New Ipsos “Vaccine Passport” polling finds strong support across a wide range of activities – politi
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That's facts, and facts are boring. Like the actual delivery and usage stats.noneoftheabove said:
I thought Germany already had gone to 12 weeks for AZ and 6 for Pfizer? Canada has gone to 4 months. Both when they are not suspending their programmes on flimsy evidence though.Floater said:
Much more fun to swallow Putinesque trolling hook, line and sinker. Especially if it confirms your pre-existing belief that Johnson-style Brexit was a good idea.
(To save time: yes, UK vaccination has gone extremely well, EU vaccination has gone mediocrely at best and many statements by Commission and National politicians are undignified to the point of bizarreness. But that doesn't mean that the issue should be treated in the same way that Dilyn the Dog was alleged to treat the leg of the PM's former Chief Adviser. Which some people are.)1 -
Yes, that should be MUCH shorter. He's leading Labour into the GE. If he is likely not to, those 3/1 odds of yours are a rip off and our bet is off the back of a lorry rather than pristine and pukka.isam said:Rare that this is the case, but I think if you backed the two outsiders here, even paying the 5% over round, you’re on a good thing. Basically 4/6 Sir Keir is still leader in 2024
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Well they shouldn't have "gone to 12 weeks" for AZ, since those were the original recommendation. As for Pfizer, does going from 4->6 weeks actually buy you that much?Stuartinromford said:
That's facts, and facts are boring. Like the actual delivery and usage stats.noneoftheabove said:
I thought Germany already had gone to 12 weeks for AZ and 6 for Pfizer? Canada has gone to 4 months. Both when they are not suspending their programmes on flimsy evidence though.Floater said:
Much more fun to swallow Putinesque trolling hook, line and sinker. Especially if it confirms your pre-existing belief that Johnson-style Brexit was a good idea.
(To save time: yes, UK vaccination has gone extremely well, EU vaccination has gone mediocrely at best and many statements by Commission and National politicians are undignified to the point of bizarreness. But that doesn't mean that the issue should be treated in the same way that Dilyn the Dog was alleged to treat the leg of the PM's former Chief Adviser. Which some people are.)0 -
Apologies if these points have already been made, but it should be remembered that this polling has been done at a time when none of these activities are legal. So it’s hardly surprising that there is support for vaccination passports as a lot of people will be thinking “well if that’s what it takes to get a pint in my local...”
Also, no time constraints are in the question. How many people support this indefinitely? And what about future vaccines against new variants? Will we be constantly in and out of lockdown until we get the latest vaccine? Seems unrealistic to me.1 -
The eradication of Easter seems a bit late this year, usually have weeks of this.
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The facts are not as simple as you make out though. Yes Germany has extended the gap between doses, it hasn't got the same utilisation of vaccines that we have though becuase they still set aside 50% of all doses on delivery. The gain of our policy is the extended gap coupled with just in time delivery of vaccines. They're doing the first one but not the second one. It's a bit pointless.Stuartinromford said:
That's facts, and facts are boring. Like the actual delivery and usage stats.noneoftheabove said:
I thought Germany already had gone to 12 weeks for AZ and 6 for Pfizer? Canada has gone to 4 months. Both when they are not suspending their programmes on flimsy evidence though.Floater said:
Much more fun to swallow Putinesque trolling hook, line and sinker. Especially if it confirms your pre-existing belief that Johnson-style Brexit was a good idea.
(To save time: yes, UK vaccination has gone extremely well, EU vaccination has gone mediocrely at best and many statements by Commission and National politicians are undignified to the point of bizarreness. But that doesn't mean that the issue should be treated in the same way that Dilyn the Dog was alleged to treat the leg of the PM's former Chief Adviser. Which some people are.)1 -
Also - what does Richard do when he loses his "bit of paper" and has to wait days to get a new one, unable to do anything in the mean time?MaxPB said:
It's not the bit of paper. It's that the government have got the same geniuses that built the terrible NHS App doing it. It is population tracking with checking into venues and the state knowing everything you do.Richard_Nabavi said:
What's the danger of having a a bit of paper showing you've had a jab?Richard_Tyndall said:Very sad. I have always known I was out of tune with the majority of the public on a lot of issues but I never thought they were quite this blind to the inherent dangers of such systems.
"“Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.”
I really don't get what on earth people are worried about here. Youngsters need a card to get into a pub already. Oldies have bus passes. Anyone who has travelled to some countries needs a Yellow Fever certificate. What on earth is the problem of having a certificate showing you're not a danger entering a non-socially-distanced event today? No-one is being forced to have a jab, no-one will be forced to have a certificate, and - most crucially of all - no-one will be denied entry to somewhere where they might have gone anyway, since without the vaccine passports these places would be shut completely, by law or because they are not viable with social distancing.
The problem is that he appears to have bought hook, line and sinker the idea that it's "vaccine passports and all social activities allowed" or "no vaccine passports and large numbers of social activities not allowed". There isn't a scientific basis for this - just Government decree.
Officially Government policy is pretty much - everything open from 21st June. This was the policy before things like (domestic) vaccine passports were being loudly talked about. The policy hasn't changed. And yet they continue to push an undercurrent of "vaccine passports are necessary to open up". There's a fundamental inconsistency and nobody is calling them out on it (albeit some people are believing the line that everything will be a voluntary scheme for businesses with no input from Govt).2 -
He was very good BJObigjohnowls said:He is good isnt he?
Refreshing to hear a Scottish Labour Leader who has passion
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Yeah I would say it is more like a 20% chance, so 4/6 about a 1/4 shot by combining the 3/1 2024 and 15/8 2025 or later is a nice (hypothetical) betdixiedean said:
I would say the following.isam said:
Smarkets won’t let me bet with them, but I think their Even money quote on Starmer leaving before 2024 is quite the ricket.dixiedean said:
Good spot!isam said:Rare that this is the case, but I think if you backed the two outsiders here, even paying the 5% over round, you’re on a good thing. Basically 4/6 Sir Keir is still leader in 2024
Have Labour ever got rid of a leader before he got a pop at a GE? Starmer won the leadership by a street, and his followers love him even though the public don’t. What would it take for him to leave early? Can’t be a 50% chance
Ill health. Doesn't look unwell to me, but you never know, obviously. 2-3%.
A major scandal. Again, never can tell, but he's a former DPP who worked under Cameron and May. If there was owt there it would be out there. No reason for him to start being a naughty boy now. 2-3%.
A successful leadership challenge. As you say, Labour just doesn't knife leaders. And, even if it did, who the heck is there to win it? 10% at most.
The biggie is early election defeat. But the new boundaries kick in in 2023, making that less likely. And a big majority. Why needlessly risk that? See TMay. I reckon about 20 %.
Add in another 5% for black swan event.
40% chance is being somewhat generous.
If there is anyone on here confident of Smarkets prices to the point they will lay them, I will back 4/5 Starmer is still Lab Leader on Jan 1st 2024
Or to put it another way, I will lay 5/4 he is gone by that date
@pong You have an SBK acc??
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I barely bothered to factor the chance of him being replaced before a GE in, now Smarkets are telling us its a coin toss!!kinabalu said:
Yes, that should be MUCH shorter. He's leading Labour into the GE. If he is likely not to, those 3/1 odds of yours are a rip off and our bet is off the back of a lorry rather than pristine and pukka.isam said:Rare that this is the case, but I think if you backed the two outsiders here, even paying the 5% over round, you’re on a good thing. Basically 4/6 Sir Keir is still leader in 2024
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When's mini Trump making his announcement this evening?0
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It's a nonsense imo. Lock that in with another poster and with our bet you have a win vs flat.isam said:
I barely bothered to factor the chance of him being replaced before a GE in, now Smarkets are telling us its a coin toss!!kinabalu said:
Yes, that should be MUCH shorter. He's leading Labour into the GE. If he is likely not to, those 3/1 odds of yours are a rip off and our bet is off the back of a lorry rather than pristine and pukka.isam said:Rare that this is the case, but I think if you backed the two outsiders here, even paying the 5% over round, you’re on a good thing. Basically 4/6 Sir Keir is still leader in 2024
I will accept that you didn't know those Starmer exit prices beforehand.
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Evening all (seems odd saying that while it's still light out)
As I've frequently said, make people scared enough and they'll voluntarily give away any freedom, liberty or right for a promise of safety and security if not even for themselves than for their families.
Conversely, provide a big enough crisis or challenge and a Government will abandon any and every principle in response.
I've likened the pandemic to a terrorist attack and in many ways the response of public and Government to coronavirus has been analogous to the response to a terrorist outrage. At times of crisis, we rely on and look to Government (or "the State") to inform and protect us. We hang on almost daily "briefings" from Ministers and scientists to tell us what's happening, what to do, what not to do etc.
We demand of the Government "answers". Government must do "something" to make us feel safe and secure again, to make our lives normal again. Oddly enough, some of those most vocal in demanding Government respond to terror outrages are among those protesting the Government's response to coronavirus. There seems some forms of terror to which a response is required and others where it is not - curious.2 -
In about ten minutes.FrancisUrquhart said:When's mini Trump making his announcement this evening?
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It feels like every French president ends up the same, no matter how they started, politically speaking.0
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It is so bad that I want to bet on the sixth republic beginning in the next decade.Andy_JS said:It feels like every French president ends up the same, no matter how they started, politically speaking.
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If anyone wants to watch Macron's address it should be available here.
https://www.france24.com/en/france/20210331-live-macron-addresses-france-as-covid-19-cases-resurge?ref=tw_i0 -
Are you expecting me to be able to speak Foreign?TheScreamingEagles said:If anyone wants to watch Macron's address it should be available here.
https://www.france24.com/en/france/20210331-live-macron-addresses-france-as-covid-19-cases-resurge?ref=tw_i2 -
You can also watch Macron's address on Sky channel 512.0
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France 24 are providing a live English translation.Gallowgate said:
Are you expecting me to be able to speak Foreign?TheScreamingEagles said:If anyone wants to watch Macron's address it should be available here.
https://www.france24.com/en/france/20210331-live-macron-addresses-france-as-covid-19-cases-resurge?ref=tw_i0 -
But its all in foreign.... can't he speak in English?TheScreamingEagles said:If anyone wants to watch Macron's address it should be available here.
https://www.france24.com/en/france/20210331-live-macron-addresses-france-as-covid-19-cases-resurge?ref=tw_i0 -
"16:55
Huge queue outside London vaccination centre after council offers walk-in jabs
More than 2,000 people turned out at a vaccination centre in Walthamstow, northeast London, after a call was put out to use up spare doses of the AstraZeneca jab.
Those over the age of 50 or adults with health conditions were encouraged to walk into the centre to get a first jab - but it turned out there was more than enough demand.
People had to be asked to stop arriving after a massive queue formed. "
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He can, the reason I learned French was to mock the French in their own language because I adored the French, look I was 11 at the time.FrancisUrquhart said:
But its all in foreign.... can't he speak in English?TheScreamingEagles said:If anyone wants to watch Macron's address it should be available here.
https://www.france24.com/en/france/20210331-live-macron-addresses-france-as-covid-19-cases-resurge?ref=tw_i0 -
One or two interesting snippets from European polling today.
The latest Forsa poll in Germany has only minor changes with both the CDU/CSU and Greens up a point so it's 27-23. SPD 15%, AfD 11%, FDP 10% and Linke 7% soall well within margin of error.
In Poland, the political landscape has been rocked by he emergence of PL2050, a new grouping which has torn chunks out of the vote of the other main parties. They are a pro-EU grouping seeking to build a new Franco-German-Polish axis to be at the centre of the Union. In the latest poll, PL2050 has 27%, behind the governing PiS on 30% with the KO opposition bloc on 18%.
We'll do a full talk on Latvian politics another day - meanwhile, in Greece, signs of a small come back for Syriza but New Democracy retains a healthy 41-28 lead.1 -
Hurrah for Macron, he said Cockney Covid variation was identified in the UK.0
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Ha I wouldn't try and have you over.kinabalu said:
It's a nonsense imo. Lock that in with another poster and with our bet you have a win vs flat.isam said:
I barely bothered to factor the chance of him being replaced before a GE in, now Smarkets are telling us its a coin toss!!kinabalu said:
Yes, that should be MUCH shorter. He's leading Labour into the GE. If he is likely not to, those 3/1 odds of yours are a rip off and our bet is off the back of a lorry rather than pristine and pukka.isam said:Rare that this is the case, but I think if you backed the two outsiders here, even paying the 5% over round, you’re on a good thing. Basically 4/6 Sir Keir is still leader in 2024
I will accept that you didn't know those Starmer exit prices beforehand.
Thousands wouldn't. ☺
I have given you better odds than the market says they should be - I think it is a 5/2 shot off Betfair related markets, but, factoring I think the Con Maj price is wrong, and Sir Keir is a lot worse than people think, happy to lay you 3/1, cheers!2 -
Sky News are carrying the speech, surprisingly.0
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4 week lockdown in France starting on Saturday.1
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4 weeks, right.TheScreamingEagles said:4 week lockdown in France starting on Saturday.
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That's what Remain should have done. Instead of whinged and whined about the damage leave would do, they should have made the case for a positive vision where the UK took more of a leadership role in the future to shape the EU as we wanted it.stodge said:One or two interesting snippets from European polling today.
The latest Forsa poll in Germany has only minor changes with both the CDU/CSU and Greens up a point so it's 27-23. SPD 15%, AfD 11%, FDP 10% and Linke 7% soall well within margin of error.
In Poland, the political landscape has been rocked by he emergence of PL2050, a new grouping which has torn chunks out of the vote of the other main parties. They are a pro-EU grouping seeking to build a new Franco-German-Polish axis to be at the centre of the Union. In the latest poll, PL2050 has 27%, behind the governing PiS on 30% with the KO opposition bloc on 18%.
We'll do a full talk on Latvian politics another day - meanwhile, in Greece, signs of a small come back for Syriza but New Democracy retains a healthy 41-28 lead.
Alas, not to be.0 -
Jupiter, you mean.FrancisUrquhart said:When's mini Trump making his announcement this evening?
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Head in hands...we had a year of this pandemic, and leaders keep repeating the same mistakes over and over again.TheScreamingEagles said:4 week lockdown in France starting on Saturday.
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Hah. Losers.TheScreamingEagles said:4 week lockdown in France starting on Saturday.
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Why wait until Saturday. I don't understand this mentality at all, we made the same mistakes here too.TheScreamingEagles said:4 week lockdown in France starting on Saturday.
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But French people who are overseas can come back to France during the lockdown.
If I also heard it right people can move around for Easter.
Edit - But only move for 10km.0 -
There! Was that so hard?Stuartinromford said:
That's facts, and facts are boring. Like the actual delivery and usage stats.noneoftheabove said:
I thought Germany already had gone to 12 weeks for AZ and 6 for Pfizer? Canada has gone to 4 months. Both when they are not suspending their programmes on flimsy evidence though.Floater said:
Much more fun to swallow Putinesque trolling hook, line and sinker. Especially if it confirms your pre-existing belief that Johnson-style Brexit was a good idea.
(To save time: yes, UK vaccination has gone extremely well, EU vaccination has gone mediocrely at best and many statements by Commission and National politicians are undignified to the point of bizarreness. But that doesn't mean that the issue should be treated in the same way that Dilyn the Dog was alleged to treat the leg of the PM's former Chief Adviser. Which some people are.)
BTW in Spain you only get AZT if you are under 65 or if you are an over 65 essential worker!! And like all the other idiot countries they're holding millions of second doses while only just about done with the over 85 cohorts. And they've just passed a law which says you have to wear a mask at the beach!0 -
Closing schools for three weeks.0
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Macron needs to speak slower.0
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Ridiculous to admit so openly what everyone else knew. What a plonker!CarlottaVance said:0 -
Followed by a holiday....typical French....TheScreamingEagles said:Closing schools for three weeks.
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According to Macron Covid-19 is running rampant all over Europe, France is no exception.
No country is immune.0 -
Ooh goodie, Macron says vaccines is the only way out of this, so tells the people to get vaccinated.0
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Showing evidence for vaccines....he could have used a bigger dataset to help emphasis this from another country or two....1
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Those quasi-ineffective vaccines are superbe!2
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He seems to be in a flat panic to be honestTheScreamingEagles said:Ooh goodie, Macron says vaccines is the only way out of this, so tells the people to get vaccinated.
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So he should be.Big_G_NorthWales said:
He seems to be in a flat panic to be honestTheScreamingEagles said:Ooh goodie, Macron says vaccines is the only way out of this, so tells the people to get vaccinated.
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He ain't half rambling....it a bit like listening to a Boris.0
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Yup.FrancisUrquhart said:
Head in hands...we had a year of this pandemic, and leaders keep repeating the same mistakes over and over again.TheScreamingEagles said:4 week lockdown in France starting on Saturday.
Historians will not be kind.0 -
We'd cough if we hadn't all been jabbed!TheScreamingEagles said:According to Macron Covid-19 is running rampant all over Europe, France is no exception.
No country is immune.1 -
Lots of people love wild swimming and enjoy articles and books about wild swimming. I own several. That the Guardian shouldn't publish features on wild swimming because a few nesh PBers don't like wild swimming is the epitome of an 'Only On PB' moment.0
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People have strong opinions on "wild swimming"?Anabobazina said:Lots of people love wild swimming and enjoy articles and books about wild swimming. I own several. That the Guardian shouldn't publish features on wild swimming because a few nesh PBers don't like wild swimming is the epitome of an 'Only On PB' moment.
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I expect busy superspreading Thursdays and Fridays.....TheScreamingEagles said:4 week lockdown in France starting on Saturday.
We saw exactly this in the Channel Islands - lockdown II - Guernsey "effective immediately", Jersey "in two days time". Guernsey came under control a lot faster....0 -
Isn't he always like this? Highly-strung, nervy, loquacious?Richard_Nabavi said:
So he should be.Big_G_NorthWales said:
He seems to be in a flat panic to be honestTheScreamingEagles said:Ooh goodie, Macron says vaccines is the only way out of this, so tells the people to get vaccinated.
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Yes, I suppose so.Leon said:
Isn't he always like this? Highly-strung, nervy, loquacious?Richard_Nabavi said:
So he should be.Big_G_NorthWales said:
He seems to be in a flat panic to be honestTheScreamingEagles said:Ooh goodie, Macron says vaccines is the only way out of this, so tells the people to get vaccinated.
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We are watching a very frightened leader closing the stable door after the horse has boltedFrancisUrquhart said:He ain't half rambling....it a bit like listening to a Boris.
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Poland 33,000 cases, 650 deaths. Grim0
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France looking opening up the cultural/restaurant sectors in Mid May.
Just like Le Royaume-Uni.0 -
I have no idea. We have the Americans reporting on something and raising their alert level accordingly, but we have no indication that levels of Russian hardware in the area are at appreciably higher levels than they would normally be - which as it's the Ukraine border, I would suspect would be high. I don't see that it's in Russia's interests to mount an invasion of Ukraine when Nordstream 2 is progressing - I do see that it's in America's interests for both sides to go into crisis mode. I don't think there's much they won't do to try to stop the pipeline happening.Burgessian said:
Well, who's doing the provoking? At any rate, places Merkel in an "interesting" spot.Luckyguy1983 said:
Provoking a conflict to try and stop the pipeline?Floater said:uh oh
https://twitter.com/theragex/status/1377221037495103489
Apparent corroboration
https://www.forexlive.com/news/!/us-euro-command-has-raised-its-alert-level-following-the-build-up-of-russian-ukraine-20210331
I have seen many videos now of Russian military equipment being deployed to Crimea and border of Ukraine
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It is a very comic phrase to those of us who for over 60 years have called it just 'swimming'.Gallowgate said:
People have strong opinions on "wild swimming"?Anabobazina said:Lots of people love wild swimming and enjoy articles and books about wild swimming. I own several. That the Guardian shouldn't publish features on wild swimming because a few nesh PBers don't like wild swimming is the epitome of an 'Only On PB' moment.
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Sure. Germany, in particular, are being unwisely pedantic about the rules on the label. I've worked for a German boss and had German colleagues- that shouldn't surprise anyone. Though it was in Vienna that I was told off for crossing an empty road when the traffic light man was red.MaxPB said:
The facts are not as simple as you make out though. Yes Germany has extended the gap between doses, it hasn't got the same utilisation of vaccines that we have though becuase they still set aside 50% of all doses on delivery. The gain of our policy is the extended gap coupled with just in time delivery of vaccines. They're doing the first one but not the second one. It's a bit pointless.Stuartinromford said:
That's facts, and facts are boring. Like the actual delivery and usage stats.noneoftheabove said:
I thought Germany already had gone to 12 weeks for AZ and 6 for Pfizer? Canada has gone to 4 months. Both when they are not suspending their programmes on flimsy evidence though.Floater said:
Much more fun to swallow Putinesque trolling hook, line and sinker. Especially if it confirms your pre-existing belief that Johnson-style Brexit was a good idea.
(To save time: yes, UK vaccination has gone extremely well, EU vaccination has gone mediocrely at best and many statements by Commission and National politicians are undignified to the point of bizarreness. But that doesn't mean that the issue should be treated in the same way that Dilyn the Dog was alleged to treat the leg of the PM's former Chief Adviser. Which some people are.)
But there's a massive space between that, and (for example) the idea that Europeans are set to be sucking off Putin for vaccine doses because they have left 400 million AZ doses sitting on the shelf.
As an example of a more outlandish pair of claims.0 -
Long live the French Republic, long live France.
He's finished.0 -
I'm not sure. He said terraces are opening in Mid May - i.e. what we are doing mid April. In mid May we will be allowed to sit inside.TheScreamingEagles said:France looking opening up the cultural/food sectors in Mid May.
Just like Le Royaume-Uni.
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Apparently. Bonkers in flippers.Gallowgate said:
People have strong opinions on "wild swimming"?Anabobazina said:Lots of people love wild swimming and enjoy articles and books about wild swimming. I own several. That the Guardian shouldn't publish features on wild swimming because a few nesh PBers don't like wild swimming is the epitome of an 'Only On PB' moment.
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Lol, as if that's going to happen. I mean the scientists here said that we could have a two week lockdown in October and everything would have been fine. The politicians just need a way to sell it today and then like here the goal posts will be moved.TheScreamingEagles said:France looking opening up the cultural/food sectors in Mid May.
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That sounds... optimistic...TheScreamingEagles said:France looking opening up the cultural/restaurant sectors in Mid May.
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Never heard of wild swimming before. What's the difference between wild swimming and — just swimming?Gallowgate said:
People have strong opinions on "wild swimming"?Anabobazina said:Lots of people love wild swimming and enjoy articles and books about wild swimming. I own several. That the Guardian shouldn't publish features on wild swimming because a few nesh PBers don't like wild swimming is the epitome of an 'Only On PB' moment.
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His speech or his career or bothTheScreamingEagles said:Long live the French Republic, long live France.
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My best wild swimming experience was in the midst of Heatwave Diablo in Tuscany. Found an azure inland pool fed by a mountain (thanks to GPS coordinates in my Wild Swimming Italy book). It felt like the last remaining open water in the region. Searingly hot for weeks, yet enough left to swim. Amazing. And free.0
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It's a weirdness of the system that the benefits cap is generally £20k, which, untaxed, is a lot, but that lots of people seem to receive derisory sums (400 pm being under £5k). There are three mysteries: Is this all true? Why does one never get to know the full package and value thereof someone gets (eg if your rent in paid, your council tax is paid etc this adds thousands of value)? And why is it so mystifyingly complicated to work out any particular case?TheScreamingEagles said:
My friend works for a Job Centre Plus, her most common exchange with 'customers' in this last year?noneoftheabove said:
Id expect there is still wide support for a benefits cap (depending on the exact amount), the recent concerns wider society have noticed are more to do with the benefits floor and speed and ease of access to a safety net than the cap.TheScreamingEagles said:
Same with the benefits system.Casino_Royale said:
This is like how Britons support the toughest sentences and punishments for offenders, and throw away the key for good measure, but go all gooey when they have personal experience of the criminal justice system.TheScreamingEagles said:As a great libertarian I find this disappointing but yet not unsurprising.
Covid-19 really has shaken that up.
The massive support for the benefits cap seems a long time ago.
New benefit recipient: I've just been paid my first Universal Credit payment, it is only £400 for the month, I thought it was £400 a week, how am I meant to live on £400 a month?
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44% in ICU under 65....Big_G_NorthWales said:
We are watching a very frightened leader closing the stable door after the horse has boltedFrancisUrquhart said:He ain't half rambling....it a bit like listening to a Boris.
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Naturally he has to give Parisians enough time to leave the capital for their rural retreats.MaxPB said:
Why wait until Saturday. I don't understand this mentality at all, we made the same mistakes here too.TheScreamingEagles said:4 week lockdown in France starting on Saturday.
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He's worried about les enfants being taught English.TheScreamingEagles said:Closing schools for three weeks.
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I don't think anyone has claimed either of those things. What is true is that they do have unused stockpiles, and they have reached out to Russia to buy Sputnik.Stuartinromford said:
Sure. Germany, in particular, are being unwisely pedantic about the rules on the label. I've worked for a German boss and had German colleagues- that shouldn't surprise anyone. Though it was in Vienna that I was told off for crossing an empty road when the traffic light man was red.MaxPB said:
The facts are not as simple as you make out though. Yes Germany has extended the gap between doses, it hasn't got the same utilisation of vaccines that we have though becuase they still set aside 50% of all doses on delivery. The gain of our policy is the extended gap coupled with just in time delivery of vaccines. They're doing the first one but not the second one. It's a bit pointless.Stuartinromford said:
That's facts, and facts are boring. Like the actual delivery and usage stats.noneoftheabove said:
I thought Germany already had gone to 12 weeks for AZ and 6 for Pfizer? Canada has gone to 4 months. Both when they are not suspending their programmes on flimsy evidence though.Floater said:
Much more fun to swallow Putinesque trolling hook, line and sinker. Especially if it confirms your pre-existing belief that Johnson-style Brexit was a good idea.
(To save time: yes, UK vaccination has gone extremely well, EU vaccination has gone mediocrely at best and many statements by Commission and National politicians are undignified to the point of bizarreness. But that doesn't mean that the issue should be treated in the same way that Dilyn the Dog was alleged to treat the leg of the PM's former Chief Adviser. Which some people are.)
But there's a massive space between that, and (for example) the idea that Europeans are set to be sucking off Putin for vaccine doses because they have left 400 million AZ doses sitting on the shelf.
As an example of a more outlandish pair of claims.1 -
Jesus Sky News saying he is lying about all vaccination centres will be open 7 days a week, they saying they have been to some and asked and they said no will only ever be 6 days a week.1
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OT Betfair crashed twice today.0
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But every single country that has done this, has done it this way. With warning.Andy_JS said:
Naturally he has to give Parisians enough time to leave the capital for their rural retreats.MaxPB said:
Why wait until Saturday. I don't understand this mentality at all, we made the same mistakes here too.TheScreamingEagles said:4 week lockdown in France starting on Saturday.
China. Italy, Spain, America, Britain, Austria, all of them
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Well they are open twice on Mondays; morning and afternoon.FrancisUrquhart said:Jesus Sky News saying he is lying about all vaccination centres will be open 7 days a week, they saying they have been to some and asked and they said no will only ever be 6 days a week.
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Or time for emergency legislationLeon said:
But every single country that has done this, has done it this way. With warning.Andy_JS said:
Naturally he has to give Parisians enough time to leave the capital for their rural retreats.MaxPB said:
Why wait until Saturday. I don't understand this mentality at all, we made the same mistakes here too.TheScreamingEagles said:4 week lockdown in France starting on Saturday.
China. Italy, Spain, America, Britain, Austria, all of them
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It crashed last week as well.DecrepiterJohnL said:OT Betfair crashed twice today.
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Comedy Dave will be on France24 shortly saying how amazingly everything is going in France....1
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Grumpy old men.Anabobazina said:Lots of people love wild swimming and enjoy articles and books about wild swimming. I own several. That the Guardian shouldn't publish features on wild swimming because a few nesh PBers don't like wild swimming is the epitome of an 'Only On PB' moment.
The last time I wild swum was Lake Windermere in very early spring.
Albeit some time ago :-) .1 -
Watching Macron there was an awful lot of justifying what had happened before and saying he would do the same again. Completely unable to admit having made any mistakes. I'm not surprised but the sheer cheek is mind blowing.1
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He's not done this, but I've seen a few French media types using the stats of 'Continental Europe'.FrancisUrquhart said:Comedy Dave will be on France24 shortly saying how amazingly everything is going in France....
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Wild swimming is done in the middle of winter in the middle of nowhere, for example, the well named Loch Frisa on Mull, and it clears the mind. And turns you blue. You soon notice the difference between it and a fortnight in Magaluf. One is supposed to be spiritually more uplifting but I can't recall which.Andy_JS said:
Never heard of wild swimming before. What's the difference between wild swimming and — just swimming?Gallowgate said:
People have strong opinions on "wild swimming"?Anabobazina said:Lots of people love wild swimming and enjoy articles and books about wild swimming. I own several. That the Guardian shouldn't publish features on wild swimming because a few nesh PBers don't like wild swimming is the epitome of an 'Only On PB' moment.
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It is Mons. Macaron. Logic does not apply.Leon said:
But every single country that has done this, has done it this way. With warning.Andy_JS said:
Naturally he has to give Parisians enough time to leave the capital for their rural retreats.MaxPB said:
Why wait until Saturday. I don't understand this mentality at all, we made the same mistakes here too.TheScreamingEagles said:4 week lockdown in France starting on Saturday.
China. Italy, Spain, America, Britain, Austria, all of them
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Trust me, I chose those phrases very specifically- I've been around here too much today.RobD said:
I don't think anyone has claimed either of those things. What is true is that they do have unused stockpiles, and they have reached out to Russia to buy Sputnik.Stuartinromford said:
Sure. Germany, in particular, are being unwisely pedantic about the rules on the label. I've worked for a German boss and had German colleagues- that shouldn't surprise anyone. Though it was in Vienna that I was told off for crossing an empty road when the traffic light man was red.MaxPB said:
The facts are not as simple as you make out though. Yes Germany has extended the gap between doses, it hasn't got the same utilisation of vaccines that we have though becuase they still set aside 50% of all doses on delivery. The gain of our policy is the extended gap coupled with just in time delivery of vaccines. They're doing the first one but not the second one. It's a bit pointless.Stuartinromford said:
That's facts, and facts are boring. Like the actual delivery and usage stats.noneoftheabove said:
I thought Germany already had gone to 12 weeks for AZ and 6 for Pfizer? Canada has gone to 4 months. Both when they are not suspending their programmes on flimsy evidence though.Floater said:
Much more fun to swallow Putinesque trolling hook, line and sinker. Especially if it confirms your pre-existing belief that Johnson-style Brexit was a good idea.
(To save time: yes, UK vaccination has gone extremely well, EU vaccination has gone mediocrely at best and many statements by Commission and National politicians are undignified to the point of bizarreness. But that doesn't mean that the issue should be treated in the same way that Dilyn the Dog was alleged to treat the leg of the PM's former Chief Adviser. Which some people are.)
But there's a massive space between that, and (for example) the idea that Europeans are set to be sucking off Putin for vaccine doses because they have left 400 million AZ doses sitting on the shelf.
As an example of a more outlandish pair of claims.
And, as far as I know, the main source for the claim that Europe has reached out to Russia is the Daily Mail reporting of the Kremlin readout of a phone call.
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I see Rosie Duffield is todays unlucky person on the twatters to have the pitchfork mob pile on....something about being a massive transprobe.1
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He did admit errors, he just didn't admit personal mistakes, eg calling AZ "quasi ineffective"AlistairM said:Watching Macron there was an awful lot of justifying what had happened before and saying he would do the same again. Completely unable to admit having made any mistakes. I'm not surprised but the sheer cheek is mind blowing.
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My positive vison would have been the UK and the Northern European countries (i.e. the ones with a work ethic) ganging up on the Mediterranean countries.Gallowgate said:
That's what Remain should have done. Instead of whinged and whined about the damage leave would do, they should have made the case for a positive vision where the UK took more of a leadership role in the future to shape the EU as we wanted it.stodge said:One or two interesting snippets from European polling today.
The latest Forsa poll in Germany has only minor changes with both the CDU/CSU and Greens up a point so it's 27-23. SPD 15%, AfD 11%, FDP 10% and Linke 7% soall well within margin of error.
In Poland, the political landscape has been rocked by he emergence of PL2050, a new grouping which has torn chunks out of the vote of the other main parties. They are a pro-EU grouping seeking to build a new Franco-German-Polish axis to be at the centre of the Union. In the latest poll, PL2050 has 27%, behind the governing PiS on 30% with the KO opposition bloc on 18%.
We'll do a full talk on Latvian politics another day - meanwhile, in Greece, signs of a small come back for Syriza but New Democracy retains a healthy 41-28 lead.
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My point is that the two claims are likely true. Not that there is anything wrong with asking for Sputnik. They (and perhaps we) should have done that earlier, especially now we know how effective it is.Stuartinromford said:
Trust me, I chose those phrases very specifically- I've been around here too much today.RobD said:
I don't think anyone has claimed either of those things. What is true is that they do have unused stockpiles, and they have reached out to Russia to buy Sputnik.Stuartinromford said:
Sure. Germany, in particular, are being unwisely pedantic about the rules on the label. I've worked for a German boss and had German colleagues- that shouldn't surprise anyone. Though it was in Vienna that I was told off for crossing an empty road when the traffic light man was red.MaxPB said:
The facts are not as simple as you make out though. Yes Germany has extended the gap between doses, it hasn't got the same utilisation of vaccines that we have though becuase they still set aside 50% of all doses on delivery. The gain of our policy is the extended gap coupled with just in time delivery of vaccines. They're doing the first one but not the second one. It's a bit pointless.Stuartinromford said:
That's facts, and facts are boring. Like the actual delivery and usage stats.noneoftheabove said:
I thought Germany already had gone to 12 weeks for AZ and 6 for Pfizer? Canada has gone to 4 months. Both when they are not suspending their programmes on flimsy evidence though.Floater said:
Much more fun to swallow Putinesque trolling hook, line and sinker. Especially if it confirms your pre-existing belief that Johnson-style Brexit was a good idea.
(To save time: yes, UK vaccination has gone extremely well, EU vaccination has gone mediocrely at best and many statements by Commission and National politicians are undignified to the point of bizarreness. But that doesn't mean that the issue should be treated in the same way that Dilyn the Dog was alleged to treat the leg of the PM's former Chief Adviser. Which some people are.)
But there's a massive space between that, and (for example) the idea that Europeans are set to be sucking off Putin for vaccine doses because they have left 400 million AZ doses sitting on the shelf.
As an example of a more outlandish pair of claims.
And, as far as I know, the main source for the claim that Europe has reached out to Russia is the Daily Mail reporting of the Kremlin readout of a phone call.
Given what we know about the delivery numbers, colour me unconvinced.1 -
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They've all made the same mistake.Leon said:
But every single country that has done this, has done it this way. With warning.Andy_JS said:
Naturally he has to give Parisians enough time to leave the capital for their rural retreats.MaxPB said:
Why wait until Saturday. I don't understand this mentality at all, we made the same mistakes here too.TheScreamingEagles said:4 week lockdown in France starting on Saturday.
China. Italy, Spain, America, Britain, Austria, all of them
There must be some logical reason. Give police time to organise? Let the truly desperate slip through, on compassionate grounds?0 -
Looking at the history of the UK lockdown, however, are four weeks(-ish - the schools will be back in three) going to be enough? I know that they start with the advantage of being some distance into their vaccination project, but even in that regard France is only where the UK was - in terms of the proportion of the population to have been given a vaccine - at the end of January, and their upwards trajectory is much shallower.Leon said:
I'm not sure. He said terraces are opening in Mid May - i.e. what we are doing mid April. In mid May we will be allowed to sit inside.TheScreamingEagles said:France looking opening up the cultural/food sectors in Mid May.
Just like Le Royaume-Uni.
Sounds like they are about a month behind, which makes sense with this extra month of lockdown
Assuming that the unlocking sequence in England happens on schedule, it'll have been three full months from peak mortality to beer gardens. Assuming that the French epidemic follows the pattern of our January disaster, and peak mortality therefore comes about a fortnight into national lockdown, then they're proposing to make that transition in only one month. It doesn't seem realistic.1
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