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  • rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    malcolmg said:

    Starmer saying just now he will vote for a deal is going to ruffle a lot of feathers in the remain community

    'the remain community'

    What's this, now?
    Those who mourn the EU
    Probably different round your bit, but the majority of the people in my country are a little bit sad about being forced out of the EU against their will. Whether they're a community or in mourning could be debated I guess.
    We are pure raging TUD, time to get us direct Ferry links to Europe for sure.
    I think all but the most EUphobic Unionists think reinstating a ferry link would be a good thing. I'm a bit mystified why it hasn't been pushed more in fact.
    We'll need ferry links after we dynamite the tunnel.
    Personal stealth gliders is the way ahead


    Is that Snake Pishkin? (I loved Escape from New York as a kid)
    'Tis.
    I also loved EFNY as..cough..not quite a kid.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    malcolmg said:

    Starmer saying just now he will vote for a deal is going to ruffle a lot of feathers in the remain community

    'the remain community'

    What's this, now?
    Those who mourn the EU
    Probably different round your bit, but the majority of the people in my country are a little bit sad about being forced out of the EU against their will. Whether they're a community or in mourning could be debated I guess.
    We are pure raging TUD, time to get us direct Ferry links to Europe for sure.
    I think all but the most EUphobic Unionists think reinstating a ferry link would be a good thing. I'm a bit mystified why it hasn't been pushed more in fact.
    We'll need ferry links after we dynamite the tunnel.
    Personal stealth gliders is the way ahead


    Is that Snake Pishkin? (I loved Escape from New York as a kid)
    I thought he was dead.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 10,661

    malcolmg said:

    Foxy said:

    Starmer saying just now he will vote for a deal is going to ruffle a lot of feathers in the remain community

    'the remain community'

    What's this, now?
    Those who mourn the EU
    I don't see why: the opportunity to stop Brexit has long gone. A deal - however paltry - does at least amount to a first step on the gruelling road back to fulfilling our European destiny. No Deal, with all the ensuing acrimony and hardship, would have made it far more difficult and painful.
    Yes, the Deal is the first step to salami slicing Brexit into non-existence.
    apart from all the downsides , hassle and bills
    There is that. I'd much rather not have to prove that the EEA is a good thing to be part of in an experiment, much as I don't want to be in a bath where caesium bath bombs are being tested.

    But we are where we are, and BoJo has won the right to try something that looks dumb. I can hope he succeeds, even if I can't see how.
    It's being in the bath next to the bomb that you don't like? Baths are great places to be when nasty bombs explode. They tend to have great bathtub insulation and the water is really very helpful.



  • IshmaelZ said:

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    malcolmg said:

    Starmer saying just now he will vote for a deal is going to ruffle a lot of feathers in the remain community

    'the remain community'

    What's this, now?
    Those who mourn the EU
    Probably different round your bit, but the majority of the people in my country are a little bit sad about being forced out of the EU against their will. Whether they're a community or in mourning could be debated I guess.
    We are pure raging TUD, time to get us direct Ferry links to Europe for sure.
    I think all but the most EUphobic Unionists think reinstating a ferry link would be a good thing. I'm a bit mystified why it hasn't been pushed more in fact.
    We'll need ferry links after we dynamite the tunnel.
    Personal stealth gliders is the way ahead


    Is that Snake Pishkin? (I loved Escape from New York as a kid)
    I thought he was dead.
    :smiley:
  • Omnium said:

    malcolmg said:

    Foxy said:

    Starmer saying just now he will vote for a deal is going to ruffle a lot of feathers in the remain community

    'the remain community'

    What's this, now?
    Those who mourn the EU
    I don't see why: the opportunity to stop Brexit has long gone. A deal - however paltry - does at least amount to a first step on the gruelling road back to fulfilling our European destiny. No Deal, with all the ensuing acrimony and hardship, would have made it far more difficult and painful.
    Yes, the Deal is the first step to salami slicing Brexit into non-existence.
    apart from all the downsides , hassle and bills
    There is that. I'd much rather not have to prove that the EEA is a good thing to be part of in an experiment, much as I don't want to be in a bath where caesium bath bombs are being tested.

    But we are where we are, and BoJo has won the right to try something that looks dumb. I can hope he succeeds, even if I can't see how.
    It's being in the bath next to the bomb that you don't like? Baths are great places to be when nasty bombs explode. They tend to have great bathtub insulation and the water is really very helpful.



    Erm, no.
    The bath bomb is in our bath, until there isn't a bath any more.

    https://youtu.be/6ZY6d6jrq-0
  • Well the govt has opened Pandora's box here.

    The plebs will see this as an excuse to no longer self isolate.

    https://twitter.com/grantshapps/status/1334543848333332482
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,300
    500 people in 45 seats. Plenty of hype with a large pinch of sodium chloride.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 10,661

    Omnium said:

    malcolmg said:

    Foxy said:

    Starmer saying just now he will vote for a deal is going to ruffle a lot of feathers in the remain community

    'the remain community'

    What's this, now?
    Those who mourn the EU
    I don't see why: the opportunity to stop Brexit has long gone. A deal - however paltry - does at least amount to a first step on the gruelling road back to fulfilling our European destiny. No Deal, with all the ensuing acrimony and hardship, would have made it far more difficult and painful.
    Yes, the Deal is the first step to salami slicing Brexit into non-existence.
    apart from all the downsides , hassle and bills
    There is that. I'd much rather not have to prove that the EEA is a good thing to be part of in an experiment, much as I don't want to be in a bath where caesium bath bombs are being tested.

    But we are where we are, and BoJo has won the right to try something that looks dumb. I can hope he succeeds, even if I can't see how.
    It's being in the bath next to the bomb that you don't like? Baths are great places to be when nasty bombs explode. They tend to have great bathtub insulation and the water is really very helpful.



    Erm, no.
    The bath bomb is in our bath, until there isn't a bath any more.

    https://youtu.be/6ZY6d6jrq-0
    If you fart sodium I'm impressed.

    Back to the real world though, baths are great places to be when bombs go off.
  • C'mon lads, £100k is nothing to preserve your country.

    https://twitter.com/naebD/status/1334128271315795968?s=20

    'Gimme yer money or the baby gets it'




  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,005
    edited December 2020

    Well the govt has opened Pandora's box here.

    The plebs will see this as an excuse to no longer self isolate.

    https://twitter.com/grantshapps/status/1334543848333332482

    Makes one wonder from which countries the cheapest business traveller tickets can be purchased.
  • On topic, surely US Attorney General Barr is safe while he is needed to cross the t's on presidential pardons. No point risking getting your collar felt because the paperwork's sitting on a vacated desk in the DoJ.

    Whilst it is part of the DoJ the Office of the Pardon Attorney does all that, Trump won't need an AG to process his pardons.
  • GaussianGaussian Posts: 824

    Omnium said:

    malcolmg said:

    Foxy said:

    Starmer saying just now he will vote for a deal is going to ruffle a lot of feathers in the remain community

    'the remain community'

    What's this, now?
    Those who mourn the EU
    I don't see why: the opportunity to stop Brexit has long gone. A deal - however paltry - does at least amount to a first step on the gruelling road back to fulfilling our European destiny. No Deal, with all the ensuing acrimony and hardship, would have made it far more difficult and painful.
    Yes, the Deal is the first step to salami slicing Brexit into non-existence.
    apart from all the downsides , hassle and bills
    There is that. I'd much rather not have to prove that the EEA is a good thing to be part of in an experiment, much as I don't want to be in a bath where caesium bath bombs are being tested.

    But we are where we are, and BoJo has won the right to try something that looks dumb. I can hope he succeeds, even if I can't see how.
    It's being in the bath next to the bomb that you don't like? Baths are great places to be when nasty bombs explode. They tend to have great bathtub insulation and the water is really very helpful.



    Erm, no.
    The bath bomb is in our bath, until there isn't a bath any more.

    https://youtu.be/6ZY6d6jrq-0
    "You can see that things gradually become more terrifying as we go down the group." 😆
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 77,769
    However, chancellor Rishi Sunak has emerged as the most popular politician in Red Wall constituencies.
  • On topic, surely US Attorney General Barr is safe while he is needed to cross the t's on presidential pardons. No point risking getting your collar felt because the paperwork's sitting on a vacated desk in the DoJ.

    Whilst it is part of the DoJ the Office of the Pardon Attorney does all that, Trump won't need an AG to process his pardons.
    Given its potentially legally dubious to pardon himself he would surely have more chance of success with better lawyers than Rudi advising him?
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,732
    Andy_JS said:

    Well the govt has opened Pandora's box here.

    The plebs will see this as an excuse to no longer self isolate.

    https://twitter.com/grantshapps/status/1334543848333332482

    Makes one wonder from which countries the cheapest business traveller tickets can be purchased.
    I'm guessing the class of travel wont matter, but you'll need some proof you are coming on business.
  • Andy_JS said:

    Well the govt has opened Pandora's box here.

    The plebs will see this as an excuse to no longer self isolate.

    https://twitter.com/grantshapps/status/1334543848333332482

    Makes one wonder from which countries the cheapest business traveller tickets can be purchased.
    It is not about buying a business class ticket!
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 77,769

    Well the govt has opened Pandora's box here.

    The plebs will see this as an excuse to no longer self isolate.

    https://twitter.com/grantshapps/status/1334543848333332482

    My employer has loads of neccessary business trips. Are they high value ? They damn well are if we want to keep the business going.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,826
    kle4 said:

    HYUFD said:
    MPs should be prioritised ahead of the general public. We disdain them a lot, they give us reason to disdain them, but they are the people we have chosen to represent and govern us. I have no problem in saying they should have a greater priority than many other non-high priority groups, though I doubt many of them will say the same.

    But that would still mean most of them are quite a ways down the list, since most people agree on the top priority people.
    Is that a joke or were you just practicing your typing skills?
  • dr_spyn said:

    500 people in 45 seats. Plenty of hype with a large pinch of sodium chloride.

    500 in each seat surely, not just 500 in all 45 seats, ie 11 per seat
  • RobD said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Well the govt has opened Pandora's box here.

    The plebs will see this as an excuse to no longer self isolate.

    https://twitter.com/grantshapps/status/1334543848333332482

    Makes one wonder from which countries the cheapest business traveller tickets can be purchased.
    I'm guessing the class of travel wont matter, but you'll need some proof you are coming on business.
    I'm glad I work for a company with offices all over the world.

    About that Brexit planning stuff I need to do in Europe, brb, I need to talk to the boss.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,732

    dr_spyn said:

    500 people in 45 seats. Plenty of hype with a large pinch of sodium chloride.

    500 in each seat surely, not just 500 in all 45 seats, ie 11 per seat
    No, it's 500 total.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,207

    Well the govt has opened Pandora's box here.

    The plebs will see this as an excuse to no longer self isolate.

    https://twitter.com/grantshapps/status/1334543848333332482

    One step forward, two steps back.

    What are they thinking?
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,598

    rcs1000 said:

    malcolmg said:

    Starmer saying just now he will vote for a deal is going to ruffle a lot of feathers in the remain community

    'the remain community'

    What's this, now?
    Those who mourn the EU
    Probably different round your bit, but the majority of the people in my country are a little bit sad about being forced out of the EU against their will. Whether they're a community or in mourning could be debated I guess.
    We are pure raging TUD, time to get us direct Ferry links to Europe for sure.
    I think all but the most EUphobic Unionists think reinstating a ferry link would be a good thing. I'm a bit mystified why it hasn't been pushed more in fact.
    We'll need ferry links after we dynamite the tunnel.
    Didn't Alan Clark put down an amendment to the Chunnel Bill proposing that? That dynamite should be built into the tunnel just in case?

    (That would have been late 1980s? And that's why the UK's direction of travel from here feels pretty inevitable; 1/1/21 will be peak separation.)
    Go back 100 years. The anxieties about invasion scuppered the 1880s Chunnel attempt, I believe.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,826
    edited December 2020
    Will a chip fit in it?

    "Waiter, what on earth is a fly doing in my soup?"

    "I'm no expert sir, but I think the breast stroke"
  • dr_spyn said:

    500 people in 45 seats. Plenty of hype with a large pinch of sodium chloride.

    500 in each seat surely, not just 500 in all 45 seats, ie 11 per seat
    Nope 500 in total.

    The MoE isn't that huge, and remember regional/class type polling like this in the past can be very accurate.

    In 2014 there was a poll of 600 odd that accurately predicted the Lib Dem bloodbath in the SW.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 77,769
    Shapps proposal is going to go down like cold sick in the red wall.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,207
    Andy_JS said:

    Well the govt has opened Pandora's box here.

    The plebs will see this as an excuse to no longer self isolate.

    https://twitter.com/grantshapps/status/1334543848333332482

    Makes one wonder from which countries the cheapest business traveller tickets can be purchased.
    Tickets priced just below the cost of a Zoom call....
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,725

    Well the govt has opened Pandora's box here.

    The plebs will see this as an excuse to no longer self isolate.

    https://twitter.com/grantshapps/status/1334543848333332482

    One step forward, two steps back.

    What are they thinking?
    Thinking?
  • RobD said:

    dr_spyn said:

    500 people in 45 seats. Plenty of hype with a large pinch of sodium chloride.

    500 in each seat surely, not just 500 in all 45 seats, ie 11 per seat
    No, it's 500 total.
    So they asked 11 people in each constituency and call it an opinion poll
  • Pulpstar said:

    Well the govt has opened Pandora's box here.

    The plebs will see this as an excuse to no longer self isolate.

    https://twitter.com/grantshapps/status/1334543848333332482

    My employer has loads of neccessary business trips. Are they high value ? They damn well are if we want to keep the business going.
    It is high value to the country that counts, not high value to the business or airline.
  • RobD said:

    dr_spyn said:

    500 people in 45 seats. Plenty of hype with a large pinch of sodium chloride.

    500 in each seat surely, not just 500 in all 45 seats, ie 11 per seat
    No, it's 500 total.
    So they asked 11 people in each constituency and call it an opinion poll
    You don't understand polling.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,598

    Well the govt has opened Pandora's box here.

    The plebs will see this as an excuse to no longer self isolate.

    https://twitter.com/grantshapps/status/1334543848333332482

    One step forward, two steps back.

    What are they thinking?
    Chums innit. The ones who can afford private jets.
  • RobD said:

    dr_spyn said:

    500 people in 45 seats. Plenty of hype with a large pinch of sodium chloride.

    500 in each seat surely, not just 500 in all 45 seats, ie 11 per seat
    No, it's 500 total.
    So they asked 11 people in each constituency and call it an opinion poll
    In a normal national poll they ask less than 2 people in each constituency and call it an opinion poll.

    The question is whether you've got a balanced sample or not.
  • Well the govt has opened Pandora's box here.

    The plebs will see this as an excuse to no longer self isolate.

    https://twitter.com/grantshapps/status/1334543848333332482

    One step forward, two steps back.

    What are they thinking?
    I think the more apt question is 'Were they thinking?'
  • Well the govt has opened Pandora's box here.

    The plebs will see this as an excuse to no longer self isolate.

    https://twitter.com/grantshapps/status/1334543848333332482

    One step forward, two steps back.

    What are they thinking?
    Shapps has had a bad COVID - he's consistently fecked up - the UK's border/quarantine policy has been risible - and announcing this before the conditions are available is pathetic:

    https://twitter.com/grantshapps/status/1334544304254177280?s=20
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,005
  • RobD said:

    dr_spyn said:

    500 people in 45 seats. Plenty of hype with a large pinch of sodium chloride.

    500 in each seat surely, not just 500 in all 45 seats, ie 11 per seat
    No, it's 500 total.
    So they asked 11 people in each constituency and call it an opinion poll
    You don't understand polling.
    Probably not
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670

    How not to do it:

    https://twitter.com/GaryBurgessCI/status/1334554012750934021?s=20

    That's the equivalent of 41,000 cases in the UK

    On the subject of travel bans

    https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/1334468357224067072?s=19

    Like many things about the world and UK response to Covid it looks like the reasoning was based on a different type of disease.
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,300
    Link to that poll in Red Wall for Channel 4.

    https://www.jlpartners.co.uk/red-wall

    500 total sample size, a novel approach.
  • Carnyx said:

    rcs1000 said:

    malcolmg said:

    Starmer saying just now he will vote for a deal is going to ruffle a lot of feathers in the remain community

    'the remain community'

    What's this, now?
    Those who mourn the EU
    Probably different round your bit, but the majority of the people in my country are a little bit sad about being forced out of the EU against their will. Whether they're a community or in mourning could be debated I guess.
    We are pure raging TUD, time to get us direct Ferry links to Europe for sure.
    I think all but the most EUphobic Unionists think reinstating a ferry link would be a good thing. I'm a bit mystified why it hasn't been pushed more in fact.
    We'll need ferry links after we dynamite the tunnel.
    Didn't Alan Clark put down an amendment to the Chunnel Bill proposing that? That dynamite should be built into the tunnel just in case?

    (That would have been late 1980s? And that's why the UK's direction of travel from here feels pretty inevitable; 1/1/21 will be peak separation.)
    Go back 100 years. The anxieties about invasion scuppered the 1880s Chunnel attempt, I believe.
    The fear of invasion via a tunnel is even older than that:


  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,654

    malcolmg said:

    Starmer saying just now he will vote for a deal is going to ruffle a lot of feathers in the remain community

    'the remain community'

    What's this, now?
    Those who mourn the EU
    Probably different round your bit, but the majority of the people in my country are a little bit sad about being forced out of the EU against their will. Whether they're a community or in mourning could be debated I guess.
    We are pure raging TUD, time to get us direct Ferry links to Europe for sure.
    I think all but the most EUphobic Unionists think reinstating a ferry link would be a good thing. I'm a bit mystified why it hasn't been pushed more in fact.
    On a serious note the distances involved and sea conditions do complicate the viability of sea ferries from Scotland to mainland Europe.

    Of course it can be done but not sure how successful it would be
    It's already been done between 2002-2008 and there's still an existing Rosyth-Zeebrugge freight route.

    Of course the Irish are increasing their (even longer) ferry routes, one of the benefits of being wholly in charge of their own affairs.
    I did the Zeebrugge trip a couple of times. It was a great way to get to the continent for a bit of touring. Not sure it ever made a profit though.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 77,769
    Andy_JS said:
    He's not wrong on this one.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,207

    Well the govt has opened Pandora's box here.

    The plebs will see this as an excuse to no longer self isolate.

    https://twitter.com/grantshapps/status/1334543848333332482

    One step forward, two steps back.

    What are they thinking?
    I think the more apt question is 'Were they thinking?'
    Very obviously, not.

    We are all in lockdown in our contentious tiers to hammer down the R.

    Meanwhile, piling in through the airports....welcome to Britain, Covid.

    Can somebody please give this Govt. a damned good slap?

  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,598

    Carnyx said:

    rcs1000 said:

    malcolmg said:

    Starmer saying just now he will vote for a deal is going to ruffle a lot of feathers in the remain community

    'the remain community'

    What's this, now?
    Those who mourn the EU
    Probably different round your bit, but the majority of the people in my country are a little bit sad about being forced out of the EU against their will. Whether they're a community or in mourning could be debated I guess.
    We are pure raging TUD, time to get us direct Ferry links to Europe for sure.
    I think all but the most EUphobic Unionists think reinstating a ferry link would be a good thing. I'm a bit mystified why it hasn't been pushed more in fact.
    We'll need ferry links after we dynamite the tunnel.
    Didn't Alan Clark put down an amendment to the Chunnel Bill proposing that? That dynamite should be built into the tunnel just in case?

    (That would have been late 1980s? And that's why the UK's direction of travel from here feels pretty inevitable; 1/1/21 will be peak separation.)
    Go back 100 years. The anxieties about invasion scuppered the 1880s Chunnel attempt, I believe.
    The fear of invasion via a tunnel is even older than that:


    True, but they hadn't done the geology or started the digging. They had done both by the 1880s - though on checking I see the gunpowder charges plan was also a C19 one.

    http://www.railalbum.co.uk/articles/chunnel.htm
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,654
    Roger said:

    Will a chip fit in it?

    "Waiter, what on earth is a fly doing in my soup?"

    "I'm no expert sir, but I think the breast stroke"
    Surely butterfly?
  • Well the govt has opened Pandora's box here.

    The plebs will see this as an excuse to no longer self isolate.

    https://twitter.com/grantshapps/status/1334543848333332482

    One step forward, two steps back.

    What are they thinking?
    I think the more apt question is 'Were they thinking?'
    Very obviously, not.

    We are all in lockdown in our contentious tiers to hammer down the R.

    Meanwhile, piling in through the airports....welcome to Britain, Covid.

    Can somebody please give this Govt. a damned good slap?

    It is simply stupid optics
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    Well the govt has opened Pandora's box here.

    The plebs will see this as an excuse to no longer self isolate.

    https://twitter.com/grantshapps/status/1334543848333332482

    One step forward, two steps back.

    What are they thinking?
    Shapps has had a bad COVID - he's consistently fecked up - the UK's border/quarantine policy has been risible - and announcing this before the conditions are available is pathetic:

    https://twitter.com/grantshapps/status/1334544304254177280?s=20
    I love the way he actually gets "high value" into one tweet and "elite" into the other, when "some" would do in either case.
  • Guernsey did have "business travel tunnels" which had to be applied for and had specific and rigid criteria:

    Business tunnels are strictly limited to same day return travel only, without the need for mandatory self-isolation. Travel to and from the airport hangars or terminal building must not be on public transport. Social distancing of one metre must be maintained at all times. Contacts must be recorded for tracing purposes and should be minimised. Passengers must wear facemasks as they pass through the airport and in the transport to their meeting location. Business meetings must be held in well ventilated offices and not in public places such as restaurants or bars. It is for those applying for business tunnel travel to organise an appropriate venue for their meeting.

    https://covid19.gov.gg/guidance/travel/business

    About half were approved. None led to cases. They were suspended in mid-November as the UK went out of control.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,654

    Well the govt has opened Pandora's box here.

    The plebs will see this as an excuse to no longer self isolate.

    https://twitter.com/grantshapps/status/1334543848333332482

    One step forward, two steps back.

    What are they thinking?
    Shapps has had a bad COVID - he's consistently fecked up - the UK's border/quarantine policy has been risible - and announcing this before the conditions are available is pathetic:

    https://twitter.com/grantshapps/status/1334544304254177280?s=20
    He’s a complete muppet (and I apologise immediately to any muppets reading). Probably responsible for more additional deaths than the genius who sent COVID patients from hospitals to care homes.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 77,769
    Grant Shapps is going to find himself barred from every pub in the UK isn't he ?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 121,972
    edited December 2020

    dr_spyn said:

    500 people in 45 seats. Plenty of hype with a large pinch of sodium chloride.

    500 in each seat surely, not just 500 in all 45 seats, ie 11 per seat
    Nope 500 in total.

    The MoE isn't that huge, and remember regional/class type polling like this in the past can be very accurate.

    In 2014 there was a poll of 600 odd that accurately predicted the Lib Dem bloodbath in the SW.
    It reflects the current polling, Tories largest party but lose enough Red Wall seats to lose their majority and Starmer PM with SNP and LD support.

    Latest Electoral Calculus projection on current polls is Tories 307, Labour 255, SNP 58 and LDs 7

    https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/homepage.html
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,163

    malcolmg said:

    Starmer saying just now he will vote for a deal is going to ruffle a lot of feathers in the remain community

    'the remain community'

    What's this, now?
    Those who mourn the EU
    Probably different round your bit, but the majority of the people in my country are a little bit sad about being forced out of the EU against their will. Whether they're a community or in mourning could be debated I guess.
    We are pure raging TUD, time to get us direct Ferry links to Europe for sure.
    I think all but the most EUphobic Unionists think reinstating a ferry link would be a good thing. I'm a bit mystified why it hasn't been pushed more in fact.
    I'm an EUphobic Unionist, and I'd have no problem with ferries to the continent - why on earth would I?
  • Andy_JS said:
    Well, that line of attack comes as a complete surprise!

    Who could possibly have seen that coming?

    Evidently no one in the government. Bit like how they were blindsided by the COVID spikes after kids returned to school and over a million students moved around the country to mingle in dorms....
  • Well the govt has opened Pandora's box here.

    The plebs will see this as an excuse to no longer self isolate.

    https://twitter.com/grantshapps/status/1334543848333332482

    One step forward, two steps back.

    What are they thinking?
    Shapps has had a bad COVID - he's consistently fecked up - the UK's border/quarantine policy has been risible - and announcing this before the conditions are available is pathetic:

    https://twitter.com/grantshapps/status/1334544304254177280?s=20
    Is this for real? Surely his account's been hacked.
  • Well the govt has opened Pandora's box here.

    The plebs will see this as an excuse to no longer self isolate.

    https://twitter.com/grantshapps/status/1334543848333332482

    One step forward, two steps back.

    What are they thinking?
    Their mates said what difference does it make if a few us of fly where we want to, when we want to. When their mates ask, they say yes.
  • Andy_JS said:
    Well, that line of attack comes as a complete surprise!

    Who could possibly have seen that coming?

    Evidently no one in the government. Bit like how they were blindsided by the COVID spikes after kids returned to school and over a million students moved around the country to mingle in dorms....
    Johnson just found out that his xmas hols getaway location is not in a corridor?
  • DavidL said:

    malcolmg said:

    Starmer saying just now he will vote for a deal is going to ruffle a lot of feathers in the remain community

    'the remain community'

    What's this, now?
    Those who mourn the EU
    Probably different round your bit, but the majority of the people in my country are a little bit sad about being forced out of the EU against their will. Whether they're a community or in mourning could be debated I guess.
    We are pure raging TUD, time to get us direct Ferry links to Europe for sure.
    I think all but the most EUphobic Unionists think reinstating a ferry link would be a good thing. I'm a bit mystified why it hasn't been pushed more in fact.
    On a serious note the distances involved and sea conditions do complicate the viability of sea ferries from Scotland to mainland Europe.

    Of course it can be done but not sure how successful it would be
    It's already been done between 2002-2008 and there's still an existing Rosyth-Zeebrugge freight route.

    Of course the Irish are increasing their (even longer) ferry routes, one of the benefits of being wholly in charge of their own affairs.
    I did the Zeebrugge trip a couple of times. It was a great way to get to the continent for a bit of touring. Not sure it ever made a profit though.
    Great for m/c trips (which I realise is not going to be a prime consideration for anyone except bikers).
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,163

    Carnyx said:

    rcs1000 said:

    malcolmg said:

    Starmer saying just now he will vote for a deal is going to ruffle a lot of feathers in the remain community

    'the remain community'

    What's this, now?
    Those who mourn the EU
    Probably different round your bit, but the majority of the people in my country are a little bit sad about being forced out of the EU against their will. Whether they're a community or in mourning could be debated I guess.
    We are pure raging TUD, time to get us direct Ferry links to Europe for sure.
    I think all but the most EUphobic Unionists think reinstating a ferry link would be a good thing. I'm a bit mystified why it hasn't been pushed more in fact.
    We'll need ferry links after we dynamite the tunnel.
    Didn't Alan Clark put down an amendment to the Chunnel Bill proposing that? That dynamite should be built into the tunnel just in case?

    (That would have been late 1980s? And that's why the UK's direction of travel from here feels pretty inevitable; 1/1/21 will be peak separation.)
    Go back 100 years. The anxieties about invasion scuppered the 1880s Chunnel attempt, I believe.
    The fear of invasion via a tunnel is even older than that:


    Haha - love that picture. I love the idea of the French attacking us in Montgolfier balloons but us foiling them with a defensive barrage of kites. :lol:
  • malcolmg said:

    Starmer saying just now he will vote for a deal is going to ruffle a lot of feathers in the remain community

    'the remain community'

    What's this, now?
    Those who mourn the EU
    Probably different round your bit, but the majority of the people in my country are a little bit sad about being forced out of the EU against their will. Whether they're a community or in mourning could be debated I guess.
    We are pure raging TUD, time to get us direct Ferry links to Europe for sure.
    I think all but the most EUphobic Unionists think reinstating a ferry link would be a good thing. I'm a bit mystified why it hasn't been pushed more in fact.
    I'm an EUphobic Unionist, and I'd have no problem with ferries to the continent - why on earth would I?
    Have you ever considered the possibility that you are not as other EUphobic Unionists?
  • DavidL said:

    Roger said:

    Will a chip fit in it?

    "Waiter, what on earth is a fly doing in my soup?"

    "I'm no expert sir, but I think the breast stroke"
    Surely butterfly?
    Interspecies sex and soup!
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,207
  • eristdooferistdoof Posts: 5,056

    Carnyx said:

    rcs1000 said:

    malcolmg said:

    Starmer saying just now he will vote for a deal is going to ruffle a lot of feathers in the remain community

    'the remain community'

    What's this, now?
    Those who mourn the EU
    Probably different round your bit, but the majority of the people in my country are a little bit sad about being forced out of the EU against their will. Whether they're a community or in mourning could be debated I guess.
    We are pure raging TUD, time to get us direct Ferry links to Europe for sure.
    I think all but the most EUphobic Unionists think reinstating a ferry link would be a good thing. I'm a bit mystified why it hasn't been pushed more in fact.
    We'll need ferry links after we dynamite the tunnel.
    Didn't Alan Clark put down an amendment to the Chunnel Bill proposing that? That dynamite should be built into the tunnel just in case?

    (That would have been late 1980s? And that's why the UK's direction of travel from here feels pretty inevitable; 1/1/21 will be peak separation.)
    Go back 100 years. The anxieties about invasion scuppered the 1880s Chunnel attempt, I believe.
    The fear of invasion via a tunnel is even older than that:


    Haha - love that picture. I love the idea of the French attacking us in Montgolfier balloons but us foiling them with a defensive barrage of kites. :lol:
    The width of the channel is nicely to scale too, about 15 or 20 horse lengths.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,179
    The French Prime Minister lost his glasses, while he was wearing them...

    https://twitter.com/mediavenir/status/1334575900722126850?s=21
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,163

    malcolmg said:

    Starmer saying just now he will vote for a deal is going to ruffle a lot of feathers in the remain community

    'the remain community'

    What's this, now?
    Those who mourn the EU
    Probably different round your bit, but the majority of the people in my country are a little bit sad about being forced out of the EU against their will. Whether they're a community or in mourning could be debated I guess.
    We are pure raging TUD, time to get us direct Ferry links to Europe for sure.
    I think all but the most EUphobic Unionists think reinstating a ferry link would be a good thing. I'm a bit mystified why it hasn't been pushed more in fact.
    I'm an EUphobic Unionist, and I'd have no problem with ferries to the continent - why on earth would I?
    Have you ever considered the possibility that you are not as other EUphobic Unionists?
    Perhaps, but not that different.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    edited December 2020

    Carnyx said:

    rcs1000 said:

    malcolmg said:

    Starmer saying just now he will vote for a deal is going to ruffle a lot of feathers in the remain community

    'the remain community'

    What's this, now?
    Those who mourn the EU
    Probably different round your bit, but the majority of the people in my country are a little bit sad about being forced out of the EU against their will. Whether they're a community or in mourning could be debated I guess.
    We are pure raging TUD, time to get us direct Ferry links to Europe for sure.
    I think all but the most EUphobic Unionists think reinstating a ferry link would be a good thing. I'm a bit mystified why it hasn't been pushed more in fact.
    We'll need ferry links after we dynamite the tunnel.
    Didn't Alan Clark put down an amendment to the Chunnel Bill proposing that? That dynamite should be built into the tunnel just in case?

    (That would have been late 1980s? And that's why the UK's direction of travel from here feels pretty inevitable; 1/1/21 will be peak separation.)
    Go back 100 years. The anxieties about invasion scuppered the 1880s Chunnel attempt, I believe.
    The fear of invasion via a tunnel is even older than that:


    Haha - love that picture. I love the idea of the French attacking us in Montgolfier balloons but us foiling them with a defensive barrage of kites. :lol:
    It's a bit odd, the kites and smoke suggest the wind is blowing right to left. Are the balloons tethered?
  • High value business travellers.

    Drug smugglers?
  • We're insisting that we are allowed to do what we like and they pay us
  • This is just pantomime. Most likely everything's been agreed, and they'll spend the next few days in the meeting room playing cards.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 13,779
    Yes, we're being prepared for a possible breakdown of talks and the Government is getting to blame the EU.

    That may be true - it may not. I fear objective opinion and analysis is going to be in short supply - some will instinctively blame the EU, others the UK Government, the facts be damned.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,163

    This is just pantomime. Most likely everything's been agreed, and they'll spend the next few days in the meeting room playing cards.
    That will be tricky, given that we hold all of them.

    amIrightfellas
  • Grant Schapps is an imbecile.

    Depending upon the details the changes could be a good idea or a bad idea. Eg Premier League teams playing in the Champions League away aren't having to self isolate for a fortnight when they return.

    But it depends what the policy is, what protocols etc. And that's not said instead just a meaningless Tweet that had no reason to be sent and no details to accompany it so of course everyone is going to think the worse.

    If you have something to say then say it. A link with details attached. Not just vague meaningless Tweets that will just stoke anger whether or not what you're doing is a good or bad idea.

    Imbecile.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,356
    IshmaelZ said:

    Carnyx said:

    rcs1000 said:

    malcolmg said:

    Starmer saying just now he will vote for a deal is going to ruffle a lot of feathers in the remain community

    'the remain community'

    What's this, now?
    Those who mourn the EU
    Probably different round your bit, but the majority of the people in my country are a little bit sad about being forced out of the EU against their will. Whether they're a community or in mourning could be debated I guess.
    We are pure raging TUD, time to get us direct Ferry links to Europe for sure.
    I think all but the most EUphobic Unionists think reinstating a ferry link would be a good thing. I'm a bit mystified why it hasn't been pushed more in fact.
    We'll need ferry links after we dynamite the tunnel.
    Didn't Alan Clark put down an amendment to the Chunnel Bill proposing that? That dynamite should be built into the tunnel just in case?

    (That would have been late 1980s? And that's why the UK's direction of travel from here feels pretty inevitable; 1/1/21 will be peak separation.)
    Go back 100 years. The anxieties about invasion scuppered the 1880s Chunnel attempt, I believe.
    The fear of invasion via a tunnel is even older than that:


    Haha - love that picture. I love the idea of the French attacking us in Montgolfier balloons but us foiling them with a defensive barrage of kites. :lol:
    It's a bit odd, the kites and smoke suggest the wind is blowing right to left. Are the ballons tethered?
    Perhaps the wind changed while the artist was sketching the scene.
  • eristdooferistdoof Posts: 5,056
    DavidL said:

    Roger said:

    Will a chip fit in it?

    "Waiter, what on earth is a fly doing in my soup?"

    "I'm no expert sir, but I think the breast stroke"
    Surely butterfly?
    No the ancient joke is with "breast stroke". Because breasts are, like bananas, funny and a breast stroke is even funnier.
    Of course analysing jokes makes then completetly unfunny, so I apologise for that.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,163
    IshmaelZ said:

    Carnyx said:

    rcs1000 said:

    malcolmg said:

    Starmer saying just now he will vote for a deal is going to ruffle a lot of feathers in the remain community

    'the remain community'

    What's this, now?
    Those who mourn the EU
    Probably different round your bit, but the majority of the people in my country are a little bit sad about being forced out of the EU against their will. Whether they're a community or in mourning could be debated I guess.
    We are pure raging TUD, time to get us direct Ferry links to Europe for sure.
    I think all but the most EUphobic Unionists think reinstating a ferry link would be a good thing. I'm a bit mystified why it hasn't been pushed more in fact.
    We'll need ferry links after we dynamite the tunnel.
    Didn't Alan Clark put down an amendment to the Chunnel Bill proposing that? That dynamite should be built into the tunnel just in case?

    (That would have been late 1980s? And that's why the UK's direction of travel from here feels pretty inevitable; 1/1/21 will be peak separation.)
    Go back 100 years. The anxieties about invasion scuppered the 1880s Chunnel attempt, I believe.
    The fear of invasion via a tunnel is even older than that:


    Haha - love that picture. I love the idea of the French attacking us in Montgolfier balloons but us foiling them with a defensive barrage of kites. :lol:
    It's a bit odd, the kites and smoke suggest the wind is blowing right to left. Are the balloons tethered?
    That's possibly why they appear to be blowing off course - toward the open expanses of the Atlantic Ocean.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 56,690

    Well the govt has opened Pandora's box here.

    The plebs will see this as an excuse to no longer self isolate.

    https://twitter.com/grantshapps/status/1334543848333332482

    YES!

    "Hey honey, I'm off to see my mates. Stay in and watch the kids, will you,"
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 121,972

    This is just pantomime. Most likely everything's been agreed, and they'll spend the next few days in the meeting room playing cards.
    Indeed
    https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/1334580965075718145?s=20
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,163
    rcs1000 said:

    Well the govt has opened Pandora's box here.

    The plebs will see this as an excuse to no longer self isolate.

    https://twitter.com/grantshapps/status/1334543848333332482

    YES!

    "Hey honey, I'm off to see my mates. Stay in and watch the kids, will you,"
    I can't see a self-respecting pleb in this country calling their wife honey. Or attracting their attention with the salutation 'Hey'.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,356
    rcs1000 said:

    Well the govt has opened Pandora's box here.

    The plebs will see this as an excuse to no longer self isolate.

    https://twitter.com/grantshapps/status/1334543848333332482

    YES!

    "Hey honey, I'm off to see my mates. Stay in and watch the kids, will you,"
    Be sure to have some sides with your Scotch egg when you do. Wouldn't want to get in trouble...
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 56,690

    Grant Schapps is an imbecile.

    Depending upon the details the changes could be a good idea or a bad idea. Eg Premier League teams playing in the Champions League away aren't having to self isolate for a fortnight when they return.

    But it depends what the policy is, what protocols etc. And that's not said instead just a meaningless Tweet that had no reason to be sent and no details to accompany it so of course everyone is going to think the worse.

    If you have something to say then say it. A link with details attached. Not just vague meaningless Tweets that will just stoke anger whether or not what you're doing is a good or bad idea.

    Imbecile.

    It's all based on self identification: if you identify as a Premiership footballer, you won't need to quarantine.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 13,779
    rcs1000 said:

    Grant Schapps is an imbecile.

    Depending upon the details the changes could be a good idea or a bad idea. Eg Premier League teams playing in the Champions League away aren't having to self isolate for a fortnight when they return.

    But it depends what the policy is, what protocols etc. And that's not said instead just a meaningless Tweet that had no reason to be sent and no details to accompany it so of course everyone is going to think the worse.

    If you have something to say then say it. A link with details attached. Not just vague meaningless Tweets that will just stoke anger whether or not what you're doing is a good or bad idea.

    Imbecile.

    It's all based on self identification: if you identify as a Premiership footballer, you won't need to quarantine.
    As a "high value business traveller", Barnier won't have any problems I would imagine and especially if he can square a deal with the EU.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,625

    This is just pantomime. Most likely everything's been agreed, and they'll spend the next few days in the meeting room playing cards.
    EU wont be able to play cards as we hold them all


    Some PB Tory says
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,732

    We're insisting that we are allowed to do what we like and they pay us
    That would be us bringing something new into it.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,163

    This is just pantomime. Most likely everything's been agreed, and they'll spend the next few days in the meeting room playing cards.
    EU wont be able to play cards as we hold them all


    Some PB Tory says
    Yep, that PB Tory would be me, a few posts up. ;)
  • stodgestodge Posts: 13,779
    Biden continues to close on 81 million votes and leads Trump by just shy of 6,876,000 votes this evening (UK).

    Not much change in the main numbers - in New York, Westchester County has counted 56% of the vote.
  • GaussianGaussian Posts: 824
    HYUFD said:

    This is just pantomime. Most likely everything's been agreed, and they'll spend the next few days in the meeting room playing cards.
    Indeed
    https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/1334580965075718145?s=20
    Is the French PM trying to stir up protests?
    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/dec/03/brexit-deal-can-be-struck-in-next-few-days-says-irish
    "Jean Castex says coastal communities must prepare for ‘new era’ in visit to biggest fishing port"

    An Asterix style fish fight over there would probably help convince the Great British Public that we're getting a good deal.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,356
    Gaussian said:

    HYUFD said:

    This is just pantomime. Most likely everything's been agreed, and they'll spend the next few days in the meeting room playing cards.
    Indeed
    https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/1334580965075718145?s=20
    Is the French PM trying to stir up protests?
    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/dec/03/brexit-deal-can-be-struck-in-next-few-days-says-irish
    "Jean Castex says coastal communities must prepare for ‘new era’ in visit to biggest fishing port"

    An Asterix style fish fight over there would probably help convince the Great British Public that we're getting a good deal.
    Though surely a "new era" applies whether Deal or No Deal?
  • GaussianGaussian Posts: 824
    Foxy said:

    Gaussian said:

    HYUFD said:

    This is just pantomime. Most likely everything's been agreed, and they'll spend the next few days in the meeting room playing cards.
    Indeed
    https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/1334580965075718145?s=20
    Is the French PM trying to stir up protests?
    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/dec/03/brexit-deal-can-be-struck-in-next-few-days-says-irish
    "Jean Castex says coastal communities must prepare for ‘new era’ in visit to biggest fishing port"

    An Asterix style fish fight over there would probably help convince the Great British Public that we're getting a good deal.
    Though surely a "new era" applies whether Deal or No Deal?
    True, but "Jean Castex, has visited the country’s biggest fishing port to warn that his government had to compromise".
  • eristdooferistdoof Posts: 5,056
    stodge said:

    Biden continues to close on 81 million votes and leads Trump by just shy of 6,876,000 votes this evening (UK).

    Not much change in the main numbers - in New York, Westchester County has counted 56% of the vote.

    Can somone update a comparison between Poll result just before the election and the actual results? Contrary to what everyone was bemoaning on the 4th November, my feelinig is they were not far off at all.
  • IshmaelZ said:

    Well the govt has opened Pandora's box here.

    The plebs will see this as an excuse to no longer self isolate.

    https://twitter.com/grantshapps/status/1334543848333332482

    One step forward, two steps back.

    What are they thinking?
    Shapps has had a bad COVID - he's consistently fecked up - the UK's border/quarantine policy has been risible - and announcing this before the conditions are available is pathetic:

    https://twitter.com/grantshapps/status/1334544304254177280?s=20
    I love the way he actually gets "high value" into one tweet and "elite" into the other, when "some" would do in either case.
    Seasonal poultry workers are on the high value list, its a weird mix.
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