Huh, coincidentally given the discussion about jobs, I just got an approach. Broadly speaking (for discretion), head of sub-department at a good Russell Group university. It's always nice to be asked. I just wish they would actually indicate a salary rather than beat about the bush. PBers who are headhunted regularly: should I just think of a number, double it, and see if they bite?
Huh, coincidentally given the discussion about jobs, I just got an approach. Broadly speaking (for discretion), head of sub-department at a good Russell Group university. It's always nice to be asked. I just wish they would actually indicate a salary rather than beat about the bush. PBers who are headhunted regularly: should I just think of a number, double it, and see if they bite?
Back on topic, the YouGov poll numbers give a seat projection of:
Lab 22 Con 19 PC 14 Abolish 4 LD 1
Abolish and LDs are irrelevant on those numbers but the options of a Lab/PC or Con/PC Government are both viable. It's a huge reverse for Labour and their worst ever Senedd result and it would be the best ever for the Conservatives.
I suppose the Conservatives will be hoping they can yoke PC to Labour and win against them both in 2026 though that will be strongly contingent on the result of the next GE I suspect.
Would Drakeford survive such a reverse? Perhaps his head is the price for PC's support - I don't know.
What happens if Abolish support a Tory FM, the LD a Lab one, and PC sit on their hands? 23-each.
Huh, coincidentally given the discussion about jobs, I just got an approach. Broadly speaking (for discretion), head of sub-department at a good Russell Group university. It's always nice to be asked. I just wish they would actually indicate a salary rather than beat about the bush. PBers who are headhunted regularly: should I just think of a number, double it, and see if they bite?
--AS
The trick is to ask for double and a lot of unlikely benefits, that you apparently have right now.
The standard stuff, free medical insurance, 10% of salary as car allowance, free creche, then ramp it up, 10% pension contribution, 60 days holiday a year, and if you don't take them all you get paid for the days you don't take off, etc.
On a complete aside, the latest poll from Spain has PSOE on 28%, PP on 24%, VOX on 19% and Podemos on 10%. The centre-right parties have moved from 35% at the last election to 43% now but the question is whether Casado would or could do a deal with Abascal.
Norway is due to vote on 13th September. The incumbent Hojre (Conservatives) have 24% in the latest Norstat poll. That's down a fraction on the last election. The main opposition to them this time is coming from the Centre Party which is on 20.5% (+10) and now tied with Labour (-7). Progress is on 10% (-6) and the Socialist Left on 7.5% (+1.5).
It looks possible a Centre-Labour Government could replace the current Hojre-led coalition on these numbers.
Back on topic, the YouGov poll numbers give a seat projection of:
Lab 22 Con 19 PC 14 Abolish 4 LD 1
Abolish and LDs are irrelevant on those numbers but the options of a Lab/PC or Con/PC Government are both viable. It's a huge reverse for Labour and their worst ever Senedd result and it would be the best ever for the Conservatives.
I suppose the Conservatives will be hoping they can yoke PC to Labour and win against them both in 2026 though that will be strongly contingent on the result of the next GE I suspect.
Would Drakeford survive such a reverse? Perhaps his head is the price for PC's support - I don't know.
What happens if Abolish support a Tory FM, the LD a Lab one, and PC sit on their hands? 23-each.
You’ve forgotten there has to be a Llywydd, although admittedly the current one is Plaid.
Fresh voting until either a winner emerges or the Llywydd declares there have to be fresh elections.
Huh, coincidentally given the discussion about jobs, I just got an approach. Broadly speaking (for discretion), head of sub-department at a good Russell Group university. It's always nice to be asked. I just wish they would actually indicate a salary rather than beat about the bush. PBers who are headhunted regularly: should I just think of a number, double it, and see if they bite?
--AS
Do you actually want it?
It would depend how much autonomy they'd give me to build the programme. My current position is comfortable so I'd only move for something to cap my career.
Anyone know why NI is doing so poorly? Almost 10% behind now, best part of 2 weeks.
One factor is that you don't need an NHS number to book a vaccination, so hundreds of people from the Republic have been booking and then been turned away when they turn up.
Huh, coincidentally given the discussion about jobs, I just got an approach. Broadly speaking (for discretion), head of sub-department at a good Russell Group university. It's always nice to be asked. I just wish they would actually indicate a salary rather than beat about the bush. PBers who are headhunted regularly: should I just think of a number, double it, and see if they bite?
--AS
Do you actually want it?
It would depend how much autonomy they'd give me to build the programme. My current position is comfortable so I'd only move for something to cap my career.
--AS
Then surely that’s the place to start any negotiations? Rather than salary?
Anyone know why NI is doing so poorly? Almost 10% behind now, best part of 2 weeks.
One factor is that you don't need an NHS number to book a vaccination, so hundreds of people from the Republic have been booking and then been turned away when they turn up.
Huh, coincidentally given the discussion about jobs, I just got an approach. Broadly speaking (for discretion), head of sub-department at a good Russell Group university. It's always nice to be asked. I just wish they would actually indicate a salary rather than beat about the bush. PBers who are headhunted regularly: should I just think of a number, double it, and see if they bite?
--AS
The trick is to ask for double and a lot of unlikely benefits, that you apparently have right now.
The standard stuff, free medical insurance, 10% of salary as car allowance, free creche, then ramp it up, 10% pension contribution, 60 days holiday a year, and if you don't take them all you get paid for the days you don't take off, etc.
Haha. The university pension DB scheme currently requires 21.1% employer contributions (rising to 23.7% in October), so it's pretty difficult to top that. I very much like the idea of 60 days holiday a year though. And perhaps set up a Southern Campus in Spain or Tahiti for regular sabbaticals.
Just wanted to say thank you very much for so many likes to my positive health news on the last thread. Contrary to popular belief you are all a really nice lot really.👍
Huh, coincidentally given the discussion about jobs, I just got an approach. Broadly speaking (for discretion), head of sub-department at a good Russell Group university. It's always nice to be asked. I just wish they would actually indicate a salary rather than beat about the bush. PBers who are headhunted regularly: should I just think of a number, double it, and see if they bite?
--AS
Do you actually want it?
It would depend how much autonomy they'd give me to build the programme. My current position is comfortable so I'd only move for something to cap my career.
--AS
Then surely that’s the place to start any negotiations? Rather than salary?
Actually in my experience it's a different person negotiating compensation from the person negotiating scope and autonomy. In my last job I found it easier to get salary past the money person first (which went surprisingly well), and then try negotiating the smaller things with the administrative person (which didn't go all my way last time, but it was my first tenured position and I didn't have the guts to threaten to walk).
Does that mean you need 14 tests a week to be eligible for a week? Or can you use the same tests for multiple days? In which case why would it be for 24 hrs?
No doubt the under 50s will be obliged to pay excessive fees to Johnson cronies for this privilege whilst boomers get all the free stuff.
There will be much rioting in the summer. I have never ever even been on a protest but would happily picket any businesses discriminate against those not offered the vaccination yet.
Christ well I dont vote tory since 2010 because of their authoritarian bollocks. This would push me into vote against the tory camp even if it meant voting for the lib dems
Particularly given lateral flow tests administered by non-medics are infamously as inaccurate as a Nick Gibb statement on schools.
Noone under 40 is going to bother with this, we'll just drink at each other's houses for a bit.
No you won't. What bollocks
You will be offered a free vaccination, which takes 10 minutes and is painless but might make you feel a bit poorly for 2 days (or, do nothing at all), a vaccine which protects you from a terrible disease which can ruin your life even if you never go to hospital (see that remarkable story posted by Mr Nabavi, in a prior thread)
Moreover, this vaccine will be a visa to hassle-free travel, going to gyms and theatres, not infecting your parents, or vulnerable people, why the F would you not take it? For free?! What point are you proving? Ha! I don't believe in SCIENCE! Take that, biology!
You will take it. 90% of people will take it. Maybe more
Particularly given lateral flow tests administered by non-medics are infamously as inaccurate as a Nick Gibb statement on schools.
This doesn't sound very sensible. I wonder if Steve Baker misunderstood? This might make a bit more sense for a travel passport, but as various people have said nobody would bother with it for a pub.
Anyone know why NI is doing so poorly? Almost 10% behind now, best part of 2 weeks.
One factor is that you don't need an NHS number to book a vaccination, so hundreds of people from the Republic have been booking and then been turned away when they turn up.
Particularly given lateral flow tests administered by non-medics are infamously as inaccurate as a Nick Gibb statement on schools.
Noone under 40 is going to bother with this, we'll just drink at each other's houses for a bit.
No you won't. What bollocks
You will be offered a free vaccination, which takes 10 minutes and is painless but might make you feel a bit poorly for 2 days (or, do nothing at all), a vaccine which protects you from a terrible disease which can ruin your life even if you never go to hospital (see that remarkable story posted by Mr Nabavi, in a prior thread)
Moreover, this vaccine will be a visa to hassle-free travel, going to gyms and theatres, not infecting your parents, or vulnerable people, why the F would you not take it? For free?! What point are you proving? Ha! I don't believe in SCIENCE! Take that, biology!
You will take it. 90% of people will take it. Maybe more
There is a difference between having had a vaccine and putting up with the bollocks of a vax passport internal to the country. I have been vaccinated I refuse point blank to do anything with the vax passport you propose and just like its mandatory to wear masks in shops a lot ignore it for custom...so will pubs. Anyone proposing this can go fuck themselves with a large monolith
Particularly given lateral flow tests administered by non-medics are infamously as inaccurate as a Nick Gibb statement on schools.
Noone under 40 is going to bother with this, we'll just drink at each other's houses for a bit.
No you won't. What bollocks
You will be offered a free vaccination, which takes 10 minutes and is painless but might make you feel a bit poorly for 2 days (or, do nothing at all), a vaccine which protects you from a terrible disease which can ruin your life even if you never go to hospital (see that remarkable story posted by Mr Nabavi, in a prior thread)
Moreover, this vaccine will be a visa to hassle-free travel, going to gyms and theatres, not infecting your parents, or vulnerable people, why the F would you not take it? For free?! What point are you proving? Ha! I don't believe in SCIENCE! Take that, biology!
You will take it. 90% of people will take it. Maybe more
Yes, but the point is that they seem to be proposing bringing these rules in before everyone has been offered a vaccine.
Which is a horse of a very different colour.
It would mean, for example, that I wouldn’t be able to go to a pub before in all probability July. Well, fuck that if they’re open for everyone else.
Particularly given lateral flow tests administered by non-medics are infamously as inaccurate as a Nick Gibb statement on schools.
Noone under 40 is going to bother with this, we'll just drink at each other's houses for a bit.
No you won't. What bollocks
You will be offered a free vaccination, which takes 10 minutes and is painless but might make you feel a bit poorly for 2 days (or, do nothing at all), a vaccine which protects you from a terrible disease which can ruin your life even if you never go to hospital (see that remarkable story posted by Mr Nabavi, in a prior thread)
Moreover, this vaccine will be a visa to hassle-free travel, going to gyms and theatres, not infecting your parents, or vulnerable people, why the F would you not take it? For free?! What point are you proving? Ha! I don't believe in SCIENCE! Take that, biology!
You will take it. 90% of people will take it. Maybe more
I'm talking about before we're offered the vaccination & after the pubs open. OK it might not be that relevant for long for under 40s but it will be for under 30s for a while for sure.
Back on topic, the YouGov poll numbers give a seat projection of:
Lab 22 Con 19 PC 14 Abolish 4 LD 1
Abolish and LDs are irrelevant on those numbers but the options of a Lab/PC or Con/PC Government are both viable. It's a huge reverse for Labour and their worst ever Senedd result and it would be the best ever for the Conservatives.
I suppose the Conservatives will be hoping they can yoke PC to Labour and win against them both in 2026 though that will be strongly contingent on the result of the next GE I suspect.
Would Drakeford survive such a reverse? Perhaps his head is the price for PC's support - I don't know.
If PC are to look at formal coalition they will certainly demand the FM post, but will probably abandon it at an early stage.
The LibDems will not win any seats. I am confident in that prediction. I could be wrong but I’m still confident.
Equally, I will be very surprised if Abolish the Assembly do. Since the Assembly has already technically been abolished, they are very much fighting a forgotten war.
And, no, Drakeford wouldn’t survive a really poor result, but he is helped by the paucity of alternatives.
Drakeford might not survive period. For once the Senedd elections will be exciting! I have Conservatives most seats based solely on anecdotal evidence. Maybe I hang around with too many Tories, but their evidence really is a 0/10 Covid response from the Welsh Labour Government and an 11/10 from the UK Conservatives. Fortunately for the Welsh Conservatives, Paul Davies is no more and RT has been locked in a soundproofed room until May 7th.
I would like to read your musings on Cons. most seats.
Particularly given lateral flow tests administered by non-medics are infamously as inaccurate as a Nick Gibb statement on schools.
Noone under 40 is going to bother with this, we'll just drink at each other's houses for a bit.
No you won't. What bollocks
You will be offered a free vaccination, which takes 10 minutes and is painless but might make you feel a bit poorly for 2 days (or, do nothing at all), a vaccine which protects you from a terrible disease which can ruin your life even if you never go to hospital (see that remarkable story posted by Mr Nabavi, in a prior thread)
Moreover, this vaccine will be a visa to hassle-free travel, going to gyms and theatres, not infecting your parents, or vulnerable people, why the F would you not take it? For free?! What point are you proving? Ha! I don't believe in SCIENCE! Take that, biology!
You will take it. 90% of people will take it. Maybe more
There is a difference between having had a vaccine and putting up with the bollocks of a vax passport internal to the country. I have been vaccinated I refuse point blank to do anything with the vax passport you propose and just like its mandatory to wear masks in shops a lot ignore it for custom...so will pubs. Anyone proposing this can go fuck themselves with a large monolith
Just have the damn jab and stop endangering your fellow Britons
"I refuse to black out my house. The chances of my being bombed by the Luftwaffe are 1 in 2000. I am young and free!"
*bomb targeting undimmed light wipes out house, and 300 neighbours*
Particularly given lateral flow tests administered by non-medics are infamously as inaccurate as a Nick Gibb statement on schools.
Noone under 40 is going to bother with this, we'll just drink at each other's houses for a bit.
No you won't. What bollocks
You will be offered a free vaccination, which takes 10 minutes and is painless but might make you feel a bit poorly for 2 days (or, do nothing at all), a vaccine which protects you from a terrible disease which can ruin your life even if you never go to hospital (see that remarkable story posted by Mr Nabavi, in a prior thread)
Moreover, this vaccine will be a visa to hassle-free travel, going to gyms and theatres, not infecting your parents, or vulnerable people, why the F would you not take it? For free?! What point are you proving? Ha! I don't believe in SCIENCE! Take that, biology!
You will take it. 90% of people will take it. Maybe more
I think he means if the government delays our vaccines as they currently say they will. I find the idea ridiculous that they could even consider introducing vaccine passports while simultaneously fucking off all under 50s by not giving us vaccines.
Happily, it's not going to be an issue. There's a reason Novavax have fucked the EU off today.
Particularly given lateral flow tests administered by non-medics are infamously as inaccurate as a Nick Gibb statement on schools.
Noone under 40 is going to bother with this, we'll just drink at each other's houses for a bit.
No you won't. What bollocks
You will be offered a free vaccination, which takes 10 minutes and is painless but might make you feel a bit poorly for 2 days (or, do nothing at all), a vaccine which protects you from a terrible disease which can ruin your life even if you never go to hospital (see that remarkable story posted by Mr Nabavi, in a prior thread)
Moreover, this vaccine will be a visa to hassle-free travel, going to gyms and theatres, not infecting your parents, or vulnerable people, why the F would you not take it? For free?! What point are you proving? Ha! I don't believe in SCIENCE! Take that, biology!
You will take it. 90% of people will take it. Maybe more
I'm talking about before we're offered the vaccination. OK it might not be that relevant for long for under 40s but it will be for under 30s for a while for sure.
Even if they were it is surely irrelevant. Being vaccinated doesnt matter, surely it is being vaccinated plus 3 weeks. We are not doing any first jabs in April, so applies to everyone who hasnt had the jab in a weeks time, i.e. all under 50s without health conditions.
The very people who could have been going to the pub for the last year but havent to protect the now vaccinated.
Particularly given lateral flow tests administered by non-medics are infamously as inaccurate as a Nick Gibb statement on schools.
Noone under 40 is going to bother with this, we'll just drink at each other's houses for a bit.
No you won't. What bollocks
You will be offered a free vaccination, which takes 10 minutes and is painless but might make you feel a bit poorly for 2 days (or, do nothing at all), a vaccine which protects you from a terrible disease which can ruin your life even if you never go to hospital (see that remarkable story posted by Mr Nabavi, in a prior thread)
Moreover, this vaccine will be a visa to hassle-free travel, going to gyms and theatres, not infecting your parents, or vulnerable people, why the F would you not take it? For free?! What point are you proving? Ha! I don't believe in SCIENCE! Take that, biology!
You will take it. 90% of people will take it. Maybe more
There is a difference between having had a vaccine and putting up with the bollocks of a vax passport internal to the country. I have been vaccinated I refuse point blank to do anything with the vax passport you propose and just like its mandatory to wear masks in shops a lot ignore it for custom...so will pubs. Anyone proposing this can go fuck themselves with a large monolith
Just have the damn jab and stop endangering your fellow Britons
"I refuse to black out my house. The chances of my being bombed by the Luftwaffe are 1 in 2000. I am young and free!"
*bomb targeting undimmed light wipes out house, and 300 neighbours*
"Oh. Sorry."
Which part of I have been vaccinated did you fail to understand fuckwit?
Particularly given lateral flow tests administered by non-medics are infamously as inaccurate as a Nick Gibb statement on schools.
Noone under 40 is going to bother with this, we'll just drink at each other's houses for a bit.
Two possibilities:
1. If the Government tries to force businesses to use these tests, most of the victimized customers won't bother to patronize the businesses. As you say, boozing will take place round each others' houses or in parks 2. If it's made voluntary then the businesses will disregard it. They can't afford to turn away custom, and besides they've already been queuing up to bewail the impracticality of the measure
Doubtless the Government would enjoy penalising the young like this because it will win the approval of their elderly client base, but the main argument against it happening is that it simply won't work and will end up costing the Treasury real money. Hospitality businesses will either keep closed and attempt to survive on furlough until the twenty- and thirtysomethings have been jabbed, or try to reopen but fail for lack of custom.
Particularly given lateral flow tests administered by non-medics are infamously as inaccurate as a Nick Gibb statement on schools.
Noone under 40 is going to bother with this, we'll just drink at each other's houses for a bit.
Two possibilities:
1. If the Government tries to force businesses to use these tests, most of the victimized customers won't bother to patronize the businesses. As you say, boozing will take place round each others' houses or in parks 2. If it's made voluntary then the businesses will disregard it. They can't afford to turn away custom, and besides they've already been queuing up to bewail the impracticality of the measure
Doubtless the Government would enjoy penalising the young like this because it will win the approval of their elderly client base, but the main argument against it happening is that it simply won't work and will end up costing the Treasury real money. Hospitality businesses will either keep closed and attempt to survive on furlough until the twenty- and thirtysomethings have been jabbed, or try to reopen but fail for lack of custom.
Precisely a business that demands vax passports is telling me they don't want my business and they won't get it ever again
Particularly given lateral flow tests administered by non-medics are infamously as inaccurate as a Nick Gibb statement on schools.
Noone under 40 is going to bother with this, we'll just drink at each other's houses for a bit.
No you won't. What bollocks
You will be offered a free vaccination, which takes 10 minutes and is painless but might make you feel a bit poorly for 2 days (or, do nothing at all), a vaccine which protects you from a terrible disease which can ruin your life even if you never go to hospital (see that remarkable story posted by Mr Nabavi, in a prior thread)
Moreover, this vaccine will be a visa to hassle-free travel, going to gyms and theatres, not infecting your parents, or vulnerable people, why the F would you not take it? For free?! What point are you proving? Ha! I don't believe in SCIENCE! Take that, biology!
You will take it. 90% of people will take it. Maybe more
Yes, but the point is that they seem to be proposing bringing these rules in before everyone has been offered a vaccine.
Which is a horse of a very different colour.
It would mean, for example, that I wouldn’t be able to go to a pub before in all probability July. Well, fuck that if they’re open for everyone else.
It will be a lot quicker than that, I reckon. The West is about to be swamped with jabs. Anyone that refuses can go fuck themselves. You were offered, for free, several billion people in poorer countries envy you terribly
Huh, coincidentally given the discussion about jobs, I just got an approach. Broadly speaking (for discretion), head of sub-department at a good Russell Group university. It's always nice to be asked. I just wish they would actually indicate a salary rather than beat about the bush. PBers who are headhunted regularly: should I just think of a number, double it, and see if they bite?
--AS
The trick is to ask for double and a lot of unlikely benefits, that you apparently have right now.
The standard stuff, free medical insurance, 10% of salary as car allowance, free creche, then ramp it up, 10% pension contribution, 60 days holiday a year, and if you don't take them all you get paid for the days you don't take off, etc.
Haha. The university pension DB scheme currently requires 21.1% employer contributions (rising to 23.7% in October), so it's pretty difficult to top that. I very much like the idea of 60 days holiday a year though. And perhaps set up a Southern Campus in Spain or Tahiti for regular sabbaticals.
--AS
Money always matters, and perhaps the most useful bit is a relocation package as Academic salaries are on a recognised scale, with not a lot of flexibility, a bit like medical salaries.
Mostly though I would negotiate on areas within the department, so as to be able to bring in or promote some interested junior academics, and as to what research and teaching aims were. I get headhunted fairly regularly, but have never signed on as I like my current job and colleagues. It would be hard to better them.
The other thing is to look at the University SMT, some are odd indeed. Leicester University is involved in a significant battle in the School of Business, with some curious redundancies. The student body just had a VONC in the Vice Chancellor as a result. I can imagine that department is rather distracted as a result.
Back on topic, the YouGov poll numbers give a seat projection of:
Lab 22 Con 19 PC 14 Abolish 4 LD 1
Abolish and LDs are irrelevant on those numbers but the options of a Lab/PC or Con/PC Government are both viable. It's a huge reverse for Labour and their worst ever Senedd result and it would be the best ever for the Conservatives.
I suppose the Conservatives will be hoping they can yoke PC to Labour and win against them both in 2026 though that will be strongly contingent on the result of the next GE I suspect.
Would Drakeford survive such a reverse? Perhaps his head is the price for PC's support - I don't know.
If PC are to look at formal coalition they will certainly demand the FM post, but will probably abandon it at an early stage.
The LibDems will not win any seats. I am confident in that prediction. I could be wrong but I’m still confident.
Equally, I will be very surprised if Abolish the Assembly do. Since the Assembly has already technically been abolished, they are very much fighting a forgotten war.
And, no, Drakeford wouldn’t survive a really poor result, but he is helped by the paucity of alternatives.
Drakeford might not survive period. For once the Senedd elections will be exciting! I have Conservatives most seats based solely on anecdotal evidence. Maybe I hang around with too many Tories, but their evidence really is a 0/10 Covid response from the Welsh Labour Government and an 11/10 from the UK Conservatives. Fortunately for the Welsh Conservatives, Paul Davies is no more and RT has been locked in a soundproofed room until May 7th.
I would like to read your musings on Cons. most seats.
In summary, the issue for Labour is that the Tories are now the undisputed second party in Wales, and by rallying opposition behind them they have eroded Labour’s strength in all bar about a dozen seats to the stage where they can’t be considered safe. They are also almost everywhere either first or second in the seats, including seats where Plaid and the Liberal Democrats used to be very competitive.
Now that’s at Westminster and the Sennedd is of course a bit different. But, at the same time, because they are so clearly in second place and all other parties other than Labour and Plaid are clearly a busted flush (it will be a surprise if anyone other than those three win any seats) anyone who wants to vote against Labour has to look at them as the realistic option for a protest vote.
Finally, as Plaid are likely to be a significant third force the bar for most seats is quite low. 23 would probably be enough and there are pathways for the Tories to achieve that.
6-1 with most bookies. Should be 3-1. Labour are 11/10 on. Should be no better than even.
Particularly given lateral flow tests administered by non-medics are infamously as inaccurate as a Nick Gibb statement on schools.
Noone under 40 is going to bother with this, we'll just drink at each other's houses for a bit.
No you won't. What bollocks
You will be offered a free vaccination, which takes 10 minutes and is painless but might make you feel a bit poorly for 2 days (or, do nothing at all), a vaccine which protects you from a terrible disease which can ruin your life even if you never go to hospital (see that remarkable story posted by Mr Nabavi, in a prior thread)
Moreover, this vaccine will be a visa to hassle-free travel, going to gyms and theatres, not infecting your parents, or vulnerable people, why the F would you not take it? For free?! What point are you proving? Ha! I don't believe in SCIENCE! Take that, biology!
You will take it. 90% of people will take it. Maybe more
There is a difference between having had a vaccine and putting up with the bollocks of a vax passport internal to the country. I have been vaccinated I refuse point blank to do anything with the vax passport you propose and just like its mandatory to wear masks in shops a lot ignore it for custom...so will pubs. Anyone proposing this can go fuck themselves with a large monolith
Just have the damn jab and stop endangering your fellow Britons
"I refuse to black out my house. The chances of my being bombed by the Luftwaffe are 1 in 2000. I am young and free!"
*bomb targeting undimmed light wipes out house, and 300 neighbours*
"Oh. Sorry."
Which part of I have been vaccinated did you fail to understand fuckwit?
Fair enough, lol. I am a fuckwit if you've been vaccinated
Particularly given lateral flow tests administered by non-medics are infamously as inaccurate as a Nick Gibb statement on schools.
Noone under 40 is going to bother with this, we'll just drink at each other's houses for a bit.
No you won't. What bollocks
You will be offered a free vaccination, which takes 10 minutes and is painless but might make you feel a bit poorly for 2 days (or, do nothing at all), a vaccine which protects you from a terrible disease which can ruin your life even if you never go to hospital (see that remarkable story posted by Mr Nabavi, in a prior thread)
Moreover, this vaccine will be a visa to hassle-free travel, going to gyms and theatres, not infecting your parents, or vulnerable people, why the F would you not take it? For free?! What point are you proving? Ha! I don't believe in SCIENCE! Take that, biology!
You will take it. 90% of people will take it. Maybe more
There is a difference between having had a vaccine and putting up with the bollocks of a vax passport internal to the country. I have been vaccinated I refuse point blank to do anything with the vax passport you propose and just like its mandatory to wear masks in shops a lot ignore it for custom...so will pubs. Anyone proposing this can go fuck themselves with a large monolith
Just have the damn jab and stop endangering your fellow Britons
"I refuse to black out my house. The chances of my being bombed by the Luftwaffe are 1 in 2000. I am young and free!"
*bomb targeting undimmed light wipes out house, and 300 neighbours*
"Oh. Sorry."
Which part of I have been vaccinated did you fail to understand fuckwit?
Fair enough, lol. I am a fuckwit if you've been vaccinated
Apologies
I just wanted an argument!
I am not anti vaccine just against the idea we have to show papers to access everyday life. I won't support it and I refuse to go along with it
There is no sense in us turning on each other, just as there is no sense in thinking that others are doing much better," European Parliament President David-Maria Sassoli said at a press conference.
"The more unity we show, the more trust we will inspire," he added. "Salvation lies in working together."
WilliamGlenn got in before me, but is that really genuinely what he said? Can they really not see that dogmatic adherence to pseudo-religious pablum about salvation in unity actively prevents progress, by preventing honest self criticism?
Being honest in our mistakes, and accepting that we are not united at all times on all things, actually helps build real and lasting unity - surely it was the shared mistakes, the bloody mistakes, of the European past that helped forge the current era's unity in the first place?
You don't build genuine unity by insisting upon it at all times. Difficult times and difficult measures will provoke disagreement, should provoke disagreement, yes, even after a decision is made in fact. That doesn't undermine the core ideal of unity, it's just acknowledging reality.
Particularly given lateral flow tests administered by non-medics are infamously as inaccurate as a Nick Gibb statement on schools.
Noone under 40 is going to bother with this, we'll just drink at each other's houses for a bit.
No you won't. What bollocks
You will be offered a free vaccination, which takes 10 minutes and is painless but might make you feel a bit poorly for 2 days (or, do nothing at all), a vaccine which protects you from a terrible disease which can ruin your life even if you never go to hospital (see that remarkable story posted by Mr Nabavi, in a prior thread)
Moreover, this vaccine will be a visa to hassle-free travel, going to gyms and theatres, not infecting your parents, or vulnerable people, why the F would you not take it? For free?! What point are you proving? Ha! I don't believe in SCIENCE! Take that, biology!
You will take it. 90% of people will take it. Maybe more
Yes, but the point is that they seem to be proposing bringing these rules in before everyone has been offered a vaccine.
Which is a horse of a very different colour.
It would mean, for example, that I wouldn’t be able to go to a pub before in all probability July. Well, fuck that if they’re open for everyone else.
It will be a lot quicker than that, I reckon. The West is about to be swamped with jabs. Anyone that refuses can go fuck themselves. You were offered, for free, several billion people in poorer countries envy you terribly
But I haven’t been. And at the age of 38 I have some time to wait before I am.
Particularly given lateral flow tests administered by non-medics are infamously as inaccurate as a Nick Gibb statement on schools.
Noone under 40 is going to bother with this, we'll just drink at each other's houses for a bit.
No you won't. What bollocks
You will be offered a free vaccination, which takes 10 minutes and is painless but might make you feel a bit poorly for 2 days (or, do nothing at all), a vaccine which protects you from a terrible disease which can ruin your life even if you never go to hospital (see that remarkable story posted by Mr Nabavi, in a prior thread)
Moreover, this vaccine will be a visa to hassle-free travel, going to gyms and theatres, not infecting your parents, or vulnerable people, why the F would you not take it? For free?! What point are you proving? Ha! I don't believe in SCIENCE! Take that, biology!
You will take it. 90% of people will take it. Maybe more
I think he means if the government delays our vaccines as they currently say they will. I find the idea ridiculous that they could even consider introducing vaccine passports while simultaneously fucking off all under 50s by not giving us vaccines.
Happily, it's not going to be an issue. There's a reason Novavax have fucked the EU off today.
Any more news on when Novavax are going to be approved for use ?
MY issue with this isn't the notion of flying the flag but the notion of a Government Minister telling people flags should be flown, in what order and when.
Quite apart from the notion Government Ministers should have better things to do than empty politically-motivated gestures, it smacks of centralising Government diktat and the Conservatives (as they always like to) telling people what to do.
It should be up to local councils and local people what flags are flown and when from public buildings - not a Government Minister.
Particularly given lateral flow tests administered by non-medics are infamously as inaccurate as a Nick Gibb statement on schools.
Noone under 40 is going to bother with this, we'll just drink at each other's houses for a bit.
No you won't. What bollocks
You will be offered a free vaccination, which takes 10 minutes and is painless but might make you feel a bit poorly for 2 days (or, do nothing at all), a vaccine which protects you from a terrible disease which can ruin your life even if you never go to hospital (see that remarkable story posted by Mr Nabavi, in a prior thread)
Moreover, this vaccine will be a visa to hassle-free travel, going to gyms and theatres, not infecting your parents, or vulnerable people, why the F would you not take it? For free?! What point are you proving? Ha! I don't believe in SCIENCE! Take that, biology!
You will take it. 90% of people will take it. Maybe more
I think he means if the government delays our vaccines as they currently say they will. I find the idea ridiculous that they could even consider introducing vaccine passports while simultaneously fucking off all under 50s by not giving us vaccines.
Happily, it's not going to be an issue. There's a reason Novavax have fucked the EU off today.
Any more news on when Novavax are going to be approved for use ?
Here quite soon I think, in the eu doesn't really matter as Novavax are not signing the contract
Probably a bad time for the Guardian to run this story which approves of Union-Jack-burning by schoolkids
"In late September 2020 children at Pimlico academy in central London took down a union jack that had been erected outside their school. The flag was then taken to Churchill Gardens, a large housing estate nearby, where more than half of the schools’ pupils reportedly reside, and set alight to resounding cheers."
"Another source at the school told the Guardian the history curriculum had been rewritten chronologically which resulted in references to BAME communities being removed, which meant the focus was on white British kings and queen"
How dare they focus on WHITE BRITISH Kings and Queens. And not find any Muslim Queens or Genderqueer African Kings
Final paragraphs:
"So for now the union jack remains. The burned flag was replaced with another. Until very recently, school staff would unfurl the flag and put it up outside the school every morning. Every evening, it was carefully taken down and stored.
"Since the Guardian contacted the school this ritual has come to an end and it is now in place permanently."
Particularly given lateral flow tests administered by non-medics are infamously as inaccurate as a Nick Gibb statement on schools.
Noone under 40 is going to bother with this, we'll just drink at each other's houses for a bit.
No you won't. What bollocks
You will be offered a free vaccination, which takes 10 minutes and is painless but might make you feel a bit poorly for 2 days (or, do nothing at all), a vaccine which protects you from a terrible disease which can ruin your life even if you never go to hospital (see that remarkable story posted by Mr Nabavi, in a prior thread)
Moreover, this vaccine will be a visa to hassle-free travel, going to gyms and theatres, not infecting your parents, or vulnerable people, why the F would you not take it? For free?! What point are you proving? Ha! I don't believe in SCIENCE! Take that, biology!
You will take it. 90% of people will take it. Maybe more
I think he means if the government delays our vaccines as they currently say they will. I find the idea ridiculous that they could even consider introducing vaccine passports while simultaneously fucking off all under 50s by not giving us vaccines.
Happily, it's not going to be an issue. There's a reason Novavax have fucked the EU off today.
Any more news on when Novavax are going to be approved for use ?
No news but it won't be long now I think, maybe a couple of weeks.
Probably a bad time for the Guardian to run this story which approves of Union-Jack-burning by schoolkids
"In late September 2020 children at Pimlico academy in central London took down a union jack that had been erected outside their school. The flag was then taken to Churchill Gardens, a large housing estate nearby, where more than half of the schools’ pupils reportedly reside, and set alight to resounding cheers."
"Another source at the school told the Guardian the history curriculum had been rewritten chronologically which resulted in references to BAME communities being removed, which meant the focus was on white British kings and queen"
How dare they focus on WHITE BRITISH Kings and Queens. And not find any Muslim Queens or Genderqueer African Kings
Final paragraphs:
"So for now the union jack remains. The burned flag was replaced with another. Until very recently, school staff would unfurl the flag and put it up outside the school every morning. Every evening, it was carefully taken down and stored.
"Since the Guardian contacted the school this ritual has come to an end and it is now in place permanently."
Well done, the Guardian. Well done!
Whatever the rights and wrongs of race and gender, the key issue with Gove’s curriculum was that it was not only so large it could have taken up the entire timetable for the whole school, but it was mind-bendingly dry and dull.
Particularly given lateral flow tests administered by non-medics are infamously as inaccurate as a Nick Gibb statement on schools.
Noone under 40 is going to bother with this, we'll just drink at each other's houses for a bit.
No you won't. What bollocks
You will be offered a free vaccination, which takes 10 minutes and is painless but might make you feel a bit poorly for 2 days (or, do nothing at all), a vaccine which protects you from a terrible disease which can ruin your life even if you never go to hospital (see that remarkable story posted by Mr Nabavi, in a prior thread)
Moreover, this vaccine will be a visa to hassle-free travel, going to gyms and theatres, not infecting your parents, or vulnerable people, why the F would you not take it? For free?! What point are you proving? Ha! I don't believe in SCIENCE! Take that, biology!
You will take it. 90% of people will take it. Maybe more
There is a difference between having had a vaccine and putting up with the bollocks of a vax passport internal to the country. I have been vaccinated I refuse point blank to do anything with the vax passport you propose and just like its mandatory to wear masks in shops a lot ignore it for custom...so will pubs. Anyone proposing this can go fuck themselves with a large monolith
Just have the damn jab and stop endangering your fellow Britons
"I refuse to black out my house. The chances of my being bombed by the Luftwaffe are 1 in 2000. I am young and free!"
*bomb targeting undimmed light wipes out house, and 300 neighbours*
"Oh. Sorry."
Which part of I have been vaccinated did you fail to understand fuckwit?
Fair enough, lol. I am a fuckwit if you've been vaccinated
Apologies
I just wanted an argument!
I am not anti vaccine just against the idea we have to show papers to access everyday life. I won't support it and I refuse to go along with it
Understood. I misconstrued you, hence my apology. In context, I have been encountering mad anti-vax sentiment all day, online, it seems to be especially prevalent in the young. I don't know why. So I jumped to conclusions
It is, I believe, total selfishness, during a plague. The same as people who refuse to wear masks. Do you not fucking get it, you wear a mask to protect ME, I wear a mask to protect YOU?
There is a time and place for libertarian beliefs. I generally ascribe to them. But a pandemic is probably the absolute WORST time to espouse this doctrine. It means that many people will die
Particularly given lateral flow tests administered by non-medics are infamously as inaccurate as a Nick Gibb statement on schools.
Noone under 40 is going to bother with this, we'll just drink at each other's houses for a bit.
No you won't. What bollocks
You will be offered a free vaccination, which takes 10 minutes and is painless but might make you feel a bit poorly for 2 days (or, do nothing at all), a vaccine which protects you from a terrible disease which can ruin your life even if you never go to hospital (see that remarkable story posted by Mr Nabavi, in a prior thread)
Moreover, this vaccine will be a visa to hassle-free travel, going to gyms and theatres, not infecting your parents, or vulnerable people, why the F would you not take it? For free?! What point are you proving? Ha! I don't believe in SCIENCE! Take that, biology!
You will take it. 90% of people will take it. Maybe more
Yes, but the point is that they seem to be proposing bringing these rules in before everyone has been offered a vaccine.
Which is a horse of a very different colour.
It would mean, for example, that I wouldn’t be able to go to a pub before in all probability July. Well, fuck that if they’re open for everyone else.
It will be a lot quicker than that, I reckon. The West is about to be swamped with jabs. Anyone that refuses can go fuck themselves. You were offered, for free, several billion people in poorer countries envy you terribly
But I haven’t been. And at the age of 38 I have some time to wait before I am.
If we're short of supply for any reason then if we do very few first jabs that creates a "hole" from the end of June where everyone under 35 could be done to fit in with the end of July timescale. Now I hope it's going to be better than that but late 30s my best estimate would be early June right now.
This is where being anti-science and anti a vaccine developed in association with the world's number one university gets you.
World's number one university?
It’s a number 2 university, actually.
Oxford says otherwise based on the intermediate findings ;-)
Any institution that could give a PhD to notorious forger and liar Naomi Wolf is clearly a bit shit.
Oxford doesn't give anyone a PhD, we leave that to the tabs
DPhil then, Mr Finicky.
What I don’t understand is why they haven’t withdrawn it yet. Bad enough they passed it, but after it had been publicly exposed as fraudulent any self-respecting university would have acted at once.
Particularly given lateral flow tests administered by non-medics are infamously as inaccurate as a Nick Gibb statement on schools.
Noone under 40 is going to bother with this, we'll just drink at each other's houses for a bit.
No you won't. What bollocks
You will be offered a free vaccination, which takes 10 minutes and is painless but might make you feel a bit poorly for 2 days (or, do nothing at all), a vaccine which protects you from a terrible disease which can ruin your life even if you never go to hospital (see that remarkable story posted by Mr Nabavi, in a prior thread)
Moreover, this vaccine will be a visa to hassle-free travel, going to gyms and theatres, not infecting your parents, or vulnerable people, why the F would you not take it? For free?! What point are you proving? Ha! I don't believe in SCIENCE! Take that, biology!
You will take it. 90% of people will take it. Maybe more
There is a difference between having had a vaccine and putting up with the bollocks of a vax passport internal to the country. I have been vaccinated I refuse point blank to do anything with the vax passport you propose and just like its mandatory to wear masks in shops a lot ignore it for custom...so will pubs. Anyone proposing this can go fuck themselves with a large monolith
Just have the damn jab and stop endangering your fellow Britons
"I refuse to black out my house. The chances of my being bombed by the Luftwaffe are 1 in 2000. I am young and free!"
*bomb targeting undimmed light wipes out house, and 300 neighbours*
"Oh. Sorry."
Which part of I have been vaccinated did you fail to understand fuckwit?
Fair enough, lol. I am a fuckwit if you've been vaccinated
Apologies
I just wanted an argument!
I am not anti vaccine just against the idea we have to show papers to access everyday life. I won't support it and I refuse to go along with it
Understood. I misconstrued you, hence my apology. In context, I have been encountering mad anti-vax sentiment all day, online, it seems to be especially prevalent in the young. I don't know why. So I jumped to conclusions
It is, I believe, total selfishness, during a plague. The same as people who refuse to wear masks. Do you not fucking get it, you wear a mask to protect ME, I wear a mask to protect YOU?
There is a time and place for libertarian beliefs. I generally ascribe to them. But a pandemic is probably the absolute WORST time to espouse this doctrine. It means that many people will die
Vax passports though do nothing they are merely security theatre.
If you are vaccinated in a bar with unvaccinated people you are unlikely to get it. If you do get it you are not likely to notice it. The only ones really at risk are the unvaccinated
Back on topic, the YouGov poll numbers give a seat projection of:
Lab 22 Con 19 PC 14 Abolish 4 LD 1
Abolish and LDs are irrelevant on those numbers but the options of a Lab/PC or Con/PC Government are both viable. It's a huge reverse for Labour and their worst ever Senedd result and it would be the best ever for the Conservatives.
I suppose the Conservatives will be hoping they can yoke PC to Labour and win against them both in 2026 though that will be strongly contingent on the result of the next GE I suspect.
Would Drakeford survive such a reverse? Perhaps his head is the price for PC's support - I don't know.
If PC are to look at formal coalition they will certainly demand the FM post, but will probably abandon it at an early stage.
The LibDems will not win any seats. I am confident in that prediction. I could be wrong but I’m still confident.
Equally, I will be very surprised if Abolish the Assembly do. Since the Assembly has already technically been abolished, they are very much fighting a forgotten war.
And, no, Drakeford wouldn’t survive a really poor result, but he is helped by the paucity of alternatives.
Drakeford might not survive period. For once the Senedd elections will be exciting! I have Conservatives most seats based solely on anecdotal evidence. Maybe I hang around with too many Tories, but their evidence really is a 0/10 Covid response from the Welsh Labour Government and an 11/10 from the UK Conservatives. Fortunately for the Welsh Conservatives, Paul Davies is no more and RT has been locked in a soundproofed room until May 7th.
I would like to read your musings on Cons. most seats.
In summary, the issue for Labour is that the Tories are now the undisputed second party in Wales, and by rallying opposition behind them they have eroded Labour’s strength in all bar about a dozen seats to the stage where they can’t be considered safe. They are also almost everywhere either first or second in the seats, including seats where Plaid and the Liberal Democrats used to be very competitive.
Now that’s at Westminster and the Sennedd is of course a bit different. But, at the same time, because they are so clearly in second place and all other parties other than Labour and Plaid are clearly a busted flush (it will be a surprise if anyone other than those three win any seats) anyone who wants to vote against Labour has to look at them as the realistic option for a protest vote.
Finally, as Plaid are likely to be a significant third force the bar for most seats is quite low. 23 would probably be enough and there are pathways for the Tories to achieve that.
6-1 with most bookies. Should be 3-1. Labour are 11/10 on. Should be no better than even.
DYOR.
Though Drakefords lead in the leadership ratings does look formidable. What would Starmer give for these sort of numbers?:
Particularly given lateral flow tests administered by non-medics are infamously as inaccurate as a Nick Gibb statement on schools.
Noone under 40 is going to bother with this, we'll just drink at each other's houses for a bit.
No you won't. What bollocks
You will be offered a free vaccination, which takes 10 minutes and is painless but might make you feel a bit poorly for 2 days (or, do nothing at all), a vaccine which protects you from a terrible disease which can ruin your life even if you never go to hospital (see that remarkable story posted by Mr Nabavi, in a prior thread)
Moreover, this vaccine will be a visa to hassle-free travel, going to gyms and theatres, not infecting your parents, or vulnerable people, why the F would you not take it? For free?! What point are you proving? Ha! I don't believe in SCIENCE! Take that, biology!
You will take it. 90% of people will take it. Maybe more
I think he means if the government delays our vaccines as they currently say they will. I find the idea ridiculous that they could even consider introducing vaccine passports while simultaneously fucking off all under 50s by not giving us vaccines.
Happily, it's not going to be an issue. There's a reason Novavax have fucked the EU off today.
Any more news on when Novavax are going to be approved for use ?
No news but it won't be long now I think, maybe a couple of weeks.
Will this release an immediate fresh flood of supply though, or is the cavalry only going to come charging over the hill in time for the Autumn booster campaign?
Particularly given lateral flow tests administered by non-medics are infamously as inaccurate as a Nick Gibb statement on schools.
Noone under 40 is going to bother with this, we'll just drink at each other's houses for a bit.
No you won't. What bollocks
You will be offered a free vaccination, which takes 10 minutes and is painless but might make you feel a bit poorly for 2 days (or, do nothing at all), a vaccine which protects you from a terrible disease which can ruin your life even if you never go to hospital (see that remarkable story posted by Mr Nabavi, in a prior thread)
Moreover, this vaccine will be a visa to hassle-free travel, going to gyms and theatres, not infecting your parents, or vulnerable people, why the F would you not take it? For free?! What point are you proving? Ha! I don't believe in SCIENCE! Take that, biology!
You will take it. 90% of people will take it. Maybe more
I think he means if the government delays our vaccines as they currently say they will. I find the idea ridiculous that they could even consider introducing vaccine passports while simultaneously fucking off all under 50s by not giving us vaccines.
Happily, it's not going to be an issue. There's a reason Novavax have fucked the EU off today.
Any more news on when Novavax are going to be approved for use ?
No news but it won't be long now I think, maybe a couple of weeks.
Will this release an immediate fresh flood of supply though, or is the cavalry only going to come charging over the hill in time for the Autumn booster campaign?
Particularly given lateral flow tests administered by non-medics are infamously as inaccurate as a Nick Gibb statement on schools.
Noone under 40 is going to bother with this, we'll just drink at each other's houses for a bit.
No you won't. What bollocks
You will be offered a free vaccination, which takes 10 minutes and is painless but might make you feel a bit poorly for 2 days (or, do nothing at all), a vaccine which protects you from a terrible disease which can ruin your life even if you never go to hospital (see that remarkable story posted by Mr Nabavi, in a prior thread)
Moreover, this vaccine will be a visa to hassle-free travel, going to gyms and theatres, not infecting your parents, or vulnerable people, why the F would you not take it? For free?! What point are you proving? Ha! I don't believe in SCIENCE! Take that, biology!
You will take it. 90% of people will take it. Maybe more
I think he means if the government delays our vaccines as they currently say they will. I find the idea ridiculous that they could even consider introducing vaccine passports while simultaneously fucking off all under 50s by not giving us vaccines.
Happily, it's not going to be an issue. There's a reason Novavax have fucked the EU off today.
Any more news on when Novavax are going to be approved for use ?
No news but it won't be long now I think, maybe a couple of weeks.
Will this release an immediate fresh flood of supply though, or is the cavalry only going to come charging over the hill in time for the Autumn booster campaign?
The other question is, do you suppose they might move to AZ single shots for the otherwise healthy under 50s, on the basis that this reduces the risk of serious illness from small to vanishingly small and would probably do more to cut infections than waiting for the full dose regime?
Particularly given lateral flow tests administered by non-medics are infamously as inaccurate as a Nick Gibb statement on schools.
Noone under 40 is going to bother with this, we'll just drink at each other's houses for a bit.
No you won't. What bollocks
You will be offered a free vaccination, which takes 10 minutes and is painless but might make you feel a bit poorly for 2 days (or, do nothing at all), a vaccine which protects you from a terrible disease which can ruin your life even if you never go to hospital (see that remarkable story posted by Mr Nabavi, in a prior thread)
Moreover, this vaccine will be a visa to hassle-free travel, going to gyms and theatres, not infecting your parents, or vulnerable people, why the F would you not take it? For free?! What point are you proving? Ha! I don't believe in SCIENCE! Take that, biology!
You will take it. 90% of people will take it. Maybe more
There is a difference between having had a vaccine and putting up with the bollocks of a vax passport internal to the country. I have been vaccinated I refuse point blank to do anything with the vax passport you propose and just like its mandatory to wear masks in shops a lot ignore it for custom...so will pubs. Anyone proposing this can go fuck themselves with a large monolith
Just have the damn jab and stop endangering your fellow Britons
"I refuse to black out my house. The chances of my being bombed by the Luftwaffe are 1 in 2000. I am young and free!"
*bomb targeting undimmed light wipes out house, and 300 neighbours*
"Oh. Sorry."
Which part of I have been vaccinated did you fail to understand fuckwit?
Fair enough, lol. I am a fuckwit if you've been vaccinated
Apologies
I just wanted an argument!
I am not anti vaccine just against the idea we have to show papers to access everyday life. I won't support it and I refuse to go along with it
Understood. I misconstrued you, hence my apology. In context, I have been encountering mad anti-vax sentiment all day, online, it seems to be especially prevalent in the young. I don't know why. So I jumped to conclusions
It is, I believe, total selfishness, during a plague. The same as people who refuse to wear masks. Do you not fucking get it, you wear a mask to protect ME, I wear a mask to protect YOU?
There is a time and place for libertarian beliefs. I generally ascribe to them. But a pandemic is probably the absolute WORST time to espouse this doctrine. It means that many people will die
Vax passports though do nothing they are merely security theatre.
If you are vaccinated in a bar with unvaccinated people you are unlikely to get it. If you do get it you are not likely to notice it. The only ones really at risk are the unvaccinated
They are not "security theatre". They give more nervous people - people older than you, or sicker than you, people with cancer, or diabetes, or cystic fibrosis - permission to go out, to fly, to have a holiday, knowing they will be surrounded by similarly vaccinated people, so the risk is minimal - the least it can be.
Do they not have the right to regain normal life, with this reassurance? They do
Equally, your unvaxxed young friends also have a right to go the pub without being ID'd
I would let the market decide, as I have said before. My guess is that places like theatres will want vax passports, pubs will not. Those pubs that do can advertise the fact, those that don't, the same. Let individuals decide: as long as R0 remains low
Particularly given lateral flow tests administered by non-medics are infamously as inaccurate as a Nick Gibb statement on schools.
Noone under 40 is going to bother with this, we'll just drink at each other's houses for a bit.
No you won't. What bollocks
You will be offered a free vaccination, which takes 10 minutes and is painless but might make you feel a bit poorly for 2 days (or, do nothing at all), a vaccine which protects you from a terrible disease which can ruin your life even if you never go to hospital (see that remarkable story posted by Mr Nabavi, in a prior thread)
Moreover, this vaccine will be a visa to hassle-free travel, going to gyms and theatres, not infecting your parents, or vulnerable people, why the F would you not take it? For free?! What point are you proving? Ha! I don't believe in SCIENCE! Take that, biology!
You will take it. 90% of people will take it. Maybe more
There is a difference between having had a vaccine and putting up with the bollocks of a vax passport internal to the country. I have been vaccinated I refuse point blank to do anything with the vax passport you propose and just like its mandatory to wear masks in shops a lot ignore it for custom...so will pubs. Anyone proposing this can go fuck themselves with a large monolith
Just have the damn jab and stop endangering your fellow Britons
"I refuse to black out my house. The chances of my being bombed by the Luftwaffe are 1 in 2000. I am young and free!"
*bomb targeting undimmed light wipes out house, and 300 neighbours*
"Oh. Sorry."
Which part of I have been vaccinated did you fail to understand fuckwit?
Fair enough, lol. I am a fuckwit if you've been vaccinated
Apologies
I just wanted an argument!
I am not anti vaccine just against the idea we have to show papers to access everyday life. I won't support it and I refuse to go along with it
Understood. I misconstrued you, hence my apology. In context, I have been encountering mad anti-vax sentiment all day, online, it seems to be especially prevalent in the young. I don't know why. So I jumped to conclusions
It is, I believe, total selfishness, during a plague. The same as people who refuse to wear masks. Do you not fucking get it, you wear a mask to protect ME, I wear a mask to protect YOU?
There is a time and place for libertarian beliefs. I generally ascribe to them. But a pandemic is probably the absolute WORST time to espouse this doctrine. It means that many people will die
Vax passports though do nothing they are merely security theatre.
If you are vaccinated in a bar with unvaccinated people you are unlikely to get it. If you do get it you are not likely to notice it. The only ones really at risk are the unvaccinated
They are not "security theatre". They give more nervous people - people older than you, or sicker than you, people with cancer, or diabetes, or cystic fibrosis - permission to go out, to fly, to have a holiday, knowing they will be surrounded by similarly vaccinated people, so the risk is minimal - the least it can be.
Do they not have the right to regain normal life, with this reassurance? They do
Equally, your unvaxxed young friends also have a right to go the pub without being ID'd
I would let the market decide, as I have said before. My guess is that places like theatres will want vax passports, pubs will not. Those pubs that do can advertise the fact, those that don't, the same. Let individuals decide: as long as R0 remains low
They are exactly security theatre they aren't based on science, they are purely there to reassure in your own words.
Sorry you don't get to restrict me just to reassure the nervous. If that was the case we might lock up all males because they make some woman nervous for example.
Back on topic, the YouGov poll numbers give a seat projection of:
Lab 22 Con 19 PC 14 Abolish 4 LD 1
Abolish and LDs are irrelevant on those numbers but the options of a Lab/PC or Con/PC Government are both viable. It's a huge reverse for Labour and their worst ever Senedd result and it would be the best ever for the Conservatives.
I suppose the Conservatives will be hoping they can yoke PC to Labour and win against them both in 2026 though that will be strongly contingent on the result of the next GE I suspect.
Would Drakeford survive such a reverse? Perhaps his head is the price for PC's support - I don't know.
If PC are to look at formal coalition they will certainly demand the FM post, but will probably abandon it at an early stage.
The LibDems will not win any seats. I am confident in that prediction. I could be wrong but I’m still confident.
Equally, I will be very surprised if Abolish the Assembly do. Since the Assembly has already technically been abolished, they are very much fighting a forgotten war.
And, no, Drakeford wouldn’t survive a really poor result, but he is helped by the paucity of alternatives.
Drakeford might not survive period. For once the Senedd elections will be exciting! I have Conservatives most seats based solely on anecdotal evidence. Maybe I hang around with too many Tories, but their evidence really is a 0/10 Covid response from the Welsh Labour Government and an 11/10 from the UK Conservatives. Fortunately for the Welsh Conservatives, Paul Davies is no more and RT has been locked in a soundproofed room until May 7th.
I would like to read your musings on Cons. most seats.
In summary, the issue for Labour is that the Tories are now the undisputed second party in Wales, and by rallying opposition behind them they have eroded Labour’s strength in all bar about a dozen seats to the stage where they can’t be considered safe. They are also almost everywhere either first or second in the seats, including seats where Plaid and the Liberal Democrats used to be very competitive.
Now that’s at Westminster and the Sennedd is of course a bit different. But, at the same time, because they are so clearly in second place and all other parties other than Labour and Plaid are clearly a busted flush (it will be a surprise if anyone other than those three win any seats) anyone who wants to vote against Labour has to look at them as the realistic option for a protest vote.
Finally, as Plaid are likely to be a significant third force the bar for most seats is quite low. 23 would probably be enough and there are pathways for the Tories to achieve that.
6-1 with most bookies. Should be 3-1. Labour are 11/10 on. Should be no better than even.
DYOR.
Thanks, an interesting analysis.
I am sure the hatred of Labour in Cardiff Bay is already built into the Tory, and part of the PC polling figures. There may yet be some more soft Labour voters who are yet to jump ship on the back of Johnson's awesome Covid performance.
Part of me would like to see RT as FM. An opportunity thus for Labour to regenerate, and a guarantee that the Conservatives would never, ever be allowed anywhere near the levers of Welsh Government power ever again.
Particularly given lateral flow tests administered by non-medics are infamously as inaccurate as a Nick Gibb statement on schools.
Noone under 40 is going to bother with this, we'll just drink at each other's houses for a bit.
No you won't. What bollocks
You will be offered a free vaccination, which takes 10 minutes and is painless but might make you feel a bit poorly for 2 days (or, do nothing at all), a vaccine which protects you from a terrible disease which can ruin your life even if you never go to hospital (see that remarkable story posted by Mr Nabavi, in a prior thread)
Moreover, this vaccine will be a visa to hassle-free travel, going to gyms and theatres, not infecting your parents, or vulnerable people, why the F would you not take it? For free?! What point are you proving? Ha! I don't believe in SCIENCE! Take that, biology!
You will take it. 90% of people will take it. Maybe more
I think he means if the government delays our vaccines as they currently say they will. I find the idea ridiculous that they could even consider introducing vaccine passports while simultaneously fucking off all under 50s by not giving us vaccines.
Happily, it's not going to be an issue. There's a reason Novavax have fucked the EU off today.
Any more news on when Novavax are going to be approved for use ?
No news but it won't be long now I think, maybe a couple of weeks.
Will this release an immediate fresh flood of supply though, or is the cavalry only going to come charging over the hill in time for the Autumn booster campaign?
The other question is, do you suppose they might move to AZ single shots for the otherwise healthy under 50s, on the basis that this reduces the risk of serious illness from small to vanishingly small and would probably do more to cut infections than waiting for the full dose regime?
No need to reduce AZ to a single shot.
With a 12 week dose gap and 2-3 million output per week by the time the second dose is need there will be plenty of supply available.
Particularly given lateral flow tests administered by non-medics are infamously as inaccurate as a Nick Gibb statement on schools.
Noone under 40 is going to bother with this, we'll just drink at each other's houses for a bit.
No you won't. What bollocks
You will be offered a free vaccination, which takes 10 minutes and is painless but might make you feel a bit poorly for 2 days (or, do nothing at all), a vaccine which protects you from a terrible disease which can ruin your life even if you never go to hospital (see that remarkable story posted by Mr Nabavi, in a prior thread)
Moreover, this vaccine will be a visa to hassle-free travel, going to gyms and theatres, not infecting your parents, or vulnerable people, why the F would you not take it? For free?! What point are you proving? Ha! I don't believe in SCIENCE! Take that, biology!
You will take it. 90% of people will take it. Maybe more
There is a difference between having had a vaccine and putting up with the bollocks of a vax passport internal to the country. I have been vaccinated I refuse point blank to do anything with the vax passport you propose and just like its mandatory to wear masks in shops a lot ignore it for custom...so will pubs. Anyone proposing this can go fuck themselves with a large monolith
Just have the damn jab and stop endangering your fellow Britons
"I refuse to black out my house. The chances of my being bombed by the Luftwaffe are 1 in 2000. I am young and free!"
*bomb targeting undimmed light wipes out house, and 300 neighbours*
"Oh. Sorry."
Which part of I have been vaccinated did you fail to understand fuckwit?
Fair enough, lol. I am a fuckwit if you've been vaccinated
Apologies
I just wanted an argument!
I am not anti vaccine just against the idea we have to show papers to access everyday life. I won't support it and I refuse to go along with it
Understood. I misconstrued you, hence my apology. In context, I have been encountering mad anti-vax sentiment all day, online, it seems to be especially prevalent in the young. I don't know why. So I jumped to conclusions
It is, I believe, total selfishness, during a plague. The same as people who refuse to wear masks. Do you not fucking get it, you wear a mask to protect ME, I wear a mask to protect YOU?
There is a time and place for libertarian beliefs. I generally ascribe to them. But a pandemic is probably the absolute WORST time to espouse this doctrine. It means that many people will die
Vax passports though do nothing they are merely security theatre.
If you are vaccinated in a bar with unvaccinated people you are unlikely to get it. If you do get it you are not likely to notice it. The only ones really at risk are the unvaccinated
They are not "security theatre". They give more nervous people - people older than you, or sicker than you, people with cancer, or diabetes, or cystic fibrosis - permission to go out, to fly, to have a holiday, knowing they will be surrounded by similarly vaccinated people, so the risk is minimal - the least it can be.
Do they not have the right to regain normal life, with this reassurance? They do
Equally, your unvaxxed young friends also have a right to go the pub without being ID'd
I would let the market decide, as I have said before. My guess is that places like theatres will want vax passports, pubs will not. Those pubs that do can advertise the fact, those that don't, the same. Let individuals decide: as long as R0 remains low
They are exactly security theatre they are based on science, they are purely there to reassure in your own words.
Sorry you don't get to restrict me just to reassure the nervous. If that was the case we might lock up all males because they make some woman nervous for example.
If I am on a plane with entirely vaxxed people I am much less at risk of getting Corona than if I am on a plane where I have no idea of the status of anyone
We are back to arguing and it is pointless.
You might as well get used to vax passports, because they are coming. Businesses will see the huge advantage. Deal with it
Particularly given lateral flow tests administered by non-medics are infamously as inaccurate as a Nick Gibb statement on schools.
Noone under 40 is going to bother with this, we'll just drink at each other's houses for a bit.
No you won't. What bollocks
You will be offered a free vaccination, which takes 10 minutes and is painless but might make you feel a bit poorly for 2 days (or, do nothing at all), a vaccine which protects you from a terrible disease which can ruin your life even if you never go to hospital (see that remarkable story posted by Mr Nabavi, in a prior thread)
Moreover, this vaccine will be a visa to hassle-free travel, going to gyms and theatres, not infecting your parents, or vulnerable people, why the F would you not take it? For free?! What point are you proving? Ha! I don't believe in SCIENCE! Take that, biology!
You will take it. 90% of people will take it. Maybe more
There is a difference between having had a vaccine and putting up with the bollocks of a vax passport internal to the country. I have been vaccinated I refuse point blank to do anything with the vax passport you propose and just like its mandatory to wear masks in shops a lot ignore it for custom...so will pubs. Anyone proposing this can go fuck themselves with a large monolith
Just have the damn jab and stop endangering your fellow Britons
"I refuse to black out my house. The chances of my being bombed by the Luftwaffe are 1 in 2000. I am young and free!"
*bomb targeting undimmed light wipes out house, and 300 neighbours*
"Oh. Sorry."
Which part of I have been vaccinated did you fail to understand fuckwit?
Fair enough, lol. I am a fuckwit if you've been vaccinated
Apologies
I just wanted an argument!
I am not anti vaccine just against the idea we have to show papers to access everyday life. I won't support it and I refuse to go along with it
Understood. I misconstrued you, hence my apology. In context, I have been encountering mad anti-vax sentiment all day, online, it seems to be especially prevalent in the young. I don't know why. So I jumped to conclusions
It is, I believe, total selfishness, during a plague. The same as people who refuse to wear masks. Do you not fucking get it, you wear a mask to protect ME, I wear a mask to protect YOU?
There is a time and place for libertarian beliefs. I generally ascribe to them. But a pandemic is probably the absolute WORST time to espouse this doctrine. It means that many people will die
For some of the idiotic young there has been a cross from ‘clean eating’ nonsense into nothing unnatural enters the body. The don’t want any medicines, not even an aspirin (ironically a natural product...) I have this on good authority from one of my pharmacist tutees. Madness.
Particularly given lateral flow tests administered by non-medics are infamously as inaccurate as a Nick Gibb statement on schools.
Noone under 40 is going to bother with this, we'll just drink at each other's houses for a bit.
No you won't. What bollocks
You will be offered a free vaccination, which takes 10 minutes and is painless but might make you feel a bit poorly for 2 days (or, do nothing at all), a vaccine which protects you from a terrible disease which can ruin your life even if you never go to hospital (see that remarkable story posted by Mr Nabavi, in a prior thread)
Moreover, this vaccine will be a visa to hassle-free travel, going to gyms and theatres, not infecting your parents, or vulnerable people, why the F would you not take it? For free?! What point are you proving? Ha! I don't believe in SCIENCE! Take that, biology!
You will take it. 90% of people will take it. Maybe more
I think he means if the government delays our vaccines as they currently say they will. I find the idea ridiculous that they could even consider introducing vaccine passports while simultaneously fucking off all under 50s by not giving us vaccines.
Happily, it's not going to be an issue. There's a reason Novavax have fucked the EU off today.
Any more news on when Novavax are going to be approved for use ?
No news but it won't be long now I think, maybe a couple of weeks.
Will this release an immediate fresh flood of supply though, or is the cavalry only going to come charging over the hill in time for the Autumn booster campaign?
Both, we have got lots and lots of vaccine doses coming. Our autumn booster will probably be a single dose of AZ adjusted for the various mutations, we'll need around 32m doses to cover what we need. In addition from 2022 onwards we have our CureVac deal which is domestic manufacturing as well.
This whole EU issue is a massive unnecessary distraction, we've got planned domestic supply of around 50m doses per month of which around 10m is already online and another 5m is due soon with a ramp up to 25m per month around June.
In addition we have J&J and Pfizer coming from Belgium which will never put in a vaccine ban.
Particularly given lateral flow tests administered by non-medics are infamously as inaccurate as a Nick Gibb statement on schools.
Noone under 40 is going to bother with this, we'll just drink at each other's houses for a bit.
No you won't. What bollocks
You will be offered a free vaccination, which takes 10 minutes and is painless but might make you feel a bit poorly for 2 days (or, do nothing at all), a vaccine which protects you from a terrible disease which can ruin your life even if you never go to hospital (see that remarkable story posted by Mr Nabavi, in a prior thread)
Moreover, this vaccine will be a visa to hassle-free travel, going to gyms and theatres, not infecting your parents, or vulnerable people, why the F would you not take it? For free?! What point are you proving? Ha! I don't believe in SCIENCE! Take that, biology!
You will take it. 90% of people will take it. Maybe more
I think he means if the government delays our vaccines as they currently say they will. I find the idea ridiculous that they could even consider introducing vaccine passports while simultaneously fucking off all under 50s by not giving us vaccines.
Happily, it's not going to be an issue. There's a reason Novavax have fucked the EU off today.
Any more news on when Novavax are going to be approved for use ?
No news but it won't be long now I think, maybe a couple of weeks.
Will this release an immediate fresh flood of supply though, or is the cavalry only going to come charging over the hill in time for the Autumn booster campaign?
The other question is, do you suppose they might move to AZ single shots for the otherwise healthy under 50s, on the basis that this reduces the risk of serious illness from small to vanishingly small and would probably do more to cut infections than waiting for the full dose regime?
There's no need.
I'll repeat myself as often as necessary. Under 50s are going to get the two new vaccines and the current vaccines will be used for second doses. All of these programmes will be run simultaneously.
Particularly given lateral flow tests administered by non-medics are infamously as inaccurate as a Nick Gibb statement on schools.
Noone under 40 is going to bother with this, we'll just drink at each other's houses for a bit.
No you won't. What bollocks
You will be offered a free vaccination, which takes 10 minutes and is painless but might make you feel a bit poorly for 2 days (or, do nothing at all), a vaccine which protects you from a terrible disease which can ruin your life even if you never go to hospital (see that remarkable story posted by Mr Nabavi, in a prior thread)
Moreover, this vaccine will be a visa to hassle-free travel, going to gyms and theatres, not infecting your parents, or vulnerable people, why the F would you not take it? For free?! What point are you proving? Ha! I don't believe in SCIENCE! Take that, biology!
You will take it. 90% of people will take it. Maybe more
I think he means if the government delays our vaccines as they currently say they will. I find the idea ridiculous that they could even consider introducing vaccine passports while simultaneously fucking off all under 50s by not giving us vaccines.
Happily, it's not going to be an issue. There's a reason Novavax have fucked the EU off today.
Any more news on when Novavax are going to be approved for use ?
No news but it won't be long now I think, maybe a couple of weeks.
Will this release an immediate fresh flood of supply though, or is the cavalry only going to come charging over the hill in time for the Autumn booster campaign?
The other question is, do you suppose they might move to AZ single shots for the otherwise healthy under 50s, on the basis that this reduces the risk of serious illness from small to vanishingly small and would probably do more to cut infections than waiting for the full dose regime?
It would only become necessary to contemplate doing the young out of their second shots if supply of everything other than AZ were to be severely constricted for months to come, and if it was felt that they were needed for children later in the Summer. Hopefully things won't go that badly.
Particularly given lateral flow tests administered by non-medics are infamously as inaccurate as a Nick Gibb statement on schools.
Noone under 40 is going to bother with this, we'll just drink at each other's houses for a bit.
No you won't. What bollocks
You will be offered a free vaccination, which takes 10 minutes and is painless but might make you feel a bit poorly for 2 days (or, do nothing at all), a vaccine which protects you from a terrible disease which can ruin your life even if you never go to hospital (see that remarkable story posted by Mr Nabavi, in a prior thread)
Moreover, this vaccine will be a visa to hassle-free travel, going to gyms and theatres, not infecting your parents, or vulnerable people, why the F would you not take it? For free?! What point are you proving? Ha! I don't believe in SCIENCE! Take that, biology!
You will take it. 90% of people will take it. Maybe more
There is a difference between having had a vaccine and putting up with the bollocks of a vax passport internal to the country. I have been vaccinated I refuse point blank to do anything with the vax passport you propose and just like its mandatory to wear masks in shops a lot ignore it for custom...so will pubs. Anyone proposing this can go fuck themselves with a large monolith
Just have the damn jab and stop endangering your fellow Britons
"I refuse to black out my house. The chances of my being bombed by the Luftwaffe are 1 in 2000. I am young and free!"
*bomb targeting undimmed light wipes out house, and 300 neighbours*
"Oh. Sorry."
Which part of I have been vaccinated did you fail to understand fuckwit?
Fair enough, lol. I am a fuckwit if you've been vaccinated
Apologies
I just wanted an argument!
I am not anti vaccine just against the idea we have to show papers to access everyday life. I won't support it and I refuse to go along with it
Understood. I misconstrued you, hence my apology. In context, I have been encountering mad anti-vax sentiment all day, online, it seems to be especially prevalent in the young. I don't know why. So I jumped to conclusions
It is, I believe, total selfishness, during a plague. The same as people who refuse to wear masks. Do you not fucking get it, you wear a mask to protect ME, I wear a mask to protect YOU?
There is a time and place for libertarian beliefs. I generally ascribe to them. But a pandemic is probably the absolute WORST time to espouse this doctrine. It means that many people will die
Vax passports though do nothing they are merely security theatre.
If you are vaccinated in a bar with unvaccinated people you are unlikely to get it. If you do get it you are not likely to notice it. The only ones really at risk are the unvaccinated
They are not "security theatre". They give more nervous people - people older than you, or sicker than you, people with cancer, or diabetes, or cystic fibrosis - permission to go out, to fly, to have a holiday, knowing they will be surrounded by similarly vaccinated people, so the risk is minimal - the least it can be.
Do they not have the right to regain normal life, with this reassurance? They do
Equally, your unvaxxed young friends also have a right to go the pub without being ID'd
I would let the market decide, as I have said before. My guess is that places like theatres will want vax passports, pubs will not. Those pubs that do can advertise the fact, those that don't, the same. Let individuals decide: as long as R0 remains low
They are exactly security theatre they are based on science, they are purely there to reassure in your own words.
Sorry you don't get to restrict me just to reassure the nervous. If that was the case we might lock up all males because they make some woman nervous for example.
If I am on a plane with entirely vaxxed people I am much less at risk of getting Corona than if I am on a plane where I have no idea of the status of anyone
We are back to arguing and it is pointless.
You might as well get used to vax passports, because they are coming. Businesses will see the huge advantage. Deal with it
For travelling abroad it makes sense because it keeps out new variants. For internal use it makes no sense whatsoever. They can try and bring it in but they should expect most to ignore it and businesses that decide to implement it might find they backed the wrong horse. I know few people that are in your camp. Indeed the only person even on pb that has been in favour as far as I have seen is Nick Palmer. Your view I suspect is a minority
Back on topic, the YouGov poll numbers give a seat projection of:
Lab 22 Con 19 PC 14 Abolish 4 LD 1
Abolish and LDs are irrelevant on those numbers but the options of a Lab/PC or Con/PC Government are both viable. It's a huge reverse for Labour and their worst ever Senedd result and it would be the best ever for the Conservatives.
I suppose the Conservatives will be hoping they can yoke PC to Labour and win against them both in 2026 though that will be strongly contingent on the result of the next GE I suspect.
Would Drakeford survive such a reverse? Perhaps his head is the price for PC's support - I don't know.
If PC are to look at formal coalition they will certainly demand the FM post, but will probably abandon it at an early stage.
The LibDems will not win any seats. I am confident in that prediction. I could be wrong but I’m still confident.
Equally, I will be very surprised if Abolish the Assembly do. Since the Assembly has already technically been abolished, they are very much fighting a forgotten war.
And, no, Drakeford wouldn’t survive a really poor result, but he is helped by the paucity of alternatives.
Drakeford might not survive period. For once the Senedd elections will be exciting! I have Conservatives most seats based solely on anecdotal evidence. Maybe I hang around with too many Tories, but their evidence really is a 0/10 Covid response from the Welsh Labour Government and an 11/10 from the UK Conservatives. Fortunately for the Welsh Conservatives, Paul Davies is no more and RT has been locked in a soundproofed room until May 7th.
I would like to read your musings on Cons. most seats.
In summary, the issue for Labour is that the Tories are now the undisputed second party in Wales, and by rallying opposition behind them they have eroded Labour’s strength in all bar about a dozen seats to the stage where they can’t be considered safe. They are also almost everywhere either first or second in the seats, including seats where Plaid and the Liberal Democrats used to be very competitive.
Now that’s at Westminster and the Sennedd is of course a bit different. But, at the same time, because they are so clearly in second place and all other parties other than Labour and Plaid are clearly a busted flush (it will be a surprise if anyone other than those three win any seats) anyone who wants to vote against Labour has to look at them as the realistic option for a protest vote.
Finally, as Plaid are likely to be a significant third force the bar for most seats is quite low. 23 would probably be enough and there are pathways for the Tories to achieve that.
6-1 with most bookies. Should be 3-1. Labour are 11/10 on. Should be no better than even.
DYOR.
Though Drakefords lead in the leadership ratings does look formidable. What would Starmer give for these sort of numbers?:
Back on topic, the YouGov poll numbers give a seat projection of:
Lab 22 Con 19 PC 14 Abolish 4 LD 1
Abolish and LDs are irrelevant on those numbers but the options of a Lab/PC or Con/PC Government are both viable. It's a huge reverse for Labour and their worst ever Senedd result and it would be the best ever for the Conservatives.
I suppose the Conservatives will be hoping they can yoke PC to Labour and win against them both in 2026 though that will be strongly contingent on the result of the next GE I suspect.
Would Drakeford survive such a reverse? Perhaps his head is the price for PC's support - I don't know.
If PC are to look at formal coalition they will certainly demand the FM post, but will probably abandon it at an early stage.
The LibDems will not win any seats. I am confident in that prediction. I could be wrong but I’m still confident.
Equally, I will be very surprised if Abolish the Assembly do. Since the Assembly has already technically been abolished, they are very much fighting a forgotten war.
And, no, Drakeford wouldn’t survive a really poor result, but he is helped by the paucity of alternatives.
Drakeford might not survive period. For once the Senedd elections will be exciting! I have Conservatives most seats based solely on anecdotal evidence. Maybe I hang around with too many Tories, but their evidence really is a 0/10 Covid response from the Welsh Labour Government and an 11/10 from the UK Conservatives. Fortunately for the Welsh Conservatives, Paul Davies is no more and RT has been locked in a soundproofed room until May 7th.
I would like to read your musings on Cons. most seats.
In summary, the issue for Labour is that the Tories are now the undisputed second party in Wales, and by rallying opposition behind them they have eroded Labour’s strength in all bar about a dozen seats to the stage where they can’t be considered safe. They are also almost everywhere either first or second in the seats, including seats where Plaid and the Liberal Democrats used to be very competitive.
Now that’s at Westminster and the Sennedd is of course a bit different. But, at the same time, because they are so clearly in second place and all other parties other than Labour and Plaid are clearly a busted flush (it will be a surprise if anyone other than those three win any seats) anyone who wants to vote against Labour has to look at them as the realistic option for a protest vote.
Finally, as Plaid are likely to be a significant third force the bar for most seats is quite low. 23 would probably be enough and there are pathways for the Tories to achieve that.
6-1 with most bookies. Should be 3-1. Labour are 11/10 on. Should be no better than even.
DYOR.
Though Drakefords lead in the leadership ratings does look formidable. What would Starmer give for these sort of numbers?:
This is where being anti-science and anti a vaccine developed in association with the world's number one university gets you.
World's number one university?
It’s a number 2 university, actually.
Oxford says otherwise based on the intermediate findings ;-)
Any institution that could give a PhD to notorious forger and liar Naomi Wolf is clearly a bit shit.
Oxford doesn't give anyone a PhD, we leave that to the tabs
DPhil then, Mr Finicky.
What I don’t understand is why they haven’t withdrawn it yet. Bad enough they passed it, but after it had been publicly exposed as fraudulent any self-respecting university would have acted at once.
It was not fraudulent.
It was incorrect. She made a mistake. Her ignorance was exposed in a very public manner.
If a DPhil is awarded for (partially) incorrect work, then should it be later taken away ?
I don't think so -- outright fraud or plagiarism (like our friend Ursula vdL) is a different matter.
The responsibility for ensuring the thesis is correct really lies with the examiners (especially the external) and the supervisor. Not with the student who made a mistake.
Why, even @YBarddCwsc made a mistake in his thesis (naturally entitled The Evil History of Skiing )
Particularly given lateral flow tests administered by non-medics are infamously as inaccurate as a Nick Gibb statement on schools.
Noone under 40 is going to bother with this, we'll just drink at each other's houses for a bit.
No you won't. What bollocks
You will be offered a free vaccination, which takes 10 minutes and is painless but might make you feel a bit poorly for 2 days (or, do nothing at all), a vaccine which protects you from a terrible disease which can ruin your life even if you never go to hospital (see that remarkable story posted by Mr Nabavi, in a prior thread)
Moreover, this vaccine will be a visa to hassle-free travel, going to gyms and theatres, not infecting your parents, or vulnerable people, why the F would you not take it? For free?! What point are you proving? Ha! I don't believe in SCIENCE! Take that, biology!
You will take it. 90% of people will take it. Maybe more
There is a difference between having had a vaccine and putting up with the bollocks of a vax passport internal to the country. I have been vaccinated I refuse point blank to do anything with the vax passport you propose and just like its mandatory to wear masks in shops a lot ignore it for custom...so will pubs. Anyone proposing this can go fuck themselves with a large monolith
Just have the damn jab and stop endangering your fellow Britons
"I refuse to black out my house. The chances of my being bombed by the Luftwaffe are 1 in 2000. I am young and free!"
*bomb targeting undimmed light wipes out house, and 300 neighbours*
"Oh. Sorry."
Which part of I have been vaccinated did you fail to understand fuckwit?
Fair enough, lol. I am a fuckwit if you've been vaccinated
Apologies
I just wanted an argument!
I am not anti vaccine just against the idea we have to show papers to access everyday life. I won't support it and I refuse to go along with it
Understood. I misconstrued you, hence my apology. In context, I have been encountering mad anti-vax sentiment all day, online, it seems to be especially prevalent in the young. I don't know why. So I jumped to conclusions
It is, I believe, total selfishness, during a plague. The same as people who refuse to wear masks. Do you not fucking get it, you wear a mask to protect ME, I wear a mask to protect YOU?
There is a time and place for libertarian beliefs. I generally ascribe to them. But a pandemic is probably the absolute WORST time to espouse this doctrine. It means that many people will die
For some of the idiotic young there has been a cross from ‘clean eating’ nonsense into nothing unnatural enters the body. The don’t want any medicines, not even an aspirin (ironically a natural product...) I have this on good authority from one of my pharmacist tutees. Madness.
That is the same trajectory I have observed, from veganism to organic veggies to superfoods to spirulina smoothies to DON'T GIVE ME A VACCINE WHICH MIGHT SAVE MY LIFE
Anything "artificial" or *man made* is BAD, like juju in Haiti, anything natural is GOOD, such as deadly nightshade, eerie parasitic wasps, scrofula or Bubonic Plague
Particularly given lateral flow tests administered by non-medics are infamously as inaccurate as a Nick Gibb statement on schools.
Noone under 40 is going to bother with this, we'll just drink at each other's houses for a bit.
No you won't. What bollocks
You will be offered a free vaccination, which takes 10 minutes and is painless but might make you feel a bit poorly for 2 days (or, do nothing at all), a vaccine which protects you from a terrible disease which can ruin your life even if you never go to hospital (see that remarkable story posted by Mr Nabavi, in a prior thread)
Moreover, this vaccine will be a visa to hassle-free travel, going to gyms and theatres, not infecting your parents, or vulnerable people, why the F would you not take it? For free?! What point are you proving? Ha! I don't believe in SCIENCE! Take that, biology!
You will take it. 90% of people will take it. Maybe more
There is a difference between having had a vaccine and putting up with the bollocks of a vax passport internal to the country. I have been vaccinated I refuse point blank to do anything with the vax passport you propose and just like its mandatory to wear masks in shops a lot ignore it for custom...so will pubs. Anyone proposing this can go fuck themselves with a large monolith
Just have the damn jab and stop endangering your fellow Britons
"I refuse to black out my house. The chances of my being bombed by the Luftwaffe are 1 in 2000. I am young and free!"
*bomb targeting undimmed light wipes out house, and 300 neighbours*
"Oh. Sorry."
Which part of I have been vaccinated did you fail to understand fuckwit?
Fair enough, lol. I am a fuckwit if you've been vaccinated
Apologies
I just wanted an argument!
I am not anti vaccine just against the idea we have to show papers to access everyday life. I won't support it and I refuse to go along with it
Understood. I misconstrued you, hence my apology. In context, I have been encountering mad anti-vax sentiment all day, online, it seems to be especially prevalent in the young. I don't know why. So I jumped to conclusions
It is, I believe, total selfishness, during a plague. The same as people who refuse to wear masks. Do you not fucking get it, you wear a mask to protect ME, I wear a mask to protect YOU?
There is a time and place for libertarian beliefs. I generally ascribe to them. But a pandemic is probably the absolute WORST time to espouse this doctrine. It means that many people will die
Vax passports though do nothing they are merely security theatre.
If you are vaccinated in a bar with unvaccinated people you are unlikely to get it. If you do get it you are not likely to notice it. The only ones really at risk are the unvaccinated
They are not "security theatre". They give more nervous people - people older than you, or sicker than you, people with cancer, or diabetes, or cystic fibrosis - permission to go out, to fly, to have a holiday, knowing they will be surrounded by similarly vaccinated people, so the risk is minimal - the least it can be.
Do they not have the right to regain normal life, with this reassurance? They do
Equally, your unvaxxed young friends also have a right to go the pub without being ID'd
I would let the market decide, as I have said before. My guess is that places like theatres will want vax passports, pubs will not. Those pubs that do can advertise the fact, those that don't, the same. Let individuals decide: as long as R0 remains low
They are exactly security theatre they aren't based on science, they are purely there to reassure in your own words.
Sorry you don't get to restrict me just to reassure the nervous. If that was the case we might lock up all males because they make some woman nervous for example.
Surely that has to be right. Being jabbed offers a way back to normal life for the whole population, and it has to be the whole population. We all have to be released at the same pace. If someone still doesn't feel secure after being jabbed themselves, then that's the person who should be taking the extra precautions. You can't discriminate against cohorts that haven't yet been done. It stinks.
Particularly given lateral flow tests administered by non-medics are infamously as inaccurate as a Nick Gibb statement on schools.
Noone under 40 is going to bother with this, we'll just drink at each other's houses for a bit.
No you won't. What bollocks
You will be offered a free vaccination, which takes 10 minutes and is painless but might make you feel a bit poorly for 2 days (or, do nothing at all), a vaccine which protects you from a terrible disease which can ruin your life even if you never go to hospital (see that remarkable story posted by Mr Nabavi, in a prior thread)
Moreover, this vaccine will be a visa to hassle-free travel, going to gyms and theatres, not infecting your parents, or vulnerable people, why the F would you not take it? For free?! What point are you proving? Ha! I don't believe in SCIENCE! Take that, biology!
You will take it. 90% of people will take it. Maybe more
I think he means if the government delays our vaccines as they currently say they will. I find the idea ridiculous that they could even consider introducing vaccine passports while simultaneously fucking off all under 50s by not giving us vaccines.
Happily, it's not going to be an issue. There's a reason Novavax have fucked the EU off today.
Any more news on when Novavax are going to be approved for use ?
No news but it won't be long now I think, maybe a couple of weeks.
Will this release an immediate fresh flood of supply though, or is the cavalry only going to come charging over the hill in time for the Autumn booster campaign?
Both, we have got lots and lots of vaccine doses coming. Our autumn booster will probably be a single dose of AZ adjusted for the various mutations, we'll need around 32m doses to cover what we need. In addition from 2022 onwards we have our CureVac deal which is domestic manufacturing as well.
This whole EU issue is a massive unnecessary distraction, we've got planned domestic supply of around 50m doses per month of which around 10m is already online and another 5m is due soon with a ramp up to 25m per month around June.
In addition we have J&J and Pfizer coming from Belgium which will never put in a vaccine ban.
This is a nasty disease. It would be nice if most of the under 50s weren't left kicking our heels until June or July waiting and waiting and waiting for the supply bottleneck finally to ease. That's what I was concerned about. AZ is still the only domestic product actually in use, which leaves us very reliant on Pfizer in Belgium being allowed to fulfil their contracts. I know that you and others have good reasons for expecting them to continue to be able to do so, but the EU has been going a bit loopy recently and Belgium is a small country which could find itself subject to heavy pressure from more powerful neighbours.
Particularly given lateral flow tests administered by non-medics are infamously as inaccurate as a Nick Gibb statement on schools.
Noone under 40 is going to bother with this, we'll just drink at each other's houses for a bit.
No you won't. What bollocks
You will be offered a free vaccination, which takes 10 minutes and is painless but might make you feel a bit poorly for 2 days (or, do nothing at all), a vaccine which protects you from a terrible disease which can ruin your life even if you never go to hospital (see that remarkable story posted by Mr Nabavi, in a prior thread)
Moreover, this vaccine will be a visa to hassle-free travel, going to gyms and theatres, not infecting your parents, or vulnerable people, why the F would you not take it? For free?! What point are you proving? Ha! I don't believe in SCIENCE! Take that, biology!
You will take it. 90% of people will take it. Maybe more
There is a difference between having had a vaccine and putting up with the bollocks of a vax passport internal to the country. I have been vaccinated I refuse point blank to do anything with the vax passport you propose and just like its mandatory to wear masks in shops a lot ignore it for custom...so will pubs. Anyone proposing this can go fuck themselves with a large monolith
Just have the damn jab and stop endangering your fellow Britons
"I refuse to black out my house. The chances of my being bombed by the Luftwaffe are 1 in 2000. I am young and free!"
*bomb targeting undimmed light wipes out house, and 300 neighbours*
"Oh. Sorry."
Which part of I have been vaccinated did you fail to understand fuckwit?
Fair enough, lol. I am a fuckwit if you've been vaccinated
Apologies
I just wanted an argument!
I am not anti vaccine just against the idea we have to show papers to access everyday life. I won't support it and I refuse to go along with it
Understood. I misconstrued you, hence my apology. In context, I have been encountering mad anti-vax sentiment all day, online, it seems to be especially prevalent in the young. I don't know why. So I jumped to conclusions
It is, I believe, total selfishness, during a plague. The same as people who refuse to wear masks. Do you not fucking get it, you wear a mask to protect ME, I wear a mask to protect YOU?
There is a time and place for libertarian beliefs. I generally ascribe to them. But a pandemic is probably the absolute WORST time to espouse this doctrine. It means that many people will die
Vax passports though do nothing they are merely security theatre.
If you are vaccinated in a bar with unvaccinated people you are unlikely to get it. If you do get it you are not likely to notice it. The only ones really at risk are the unvaccinated
They are not "security theatre". They give more nervous people - people older than you, or sicker than you, people with cancer, or diabetes, or cystic fibrosis - permission to go out, to fly, to have a holiday, knowing they will be surrounded by similarly vaccinated people, so the risk is minimal - the least it can be.
Do they not have the right to regain normal life, with this reassurance? They do
Equally, your unvaxxed young friends also have a right to go the pub without being ID'd
I would let the market decide, as I have said before. My guess is that places like theatres will want vax passports, pubs will not. Those pubs that do can advertise the fact, those that don't, the same. Let individuals decide: as long as R0 remains low
They are exactly security theatre they are based on science, they are purely there to reassure in your own words.
Sorry you don't get to restrict me just to reassure the nervous. If that was the case we might lock up all males because they make some woman nervous for example.
If I am on a plane with entirely vaxxed people I am much less at risk of getting Corona than if I am on a plane where I have no idea of the status of anyone
We are back to arguing and it is pointless.
You might as well get used to vax passports, because they are coming. Businesses will see the huge advantage. Deal with it
For travelling abroad it makes sense because it keeps out new variants. For internal use it makes no sense whatsoever. They can try and bring it in but they should expect most to ignore it and businesses that decide to implement it might find they backed the wrong horse. I know few people that are in your camp. Indeed the only person even on pb that has been in favour as far as I have seen is Nick Palmer. Your view I suspect is a minority
Then let the market decide. Pubs which attract an older clientele can say "we demand vax passports", pubs which predominantly serve under-30s can say "no need for passports here!". I can see the appeal of both, for different markets
Then the individual makes the choice, along with the business. That is the only fair way to do it, there is no perfect solution
Particularly given lateral flow tests administered by non-medics are infamously as inaccurate as a Nick Gibb statement on schools.
Noone under 40 is going to bother with this, we'll just drink at each other's houses for a bit.
No you won't. What bollocks
You will be offered a free vaccination, which takes 10 minutes and is painless but might make you feel a bit poorly for 2 days (or, do nothing at all), a vaccine which protects you from a terrible disease which can ruin your life even if you never go to hospital (see that remarkable story posted by Mr Nabavi, in a prior thread)
Moreover, this vaccine will be a visa to hassle-free travel, going to gyms and theatres, not infecting your parents, or vulnerable people, why the F would you not take it? For free?! What point are you proving? Ha! I don't believe in SCIENCE! Take that, biology!
You will take it. 90% of people will take it. Maybe more
There is a difference between having had a vaccine and putting up with the bollocks of a vax passport internal to the country. I have been vaccinated I refuse point blank to do anything with the vax passport you propose and just like its mandatory to wear masks in shops a lot ignore it for custom...so will pubs. Anyone proposing this can go fuck themselves with a large monolith
Just have the damn jab and stop endangering your fellow Britons
"I refuse to black out my house. The chances of my being bombed by the Luftwaffe are 1 in 2000. I am young and free!"
*bomb targeting undimmed light wipes out house, and 300 neighbours*
"Oh. Sorry."
Which part of I have been vaccinated did you fail to understand fuckwit?
Fair enough, lol. I am a fuckwit if you've been vaccinated
Apologies
I just wanted an argument!
I am not anti vaccine just against the idea we have to show papers to access everyday life. I won't support it and I refuse to go along with it
Understood. I misconstrued you, hence my apology. In context, I have been encountering mad anti-vax sentiment all day, online, it seems to be especially prevalent in the young. I don't know why. So I jumped to conclusions
It is, I believe, total selfishness, during a plague. The same as people who refuse to wear masks. Do you not fucking get it, you wear a mask to protect ME, I wear a mask to protect YOU?
There is a time and place for libertarian beliefs. I generally ascribe to them. But a pandemic is probably the absolute WORST time to espouse this doctrine. It means that many people will die
Vax passports though do nothing they are merely security theatre.
If you are vaccinated in a bar with unvaccinated people you are unlikely to get it. If you do get it you are not likely to notice it. The only ones really at risk are the unvaccinated
They are not "security theatre". They give more nervous people - people older than you, or sicker than you, people with cancer, or diabetes, or cystic fibrosis - permission to go out, to fly, to have a holiday, knowing they will be surrounded by similarly vaccinated people, so the risk is minimal - the least it can be.
Do they not have the right to regain normal life, with this reassurance? They do
Equally, your unvaxxed young friends also have a right to go the pub without being ID'd
I would let the market decide, as I have said before. My guess is that places like theatres will want vax passports, pubs will not. Those pubs that do can advertise the fact, those that don't, the same. Let individuals decide: as long as R0 remains low
They are exactly security theatre they aren't based on science, they are purely there to reassure in your own words.
Sorry you don't get to restrict me just to reassure the nervous. If that was the case we might lock up all males because they make some woman nervous for example.
Surely that has to be right. Being jabbed offers a way back to normal life for the whole population, and it has to be the whole population. We all have to be released at the same pace. If someone still doesn't feel secure after being jabbed themselves, then that's the person who should be taking the extra precautions. You can't discriminate against cohorts that haven't yet been done. It stinks.
Precisely once I have the second jab it wont bother me in the least mixing with the unvaccinated because any fear I would have would be purely in my mind and not based in reality. Therefore my problem and I shouldn't be expecting others to change their behaviour because I am being irrational
Particularly given lateral flow tests administered by non-medics are infamously as inaccurate as a Nick Gibb statement on schools.
Noone under 40 is going to bother with this, we'll just drink at each other's houses for a bit.
No you won't. What bollocks
You will be offered a free vaccination, which takes 10 minutes and is painless but might make you feel a bit poorly for 2 days (or, do nothing at all), a vaccine which protects you from a terrible disease which can ruin your life even if you never go to hospital (see that remarkable story posted by Mr Nabavi, in a prior thread)
Moreover, this vaccine will be a visa to hassle-free travel, going to gyms and theatres, not infecting your parents, or vulnerable people, why the F would you not take it? For free?! What point are you proving? Ha! I don't believe in SCIENCE! Take that, biology!
You will take it. 90% of people will take it. Maybe more
There is a difference between having had a vaccine and putting up with the bollocks of a vax passport internal to the country. I have been vaccinated I refuse point blank to do anything with the vax passport you propose and just like its mandatory to wear masks in shops a lot ignore it for custom...so will pubs. Anyone proposing this can go fuck themselves with a large monolith
Just have the damn jab and stop endangering your fellow Britons
"I refuse to black out my house. The chances of my being bombed by the Luftwaffe are 1 in 2000. I am young and free!"
*bomb targeting undimmed light wipes out house, and 300 neighbours*
"Oh. Sorry."
Which part of I have been vaccinated did you fail to understand fuckwit?
Fair enough, lol. I am a fuckwit if you've been vaccinated
Apologies
I just wanted an argument!
I am not anti vaccine just against the idea we have to show papers to access everyday life. I won't support it and I refuse to go along with it
Understood. I misconstrued you, hence my apology. In context, I have been encountering mad anti-vax sentiment all day, online, it seems to be especially prevalent in the young. I don't know why. So I jumped to conclusions
It is, I believe, total selfishness, during a plague. The same as people who refuse to wear masks. Do you not fucking get it, you wear a mask to protect ME, I wear a mask to protect YOU?
There is a time and place for libertarian beliefs. I generally ascribe to them. But a pandemic is probably the absolute WORST time to espouse this doctrine. It means that many people will die
Vax passports though do nothing they are merely security theatre.
If you are vaccinated in a bar with unvaccinated people you are unlikely to get it. If you do get it you are not likely to notice it. The only ones really at risk are the unvaccinated
They are not "security theatre". They give more nervous people - people older than you, or sicker than you, people with cancer, or diabetes, or cystic fibrosis - permission to go out, to fly, to have a holiday, knowing they will be surrounded by similarly vaccinated people, so the risk is minimal - the least it can be.
Do they not have the right to regain normal life, with this reassurance? They do
Equally, your unvaxxed young friends also have a right to go the pub without being ID'd
I would let the market decide, as I have said before. My guess is that places like theatres will want vax passports, pubs will not. Those pubs that do can advertise the fact, those that don't, the same. Let individuals decide: as long as R0 remains low
They are exactly security theatre they are based on science, they are purely there to reassure in your own words.
Sorry you don't get to restrict me just to reassure the nervous. If that was the case we might lock up all males because they make some woman nervous for example.
If I am on a plane with entirely vaxxed people I am much less at risk of getting Corona than if I am on a plane where I have no idea of the status of anyone
We are back to arguing and it is pointless.
You might as well get used to vax passports, because they are coming. Businesses will see the huge advantage. Deal with it
For travelling abroad it makes sense because it keeps out new variants. For internal use it makes no sense whatsoever. They can try and bring it in but they should expect most to ignore it and businesses that decide to implement it might find they backed the wrong horse. I know few people that are in your camp. Indeed the only person even on pb that has been in favour as far as I have seen is Nick Palmer. Your view I suspect is a minority
Then let the market decide. Pubs which attract an older clientele can say "we demand vax passports", pubs which predominantly serve under-30s can say "no need for passports here!". I can see the appeal of both, for different markets
Then the individual makes the choice, along with the business. That is the only fair way to do it, there is no perfect solution
Businesses could already do that if they want. No legislation needed. You have been arguing for more. I predict that those that do though will see footfall lower than expected. Frankly who wants to go to a pub with a load of nervous nellies
Oh look, they've given themselves an out. Supply chains in EU pharma manufacturing is hugely dependent on the UK feed in. It's one of the reasons that the brexit deal covers movement of pharmaceutical products despite being relatively sparse in other areas.
This is where being anti-science and anti a vaccine developed in association with the world's number one university gets you.
World's number one university?
It’s a number 2 university, actually.
Oxford says otherwise based on the intermediate findings ;-)
Any institution that could give a PhD to notorious forger and liar Naomi Wolf is clearly a bit shit.
Oxford doesn't give anyone a PhD, we leave that to the tabs
DPhil then, Mr Finicky.
What I don’t understand is why they haven’t withdrawn it yet. Bad enough they passed it, but after it had been publicly exposed as fraudulent any self-respecting university would have acted at once.
It was not fraudulent.
It was incorrect. She made a mistake. Her ignorance was exposed in a very public manner.
If a DPhil is awarded for (partially) incorrect work, then should it be later taken away ?
I don't think so -- outright fraud or plagiarism (like our friend Ursula vdL) is a different matter.
The responsibility for ensuring the thesis is correct really lies with the examiners (especially the external) and the supervisor. Not with the student who made a mistake.
Why, even @YBarddCwsc made a mistake in his thesis (naturally entitled The Evil History of Skiing )
No. She committed actual fraud. She deliberately misrepresented her source material to claim an uptick in prosecutions of homosexuals when in fact most of the cases she wrote about involved paedophilia - including the rape of a six year old boy that she passed off as a consensual act for which a teenager had been punished.
Particularly given lateral flow tests administered by non-medics are infamously as inaccurate as a Nick Gibb statement on schools.
Noone under 40 is going to bother with this, we'll just drink at each other's houses for a bit.
No you won't. What bollocks
You will be offered a free vaccination, which takes 10 minutes and is painless but might make you feel a bit poorly for 2 days (or, do nothing at all), a vaccine which protects you from a terrible disease which can ruin your life even if you never go to hospital (see that remarkable story posted by Mr Nabavi, in a prior thread)
Moreover, this vaccine will be a visa to hassle-free travel, going to gyms and theatres, not infecting your parents, or vulnerable people, why the F would you not take it? For free?! What point are you proving? Ha! I don't believe in SCIENCE! Take that, biology!
You will take it. 90% of people will take it. Maybe more
There is a difference between having had a vaccine and putting up with the bollocks of a vax passport internal to the country. I have been vaccinated I refuse point blank to do anything with the vax passport you propose and just like its mandatory to wear masks in shops a lot ignore it for custom...so will pubs. Anyone proposing this can go fuck themselves with a large monolith
Just have the damn jab and stop endangering your fellow Britons
"I refuse to black out my house. The chances of my being bombed by the Luftwaffe are 1 in 2000. I am young and free!"
*bomb targeting undimmed light wipes out house, and 300 neighbours*
"Oh. Sorry."
Which part of I have been vaccinated did you fail to understand fuckwit?
Fair enough, lol. I am a fuckwit if you've been vaccinated
Apologies
I just wanted an argument!
I am not anti vaccine just against the idea we have to show papers to access everyday life. I won't support it and I refuse to go along with it
Understood. I misconstrued you, hence my apology. In context, I have been encountering mad anti-vax sentiment all day, online, it seems to be especially prevalent in the young. I don't know why. So I jumped to conclusions
It is, I believe, total selfishness, during a plague. The same as people who refuse to wear masks. Do you not fucking get it, you wear a mask to protect ME, I wear a mask to protect YOU?
There is a time and place for libertarian beliefs. I generally ascribe to them. But a pandemic is probably the absolute WORST time to espouse this doctrine. It means that many people will die
Vax passports though do nothing they are merely security theatre.
If you are vaccinated in a bar with unvaccinated people you are unlikely to get it. If you do get it you are not likely to notice it. The only ones really at risk are the unvaccinated
They are not "security theatre". They give more nervous people - people older than you, or sicker than you, people with cancer, or diabetes, or cystic fibrosis - permission to go out, to fly, to have a holiday, knowing they will be surrounded by similarly vaccinated people, so the risk is minimal - the least it can be.
Do they not have the right to regain normal life, with this reassurance? They do
Equally, your unvaxxed young friends also have a right to go the pub without being ID'd
I would let the market decide, as I have said before. My guess is that places like theatres will want vax passports, pubs will not. Those pubs that do can advertise the fact, those that don't, the same. Let individuals decide: as long as R0 remains low
They are exactly security theatre they are based on science, they are purely there to reassure in your own words.
Sorry you don't get to restrict me just to reassure the nervous. If that was the case we might lock up all males because they make some woman nervous for example.
If I am on a plane with entirely vaxxed people I am much less at risk of getting Corona than if I am on a plane where I have no idea of the status of anyone
We are back to arguing and it is pointless.
You might as well get used to vax passports, because they are coming. Businesses will see the huge advantage. Deal with it
For travelling abroad it makes sense because it keeps out new variants. For internal use it makes no sense whatsoever. They can try and bring it in but they should expect most to ignore it and businesses that decide to implement it might find they backed the wrong horse. I know few people that are in your camp. Indeed the only person even on pb that has been in favour as far as I have seen is Nick Palmer. Your view I suspect is a minority
Then let the market decide. Pubs which attract an older clientele can say "we demand vax passports",
You mean The Misery Guts Bar , patronised by nervous over-seventy year old XMPs once in a blue moon, could stay open ....
... on the off chance that another fully vaccinated, but very worried, individual might want to come in for a wild evening of social distanced fun.
I expect The Misery Guts Bar may not find itself with a compelling business case.
Particularly given lateral flow tests administered by non-medics are infamously as inaccurate as a Nick Gibb statement on schools.
Noone under 40 is going to bother with this, we'll just drink at each other's houses for a bit.
No you won't. What bollocks
You will be offered a free vaccination, which takes 10 minutes and is painless but might make you feel a bit poorly for 2 days (or, do nothing at all), a vaccine which protects you from a terrible disease which can ruin your life even if you never go to hospital (see that remarkable story posted by Mr Nabavi, in a prior thread)
Moreover, this vaccine will be a visa to hassle-free travel, going to gyms and theatres, not infecting your parents, or vulnerable people, why the F would you not take it? For free?! What point are you proving? Ha! I don't believe in SCIENCE! Take that, biology!
You will take it. 90% of people will take it. Maybe more
There is a difference between having had a vaccine and putting up with the bollocks of a vax passport internal to the country. I have been vaccinated I refuse point blank to do anything with the vax passport you propose and just like its mandatory to wear masks in shops a lot ignore it for custom...so will pubs. Anyone proposing this can go fuck themselves with a large monolith
Just have the damn jab and stop endangering your fellow Britons
"I refuse to black out my house. The chances of my being bombed by the Luftwaffe are 1 in 2000. I am young and free!"
*bomb targeting undimmed light wipes out house, and 300 neighbours*
"Oh. Sorry."
Which part of I have been vaccinated did you fail to understand fuckwit?
Fair enough, lol. I am a fuckwit if you've been vaccinated
Apologies
I just wanted an argument!
I am not anti vaccine just against the idea we have to show papers to access everyday life. I won't support it and I refuse to go along with it
Understood. I misconstrued you, hence my apology. In context, I have been encountering mad anti-vax sentiment all day, online, it seems to be especially prevalent in the young. I don't know why. So I jumped to conclusions
It is, I believe, total selfishness, during a plague. The same as people who refuse to wear masks. Do you not fucking get it, you wear a mask to protect ME, I wear a mask to protect YOU?
There is a time and place for libertarian beliefs. I generally ascribe to them. But a pandemic is probably the absolute WORST time to espouse this doctrine. It means that many people will die
Vax passports though do nothing they are merely security theatre.
If you are vaccinated in a bar with unvaccinated people you are unlikely to get it. If you do get it you are not likely to notice it. The only ones really at risk are the unvaccinated
They are not "security theatre". They give more nervous people - people older than you, or sicker than you, people with cancer, or diabetes, or cystic fibrosis - permission to go out, to fly, to have a holiday, knowing they will be surrounded by similarly vaccinated people, so the risk is minimal - the least it can be.
Do they not have the right to regain normal life, with this reassurance? They do
Equally, your unvaxxed young friends also have a right to go the pub without being ID'd
I would let the market decide, as I have said before. My guess is that places like theatres will want vax passports, pubs will not. Those pubs that do can advertise the fact, those that don't, the same. Let individuals decide: as long as R0 remains low
They are exactly security theatre they are based on science, they are purely there to reassure in your own words.
Sorry you don't get to restrict me just to reassure the nervous. If that was the case we might lock up all males because they make some woman nervous for example.
If I am on a plane with entirely vaxxed people I am much less at risk of getting Corona than if I am on a plane where I have no idea of the status of anyone
We are back to arguing and it is pointless.
You might as well get used to vax passports, because they are coming. Businesses will see the huge advantage. Deal with it
For travelling abroad it makes sense because it keeps out new variants. For internal use it makes no sense whatsoever. They can try and bring it in but they should expect most to ignore it and businesses that decide to implement it might find they backed the wrong horse. I know few people that are in your camp. Indeed the only person even on pb that has been in favour as far as I have seen is Nick Palmer. Your view I suspect is a minority
Then let the market decide. Pubs which attract an older clientele can say "we demand vax passports", pubs which predominantly serve under-30s can say "no need for passports here!". I can see the appeal of both, for different markets
Then the individual makes the choice, along with the business. That is the only fair way to do it, there is no perfect solution
Businesses could already do that if they want. No legislation needed. You have been arguing for more. I predict that those that do though will see footfall lower than expected. Frankly who wants to go to a pub with a load of nervous nellies
Time to end the argument, we don't differ on principle
I predict vaccine passports will be more common than you expect, in a few months. We shall see. The difficult moment of moral awkwardness won't last that long, anyway: by late summer every adult in the UK will be vaxxed, then vax passports will definitely become universal: for foreign travel if nothing else
People that refuse the jab outright will find that life is increasingly confined. As they should, because they are a risk to others.
I do feel sorry for them, these beliefs are often deep-routed, it will be hard
Oh look, they've given themselves an out. Supply chains in EU pharma manufacturing is hugely dependent on the UK feed in. It's one of the reasons that the brexit deal covers movement of pharmaceutical products despite being relatively sparse in other areas.
Call me cynical but why pass something that is not intended to be used. I can't think of a single time that any government has passed something that is "not going to be used" where it hasn't subsequently been used. Same with all the woolly language in our laws "Oh it will not be used for anything other than serious crimes" cue local councils using ripa to investigate uncleared dog poo etc.
Reading between the lines what the dutch pm really said "We don't like it but we got outvoted and now we pray someone isn't silly enough to use it"
This is where being anti-science and anti a vaccine developed in association with the world's number one university gets you.
World's number one university?
It’s a number 2 university, actually.
Oxford says otherwise based on the intermediate findings ;-)
Any institution that could give a PhD to notorious forger and liar Naomi Wolf is clearly a bit shit.
Oxford doesn't give anyone a PhD, we leave that to the tabs
DPhil then, Mr Finicky.
What I don’t understand is why they haven’t withdrawn it yet. Bad enough they passed it, but after it had been publicly exposed as fraudulent any self-respecting university would have acted at once.
It was not fraudulent.
It was incorrect. She made a mistake. Her ignorance was exposed in a very public manner.
If a DPhil is awarded for (partially) incorrect work, then should it be later taken away ?
I don't think so -- outright fraud or plagiarism (like our friend Ursula vdL) is a different matter.
The responsibility for ensuring the thesis is correct really lies with the examiners (especially the external) and the supervisor. Not with the student who made a mistake.
Why, even @YBarddCwsc made a mistake in his thesis (naturally entitled The Evil History of Skiing )
No. She committed actual fraud. She deliberately misrepresented her source material to claim an uptick in prosecutions of homosexuals when in fact most of the cases she wrote about involved paedophilia - including the rape of a six year old boy that she passed off as a consensual act for which a teenager had been punished.
Particularly given lateral flow tests administered by non-medics are infamously as inaccurate as a Nick Gibb statement on schools.
Noone under 40 is going to bother with this, we'll just drink at each other's houses for a bit.
No you won't. What bollocks
You will be offered a free vaccination, which takes 10 minutes and is painless but might make you feel a bit poorly for 2 days (or, do nothing at all), a vaccine which protects you from a terrible disease which can ruin your life even if you never go to hospital (see that remarkable story posted by Mr Nabavi, in a prior thread)
Moreover, this vaccine will be a visa to hassle-free travel, going to gyms and theatres, not infecting your parents, or vulnerable people, why the F would you not take it? For free?! What point are you proving? Ha! I don't believe in SCIENCE! Take that, biology!
You will take it. 90% of people will take it. Maybe more
I think he means if the government delays our vaccines as they currently say they will. I find the idea ridiculous that they could even consider introducing vaccine passports while simultaneously fucking off all under 50s by not giving us vaccines.
Happily, it's not going to be an issue. There's a reason Novavax have fucked the EU off today.
Any more news on when Novavax are going to be approved for use ?
No news but it won't be long now I think, maybe a couple of weeks.
Will this release an immediate fresh flood of supply though, or is the cavalry only going to come charging over the hill in time for the Autumn booster campaign?
Both, we have got lots and lots of vaccine doses coming. Our autumn booster will probably be a single dose of AZ adjusted for the various mutations, we'll need around 32m doses to cover what we need. In addition from 2022 onwards we have our CureVac deal which is domestic manufacturing as well.
This whole EU issue is a massive unnecessary distraction, we've got planned domestic supply of around 50m doses per month of which around 10m is already online and another 5m is due soon with a ramp up to 25m per month around June.
In addition we have J&J and Pfizer coming from Belgium which will never put in a vaccine ban.
This is a nasty disease. It would be nice if most of the under 50s weren't left kicking our heels until June or July waiting and waiting and waiting for the supply bottleneck finally to ease. That's what I was concerned about. AZ is still the only domestic product actually in use, which leaves us very reliant on Pfizer in Belgium being allowed to fulfil their contracts. I know that you and others have good reasons for expecting them to continue to be able to do so, but the EU has been going a bit loopy recently and Belgium is a small country which could find itself subject to heavy pressure from more powerful neighbours.
We won't be, I really won't stop repeating myself. The two new vaccines will arrive in April and they will necessitate a very large number of first doses, especially if we continue to leverage a JiT dosing strategy with a 6-8 week gap. We could easily do 3-4m first doses per week of Moderna/Novavax together in April and May to cover all of the remaining groups with first doses and then the following 6-8 weeks with second doses.
What's really interesting is that a single Novavax booster may actually cover off a lot of the variants for people who have already been fully vaccinated. That's the existing version, it's something that neither AZ not Pfizer really do with antibody immunity that Novavax does to a 50-70% level.
We could conceivably use the 30m spare Novavax doses for our booster programme and then use a single adjusted AZ dose for under 50s.
I've been a long time lurker (even made a few pounds over the years with small bets, but mostly read the comments for general politics and information). I decided to actually join with the aim of occasionally weighing in since I often see things I want to comment on, but then realise I can't. It was getting a bit weird when I felt I could describe half the posters on here despite never having posted. I actually met Alistair Meeks at a conference and told him I was a big fan because of this site (he looked a combination of bemused and distressed).
Hopefully I'll be able to make some useful contirbutions and I'm pretty sure I at least lower the average age (early 30s)!
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The standard stuff, free medical insurance, 10% of salary as car allowance, free creche, then ramp it up, 10% pension contribution, 60 days holiday a year, and if you don't take them all you get paid for the days you don't take off, etc.
Norway is due to vote on 13th September. The incumbent Hojre (Conservatives) have 24% in the latest Norstat poll. That's down a fraction on the last election. The main opposition to them this time is coming from the Centre Party which is on 20.5% (+10) and now tied with Labour (-7). Progress is on 10% (-6) and the Socialist Left on 7.5% (+1.5).
It looks possible a Centre-Labour Government could replace the current Hojre-led coalition on these numbers.
Fresh voting until either a winner emerges or the Llywydd declares there have to be fresh elections.
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NEVER BOAST ABOUT YOUR COVID RESPONSE
lol
https://twitter.com/laineydoyle/status/1249127908876128259?s=20
And now the Irish sneak north across the border to get the hated Hunnish vaccine
https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1375170117970096133
Actually ignore - read it properly and see the tenant has moved on so no active company was involved.
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No doubt the under 50s will be obliged to pay excessive fees to Johnson cronies for this privilege whilst boomers get all the free stuff.
There will be much rioting in the summer. I have never ever even been on a protest but would happily picket any businesses discriminate against those not offered the vaccination yet.
You will be offered a free vaccination, which takes 10 minutes and is painless but might make you feel a bit poorly for 2 days (or, do nothing at all), a vaccine which protects you from a terrible disease which can ruin your life even if you never go to hospital (see that remarkable story posted by Mr Nabavi, in a prior thread)
Moreover, this vaccine will be a visa to hassle-free travel, going to gyms and theatres, not infecting your parents, or vulnerable people, why the F would you not take it? For free?! What point are you proving? Ha! I don't believe in SCIENCE! Take that, biology!
You will take it. 90% of people will take it. Maybe more
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But for going to the pub?
Sometimes I think this government is even more useless than Jeremy Corbyn was.
I can see Fate, turning his tempted head. With the shadow of a scythe, behind
Let's just get on jabbing, do the job, no gloating
Senedd O'Connor!
(I thank you
Which is a horse of a very different colour.
It would mean, for example, that I wouldn’t be able to go to a pub before in all probability July. Well, fuck that if they’re open for everyone else.
I would like to read your musings on Cons. most seats.
GRRRR.
"I refuse to black out my house. The chances of my being bombed by the Luftwaffe are 1 in 2000. I am young and free!"
*bomb targeting undimmed light wipes out house, and 300 neighbours*
"Oh. Sorry."
Happily, it's not going to be an issue. There's a reason Novavax have fucked the EU off today.
The very people who could have been going to the pub for the last year but havent to protect the now vaccinated.
https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1375159513301590020?s=19
1. If the Government tries to force businesses to use these tests, most of the victimized customers won't bother to patronize the businesses. As you say, boozing will take place round each others' houses or in parks
2. If it's made voluntary then the businesses will disregard it. They can't afford to turn away custom, and besides they've already been queuing up to bewail the impracticality of the measure
Doubtless the Government would enjoy penalising the young like this because it will win the approval of their elderly client base, but the main argument against it happening is that it simply won't work and will end up costing the Treasury real money. Hospitality businesses will either keep closed and attempt to survive on furlough until the twenty- and thirtysomethings have been jabbed, or try to reopen but fail for lack of custom.
Mostly though I would negotiate on areas within the department, so as to be able to bring in or promote some interested junior academics, and as to what research and teaching aims were. I get headhunted fairly regularly, but have never signed on as I like my current job and colleagues. It would be hard to better them.
The other thing is to look at the University SMT, some are odd indeed. Leicester University is involved in a significant battle in the School of Business, with some curious redundancies. The student body just had a VONC in the Vice Chancellor as a result. I can imagine that department is rather distracted as a result.
Now that’s at Westminster and the Sennedd is of course a bit different. But, at the same time, because they are so clearly in second place and all other parties other than Labour and Plaid are clearly a busted flush (it will be a surprise if anyone other than those three win any seats) anyone who wants to vote against Labour has to look at them as the realistic option for a protest vote.
Finally, as Plaid are likely to be a significant third force the bar for most seats is quite low. 23 would probably be enough and there are pathways for the Tories to achieve that.
6-1 with most bookies. Should be 3-1. Labour are 11/10 on. Should be no better than even.
DYOR.
Apologies
I just wanted an argument!
Being honest in our mistakes, and accepting that we are not united at all times on all things, actually helps build real and lasting unity - surely it was the shared mistakes, the bloody mistakes, of the European past that helped forge the current era's unity in the first place?
You don't build genuine unity by insisting upon it at all times. Difficult times and difficult measures will provoke disagreement, should provoke disagreement, yes, even after a decision is made in fact. That doesn't undermine the core ideal of unity, it's just acknowledging reality.
Quite apart from the notion Government Ministers should have better things to do than empty politically-motivated gestures, it smacks of centralising Government diktat and the Conservatives (as they always like to) telling people what to do.
It should be up to local councils and local people what flags are flown and when from public buildings - not a Government Minister.
"In late September 2020 children at Pimlico academy in central London took down a union jack that had been erected outside their school. The flag was then taken to Churchill Gardens, a large housing estate nearby, where more than half of the schools’ pupils reportedly reside, and set alight to resounding cheers."
https://www.theguardian.com/education/2021/mar/25/not-seeing-ourselves-represented-union-jack-row-at-london-school-shows-divides
Brilliant paragraph
"Another source at the school told the Guardian the history curriculum had been rewritten chronologically which resulted in references to BAME communities being removed, which meant the focus was on white British kings and queen"
How dare they focus on WHITE BRITISH Kings and Queens. And not find any Muslim Queens or Genderqueer African Kings
Final paragraphs:
"So for now the union jack remains. The burned flag was replaced with another. Until very recently, school staff would unfurl the flag and put it up outside the school every morning. Every evening, it was carefully taken down and stored.
"Since the Guardian contacted the school this ritual has come to an end and it is now in place permanently."
Well done, the Guardian. Well done!
More Professor Binns than Professor Keegan.
It is, I believe, total selfishness, during a plague. The same as people who refuse to wear masks. Do you not fucking get it, you wear a mask to protect ME, I wear a mask to protect YOU?
There is a time and place for libertarian beliefs. I generally ascribe to them. But a pandemic is probably the absolute WORST time to espouse this doctrine. It means that many people will die
What I don’t understand is why they haven’t withdrawn it yet. Bad enough they passed it, but after it had been publicly exposed as fraudulent any self-respecting university would have acted at once.
If you are vaccinated in a bar with unvaccinated people you are unlikely to get it. If you do get it you are not likely to notice it. The only ones really at risk are the unvaccinated
https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1375110941994541056?s=19
Do they not have the right to regain normal life, with this reassurance? They do
Equally, your unvaxxed young friends also have a right to go the pub without being ID'd
I would let the market decide, as I have said before. My guess is that places like theatres will want vax passports, pubs will not. Those pubs that do can advertise the fact, those that don't, the same. Let individuals decide: as long as R0 remains low
Sorry you don't get to restrict me just to reassure the nervous. If that was the case we might lock up all males because they make some woman nervous for example.
I am sure the hatred of Labour in Cardiff Bay is already built into the Tory, and part of the PC polling figures. There may yet be some more soft Labour voters who are yet to jump ship on the back of Johnson's awesome Covid performance.
Part of me would like to see RT as FM. An opportunity thus for Labour to regenerate, and a guarantee that the Conservatives would never, ever be allowed anywhere near the levers of Welsh Government power ever again.
With a 12 week dose gap and 2-3 million output per week by the time the second dose is need there will be plenty of supply available.
We are back to arguing and it is pointless.
You might as well get used to vax passports, because they are coming. Businesses will see the huge advantage. Deal with it
https://www.timesofisrael.com/greece-to-allow-in-10000-vaccinated-israeli-tourists-per-week/
This whole EU issue is a massive unnecessary distraction, we've got planned domestic supply of around 50m doses per month of which around 10m is already online and another 5m is due soon with a ramp up to 25m per month around June.
In addition we have J&J and Pfizer coming from Belgium which will never put in a vaccine ban.
I'll repeat myself as often as necessary. Under 50s are going to get the two new vaccines and the current vaccines will be used for second doses. All of these programmes will be run simultaneously.
I discounted the 5s to get
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It was incorrect. She made a mistake. Her ignorance was exposed in a very public manner.
If a DPhil is awarded for (partially) incorrect work, then should it be later taken away ?
I don't think so -- outright fraud or plagiarism (like our friend Ursula vdL) is a different matter.
The responsibility for ensuring the thesis is correct really lies with the examiners (especially the external) and the supervisor. Not with the student who made a mistake.
Why, even @YBarddCwsc made a mistake in his thesis (naturally entitled The Evil History of Skiing )
Anything "artificial" or *man made* is BAD, like juju in Haiti, anything natural is GOOD, such as deadly nightshade, eerie parasitic wasps, scrofula or Bubonic Plague
It is anti-scientific gibberish and I despair
https://www.gov.uk/apply-for-business-rate-relief/small-business-rate-relief
Empty rates relief runs for six months, but you have to establish when it was last occupied.
More flags. More vaccines.
Then the individual makes the choice, along with the business. That is the only fair way to do it, there is no perfect solution
https://twitter.com/JeremyCliffe/status/1375010513730551809
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-lgbt-history-wolf-trfn-idUSKBN2A827X
That’s separate from her inability to understand sentencing conventions. Or indeed a long career of making false and exaggerated claims.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/05/books/review-outrages-naomi-wolf.html
No self respecting university should let this doctorate stand. But Oxford does.
... on the off chance that another fully vaccinated, but very worried, individual might want to come in for a wild evening of social distanced fun.
I expect The Misery Guts Bar may not find itself with a compelling business case.
I predict vaccine passports will be more common than you expect, in a few months. We shall see. The difficult moment of moral awkwardness won't last that long, anyway: by late summer every adult in the UK will be vaxxed, then vax passports will definitely become universal: for foreign travel if nothing else
People that refuse the jab outright will find that life is increasingly confined. As they should, because they are a risk to others.
I do feel sorry for them, these beliefs are often deep-routed, it will be hard
Reading between the lines what the dutch pm really said "We don't like it but we got outvoted and now we pray someone isn't silly enough to use it"
I think the external examiner was a historian from Aber ...
Whatever, the external is not from Oxford.
What's really interesting is that a single Novavax booster may actually cover off a lot of the variants for people who have already been fully vaccinated. That's the existing version, it's something that neither AZ not Pfizer really do with antibody immunity that Novavax does to a 50-70% level.
We could conceivably use the 30m spare Novavax doses for our booster programme and then use a single adjusted AZ dose for under 50s.
I've been a long time lurker (even made a few pounds over the years with small bets, but mostly read the comments for general politics and information). I decided to actually join with the aim of occasionally weighing in since I often see things I want to comment on, but then realise I can't. It was getting a bit weird when I felt I could describe half the posters on here despite never having posted. I actually met Alistair Meeks at a conference and told him I was a big fan because of this site (he looked a combination of bemused and distressed).
Hopefully I'll be able to make some useful contirbutions and I'm pretty sure I at least lower the average age (early 30s)!