I cannot tell you how angry your stance on the US Elections Markets is making me and how disinclined i am to bet on markets in the future.
All other betting firms have closed the following markets can you supply your rationale for not settling the following
1. Biden Popular Vote Biden is currently on 81,012,489 votes. Why has Biden over 75m not settled
2. Georgia State Betting Democrats to win. Georgia Certified its results on 20/11/20 as a Democratic win with a margin of almost 13,000 there are no court challenges outstanding why is it not settled?
3. Arizona State Betting Democrats to win. Arizona Certified its results on 30/11/20 as a Democratic win with a margin of more than 10,000 there are no court challenges outstanding why is it not settled?
4.Pensylvania State Betting Democrats to win. Pensylvania Certified its results on 24/11/20 as a Democratic win with a margin of more than 80,000 there are no court challenges outstanding that can impact that number of votes, why is it not settled?
I look forward to a speedy response to the 4 points above. If none is received by 6/12/20 I will contact the Gambling Commission who i am aware have already been contacted by many Betfair Customers due to you refusing to settle the main Presedential market in accordance with your own rules
I cannot tell you how angry your stance on the US Elections Markets is making me and how disinclined i am to bet on markets in the future.
All other betting firms have closed the following markets can you supply your rationale for not settling the following
1. Biden Popular Vote Biden is currently on 81,012,489 votes. Why has Biden over 75m not settled
2. Georgia State Betting Democrats to win. Georgia Certified its results on 20/11/20 as a Democratic win with a margin of almost 13,000 there are no court challenges outstanding why is it not settled?
3. Arizona State Betting Democrats to win. Arizona Certified its results on 30/11/20 as a Democratic win with a margin of more than 10,000 there are no court challenges outstanding why is it not settled?
4.Pensylvania State Betting Democrats to win. Pensylvania Certified its results on 24/11/20 as a Democratic win with a margin of more than 80,000 there are no court challenges outstanding that can impact that number of votes, why is it not settled?
I look forward to a speedy response to the 4 points above. If none is received by 6/12/20 I will contact the Gambling Commission who i am aware have already been contacted by many Betfair Customers due to you refusing to settle the main Presedential market in accordance with your own rules
Their response received in less than 4hrs - get fucked we can do what we want
I cannot tell you how angry your stance on the US Elections Markets is making me and how disinclined i am to bet on markets in the future.
All other betting firms have closed the following markets can you supply your rationale for not settling the following
1. Biden Popular Vote Biden is currently on 81,012,489 votes. Why has Biden over 75m not settled
2. Georgia State Betting Democrats to win. Georgia Certified its results on 20/11/20 as a Democratic win with a margin of almost 13,000 there are no court challenges outstanding why is it not settled?
3. Arizona State Betting Democrats to win. Arizona Certified its results on 30/11/20 as a Democratic win with a margin of more than 10,000 there are no court challenges outstanding why is it not settled?
4.Pensylvania State Betting Democrats to win. Pensylvania Certified its results on 24/11/20 as a Democratic win with a margin of more than 80,000 there are no court challenges outstanding that can impact that number of votes, why is it not settled?
I look forward to a speedy response to the 4 points above. If none is received by 6/12/20 I will contact the Gambling Commission who i am aware have already been contacted by many Betfair Customers due to you refusing to settle the main Presedential market in accordance with your own rules
Good for you. Well done. I'm glad I have pretty much cashed out of the Biden market. Now a total joke.
I cannot tell you how angry your stance on the US Elections Markets is making me and how disinclined i am to bet on markets in the future.
All other betting firms have closed the following markets can you supply your rationale for not settling the following
1. Biden Popular Vote Biden is currently on 81,012,489 votes. Why has Biden over 75m not settled
2. Georgia State Betting Democrats to win. Georgia Certified its results on 20/11/20 as a Democratic win with a margin of almost 13,000 there are no court challenges outstanding why is it not settled?
3. Arizona State Betting Democrats to win. Arizona Certified its results on 30/11/20 as a Democratic win with a margin of more than 10,000 there are no court challenges outstanding why is it not settled?
4.Pensylvania State Betting Democrats to win. Pensylvania Certified its results on 24/11/20 as a Democratic win with a margin of more than 80,000 there are no court challenges outstanding that can impact that number of votes, why is it not settled?
I look forward to a speedy response to the 4 points above. If none is received by 6/12/20 I will contact the Gambling Commission who i am aware have already been contacted by many Betfair Customers due to you refusing to settle the main Presedential market in accordance with your own rules
Their response received in less than 4hrs - get fucked we can do what we want
Good on you. You going to contact the Commission given the nature of their reply?
I cannot tell you how angry your stance on the US Elections Markets is making me and how disinclined i am to bet on markets in the future.
All other betting firms have closed the following markets can you supply your rationale for not settling the following
1. Biden Popular Vote Biden is currently on 81,012,489 votes. Why has Biden over 75m not settled
2. Georgia State Betting Democrats to win. Georgia Certified its results on 20/11/20 as a Democratic win with a margin of almost 13,000 there are no court challenges outstanding why is it not settled?
3. Arizona State Betting Democrats to win. Arizona Certified its results on 30/11/20 as a Democratic win with a margin of more than 10,000 there are no court challenges outstanding why is it not settled?
4.Pensylvania State Betting Democrats to win. Pensylvania Certified its results on 24/11/20 as a Democratic win with a margin of more than 80,000 there are no court challenges outstanding that can impact that number of votes, why is it not settled?
I look forward to a speedy response to the 4 points above. If none is received by 6/12/20 I will contact the Gambling Commission who i am aware have already been contacted by many Betfair Customers due to you refusing to settle the main Presedential market in accordance with your own rules
Their response received in less than 4hrs - get fucked we can do what we want
From having prepared many a response in my time, even one that short and to the point would probably take awhile to get approved
I've been reading about it since before it was launched, but I wasn't expecting it to be quite so good.
The world, and science, have moved forwards massively in my lifetime and continue to do so.
But we've definitely got worse at sharing that with the general public. One of the reasons I've done what I've done is BBC1 primetime shows like QED and Tomorrow's World. They don't exist in the same way now, and that's a shame.
I cannot tell you how angry your stance on the US Elections Markets is making me and how disinclined i am to bet on markets in the future.
All other betting firms have closed the following markets can you supply your rationale for not settling the following
1. Biden Popular Vote Biden is currently on 81,012,489 votes. Why has Biden over 75m not settled
2. Georgia State Betting Democrats to win. Georgia Certified its results on 20/11/20 as a Democratic win with a margin of almost 13,000 there are no court challenges outstanding why is it not settled?
3. Arizona State Betting Democrats to win. Arizona Certified its results on 30/11/20 as a Democratic win with a margin of more than 10,000 there are no court challenges outstanding why is it not settled?
4.Pensylvania State Betting Democrats to win. Pensylvania Certified its results on 24/11/20 as a Democratic win with a margin of more than 80,000 there are no court challenges outstanding that can impact that number of votes, why is it not settled?
I look forward to a speedy response to the 4 points above. If none is received by 6/12/20 I will contact the Gambling Commission who i am aware have already been contacted by many Betfair Customers due to you refusing to settle the main Presedential market in accordance with your own rules
Their response received in less than 4hrs - get fucked we can do what we want
Good on you. You going to contact the Commission given the nature of their reply?
Their reply didnt address any of the 4 points raised and just quoted there right to keep markets open whilst ever there was uncertainty.
I have sent a 2nd e mail saying there is certainty on eg over 75m and asking them to address my specific points and am copying the correspondence to GC
Betfair aren't settling because they're simply making too much money from keeping it open. It's in all punters interests to settle the market, those with profits anyway, but not theirs.
If JVT is saying (bbc news) that 99% of hospital cases and deaths could be blocked by a big uptake of vaccine in phase 1 then surely we can unlock as soon as that phase is done?
If JVT is saying (bbc news) that 99% of hospital cases and deaths could be blocked by a big uptake of vaccine in phase 1 then surely we can unlock as soon as that phase is done?
I cannot tell you how angry your stance on the US Elections Markets is making me and how disinclined i am to bet on markets in the future.
All other betting firms have closed the following markets can you supply your rationale for not settling the following
1. Biden Popular Vote Biden is currently on 81,012,489 votes. Why has Biden over 75m not settled
2. Georgia State Betting Democrats to win. Georgia Certified its results on 20/11/20 as a Democratic win with a margin of almost 13,000 there are no court challenges outstanding why is it not settled?
3. Arizona State Betting Democrats to win. Arizona Certified its results on 30/11/20 as a Democratic win with a margin of more than 10,000 there are no court challenges outstanding why is it not settled?
4.Pensylvania State Betting Democrats to win. Pensylvania Certified its results on 24/11/20 as a Democratic win with a margin of more than 80,000 there are no court challenges outstanding that can impact that number of votes, why is it not settled?
I look forward to a speedy response to the 4 points above. If none is received by 6/12/20 I will contact the Gambling Commission who i am aware have already been contacted by many Betfair Customers due to you refusing to settle the main Presedential market in accordance with your own rules
Good for you. Well done. I'm glad I have pretty much cashed out of the Biden market. Now a total joke.
I only have about £400 profit tied up in these markets but its the bloody principle they are taking the piss
If JVT is saying (bbc news) that 99% of hospital cases and deaths could be blocked by a big uptake of vaccine in phase 1 then surely we can unlock as soon as that phase is done?
If JVT is saying (bbc news) that 99% of hospital cases and deaths could be blocked by a big uptake of vaccine in phase 1 then surely we can unlock as soon as that phase is done?
Yes I think so definitely.
I'd still wear a mask, I'd rather not get long COVID, but even though I won't be vaccinated I'd be ok with taking my chances once my parents, grandparents and other vulnerable people are.
If JVT is saying (bbc news) that 99% of hospital cases and deaths could be blocked by a big uptake of vaccine in phase 1 then surely we can unlock as soon as that phase is done?
Yep 1 million capacity a week so about 60 weeks time. It will fly by (not)
Betfair aren't settling because they're simply making too much money from keeping it open. It's in all punters interests to settle the market, those with profits anyway, but not theirs.
It sounds sensible up to a point. I don't have a problem using some fish to grease the wheels a bit here - it is harsh to destroy fishermen's livelihoods overnight, and at any rate, it's not like we can rebuild the UK fishing industry overnight. That said, I roll my eyes slightly when I hear about 'the UK quota increasing'. These fishing stocks belong to the UK under international law. Any continuation of fishing in our waters by foreign fleets is at our behest, not the other way around.
I've been reading about it since before it was launched, but I wasn't expecting it to be quite so good.
The world, and science, have moved forwards massively in my lifetime and continue to do so.
But we've definitely got worse at sharing that with the general public. One of the reasons I've done what I've done is BBC1 primetime shows like QED and Tomorrow's World. They don't exist in the same way now, and that's a shame.
Science is blooming amazing.
I wonder if they will ever produce another one given the wealth of data produced by this satellite? Maybe a pair with one being sent up at 90° to the orbital plane using a gravity slingshot to allow a really long baseline between them? Five or 10 AUs would bump the precision up considerably.
I cannot tell you how angry your stance on the US Elections Markets is making me and how disinclined i am to bet on markets in the future.
All other betting firms have closed the following markets can you supply your rationale for not settling the following
1. Biden Popular Vote Biden is currently on 81,012,489 votes. Why has Biden over 75m not settled
2. Georgia State Betting Democrats to win. Georgia Certified its results on 20/11/20 as a Democratic win with a margin of almost 13,000 there are no court challenges outstanding why is it not settled?
3. Arizona State Betting Democrats to win. Arizona Certified its results on 30/11/20 as a Democratic win with a margin of more than 10,000 there are no court challenges outstanding why is it not settled?
4.Pensylvania State Betting Democrats to win. Pensylvania Certified its results on 24/11/20 as a Democratic win with a margin of more than 80,000 there are no court challenges outstanding that can impact that number of votes, why is it not settled?
I look forward to a speedy response to the 4 points above. If none is received by 6/12/20 I will contact the Gambling Commission who i am aware have already been contacted by many Betfair Customers due to you refusing to settle the main Presedential market in accordance with your own rules
Good for you. Well done. I'm glad I have pretty much cashed out of the Biden market. Now a total joke.
I only have about £400 profit tied up in these markets but its the bloody principle they are taking the piss
I have had a reply of sorts to my letter of complaint. It addresses none of the specific points I made and is really little more than a rehash of the bland PR statements they have put out publicly.
I'll pass it on to the Gambling Commission in the hope they can twist a few arms.
The United States set a pair of alarming coronavirus records Wednesday, surpassing 200,000 new infections and topping 100,000 covid-19 patients hospitalized — the first time the country has reached either metric in a single day.
And Robert Redfield, director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, said the worst might still be ahead. He predicted that the U.S. covid-19 death toll could reach 450,000 by February, and he warned that this winter could be “the most difficult time in the public health history of this nation.”
Indeed, and the reverse has been seen on the other side which once believed the EU had a lot to offer but we were better off working closely with them outside the club than as a member and now believes that the EU is radioactive and destroys everything it touches. The sad effect of modern polarisation.
I've been reading about it since before it was launched, but I wasn't expecting it to be quite so good.
The world, and science, have moved forwards massively in my lifetime and continue to do so.
But we've definitely got worse at sharing that with the general public. One of the reasons I've done what I've done is BBC1 primetime shows like QED and Tomorrow's World. They don't exist in the same way now, and that's a shame.
Science is blooming amazing.
I wonder if they will ever produce another one given the wealth of data produced by this satellite? Maybe a pair with one being sent up at 90° to the orbital plane using a gravity slingshot to allow a really long baseline between them? Five or 10 AUs would bump the precision up considerably.
The previous version, Hipparcos, was thirty years ago.
A lesson about dismissing a point even when valid through oratorical techniques?
Touché.
But seriously- who are these people who think the UK is inferior to the UK in every way? I doubt that even Andrew Adonis thinks that. So why post (fairly patronising) advice to people who, if they exist at all, are statistically irrelevant to the national conversation?
And the "name five of them" retort is a handy one to remember when reading a certain sort of sh1t-stirring journalism in the papers. An "anger is mounting" story can be made to stand up with quotes from an absurdly small number of unrepresentative people.
I always wondered how they survived evolution....the land where every forest and lake has something that can kill you and these things can't even work out what is the real bush they can eat.
It sounds sensible up to a point. I don't have a problem using some fish to grease the wheels a bit here - it is harsh to destroy fishermen's livelihoods overnight, and at any rate, it's not like we can rebuild the UK fishing industry overnight. That said, I roll my eyes slightly when I hear about 'the UK quota increasing'. These fishing stocks belong to the UK under international law. Any continuation of fishing in our waters by foreign fleets is at our behest, not the other way around.
Well, it depends how much, if any, of the fish the UK eats is currently imported from the EU. If none, that bit of it makes no odds. OTOH we do know that the UK exports fish to the EU and would like to continue to do so..
For what it's worth, here is Betfair's non-answer to my complaint about their handling of the US Presidential Election markets. I believe others have received similarly bland, unhelpful responses.
Dear Mr Smith,
I hope that this email finds you well.
I am writing to you in relation to your query regarding the settlement of bets placed on the Exchange markets relating to the USA Presidential Election.
I fully appreciate that you have concerns regarding the time-frame in which this market will be settled, however, settlement of the US Presidential Election and related markets will not be completed until the result is beyond doubt and unfortunately, this may take some time, given the possibility of recounts and current legal challenges filed by the Republican Party.
As such, given the highly contested nature of this election, the decision has been taken in the best interests of our customers to delay settling this market, until there is clarity around any ongoing recounts and legal challenges.
This decision has been taken in-line with our terms and conditions, which for ease of use, have been copied below:
In the event of any uncertainty about any result or potential result, Betfair reserves the right to suspend settlement of any market for an unlimited period until the uncertainty can be resolved to the reasonable satisfaction of Betfair.
Betfair reserves the right to void any market if the uncertainty regarding settlement cannot be resolved to Betfair's reasonable satisfaction.
Please note that we are keeping abreast of all developments in this on-going situation and will be settling this market as soon as there is no longer any uncertainty regarding the outcome of this election.
I fully appreciate that this is not the response which you had hoped to receive here, and I apologise for any frustration or inconvenience which this may have caused to you.
I hope that this clarifies the matter for you and should you have any further queries, please do not hesitate to reach out to our Helpdesk team.
If JVT is saying (bbc news) that 99% of hospital cases and deaths could be blocked by a big uptake of vaccine in phase 1 then surely we can unlock as soon as that phase is done?
By next Christmas then...
you're not optimistic then?
Nah, just dark humour. I expect lockdown will be over by Easter.
One of the crucial reasons we former Remainers lost the Referendum was our ambivalence towards the EU. We were totally eclipsed by Leavers' enthusiasm to leave.
Most former Remainers had no particular love for the EU. We just knew leaving would be far worse.
I've been reading about it since before it was launched, but I wasn't expecting it to be quite so good.
The world, and science, have moved forwards massively in my lifetime and continue to do so.
But we've definitely got worse at sharing that with the general public. One of the reasons I've done what I've done is BBC1 primetime shows like QED and Tomorrow's World. They don't exist in the same way now, and that's a shame.
Science is blooming amazing.
I wonder if they will ever produce another one given the wealth of data produced by this satellite? Maybe a pair with one being sent up at 90° to the orbital plane using a gravity slingshot to allow a really long baseline between them? Five or 10 AUs would bump the precision up considerably.
There is a very good reason why this is a very bad idea.
Almost all the space-borne telescopes are at the Lagrange points.
Slightly disappointing, but who wouldn’t have taken 5 million doses in arms by 31st dec 2020 at the start of the week?
Oxford on its way. May be a better solution anyway as doesn't need a -70c supply route.
How far away from approval do you reckon?
Hopefully this month. Around Christmas.
Being very selfish for the moment, I wonder what chance Mrs P and I have of celebrating our ruby wedding in New York next May as planned. 50/50 at the moment?
For what it's worth, here is Betfair's non-answer to my complaint about their handling of the US Presidential Election markets. I believe others have received similarly bland, unhelpful responses.
Dear Mr Smith,
I hope that this email finds you well.
I am writing to you in relation to your query regarding the settlement of bets placed on the Exchange markets relating to the USA Presidential Election.
I fully appreciate that you have concerns regarding the time-frame in which this market will be settled, however, settlement of the US Presidential Election and related markets will not be completed until the result is beyond doubt and unfortunately, this may take some time, given the possibility of recounts and current legal challenges filed by the Republican Party.
As such, given the highly contested nature of this election, the decision has been taken in the best interests of our customers to delay settling this market, until there is clarity around any ongoing recounts and legal challenges.
This decision has been taken in-line with our terms and conditions, which for ease of use, have been copied below:
In the event of any uncertainty about any result or potential result, Betfair reserves the right to suspend settlement of any market for an unlimited period until the uncertainty can be resolved to the reasonable satisfaction of Betfair.
Betfair reserves the right to void any market if the uncertainty regarding settlement cannot be resolved to Betfair's reasonable satisfaction.
Please note that we are keeping abreast of all developments in this on-going situation and will be settling this market as soon as there is no longer any uncertainty regarding the outcome of this election.
I fully appreciate that this is not the response which you had hoped to receive here, and I apologise for any frustration or inconvenience which this may have caused to you.
I hope that this clarifies the matter for you and should you have any further queries, please do not hesitate to reach out to our Helpdesk team.
Thanks,
Christian Escalation Management Team
Except the "uncertainty" is a baseless conspiracy theory being touted by the president.
Betfair aren't settling because they're simply making too much money from keeping it open. It's in all punters interests to settle the market, those with profits anyway, but not theirs.
It really is as simple as that.
How on earth is it in Trumps backers interests to have it settled? They can either get 3% of their money back or a tiny chance of a miracle if its kept open, or a guaranteed loss now!
The vast majority of this board will be on Biden, it is not a representative sample of the market at all.
I think Betfair should have settled it, but the bleating on here without acknowledgment that we are heavily with Biden is slightly distasteful imo. Anyone reading the very informed posters and bettors on this site can make pretty easy money from Betfair politics markets. Attacking them relentlessly does us no favours in the long run. Betfair will just think lets do the minimum we can on politics as it always brings arguments.
Well, are we British not keeping our end up? Is it because we have pulled out?
Hopefully it's because they're paying actual hookers like normal sleazebag politicians. I mean politicians wanting to have sex with each other? It's like the opposite of if Carling made orgies. It's the ultimate in perversion (Peter and Virginia Bottomly excepted. John Major and Edwina Currie not excepted.).
I've been reading about it since before it was launched, but I wasn't expecting it to be quite so good.
The world, and science, have moved forwards massively in my lifetime and continue to do so.
But we've definitely got worse at sharing that with the general public. One of the reasons I've done what I've done is BBC1 primetime shows like QED and Tomorrow's World. They don't exist in the same way now, and that's a shame.
Science is blooming amazing.
I wonder if they will ever produce another one given the wealth of data produced by this satellite? Maybe a pair with one being sent up at 90° to the orbital plane using a gravity slingshot to allow a really long baseline between them? Five or 10 AUs would bump the precision up considerably.
The previous version, Hipparcos, was thirty years ago.
It would be nice if they could launch the James Webb telescope. It is already 13 years behind its original planned launch date - back in 1997 they thought it would be in orbit in 2007
For what it's worth, here is Betfair's non-answer to my complaint about their handling of the US Presidential Election markets. I believe others have received similarly bland, unhelpful responses.
Dear Mr Smith,
I hope that this email finds you well.
I am writing to you in relation to your query regarding the settlement of bets placed on the Exchange markets relating to the USA Presidential Election.
I fully appreciate that you have concerns regarding the time-frame in which this market will be settled, however, settlement of the US Presidential Election and related markets will not be completed until the result is beyond doubt and unfortunately, this may take some time, given the possibility of recounts and current legal challenges filed by the Republican Party.
As such, given the highly contested nature of this election, the decision has been taken in the best interests of our customers to delay settling this market, until there is clarity around any ongoing recounts and legal challenges.
This decision has been taken in-line with our terms and conditions, which for ease of use, have been copied below:
In the event of any uncertainty about any result or potential result, Betfair reserves the right to suspend settlement of any market for an unlimited period until the uncertainty can be resolved to the reasonable satisfaction of Betfair.
Betfair reserves the right to void any market if the uncertainty regarding settlement cannot be resolved to Betfair's reasonable satisfaction.
Please note that we are keeping abreast of all developments in this on-going situation and will be settling this market as soon as there is no longer any uncertainty regarding the outcome of this election.
I fully appreciate that this is not the response which you had hoped to receive here, and I apologise for any frustration or inconvenience which this may have caused to you.
I hope that this clarifies the matter for you and should you have any further queries, please do not hesitate to reach out to our Helpdesk team.
So, after getting kudos for acquiring the vaccine early, the govt now plans to screw up the distribution?
No. They plan to stick to the original plan and not screw it up.
Elderly care home residents first. The MHRA need to specify how it may be distributed to them. Some had assumed that because it would go into hospitals first, it would go to NHS staff first. It's work in progress.
Slightly disappointing, but who wouldn’t have taken 5 million doses in arms by 31st dec 2020 at the start of the week?
Oxford on its way. May be a better solution anyway as doesn't need a -70c supply route.
How far away from approval do you reckon?
Hopefully this month. Around Christmas.
Being very selfish for the moment, I wonder what chance Mrs P and I have of celebrating our ruby wedding in New York next May as planned. 50/50 at the moment?
50/50 sounds about right. Let's hope it comes good (and that you both have a great time!)
It sounds sensible up to a point. I don't have a problem using some fish to grease the wheels a bit here - it is harsh to destroy fishermen's livelihoods overnight, and at any rate, it's not like we can rebuild the UK fishing industry overnight. That said, I roll my eyes slightly when I hear about 'the UK quota increasing'. These fishing stocks belong to the UK under international law. Any continuation of fishing in our waters by foreign fleets is at our behest, not the other way around.
Well, it depends how much, if any, of the fish the UK eats is currently imported from the EU. If none, that bit of it makes no odds. OTOH we do know that the UK exports fish to the EU and would like to continue to do so..
Well a lot of countries in the EU export wine to the UK and would like to continue to do so - that doesn't mean we can or should claim a proportion of the grape harvest as our own.
For what it's worth, here is Betfair's non-answer to my complaint about their handling of the US Presidential Election markets. I believe others have received similarly bland, unhelpful responses.
Dear Mr Smith,
I hope that this email finds you well.
I am writing to you in relation to your query regarding the settlement of bets placed on the Exchange markets relating to the USA Presidential Election.
I fully appreciate that you have concerns regarding the time-frame in which this market will be settled, however, settlement of the US Presidential Election and related markets will not be completed until the result is beyond doubt and unfortunately, this may take some time, given the possibility of recounts and current legal challenges filed by the Republican Party.
As such, given the highly contested nature of this election, the decision has been taken in the best interests of our customers to delay settling this market, until there is clarity around any ongoing recounts and legal challenges.
This decision has been taken in-line with our terms and conditions, which for ease of use, have been copied below:
In the event of any uncertainty about any result or potential result, Betfair reserves the right to suspend settlement of any market for an unlimited period until the uncertainty can be resolved to the reasonable satisfaction of Betfair.
Betfair reserves the right to void any market if the uncertainty regarding settlement cannot be resolved to Betfair's reasonable satisfaction.
Please note that we are keeping abreast of all developments in this on-going situation and will be settling this market as soon as there is no longer any uncertainty regarding the outcome of this election.
I fully appreciate that this is not the response which you had hoped to receive here, and I apologise for any frustration or inconvenience which this may have caused to you.
I hope that this clarifies the matter for you and should you have any further queries, please do not hesitate to reach out to our Helpdesk team.
Thanks,
Christian Escalation Management Team
Except the "uncertainty" is a baseless conspiracy theory being touted by the president.
That's both true and for the courts to decide.
Only four days left now in which new court challenges can be lodged.
Only ten days left now until this needs to be resolved.
Slightly disappointing, but who wouldn’t have taken 5 million doses in arms by 31st dec 2020 at the start of the week?
Oxford on its way. May be a better solution anyway as doesn't need a -70c supply route.
How far away from approval do you reckon?
Hopefully this month. Around Christmas.
Being very selfish for the moment, I wonder what chance Mrs P and I have of celebrating our ruby wedding in New York next May as planned. 50/50 at the moment?
How likely do you think it is the US will have inoculated a significant portion of its population by then to allow them to lift the travel ban?
I cannot tell you how angry your stance on the US Elections Markets is making me and how disinclined i am to bet on markets in the future.
All other betting firms have closed the following markets can you supply your rationale for not settling the following
1. Biden Popular Vote Biden is currently on 81,012,489 votes. Why has Biden over 75m not settled
2. Georgia State Betting Democrats to win. Georgia Certified its results on 20/11/20 as a Democratic win with a margin of almost 13,000 there are no court challenges outstanding why is it not settled?
3. Arizona State Betting Democrats to win. Arizona Certified its results on 30/11/20 as a Democratic win with a margin of more than 10,000 there are no court challenges outstanding why is it not settled?
4.Pensylvania State Betting Democrats to win. Pensylvania Certified its results on 24/11/20 as a Democratic win with a margin of more than 80,000 there are no court challenges outstanding that can impact that number of votes, why is it not settled?
I look forward to a speedy response to the 4 points above. If none is received by 6/12/20 I will contact the Gambling Commission who i am aware have already been contacted by many Betfair Customers due to you refusing to settle the main Presedential market in accordance with your own rules
Good for you. Well done. I'm glad I have pretty much cashed out of the Biden market. Now a total joke.
I only have about £400 profit tied up in these markets but its the bloody principle they are taking the piss
I have had a reply of sorts to my letter of complaint. It addresses none of the specific points I made and is really little more than a rehash of the bland PR statements they have put out publicly.
I'll pass it on to the Gambling Commission in the hope they can twist a few arms.
Copy and Paste of the response to me.
So basically myself and Peter had entirely different complaints about specific but different markets and received word for word the exact same response
You think it's not possible to name five errors made by the EU?
Easy-peasy, I'm sure. But the more interesting questions are:
1 Are the EU's errors worse than those of similar organisations?
2 Are the EU's errors so bad as to make withdrawal a wise move?
3. Is the EU quicker, or slower, than other similar organisations to acknowledge and remedy errors?
Bingo!
My thoughts exactly. The EUs sclerotic nature is its main problem for me.
Going forwards it's entirely possible the UK will make more mistakes than the EU, because the UK can act quicker and more agile than the EU. But it doesn't matter if you make mistakes so long as you're willing and able to fix them.
"Why do we fall Bruce? So we can learn to pick ourselves up.'
I've been reading about it since before it was launched, but I wasn't expecting it to be quite so good.
The world, and science, have moved forwards massively in my lifetime and continue to do so.
But we've definitely got worse at sharing that with the general public. One of the reasons I've done what I've done is BBC1 primetime shows like QED and Tomorrow's World. They don't exist in the same way now, and that's a shame.
Science is blooming amazing.
I wonder if they will ever produce another one given the wealth of data produced by this satellite? Maybe a pair with one being sent up at 90° to the orbital plane using a gravity slingshot to allow a really long baseline between them? Five or 10 AUs would bump the precision up considerably.
There is a very good reason why this is a very bad idea.
Almost all the space-borne telescopes are at the Lagrange points.
It does not give a long enough baseline using the Lagrange points (and even L3 is pointless). They are used to keep the satellites in a stable position whilst minimising the need for orbital corrections which means less fuel needs to be carried. I was thinking of a probe moving out of the solar system so a Lagrangian orbit would not be of any use. The reason for the high inclination of the trajectory is so that the probe is always in an easily accessible part of the the sky regardless of where the Earth is in its orbit.
You think it's not possible to name five errors made by the EU?
Easy-peasy, I'm sure. But the more interesting questions are:
1 Are the EU's errors worse than those of similar organisations?
2 Are the EU's errors so bad as to make withdrawal a wise move?
1. I doubt it. Though of course there aren't many organisations that are particularly similar. 2. No. The errors are not why it's a wise move to withdraw. That lies in the very nature of the organisation, not how efficient or otherwise it is in the execution of its tasks.
For what it's worth, here is Betfair's non-answer to my complaint about their handling of the US Presidential Election markets. I believe others have received similarly bland, unhelpful responses.
Dear Mr Smith,
I hope that this email finds you well.
I am writing to you in relation to your query regarding the settlement of bets placed on the Exchange markets relating to the USA Presidential Election.
I fully appreciate that you have concerns regarding the time-frame in which this market will be settled, however, settlement of the US Presidential Election and related markets will not be completed until the result is beyond doubt and unfortunately, this may take some time, given the possibility of recounts and current legal challenges filed by the Republican Party.
As such, given the highly contested nature of this election, the decision has been taken in the best interests of our customers to delay settling this market, until there is clarity around any ongoing recounts and legal challenges.
This decision has been taken in-line with our terms and conditions, which for ease of use, have been copied below:
In the event of any uncertainty about any result or potential result, Betfair reserves the right to suspend settlement of any market for an unlimited period until the uncertainty can be resolved to the reasonable satisfaction of Betfair.
Betfair reserves the right to void any market if the uncertainty regarding settlement cannot be resolved to Betfair's reasonable satisfaction.
Please note that we are keeping abreast of all developments in this on-going situation and will be settling this market as soon as there is no longer any uncertainty regarding the outcome of this election.
I fully appreciate that this is not the response which you had hoped to receive here, and I apologise for any frustration or inconvenience which this may have caused to you.
I hope that this clarifies the matter for you and should you have any further queries, please do not hesitate to reach out to our Helpdesk team.
Thanks,
Christian Escalation Management Team
"Possibility of recounts ?"
There's no possibility of recounts in any of the markets now.
Their rules were not on who would become president, it's on projected ECVs to attain the presidency.
Uncertainty in projected ECVs would be along the lines of if a state was as close as Iowa-2 which is currently a 6 vote margin.
What Betfair is doing rather than intrroduce clarity is potentially allowing false markets to come about as a potential of corrupt state legislatures, bias courts and dictatorial moves by the White House. Fortunately the superloons in GOP legislatures are outnumbered, GOP governors (Ducey, Kemp) and SoS (Raffensberger) are putting democracy above fealty to Trump, not enough WH minions are quite corrupt enough to declare huge fraud (Barr) and the judges with a couple of exceptions (MAGA McCullough springs to mind) are placing the law & constitution above any sort of fealty to Trump.
Simply put Biden is the winner of Projected ECVs. The murky depths of the US legal political system look, fortunately for the US as if they'll hold but they should never ever have entered into the Betfair market as the rules were rather simply (And well !) stated.
So, after getting kudos for acquiring the vaccine early, the govt now plans to screw up the distribution?
No. They plan to stick to the original plan and not screw it up.
Elderly care home residents first. The MHRA need to specify how it may be distributed to them. Some had assumed that because it would go into hospitals first, it would go to NHS staff first. It's work in progress.
Well then, they need to be careful how they manage the PR. If they trumpet a Great Vaccine Victory Saving Us All rather than a phased approach where "you, Jo Smith, will get it next Autumn" then people are going to get very annoyed. A lot of businesses and people want this over now, not their turn sometime late next year,,,
Slightly disappointing, but who wouldn’t have taken 5 million doses in arms by 31st dec 2020 at the start of the week?
Oxford on its way. May be a better solution anyway as doesn't need a -70c supply route.
How far away from approval do you reckon?
Hopefully this month. Around Christmas.
Being very selfish for the moment, I wonder what chance Mrs P and I have of celebrating our ruby wedding in New York next May as planned. 50/50 at the moment?
How likely do you think it is the US will have inoculated a significant portion of its population by then to allow them to lift the travel ban?
About 50/50 for that and I think 60/40 that we will have been vaccinated and be confident to travel.
But in the great scheme of things ours is a very minor issue.
Slightly disappointing, but who wouldn’t have taken 5 million doses in arms by 31st dec 2020 at the start of the week?
Oxford on its way. May be a better solution anyway as doesn't need a -70c supply route.
How far away from approval do you reckon?
Hopefully this month. Around Christmas.
Being very selfish for the moment, I wonder what chance Mrs P and I have of celebrating our ruby wedding in New York next May as planned. 50/50 at the moment?
50/50 sounds about right. Let's hope it comes good (and that you both have a great time!)
And if it doesn't ... apparently a lot of people are upgrading their cars with the money they were not allowed to spend on a summer holiday, and I expect the same is true for other high-value purchases. Congratulations and good luck.
Slightly disappointing, but who wouldn’t have taken 5 million doses in arms by 31st dec 2020 at the start of the week?
Oxford on its way. May be a better solution anyway as doesn't need a -70c supply route.
How far away from approval do you reckon?
Hopefully this month. Around Christmas.
Being very selfish for the moment, I wonder what chance Mrs P and I have of celebrating our ruby wedding in New York next May as planned. 50/50 at the moment?
How likely do you think it is the US will have inoculated a significant portion of its population by then to allow them to lift the travel ban?
About 50/50 for that and I think 60/40 that we will have been vaccinated and be confident to travel.
But in the great scheme of things ours is a very minor issue.
I'm meant to be travelling to the US on business (that cannot be done at home since it requires wire strippers and a shovel) in July. Not sure if it'll happen. Depends if the US is less of a basket case under Biden on COVID.
I cannot tell you how angry your stance on the US Elections Markets is making me and how disinclined i am to bet on markets in the future.
All other betting firms have closed the following markets can you supply your rationale for not settling the following
1. Biden Popular Vote Biden is currently on 81,012,489 votes. Why has Biden over 75m not settled
2. Georgia State Betting Democrats to win. Georgia Certified its results on 20/11/20 as a Democratic win with a margin of almost 13,000 there are no court challenges outstanding why is it not settled?
3. Arizona State Betting Democrats to win. Arizona Certified its results on 30/11/20 as a Democratic win with a margin of more than 10,000 there are no court challenges outstanding why is it not settled?
4.Pensylvania State Betting Democrats to win. Pensylvania Certified its results on 24/11/20 as a Democratic win with a margin of more than 80,000 there are no court challenges outstanding that can impact that number of votes, why is it not settled?
I look forward to a speedy response to the 4 points above. If none is received by 6/12/20 I will contact the Gambling Commission who i am aware have already been contacted by many Betfair Customers due to you refusing to settle the main Presedential market in accordance with your own rules
Their response received in less than 4hrs - get fucked we can do what we want
They must be really worried about some contingency pointed out by their lawyers, to destroy the goodwill with their punters to such an extensive degree.
If JVT is saying (bbc news) that 99% of hospital cases and deaths could be blocked by a big uptake of vaccine in phase 1 then surely we can unlock as soon as that phase is done?
By next Christmas then...
you're not optimistic then?
Nah, just dark humour. I expect lockdown will be over by Easter.
Urgh. You mentioned Easter but I think we got away with it.
Slightly disappointing, but who wouldn’t have taken 5 million doses in arms by 31st dec 2020 at the start of the week?
Oxford on its way. May be a better solution anyway as doesn't need a -70c supply route.
How far away from approval do you reckon?
Hopefully this month. Around Christmas.
Being very selfish for the moment, I wonder what chance Mrs P and I have of celebrating our ruby wedding in New York next May as planned. 50/50 at the moment?
How likely do you think it is the US will have inoculated a significant portion of its population by then to allow them to lift the travel ban?
About 50/50 for that and I think 60/40 that we will have been vaccinated and be confident to travel.
But in the great scheme of things ours is a very minor issue.
I'm meant to be travelling to the US on business (that cannot be done at home since it requires wire strippers and a shovel) in July. Not sure if it'll happen. Depends if the US is less of a basket case under Biden on COVID.
I read that as "...involves wine, strippers, and a shovel".
For what it's worth, here is Betfair's non-answer to my complaint about their handling of the US Presidential Election markets. I believe others have received similarly bland, unhelpful responses.
Dear Mr Smith,
I hope that this email finds you well.
I am writing to you in relation to your query regarding the settlement of bets placed on the Exchange markets relating to the USA Presidential Election.
I fully appreciate that you have concerns regarding the time-frame in which this market will be settled, however, settlement of the US Presidential Election and related markets will not be completed until the result is beyond doubt and unfortunately, this may take some time, given the possibility of recounts and current legal challenges filed by the Republican Party.
As such, given the highly contested nature of this election, the decision has been taken in the best interests of our customers to delay settling this market, until there is clarity around any ongoing recounts and legal challenges.
This decision has been taken in-line with our terms and conditions, which for ease of use, have been copied below:
In the event of any uncertainty about any result or potential result, Betfair reserves the right to suspend settlement of any market for an unlimited period until the uncertainty can be resolved to the reasonable satisfaction of Betfair.
Betfair reserves the right to void any market if the uncertainty regarding settlement cannot be resolved to Betfair's reasonable satisfaction.
Please note that we are keeping abreast of all developments in this on-going situation and will be settling this market as soon as there is no longer any uncertainty regarding the outcome of this election.
I fully appreciate that this is not the response which you had hoped to receive here, and I apologise for any frustration or inconvenience which this may have caused to you.
I hope that this clarifies the matter for you and should you have any further queries, please do not hesitate to reach out to our Helpdesk team.
Thanks,
Christian Escalation Management Team
"Possibility of recounts ?"
There's no possibility of recounts in any of the markets now.
Their rules were not on who would become president, it's on projected ECVs to attain the presidency.
Uncertainty in projected ECVs would be along the lines of if a state was as close as Iowa-2 which is currently a 6 vote margin.
What Betfair is doing rather than intrroduce clarity is potentially allowing false markets to come about as a potential of corrupt state legislatures, bias courts and dictatorial moves by the White House. Fortunately the superloons in GOP legislatures are outnumbered, GOP governors (Ducey, Kemp) and SoS (Raffensberger) are putting democracy above fealty to Trump, not enough WH minions are quite corrupt enough to declare huge fraud (Barr) and the judges with a couple of exceptions (MAGA McCullough springs to mind) are placing the law & constitution above any sort of fealty to Trump.
Simply put Biden is the winner of Projected ECVs. The murky depths of the US legal political system look, fortunately for the US as if they'll hold but they should never ever have entered into the Betfair market as the rules were rather simply (And well !) stated.
Under the US constitution when the Electoral College meets on December 14th that will actually confirm the next President, so unlikely to be any payouts until then absent a Trump concession
Any provision on state aid is going to need a rather short sunset clause - 24 months? - to get past Conservative MPs. They can't go into the next election with that still a thing.
For what it's worth, here is Betfair's non-answer to my complaint about their handling of the US Presidential Election markets. I believe others have received similarly bland, unhelpful responses.
Dear Mr Smith,
I hope that this email finds you well.
I am writing to you in relation to your query regarding the settlement of bets placed on the Exchange markets relating to the USA Presidential Election.
I fully appreciate that you have concerns regarding the time-frame in which this market will be settled, however, settlement of the US Presidential Election and related markets will not be completed until the result is beyond doubt and unfortunately, this may take some time, given the possibility of recounts and current legal challenges filed by the Republican Party.
As such, given the highly contested nature of this election, the decision has been taken in the best interests of our customers to delay settling this market, until there is clarity around any ongoing recounts and legal challenges.
This decision has been taken in-line with our terms and conditions, which for ease of use, have been copied below:
In the event of any uncertainty about any result or potential result, Betfair reserves the right to suspend settlement of any market for an unlimited period until the uncertainty can be resolved to the reasonable satisfaction of Betfair.
Betfair reserves the right to void any market if the uncertainty regarding settlement cannot be resolved to Betfair's reasonable satisfaction.
Please note that we are keeping abreast of all developments in this on-going situation and will be settling this market as soon as there is no longer any uncertainty regarding the outcome of this election.
I fully appreciate that this is not the response which you had hoped to receive here, and I apologise for any frustration or inconvenience which this may have caused to you.
I hope that this clarifies the matter for you and should you have any further queries, please do not hesitate to reach out to our Helpdesk team.
Thanks,
Christian Escalation Management Team
"Possibility of recounts ?"
There's no possibility of recounts in any of the markets now.
Their rules were not on who would become president, it's on projected ECVs to attain the presidency.
Uncertainty in projected ECVs would be along the lines of if a state was as close as Iowa-2 which is currently a 6 vote margin.
What Betfair is doing rather than intrroduce clarity is potentially allowing false markets to come about as a potential of corrupt state legislatures, bias courts and dictatorial moves by the White House. Fortunately the superloons in GOP legislatures are outnumbered, GOP governors (Ducey, Kemp) and SoS (Raffensberger) are putting democracy above fealty to Trump, not enough WH minions are quite corrupt enough to declare huge fraud (Barr) and the judges with a couple of exceptions (MAGA McCullough springs to mind) are placing the law & constitution above any sort of fealty to Trump.
Simply put Biden is the winner of Projected ECVs. The murky depths of the US legal political system look, fortunately for the US as if they'll hold but they should never ever have entered into the Betfair market as the rules were rather simply (And well !) stated.
Is there not the option to sue BetFair for any winnings you are due through the small claims court?
Slightly disappointing, but who wouldn’t have taken 5 million doses in arms by 31st dec 2020 at the start of the week?
Oxford on its way. May be a better solution anyway as doesn't need a -70c supply route.
How far away from approval do you reckon?
Hopefully this month. Around Christmas.
Being very selfish for the moment, I wonder what chance Mrs P and I have of celebrating our ruby wedding in New York next May as planned. 50/50 at the moment?
How likely do you think it is the US will have inoculated a significant portion of its population by then to allow them to lift the travel ban?
About 50/50 for that and I think 60/40 that we will have been vaccinated and be confident to travel.
But in the great scheme of things ours is a very minor issue.
I'm meant to be travelling to the US on business (that cannot be done at home since it requires wire strippers and a shovel) in July. Not sure if it'll happen. Depends if the US is less of a basket case under Biden on COVID.
So, after getting kudos for acquiring the vaccine early, the govt now plans to screw up the distribution?
No. They plan to stick to the original plan and not screw it up.
Elderly care home residents first. The MHRA need to specify how it may be distributed to them. Some had assumed that because it would go into hospitals first, it would go to NHS staff first. It's work in progress.
Again to mention Ebola in response to the idea that the Pfizer vaccine is somehow too difficult for wide distribution in the UK. Below 40k vaccinated in a challenging province of Congo to bring a localised outbreak under control with vaccines that also required -70.
I've been reading about it since before it was launched, but I wasn't expecting it to be quite so good.
The world, and science, have moved forwards massively in my lifetime and continue to do so.
But we've definitely got worse at sharing that with the general public. One of the reasons I've done what I've done is BBC1 primetime shows like QED and Tomorrow's World. They don't exist in the same way now, and that's a shame.
Science is blooming amazing.
I wonder if they will ever produce another one given the wealth of data produced by this satellite? Maybe a pair with one being sent up at 90° to the orbital plane using a gravity slingshot to allow a really long baseline between them? Five or 10 AUs would bump the precision up considerably.
There is a very good reason why this is a very bad idea.
Almost all the space-borne telescopes are at the Lagrange points.
It does not give a long enough baseline using the Lagrange points (and even L3 is pointless). They are used to keep the satellites in a stable position whilst minimising the need for orbital corrections which means less fuel needs to be carried. I was thinking of a probe moving out of the solar system so a Lagrangian orbit would not be of any use. The reason for the high inclination of the trajectory is so that the probe is always in an easily accessible part of the the sky regardless of where the Earth is in its orbit.
The satellite is measuring the sky positions and distances of stars, etc. The measurement of the distances comes from the parallactic motion (i.e. the annual motion of the Earth (& Lagrange point) about the Sun).
Spaceship Beibheirli zooming about the Solar system on an high inclination orbit would not be very useful for measuring parallactic motion.
So, after getting kudos for acquiring the vaccine early, the govt now plans to screw up the distribution?
No. They plan to stick to the original plan and not screw it up.
Elderly care home residents first. The MHRA need to specify how it may be distributed to them. Some had assumed that because it would go into hospitals first, it would go to NHS staff first. It's work in progress.
Supposedly they are going to opportunistically catch care home residents in hospital outpatients and inpatients and vaccinate them. Apart from the slightly random approach, it is a scheme that doesn't address how they do the second shot.
Its almost as if it has been outsourced to Grayling and Harding.
Our ICU staff find that the hardest thing. They are pretty used to patients dying, it is the nature of their work, but they find it very hard without any relatives around. It is a very cruel death.
Our Leicester numbers have improved, less than 200 inpatients now and only 25 or so on ICU, indeed we are takingpatients from other hospitals again. Nottingham still seems to be a nightmare. They have 70 odd on ICU when I last heard.
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I cannot tell you how angry your stance on the US Elections Markets is making me and how disinclined i am to bet on markets in the future.
All other betting firms have closed the following markets can you supply your rationale for not settling the following
1. Biden Popular Vote Biden is currently on 81,012,489 votes. Why has Biden over 75m not settled
2. Georgia State Betting Democrats to win. Georgia Certified its results on 20/11/20 as a Democratic win with a margin of almost 13,000 there are no court challenges outstanding why is it not settled?
3. Arizona State Betting Democrats to win. Arizona Certified its results on 30/11/20 as a Democratic win with a margin of more than 10,000 there are no court challenges outstanding why is it not settled?
4.Pensylvania State Betting Democrats to win. Pensylvania Certified its results on 24/11/20 as a Democratic win with a margin of more than 80,000 there are no court challenges outstanding that can impact that number of votes, why is it not settled?
I look forward to a speedy response to the 4 points above. If none is received by 6/12/20 I will contact the Gambling Commission who i am aware have already been contacted by many Betfair Customers due to you refusing to settle the main Presedential market in accordance with your own rules
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-55178257
I've been reading about it since before it was launched, but I wasn't expecting it to be quite so good.
No wonder Brussels is so popular with the elected.
But we've definitely got worse at sharing that with the general public. One of the reasons I've done what I've done is BBC1 primetime shows like QED and Tomorrow's World. They don't exist in the same way now, and that's a shame.
Science is blooming amazing.
I have sent a 2nd e mail saying there is certainty on eg over 75m and asking them to address my specific points and am copying the correspondence to GC
It really is as simple as that.
Name five of them.
I'd still wear a mask, I'd rather not get long COVID, but even though I won't be vaccinated I'd be ok with taking my chances once my parents, grandparents and other vulnerable people are.
I'll pass it on to the Gambling Commission in the hope they can twist a few arms.
https://twitter.com/RT_com/status/1334622187517513728?s=20
And Robert Redfield, director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, said the worst might still be ahead. He predicted that the U.S. covid-19 death toll could reach 450,000 by February, and he warned that this winter could be “the most difficult time in the public health history of this nation.”
washington post
https://tinyurl.com/y394kz9p
https://www.cosmos.esa.int/web/hipparcos
But seriously- who are these people who think the UK is inferior to the UK in every way? I doubt that even Andrew Adonis thinks that. So why post (fairly patronising) advice to people who, if they exist at all, are statistically irrelevant to the national conversation?
And the "name five of them" retort is a handy one to remember when reading a certain sort of sh1t-stirring journalism in the papers. An "anger is mounting" story can be made to stand up with quotes from an absurdly small number of unrepresentative people.
https://twitter.com/guardian/status/1334380172888350720?s=19
1 Are the EU's errors worse than those of similar organisations?
2 Are the EU's errors so bad as to make withdrawal a wise move?
Dear Mr Smith,
I hope that this email finds you well.
I am writing to you in relation to your query regarding the settlement of bets placed on the Exchange markets relating to the USA Presidential Election.
I fully appreciate that you have concerns regarding the time-frame in which this market will be settled, however, settlement of the US Presidential Election and related markets will not be completed until the result is beyond doubt and unfortunately, this may take some time, given the possibility of recounts and current legal challenges filed by the Republican Party.
As such, given the highly contested nature of this election, the decision has been taken in the best interests of our customers to delay settling this market, until there is clarity around any ongoing recounts and legal challenges.
This decision has been taken in-line with our terms and conditions, which for ease of use, have been copied below:
In the event of any uncertainty about any result or potential result, Betfair reserves the right to suspend settlement of any market for an unlimited period until the uncertainty can be resolved to the reasonable satisfaction of Betfair.
Betfair reserves the right to void any market if the uncertainty regarding settlement cannot be resolved to Betfair's reasonable satisfaction.
Please note that we are keeping abreast of all developments in this on-going situation and will be settling this market as soon as there is no longer any uncertainty regarding the outcome of this election.
I fully appreciate that this is not the response which you had hoped to receive here, and I apologise for any frustration or inconvenience which this may have caused to you.
I hope that this clarifies the matter for you and should you have any further queries, please do not hesitate to reach out to our Helpdesk team.
Thanks,
Christian
Escalation Management Team
One of the crucial reasons we former Remainers lost the Referendum was our ambivalence towards the EU. We were totally eclipsed by Leavers' enthusiasm to leave.
Most former Remainers had no particular love for the EU. We just knew leaving would be far worse.
Almost all the space-borne telescopes are at the Lagrange points.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_objects_at_Lagrange_points
They are "parked" relative to the Sun and Earth.
https://twitter.com/FrankLuntz/status/1334565556721053696
The vast majority of this board will be on Biden, it is not a representative sample of the market at all.
I think Betfair should have settled it, but the bleating on here without acknowledgment that we are heavily with Biden is slightly distasteful imo. Anyone reading the very informed posters and bettors on this site can make pretty easy money from Betfair politics markets. Attacking them relentlessly does us no favours in the long run. Betfair will just think lets do the minimum we can on politics as it always brings arguments.
It would be nice if they could launch the James Webb telescope. It is already 13 years behind its original planned launch date - back in 1997 they thought it would be in orbit in 2007
Elderly care home residents first. The MHRA need to specify how it may be distributed to them. Some had assumed that because it would go into hospitals first, it would go to NHS staff first. It's work in progress.
Only four days left now in which new court challenges can be lodged.
Only ten days left now until this needs to be resolved.
So basically myself and Peter had entirely different complaints about specific but different markets and received word for word the exact same response
Only one word different
Smith
My thoughts exactly. The EUs sclerotic nature is its main problem for me.
Going forwards it's entirely possible the UK will make more mistakes than the EU, because the UK can act quicker and more agile than the EU. But it doesn't matter if you make mistakes so long as you're willing and able to fix them.
"Why do we fall Bruce? So we can learn to pick ourselves up.'
2. No. The errors are not why it's a wise move to withdraw. That lies in the very nature of the organisation, not how efficient or otherwise it is in the execution of its tasks.
There's no possibility of recounts in any of the markets now.
Their rules were not on who would become president, it's on projected ECVs to attain the presidency.
Uncertainty in projected ECVs would be along the lines of if a state was as close as Iowa-2 which is currently a 6 vote margin.
What Betfair is doing rather than intrroduce clarity is potentially allowing false markets to come about as a potential of corrupt state legislatures, bias courts and dictatorial moves by the White House.
Fortunately the superloons in GOP legislatures are outnumbered, GOP governors (Ducey, Kemp) and SoS (Raffensberger) are putting democracy above fealty to Trump, not enough WH minions are quite corrupt enough to declare huge fraud (Barr) and the judges with a couple of exceptions (MAGA McCullough springs to mind) are placing the law & constitution above any sort of fealty to Trump.
Simply put Biden is the winner of Projected ECVs. The murky depths of the US legal political system look, fortunately for the US as if they'll hold but they should never ever have entered into the Betfair market as the rules were rather simply (And well !) stated.
https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/1334629443889979393?s=20
Behind the curve:
https://twitter.com/FT/status/1334629643933126659?s=20
But in the great scheme of things ours is a very minor issue.
You mentioned Easter but I think we got away with it.
It must really infuriate Trump that he has only 88.7m Twitter followers compared to Obama's 126.9m.
I have no particular issue with Fauci, but America is crazy to have such a gerontocracy. Let the poor bugger put his feet up.
That's some 'business trip'. 😂
https://twitter.com/roto_tudor/status/1334534101265682434?s=20
https://news.un.org/en/story/2020/11/1077912
Spaceship Beibheirli zooming about the Solar system on an high inclination orbit would not be very useful for measuring parallactic motion.
https://twitter.com/QuentinAries/status/1334596958204407812
Its almost as if it has been outsourced to Grayling and Harding.
First time out apart from exercise since the start of lockdown2.
Quite busy but 100% mask compliance by everyone we saw - good distancing - all felt very sober, sensible and safe.
"Anthony Fauci: Britain was too quick to approve Covid vaccine"
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/anthony-fauci-britain-was-too-quick-to-approve-covid-vaccine-587vv3c6x
Our Leicester numbers have improved, less than 200 inpatients now and only 25 or so on ICU, indeed we are takingpatients from other hospitals again. Nottingham still seems to be a nightmare. They have 70 odd on ICU when I last heard.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-55177948