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  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,082
    UK case summary

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    UK hospitals

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    UK deaths

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  • Jesus fecking wept

    https://twitter.com/GaryBurgessCI/status/1335622212133515265?s=20

    That's the UK equivalent of 66,000 new cases per day. It will be distorted because yesterday's figures were low (23) because of a technical issue - but even averaging them still leaves you with a UK equivalent of 41,000 cases/day for each of the last 3 days......

    Guernsey new cases: zero (despite testing all arrivals and being in peak "student returns")
    Guernsey total cases: four
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022
    RobD said:

    Why is it not acceptable for a private company to restrict who can travel on their planes when the passenger may be a risk to others?
    Plenty of businesses are going to want to see either a very recent test or a vaccine certificate. Airlines, sports stadiums, theatres, nightclubs, festivals, conferences - all the things that have remained closed up until now, because of the impossibility of social distancing. If they can open up six months earlier than would otherwise be the case, they’ll be making money and not relying on government support.

    It’s also a great way to get the young, especially young men who often drop off the NHS radar, to come forward for vaccination.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,082
    UK R

    From case data

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    From hospitalisation date

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  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,706
    HYUFD said:

    The USA has never really been an Empire, a superpower yes but not an Empire
    What's your definition of an Empire?
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,617

    Jesus fecking wept

    https://twitter.com/GaryBurgessCI/status/1335622212133515265?s=20

    That's the UK equivalent of 66,000 new cases per day. It will be distorted because yesterday's figures were low (23) because of a technical issue - but even averaging them still leaves you with a UK equivalent of 41,000 cases/day for each of the last 3 days......

    Guernsey new cases: zero (despite testing all arrivals and being in peak "student returns")
    Guernsey total cases: four

    What's the population ratio (roughly)?
  • What a finish by Son.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,513

    What a finish by Son.

    Assist stats can be misleading. Not complaining, though (Fantasy Football perspective anyway).
  • tlg86 said:

    Assist stats can be misleading. Not complaining, though (Fantasy Football perspective anyway).
    Indeed, could be worse.

    https://twitter.com/conorlowe13/status/1335598063386206208
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,513

    Indeed, could be worse.

    https://twitter.com/conorlowe13/status/1335598063386206208
    Been there, got the t-shirt.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,318
    HYUFD said:

    The USA has never really been an Empire, a superpower yes but not an Empire
    It’s a good job the people of Hawaii, the Philippines, Puerto Rico, Dakota, Oklahoma and New Mexico weren’t overwhelmed by the imperial outreach of the USA.

    Imagine how miserable their lives would have been if they had been conquered, their lands and money seized and their resources ruthlessly exploited while anyone who resisted was shot.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,617
    https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/brexit-internal-market-bill-scotland-wales_uk_5fca9911c5b63a153451b9bb?kf

    Interesting piece arguing that someone in the "UK" Cabinet is actually using a small portion of brain to consider the implications of the IMB's attack on devolution in Scotland and Wales. Not sure I buy it, giuven the inherent improbability, but it's not Mr J who is being fingered. And we will see what happens.
  • On topic, I think there are several problems with "Trump TV":

    1. It's a tricky one for advertisers and many of the big ones will take a pass. That's a problem for revenues.

    2. It's a competitive market and channels need to respond to their audience to prosper, not to an audience of one in Mar-a-Largo. Trump has many fans, but in six months or a year, they won't still be watching unless the service is as good as or better than Fox from their point of view. Pandering to the whims and obsessions of one peculiar man as he gets older and still odder just doesn't produce popular TV.

    3. Trump has become notorious as President for appointing people then throwing them under a bus within 18 months. Which quality candidates want to seriously damage their career for the sake of a humiliating stint as an exec or "journalist" with Trump TV? That in turn adversely affects quality.

    This, if it happens, is going the way of Trump University, Trump Steaks, Trump Casino etc - fanfare launch, fairly quickly into a spiral of decline.
  • What's your definition of an Empire?
    American Samoa, Guam, the Northern Mariana Islands, Puerto Rico the U.S. Virgin Islands, the Philippines, Micronesia, the Marshall Islands, Hawaii and Palau, say hello.....
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,558
    edited December 2020
    tlg86 said:

    Been there, got the t-shirt.
    I once transferred Aguero out of my team the day before he scored five against Newcastle and he was normally my captain.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,617

    American Samoa, Guam, the Northern Mariana Islands, Puerto Rico the U.S. Virgin Islands, the Philippines, Micronesia, the Marshall Islands, Hawaii and Palau, say hello.....
    Arguably the South Pole too.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 31,160
    tlg86 said:

    But that’s precisely the point. It is and always has been Black Lives Matter. Capital letters as pointed out by Eustace. It’s no good trying to pretend it’s something else when it becomes awkward.
    I thought it a weasely intimation from the Ministe. Although it may turn out to be quite a useful dog whistle from Eustice.

    It seems everyone on the front bench is currently on manoeuvres.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,318
    Carnyx said:

    Arguably the South Pole too.
    There’s Norway they can claim that.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,901
    edited December 2020
    ydoethur said:

    It’s a good job the people of Hawaii, the Philippines, Puerto Rico, Dakota, Oklahoma and New Mexico weren’t overwhelmed by the imperial outreach of the USA.

    Imagine how miserable their lives would have been if they had been conquered, their lands and money seized and their resources ruthlessly exploited while anyone who resisted was shot.
    The Native Americans would like a word too.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,318
    dixiedean said:

    The Native Americans would like a word too.
    Dakota and Oklahoma were on my list.
  • ClippPClippP Posts: 1,961

    Has Priti Patel hijacked TSE's account?
    I think it is just Mr Eagles turning up in his true colours, as a Indian thug.
  • ydoethur said:

    Dakota and Oklahoma were on my list.
    The difference between the USA and most Empires is that the USA absorbed most of what they conquered as part of their nation. A few islands are the exception.

    So Dakota and Oklahoma were absorbed as part of the federal USA rather than being kept as an imperial territory subjected.

    America is more of an aggressive country than a traditional Empire.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,650

    On topic, I think there are several problems with "Trump TV":

    1. It's a tricky one for advertisers and many of the big ones will take a pass. That's a problem for revenues.

    2. It's a competitive market and channels need to respond to their audience to prosper, not to an audience of one in Mar-a-Largo. Trump has many fans, but in six months or a year, they won't still be watching unless the service is as good as or better than Fox from their point of view. Pandering to the whims and obsessions of one peculiar man as he gets older and still odder just doesn't produce popular TV.

    3. Trump has become notorious as President for appointing people then throwing them under a bus within 18 months. Which quality candidates want to seriously damage their career for the sake of a humiliating stint as an exec or "journalist" with Trump TV? That in turn adversely affects quality.

    This, if it happens, is going the way of Trump University, Trump Steaks, Trump Casino etc - fanfare launch, fairly quickly into a spiral of decline.

    Farage to be the main anchor?
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 20,100
    Fwor what a start in the F1
  • Fwor what a start in the F1

    Loving this! Though it would be great if a Bahrain GP could complete a first lap without a safety car...
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,901
    ydoethur said:

    Dakota and Oklahoma were on my list.
    Indeed. But those were only the most egregious ones.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,455
    Header: There's no way to individually assess good bets or bad bets in that you can't know what the chance of any actual outcome was before it happened. If there was though then I'd have the header bet as one of the worst ever recommended on PB! (And in a header too)

    What do I know though. TSE hobknobs with the god and the great - it's rumored he's even met Mike!

    Empire USA: They've done it in a different way. Better mostly, although they tend to sweep many of the early wars of conquest under the carpet. There's no way to do Imperialism well other than as a bit of a fluke. There are places across the Former British Empire that can see almost no wrong in it - I presume that was true of the Romans and is likely to be true of all Empires.

  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,318
    dixiedean said:

    Indeed. But those were only the most egregious ones.
    The point being, those were the ones annexed by the USA despite having been set aside as non-American territory in exchange for seizures elsewhere.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 44,025
    Stocky said:

    Because we should not be dictated to by private companies. They serve us. The extent, or not, of the liberties we enjoy is the business of elected governments.
    They just ask for proof up front and refuse to sell you a ticket, simple. Your contract is subject to you having such proof.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,901
    ydoethur said:

    The point being, those were the ones annexed by the USA despite having been set aside as non-American territory in exchange for seizures elsewhere.
    Ah I see. Fair enough then.
    It seems America asserts it isn't an Empire rather more frequently and loudly than any other non-empire finds necessary.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 44,025
    edited December 2020
    Tres said:

    "All lives matters" is just another trope for racists.
    Can you explain why on that, serious question. Surely everyone's life is equal.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,082
    So it looks like London, Wales, Northern Ireland and the South East are heading for more severe measures.

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  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 20,100
    edited December 2020
    malcolmg said:

    Can you explain why on that, serious question. Surely everyone's life is equal.
    Don't be a pillock. When you say "save the whales" you don't mean "fuck all other marine life". "All lives matter" is just what bigots and racists say to devalue the statement that "black lives matter".
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 44,025

    I noticed that at that Millwall game one of the players didn't kneel. Instead he stood and raised a fist.

    I think that is what I would do. Show solidarity, but on your own terms.

    Better than being a sheep.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,901

    So it looks like London, Wales, Northern Ireland and the South East are heading for more severe measures.

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    Was just about to ask you your opinion on exactly that point.
    Meanwhile, here in Tier 3 Tyneside we have no LA in the Top 50 on the per capita cases measure. And they are falling in real and relative terms daily.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,861
    ydoethur said:

    It’s a good job the people of Hawaii, the Philippines, Puerto Rico, Dakota, Oklahoma and New Mexico weren’t overwhelmed by the imperial outreach of the USA.

    Imagine how miserable their lives would have been if they had been conquered, their lands and money seized and their resources ruthlessly exploited while anyone who resisted was shot.
    The only one of those which are not part of the present USA is the Phillippines and it was only held for 50 years by the US before being given independence after being part of the Spanish Empire.

    To be an Empire you have to have taken control of large numbers of countries and territories which are not part of your home nation
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 20,100
    I don't understand Jersey. The nation only has a population of 100k. Can't they just lockdown and test everyone?
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 20,100
    HYUFD said:

    The only one of those which are not part of the present USA is the Phillippines and it was only held for 50 years by the US before being given independence after being part of the Spanish Empire.

    To be an Empire you have to have taken control of large numbers of countries and territories which are not part of your home nation
    Says who? Says you?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,318
    edited December 2020
    HYUFD said:

    The only one of those which are not part of the present USA is the Phillippines and it was only held for 50 years by the US before being given independence after being part of the Spanish Empire.

    To be an Empire you have to have taken control of large numbers of countries and territories which are not part of your home nation
    Oh well, only fifty years,* that’s all right then. Even if ‘being Given independence’ was not to put it mildly a very generous assessment of what happened to the Philippines after 1946.

    If you ever want to throw up, read Taft’s report on the Philippines, where he says how very lucky these ignorant savages are to be ruled by nice Americans rather than horrid Europeans. Even Kipling would have blushed on reading it.

    Edit - as for your last point, like the Yanks did in the later nineteenth century (and before, of course).

    *To be exact, 48 years.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670

    Owen Farrell should be publicly flogged.

    Actually so should the rest of this England side.

    If they lose this match I wouldn't object if they were injected with Covid-19.

    Don't worry. Brace saw you over the line.
  • HYUFD said:

    The only one of those which are not part of the present USA is the Phillippines and it was only held for 50 years by the US before being given independence after being part of the Spanish Empire.

    To be an Empire you have to have taken control of large numbers of countries and territories which are not part of your home nation
    Puerto Rico hasn't been granted Statehood despite repeatedly voting for it, including last month.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,336
    edited December 2020

    Says who? Says you?
    I thought that was a generally accepted definition of an empire? A large territory consisting of vassal states.
  • GaussianGaussian Posts: 831

    So it looks like London, Wales, Northern Ireland and the South East are heading for more severe measures.

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    Very concerning that parts of England are already above 1 before the end of the lockdown can have affected the numbers.

    Today's reported cases for England was 14,294 vs 10,054 last Sunday.

    Also worth noting that most of the population of Scotland is in level 3 or 4 measures, yet it's only enough for cases to very slowly drift down. That doesn't bode well for Wales, where the latest measures apparently are roughly equivalent to level 3.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,650
    tlg86 said:

    But that’s precisely the point. It is and always has been Black Lives Matter. Capital letters as pointed out by Eustace. It’s no good trying to pretend it’s something else when it becomes awkward.
    A movement against anti black racism should not have to declare a wider scope in order to command support. If this is your point I have no problem with it.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 20,100
    RobD said:

    I thought that was a generally accepted definition of an empire? A large territory consisting of vassal states.
    So did France not have an empire because they integrated their colonial possessions into France proper?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,861

    Puerto Rico hasn't been granted Statehood despite repeatedly voting for it, including last month.
    It still has a resident commissioner within Congress and is a US territory, not a colony
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 20,100
    edited December 2020
    HYUFD said:

    It still has a resident commissioner within Congress and is a US territory, not a colony
    You just don't want to class the USA as an empire because it might get in the way of your British Empire wank-a-thon.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,442

    American Samoa, Guam, the Northern Mariana Islands, Puerto Rico the U.S. Virgin Islands, the Philippines, Micronesia, the Marshall Islands, Hawaii and Palau, say hello.....
    What is the continental US if not occupied territory ?
    Though admittedly some chunks of it before the states united.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,336

    So did France not have an empire because they integrated their colonial possessions into France proper?
    That might be true for the North African colonies, but was it true for mandates like in the middle east?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,318

    Puerto Rico hasn't been granted Statehood despite repeatedly voting for it, including last month.

    You would hope that is one long standing injustice and anomaly that Biden will look to correct. But he would need the votes in the Senate.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 20,100
    edited December 2020
    RobD said:

    That might be true for the North African colonies, but was it true for mandates like in the middle east?
    You're moving the goalposts for @HYUFD.

    If an Empire means you don't integrate colonial possessions then France doesn't count. If it does, then the USA does count.

    This is just @HYUFD HYUFD-splaining the definition of Empire. Typical.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,318

    It is but it's also obnoxious and unnecessary, only said to cause offence and stir trouble.

    It's like if Liverpool fans hold a minute's silence for the 96, or say Justice for the 96, then people interrupt that with a counterprotest banners saying "it should be justice for everyone".

    All lives do matter. Everyone should get justice. The reason people said Justice for the 96 was because the 96 were denied justice though. The reason people say Black Lives Matter is because black lives are treated like they don't matter.
    That said, Priyamvada Gopal is still an obnoxious pillock at the very least for saying ‘white lives don’t matter, as white lives.‘
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,336

    You're moving the goalposts for @HYUFD.

    If an Empire means you don't integrate colonial possessions then France doesn't count. If it does, then the USA does count.

    This is just @HYUFD HYUFD-splaining the definition of Empire. Typical.
    I'm not moving anything. Only a few areas of France's colonial empire was integrated into France proper. I don't think it is comparable to the US, where the vast majority was.
  • ydoethur said:

    You would hope that is one long standing injustice and anomaly that Biden will look to correct. But he would need the votes in the Senate.
    He should have the votes in the Senate if it comes to a vote, since many Republicans like Rubio are longstanding advocates of PR statehood, but I can see McConnell refusing to allow the vote. That is a warped system they have.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,082

    Yep agree entirely.

    Edit.

    I am afraid some of our freedom espousing libertarian types forget that the basic principle of their creed (my creed as it happens) is that it is as much about individual personal responsibility as individual personal rights. They want the rights but don't seem to be interested in the responsibilities. They are a poor advert for their supposed beliefs and it is sad to see how many of them there are out there.
    I think that we will find that vaccination passports will be created by default - GPs letters that x has been vaccinated on day y.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 20,100
    RobD said:

    I'm not moving anything. Only a few areas of France's colonial empire was integrated into France proper. I don't think it is comparable to the US, where the vast majority was.
    Exactly - the definiton of "Empire" is blurry. It isn't obvious and clear cut as @HYUFD wants us to think.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,318
    RobD said:

    I'm not moving anything. Only a few areas of France's colonial empire was integrated into France proper. I don't think it is comparable to the US, where the vast majority was.
    Those areas of the empire closest to France (Corsica, Algeria) were integrated, albeit badly, and they correspond most closely to the US expansion across the continent.

    Or Britain and Ireland, perhaps.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,336

    Exactly - the definiton of "Empire" is blurry. It isn't obvious and clear cut as @HYUFD wants us to think.
    How does that prove it is blurry if the argument is that the US isn't an empire?
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,617

    Exactly - the definiton of "Empire" is blurry. It isn't obvious and clear cut as @HYUFD wants us to think.
    Argentina, the classic banana republics, and so on.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,861

    So did France not have an empire because they integrated their colonial possessions into France proper?
    The French Empire covered most of North Africa, Vietnam, Syria etc it was far larger than the extent of any US overseas possessions ever was and while Algeria may have been incorporated within France, Morocco, Vietnam, Syria etc were not
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 20,100
    HYUFD said:

    The French Empire covered most of North Africa, Vietnam, Syria etc it was far larger than the extent of any US overseas possessions ever was and while Algeria may have been incorporated within France, Morocco, Vietnam, Syria etc were not
    Oh, so is it only an Empire if the possessions are "overseas"? That rules out the Russian Empire I guess.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,082
    ydoethur said:

    That said, Priyamvada Gopal is still an obnoxious pillock at the very least for saying ‘white lives don’t matter, as white lives.‘
    Challenge -

    - Find any cause in the history of the world
    - You will find at least one obnoxious arse who, using said cause, has advocated all kind of horrible shite.
    - I am not aware of any cause/belief system for which this is not true.
  • ydoethur said:

    That said, Priyamvada Gopal is still an obnoxious pillock at the very least for saying ‘white lives don’t matter, as white lives.‘
    100% agreed.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,336

    Oh, so is it only an Empire if the possessions are "overseas"? That rules out the Russian Empire I guess.
    Alaska says hello. ;)
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 20,100

    Oh, so is it only an Empire if the possessions are "overseas"? That rules out the Russian Empire I guess.
    Let's not forget the Empire of Brazil also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empire_of_Brazil
  • ydoethur said:

    That said, Priyamvada Gopal is still an obnoxious pillock at the very least for saying ‘white lives don’t matter, as white lives.‘
    Fake news.

    https://www.varsity.co.uk/news/20190
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 20,100
    RobD said:

    Alaska says hello. ;)
    Did Russia cease to be an Empire when it sold Alaska?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,861

    Oh, so is it only an Empire if the possessions are "overseas"? That rules out the Russian Empire I guess.
    Nope, included within my original definition 'To be an Empire you have to have taken control of large numbers of countries which are not part of your home nation'
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,455

    It is but it's also obnoxious and unnecessary, only said to cause offence and stir trouble.

    It's like if Liverpool fans hold a minute's silence for the 96, or say Justice for the 96, then people interrupt that with a counterprotest banners saying "it should be justice for everyone".

    All lives do matter. Everyone should get justice. The reason people said Justice for the 96 was because the 96 were denied justice though. The reason people say Black Lives Matter is because black lives are treated like they don't matter.
    These things;

    "All lives do matter. Everyone should get justice."

    Wildly ambiguous - I certainly agree with the first - no idea what it equates to though. I worry about what justice means in the second.

    I think society is more about unwritten pacts.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,617
    edited December 2020

    Oh, so is it only an Empire if the possessions are "overseas"? That rules out the Russian Empire I guess.
    The Austro-Hungarian Empire; the Kaiser's Empire; The Holy Roman and plain Roman Empire; the Byzantines; and the Third Reich all say Heil/Ave/Chairete.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 20,100
    HYUFD said:

    Nope, included within my original definition 'To be an Empire you have to have taken control of large numbers of countries which are not part of your home nation'
    So you agree the USA was an Empire then. Glad we agree.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,336

    Did Russia cease to be an Empire when it sold Alaska?
    No, it was a large territory consisting of several distinct peoples ruled by a single authority. As I said earlier, one of the generally accepted definitions of an empire.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 20,100
    RobD said:

    No, it was a large territory consisting of several distinct peoples ruled by a single authority. As I said earlier, one of the generally accepted definitions of an empire.
    "distinct peoples" is arbitrary. Is modern Spain an Empire?
  • YorkcityYorkcity Posts: 4,382

    It is but it's also obnoxious and unnecessary, only said to cause offence and stir trouble.

    It's like if Liverpool fans hold a minute's silence for the 96, or say Justice for the 96, then people interrupt that with a counterprotest banners saying "it should be justice for everyone".

    All lives do matter. Everyone should get justice. The reason people said Justice for the 96 was because the 96 were denied justice though. The reason people say Black Lives Matter is because black lives are treated like they don't matter.
    That is the post of the day for me, well said philip.
    Good to hear the Spurs fans clap, when the players took the knee.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,318

    Challenge -

    - Find any cause in the history of the world
    - You will find at least one obnoxious arse who, using said cause, has advocated all kind of horrible shite.
    - I am not aware of any cause/belief system for which this is not true.
    Undoubtedly. But that’s separate from the question of whether she should have played the race card to get away with a fairly blatant act of racism, and indeed whether Cambridge should have let her.

    Admittedly, compared to the wider issue it’s a small point. But equally, since many leading BLM activists are themselves pretty nasty human beings, her addition toor subtraction from the movement would make little difference to that.

    The problem with Gopal was that it distracted from the legitimate message - that black lives matter - and gave huge amounts of ammunition to those saying they were all just nuts.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,617

    "distinct peoples" is arbitrary. Is modern Spain an Empire?
    Is England under HYUFD an Empire? He did say how much he apprtoved of General Franco the other day.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,336

    "distinct peoples" is arbitrary. Is modern Spain an Empire?
    I literally used the definition from the first sentence in the wikipedia article.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 44,025

    Don't be a pillock. When you say "save the whales" you don't mean "fuck all other marine life". "All lives matter" is just what bigots and racists say to devalue the statement that "black lives matter".
    F*** you as well. What kind of idiot gets from save the whales to "f*** all other marine life". If you cannot answer a question civilly then don't make an arse of yourself.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 20,100
    edited December 2020
    RobD said:

    I literally used the definition from the first sentence in the wikipedia article.
    You're going round in circles.

    If Russia was an Empire, If Brazil was an Empire, if Austria-Hungary was an Empire, then the USA was an Empire. The fact that the continuous USA is still one nation state is neither here nor there.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,861
    Carnyx said:

    Is England under HYUFD an Empire? He did say how much he apprtoved of General Franco the other day.
    No, England is a country, the UK a sovereign country and union
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 20,100
    malcolmg said:

    F*** you as well. What kind of idiot gets from save the whales to "f*** all other marine life". If you cannot answer a question civilly then don't make an arse of yourself.
    If you intend to devalue the statement that "black lives matter" then I have nothing but contempt for you anyway.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,318

    Fake news.

    https://www.varsity.co.uk/news/20190
    That was a different tweet the Daily Mail got pulled up over, as the article makes clear:

    The Daily Mail’s clarifications recognised this, saying: “We also partially quoted another tweet from Professor Gopal as saying: ‘White lives don’t matter.’ The tweet in fact continued: ’As white lives.’” Making it quite clear that “Professor Gopal’s actual view is that all lives should be valued

    That last sentence is pretty disingenuous, in fact, but that again is a different story.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,861
    edited December 2020

    So you agree the USA was an Empire then. Glad we agree.
    No as the USA did not take control of large numbers of countries not part of the home nation, at most the Philippines being the only exception
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,336

    You're going round in circles.

    If Russia was an Empire, If Brazil was an Empire, if Austria-Hungary was an Empire, then the USA was an Empire. The fact that the continuous USA is still one nation state is neither here nor there.
    From the same article:

    The United States is not traditionally recognized as an empire, in part because the U.S. adopted a different political system from those that previous empires had used. Despite these systematic differences, the political objectives and strategies of the United States government have been quite similar to those of previous empires.[67]
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 20,100
    RobD said:

    From the same article:

    The United States is not traditionally recognized as an empire, in part because the U.S. adopted a different political system from those that previous empires had used. Despite these systematic differences, the political objectives and strategies of the United States government have been quite similar to those of previous empires.[67]
    And?
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,617
    HYUFD said:

    No, England is a country, the UK a sovereign country and union
    I will remind you of that next time you argue that English Tory MPs should always be allowed to override the democratically expressed will of the Scottish people.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 20,100
    HYUFD said:

    No as the USA did not take control of large numbers of countries not part of the home nation, at most the Phillippines being the only exception

    No, you've made it clear that we agree, so thank you for that.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,318

    Yes Malcolm, you are the benchmark of civility that we all aspire to.
    He is the one who has Ayrs and graces.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,336

    And?
    You are saying the US was an empire, but that view is apparently not widespread.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,617
    ydoethur said:

    He is the one who has Ayrs and graces.
    Now now, don't be neepy.
  • JACK_WJACK_W Posts: 682
    Central African Empire .... :wink:
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,861
    Carnyx said:

    I will remind you of that next time you argue that English Tory MPs should always be allowed to override the democratically expressed will of the Scottish people.
    Scots reaffirmed their commitment to the Union in the once in a generation 2014 referendum
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