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New Ipsos “Vaccine Passport” polling finds strong support across a wide range of activities – politi
New Ipsos “Vaccine Passport” polling finds strong support across a wide range of activities – politicalbetting.com
The British public, according to this survey, seem to have a very strong desire to impose the most extraordinary regime on everybody as we edge out of lockdown. If all or many of these these were to be implemented we would soon realise the scale of controls on our lives.
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Give me freedom and liberty now!
First doses 224,590
Second doses 270,526
Crossover!
"“Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.”
Blackpool, London, Sussex, and somewhere else in the summer.
Then Glasgow and Alnwick in the autumn.
I'm actually looking forward to a break in Blackpool.
I suspect once we go a couple of winters without too much problems and/or avoid new variants support for this stuff will dissipate.
I really don't get what on earth people are worried about here. Youngsters need a card to get into a pub already. Oldies have bus passes. Anyone who has travelled to some countries needs a Yellow Fever certificate. What on earth is the problem of having a certificate showing you're not a danger entering a non-socially-distanced event today? No-one is being forced to have a jab, no-one will be forced to have a certificate, and - most crucially of all - no-one will be denied entry to somewhere where they might have gone anyway, since without the vaccine passports these places would be shut completely, by law or because they are not viable with social distancing.
Your last point is risible - whether or not the 5% of hold outs get vaccinated, the sort of normal public spaces we're talking about will be perfectly safe for everyone to enjoy in the way we used to do.
https://twitter.com/theragex/status/1377221037495103489
Apparent corroboration
https://www.forexlive.com/news/!/us-euro-command-has-raised-its-alert-level-following-the-build-up-of-russian-ukraine-20210331
I have seen many videos now of Russian military equipment being deployed to Crimea and border of Ukraine
4 Ukrainian servicemen (one a LT Colonel) were killed in last few days
As a verified young person, would I really be banned from public transport just because we haven't got to me yet?
I suppose it is about dealing with questions one at a time, and how it is put. If you went up to people and said: "Do you want this following list of 83 different everyday activities, like having a haircut, to be a crime unless you have a government issued permit allowing it" you may get a saner answer.
We’re at almost 59% of all adults today. In England as of 21st March we were at 93% for the 60s and even higher for those older.
80% for the 55-59s and 65% for the 50-54s, presumably both of which will have crept up substantially the next time data is reported.
Is mid 80% a realistic goal do we think? Add on a bit more from acquired immunity, sarscov2 is going to have a very hard job indeed in this country.
Plus, as others have pointed out, if you carry a smart phone, you're already tracked in far, far more detail. And if you don't like it, don't carry the smart phone or the vaccine passport, and don't go to the venue. You haven't lost anything compared with the alternative, which is that the venue is closed.
from cases
from hospitalisations
And you can go to the pub without your phone. Your phone is a convenience only to you which you can choose to be with or not.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/2021/03/30/vast-majority-positive-covid-tests-taken-schools-likely-false/
They will have the data already. No need for any of the processes that protect us from state intrusion if we just hand it over to them.
Actually, I have been accused of being in the wrong party a couple of times at branch meetings. Once it was UKIP, another time it was the Greens. Never the Tories though.
BTW, these twats littering our parks up and down the land should be put in the stocks. Or be birched. Or both. At the same time. They are just reinforcing my contempt and disdain for humankind.
I disagree with it vehemently. Plus everyone in the UK will need to have had both jabs including the children so where does that take us to time-wise?
And this is of course a natural policy option from a government which has seen the public lap up every restrictive measure without question since this thing began.
Including many, many here on PB.
There is no logical public health reason for having vaccination passports within the country. If you think there is then I suggest you go and read the history of the smallpox outbreaks of the 1950s and 60s when a similar schemes were suggested and rejected as being impractical and a sign of state overreach - and that was for a disease with a CFR of 30%.
The only reason for having such schemes is state oversight of our movements. That will never be acceptable. Meanwhile Covid will become endemic like flu and something we learn to live with.
Anyway, so don't install the app, if you trust Facebook and Twitter more than the state. No-one is suggesting it will be compulsory. it will just give you options which you wouldn't otherwise have. Or use the paper-based alternative, which is certain to be available,
And as I have said it is utterly pointless unless you ae going to sack every staff member of every shop, pub, club and theatre in the country who hasn't ben vaccinated.
I can see they would be useful to the police, if, for example, you had come from the next county to go for a walk around a reservoir. Or sitting on a park bench. Or giving a birthday party for a child.
The behaviour of the state over the last 12 months is exactly why we should be resisting with every sinew giving them more power.
The Police accepted she was innocent based on review of her location at the time of alleged incidents - by reference to mobile phone records
This was over 5 years ago.......
How do I go to the pub if the government is going to require the vaccine passport to go there? The objection is that I have no intention of giving the state a way to track where I go or what I do. The vaccine passport is going to do that and do it under the guise of "saving the NHS" to get people to accept it. I installed the original NHS app becuase the data didn't sit with the state and there was real need to get people to isolate. Once we've all been jabbed what's the point of it?
Once again, I'm not suggesting I wouldn't have one for overseas travel, that seems entirely reasonable, it's the domestic use and the proposal to do it via an app with positional data tracking that's the problem and not even a hint of it being time limited. I'm hoping that the app doesn't work and then once they fix it we don't need it.
Are we really saying you need a vaccine to enjoy yourself in these places but the poor bloody workers in them don't?
We're becoming a gerontocracy.
Is my guess.
But all the govt has to do is look at the list of restrictive measures over the past year side by side with its position in the opinion polls. Why wouldn't it tack to the more authoritarian stance?
To answer your specific questions (all to be taken in the context where there's still a lot of cases and a largish proportion of unvaccinated people so we can't just relax the restrictions altogether):
Yes, it might be necessary for people working in pubs to be vaccinated, if that's the only safe way the pub can operate, since they are known to be a super-spreader venues. This measure protects their jobs, so I'm unclear what your point about sacking them is. They'll be sacked if the pub can't operate because people like you have prevented this solution from being applied.
No, it won't be necessary for shop workers to be vaccinated, because we know the risk is minimal if they are operated carefully.
Yes, we might have to live with it. This is exactly why the idea has to be considered.
If the next GE results in PM Starmer you owe me £300.
If it doesn't I owe you £100.
Literally that. Not "Next PM". If, say, Johnson is replaced by Sunak before the GE, our bet is unaffected.
First I've heard of it.