per cent agree that 'Scottish tax revenues are understated because taxes generated by the whisky industry are not properly allocated to Scotland'

    - 55 per cent agree that 'Scotland is only seen to be running a deficit because some costs outside of Scotland, like HS2 and infrastructure spending in the South East, are charged to Scotland'

    This denial of the Scottish Government’s economic data and belief in myths about how the figures are compiled is consistent with our survey’s finding that only 20 per cent of independence supporters are aware that total public spending in Scotland is more than the amount raised in taxes.


    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/independence-case-is-built-on-myths-denial-and-conspiracy-theories

    Spending FOR Scotland is not the same as spending IN Scotland.
    Quite true.

    A fair chunk of spending IN Scotland is FOR rUK.

    For example:

    There are more civil servants in Scotland and Wales working for Whitehall departments than for the Scottish and Welsh governments.



    https://www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/explainers/location-of-civil-service
    And those jobs would need to be done if Scotland was independent.

    Or they will be lost and the Red Wall will celebrate even more jobs...
    Before SIndyref1 the UK government drew up a list of UK agencies serving all the UK - that Scotland would need to replicate on independence, assuming they wanted to maintain the same services. There were over 200, compared to the 50 currently in Scotland.
    So being an independent country requires having agencies?

    So what? Just do it. Independent countries have agencies, it's not a deal breaker.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,374

    How has the weather been for most people today? Her in Buchan its been mostly overcast with sunny spells - but dry and warm enough for short sleeves.

    Rain, sleet and gales on the Ayrshire Coast. Snow on the hill behind us.
    I got caught in a hailstorm while cycling just outside Stafford on Saturday.

    No sign of any snow though.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,926

    eek said:

    sarissa said:

    The survey also found that most independence supporters agreed with other verifiably false statements relating to official Scottish Government figures. These are myths widely shared on social media which, to be blunt, imply that the Scottish Government’s economists are idiots.

    - 54 per cent of independence supporters agree that 'Scottish tax revenues are understated because of Scottish exports leaving via English ports'

    - 66 per cent agree that 'Scottish tax revenues are understated because taxes generated by the whisky industry are not properly allocated to Scotland'

    - 55 per cent agree that 'Scotland is only seen to be running a deficit because some costs outside of Scotland, like HS2 and infrastructure spending in the South East, are charged to Scotland'

    This denial of the Scottish Government’s economic data and belief in myths about how the figures are compiled is consistent with our survey’s finding that only 20 per cent of independence supporters are aware that total public spending in Scotland is more than the amount raised in taxes.


    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/independence-case-is-built-on-myths-denial-and-conspiracy-theories

    Spending FOR Scotland is not the same as spending IN Scotland.
    Quite true.

    A fair chunk of spending IN Scotland is FOR rUK.

    For example:

    There are more civil servants in Scotland and Wales working for Whitehall departments than for the Scottish and Welsh governments.



    https://www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/explainers/location-of-civil-service
    And those jobs would need to be done if Scotland was independent.

    Or they will be lost and the Red Wall will celebrate even more jobs...
    Before SIndyref1 the UK government drew up a list of UK agencies serving all the UK - that Scotland would need to replicate on independence, assuming they wanted to maintain the same services. There were over 200, compared to the 50 currently in Scotland.
    So being an independent country requires having agencies?

    So what? Just do it. Independent countries have agencies, it's not a deal breaker.
    No one is arguing that they shouldn't have them. They are arguing that they wouldn't come for free.
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 6,723
    ydoethur said:

    rcs1000 said:

    algarkirk said:

    Leon said:

    Quincel said:

    Leon said:

    Man arrested in the streets of London.... simply for preaching Christianity

    Meanwhile, professional football matches stop for the breaking of the Ramadan fast: because, "respect"


    https://twitter.com/one_jason/status/1388760623081721856?s=20

    The video doesn't show what he was saying before the police arrest him following what they can be heard to describe as 'Complaints from members of the public that [you] have caused them harm and distress by making [homophobic statements]'. Since we don't hear what he said, I really don't see how we can conclude if their behaviour is justified.
    There's a longer video (I'll try and link) where you can hear him preaching that marriage is for "a man and a woman only"

    This is basic Christian doctrine, I believe? Besides, this is a matter of opinion, and he is entitled to his opinion and entitled to speak it. He does not stir up hatred or violence

    Absolutely. It may seem strange to modern and younger ears but marriage is for life and only between one man and one woman is the basic doctrine of Anglicans, Roman Catholics, the Orthodox churches, Methodists, Baptists and lots of others. Most of these people are tolerant, ordinary members of the public. Many of them are MPs.



    As Mitt Romney said:

    "I believe marriage is a sacred institution between a man and a woman... and a woman... and a woman"
    Why did the Mormon marry a parrot?

    Because it was the only way he could commit Polly-gamy.
    Scraping the barrell there....
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277
    edited May 2021

    Leon said:

    ydoethur said:

    Sandpit said:

    How has the weather been for most people today? Her in Buchan its been mostly overcast with sunny spells - but dry and warm enough for short sleeves.

    High winds and sandstorms here, low visibility but 35°C.
    Wet, windy and cold pretty well all over Wales and the Midlands AFAICS.
    SHITE in north London. Unredeemed SHITE
    The weather is diabolical in Hampshire. Driving rain and what sounds like gale-force winds too.

    This could be kristallnacht for my vegetable patch.
    This is, I think, the autumn-winter-spring that finally tips me into buying a bolthole abroad. Portugal or Greece. Enough, now

    So much grey, so much cold, so much rubbish
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    RobD said:

    eek said:

    sarissa said:

    The survey also found that most independence supporters agreed with other verifiably false statements relating to official Scottish Government figures. These are myths widely shared on social media which, to be blunt, imply that the Scottish Government’s economists are idiots.

    - 54 per cent of independence supporters agree that 'Scottish tax revenues are understated because of Scottish exports leaving via English ports'

    - 66 per cent agree that 'Scottish tax revenues are understated because taxes generated by the whisky industry are not properly allocated to Scotland'

    - 55 per cent agree that 'Scotland is only seen to be running a deficit because some costs outside of Scotland, like HS2 and infrastructure spending in the South East, are charged to Scotland'

    This denial of the Scottish Government’s economic data and belief in myths about how the figures are compiled is consistent with our survey’s finding that only 20 per cent of independence supporters are aware that total public spending in Scotland is more than the amount raised in taxes.


    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/independence-case-is-built-on-myths-denial-and-conspiracy-theories

    Spending FOR Scotland is not the same as spending IN Scotland.
    Quite true.

    A fair chunk of spending IN Scotland is FOR rUK.

    For example:

    There are more civil servants in Scotland and Wales working for Whitehall departments than for the Scottish and Welsh governments.



    https://www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/explainers/location-of-civil-service
    And those jobs would need to be done if Scotland was independent.

    Or they will be lost and the Red Wall will celebrate even more jobs...
    Before SIndyref1 the UK government drew up a list of UK agencies serving all the UK - that Scotland would need to replicate on independence, assuming they wanted to maintain the same services. There were over 200, compared to the 50 currently in Scotland.
    So being an independent country requires having agencies?

    So what? Just do it. Independent countries have agencies, it's not a deal breaker.
    No one is arguing that they shouldn't have them. They are arguing that they wouldn't come for free.
    It's a silly thing to argue over.

    Denmark, Finland, Norway and Ireland all have about the same population as Scotland. Do any of them have trouble paying for or staffing their required agencies?
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,485
    Leon said:

    ydoethur said:

    Sandpit said:

    How has the weather been for most people today? Her in Buchan its been mostly overcast with sunny spells - but dry and warm enough for short sleeves.

    High winds and sandstorms here, low visibility but 35°C.
    Wet, windy and cold pretty well all over Wales and the Midlands AFAICS.
    SHITE in north London. Unredeemed SHITE
    Desperately needed rain. Wish it were warmer but any sort of rain will do TBH.

    Let it rain all night.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 4,931
    ydoethur said:

    How has the weather been for most people today? Her in Buchan its been mostly overcast with sunny spells - but dry and warm enough for short sleeves.

    Rain, sleet and gales on the Ayrshire Coast. Snow on the hill behind us.
    I got caught in a hailstorm while cycling just outside Stafford on Saturday.

    No sign of any snow though.
    Thinking of inviting HYUFD, Philip Thompson and some Leons up to provide some hot air.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,926

    RobD said:

    eek said:

    sarissa said:

    The survey also found that most independence supporters agreed with other verifiably false statements relating to official Scottish Government figures. These are myths widely shared on social media which, to be blunt, imply that the Scottish Government’s economists are idiots.

    - 54 per cent of independence supporters agree that 'Scottish tax revenues are understated because of Scottish exports leaving via English ports'

    - 66 per cent agree that 'Scottish tax revenues are understated because taxes generated by the whisky industry are not properly allocated to Scotland'

    - 55 per cent agree that 'Scotland is only seen to be running a deficit because some costs outside of Scotland, like HS2 and infrastructure spending in the South East, are charged to Scotland'

    This denial of the Scottish Government’s economic data and belief in myths about how the figures are compiled is consistent with our survey’s finding that only 20 per cent of independence supporters are aware that total public spending in Scotland is more than the amount raised in taxes.


    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/independence-case-is-built-on-myths-denial-and-conspiracy-theories

    Spending FOR Scotland is not the same as spending IN Scotland.
    Quite true.

    A fair chunk of spending IN Scotland is FOR rUK.

    For example:

    There are more civil servants in Scotland and Wales working for Whitehall departments than for the Scottish and Welsh governments.



    https://www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/explainers/location-of-civil-service
    And those jobs would need to be done if Scotland was independent.

    Or they will be lost and the Red Wall will celebrate even more jobs...
    Before SIndyref1 the UK government drew up a list of UK agencies serving all the UK - that Scotland would need to replicate on independence, assuming they wanted to maintain the same services. There were over 200, compared to the 50 currently in Scotland.
    So being an independent country requires having agencies?

    So what? Just do it. Independent countries have agencies, it's not a deal breaker.
    No one is arguing that they shouldn't have them. They are arguing that they wouldn't come for free.
    It's a silly thing to argue over.

    Denmark, Finland, Norway and Ireland all have about the same population as Scotland. Do any of them have trouble paying for or staffing their required agencies?
    No, but it would be false to claim that there would be no additional cost involved, don't you think?
  • contrariancontrarian Posts: 5,818
    MrEd said:

    stodge said:



    The GOP have been circling the drain for decades.

    I think one of the real political events of interest in 2022 will be the GOP primaries for the midterms where we'll see the battle for the soul of the Republican Party played out between the pro-Trump and anti-Trump factions and will we see the first indications of a schism?

    Will defeated pro-Trump primary candidates run as third party or Patriot Party candidates for example?
    Worth taking a look at the results of the TX-6 special election. This was a seat Trump won by 3pc in 2020, is in the Dallas / Fort Worth area and the sort of Texas seat Democrats need to win to make advances in the state. Two Republican candidates went through to the final round and the Democrats only garnered 36pc of the vote.

    Smaller scale but in a Texas school district where it was a conservative PAC vs progressive Critical Race Theorists, the latter got absolutely slaughtered, with the former taking all seats.

    Funnily enough, Biden’s supposed stellar polling ratings or the “popularity” of the progressive agenda doesn’t seem to be translating into votes in the suburbs
    More manna from heaven for the Trump tendency comes in the form of the new US census. The census apparently shows 5 million more votes were counted in 2020 than people recorded as voting.

    Its going to run and run with repub voters, this.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,374

    ydoethur said:

    How has the weather been for most people today? Her in Buchan its been mostly overcast with sunny spells - but dry and warm enough for short sleeves.

    Rain, sleet and gales on the Ayrshire Coast. Snow on the hill behind us.
    I got caught in a hailstorm while cycling just outside Stafford on Saturday.

    No sign of any snow though.
    Thinking of inviting HYUFD, Philip Thompson and some Leons up to provide some hot air.
    I’d keep Hyufd away from Scotland if I were you. You don’t want him thinking the road outside your place is ideal for his tanks.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670

    Alistair said:

    Oh and the English tourist board IIRC.

    "Visit Britain"

    So that's 2 out of 205.....only another 153 to go......

    https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/208120/Public_organisations_list_Scotland_web_version.pdf
    Open the doc and what do I see on the first page? Forestry Comission. That's devolved, there's a Scottish Forestry Comission. Can't really be arsed to go through the rest of the list to spot what devolved institutions have been listed in the doc.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,419

    RobD said:

    eek said:

    sarissa said:

    The survey also found that most independence supporters agreed with other verifiably false statements relating to official Scottish Government figures. These are myths widely shared on social media which, to be blunt, imply that the Scottish Government’s economists are idiots.

    - 54 per cent of independence supporters agree that 'Scottish tax revenues are understated because of Scottish exports leaving via English ports'

    - 66 per cent agree that 'Scottish tax revenues are understated because taxes generated by the whisky industry are not properly allocated to Scotland'

    - 55 per cent agree that 'Scotland is only seen to be running a deficit because some costs outside of Scotland, like HS2 and infrastructure spending in the South East, are charged to Scotland'

    This denial of the Scottish Government’s economic data and belief in myths about how the figures are compiled is consistent with our survey’s finding that only 20 per cent of independence supporters are aware that total public spending in Scotland is more than the amount raised in taxes.


    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/independence-case-is-built-on-myths-denial-and-conspiracy-theories

    Spending FOR Scotland is not the same as spending IN Scotland.
    Quite true.

    A fair chunk of spending IN Scotland is FOR rUK.

    For example:

    There are more civil servants in Scotland and Wales working for Whitehall departments than for the Scottish and Welsh governments.



    https://www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/explainers/location-of-civil-service
    And those jobs would need to be done if Scotland was independent.

    Or they will be lost and the Red Wall will celebrate even more jobs...
    Before SIndyref1 the UK government drew up a list of UK agencies serving all the UK - that Scotland would need to replicate on independence, assuming they wanted to maintain the same services. There were over 200, compared to the 50 currently in Scotland.
    So being an independent country requires having agencies?

    So what? Just do it. Independent countries have agencies, it's not a deal breaker.
    No one is arguing that they shouldn't have them. They are arguing that they wouldn't come for free.
    It's a silly thing to argue over.

    Denmark, Finland, Norway and Ireland all have about the same population as Scotland. Do any of them have trouble paying for or staffing their required agencies?
    A lot of the arguments for and against Indy are financial and economical. Why is it silly to make clear something that would add to the financial burden?

    Yes, all those countries assimilate the cost of all the requisite agencies - if they were in a union, they would share those costs with the other members and benefit from efficiencies. As they aren't, they don't.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,561
    If Boris was TRULY that lucky, the one person who died in today's numbers would have died the day before. Announcing ZERO deaths before the local elections would be worth a thousand Starmer stunts.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,368

    If Boris was TRULY that lucky, the one person who died in today's numbers would have died the day before. Announcing ZERO deaths before the local elections would be worth a thousand Starmer stunts.

    What a bizarre post in the light of 150,000 Covid fatalities to date.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,631
    edited May 2021
    Exclusive: Tory staff furious over flat refurbishment after being told no cash for pay rises

    Officials at CCHQ and regional offices have not had a pay rise since Boris Johnson swept to victory in 2019

    Conservative Party HQ staff are in uproar over the costly revamp of Boris Johnson's Downing Street flat after officials were told there was no money for pay rises.

    Party officials were "furious" to discover that almost £60,000 from Conservative Campaign Headquarters (CCHQ) funds was channelled to pay an invoice for the flat refurbishment while at the same time staff were informed their pay was being frozen.

    Officials at CCHQ and at regional offices have not had a pay rise since Boris Johnson swept to victory in 2019. The Telegraph understands that in February, Aimee Henderson, the Conservative Party's finance director, told employees the party was in no position to "splash the cash".

    Ms Henderson said a pay rise even linked to inflation inflation would not be possible this year.

    It has now emerged that at about the same time, the Conservative Party picked up part of the tab for the flat in Downing Street occupied by Mr Johnson and his fiancee, Carrie Symonds. It is alleged that the party paid £58,000 towards the revamp....

    ...One Tory staff member said: "People in HQ and in the field were furious that, after we'd all worked so hard on the general election, we couldn't even have a pay rise in line with inflation. The finance director said it was no time to 'splash the cash', which went down very badly."

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2021/05/03/exclusive-tory-staff-furious-flat-refurbishment-told-no-cash/?utm_content=telegraph&utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1620072829
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,561

    If Boris was TRULY that lucky, the one person who died in today's numbers would have died the day before. Announcing ZERO deaths before the local elections would be worth a thousand Starmer stunts.

    What a bizarre post in the light of 150,000 Covid fatalities to date.
    128,000. It's not as if 22,000 don't matter to you, do they?
  • londonpubmanlondonpubman Posts: 3,639
    edited May 2021

    Exclusive: Tory staff furious over flat refurbishment after being told no cash for pay rises

    Officials at CCHQ and regional offices have not had a pay rise since Boris Johnson swept to victory in 2019

    Conservative Party HQ staff are in uproar over the costly revamp of Boris Johnson's Downing Street flat after officials were told there was no money for pay rises.

    Party officials were "furious" to discover that almost £60,000 from Conservative Campaign Headquarters (CCHQ) funds was channelled to pay an invoice for the flat refurbishment while at the same time staff were informed their pay was being frozen.

    Officials at CCHQ and at regional offices have not had a pay rise since Boris Johnson swept to victory in 2019. The Telegraph understands that in February, Aimee Henderson, the Conservative Party's finance director, told employees the party was in no position to "splash the cash".

    Ms Henderson said a pay rise even linked to inflation inflation would not be possible this year.

    It has now emerged that at about the same time, the Conservative Party picked up part of the tab for the flat in Downing Street occupied by Mr Johnson and his fiancee, Carrie Symonds. It is alleged that the party paid £58,000 towards the revamp....

    ...One Tory staff member said: "People in HQ and in the field were furious that, after we'd all worked so hard on the general election, we couldn't even have a pay rise in line with inflation. The finance director said it was no time to 'splash the cash', which went down very badly."

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2021/05/03/exclusive-tory-staff-furious-flat-refurbishment-told-no-cash/?utm_content=telegraph&utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1620072829

    The old, old story for employees. Always money available for office improvements, but never for pay rises.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,249
    ping said:

    ping said:

    This might be the greatest pun in human history.


    Probably too well known, but my favourite was the shop that sold cheap camping gear and was called:

    Now is the Winter of our Discount Tent
    There is a dog groomer in Brierley Hill called "Doggy Style".

    My favourite however is an estate agent in Kidderminster, and no word of a lie, the names are genuine. "Doolittle and Dalley".
    Our dog groomer is Bone Idol, which is pretty good.
    You have a dog groomer?!!

    I thought they were fictional things from the movies.

    People actually pay money for someone to groom their dog?

    Bonkers
    Don't knock it. This is our way out of the post-Covid economic malaise. A hundred dog groomers in every high street.

    P.S. I am not expecting to be corrected as to the mechanics of supply and demand economics.
    Don’t get me wrong.

    Economically it’s great that rich people spend their money on labour-intensive local services.

    I fully support that kind of capitalist redistribution of wealth.

    It just strikes me as a bonkers thing to spend your money on. I don’t think I’d be a very good rich person lol.
    There was considerable surprise, here, when I mentioned that there are people making a living demonstrating/teaching the setup of Herman Miller Aeron chairs (and the associated desks).
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,631

    If Boris was TRULY that lucky, the one person who died in today's numbers would have died the day before. Announcing ZERO deaths before the local elections would be worth a thousand Starmer stunts.

    What a bizarre post in the light of 150,000 Covid fatalities to date.
    128,000. It's not as if 22,000 don't matter to you, do they?
    On the government's own dashboard they show the 150,000 figure.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 13,874

    MrEd said:

    stodge said:



    The GOP have been circling the drain for decades.

    I think one of the real political events of interest in 2022 will be the GOP primaries for the midterms where we'll see the battle for the soul of the Republican Party played out between the pro-Trump and anti-Trump factions and will we see the first indications of a schism?

    Will defeated pro-Trump primary candidates run as third party or Patriot Party candidates for example?
    Worth taking a look at the results of the TX-6 special election. This was a seat Trump won by 3pc in 2020, is in the Dallas / Fort Worth area and the sort of Texas seat Democrats need to win to make advances in the state. Two Republican candidates went through to the final round and the Democrats only garnered 36pc of the vote.

    Smaller scale but in a Texas school district where it was a conservative PAC vs progressive Critical Race Theorists, the latter got absolutely slaughtered, with the former taking all seats.

    Funnily enough, Biden’s supposed stellar polling ratings or the “popularity” of the progressive agenda doesn’t seem to be translating into votes in the suburbs
    More manna from heaven for the Trump tendency comes in the form of the new US census. The census apparently shows 5 million more votes were counted in 2020 than people recorded as voting.

    Its going to run and run with repub voters, this.
    So Trump actually lost by 12 million votes rather than 7 million?
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,153

    Tomorrow is the 21st anniversary of the last time the LibDems won a Westminster seat from the Conservatives (Romsey).

    Eh?

    Richmond Park
    and that one in Wales
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,401

    Exclusive: Tory staff furious over flat refurbishment after being told no cash for pay rises

    Officials at CCHQ and regional offices have not had a pay rise since Boris Johnson swept to victory in 2019

    Conservative Party HQ staff are in uproar over the costly revamp of Boris Johnson's Downing Street flat after officials were told there was no money for pay rises.

    Party officials were "furious" to discover that almost £60,000 from Conservative Campaign Headquarters (CCHQ) funds was channelled to pay an invoice for the flat refurbishment while at the same time staff were informed their pay was being frozen.

    Officials at CCHQ and at regional offices have not had a pay rise since Boris Johnson swept to victory in 2019. The Telegraph understands that in February, Aimee Henderson, the Conservative Party's finance director, told employees the party was in no position to "splash the cash".

    Ms Henderson said a pay rise even linked to inflation inflation would not be possible this year.

    It has now emerged that at about the same time, the Conservative Party picked up part of the tab for the flat in Downing Street occupied by Mr Johnson and his fiancee, Carrie Symonds. It is alleged that the party paid £58,000 towards the revamp....

    ...One Tory staff member said: "People in HQ and in the field were furious that, after we'd all worked so hard on the general election, we couldn't even have a pay rise in line with inflation. The finance director said it was no time to 'splash the cash', which went down very badly."

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2021/05/03/exclusive-tory-staff-furious-flat-refurbishment-told-no-cash/?utm_content=telegraph&utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1620072829

    They've an early opportunity to vote Labour then.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,153

    MrEd said:

    stodge said:



    The GOP have been circling the drain for decades.

    I think one of the real political events of interest in 2022 will be the GOP primaries for the midterms where we'll see the battle for the soul of the Republican Party played out between the pro-Trump and anti-Trump factions and will we see the first indications of a schism?

    Will defeated pro-Trump primary candidates run as third party or Patriot Party candidates for example?
    Worth taking a look at the results of the TX-6 special election. This was a seat Trump won by 3pc in 2020, is in the Dallas / Fort Worth area and the sort of Texas seat Democrats need to win to make advances in the state. Two Republican candidates went through to the final round and the Democrats only garnered 36pc of the vote.

    Smaller scale but in a Texas school district where it was a conservative PAC vs progressive Critical Race Theorists, the latter got absolutely slaughtered, with the former taking all seats.

    Funnily enough, Biden’s supposed stellar polling ratings or the “popularity” of the progressive agenda doesn’t seem to be translating into votes in the suburbs
    More manna from heaven for the Trump tendency comes in the form of the new US census. The census apparently shows 5 million more votes were counted in 2020 than people recorded as voting.

    Its going to run and run with repub voters, this.
    How would a census show that?

    How about you share a link demonstrating that "5 million more votes were counted in 2020 than people recorded as voting."
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 17,215

    Exclusive: Tory staff furious over flat refurbishment after being told no cash for pay rises

    Officials at CCHQ and regional offices have not had a pay rise since Boris Johnson swept to victory in 2019

    Conservative Party HQ staff are in uproar over the costly revamp of Boris Johnson's Downing Street flat after officials were told there was no money for pay rises.

    Party officials were "furious" to discover that almost £60,000 from Conservative Campaign Headquarters (CCHQ) funds was channelled to pay an invoice for the flat refurbishment while at the same time staff were informed their pay was being frozen.

    Officials at CCHQ and at regional offices have not had a pay rise since Boris Johnson swept to victory in 2019. The Telegraph understands that in February, Aimee Henderson, the Conservative Party's finance director, told employees the party was in no position to "splash the cash".

    Ms Henderson said a pay rise even linked to inflation inflation would not be possible this year.

    It has now emerged that at about the same time, the Conservative Party picked up part of the tab for the flat in Downing Street occupied by Mr Johnson and his fiancee, Carrie Symonds. It is alleged that the party paid £58,000 towards the revamp....

    ...One Tory staff member said: "People in HQ and in the field were furious that, after we'd all worked so hard on the general election, we couldn't even have a pay rise in line with inflation. The finance director said it was no time to 'splash the cash', which went down very badly."

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2021/05/03/exclusive-tory-staff-furious-flat-refurbishment-told-no-cash/?utm_content=telegraph&utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1620072829

    The old, old story for employees. Always money available for office improvements, but never for pay rises.
    Not even office improvements; it's the boss's flat.

    More interestingly, this is the Daily Borisgraph running with the story. It may be cutting through.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    eek said:

    sarissa said:

    The survey also found that most independence supporters agreed with other verifiably false statements relating to official Scottish Government figures. These are myths widely shared on social media which, to be blunt, imply that the Scottish Government’s economists are idiots.

    - 54 per cent of independence supporters agree that 'Scottish tax revenues are understated because of Scottish exports leaving via English ports'

    - 66 per cent agree that 'Scottish tax revenues are understated because taxes generated by the whisky industry are not properly allocated to Scotland'

    - 55 per cent agree that 'Scotland is only seen to be running a deficit because some costs outside of Scotland, like HS2 and infrastructure spending in the South East, are charged to Scotland'

    This denial of the Scottish Government’s economic data and belief in myths about how the figures are compiled is consistent with our survey’s finding that only 20 per cent of independence supporters are aware that total public spending in Scotland is more than the amount raised in taxes.


    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/independence-case-is-built-on-myths-denial-and-conspiracy-theories

    Spending FOR Scotland is not the same as spending IN Scotland.
    Quite true.

    A fair chunk of spending IN Scotland is FOR rUK.

    For example:

    There are more civil servants in Scotland and Wales working for Whitehall departments than for the Scottish and Welsh governments.



    https://www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/explainers/location-of-civil-service
    And those jobs would need to be done if Scotland was independent.

    Or they will be lost and the Red Wall will celebrate even more jobs...
    Before SIndyref1 the UK government drew up a list of UK agencies serving all the UK - that Scotland would need to replicate on independence, assuming they wanted to maintain the same services. There were over 200, compared to the 50 currently in Scotland.
    So being an independent country requires having agencies?

    So what? Just do it. Independent countries have agencies, it's not a deal breaker.
    No one is arguing that they shouldn't have them. They are arguing that they wouldn't come for free.
    It's a silly thing to argue over.

    Denmark, Finland, Norway and Ireland all have about the same population as Scotland. Do any of them have trouble paying for or staffing their required agencies?
    No, but it would be false to claim that there would be no additional cost involved, don't you think?
    No, because it is swings and roundabouts.

    Some agencies would need to be created or expanded, but others that serve the whole of the UK are currently bigger than they'd need to be. They could be shrank, some people could be redeployed etc.

    It's not a one way street.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,374

    Exclusive: Tory staff furious over flat refurbishment after being told no cash for pay rises

    Officials at CCHQ and regional offices have not had a pay rise since Boris Johnson swept to victory in 2019

    Conservative Party HQ staff are in uproar over the costly revamp of Boris Johnson's Downing Street flat after officials were told there was no money for pay rises.

    Party officials were "furious" to discover that almost £60,000 from Conservative Campaign Headquarters (CCHQ) funds was channelled to pay an invoice for the flat refurbishment while at the same time staff were informed their pay was being frozen.

    Officials at CCHQ and at regional offices have not had a pay rise since Boris Johnson swept to victory in 2019. The Telegraph understands that in February, Aimee Henderson, the Conservative Party's finance director, told employees the party was in no position to "splash the cash".

    Ms Henderson said a pay rise even linked to inflation inflation would not be possible this year.

    It has now emerged that at about the same time, the Conservative Party picked up part of the tab for the flat in Downing Street occupied by Mr Johnson and his fiancee, Carrie Symonds. It is alleged that the party paid £58,000 towards the revamp....

    ...One Tory staff member said: "People in HQ and in the field were furious that, after we'd all worked so hard on the general election, we couldn't even have a pay rise in line with inflation. The finance director said it was no time to 'splash the cash', which went down very badly."

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2021/05/03/exclusive-tory-staff-furious-flat-refurbishment-told-no-cash/?utm_content=telegraph&utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1620072829

    Now they know how everyone else working for the government feels.

    What’s amusing is we can quote their own crocodile tears about the (genuine) cuts and pay freezes in the private sector back to them.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 13,874
    Looking at tonight's BMG poll in Scotland, I'm struck not by how much Scottish politics has changed since 2016 but how little.

    The constituency numbers very similar to last time.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,374
    rcs1000 said:

    MrEd said:

    stodge said:



    The GOP have been circling the drain for decades.

    I think one of the real political events of interest in 2022 will be the GOP primaries for the midterms where we'll see the battle for the soul of the Republican Party played out between the pro-Trump and anti-Trump factions and will we see the first indications of a schism?

    Will defeated pro-Trump primary candidates run as third party or Patriot Party candidates for example?
    Worth taking a look at the results of the TX-6 special election. This was a seat Trump won by 3pc in 2020, is in the Dallas / Fort Worth area and the sort of Texas seat Democrats need to win to make advances in the state. Two Republican candidates went through to the final round and the Democrats only garnered 36pc of the vote.

    Smaller scale but in a Texas school district where it was a conservative PAC vs progressive Critical Race Theorists, the latter got absolutely slaughtered, with the former taking all seats.

    Funnily enough, Biden’s supposed stellar polling ratings or the “popularity” of the progressive agenda doesn’t seem to be translating into votes in the suburbs
    More manna from heaven for the Trump tendency comes in the form of the new US census. The census apparently shows 5 million more votes were counted in 2020 than people recorded as voting.

    Its going to run and run with repub voters, this.
    How would a census show that?

    How about you share a link demonstrating that "5 million more votes were counted in 2020 than people recorded as voting."
    I thought of asking him for that, but decided it would be as pointless as asking Gavin Williamson to show some integrity or Amanda Spielman to explain a point of education policy.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,374
    And with Shaun Murphy starting his comeback, I’m off to bed.

    Good night.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,368

    If Boris was TRULY that lucky, the one person who died in today's numbers would have died the day before. Announcing ZERO deaths before the local elections would be worth a thousand Starmer stunts.

    What a bizarre post in the light of 150,000 Covid fatalities to date.
    128,000. It's not as if 22,000 don't matter to you, do they?
    Fake news, please retract with an apology.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 10,759
    ydoethur said:

    Exclusive: Tory staff furious over flat refurbishment after being told no cash for pay rises

    Officials at CCHQ and regional offices have not had a pay rise since Boris Johnson swept to victory in 2019

    Conservative Party HQ staff are in uproar over the costly revamp of Boris Johnson's Downing Street flat after officials were told there was no money for pay rises.

    Party officials were "furious" to discover that almost £60,000 from Conservative Campaign Headquarters (CCHQ) funds was channelled to pay an invoice for the flat refurbishment while at the same time staff were informed their pay was being frozen.

    Officials at CCHQ and at regional offices have not had a pay rise since Boris Johnson swept to victory in 2019. The Telegraph understands that in February, Aimee Henderson, the Conservative Party's finance director, told employees the party was in no position to "splash the cash".

    Ms Henderson said a pay rise even linked to inflation inflation would not be possible this year.

    It has now emerged that at about the same time, the Conservative Party picked up part of the tab for the flat in Downing Street occupied by Mr Johnson and his fiancee, Carrie Symonds. It is alleged that the party paid £58,000 towards the revamp....

    ...One Tory staff member said: "People in HQ and in the field were furious that, after we'd all worked so hard on the general election, we couldn't even have a pay rise in line with inflation. The finance director said it was no time to 'splash the cash', which went down very badly."

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2021/05/03/exclusive-tory-staff-furious-flat-refurbishment-told-no-cash/?utm_content=telegraph&utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1620072829

    Now they know how everyone else working for the government feels.

    What’s amusing is we can quote their own crocodile tears about the (genuine) cuts and pay freezes in the private sector back to them.
    Seems like an almost invented story to me. An unattributed quote talking about how others felt?
  • pingping Posts: 3,805
    edited May 2021
    Selby is value, IMO @1.09

    Should be 1/16 by my calculation
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    If Boris was TRULY that lucky, the one person who died in today's numbers would have died the day before. Announcing ZERO deaths before the local elections would be worth a thousand Starmer stunts.

    What a bizarre post in the light of 150,000 Covid fatalities to date.
    128,000. It's not as if 22,000 don't matter to you, do they?
    On the government's own dashboard they show the 150,000 figure.
    Which is tens of thousands more than the excess deaths.

    Because they're counting deaths with Covid rather than deaths from.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,638
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    ydoethur said:

    Sandpit said:

    How has the weather been for most people today? Her in Buchan its been mostly overcast with sunny spells - but dry and warm enough for short sleeves.

    High winds and sandstorms here, low visibility but 35°C.
    Wet, windy and cold pretty well all over Wales and the Midlands AFAICS.
    SHITE in north London. Unredeemed SHITE
    The weather is diabolical in Hampshire. Driving rain and what sounds like gale-force winds too.

    This could be kristallnacht for my vegetable patch.
    This is, I think, the autumn-winter-spring that finally tips me into buying a bolthole abroad. Portugal or Greece. Enough, now

    So much grey, so much cold, so much rubbish
    Spend two weeks for two years in a property that you own in Portugal, worth €350 000 and you get a Golden Visa, and can escape the folly that the Brexiteers have inflicted on the rest of us. Apparently the language test for citizenship isn't too bad either.
  • TimTTimT Posts: 6,468
    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    eek said:

    sarissa said:

    The survey also found that most independence supporters agreed with other verifiably false statements relating to official Scottish Government figures. These are myths widely shared on social media which, to be blunt, imply that the Scottish Government’s economists are idiots.

    - 54 per cent of independence supporters agree that 'Scottish tax revenues are understated because of Scottish exports leaving via English ports'

    - 66 per cent agree that 'Scottish tax revenues are understated because taxes generated by the whisky industry are not properly allocated to Scotland'

    - 55 per cent agree that 'Scotland is only seen to be running a deficit because some costs outside of Scotland, like HS2 and infrastructure spending in the South East, are charged to Scotland'

    This denial of the Scottish Government’s economic data and belief in myths about how the figures are compiled is consistent with our survey’s finding that only 20 per cent of independence supporters are aware that total public spending in Scotland is more than the amount raised in taxes.


    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/independence-case-is-built-on-myths-denial-and-conspiracy-theories

    Spending FOR Scotland is not the same as spending IN Scotland.
    Quite true.

    A fair chunk of spending IN Scotland is FOR rUK.

    For example:

    There are more civil servants in Scotland and Wales working for Whitehall departments than for the Scottish and Welsh governments.



    https://www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/explainers/location-of-civil-service
    And those jobs would need to be done if Scotland was independent.

    Or they will be lost and the Red Wall will celebrate even more jobs...
    Before SIndyref1 the UK government drew up a list of UK agencies serving all the UK - that Scotland would need to replicate on independence, assuming they wanted to maintain the same services. There were over 200, compared to the 50 currently in Scotland.
    So being an independent country requires having agencies?

    So what? Just do it. Independent countries have agencies, it's not a deal breaker.
    No one is arguing that they shouldn't have them. They are arguing that they wouldn't come for free.
    It's a silly thing to argue over.

    Denmark, Finland, Norway and Ireland all have about the same population as Scotland. Do any of them have trouble paying for or staffing their required agencies?
    No, but it would be false to claim that there would be no additional cost involved, don't you think?
    Not even that necessarily. Smaller organizations can be more efficient as they can have fewer layers and can reduce time spent on coordination and communication massively.
  • MrEdMrEd Posts: 5,578
    rcs1000 said:

    MrEd said:

    stodge said:



    The GOP have been circling the drain for decades.

    I think one of the real political events of interest in 2022 will be the GOP primaries for the midterms where we'll see the battle for the soul of the Republican Party played out between the pro-Trump and anti-Trump factions and will we see the first indications of a schism?

    Will defeated pro-Trump primary candidates run as third party or Patriot Party candidates for example?
    Worth taking a look at the results of the TX-6 special election. This was a seat Trump won by 3pc in 2020, is in the Dallas / Fort Worth area and the sort of Texas seat Democrats need to win to make advances in the state. Two Republican candidates went through to the final round and the Democrats only garnered 36pc of the vote.

    Smaller scale but in a Texas school district where it was a conservative PAC vs progressive Critical Race Theorists, the latter got absolutely slaughtered, with the former taking all seats.

    Funnily enough, Biden’s supposed stellar polling ratings or the “popularity” of the progressive agenda doesn’t seem to be translating into votes in the suburbs
    More manna from heaven for the Trump tendency comes in the form of the new US census. The census apparently shows 5 million more votes were counted in 2020 than people recorded as voting.

    Its going to run and run with repub voters, this.
    How would a census show that?

    How about you share a link demonstrating that "5 million more votes were counted in 2020 than people recorded as voting."
    Perhaps the bigger story here is that the redistribution of House seats following the Census is far less than when the original Census predictions came out last year. The official Census count is a lot more favourable to the Democrats which is getting the Republicans asking questions. And the Census Board is directing questions to the White House, which is not the standard pattern.

  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,134
    rcs1000 said:

    MrEd said:

    stodge said:



    The GOP have been circling the drain for decades.

    I think one of the real political events of interest in 2022 will be the GOP primaries for the midterms where we'll see the battle for the soul of the Republican Party played out between the pro-Trump and anti-Trump factions and will we see the first indications of a schism?

    Will defeated pro-Trump primary candidates run as third party or Patriot Party candidates for example?
    Worth taking a look at the results of the TX-6 special election. This was a seat Trump won by 3pc in 2020, is in the Dallas / Fort Worth area and the sort of Texas seat Democrats need to win to make advances in the state. Two Republican candidates went through to the final round and the Democrats only garnered 36pc of the vote.

    Smaller scale but in a Texas school district where it was a conservative PAC vs progressive Critical Race Theorists, the latter got absolutely slaughtered, with the former taking all seats.

    Funnily enough, Biden’s supposed stellar polling ratings or the “popularity” of the progressive agenda doesn’t seem to be translating into votes in the suburbs
    More manna from heaven for the Trump tendency comes in the form of the new US census. The census apparently shows 5 million more votes were counted in 2020 than people recorded as voting.

    Its going to run and run with repub voters, this.
    How would a census show that?

    How about you share a link demonstrating that "5 million more votes were counted in 2020 than people recorded as voting."
    The "apparently" means he read it on 4chan.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,561
    rcs1000 said:

    Tomorrow is the 21st anniversary of the last time the LibDems won a Westminster seat from the Conservatives (Romsey).

    Eh?

    Richmond Park
    and that one in Wales
    A discussed below, no official Conservative candidate in Richmond - and "that one in Wales" was intended to give Boris a bloody nose.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 17,215
    Omnium said:

    ydoethur said:

    Exclusive: Tory staff furious over flat refurbishment after being told no cash for pay rises

    Officials at CCHQ and regional offices have not had a pay rise since Boris Johnson swept to victory in 2019

    Conservative Party HQ staff are in uproar over the costly revamp of Boris Johnson's Downing Street flat after officials were told there was no money for pay rises.

    Party officials were "furious" to discover that almost £60,000 from Conservative Campaign Headquarters (CCHQ) funds was channelled to pay an invoice for the flat refurbishment while at the same time staff were informed their pay was being frozen.

    Officials at CCHQ and at regional offices have not had a pay rise since Boris Johnson swept to victory in 2019. The Telegraph understands that in February, Aimee Henderson, the Conservative Party's finance director, told employees the party was in no position to "splash the cash".

    Ms Henderson said a pay rise even linked to inflation inflation would not be possible this year.

    It has now emerged that at about the same time, the Conservative Party picked up part of the tab for the flat in Downing Street occupied by Mr Johnson and his fiancee, Carrie Symonds. It is alleged that the party paid £58,000 towards the revamp....

    ...One Tory staff member said: "People in HQ and in the field were furious that, after we'd all worked so hard on the general election, we couldn't even have a pay rise in line with inflation. The finance director said it was no time to 'splash the cash', which went down very badly."

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2021/05/03/exclusive-tory-staff-furious-flat-refurbishment-told-no-cash/?utm_content=telegraph&utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1620072829

    Now they know how everyone else working for the government feels.

    What’s amusing is we can quote their own crocodile tears about the (genuine) cuts and pay freezes in the private sector back to them.
    Seems like an almost invented story to me. An unattributed quote talking about how others felt?
    Doesn't matter really.

    What are The Telegraph, just about the only entity BoJo has been faithful to, doing running such a disagreeable story about their blue-eyed boy?
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,134
    ping said:

    Selby is value, IMO @1.09

    Should be 1/16 by my calculation

    I have 18/15 Selby correct score @ 12s which is starting to vibrate.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,829
    Foxy said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    ydoethur said:

    Sandpit said:

    How has the weather been for most people today? Her in Buchan its been mostly overcast with sunny spells - but dry and warm enough for short sleeves.

    High winds and sandstorms here, low visibility but 35°C.
    Wet, windy and cold pretty well all over Wales and the Midlands AFAICS.
    SHITE in north London. Unredeemed SHITE
    The weather is diabolical in Hampshire. Driving rain and what sounds like gale-force winds too.

    This could be kristallnacht for my vegetable patch.
    This is, I think, the autumn-winter-spring that finally tips me into buying a bolthole abroad. Portugal or Greece. Enough, now

    So much grey, so much cold, so much rubbish
    Spend two weeks for two years in a property that you own in Portugal, worth €350 000 and you get a Golden Visa, and can escape the folly that the Brexiteers have inflicted on the rest of us. Apparently the language test for citizenship isn't too bad either.
    One wonders why one bothered to be a Brexiter sometimes.
  • eekeek Posts: 28,368
    edited May 2021
    Foxy said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    ydoethur said:

    Sandpit said:

    How has the weather been for most people today? Her in Buchan its been mostly overcast with sunny spells - but dry and warm enough for short sleeves.

    High winds and sandstorms here, low visibility but 35°C.
    Wet, windy and cold pretty well all over Wales and the Midlands AFAICS.
    SHITE in north London. Unredeemed SHITE
    The weather is diabolical in Hampshire. Driving rain and what sounds like gale-force winds too.

    This could be kristallnacht for my vegetable patch.
    This is, I think, the autumn-winter-spring that finally tips me into buying a bolthole abroad. Portugal or Greece. Enough, now

    So much grey, so much cold, so much rubbish
    Spend two weeks for two years in a property that you own in Portugal, worth €350 000 and you get a Golden Visa, and can escape the folly that the Brexiteers have inflicted on the rest of us. Apparently the language test for citizenship isn't too bad either.
    Greece is €250,000 for a visa but the alphabet is something I can't cope with.

    However while a Golden visa does allow you to work in that country it won't allow you to work in other european countries.
  • MrEdMrEd Posts: 5,578

    MrEd said:

    stodge said:



    The GOP have been circling the drain for decades.

    I think one of the real political events of interest in 2022 will be the GOP primaries for the midterms where we'll see the battle for the soul of the Republican Party played out between the pro-Trump and anti-Trump factions and will we see the first indications of a schism?

    Will defeated pro-Trump primary candidates run as third party or Patriot Party candidates for example?
    Worth taking a look at the results of the TX-6 special election. This was a seat Trump won by 3pc in 2020, is in the Dallas / Fort Worth area and the sort of Texas seat Democrats need to win to make advances in the state. Two Republican candidates went through to the final round and the Democrats only garnered 36pc of the vote.

    Smaller scale but in a Texas school district where it was a conservative PAC vs progressive Critical Race Theorists, the latter got absolutely slaughtered, with the former taking all seats.

    Funnily enough, Biden’s supposed stellar polling ratings or the “popularity” of the progressive agenda doesn’t seem to be translating into votes in the suburbs
    More manna from heaven for the Trump tendency comes in the form of the new US census. The census apparently shows 5 million more votes were counted in 2020 than people recorded as voting.

    Its going to run and run with repub voters, this.
    Haven't seen that one. Oh dear. Let's be honest, if Trump had won and that snippet came out, this site would have exploded with outrage.

    @stodge BTW, I didn't comment on what you asked about whether the Trump faction would be in control. Short answer is yes - Susan Wright (who looks to be favourite to win TX-6) was Trump's backed candidate and came out after the vote quoting MAGA.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,631
    eek said:

    Foxy said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    ydoethur said:

    Sandpit said:

    How has the weather been for most people today? Her in Buchan its been mostly overcast with sunny spells - but dry and warm enough for short sleeves.

    High winds and sandstorms here, low visibility but 35°C.
    Wet, windy and cold pretty well all over Wales and the Midlands AFAICS.
    SHITE in north London. Unredeemed SHITE
    The weather is diabolical in Hampshire. Driving rain and what sounds like gale-force winds too.

    This could be kristallnacht for my vegetable patch.
    This is, I think, the autumn-winter-spring that finally tips me into buying a bolthole abroad. Portugal or Greece. Enough, now

    So much grey, so much cold, so much rubbish
    Spend two weeks for two years in a property that you own in Portugal, worth €350 000 and you get a Golden Visa, and can escape the folly that the Brexiteers have inflicted on the rest of us. Apparently the language test for citizenship isn't too bad either.
    Greece is €250,000 for a visa but the alphabet is something I can't cope with.
    Yes, the Greek alphabet is a Hellas experience.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,485
    MrEd said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MrEd said:

    stodge said:



    The GOP have been circling the drain for decades.

    I think one of the real political events of interest in 2022 will be the GOP primaries for the midterms where we'll see the battle for the soul of the Republican Party played out between the pro-Trump and anti-Trump factions and will we see the first indications of a schism?

    Will defeated pro-Trump primary candidates run as third party or Patriot Party candidates for example?
    Worth taking a look at the results of the TX-6 special election. This was a seat Trump won by 3pc in 2020, is in the Dallas / Fort Worth area and the sort of Texas seat Democrats need to win to make advances in the state. Two Republican candidates went through to the final round and the Democrats only garnered 36pc of the vote.

    Smaller scale but in a Texas school district where it was a conservative PAC vs progressive Critical Race Theorists, the latter got absolutely slaughtered, with the former taking all seats.

    Funnily enough, Biden’s supposed stellar polling ratings or the “popularity” of the progressive agenda doesn’t seem to be translating into votes in the suburbs
    More manna from heaven for the Trump tendency comes in the form of the new US census. The census apparently shows 5 million more votes were counted in 2020 than people recorded as voting.

    Its going to run and run with repub voters, this.
    How would a census show that?

    How about you share a link demonstrating that "5 million more votes were counted in 2020 than people recorded as voting."
    Perhaps the bigger story here is that the redistribution of House seats following the Census is far less than when the original Census predictions came out last year. The official Census count is a lot more favourable to the Democrats which is getting the Republicans asking questions. And the Census Board is directing questions to the White House, which is not the standard pattern.

    Here we go again... zzzzzzzz
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    MrEd said:

    stodge said:



    The GOP have been circling the drain for decades.

    I think one of the real political events of interest in 2022 will be the GOP primaries for the midterms where we'll see the battle for the soul of the Republican Party played out between the pro-Trump and anti-Trump factions and will we see the first indications of a schism?

    Will defeated pro-Trump primary candidates run as third party or Patriot Party candidates for example?
    Worth taking a look at the results of the TX-6 special election. This was a seat Trump won by 3pc in 2020, is in the Dallas / Fort Worth area and the sort of Texas seat Democrats need to win to make advances in the state. Two Republican candidates went through to the final round and the Democrats only garnered 36pc of the vote.

    Smaller scale but in a Texas school district where it was a conservative PAC vs progressive Critical Race Theorists, the latter got absolutely slaughtered, with the former taking all seats.

    Funnily enough, Biden’s supposed stellar polling ratings or the “popularity” of the progressive agenda doesn’t seem to be translating into votes in the suburbs
    Texas 6th CD is a bit more conservative that the ideal target for Dems in these parts, Trumpsky did win it by just 3% over Biden, but the late Mr Wright (husband of yesterday's top vote-getter) was 9% ahead of his Democratic challenger last fall.

    And part of the Dem's problem yesterday was low turnout. Which will be much less of a problem in 2020 midterms.

    That said, one other factoid from TX CD06 special election, was that the lone anti-Trump Republican hopeful, Michael Wood, got just 5% of the GOP vote and 3% of the total vote.
  • MrEdMrEd Posts: 5,578

    stodge said:



    The GOP have been circling the drain for decades.

    I think one of the real political events of interest in 2022 will be the GOP primaries for the midterms where we'll see the battle for the soul of the Republican Party played out between the pro-Trump and anti-Trump factions and will we see the first indications of a schism?

    Will defeated pro-Trump primary candidates run as third party or Patriot Party candidates for example?
    Battle? it won't be a battle. It will be a massacre.

    Recent Texas Special election, Trump endorsed candidate came top. Followed by another Repub. Dems trailing.

    NeverTrump candidate? hardly registered.

    Just saw this one @contrarian, you beat me to it :)
  • pingping Posts: 3,805

    Omnium said:

    ydoethur said:

    Exclusive: Tory staff furious over flat refurbishment after being told no cash for pay rises

    Officials at CCHQ and regional offices have not had a pay rise since Boris Johnson swept to victory in 2019

    Conservative Party HQ staff are in uproar over the costly revamp of Boris Johnson's Downing Street flat after officials were told there was no money for pay rises.

    Party officials were "furious" to discover that almost £60,000 from Conservative Campaign Headquarters (CCHQ) funds was channelled to pay an invoice for the flat refurbishment while at the same time staff were informed their pay was being frozen.

    Officials at CCHQ and at regional offices have not had a pay rise since Boris Johnson swept to victory in 2019. The Telegraph understands that in February, Aimee Henderson, the Conservative Party's finance director, told employees the party was in no position to "splash the cash".

    Ms Henderson said a pay rise even linked to inflation inflation would not be possible this year.

    It has now emerged that at about the same time, the Conservative Party picked up part of the tab for the flat in Downing Street occupied by Mr Johnson and his fiancee, Carrie Symonds. It is alleged that the party paid £58,000 towards the revamp....

    ...One Tory staff member said: "People in HQ and in the field were furious that, after we'd all worked so hard on the general election, we couldn't even have a pay rise in line with inflation. The finance director said it was no time to 'splash the cash', which went down very badly."

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2021/05/03/exclusive-tory-staff-furious-flat-refurbishment-told-no-cash/?utm_content=telegraph&utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1620072829

    Now they know how everyone else working for the government feels.

    What’s amusing is we can quote their own crocodile tears about the (genuine) cuts and pay freezes in the private sector back to them.
    Seems like an almost invented story to me. An unattributed quote talking about how others felt?
    Doesn't matter really.

    What are The Telegraph, just about the only entity BoJo has been faithful to, doing running such a disagreeable story about their blue-eyed boy?
    Their story about Boris splashing the cash in Scotland was designed to rile up the shire tories, too

    I think they’re done with him.

    The main dynamic is that Starmer clearly doesn’t frighten the horses in the way Corbyn did. They have less to lose by wielding the knife.
  • MrEdMrEd Posts: 5,578

    MrEd said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MrEd said:

    stodge said:



    The GOP have been circling the drain for decades.

    I think one of the real political events of interest in 2022 will be the GOP primaries for the midterms where we'll see the battle for the soul of the Republican Party played out between the pro-Trump and anti-Trump factions and will we see the first indications of a schism?

    Will defeated pro-Trump primary candidates run as third party or Patriot Party candidates for example?
    Worth taking a look at the results of the TX-6 special election. This was a seat Trump won by 3pc in 2020, is in the Dallas / Fort Worth area and the sort of Texas seat Democrats need to win to make advances in the state. Two Republican candidates went through to the final round and the Democrats only garnered 36pc of the vote.

    Smaller scale but in a Texas school district where it was a conservative PAC vs progressive Critical Race Theorists, the latter got absolutely slaughtered, with the former taking all seats.

    Funnily enough, Biden’s supposed stellar polling ratings or the “popularity” of the progressive agenda doesn’t seem to be translating into votes in the suburbs
    More manna from heaven for the Trump tendency comes in the form of the new US census. The census apparently shows 5 million more votes were counted in 2020 than people recorded as voting.

    Its going to run and run with repub voters, this.
    How would a census show that?

    How about you share a link demonstrating that "5 million more votes were counted in 2020 than people recorded as voting."
    Perhaps the bigger story here is that the redistribution of House seats following the Census is far less than when the original Census predictions came out last year. The official Census count is a lot more favourable to the Democrats which is getting the Republicans asking questions. And the Census Board is directing questions to the White House, which is not the standard pattern.

    Here we go again... zzzzzzzz
    Ah, bless. Look who has popped up again :)
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559

    MrEd said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MrEd said:

    stodge said:



    The GOP have been circling the drain for decades.

    I think one of the real political events of interest in 2022 will be the GOP primaries for the midterms where we'll see the battle for the soul of the Republican Party played out between the pro-Trump and anti-Trump factions and will we see the first indications of a schism?

    Will defeated pro-Trump primary candidates run as third party or Patriot Party candidates for example?
    Worth taking a look at the results of the TX-6 special election. This was a seat Trump won by 3pc in 2020, is in the Dallas / Fort Worth area and the sort of Texas seat Democrats need to win to make advances in the state. Two Republican candidates went through to the final round and the Democrats only garnered 36pc of the vote.

    Smaller scale but in a Texas school district where it was a conservative PAC vs progressive Critical Race Theorists, the latter got absolutely slaughtered, with the former taking all seats.

    Funnily enough, Biden’s supposed stellar polling ratings or the “popularity” of the progressive agenda doesn’t seem to be translating into votes in the suburbs
    More manna from heaven for the Trump tendency comes in the form of the new US census. The census apparently shows 5 million more votes were counted in 2020 than people recorded as voting.

    Its going to run and run with repub voters, this.
    How would a census show that?

    How about you share a link demonstrating that "5 million more votes were counted in 2020 than people recorded as voting."
    Perhaps the bigger story here is that the redistribution of House seats following the Census is far less than when the original Census predictions came out last year. The official Census count is a lot more favourable to the Democrats which is getting the Republicans asking questions. And the Census Board is directing questions to the White House, which is not the standard pattern.

    Here we go again... zzzzzzzz
    Ask question about a census that Trumpsky and his minions at the Census Bureau worked overtime to massage in THEIR favor? Not surprising, really, given his & their track record!
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,638
    eek said:

    Foxy said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    ydoethur said:

    Sandpit said:

    How has the weather been for most people today? Her in Buchan its been mostly overcast with sunny spells - but dry and warm enough for short sleeves.

    High winds and sandstorms here, low visibility but 35°C.
    Wet, windy and cold pretty well all over Wales and the Midlands AFAICS.
    SHITE in north London. Unredeemed SHITE
    The weather is diabolical in Hampshire. Driving rain and what sounds like gale-force winds too.

    This could be kristallnacht for my vegetable patch.
    This is, I think, the autumn-winter-spring that finally tips me into buying a bolthole abroad. Portugal or Greece. Enough, now

    So much grey, so much cold, so much rubbish
    Spend two weeks for two years in a property that you own in Portugal, worth €350 000 and you get a Golden Visa, and can escape the folly that the Brexiteers have inflicted on the rest of us. Apparently the language test for citizenship isn't too bad either.
    Greece is €250,000 for a visa but the alphabet is something I can't cope with.

    However while a Golden visa does allow you to work in that country it won't allow you to work in other european countries.
    How many weeks residence per year though to apply for citizenship in Greece?
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,860
    Leon said:

    ydoethur said:

    Sandpit said:

    How has the weather been for most people today? Her in Buchan its been mostly overcast with sunny spells - but dry and warm enough for short sleeves.

    High winds and sandstorms here, low visibility but 35°C.
    Wet, windy and cold pretty well all over Wales and the Midlands AFAICS.
    SHITE in north London. Unredeemed SHITE
    Don’t be so hard on yourself?
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559

    eek said:

    Foxy said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    ydoethur said:

    Sandpit said:

    How has the weather been for most people today? Her in Buchan its been mostly overcast with sunny spells - but dry and warm enough for short sleeves.

    High winds and sandstorms here, low visibility but 35°C.
    Wet, windy and cold pretty well all over Wales and the Midlands AFAICS.
    SHITE in north London. Unredeemed SHITE
    The weather is diabolical in Hampshire. Driving rain and what sounds like gale-force winds too.

    This could be kristallnacht for my vegetable patch.
    This is, I think, the autumn-winter-spring that finally tips me into buying a bolthole abroad. Portugal or Greece. Enough, now

    So much grey, so much cold, so much rubbish
    Spend two weeks for two years in a property that you own in Portugal, worth €350 000 and you get a Golden Visa, and can escape the folly that the Brexiteers have inflicted on the rest of us. Apparently the language test for citizenship isn't too bad either.
    Greece is €250,000 for a visa but the alphabet is something I can't cope with.
    Yes, the Greek alphabet is a Hellas experience.
    Learning it is a true odyssey, alright. Just ask any frat boy.
  • MrEdMrEd Posts: 5,578

    MrEd said:

    stodge said:



    The GOP have been circling the drain for decades.

    I think one of the real political events of interest in 2022 will be the GOP primaries for the midterms where we'll see the battle for the soul of the Republican Party played out between the pro-Trump and anti-Trump factions and will we see the first indications of a schism?

    Will defeated pro-Trump primary candidates run as third party or Patriot Party candidates for example?
    Worth taking a look at the results of the TX-6 special election. This was a seat Trump won by 3pc in 2020, is in the Dallas / Fort Worth area and the sort of Texas seat Democrats need to win to make advances in the state. Two Republican candidates went through to the final round and the Democrats only garnered 36pc of the vote.

    Smaller scale but in a Texas school district where it was a conservative PAC vs progressive Critical Race Theorists, the latter got absolutely slaughtered, with the former taking all seats.

    Funnily enough, Biden’s supposed stellar polling ratings or the “popularity” of the progressive agenda doesn’t seem to be translating into votes in the suburbs
    Texas 6th CD is a bit more conservative that the ideal target for Dems in these parts, Trumpsky did win it by just 3% over Biden, but the late Mr Wright (husband of yesterday's top vote-getter) was 9% ahead of his Democratic challenger last fall.

    And part of the Dem's problem yesterday was low turnout. Which will be much less of a problem in 2020 midterms.

    That said, one other factoid from TX CD06 special election, was that the lone anti-Trump Republican hopeful, Michael Wood, got just 5% of the GOP vote and 3% of the total vote.
    Yes, the Never Trumpers are dust, not least due to what happened over at the Lincoln Project and all the scandals there plus Liz Cheney's antics which are p1ssing off a lot of GOPers (many of whom voted for her in the House GOP vote).

    Get your point re Mr Wright / turnout but this is a seat where the Democrat should have at least got through to the final round. Plus Mrs Wright had Trump's endorsement, which suggests he may not have the polarising effect he had 6 months ago (FWIW, I think that is the case given his relative silence)
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,083

    "I was born in hell, but now I live in heaven."

    North Korean refugee - who faced torture and starvation, and was sold into marriage - explains why she's standing for the Tories in Bury:

    https://www.ctvnews.ca/world/she-escaped-from-north-korea-twice-and-now-she-s-running-for-office-in-the-u-k-1.5411375

    Inspiring no matter what, but from the ward they're standing in probably won't win?
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,485
    MrEd said:

    MrEd said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MrEd said:

    stodge said:



    The GOP have been circling the drain for decades.

    I think one of the real political events of interest in 2022 will be the GOP primaries for the midterms where we'll see the battle for the soul of the Republican Party played out between the pro-Trump and anti-Trump factions and will we see the first indications of a schism?

    Will defeated pro-Trump primary candidates run as third party or Patriot Party candidates for example?
    Worth taking a look at the results of the TX-6 special election. This was a seat Trump won by 3pc in 2020, is in the Dallas / Fort Worth area and the sort of Texas seat Democrats need to win to make advances in the state. Two Republican candidates went through to the final round and the Democrats only garnered 36pc of the vote.

    Smaller scale but in a Texas school district where it was a conservative PAC vs progressive Critical Race Theorists, the latter got absolutely slaughtered, with the former taking all seats.

    Funnily enough, Biden’s supposed stellar polling ratings or the “popularity” of the progressive agenda doesn’t seem to be translating into votes in the suburbs
    More manna from heaven for the Trump tendency comes in the form of the new US census. The census apparently shows 5 million more votes were counted in 2020 than people recorded as voting.

    Its going to run and run with repub voters, this.
    How would a census show that?

    How about you share a link demonstrating that "5 million more votes were counted in 2020 than people recorded as voting."
    Perhaps the bigger story here is that the redistribution of House seats following the Census is far less than when the original Census predictions came out last year. The official Census count is a lot more favourable to the Democrats which is getting the Republicans asking questions. And the Census Board is directing questions to the White House, which is not the standard pattern.

    Here we go again... zzzzzzzz
    Ah, bless. Look who has popped up again :)
    Still fighting yesterday’s war I see. I realise how hard it is for you to let go.
  • MrEdMrEd Posts: 5,578

    MrEd said:

    MrEd said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MrEd said:

    stodge said:



    The GOP have been circling the drain for decades.

    I think one of the real political events of interest in 2022 will be the GOP primaries for the midterms where we'll see the battle for the soul of the Republican Party played out between the pro-Trump and anti-Trump factions and will we see the first indications of a schism?

    Will defeated pro-Trump primary candidates run as third party or Patriot Party candidates for example?
    Worth taking a look at the results of the TX-6 special election. This was a seat Trump won by 3pc in 2020, is in the Dallas / Fort Worth area and the sort of Texas seat Democrats need to win to make advances in the state. Two Republican candidates went through to the final round and the Democrats only garnered 36pc of the vote.

    Smaller scale but in a Texas school district where it was a conservative PAC vs progressive Critical Race Theorists, the latter got absolutely slaughtered, with the former taking all seats.

    Funnily enough, Biden’s supposed stellar polling ratings or the “popularity” of the progressive agenda doesn’t seem to be translating into votes in the suburbs
    More manna from heaven for the Trump tendency comes in the form of the new US census. The census apparently shows 5 million more votes were counted in 2020 than people recorded as voting.

    Its going to run and run with repub voters, this.
    How would a census show that?

    How about you share a link demonstrating that "5 million more votes were counted in 2020 than people recorded as voting."
    Perhaps the bigger story here is that the redistribution of House seats following the Census is far less than when the original Census predictions came out last year. The official Census count is a lot more favourable to the Democrats which is getting the Republicans asking questions. And the Census Board is directing questions to the White House, which is not the standard pattern.

    Here we go again... zzzzzzzz
    Ah, bless. Look who has popped up again :)
    Still fighting yesterday’s war I see. I realise how hard it is for you to let go.
    Nope, the Census is about 2022's war - the one in which the Dems will get absolutely slaughtered :)
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,638

    eek said:

    Foxy said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    ydoethur said:

    Sandpit said:

    How has the weather been for most people today? Her in Buchan its been mostly overcast with sunny spells - but dry and warm enough for short sleeves.

    High winds and sandstorms here, low visibility but 35°C.
    Wet, windy and cold pretty well all over Wales and the Midlands AFAICS.
    SHITE in north London. Unredeemed SHITE
    The weather is diabolical in Hampshire. Driving rain and what sounds like gale-force winds too.

    This could be kristallnacht for my vegetable patch.
    This is, I think, the autumn-winter-spring that finally tips me into buying a bolthole abroad. Portugal or Greece. Enough, now

    So much grey, so much cold, so much rubbish
    Spend two weeks for two years in a property that you own in Portugal, worth €350 000 and you get a Golden Visa, and can escape the folly that the Brexiteers have inflicted on the rest of us. Apparently the language test for citizenship isn't too bad either.
    Greece is €250,000 for a visa but the alphabet is something I can't cope with.
    Yes, the Greek alphabet is a Hellas experience.
    Troy as you might, it is hard to beat Greece.
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