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edited December 2020 in General
Deal – politicalbetting.com

Final delicate details of the intricate Brexit Deal being carefully worked through, by the guy sacked for making stuff up as a journalist and the woman who didn't notice that 43.5% of her PhD thesis pages contained plagiarism.

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  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,175
    edited December 2020
    Magnificent opening to this piece.

    The best since that Turkish conscript one.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,635
    Anyone who things Johnson is working through the fine delicate details of the deal is quite deluded.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,175
    The export market is worth only £90 million to the UK, with just one-fifth going to the EU. It really is small potatoes.

    I doff my cap to you.
  • YBarddCwscYBarddCwsc Posts: 7,172

    Remainers == Charlie Hawtrey.

    Leavers == Sid James ?
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,635
    @malcolmg22 sue em under the trades description act, it says "sprouts".
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    kjh said:

    Philip_Thompson said:

    Tres said:

    Philip_Thompson said:

    malcolmg22 said:

    MaxPB said:

    kinabalu said:

    MaxPB said:

    Philip_Thompson said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    Mexicanpete said:

    another_richard said:

    So what does David Cameron feel now ?

    Does he wonder what would have happened if he had actually negotiated with the EU instead of thinking it was 'too much of a faff' ?

    He should feel ashamed.
    Deep, deep, lifelong embarrassment I should think.

    The EU just never believed he would walk away. Failure of Negotiating 1.01
    And then May, Hammond and Robbins repeated that mistake.

    Some here may belittle Boris as a clown but cometh the hour, cometh the man and he was exactly the kind of unpredictable leader that was needed.
    I think it was @Casino_Royale that made the point on the aggressive fishing waters stance in no deal concentrating minds in the EU.

    Those tough stances have ensured the EU compromised and did a deal realising the UK would force the no deal to mean no deal on both sides of it. They knew with May and Robbins they'd still get preferential access to the UK without needing to give anything in return in the no deal scenario.
    "The EU caved on big points because we made them truly fear No Deal" -

    This will be a key part of the Johnson spin on the deal over the next few days and weeks. Let's see how it holds up.
    It looks as though third country status for agriculture has made it into the deal. That's a massive climbdown, the EU were absolutely adamant that the UK would have to sign up to dynamic alignment for agricultural standards for that, we haven't done the latter but we have the former.

    The EU has in many areas made concessions, and I'm sure in many areas the UK has too. I think this could be the start of a much healthier UK/EU relationship. We don't hold up their integration project and they don't impose stupid laws and regulations on us.
    Keep going you will soon have convinced yourself England is a world power again.
    England/the UK is a world power.

    We will remain so even if just England.
    A world power would not have had to kowtow to the EU's terms. We have managed to secure a trade deal with worse terms than we previously had. Hurray!
    We haven't kowtowed, we have negotiated. We now have better terms than we had before. Hooray! 🎊
    No we haven't. We have made trade and travel more difficult and introduced lots of red tape. How do we have better terms?
    Barring any shocks ...

    Not paying billions in subscription fees? ✅
    Outside of the Single Market ✅
    Outside of the Customs Union ✅
    Outside of the ECJ ✅
    Able to diverge ✅
    Laws set in Westminster ✅
    Control of our waters ✅
    Able to sign trade deals with the rest of the world ✅
    Able to decide how to control migration ✅

    I've probably missed things. What you consider worse red tape is what others wanted us to achieve to make things better.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,684
    edited December 2020
    malcolmg22 said:

    FPT

    Please note: when ordering sprouts from @Tesco
    online, quantity 1 does not mean 1 bag of sprouts. It means 1 sprout. Thank you and good night

    Flag Quote · Off Topic Like

    Please note: when ordering sprouts from @Tesco
    online, quantity 1 does not mean 1 bag of sprouts. It means 1 sprout. Thank you and good night


    Did you not wonder when you were only charged 3p for your order of sprouts that something might be up?
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,793
    RobD said:

    @malcolmg22 sue em under the trades description act, it says "sprouts".

    It does also say 22 grams ...
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,684
    Mr Grieve says the arguments in his former party over the EU are far from over, adding: "The idea that this treaty we are about to get is the end of this is incorrect.

    "Everything in the world is dynamic and it doesn't stop. The EU is going to develop, the United Kingdom is going to develop... but the geography isn't going to change.

    Is a reminder that voting Remain wasn't a vote for the status quo....the choice was out vs ever closer union.
  • felixfelix Posts: 15,180
    Any chance this seed potato thing might apply to turnips? :wink:
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 30,695
    Glad to see KentOnline know what the Brexit deal is. Apparently the deal will stop future port chaos? Erm no. Chaos is what we asked for. Unlike the Port of Dover who asked for £33m to help ease a smidge of the chaos to only get £33k. Should have hired Chris Grayling.

    https://twitter.com/Kent_Online/status/1342047174071377924
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 55,591
    Santa hits Russia in 10, 9....

    https://www.noradsanta.org/
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    Mr Meeks is slightly wrong in that the trade deal is not for life.

    One key distinction between Boris's deal and May's atrocious backstop is there are termination clauses within Boris's deal.

    That means to one extent is actually matters much less if there is bad stuff buried in the deal - we can always face that down the road. If something becomes particularly irritating we can serve notice and quit the deal unilaterally, which wasn't possible with the backstop under international law.

    This is part too of taking back control. We don't just elect a government, we then go back to the polls every five years at the max. Nothing therefore lasts for life - anything we dislike can be overturned no more than five years later. No Parliament can bind it's successors. That wasn't possible under the ratchet of the EU where once something was implemented (like Lisbon) Parliament had no real ability to turn back the clock.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,793
    edited December 2020
    felix said:

    Any chance this seed potato thing might apply to turnips? :wink:

    Easier. Edit: cos real 'seed'. Can be sterilised. Inherently not so likely to carry pests.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,258
    RobD said:

    Anyone who things Johnson is working through the fine delicate details of the deal is quite deluded.

    It's a polite fiction, like pretending politicians write their own speeches. It's worth it for what is a good line.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 64,025
    On topic, I agree that the Deal should be read in full before commenting. I have assiduously avoided doing so, except to welcome the news that one has been done.

    On services whilst I have no doubt there will be a minor GDP growth hit in the short-medium term from not having these included I think this can also be overblown.

    With equivalence for financial services, recognition of professional qualifications and short business visit visas we will be achieve the vast majority of what we want to do.

    I wouldn't want to go any further. The political costs are too high and there are better markets elsewhere.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,684
    The percentage of tests being done that produce positive results is also 22.2% in Wales, meaning more than a fifth of people getting tested have the virus.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,635
    MarqueeMark said:

    Santa hits Russia in 10, 9....

    https://www.noradsanta.org/

    Hope they've perfected the anti-Santa missiles this year, otherwise it's another twelve months we have to wait.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 52,593
    Took the dog out for a long walk in the sunshine, and thought I would come home to a deal. But it is still going to be a few hours yet, say the BBC.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,229
    By far the most dangerous and controversial economic policy of our lifetimes, post-Covid QE has exploded beyond anything previously envisaged. The historic precedents of what we are doing are clear and undeniable. And the lack of discussion and transparency surrounding this policy is utterly mad.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/12/23/lockdown-money-printing-sets-us-even-greater-covid-collapse/


    A scary read this xmas eve.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,258
    edited December 2020
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    malcolmg22 said:

    FPT

    Please note: when ordering sprouts from @Tesco
    online, quantity 1 does not mean 1 bag of sprouts. It means 1 sprout. Thank you and good night

    Flag Quote · Off Topic Like

    Please note: when ordering sprouts from @Tesco
    online, quantity 1 does not mean 1 bag of sprouts. It means 1 sprout. Thank you and good night


    Did you not wonder when you were only charged 3p for your order of sprouts that something might be up?
    If he's anything like me he may not be assiduous at checking the individual costs of things, just the total shop cost, which won't have been that far out. I've accidentally purchased two of something on Amazon many times and had to cancel things.
  • kjhkjh Posts: 13,020
    Philip_Thompson said:

    kjh said:

    Philip_Thompson said:

    Tres said:

    Philip_Thompson said:

    malcolmg22 said:

    MaxPB said:

    kinabalu said:

    MaxPB said:

    Philip_Thompson said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    Mexicanpete said:

    another_richard said:

    So what does David Cameron feel now ?

    Does he wonder what would have happened if he had actually negotiated with the EU instead of thinking it was 'too much of a faff' ?

    He should feel ashamed.
    Deep, deep, lifelong embarrassment I should think.

    The EU just never believed he would walk away. Failure of Negotiating 1.01
    And then May, Hammond and Robbins repeated that mistake.

    Some here may belittle Boris as a clown but cometh the hour, cometh the man and he was exactly the kind of unpredictable leader that was needed.
    I think it was @Casino_Royale that made the point on the aggressive fishing waters stance in no deal concentrating minds in the EU.

    Those tough stances have ensured the EU compromised and did a deal realising the UK would force the no deal to mean no deal on both sides of it. They knew with May and Robbins they'd still get preferential access to the UK without needing to give anything in return in the no deal scenario.
    "The EU caved on big points because we made them truly fear No Deal" -

    This will be a key part of the Johnson spin on the deal over the next few days and weeks. Let's see how it holds up.
    It looks as though third country status for agriculture has made it into the deal. That's a massive climbdown, the EU were absolutely adamant that the UK would have to sign up to dynamic alignment for agricultural standards for that, we haven't done the latter but we have the former.

    The EU has in many areas made concessions, and I'm sure in many areas the UK has too. I think this could be the start of a much healthier UK/EU relationship. We don't hold up their integration project and they don't impose stupid laws and regulations on us.
    Keep going you will soon have convinced yourself England is a world power again.
    England/the UK is a world power.

    We will remain so even if just England.
    A world power would not have had to kowtow to the EU's terms. We have managed to secure a trade deal with worse terms than we previously had. Hurray!
    We haven't kowtowed, we have negotiated. We now have better terms than we had before. Hooray! 🎊
    No we haven't. We have made trade and travel more difficult and introduced lots of red tape. How do we have better terms?
    Barring any shocks ...

    Not paying billions in subscription fees? ✅
    Outside of the Single Market ✅
    Outside of the Customs Union ✅
    Outside of the ECJ ✅
    Able to diverge ✅
    Laws set in Westminster ✅
    Control of our waters ✅
    Able to sign trade deals with the rest of the world ✅
    Able to decide how to control migration ✅

    I've probably missed things. What you consider worse red tape is what others wanted us to achieve to make things better.
    You think 2 and 3 are good? Not what leavers used to say.

    There is a cost to 1 which most believe is higher.

    Why would we diverge?

    From personal experience I have benefited from ECJ when Westminster sat on its hands ( can detail if you wish) through incompetence.

    8, deals negotiated on worse terms due to economy of scale.

    Control of waters - big deal

    Immigration - doubt it will have any impact on numbers but has restricted me and my children's freedom of movement.

  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,684
    edited December 2020
    IanB2 said:

    Took the dog out for a long walk in the sunshine, and thought I would come home to a deal. But it is still going to be a few hours yet, say the BBC.

    You just have to put up with Dominic Grieve having a meltdown instead to pass the time.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 56,314
    https://twitter.com/ShippersUnbound/status/1342091535685447680
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,939
    RobD said:

    @malcolmg22 sue em under the trades description act, it says "sprouts".

    We discovered the other day that "one sprout" is in fact a value of "tens of sprouts"
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,635
    williamglenn said:

    https://twitter.com/ShippersUnbound/status/1342091535685447680

    EU playing silly buggers?
  • RH1992RH1992 Posts: 788
    MarqueeMark said:

    Santa hits Russia in 10, 9....

    https://www.noradsanta.org/

    I wonder if Putin asked him to take the Sputnik vaccine as a condition of entry.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 52,593
    RobD said:

    Anyone who things Johnson is working through the fine delicate details of the deal is quite deluded.

    Since - as the lead says - both parliament and the EUP are going to have to be bounced, they are most likely playing cards to while away the amount of time potential troublemakers (aka people who will actually look at the detail) have left to read it, before the Xmas Sherry gets opened.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 30,695
    RobD said:

    williamglenn said:

    https://twitter.com/ShippersUnbound/status/1342091535685447680

    EU playing silly buggers?
    More likely a moveable feast. Been here repeatedly in the past trying to reconcile forecast A against numbers B when the reality is now C. The number was correct at the time it was taken as a snapshot but no longer is. So they need to set aside what the number now is and go back to what it was...
  • malcolmg22malcolmg22 Posts: 327
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    malcolmg22 said:

    FPT

    Please note: when ordering sprouts from @Tesco
    online, quantity 1 does not mean 1 bag of sprouts. It means 1 sprout. Thank you and good night

    Flag Quote · Off Topic Like

    Please note: when ordering sprouts from @Tesco
    online, quantity 1 does not mean 1 bag of sprouts. It means 1 sprout. Thank you and good night


    Did you not wonder when you were only charged 3p for your order of sprouts that something might be up?
    You think I ( a Genius) could be that stupid, it was not my order.
  • BluestBlueBluestBlue Posts: 4,556
    Ok, admit it - which one of you was the author of this hilarious thread?

    https://twitter.com/estellecostanza/status/1342044259743096832
  • NerysHughesNerysHughes Posts: 3,375
    Interesting stat on Sky New Website, the positivity rate for tests for Covid in the UK on the 21st October was 8.48%, on the 20th December it was 8.28%.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    kjh said:

    Philip_Thompson said:

    kjh said:

    Philip_Thompson said:

    Tres said:

    Philip_Thompson said:

    malcolmg22 said:

    MaxPB said:

    kinabalu said:

    MaxPB said:

    Philip_Thompson said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    Mexicanpete said:

    another_richard said:

    So what does David Cameron feel now ?

    Does he wonder what would have happened if he had actually negotiated with the EU instead of thinking it was 'too much of a faff' ?

    He should feel ashamed.
    Deep, deep, lifelong embarrassment I should think.

    The EU just never believed he would walk away. Failure of Negotiating 1.01
    And then May, Hammond and Robbins repeated that mistake.

    Some here may belittle Boris as a clown but cometh the hour, cometh the man and he was exactly the kind of unpredictable leader that was needed.
    I think it was @Casino_Royale that made the point on the aggressive fishing waters stance in no deal concentrating minds in the EU.

    Those tough stances have ensured the EU compromised and did a deal realising the UK would force the no deal to mean no deal on both sides of it. They knew with May and Robbins they'd still get preferential access to the UK without needing to give anything in return in the no deal scenario.
    "The EU caved on big points because we made them truly fear No Deal" -

    This will be a key part of the Johnson spin on the deal over the next few days and weeks. Let's see how it holds up.
    It looks as though third country status for agriculture has made it into the deal. That's a massive climbdown, the EU were absolutely adamant that the UK would have to sign up to dynamic alignment for agricultural standards for that, we haven't done the latter but we have the former.

    The EU has in many areas made concessions, and I'm sure in many areas the UK has too. I think this could be the start of a much healthier UK/EU relationship. We don't hold up their integration project and they don't impose stupid laws and regulations on us.
    Keep going you will soon have convinced yourself England is a world power again.
    England/the UK is a world power.

    We will remain so even if just England.
    A world power would not have had to kowtow to the EU's terms. We have managed to secure a trade deal with worse terms than we previously had. Hurray!
    We haven't kowtowed, we have negotiated. We now have better terms than we had before. Hooray! 🎊
    No we haven't. We have made trade and travel more difficult and introduced lots of red tape. How do we have better terms?
    Barring any shocks ...

    Not paying billions in subscription fees? ✅
    Outside of the Single Market ✅
    Outside of the Customs Union ✅
    Outside of the ECJ ✅
    Able to diverge ✅
    Laws set in Westminster ✅
    Control of our waters ✅
    Able to sign trade deals with the rest of the world ✅
    Able to decide how to control migration ✅

    I've probably missed things. What you consider worse red tape is what others wanted us to achieve to make things better.
    You think 2 and 3 are good? Not what leavers used to say.

    There is a cost to 1 which most believe is higher.

    Why would we diverge?

    From personal experience I have benefited from ECJ when Westminster sat on its hands ( can detail if you wish) through incompetence.

    8, deals negotiated on worse terms due to economy of scale.

    Control of waters - big deal

    Immigration - doubt it will have any impact on numbers but has restricted me and my children's freedom of movement.

    Yes 2 and 3 are good and what was voted for in the referendum.

    https://youtu.be/zSZmlGa51W4

    We would diverge because we chose to do so. Democratically.

    Our Parliament subjected to our scrutiny at elections and our Courts subjected to our Parliament's scrutiny should be the ones to decide the law. Not the ECJ.

    Restrictions on your ability to move are more theoretical than real. Most British expats go to non EU nations like Australia and Canada.
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 10,224
    An excellent and sagacious header. I wonder if today marks the end of the Boris Johnson story. It's been long, long career, but I'm struggling to identify anyone who would seriously think he has any further purpose.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 52,593
    kle4 said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    malcolmg22 said:

    FPT

    Please note: when ordering sprouts from @Tesco
    online, quantity 1 does not mean 1 bag of sprouts. It means 1 sprout. Thank you and good night

    Flag Quote · Off Topic Like

    Please note: when ordering sprouts from @Tesco
    online, quantity 1 does not mean 1 bag of sprouts. It means 1 sprout. Thank you and good night


    Did you not wonder when you were only charged 3p for your order of sprouts that something might be up?
    If he's anything like me he may not be assiduous at checking the individual costs of things, just the total shop cost, which won't have been that far out. I've accidentally purchased two of something on Amazon many times and had to cancel things.
    I had the opposite problem of ordering some building gloves on Amazon, thinking from the price that they must be decent ones, and getting a packet with about twelve pairs of cheap Chinese ones.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 28,988
    IanB2 said:

    Took the dog out for a long walk in the sunshine, and thought I would come home to a deal. But it is still going to be a few hours yet, say the BBC.

    At least you'll be popular with the dog :smile:

    Just off out on last lot of Christmas Card rounds...
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    Stark_Dawning said:

    An excellent and sagacious header. I wonder if today marks the end of the Boris Johnson story. It's been long, long career, but I'm struggling to identify anyone who would seriously think he has any further purpose.

    🙋‍♂️
  • BluestBlueBluestBlue Posts: 4,556
    Stark_Dawning said:

    An excellent and sagacious header. I wonder if today marks the end of the Boris Johnson story. It's been long, long career, but I'm struggling to identify anyone who would seriously think he has any further purpose.

    But of course - Prime Ministers often just bugger off after achieving a historic political goal because people who never voted for them in the first place think they have no further purpose...
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 52,593
    williamglenn said:

    https://twitter.com/ShippersUnbound/status/1342091535685447680

    They’re trying to count them, but they keep swimming about?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,258
    edited December 2020
    BluestBlue said:

    Ok, admit it - which one of you was the author of this hilarious thread?

    https://twitter.com/estellecostanza/status/1342044259743096832

    Has to be a parody, since it's written as though it is meant to seem like the author is the good guy, when they supposedly butted into someone else's conversation, harangued them, Godwined the conversation then objected when the other side got offended at the Godwinning, then ends with him toasting his own superiority unironically. And he doesn't quote them as saying what he then supposedly took them to task about saying, so none of it makes any sense anyway.

    So it is sadly a bit too unbelievable to be truly amusing. If I were doing a parody like that I'd have had the shop people bring it up 'So what do you think about Boris, mate?' style, like an Albanian taxi driver story.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,255
    Checks in.

    Still no deal.

    Goes back to making brandy butter and mulled wine.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,935
    I've sold EU trade deal to be agreed this year at 1.04 - hey it's not signed yet.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 28,988
    BluestBlue said:

    Ok, admit it - which one of you was the author of this hilarious thread?

    https://twitter.com/estellecostanza/status/1342044259743096832

    Reductio Ad Hitlerum in 6 tweets. On his own.

    Impressive.
  • TresTres Posts: 2,990
    "It's difficult, sometimes. Being Scottish in the south east of England. Where people genuinely like Boris Fucking Johnson.
    Anyway, peace and goodwill.
    Except for those three. Fuck them."

    So true.
  • PhilPhil Posts: 2,780
    AramintaMoonbeamQC said:

    Is it too much to hope that a deal will make Ultra Remain/Ultra Leave Twitter SHUT THE HELL UP?

    It is, I know...

    Leave/Remain looks like it’s going to be the Whig/Tory of the 21st Century sadly.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 55,591
    kle4 said:

    BluestBlue said:

    Ok, admit it - which one of you was the author of this hilarious thread?

    https://twitter.com/estellecostanza/status/1342044259743096832

    Has to be a parody, since it's written as though it is meant to seem like the author is the good guy, when they supposedly butted into someone else's conversation, harangued them, Godwined the conversation then objected when the other side got offended at the Godwinning, then ends with him toasting his own superiority unironically. And he doesn't quote them as saying what he then supposedly took them to task about saying, so none of it makes any sense anyway.

    So it is sadly a bit too unbelievable to be truly amusing. If I were doing a parody like that I'd have had the shop people bring it up 'So what do you think about Boris, mate?' style, like an Albanian taxi driver story.
    Twitter. For twats, by twats.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,258
    Fishing said:

    This deal will be like the Peace of Amiens - a deal that every man is glad of and no man is proud of.

    So TSE is right this ends with war with France? So not all bad then.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 55,591
    IanB2 said:

    williamglenn said:

    https://twitter.com/ShippersUnbound/status/1342091535685447680

    They’re trying to count them, but they keep swimming about?
    They need to be using Macron-maths. The only way they are going to tally...
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 44,627
    Philip_Thompson said:


    Laws set in Westminster ✅

    At least you're more honest than your leader and party.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,684
    Arguing over exact fish numbers, that I think will be with us for many years to come, with claims and counter-claims of just how many were actually caught.
  • BluestBlueBluestBlue Posts: 4,556
    kle4 said:

    BluestBlue said:

    Ok, admit it - which one of you was the author of this hilarious thread?

    https://twitter.com/estellecostanza/status/1342044259743096832

    Has to be a parody, since it's written as though it is meant to seem like the author is the good guy, when they supposedly butted into someone else's conversation, harangued them, Godwined the conversation then objected when the other side got offended at the Godwinning, then ends with him toasting his own superiority unironically. And he doesn't quote them as saying what he then supposedly took them to task about saying, so none of it makes any sense anyway.

    So it is sadly a bit too unbelievable to be truly amusing. If I were doing a parody like that I'd have had the shop people bring it up 'So what do you think about Boris, mate?' style, like an Albanian taxi driver story.
    The rest of his Twitter feed doesn't seem to bear out the idea of this being a parody. He's a novelist, so the whole encounter could be embellished or invented, but his political angle definitely isn't...
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,258
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Arguing over exact fish numbers, that I think will be with us for many years to come, with claims and counter-claims of just how many were actually caught.

    Those damn fishermen better deliver now, since if they catch a bit less than promised people will be pissed.
  • nichomarnichomar Posts: 7,483
    AramintaMoonbeamQC said:

    Is it too much to hope that a deal will make Ultra Remain/Ultra Leave Twitter SHUT THE HELL UP?

    It is, I know...

    And on here
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 55,591
    RH1992 said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    Santa hits Russia in 10, 9....

    https://www.noradsanta.org/

    I wonder if Putin asked him to take the Sputnik vaccine as a condition of entry.
    No presents for anyone in 2021 if so....
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 44,627
    edited December 2020
    kle4 said:

    RobD said:

    williamglenn said:

    https://twitter.com/ShippersUnbound/status/1342091535685447680

    EU playing silly buggers?
    Better they play silly buggers than bugger us silly?
    Given the existing amounts of silly, at least it would involve minimal amounts of buggering. Who knows, as Edwina suggests we might enjoy it?
  • BluestBlueBluestBlue Posts: 4,556
    MarqueeMark said:

    IanB2 said:

    williamglenn said:

    https://twitter.com/ShippersUnbound/status/1342091535685447680

    They’re trying to count them, but they keep swimming about?
    They need to be using Macron-maths. The only way they are going to tally...
    They could get some of the experts in Macron-economics to do it.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,422
    https://twitter.com/grantshapps/status/1342095691116662787?s=20
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 52,593
    edited December 2020
    BluestBlue said:

    kle4 said:

    BluestBlue said:

    Ok, admit it - which one of you was the author of this hilarious thread?

    https://twitter.com/estellecostanza/status/1342044259743096832

    Has to be a parody, since it's written as though it is meant to seem like the author is the good guy, when they supposedly butted into someone else's conversation, harangued them, Godwined the conversation then objected when the other side got offended at the Godwinning, then ends with him toasting his own superiority unironically. And he doesn't quote them as saying what he then supposedly took them to task about saying, so none of it makes any sense anyway.

    So it is sadly a bit too unbelievable to be truly amusing. If I were doing a parody like that I'd have had the shop people bring it up 'So what do you think about Boris, mate?' style, like an Albanian taxi driver story.
    The rest of his Twitter feed doesn't seem to bear out the idea of this being a parody. He's a novelist, so the whole encounter could be embellished or invented, but his political angle definitely isn't...
    We of all people know you should be wary of believing a story from someone who makes stuff up for a living....
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,684
    CarlottaVance said:

    https://twitter.com/grantshapps/status/1342095691116662787?s=20

    I think we need to stick everybody in the SE and Wales in a lorry forthwith....
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    https://twitter.com/grantshapps/status/1342095691116662787?s=20

    I think we need to stick everybody in the SE and Wales in a lorry forthwith....
    I have just been out for final few things - people still not wearing masks or only over mouth in shops - really pisses me off
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 56,314
    BluestBlue said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    IanB2 said:

    williamglenn said:

    https://twitter.com/ShippersUnbound/status/1342091535685447680

    They’re trying to count them, but they keep swimming about?
    They need to be using Macron-maths. The only way they are going to tally...
    They could get some of the experts in Macron-economics to do it.
    You just need someone who knows how to use Excel Macrons.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,258
    Theuniondivvie said:

    kle4 said:

    RobD said:

    williamglenn said:

    https://twitter.com/ShippersUnbound/status/1342091535685447680

    EU playing silly buggers?
    Better they play silly buggers than bugger us silly?
    Given the existing amounts of silly, at least it would involve minimal amounts of buggering. Who knows, as Edwina suggests we might enjoy it?
    Well, the New Year is generally a time for trying out new things...
  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,823
    edited December 2020
    AramintaMoonbeamQC said:

    Is it too much to hope that a deal will make Ultra Remain/Ultra Leave Twitter SHUT THE HELL UP?

    It is, I know...

    If a 'like' is worth a thousand words you might be disappointed your post was liked exclusively by Leaver Ultras.....

    Good entertaining header Alastair.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,684
    https://twitter.com/peterdonaghy/status/1342097437033439232?s=20
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,635
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Arguing over exact fish numbers, that I think will be with us for many years to come, with claims and counter-claims of just how many were actually caught.

    Yep, and after the five-year transition it is annual negotiations for the full catch, I think.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,258
    Roger said:

    AramintaMoonbeamQC said:

    Is it too much to hope that a deal will make Ultra Remain/Ultra Leave Twitter SHUT THE HELL UP?

    It is, I know...

    If a 'like' is worth a thousand words you might wonder why your post was liked exclusively by leavers.....

    Good entertaining header Alastair.
    That depends what you mean by Leavers and Remainers, since I for one changed my mind and advocated even so extreme a measure as voting Corbyn so we could get a second referendum to Remain, a position I doubt is endorsed by others who liked that post.

    Only extremists think it is as simple as which way someone voted in 2016 alone.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 56,314
    Daniel Hannan complains about the "debilitating culture war" over Brexit. In other news, arsonist complains about the number of fires...

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-9084435/Lets-leave-culture-war-time-writes-former-MEP-DANIEL-HANNAN.html
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,635
    kle4 said:

    Roger said:

    AramintaMoonbeamQC said:

    Is it too much to hope that a deal will make Ultra Remain/Ultra Leave Twitter SHUT THE HELL UP?

    It is, I know...

    If a 'like' is worth a thousand words you might wonder why your post was liked exclusively by leavers.....

    Good entertaining header Alastair.
    That depends what you mean by Leavers and Remainers, since I for one changed my mind and advocated even so extreme a measure as voting Corbyn so we could get a second referendum to Remain, a position I doubt is endorsed by others who liked that post.

    Only extremists think it is as simple as which way someone voted in 2016 alone.
    Forget it, you are tainted.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 28,988
    williamglenn said:

    BluestBlue said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    IanB2 said:

    williamglenn said:

    https://twitter.com/ShippersUnbound/status/1342091535685447680

    They’re trying to count them, but they keep swimming about?
    They need to be using Macron-maths. The only way they are going to tally...
    They could get some of the experts in Macron-economics to do it.
    You just need someone who knows how to use Excel Macrons.
    Personally I'd prefer Coconut Macrons.
  • nichomarnichomar Posts: 7,483
    Reading these comments it sounds like doing an autopsy without a body, it will be what it is so let’s leave it until after Xmas and see how it goes. Might save some people from embarrassment in days to come.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,258
    RobD said:

    kle4 said:

    Roger said:

    AramintaMoonbeamQC said:

    Is it too much to hope that a deal will make Ultra Remain/Ultra Leave Twitter SHUT THE HELL UP?

    It is, I know...

    If a 'like' is worth a thousand words you might wonder why your post was liked exclusively by leavers.....

    Good entertaining header Alastair.
    That depends what you mean by Leavers and Remainers, since I for one changed my mind and advocated even so extreme a measure as voting Corbyn so we could get a second referendum to Remain, a position I doubt is endorsed by others who liked that post.

    Only extremists think it is as simple as which way someone voted in 2016 alone.
    Forget it, you are tainted.
    Well I know that - I also voted Tory at a GE once.

    I hasten to add I did not vote for Corbyn, but advocated enough people do so to get a hung parliament that would enable a referendum. Fortunately there's no point voting Labour round here, so I didn't have to face that option.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 44,627
    williamglenn said:

    Daniel Hannan complains about the "debilitating culture war" over Brexit. In other news, arsonist complains about the number of fires...

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-9084435/Lets-leave-culture-war-time-writes-former-MEP-DANIEL-HANNAN.html

    Will he be Baron Hannan of Stock Photo?
  • MattWMattW Posts: 28,988
    kle4 said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Arguing over exact fish numbers, that I think will be with us for many years to come, with claims and counter-claims of just how many were actually caught.

    Those damn fishermen better deliver now, since if they catch a bit less than promised people will be pissed.
    Roughly I make it a doubling of the UK whatever-it-is over 5 years.

    Depending on the detail ...
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 56,314
    MattW said:

    williamglenn said:

    BluestBlue said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    IanB2 said:

    williamglenn said:

    https://twitter.com/ShippersUnbound/status/1342091535685447680

    They’re trying to count them, but they keep swimming about?
    They need to be using Macron-maths. The only way they are going to tally...
    They could get some of the experts in Macron-economics to do it.
    You just need someone who knows how to use Excel Macrons.
    Personally I'd prefer Coconut Macrons.
    You must be hoping the deal lasts for La Durée.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,684
    edited December 2020
    Marcus Rashford to fight for permanent rise in universal credit

    The footballer and food poverty campaigner Marcus Rashford is to turn his focus to the social security safety net and will hold talks with the welfare secretary to discuss a £6bn-a-year boost to universal credit payments, the Guardian has learned.

    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020/dec/24/marcus-rashford-to-fight-for-permanent-rise-in-universal-credit

    Only £6bn......
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 44,627
    williamglenn said:

    BluestBlue said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    IanB2 said:

    williamglenn said:

    https://twitter.com/ShippersUnbound/status/1342091535685447680

    They’re trying to count them, but they keep swimming about?
    They need to be using Macron-maths. The only way they are going to tally...
    They could get some of the experts in Macron-economics to do it.
    You just need someone who knows how to use Excel Macrons.
    Not PHE obvs..
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,684
    Apparently, no announcement until at least this evening now.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,635
    kle4 said:

    RobD said:

    kle4 said:

    Roger said:

    AramintaMoonbeamQC said:

    Is it too much to hope that a deal will make Ultra Remain/Ultra Leave Twitter SHUT THE HELL UP?

    It is, I know...

    If a 'like' is worth a thousand words you might wonder why your post was liked exclusively by leavers.....

    Good entertaining header Alastair.
    That depends what you mean by Leavers and Remainers, since I for one changed my mind and advocated even so extreme a measure as voting Corbyn so we could get a second referendum to Remain, a position I doubt is endorsed by others who liked that post.

    Only extremists think it is as simple as which way someone voted in 2016 alone.
    Forget it, you are tainted.
    Well I know that - I also voted Tory at a GE once.

    I hasten to add I did not vote for Corbyn, but advocated enough people do so to get a hung parliament that would enable a referendum. Fortunately there's no point voting Labour round here, so I didn't have to face that option.
    Double taint :o Tell me, have you also eaten a slice of pineapple pizza? :)
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,258
    RobD said:

    kle4 said:

    RobD said:

    kle4 said:

    Roger said:

    AramintaMoonbeamQC said:

    Is it too much to hope that a deal will make Ultra Remain/Ultra Leave Twitter SHUT THE HELL UP?

    It is, I know...

    If a 'like' is worth a thousand words you might wonder why your post was liked exclusively by leavers.....

    Good entertaining header Alastair.
    That depends what you mean by Leavers and Remainers, since I for one changed my mind and advocated even so extreme a measure as voting Corbyn so we could get a second referendum to Remain, a position I doubt is endorsed by others who liked that post.

    Only extremists think it is as simple as which way someone voted in 2016 alone.
    Forget it, you are tainted.
    Well I know that - I also voted Tory at a GE once.

    I hasten to add I did not vote for Corbyn, but advocated enough people do so to get a hung parliament that would enable a referendum. Fortunately there's no point voting Labour round here, so I didn't have to face that option.
    Double taint :o Tell me, have you also eaten a slice of pineapple pizza? :)
    Some lines even I am not shameless and lacking in self respect enough to cross.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 56,314
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Apparently, no announcement until at least this evening now.

    - Shall we deal?
    - Yes, let's deal.
    [They do No Deal.]
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,422
    Wonder where he's ringing round from?

    https://twitter.com/SamCoatesSky/status/1342100906192592896?s=20
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,684
    Social distancing?

    https://twitter.com/joepike/status/1342104292241661952?s=20
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,684
    https://twitter.com/joepike/status/1342101006335799297?s=20
  • TrèsDifficileTrèsDifficile Posts: 1,729
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Marcus Rashford to fight for permanent rise in universal credit

    The footballer and food poverty campaigner Marcus Rashford is to turn his focus to the social security safety net and will hold talks with the welfare secretary to discuss a £6bn-a-year boost to universal credit payments, the Guardian has learned.

    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020/dec/24/marcus-rashford-to-fight-for-permanent-rise-in-universal-credit

    Only £6bn......

    How much of his ten million a year does he need?
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Marcus Rashford to fight for permanent rise in universal credit

    The footballer and food poverty campaigner Marcus Rashford is to turn his focus to the social security safety net and will hold talks with the welfare secretary to discuss a £6bn-a-year boost to universal credit payments, the Guardian has learned.

    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020/dec/24/marcus-rashford-to-fight-for-permanent-rise-in-universal-credit

    Only £6bn......

    It will be kept is my prediction.

    It's always easier to give (or to freeze) something than to take it away once given.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 56,314
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    https://twitter.com/joepike/status/1342101006335799297?s=20

    "We managed to negotiate an OBE for you!"
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,258
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    https://twitter.com/joepike/status/1342101006335799297?s=20

    Many MPs now to be in a huff because turns out they don't count as 'key'.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,422
    https://twitter.com/JakubKrupa/status/1342103016636350466?s=20
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,684
    edited December 2020
    Philip_Thompson said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Marcus Rashford to fight for permanent rise in universal credit

    The footballer and food poverty campaigner Marcus Rashford is to turn his focus to the social security safety net and will hold talks with the welfare secretary to discuss a £6bn-a-year boost to universal credit payments, the Guardian has learned.

    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020/dec/24/marcus-rashford-to-fight-for-permanent-rise-in-universal-credit

    Only £6bn......

    It will be kept is my prediction.

    It's always easier to give (or to freeze) something than to take it away once given.
    And once you give in to somebody, it makes it even harder to then turn around and say no....and this government are crap at both the PR war e.g. I don't think most people even knew their had been a rise in the first place, all they heard was nasty evil government taking away free school meals (which wasn't true either), and sticking to something that might be unpopular.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,684
    edited December 2020
    And these people are supposed expert commentators on the game? FFS, they are as bad as the media on COVID.

    https://twitter.com/IanDarke/status/1341904890914885641?s=20
  • TrèsDifficileTrèsDifficile Posts: 1,729
    TrèsDifficile said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Marcus Rashford to fight for permanent rise in universal credit

    The footballer and food poverty campaigner Marcus Rashford is to turn his focus to the social security safety net and will hold talks with the welfare secretary to discuss a £6bn-a-year boost to universal credit payments, the Guardian has learned.

    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020/dec/24/marcus-rashford-to-fight-for-permanent-rise-in-universal-credit

    Only £6bn......

    How much of his ten million a year does he need?
    Make that fifteen
    https://metro.co.uk/2020/12/19/man-utd-preparing-new-contract-for-marcus-rashford-with-huge-pay-rise-13777255/
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 56,314
    Boris Johnson has obviously learnt from Theresa May's mistake when the second her deal was announced, it was denounced on TV by the likes of Boris Johnson.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 32,198
    MarqueeMark said:

    Santa hits Russia in 10, 9....

    https://www.noradsanta.org/

    Ironically, it is not Christmas in Russia till January the 7th, per the Orthodox Church.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,823
    TrèsDifficile said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Marcus Rashford to fight for permanent rise in universal credit

    The footballer and food poverty campaigner Marcus Rashford is to turn his focus to the social security safety net and will hold talks with the welfare secretary to discuss a £6bn-a-year boost to universal credit payments, the Guardian has learned.

    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020/dec/24/marcus-rashford-to-fight-for-permanent-rise-in-universal-credit

    Only £6bn......

    How much of his ten million a year does he need?
    Should he not be able to campaign?
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,994
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    https://twitter.com/joepike/status/1342101006335799297?s=20

    I suspect Steve Baker is the key. If he's happy, most of the rest will fold. Just leaving IDS and Francois, and maybe a handful of unknown nutters. Farage doesn't matter.
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