Undefined discussion subject.

Fysics_Teacher said:

Richard_Tyndall said:

Malmesbury said:

Theuniondivvie said:

Not the least fault of the whole Trump shitshow is its overweening fcuking pettiness.

https://twitter.com/anneapplebaum/status/1351175420356530177?s=20

Compare and contrast with the Bush family showing the Obama family round.... complete with Obama kids using a sloped corridor as a slide, to smiles from all the adults.

I read that the Obama family were really touched by the efforts that the Bush family made to make them feel welcome and make the handover as smooth as possible. I know Obama also said Bush did everything he could to make the power transition as smooth and professional as possible.

Would it be fair to say that nothing in his presidency became him like the leaving it?

"Today was the day that Donald Trump finally became President"?

The Fauci comments I referenced earlier are actually even more positive than I realised: he expected both J&J and AZ to submit this week, or - at the worst - in the coming weeks. Now, it'll take a month from submission to approval, but that's still excellent news.

Philip_Thompson said:

Fysics_Teacher said:

Richard_Tyndall said:

Malmesbury said:

Theuniondivvie said:

Not the least fault of the whole Trump shitshow is its overweening fcuking pettiness.

https://twitter.com/anneapplebaum/status/1351175420356530177?s=20

Compare and contrast with the Bush family showing the Obama family round.... complete with Obama kids using a sloped corridor as a slide, to smiles from all the adults.

I read that the Obama family were really touched by the efforts that the Bush family made to make them feel welcome and make the handover as smooth as possible. I know Obama also said Bush did everything he could to make the power transition as smooth and professional as possible.

Would it be fair to say that nothing in his presidency became him like the leaving it?

"Today was the day that Donald Trump finally became President"?

I was talking about Bush, or have I missed the point of your comment?

RochdalePioneers said:

Scott_xP said:

https://twitter.com/JohnMcM1/status/1351178472597684234

Surely lobbying for the survival of your industry is a definable business trip.

It feels a lot less appropriate to use the Corona-powers at a protest like this.

DecrepiterJohnL said:

Trump to leave office in 2021 -- all the 1.01 has just been taken. Has there been any news?

I took one bag earlier, but there was still six figures left at that point. Hopefully it pays on Wednesday shortly after midday Washington time.

Endillion said:

rcs1000 said:

Fauci said yesterday that the US was weeks away from approving both the AstraZeneca and Johnson & Johnson vaccines.

Which implies that the J&J mass trial data is good. (And presumably also that AZ has done a reasonable job of getting the required data to the FDA.)

"Weeks away" is an ambiguous phrase that could mean "close" or "not close", depending on the context. Am I wrong to interpret it as the latter in this case, given the circumstances?

Fauci's words were "But we're weeks away, not months away, for sure".

MaxPB said:

RochdalePioneers said:

RobD said:

Perhaps the new UK/EU neutral zone: NI.

No, NI is the Demilitarised Zone. The EU is the Federation, we are the Cardassians. Arlene Forster is Quark.

No, if the EU is the federation then we're the Maquis. The EU is closer to the Borg though. Russia are the Orion syndicate.

And you are Wesley Crusher

HYUFD said:

RochdalePioneers said:

Biden will be shot before he has chance to visit any other countries. Reagan was only 2 months in before he took a bullet, with Biden the level of crazy is dialled all the way up to Spaceforce.

The security around a US President is now far more intense than it was under Reagan and certainly than under JFK. Biden will not be allowed out of the White House without a mini army and huge Secret Service and police escort around him and snipers on every roof.

Plus if Biden was assassinated you would get President Harris who is even worse from the perspective of a Trump supporter

Biden must be glad the horrible run of Presidents dying in office was broken by Reagan - although it was a close run thing. Prior to Reagan every President elected in a 20 year cycle back to 1840 died in office

1840 - Harrison - died 1841 - Pneumonia
1860 - Lincoln died 1863 - Assassinated
1880 - Garfield died 1881- Assassinated
1900 - McKinley died 1901 - Assassinated
1920 - Harding died 1923 - Heart Attack
1940 - Roosevelt died 1945 - Stroke
1960 - Kennedy died 1963 - Assassinated

1980 - Reagan shot but survived

turbotubbs said:

MaxPB said:

rcs1000 said:

Fauci said yesterday that the US was weeks away from approving both the AstraZeneca and Johnson & Johnson vaccines.

Which implies that the J&J mass trial data is good. (And presumably also that AZ has done a reasonable job of getting the required data to the FDA.)

The US trial data must complete the picture enough for the FDA. It's a shame that AZ buggered up the UK trial so badly.

Is it though? From a parochial perspective, having AZ only licenced in the UK is kind of good for our supply at the current time. No competing supply issues... (looks towards Pfizer)

IIRC (and this may not be correct), AZ has a plant in the UK for their vaccine, as well as one in the US, and have also contracted the Serum Institute of India to make it (the Serum Institute alone will push out 500m doses in 2021 I think).

Richard_Tyndall said:

HYUFD said:

RochdalePioneers said:

Biden will be shot before he has chance to visit any other countries. Reagan was only 2 months in before he took a bullet, with Biden the level of crazy is dialled all the way up to Spaceforce.

The security around a US President is now far more intense than it was under Reagan and certainly than under JFK. Biden will not be allowed out of the White House without a mini army and huge Secret Service and police escort around him and snipers on every roof.

Plus if Biden was assassinated you would get President Harris who is even worse from the perspective of a Trump supporter

Biden must be glad the horrible run of Presidents dying in office was broken by Reagan - although it was a close run thing. Prior to Reagan every President elected in a 20 year cycle back to 1840 died in office

1840 - Harrison - died 1841 - Pneumonia
1860 - Lincoln died 1863 - Assassinated
1880 - Garfield died 1881- Assassinated
1900 - McKinley died 1901 - Assassinated
1920 - Harding died 1923 - Heart Attack
1940 - Roosevelt died 1945 - Stroke
1960 - Kennedy died 1963 - Assassinated

1980 - Reagan shot but survived

2000 - GWB; someone threw a pair of shoes at him

MattW said:

DecrepiterJohnL said:

[OT Admin] this is the second thread in as many days with "undefined discussion subject".

Appropriate for PB?

At least no one's off topic for a change.

turbotubbs said:

MarqueeMark said:

Theuniondivvie said:

felix said:

malcolmg said:

ydoethur said:

HYUFD said:

https://twitter.com/nickeardleybbc/status/1351179083837829129?s=20

By which he means, 'around 4 million people have received the FIRST DOSE of a vaccine.'

Which is not at all the same thing.

Usual lies and half truths as ever

Yup I if I were you I'd refuse the UK vaccine and wait for the EU one - much safer and the right thing to do.

Swings and roundabouts innit

'UK now has highest Covid death rate in the world'

https://tinyurl.com/y32ktj7k

Always assuming you accept the veracity of the rest of the world's numbers. It's not as if Russia or China would just casually drop a few tens of thousands extra dead in their numbers on a busy news day.

Watch out for Wednesday and the Biden Inauguration for similar "upward revisions"....

Its also a spectacular cherry pick in a moving pandemic to choose the 7-day death rate as the latest stick to beat the Government with. Quite incredible journalism. I assume they will be as quick when our (so far) excellent vaccine rollout shows tangible results faster than other countries.

I doubt it. They don't seem very interested in facts, just politics.

Interesting market and I agree Merkel might be worth a flutter. The leader of the free world will surely be keen to meet a new American president asap.

HYUFD said:

https://twitter.com/eefnews/status/1351184160342335489?s=20

It is amazing what you can achieve when there is a people's militia patrolling the streets.

Mary_Batty said:

Richard_Tyndall said:

HYUFD said:

RochdalePioneers said:

Biden will be shot before he has chance to visit any other countries. Reagan was only 2 months in before he took a bullet, with Biden the level of crazy is dialled all the way up to Spaceforce.

The security around a US President is now far more intense than it was under Reagan and certainly than under JFK. Biden will not be allowed out of the White House without a mini army and huge Secret Service and police escort around him and snipers on every roof.

Plus if Biden was assassinated you would get President Harris who is even worse from the perspective of a Trump supporter

Biden must be glad the horrible run of Presidents dying in office was broken by Reagan - although it was a close run thing. Prior to Reagan every President elected in a 20 year cycle back to 1840 died in office

1840 - Harrison - died 1841 - Pneumonia
1860 - Lincoln died 1863 - Assassinated
1880 - Garfield died 1881- Assassinated
1900 - McKinley died 1901 - Assassinated
1920 - Harding died 1923 - Heart Attack
1940 - Roosevelt died 1945 - Stroke
1960 - Kennedy died 1963 - Assassinated

1980 - Reagan shot but survived

2000 - GWB; someone threw a pair of shoes at him

For completeness I should mention I missed out Taylor elected in 1848 who died of gastroenteritis in 1850.

Richard_Tyndall said:

HYUFD said:

RochdalePioneers said:

Biden will be shot before he has chance to visit any other countries. Reagan was only 2 months in before he took a bullet, with Biden the level of crazy is dialled all the way up to Spaceforce.

The security around a US President is now far more intense than it was under Reagan and certainly than under JFK. Biden will not be allowed out of the White House without a mini army and huge Secret Service and police escort around him and snipers on every roof.

Plus if Biden was assassinated you would get President Harris who is even worse from the perspective of a Trump supporter

Biden must be glad the horrible run of Presidents dying in office was broken by Reagan - although it was a close run thing. Prior to Reagan every President elected in a 20 year cycle back to 1840 died in office

1840 - Harrison - died 1841 - Pneumonia
1860 - Lincoln died 1863 - Assassinated
1880 - Garfield died 1881- Assassinated
1900 - McKinley died 1901 - Assassinated
1920 - Harding died 1923 - Heart Attack
1940 - Roosevelt died 1945 - Stroke
1960 - Kennedy died 1963 - Assassinated

1980 - Reagan shot but survived

Roosevelt's last election was in 1944.

SandyRentool said:

HYUFD said:

https://twitter.com/eefnews/status/1351184160342335489?s=20

It is amazing what you can achieve when there is a people's militia patrolling the streets.

They realised someone had counted in the Don't Knows by mistake?

rcs1000 said:

turbotubbs said:

MaxPB said:

rcs1000 said:

Fauci said yesterday that the US was weeks away from approving both the AstraZeneca and Johnson & Johnson vaccines.

Which implies that the J&J mass trial data is good. (And presumably also that AZ has done a reasonable job of getting the required data to the FDA.)

The US trial data must complete the picture enough for the FDA. It's a shame that AZ buggered up the UK trial so badly.

Is it though? From a parochial perspective, having AZ only licenced in the UK is kind of good for our supply at the current time. No competing supply issues... (looks towards Pfizer)

IIRC (and this may not be correct), AZ has a plant in the UK for their vaccine, as well as one in the US, and have also contracted the Serum Institute of India to make it (the Serum Institute alone will push out 500m doses in 2021 I think).

The Indian target is 300m people vaccinated by August.
https://www.thenationalnews.com/world/asia/india-approves-astrazeneca-s-covid-19-vaccine-1.1139147
That’s some serious production capability they’ve got there.

Hope this a fire

https://twitter.com/santiagomayer_/status/1351190278431006726

I see the Mail thinks the vaccine roll out is a total disaster....

kle4 said:

Theuniondivvie said:

Not the least fault of the whole Trump shitshow is its overweening fcuking pettiness.

https://twitter.com/anneapplebaum/status/1351175420356530177?s=20

And people suggest she and her husband are not a good fit.

Jane Means Appleton Pierce has to be in contention.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jane_Pierce#First_Lady_of_the_United_States

TheScreamingEagles said:

Hope this a fire

https://twitter.com/santiagomayer_/status/1351190278431006726

Al Trumpiida

Fysics_Teacher said:

Philip_Thompson said:

Fysics_Teacher said:

Richard_Tyndall said:

Malmesbury said:

Theuniondivvie said:

Not the least fault of the whole Trump shitshow is its overweening fcuking pettiness.

https://twitter.com/anneapplebaum/status/1351175420356530177?s=20

Compare and contrast with the Bush family showing the Obama family round.... complete with Obama kids using a sloped corridor as a slide, to smiles from all the adults.

I read that the Obama family were really touched by the efforts that the Bush family made to make them feel welcome and make the handover as smooth as possible. I know Obama also said Bush did everything he could to make the power transition as smooth and professional as possible.

Would it be fair to say that nothing in his presidency became him like the leaving it?

"Today was the day that Donald Trump finally became President"?

I was talking about Bush, or have I missed the point of your comment?

Its a long-running joke, that Trump is about to become Presidential (when the author of the joke knows he is not). I was joking that Trump could be the same and become Presidential while leaving office (he won't).

Richard_Tyndall said:

turbotubbs said:

MarqueeMark said:

Theuniondivvie said:

felix said:

malcolmg said:

ydoethur said:

HYUFD said:

https://twitter.com/nickeardleybbc/status/1351179083837829129?s=20

By which he means, 'around 4 million people have received the FIRST DOSE of a vaccine.'

Which is not at all the same thing.

Usual lies and half truths as ever

Yup I if I were you I'd refuse the UK vaccine and wait for the EU one - much safer and the right thing to do.

Swings and roundabouts innit

'UK now has highest Covid death rate in the world'

https://tinyurl.com/y32ktj7k

Always assuming you accept the veracity of the rest of the world's numbers. It's not as if Russia or China would just casually drop a few tens of thousands extra dead in their numbers on a busy news day.

Watch out for Wednesday and the Biden Inauguration for similar "upward revisions"....

Its also a spectacular cherry pick in a moving pandemic to choose the 7-day death rate as the latest stick to beat the Government with. Quite incredible journalism. I assume they will be as quick when our (so far) excellent vaccine rollout shows tangible results faster than other countries.

I doubt it. They don't seem very interested in facts, just politics.

All of the quoted COVID-19 death figures are a bit suspect, there are simply too many variations in how the are accounted for. Excess deaths is a far better measure, because we can all agree on what constitutes a death.

As I keep pointing out only a couple of weeks ago the Russian statistical authority attributed another 130,000 of 2020's excess deaths to COVID-19, which more than tripled the official number of COVID-19 deaths. So which one is right? Both come from official Russian government sources. Similar issues apply to many other countries, Mexico being another example with a very large excess death total.

COVID-19 has undoubtedly killed a lot more than 2 million people, even double that is entirely plausible.

FrancisUrquhart said:

I see the Mail thinks the vaccine roll out is a total disaster....

What? The Mail were positive on this morning’s front page:
https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/1350931347393671169/photo/1

Off topic

WTF, I have just been charged VAT at 20% over and above purchase price on ebay from a Chinese product for the first time. I assumed it was vat paid, but not so it seems. Apparently "according to the UK 2021 VAT e-commerce package, we will collect and remit VAT where eBay is deemed supplier". Is this another example of Brexit, the gift that keeps on giving?

OldKingCole said:

Richard_Tyndall said:

HYUFD said:

RochdalePioneers said:

Biden will be shot before he has chance to visit any other countries. Reagan was only 2 months in before he took a bullet, with Biden the level of crazy is dialled all the way up to Spaceforce.

The security around a US President is now far more intense than it was under Reagan and certainly than under JFK. Biden will not be allowed out of the White House without a mini army and huge Secret Service and police escort around him and snipers on every roof.

Plus if Biden was assassinated you would get President Harris who is even worse from the perspective of a Trump supporter

Biden must be glad the horrible run of Presidents dying in office was broken by Reagan - although it was a close run thing. Prior to Reagan every President elected in a 20 year cycle back to 1840 died in office

1840 - Harrison - died 1841 - Pneumonia
1860 - Lincoln died 1863 - Assassinated
1880 - Garfield died 1881- Assassinated
1900 - McKinley died 1901 - Assassinated
1920 - Harding died 1923 - Heart Attack
1940 - Roosevelt died 1945 - Stroke
1960 - Kennedy died 1963 - Assassinated

1980 - Reagan shot but survived

Roosevelt's last election was in 1944.

And Lincoln was re-elected in 1864 and assassinated in 1865, not 1863.

HYUFD said:

RochdalePioneers said:

HYUFD said:

RochdalePioneers said:

Biden will be shot before he has chance to visit any other countries. Reagan was only 2 months in before he took a bullet, with Biden the level of crazy is dialled all the way up to Spaceforce.

The security around a US President is now far more intense than it was under Reagan and certainly than under JFK. Biden will not be allowed out of the White House without a mini army and huge Secret Service and police escort around him and snipers on every roof.

Plus if Biden was assassinated you would get President Harris who is even worse from the perspective of a Trump supporter

Trump supporters are even crazier than you. I don't think that President Harris would phase them as they have a lot of bullets.

I don't want either of them assassinated. But the lunatic arrested at the weekend with a forged inauguration pass, guns and bullets shows the threat is clear.

And if Biden and Harris are assassinated then they end up with President Pelosi who would be a Trump supporter's worst nightmare.

In any case it is highly unlikely a few crazed backwoodsmen would be able to breach the huge security cordon that now surrounds the President and Vice President or would get anywhere near enough to do so anyway

First. Anyone who thinks that assassination is a reasonable option will not be put off by the identity of the immediate replacement. They will likely see the act as symbolic, hoping to inspire others to follow their lead and overturn the entirety of the Presidential succession. Having Pelosi as an unelected Acting President would consequently be perfect (temporarily).

Second. Security of all kinds is often most vulnerable to an inside job. About one-sixth of the US population may believe in the QAnon conspiracy theory. How confident can you be that nobody in the Secret Service holds such beliefs?

williamglenn said:

MaxPB said:

felix said:

malcolmg said:

ydoethur said:

HYUFD said:

https://twitter.com/nickeardleybbc/status/1351179083837829129?s=20

By which he means, 'around 4 million people have received the FIRST DOSE of a vaccine.'

Which is not at all the same thing.

Usual lies and half truths as ever

Yup I if I were you I'd refuse the UK vaccine and wait for the EU one - much safer and the right thing to do.

Hopefully when Malc goes to get his jab the needle and vaccine bottle have got Union Flags on them.

Is it true that the vaccines are infused with British spirit?

Intravenous gin ?
Might impress some well known PB posters.

Mexicanpete said:

Off topic

WTF, I have just been charged VAT at 20% over and above purchase price on ebay from a Chinese product for the first time. I assumed it was vat paid, but not so it seems. Apparently "according to the UK 2021 VAT e-commerce package, we will collect and remit VAT where eBay is deemed supplier". Is this another example of Brexit, the gift that keeps on giving?

Shouldn't think this is Brexit, unless it was imported into the EU first and VAT paid there.

Where was it sent from? HMRC and the Post Office/Fedex etc have beenm collecting VAT on certain items sent from outside the UK/EU for years (above a certain trigger level). Not books but e.g. hobby items (in my case).

Mr. Eagles, ah, auto-correct. The finest creation of the Obsidian Order.

LostPassword said:

HYUFD said:

RochdalePioneers said:

HYUFD said:

RochdalePioneers said:

Biden will be shot before he has chance to visit any other countries. Reagan was only 2 months in before he took a bullet, with Biden the level of crazy is dialled all the way up to Spaceforce.

The security around a US President is now far more intense than it was under Reagan and certainly than under JFK. Biden will not be allowed out of the White House without a mini army and huge Secret Service and police escort around him and snipers on every roof.

Plus if Biden was assassinated you would get President Harris who is even worse from the perspective of a Trump supporter

Trump supporters are even crazier than you. I don't think that President Harris would phase them as they have a lot of bullets.

I don't want either of them assassinated. But the lunatic arrested at the weekend with a forged inauguration pass, guns and bullets shows the threat is clear.

And if Biden and Harris are assassinated then they end up with President Pelosi who would be a Trump supporter's worst nightmare.

In any case it is highly unlikely a few crazed backwoodsmen would be able to breach the huge security cordon that now surrounds the President and Vice President or would get anywhere near enough to do so anyway

First. Anyone who thinks that assassination is a reasonable option will not be put off by the identity of the immediate replacement. They will likely see the act as symbolic, hoping to inspire others to follow their lead and overturn the entirety of the Presidential succession. Having Pelosi as an unelected Acting President would consequently be perfect (temporarily).

Second. Security of all kinds is often most vulnerable to an inside job. About one-sixth of the US population may believe in the QAnon conspiracy theory. How confident can you be that nobody in the Secret Service holds such beliefs?

It would actually probably be easier for an Antifa to assassinate Trump from Thursday.

He will then be in Florida with far less security than the incumbent POTUS and if he is convicted in the impeachment would lose his security detail completely.

Plus the rules of succession ensure that the President Pro Tempore of the Senate, the Cabinet etc all Democrats would follow in line so assassinating Pelosi too would not change the Democrats control of the Federal Government.

By then the US would effectively be near civil war anyway if it got to that stage

TrèsDifficile said:

Re Welsh vaccine rollout; I've just heard from my dad that an old friend of his who runs a medical supplies company, including the UK's largest tissue bank, offered the Welsh government use of his -80C freezers in Pontyclun to help storing the Pfizer vaccine. They have completed ignored his approach.

Is freezer capacity an issue?

Mexicanpete said:

Off topic

WTF, I have just been charged VAT at 20% over and above purchase price on ebay from a Chinese product for the first time. I assumed it was vat paid, but not so it seems. Apparently "according to the UK 2021 VAT e-commerce package, we will collect and remit VAT where eBay is deemed supplier". Is this another example of Brexit, the gift that keeps on giving?

That one isn’t Brexit-specific, it’s part of an EU-wide clampdown on VAT avoidance from all the personal imports of Chinese tat from marketplaces such as eBay.

TheScreamingEagles said:

Mexicanpete said:

Off topic

WTF, I have just been charged VAT at 20% over and above purchase price on ebay from a Chinese product for the first time. I assumed it was vat paid, but not so it seems. Apparently "according to the UK 2021 VAT e-commerce package, we will collect and remit VAT where eBay is deemed supplier". Is this another example of Brexit, the gift that keeps on giving?

Actually no, it has ended a VAT dodge that has been going on for years.

The prices of products on Amazon and eBay will rise as a result of the closing of a VAT loophole which came into effect on 1 January.

Ecommerce platforms now need to account for VAT paid on products on their platforms by third-party sellers, deducting the tax at source.

Fraudulent practices

The change was made after thousands of sellers were evading tax by using shell companies and fake VAT numbers. Many of the companies doing this were from China.

Analysis reported in the Times found that prices of many goods have gone up almost overnight.

https://www.export.org.uk/news/546221/HMRC-closes-VAT-loophole-causing-Amazon-prices-to-surge-overnight.htm

Thanks.

LostPassword said:

HYUFD said:

RochdalePioneers said:

HYUFD said:

RochdalePioneers said:

Biden will be shot before he has chance to visit any other countries. Reagan was only 2 months in before he took a bullet, with Biden the level of crazy is dialled all the way up to Spaceforce.

The security around a US President is now far more intense than it was under Reagan and certainly than under JFK. Biden will not be allowed out of the White House without a mini army and huge Secret Service and police escort around him and snipers on every roof.

Plus if Biden was assassinated you would get President Harris who is even worse from the perspective of a Trump supporter

Trump supporters are even crazier than you. I don't think that President Harris would phase them as they have a lot of bullets.

I don't want either of them assassinated. But the lunatic arrested at the weekend with a forged inauguration pass, guns and bullets shows the threat is clear.

And if Biden and Harris are assassinated then they end up with President Pelosi who would be a Trump supporter's worst nightmare.

In any case it is highly unlikely a few crazed backwoodsmen would be able to breach the huge security cordon that now surrounds the President and Vice President or would get anywhere near enough to do so anyway

First. Anyone who thinks that assassination is a reasonable option will not be put off by the identity of the immediate replacement. They will likely see the act as symbolic, hoping to inspire others to follow their lead and overturn the entirety of the Presidential succession. Having Pelosi as an unelected Acting President would consequently be perfect (temporarily).

Second. Security of all kinds is often most vulnerable to an inside job. About one-sixth of the US population may believe in the QAnon conspiracy theory. How confident can you be that nobody in the Secret Service holds such beliefs?

You need to be intelligent to be in the Secret Service. To be a believer in QAnon you either have to be clinically insane or you have to be even thicker than the thickest Brexit apologist, and that is very thick indeed

TheScreamingEagles said:

We need to ban dog ownership, they are a menace.

If not that, they need to be on a leash and muzzled at all times.

Richmond Park dog walker fined £602 over pet's 'relentless' fatal attack on deer

Police are urging dog owners to keep their pets on a tight lead after an increase in attacks during lockdown.

A man has been fined £602 after his dog fatally injured a deer during a "relentless" attack in London's Richmond Park.

Dramatic footage filmed by a cyclist shows Franck Hiribarne's red setter, Alfie, rushing at the small hind, jumping up at her and dragging her backwards, at around 9am on 1 October last year.

Despite the efforts of several passers-by to get between the animals, forming a human barrier to stop the attack, Alfie left the deer with deep wounds to her back and tail, which was partially detached.

The hind also suffered a broken leg after being hit by a car in her attempts to get away.

She was found a short while later, collapsed in the ferns, and had to be put down by a gamekeeper.

Mr Hiribarne, from southwest London, pleaded guilty at Wimbledon Magistrates' Court on 15 January to causing or permitting an animal he was in charge of to injure another animal in a royal park. He was fined £602.

The defendant reported the incident himself to the Royal Parks Office, while witnesses - some of whom described the attack as "relentless" - spoke to officers in a passing police car.

https://news.sky.com/story/richmond-park-dog-walker-fined-163602-over-pets-relentless-fatal-attack-on-deer-12191357

What is it with dogs and Richmond Park? Fenton was the canary in the coal mine

Carnyx said:

Mexicanpete said:

Off topic

WTF, I have just been charged VAT at 20% over and above purchase price on ebay from a Chinese product for the first time. I assumed it was vat paid, but not so it seems. Apparently "according to the UK 2021 VAT e-commerce package, we will collect and remit VAT where eBay is deemed supplier". Is this another example of Brexit, the gift that keeps on giving?

Shouldn't think this is Brexit, unless it was imported into the EU first and VAT paid there.

Where was it sent from? HMRC and the Post Office/Fedex etc have beenm collecting VAT on certain items sent from outside the UK/EU for years (above a certain trigger level). Not books but e.g. hobby items (in my case).

When I bought stuff from China it usually came with 'Hobby items, $10' on the outside. Regardless of actual value.

Trying to avoid Chinese tat these days.

The Chinese VAT dodge on ebay has been going on way too long.

Malmesbury said:

Theuniondivvie said:

Not the least fault of the whole Trump shitshow is its overweening fcuking pettiness.

https://twitter.com/anneapplebaum/status/1351175420356530177?s=20

Compare and contrast with the Bush family showing the Obama family round.... complete with Obama kids using a sloped corridor as a slide, to smiles from all the adults.

Indeed. And well done Bush for that.
But for me an even starker and more telling comparison is between Obama and Trump.
Obama did a courteous and professional handover to a man who had smeared him left right & centre, including the promotion of an overtly racist conspiracy theory about his birthplace.
4 years later Trump won't admit losing the election and thus refutes the democratic process.
He foments social unrest and riots, does no transition at all, and scarpers off to Florida rather than even meet his successor and shake hands.
This gap in quality between two human beings is surely about as great as it could possibly be barring outlandish thought experiments like Katie Hopkins and Dame Judi Dench.

eek said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

JohnLilburne said:

Mary_Batty said:

MaxPB said:

RochdalePioneers said:

RobD said:

Perhaps the new UK/EU neutral zone: NI.

No, NI is the Demilitarised Zone. The EU is the Federation, we are the Cardassians. Arlene Forster is Quark.

No, if the EU is the federation then we're the Maquis. The EU is closer to the Borg though. Russia are the Orion syndicate.

And you are Wesley Crusher

Christ he was so annoying. I always hoped Worf would eat him.

Will Wheaton on the other hand is delightful.

The reason why Wesley Crusher is hated is from memory a writers strike which meant that a number of Wesley Crusher focused stories (from which only 1 was supposed to be used) all had to be used as nothing else was available.

And that he was a Gary Stu.

kinabalu said:

Malmesbury said:

Theuniondivvie said:

Not the least fault of the whole Trump shitshow is its overweening fcuking pettiness.

https://twitter.com/anneapplebaum/status/1351175420356530177?s=20

Compare and contrast with the Bush family showing the Obama family round.... complete with Obama kids using a sloped corridor as a slide, to smiles from all the adults.

Indeed. And well done Bush for that. But for me an even starker and more telling comparison is between Obama and Trump.

Obama did a courteous and professional handover to a man who had smeared him left right & centre, including the promotion of an overtly racist conspiracy theory about his birthplace. 4 years later Trump won't admit losing the election and refutes the democratic process, foments social unrest and riots, does no transition at all, and scarpers off to Florida rather than even meet his successor and shake hands.

This gap in quality between two human beings is surely about as great as it could be possibly be barring outlandish thought experiments like Katie Hopkins and Dame Judi Dench.

I'm sure with just a wee bit more healing and reconciliation Trump and his followers can change for the better. One more push, comrade!

Carnyx said:

Mexicanpete said:

Off topic

WTF, I have just been charged VAT at 20% over and above purchase price on ebay from a Chinese product for the first time. I assumed it was vat paid, but not so it seems. Apparently "according to the UK 2021 VAT e-commerce package, we will collect and remit VAT where eBay is deemed supplier". Is this another example of Brexit, the gift that keeps on giving?

Shouldn't think this is Brexit, unless it was imported into the EU first and VAT paid there.

Where was it sent from? HMRC and the Post Office/Fedex etc have beenm collecting VAT on certain items sent from outside the UK/EU for years (above a certain trigger level). Not books but e.g. hobby items (in my case).

Collected at checkout by eBay, fortunately the item was only £6.50, so no big deal. Over the years I have been hit by HMRC for customs and VAT charges for high value items from the US, Japan and Australia, via the courier, but never Chinese tat.

Good explanations on here from TSE and Thommo.

turbotubbs said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

We need to ban dog ownership, they are a menace.

If not that, they need to be on a leash and muzzled at all times.

Richmond Park dog walker fined £602 over pet's 'relentless' fatal attack on deer

Police are urging dog owners to keep their pets on a tight lead after an increase in attacks during lockdown.

A man has been fined £602 after his dog fatally injured a deer during a "relentless" attack in London's Richmond Park.

Dramatic footage filmed by a cyclist shows Franck Hiribarne's red setter, Alfie, rushing at the small hind, jumping up at her and dragging her backwards, at around 9am on 1 October last year.

Despite the efforts of several passers-by to get between the animals, forming a human barrier to stop the attack, Alfie left the deer with deep wounds to her back and tail, which was partially detached.

The hind also suffered a broken leg after being hit by a car in her attempts to get away.

She was found a short while later, collapsed in the ferns, and had to be put down by a gamekeeper.

Mr Hiribarne, from southwest London, pleaded guilty at Wimbledon Magistrates' Court on 15 January to causing or permitting an animal he was in charge of to injure another animal in a royal park. He was fined £602.

The defendant reported the incident himself to the Royal Parks Office, while witnesses - some of whom described the attack as "relentless" - spoke to officers in a passing police car.

https://news.sky.com/story/richmond-park-dog-walker-fined-163602-over-pets-relentless-fatal-attack-on-deer-12191357

Certainly they need to be under control. That need not mean muzzled, and need not mean on a lead at all times. However, like everything else, the bad owners let everyone else down.

I know, my friend had a pair of Rottweilers, he had them since they were puppies, they were the most dumb dogs you'd ever meet, it was very hard to be afraid of dogs that used to bark at their own farts and get scared of their own reflections in the patio door.

My friend said if there was ever a break in at his house, the burglars had to give the dogs some sausages and they'd help carry the TV out for them.

turbotubbs said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

We need to ban dog ownership, they are a menace.

If not that, they need to be on a leash and muzzled at all times.

Richmond Park dog walker fined £602 over pet's 'relentless' fatal attack on deer

Police are urging dog owners to keep their pets on a tight lead after an increase in attacks during lockdown.

A man has been fined £602 after his dog fatally injured a deer during a "relentless" attack in London's Richmond Park.

Dramatic footage filmed by a cyclist shows Franck Hiribarne's red setter, Alfie, rushing at the small hind, jumping up at her and dragging her backwards, at around 9am on 1 October last year.

Despite the efforts of several passers-by to get between the animals, forming a human barrier to stop the attack, Alfie left the deer with deep wounds to her back and tail, which was partially detached.

The hind also suffered a broken leg after being hit by a car in her attempts to get away.

She was found a short while later, collapsed in the ferns, and had to be put down by a gamekeeper.

Mr Hiribarne, from southwest London, pleaded guilty at Wimbledon Magistrates' Court on 15 January to causing or permitting an animal he was in charge of to injure another animal in a royal park. He was fined £602.

The defendant reported the incident himself to the Royal Parks Office, while witnesses - some of whom described the attack as "relentless" - spoke to officers in a passing police car.

https://news.sky.com/story/richmond-park-dog-walker-fined-163602-over-pets-relentless-fatal-attack-on-deer-12191357

Certainly they need to be under control. That need not mean muzzled, and need not mean on a lead at all times. However, like everything else, the bad owners let everyone else down.

There are a lot more bad owners thanks to Covid. The pavements round here are like an obstacle course thanks to non-scooping dog owners. This time last year they were clean.

Speaking of new dog owners, according to one of the front pages this morning, Boris is to relax the rules on dog-walking or something (tbh I did not read it).

RochdalePioneers said:

HYUFD said:

RochdalePioneers said:

Biden will be shot before he has chance to visit any other countries. Reagan was only 2 months in before he took a bullet, with Biden the level of crazy is dialled all the way up to Spaceforce.

The security around a US President is now far more intense than it was under Reagan and certainly than under JFK. Biden will not be allowed out of the White House without a mini army and huge Secret Service and police escort around him and snipers on every roof.

Plus if Biden was assassinated you would get President Harris who is even worse from the perspective of a Trump supporter

Trump supporters are even crazier than you. I don't think that President Harris would phase them as they have a lot of bullets.

I don't want either of them assassinated. But the lunatic arrested at the weekend with a forged inauguration pass, guns and bullets shows the threat is clear.

No it doesn't, he turned out to be a security guard.

RobD said:

Mexicanpete said:

Off topic

WTF, I have just been charged VAT at 20% over and above purchase price on ebay from a Chinese product for the first time. I assumed it was vat paid, but not so it seems. Apparently "according to the UK 2021 VAT e-commerce package, we will collect and remit VAT where eBay is deemed supplier". Is this another example of Brexit, the gift that keeps on giving?

Sounds as though you can blame the EU for that one.

So it seems...but, but where is my post Brexit, sod the EU, sovereignty bonus? I thought we had left!

Afternoon all

I'm sure any visit of Biden's to the UK will receive as much positive coverage as did Obama's first visit. I can certainly imagine plenty of cheering crowds in London and elsewhere and that will further raise the feelgood mood which we are told by some has already ensured Conservative re-election in 2024.

Why not go for a snap autumn poll, Boris - the only thing better than a majority of 80 would be a majority of 280?

kinabalu said:

Malmesbury said:

Theuniondivvie said:

Not the least fault of the whole Trump shitshow is its overweening fcuking pettiness.

https://twitter.com/anneapplebaum/status/1351175420356530177?s=20

Compare and contrast with the Bush family showing the Obama family round.... complete with Obama kids using a sloped corridor as a slide, to smiles from all the adults.

Indeed. And well done Bush for that.
But for me an even starker and more telling comparison is between Obama and Trump.
Obama did a courteous and professional handover to a man who had smeared him left right & centre, including the promotion of an overtly racist conspiracy theory about his birthplace.
4 years later Trump won't admit losing the election and thus refutes the democratic process.
He foments social unrest and riots, does no transition at all, and scarpers off to Florida rather than even meet his successor and shake hands.
This gap in quality between two human beings is surely about as great as it could possibly be barring outlandish thought experiments like Katie Hopkins and Dame Judi Dench.

But for me an even starker and more telling comparison is between {nearly anyone vaguely on the same planet as decency} and Trump.

It's a graph. In corner you have Bernie Sanders to George W. Bush. Dick Cheney even. You have to zoom out a long, long way before Trump and his ilk show up. By then, Sanders and Cheney are practically one dot.