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Could Attorney-General Barr be next in line to be sacked by Trump? – politicalbetting.com

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edited December 2020 in General
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  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,914
    It'll depend whether Trump's sense of humour has finally deserted him
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,381
    A G Barr, don't they make Irn Bru?
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,601
    Mexicanpete said:

    A G Barr, don't they make Irn Bru?

    At first I thought there was a link with the actor who played IrnSde, but he was Burr....
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,381
    MarqueeMark said:

    Mexicanpete said:

    A G Barr, don't they make Irn Bru?

    At first I thought there was a link with the actor who played IrnSde, but he was Burr....
    Bill Barr is no Perry Mason!
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,381
    Roger said:

    It'll depend whether Trump's sense of humour has finally deserted him

    A G Sidney Powell has a ring to it.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    Can Trump name a replacement without Senate hearings or would a deputy takeover?

    If the latter is the deputy any more likely to back his lies? Or would it be sackings all the way down until he finds someone willing to back him?
  • kjhkjh Posts: 11,804
    Philip_Thompson said:

    Can Trump name a replacement without Senate hearings or would a deputy takeover?

    If the latter is the deputy any more likely to back his lies? Or would it be sackings all the way down until he finds someone willing to back him?

    Who would be mad enough to take the job? Not the longest of tenues.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,126
    CarlottaVance said:

    https://twitter.com/leonardocarella/status/1334539586106765319?s=20
    https://twitter.com/leonardocarella/status/1334540347398107137?s=20

    Even with the lag, seems like lockdown should have continued, given that.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,667
    https://twitter.com/matt_dathan/status/1334541217359650821
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,667
    edited December 2020
    On topic, lock them both up.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 41,998
    Elton's looking more statesmanlike as the year's pass
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,590
    Grim news from Italy, nearly a thousands deaths reported today.

    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,667
    edited December 2020
    Philip_Thompson said:

    Can Trump name a replacement without Senate hearings or would a deputy takeover?

    If the latter is the deputy any more likely to back his lies? Or would it be sackings all the way down until he finds someone willing to back him?

    He can do either.

    However AIUI the acting AG has to be someone previously confirmed by the Senate in their current role.

    He cannot for example make Rudi G or Ivanka the acting AG.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,126
    I'm somewhat at a loss to understand why Barr made his recent comments. His precious actions for Trump don't suggest much commitment to institutions or process such that he felt compelled to be honest, and even if hecannot find evidence to support what Trump has been spewing it's surprising he even went as far as he did in upsetting Trump.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    https://twitter.com/MikeHolden42/status/1334137920157048833?s=20
  • GaussianGaussian Posts: 831
    kle4 said:

    I'm somewhat at a loss to understand why Barr made his recent comments. His precious actions for Trump don't suggest much commitment to institutions or process such that he felt compelled to be honest, and even if hecannot find evidence to support what Trump has been spewing it's surprising he even went as far as he did in upsetting Trump.

    Trying to salvage a tiny bit of pride and reputation from the wreckage?
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,914
    Who'd kick a man when he's down?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZiV5N0qU_vI
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    FPT
    Stuartinromford said:

    Philip_Thompson said:

    Stuartinromford said:

    williamglenn said:

    Philip_Thompson said:

    Stuartinromford said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Gallowgate said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Gallowgate said:

    Richard_Nabavi said:

    Interesting tweet, from a well-informed source:

    https://twitter.com/Mij_Europe/status/1334515838636978176

    This doesn’t sound like the EU buckling to me.
    This idea anyone is buckling ignores any negotiations where a deal is being thrashed out

    Maybe wait for the detail if and when a deal is struck
    Eh? I'm not one of the few who's been saying for months that the EU would "buckle" because "we hold all the cards".

    Frankly I'm happy that a deal looks closer today.
    I have never believed we hold all the cards but equally neither does the EU

    A deal needs compromise on both sides
    Has anyone said the UK has no cards?

    I can think of people, here and in the public space, who have said that the UK has all the cards, or pocket aces or whatever.

    I can also think of people who think that the UK has fewer, and lower value, cards than the EU, and that we've not played them as smartly as we could have.

    So the logic is that, when a deal comes (and it will have to, because the UK really needs a deal), it will be much closer to the EU's vision than the UK's. A body representing more people and more GDP is bound to have a dominant say in such a situation. From a purely democratic point of view, that's how it should be.

    So yes- there will be compromises on both sides. But one side is going to continue to compromise much more than the other. From this starting point, I'm OK with that, because the alternative is even worse. But is the Conservative Party as currently configured going to be OK with that?
    Sure Tories are OK with it since its the EU that will be compromising more.

    Its really simple. Divergence not possible = EU vision. Divergence possible = UK vision.
    The EU is not saying that divergence isn't possible, just that you can't get a free ride while doing so.
    And from memory, the question about divergence/retaliation was more about the extent. The UK wanted a model of "if the UK unilaterally diverges on X, the EU can retaliate on X and only X", whereas the EU wanted a model of "if the UK diverges on X, we will take a sovereign decision of where we retaliate".

    The UK's model might sound fairer, but it means that the UK can unpick any compromises it makes to get The Deal. And even if the EU can do the same, they're not interested in playing that game.

    But the landing point matters. If the UK has absolute freedom to diverge, it's not offering much to get the benefits it wants. If the penalties of divergence are pitched sufficiently high, the UK has a freedom to diverge that it will never be in the UK's interests to exercise. And what's the point of that?
    If you're OK with No Deal as I am and as many Tory MPs are then its not possible for the penalties of divergence to be pitched that high. A deal with the UK having unilateral control of our laws is an absolute win/win as we gain both the freedom to set our own laws and we have a deal. That would be fantastic.

    That is why Barnier has been against that. He wants us tied down and committed, no ifs or buts. If the worst the EU has is retaliations and the UK isn't tied down then we're trading on similar terms to WTO (which operates the same way) but with a deal. Great, what's not to like?
    But that only works if Phillip's understanding of international trade is better than all those silly people who waste time compromising sovereignty to agree trade deals. Or that mad fool Mrs Thatcher when she pushed for the single market.

    It only works if Phillip's understanding of business logistics is better than the people who do it for a living.

    It only works if Phillip's understanding of the business of selling fish is better than people who do it as their job.

    Now that's all possible...
    No. I am just one voter and rather inconsequential in the big picture.

    The point is if that is the deal then the control will be in Parliament's hands. Which is all I have ever wanted.

    So that will mean it matters not what I think, nor you, nor fishermen nor logistics businesses, nor importers nor exporters. What matters is instead how the Commons votes and the Commons will vote depending upon how everyone - fishermen, logisticians, business people, you and me can each get our say at the ballot box.

    It is democracy. It is sovereign control. It is what we voted for five years ago!
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    edited December 2020
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Oh my.

    https://twitter.com/PpollingNumbers/status/1334542444684308480

    Winchester 1997.

    Fingers crossed. I'm sceptical.

    Though it wouldn't surprise me if it's Warnock and the crookPerdue who get elected.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,766
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Oh my.

    https://twitter.com/PpollingNumbers/status/1334542444684308480

    How many abstentions from Trump supporters who now don't believe in ballots?
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 36,001
    https://twitter.com/JenniferJJacobs/status/1334545177449558016
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,126
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Oh my.

    https://twitter.com/PpollingNumbers/status/1334542444684308480

    Fingers crossed. They almost seem like they want to lose, since there seem far easier ways to complain about the election result which don't encourage your supporters not to vote, but the state is clearly highly polarised so who the hell knows.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,126
    Gaussian said:

    kle4 said:

    I'm somewhat at a loss to understand why Barr made his recent comments. His precious actions for Trump don't suggest much commitment to institutions or process such that he felt compelled to be honest, and even if hecannot find evidence to support what Trump has been spewing it's surprising he even went as far as he did in upsetting Trump.

    Trying to salvage a tiny bit of pride and reputation from the wreckage?
    I suppose it's technically never too late, but halfway through the suicidal cavalry charge is an odd time to have second thoughts.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    Avonmouth Wessex Water tank explosion - four fatalities, one injury, non-life threatening.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,355
    CarlottaVance said:

    https://twitter.com/MikeHolden42/status/1334137920157048833?s=20

    Some real loonies running about
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    kle4 said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Oh my.

    https://twitter.com/PpollingNumbers/status/1334542444684308480

    Fingers crossed. They almost seem like they want to lose, since there seem far easier ways to complain about the election result which don't encourage your supporters not to vote, but the state is clearly highly polarised so who the hell knows.
    The big unknown is if Democrats will be motivated enough to GOTV? Normally after winning people are less motivated but Trumps actions are going to stoke Democrats.
  • GaussianGaussian Posts: 831
    Philip_Thompson said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Oh my.

    https://twitter.com/PpollingNumbers/status/1334542444684308480

    Winchester 1997.

    Fingers crossed. I'm sceptical.

    Though it wouldn't surprise me if it's Warnock and the crookPerdue who get elected.
    Fwiw, Georgia was about the only battleground state that the polls had right.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 41,998
    Philip_Thompson said:

    kle4 said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Oh my.

    https://twitter.com/PpollingNumbers/status/1334542444684308480

    Fingers crossed. They almost seem like they want to lose, since there seem far easier ways to complain about the election result which don't encourage your supporters not to vote, but the state is clearly highly polarised so who the hell knows.
    The big unknown is if Democrats will be motivated enough to GOTV? Normally after winning people are less motivated but Trumps actions are going to stoke Democrats.
    Being told repeatedly that you haven't won by the POTUS might be mildly motivating?
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,858
    Andy_JS said:

    Grim news from Italy, nearly a thousands deaths reported today.

    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

    They are going to overtake us in the number of deaths some time early next week. And in cases probably even before that. Italy has had a really bad run, sadly.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,858
    kle4 said:

    Gaussian said:

    kle4 said:

    I'm somewhat at a loss to understand why Barr made his recent comments. His precious actions for Trump don't suggest much commitment to institutions or process such that he felt compelled to be honest, and even if hecannot find evidence to support what Trump has been spewing it's surprising he even went as far as he did in upsetting Trump.

    Trying to salvage a tiny bit of pride and reputation from the wreckage?
    I suppose it's technically never too late, but halfway through the suicidal cavalry charge is an odd time to have second thoughts.
    Harry Flashman didn't think so.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,667
    Philip_Thompson said:

    kle4 said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Oh my.

    https://twitter.com/PpollingNumbers/status/1334542444684308480

    Fingers crossed. They almost seem like they want to lose, since there seem far easier ways to complain about the election result which don't encourage your supporters not to vote, but the state is clearly highly polarised so who the hell knows.
    The big unknown is if Democrats will be motivated enough to GOTV? Normally after winning people are less motivated but Trumps actions are going to stoke Democrats.
    Stacey Abrams is still doing her magic in Georgia.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,126

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Philip_Thompson said:

    kle4 said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Oh my.

    https://twitter.com/PpollingNumbers/status/1334542444684308480

    Fingers crossed. They almost seem like they want to lose, since there seem far easier ways to complain about the election result which don't encourage your supporters not to vote, but the state is clearly highly polarised so who the hell knows.
    The big unknown is if Democrats will be motivated enough to GOTV? Normally after winning people are less motivated but Trumps actions are going to stoke Democrats.
    Stacey Abrams is still doing her magic in Georgia.
    They won by 'magic'? Obviously code for rigging it. Witches aren't allowed to vote, it's in the constitution.
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,821
    Trump's gonna run out of henchmen to sack, soon.
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,821
    https://twitter.com/adamparsons/status/1334546609426853891
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,858
    malcolmg said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    https://twitter.com/MikeHolden42/status/1334137920157048833?s=20

    Some real loonies running about
    I think its a joke Malcolm.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,858
    Richard_Nabavi said:

    https://twitter.com/adamparsons/status/1334546609426853891

    We do seem to be edging forward but lord, this is slow.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,221
    Scott_xP said:

    https://twitter.com/JenniferJJacobs/status/1334545177449558016

    Trump calling on Barr to investigate him ?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,126
    edited December 2020
    "Do you want to actually get something done, or do you want to feel good among the people you already agree with?"

    When Obama was in office was he quite this, er, cutting on the louder elements within the Democrats? Or is he just less inclined to restrain himself now he's not president?

    https://twitter.com/fran_chambers/status/1334120230864433156/photo/1
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,036
    edited December 2020
    Scott_xP said:

    https://twitter.com/JenniferJJacobs/status/1334545177449558016

    AG Barr. Made in Scotland from girders?

    Edit. I see that I'm an hour too late with that one!

    However, I will add that if the electoral college is 269-269, AG Barr can declare it a Tizer!
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,205
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Oh my.

    https://twitter.com/PpollingNumbers/status/1334542444684308480

    It'll be close. Chance of Purdue/Warner
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    kle4 said:

    Gaussian said:

    kle4 said:

    I'm somewhat at a loss to understand why Barr made his recent comments. His precious actions for Trump don't suggest much commitment to institutions or process such that he felt compelled to be honest, and even if hecannot find evidence to support what Trump has been spewing it's surprising he even went as far as he did in upsetting Trump.

    Trying to salvage a tiny bit of pride and reputation from the wreckage?
    I suppose it's technically never too late, but halfway through the suicidal cavalry charge is an odd time to have second thoughts.
    Rats off a sinking ship comes to mind. Or the "for Wales" quote too.

    It's one thing being a stooge for dodgy stuff when you can get your way and make your mark for years.

    But when you know your side has lost, you know you're going to be out of a job either way, you know your own side is trying to steal an election (and not even doing a good job about it) and you know there could be lawsuits or investigations into the antics in the future then getting out of dodge and gaining some plausible deniability from the loonies can be ideal.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,102
    edited December 2020
    Starmer saying just now he will vote for a deal is going to ruffle a lot of feathers in the remain community
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 41,998
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Starmer saying just now he will vote for a deal is going to ruffle a lot of feathers in the remain community

    'the remain community'

    What's this, now?
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,102
    Theuniondivvie said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Starmer saying just now he will vote for a deal is going to ruffle a lot of feathers in the remain community

    'the remain community'

    What's this, now?
    Those who mourn the EU
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,355
    DavidL said:

    malcolmg said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    https://twitter.com/MikeHolden42/status/1334137920157048833?s=20

    Some real loonies running about
    I think its a joke Malcolm.
    Unfortunately David there are people out there that believe that, he may be jesting but you see it on social media all the time. There are loonies aplenty, look at this

    Scottish independence: Tories' obsession reaches new heights in campaign leaflet
    https://www.thenational.scot/news/18918554.scottish-independence-tories-obsession-reaches-new-heights-campaign-leaflet/?ref=twtrec
  • GaussianGaussian Posts: 831
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Starmer saying just now he will vote for a deal is going to ruffle a lot of feathers in the remain community

    It will also maximize the ERG vote against any deal.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,868
    edited December 2020
    malcolmg said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    https://twitter.com/MikeHolden42/status/1334137920157048833?s=20

    Some real loonies running about
    At least with his iPhone they can track where he is.... ;)
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    edited December 2020
    How not to do it:

    https://twitter.com/GaryBurgessCI/status/1334554012750934021?s=20

    That's the equivalent of 41,000 cases in the UK
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,102
    Gaussian said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Starmer saying just now he will vote for a deal is going to ruffle a lot of feathers in the remain community

    It will also maximize the ERG vote against any deal.
    I doubt it, maybe a few diehards
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 41,998
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Starmer saying just now he will vote for a deal is going to ruffle a lot of feathers in the remain community

    'the remain community'

    What's this, now?
    Those who mourn the EU
    Probably different round your bit, but the majority of the people in my country are a little bit sad about being forced out of the EU against their will. Whether they're a community or in mourning could be debated I guess.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 15,798
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Starmer saying just now he will vote for a deal is going to ruffle a lot of feathers in the remain community

    'the remain community'

    What's this, now?
    Those who mourn the EU
    OMG the EU died! Why did nobody tell me? If the EU has died who have we been negotiating with for the last four years (and for the next thirty)?
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,102
    edited December 2020
    OnlyLivingBoy said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Starmer saying just now he will vote for a deal is going to ruffle a lot of feathers in the remain community

    'the remain community'

    What's this, now?
    Those who mourn the EU
    OMG the EU died! Why did nobody tell me? If the EU has died who have we been negotiating with for the last four years (and for the next thirty)?
    Pedantic comment.

    Many mourn the UK leaving the EU
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    Survey USA put up extensive demographic tables and usually lots of supplemental questions.

    So there will be plenty to dig into.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=ea81d6f1-db8e-4f77-b44a-63e9893acc3e

    Question 10, chef kiss.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,209
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    OnlyLivingBoy said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Starmer saying just now he will vote for a deal is going to ruffle a lot of feathers in the remain community

    'the remain community'

    What's this, now?
    Those who mourn the EU
    OMG the EU died! Why did nobody tell me? If the EU has died who have we been negotiating with for the last four years (and for the next thirty)?
    Pedantic comment.

    Many mourn the UK leaving the EU
    FYI, this site is informally known as pedanticposting.com
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 15,798
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    OnlyLivingBoy said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Starmer saying just now he will vote for a deal is going to ruffle a lot of feathers in the remain community

    'the remain community'

    What's this, now?
    Those who mourn the EU
    OMG the EU died! Why did nobody tell me? If the EU has died who have we been negotiating with for the last four years (and for the next thirty)?
    Pedantic comment.

    Many mourn the UK leaving the EU
    Not being wholly pedantic. There is a kind of "fog in the Channel, Europe cut off" mentality sometimes evident on this site. I read your comment as revealing, perhaps subconsciously, a little of that mindset. As if, through our leaving, the EU had died, or at least gone away. In fact, the EU will feature even more prominently in our news and in our public life now we have left.
    Also, of course, in the long run it is more likely that Brexit kills the UK than the EU.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,355
    Theuniondivvie said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Starmer saying just now he will vote for a deal is going to ruffle a lot of feathers in the remain community

    'the remain community'

    What's this, now?
    Those who mourn the EU
    Probably different round your bit, but the majority of the people in my country are a little bit sad about being forced out of the EU against their will. Whether they're a community or in mourning could be debated I guess.
    We are pure raging TUD, time to get us direct Ferry links to Europe for sure.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,102
    OnlyLivingBoy said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    OnlyLivingBoy said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Starmer saying just now he will vote for a deal is going to ruffle a lot of feathers in the remain community

    'the remain community'

    What's this, now?
    Those who mourn the EU
    OMG the EU died! Why did nobody tell me? If the EU has died who have we been negotiating with for the last four years (and for the next thirty)?
    Pedantic comment.

    Many mourn the UK leaving the EU
    Not being wholly pedantic. There is a kind of "fog in the Channel, Europe cut off" mentality sometimes evident on this site. I read your comment as revealing, perhaps subconsciously, a little of that mindset. As if, through our leaving, the EU had died, or at least gone away. In fact, the EU will feature even more prominently in our news and in our public life now we have left.
    Also, of course, in the long run it is more likely that Brexit kills the UK than the EU.
    You have misread my comment

    I do not have such a mind set and expect in time both the UK and EU will be successful and trade closely

    Also I did vote remain
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,868
    London case data not looking good, but still not showing up in the hospitalisation/death data compared to regions with similar case levels.

    I think London simply has too much activity with or without lockdown and we're just going to have to live with a higher underlying level of infections until the vaccine programme reaches the major target groups.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 15,798
    rcs1000 said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    OnlyLivingBoy said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Starmer saying just now he will vote for a deal is going to ruffle a lot of feathers in the remain community

    'the remain community'

    What's this, now?
    Those who mourn the EU
    OMG the EU died! Why did nobody tell me? If the EU has died who have we been negotiating with for the last four years (and for the next thirty)?
    Pedantic comment.

    Many mourn the UK leaving the EU
    FYI, this site is informally known as pedanticposting.com
    Of course. It is a site for people who enjoy trying to convince strangers on the Internet that they are wrong. That such people exhibit pedantic tendencies is surely a given.
  • Fysics_TeacherFysics_Teacher Posts: 6,285
    Can I say that I was impressed with this from Barr:

    "To date, we have not seen fraud on a scale that could have effected a different outcome in the election," Barr said.

    Using effect as a verb correctly!
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,102
    malcolmg said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Starmer saying just now he will vote for a deal is going to ruffle a lot of feathers in the remain community

    'the remain community'

    What's this, now?
    Those who mourn the EU
    Probably different round your bit, but the majority of the people in my country are a little bit sad about being forced out of the EU against their will. Whether they're a community or in mourning could be debated I guess.
    We are pure raging TUD, time to get us direct Ferry links to Europe for sure.
    They would be cruises rather than ferries in travel time, and crossing the North Sea on one occasion matched our experiences in Drake's Passage
  • Fysics_TeacherFysics_Teacher Posts: 6,285
    OnlyLivingBoy said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    OnlyLivingBoy said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Starmer saying just now he will vote for a deal is going to ruffle a lot of feathers in the remain community

    'the remain community'

    What's this, now?
    Those who mourn the EU
    OMG the EU died! Why did nobody tell me? If the EU has died who have we been negotiating with for the last four years (and for the next thirty)?
    Pedantic comment.

    Many mourn the UK leaving the EU
    FYI, this site is informally known as pedanticposting.com
    Of course. It is a site for people who enjoy trying to convince strangers on the Internet that they are wrong. That such people exhibit pedantic tendencies is surely a given.
    Obligatory I think:

  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,929
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  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 9,680
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Starmer saying just now he will vote for a deal is going to ruffle a lot of feathers in the remain community

    'the remain community'

    What's this, now?
    Those who mourn the EU
    I don't see why: the opportunity to stop Brexit has long gone. A deal - however paltry - does at least amount to a first step on the gruelling road back to fulfilling our European destiny. No Deal, with all the ensuing acrimony and hardship, would have made it far more difficult and painful.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,713
    Stark_Dawning said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Starmer saying just now he will vote for a deal is going to ruffle a lot of feathers in the remain community

    'the remain community'

    What's this, now?
    Those who mourn the EU
    I don't see why: the opportunity to stop Brexit has long gone. A deal - however paltry - does at least amount to a first step on the gruelling road back to fulfilling our European destiny. No Deal, with all the ensuing acrimony and hardship, would have made it far more difficult and painful.
    Yes, the Deal is the first step to salami slicing Brexit into non-existence.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 17,238
    OnlyLivingBoy said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    OnlyLivingBoy said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Starmer saying just now he will vote for a deal is going to ruffle a lot of feathers in the remain community

    'the remain community'

    What's this, now?
    Those who mourn the EU
    OMG the EU died! Why did nobody tell me? If the EU has died who have we been negotiating with for the last four years (and for the next thirty)?
    Pedantic comment.

    Many mourn the UK leaving the EU
    Not being wholly pedantic. There is a kind of "fog in the Channel, Europe cut off" mentality sometimes evident on this site. I read your comment as revealing, perhaps subconsciously, a little of that mindset. As if, through our leaving, the EU had died, or at least gone away. In fact, the EU will feature even more prominently in our news and in our public life now we have left.
    Also, of course, in the long run it is more likely that Brexit kills the UK than the EU.
    Besides, I'm not sure that many will mourn the concept of leaving the EU. One of the reasons that 2016 went the way it did was that Remain's arguments were much more about pragmatism, whereas the Leave case had a much stronger grasp of the feels.

    If people end up unhappy with Brexit, it will be because it costs things people value and gives them things that they don't.

    Over to you, government...
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 41,998
    malcolmg said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Starmer saying just now he will vote for a deal is going to ruffle a lot of feathers in the remain community

    'the remain community'

    What's this, now?
    Those who mourn the EU
    Probably different round your bit, but the majority of the people in my country are a little bit sad about being forced out of the EU against their will. Whether they're a community or in mourning could be debated I guess.
    We are pure raging TUD, time to get us direct Ferry links to Europe for sure.
    I think all but the most EUphobic Unionists think reinstating a ferry link would be a good thing. I'm a bit mystified why it hasn't been pushed more in fact.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,102
    Theuniondivvie said:

    malcolmg said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Starmer saying just now he will vote for a deal is going to ruffle a lot of feathers in the remain community

    'the remain community'

    What's this, now?
    Those who mourn the EU
    Probably different round your bit, but the majority of the people in my country are a little bit sad about being forced out of the EU against their will. Whether they're a community or in mourning could be debated I guess.
    We are pure raging TUD, time to get us direct Ferry links to Europe for sure.
    I think all but the most EUphobic Unionists think reinstating a ferry link would be a good thing. I'm a bit mystified why it hasn't been pushed more in fact.
    On a serious note the distances involved and sea conditions do complicate the viability of sea ferries from Scotland to mainland Europe.

    Of course it can be done but not sure how successful it would be
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,128
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Oh my.

    https://twitter.com/PpollingNumbers/status/1334542444684308480

    Though

    https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/1334520197139587074?s=20

    And

    https://twitter.com/Politics_Polls/status/1329255402157043713?s=20
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,355
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    malcolmg said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Starmer saying just now he will vote for a deal is going to ruffle a lot of feathers in the remain community

    'the remain community'

    What's this, now?
    Those who mourn the EU
    Probably different round your bit, but the majority of the people in my country are a little bit sad about being forced out of the EU against their will. Whether they're a community or in mourning could be debated I guess.
    We are pure raging TUD, time to get us direct Ferry links to Europe for sure.
    They would be cruises rather than ferries in travel time, and crossing the North Sea on one occasion matched our experiences in Drake's Passage
    Rosyth ferry was excellent G, was sad to see it dropped. Rosyth to Holland is not really longer than Newcastle - Ijmuiden , late afternoon and arrive next morning and saves a long drive, Dover is just a joke given distance. You get a good night of food entertainment and fresh in morning.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,209
    Theuniondivvie said:

    malcolmg said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Starmer saying just now he will vote for a deal is going to ruffle a lot of feathers in the remain community

    'the remain community'

    What's this, now?
    Those who mourn the EU
    Probably different round your bit, but the majority of the people in my country are a little bit sad about being forced out of the EU against their will. Whether they're a community or in mourning could be debated I guess.
    We are pure raging TUD, time to get us direct Ferry links to Europe for sure.
    I think all but the most EUphobic Unionists think reinstating a ferry link would be a good thing. I'm a bit mystified why it hasn't been pushed more in fact.
    We'll need ferry links after we dynamite the tunnel.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,361
    MaxPB said:

    London case data not looking good, but still not showing up in the hospitalisation/death data compared to regions with similar case levels.

    I think London simply has too much activity with or without lockdown and we're just going to have to live with a higher underlying level of infections until the vaccine programme reaches the major target groups.

    MaxPB said:

    London case data not looking good, but still not showing up in the hospitalisation/death data compared to regions with similar case levels.

    I think London simply has too much activity with or without lockdown and we're just going to have to live with a higher underlying level of infections until the vaccine programme reaches the major target groups.

    Indeed - London R

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  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,128
    Philip_Thompson said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Oh my.

    https://twitter.com/PpollingNumbers/status/1334542444684308480

    Winchester 1997.

    Fingers crossed. I'm sceptical.

    Though it wouldn't surprise me if it's Warnock and the crookPerdue who get elected.
    Winchester was trying to overturn the result, these are runoff elections and the Republican candidates led on the first count just with less than 50%
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,355
    Foxy said:

    Stark_Dawning said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Starmer saying just now he will vote for a deal is going to ruffle a lot of feathers in the remain community

    'the remain community'

    What's this, now?
    Those who mourn the EU
    I don't see why: the opportunity to stop Brexit has long gone. A deal - however paltry - does at least amount to a first step on the gruelling road back to fulfilling our European destiny. No Deal, with all the ensuing acrimony and hardship, would have made it far more difficult and painful.
    Yes, the Deal is the first step to salami slicing Brexit into non-existence.
    apart from all the downsides , hassle and bills
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,128
    https://twitter.com/georgeeaton/status/1334561010598948873?s=20

    https://twitter.com/georgeeaton/status/1334561847836610561?s=20

    https://twitter.com/georgeeaton/status/1334562250997248006?s=20
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,355
    Theuniondivvie said:

    malcolmg said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Starmer saying just now he will vote for a deal is going to ruffle a lot of feathers in the remain community

    'the remain community'

    What's this, now?
    Those who mourn the EU
    Probably different round your bit, but the majority of the people in my country are a little bit sad about being forced out of the EU against their will. Whether they're a community or in mourning could be debated I guess.
    We are pure raging TUD, time to get us direct Ferry links to Europe for sure.
    I think all but the most EUphobic Unionists think reinstating a ferry link would be a good thing. I'm a bit mystified why it hasn't been pushed more in fact.
    Seems crazy , it should be a top priority.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,128
    https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1334540590609035266?s=20

    https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1334541445257175045?s=20
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 41,998
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    malcolmg said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Starmer saying just now he will vote for a deal is going to ruffle a lot of feathers in the remain community

    'the remain community'

    What's this, now?
    Those who mourn the EU
    Probably different round your bit, but the majority of the people in my country are a little bit sad about being forced out of the EU against their will. Whether they're a community or in mourning could be debated I guess.
    We are pure raging TUD, time to get us direct Ferry links to Europe for sure.
    I think all but the most EUphobic Unionists think reinstating a ferry link would be a good thing. I'm a bit mystified why it hasn't been pushed more in fact.
    On a serious note the distances involved and sea conditions do complicate the viability of sea ferries from Scotland to mainland Europe.

    Of course it can be done but not sure how successful it would be
    It's already been done between 2002-2008 and there's still an existing Rosyth-Zeebrugge freight route.

    Of course the Irish are increasing their (even longer) ferry routes, one of the benefits of being wholly in charge of their own affairs.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,355
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    malcolmg said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Starmer saying just now he will vote for a deal is going to ruffle a lot of feathers in the remain community

    'the remain community'

    What's this, now?
    Those who mourn the EU
    Probably different round your bit, but the majority of the people in my country are a little bit sad about being forced out of the EU against their will. Whether they're a community or in mourning could be debated I guess.
    We are pure raging TUD, time to get us direct Ferry links to Europe for sure.
    I think all but the most EUphobic Unionists think reinstating a ferry link would be a good thing. I'm a bit mystified why it hasn't been pushed more in fact.
    On a serious note the distances involved and sea conditions do complicate the viability of sea ferries from Scotland to mainland Europe.

    Of course it can be done but not sure how successful it would be
    Not much difference from Rosyth than Newcastle or even Hull, both just down the coast a bit but crap to drive to whereas Rosyth is a cinch even from west coast.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,128
    https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1334534095267827714?s=20
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,929
    On topic, surely US Attorney General Barr is safe while he is needed to cross the t's on presidential pardons. No point risking getting your collar felt because the paperwork's sitting on a vacated desk in the DoJ.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,128
    https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1334544906749177860?s=20
  • Fysics_TeacherFysics_Teacher Posts: 6,285
    HYUFD said:

    https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1334534095267827714?s=20

    That looks very like the proposed order.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,102
    Theuniondivvie said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    malcolmg said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Starmer saying just now he will vote for a deal is going to ruffle a lot of feathers in the remain community

    'the remain community'

    What's this, now?
    Those who mourn the EU
    Probably different round your bit, but the majority of the people in my country are a little bit sad about being forced out of the EU against their will. Whether they're a community or in mourning could be debated I guess.
    We are pure raging TUD, time to get us direct Ferry links to Europe for sure.
    I think all but the most EUphobic Unionists think reinstating a ferry link would be a good thing. I'm a bit mystified why it hasn't been pushed more in fact.
    On a serious note the distances involved and sea conditions do complicate the viability of sea ferries from Scotland to mainland Europe.

    Of course it can be done but not sure how successful it would be
    It's already been done between 2002-2008 and there's still an existing Rosyth-Zeebrugge freight route.

    Of course the Irish are increasing their (even longer) ferry routes, one of the benefits of being wholly in charge of their own affairs.
    Yes I know and it is being looked into but it remains uncertain on just how viable it would be
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,126
    edited December 2020
    HYUFD said:

    https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1334534095267827714?s=20

    MPs should be prioritised ahead of the general public. We disdain them a lot, they give us reason to disdain them, but they are the people we have chosen to represent and govern us. I have no problem in saying they should have a greater priority than many other non-high priority groups, though I doubt many of them will say the same.

    But that would still mean most of them are quite a ways down the list, since most people agree on the top priority people.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,361
    Fysics_Teacher said:

    HYUFD said:

    https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1334534095267827714?s=20

    That looks very like the proposed order.
    Though we are hearing that due to the issue with refrigeration etc, NHS staff may actually be first....
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 4,678
    edited December 2020
    malcolmg said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    malcolmg said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Starmer saying just now he will vote for a deal is going to ruffle a lot of feathers in the remain community

    'the remain community'

    What's this, now?
    Those who mourn the EU
    Probably different round your bit, but the majority of the people in my country are a little bit sad about being forced out of the EU against their will. Whether they're a community or in mourning could be debated I guess.
    We are pure raging TUD, time to get us direct Ferry links to Europe for sure.
    They would be cruises rather than ferries in travel time, and crossing the North Sea on one occasion matched our experiences in Drake's Passage
    Rosyth ferry was excellent G, was sad to see it dropped. Rosyth to Holland is not really longer than Newcastle - Ijmuiden , late afternoon and arrive next morning and saves a long drive, Dover is just a joke given distance. You get a good night of food entertainment and fresh in morning.
    Did Newcastle -> Bergen a few times. A shame it was stopped.

    The passengers were a mix of outdoor types from the UK and Norwegians on a shopping/drinking expedition to Gateshead.

    Was one of the last viewers in the cinema one night. Everyone else had left to relieve themselves of their dinner. It was quite disconcerting getting ship motion and screen motion at the same time (Shipping Forecast said Force 7). A bigger boat might have helped.
  • OnboardG1OnboardG1 Posts: 1,589
    HYUFD said:

    https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1334534095267827714?s=20

    Normally this kind of polling shows that the government shouldn't listen to the public on science policy, but possibly due to good communication of the vaccine priorities or just that the public isn't always as daft as it can be they seem pretty well aligned with the JCVI list.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 41,998
    edited December 2020
    rcs1000 said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    malcolmg said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Starmer saying just now he will vote for a deal is going to ruffle a lot of feathers in the remain community

    'the remain community'

    What's this, now?
    Those who mourn the EU
    Probably different round your bit, but the majority of the people in my country are a little bit sad about being forced out of the EU against their will. Whether they're a community or in mourning could be debated I guess.
    We are pure raging TUD, time to get us direct Ferry links to Europe for sure.
    I think all but the most EUphobic Unionists think reinstating a ferry link would be a good thing. I'm a bit mystified why it hasn't been pushed more in fact.
    We'll need ferry links after we dynamite the tunnel.
    Personal stealth gliders is the way ahead


  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 17,238
    malcolmg said:

    Foxy said:

    Stark_Dawning said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Starmer saying just now he will vote for a deal is going to ruffle a lot of feathers in the remain community

    'the remain community'

    What's this, now?
    Those who mourn the EU
    I don't see why: the opportunity to stop Brexit has long gone. A deal - however paltry - does at least amount to a first step on the gruelling road back to fulfilling our European destiny. No Deal, with all the ensuing acrimony and hardship, would have made it far more difficult and painful.
    Yes, the Deal is the first step to salami slicing Brexit into non-existence.
    apart from all the downsides , hassle and bills
    There is that. I'd much rather not have to prove that the EEA is a good thing to be part of in an experiment, much as I don't want to be in a bath where caesium bath bombs are being tested.

    But we are where we are, and BoJo has won the right to try something that looks dumb. I can hope he succeeds, even if I can't see how.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,102
    edited December 2020
    Flatlander said:

    malcolmg said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    malcolmg said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Starmer saying just now he will vote for a deal is going to ruffle a lot of feathers in the remain community

    'the remain community'

    What's this, now?
    Those who mourn the EU
    Probably different round your bit, but the majority of the people in my country are a little bit sad about being forced out of the EU against their will. Whether they're a community or in mourning could be debated I guess.
    We are pure raging TUD, time to get us direct Ferry links to Europe for sure.
    They would be cruises rather than ferries in travel time, and crossing the North Sea on one occasion matched our experiences in Drake's Passage
    Rosyth ferry was excellent G, was sad to see it dropped. Rosyth to Holland is not really longer than Newcastle - Ijmuiden , late afternoon and arrive next morning and saves a long drive, Dover is just a joke given distance. You get a good night of food entertainment and fresh in morning.
    Did Newcastle -> Bergen a few times. A shame it was stopped.

    The passengers were a mix of outdoor types from the UK and Norwegians on a shopping/drinking expedition to Gateshead.
    We travelled on that route in May 1964 to Norway (Oslo) on our honeymoon
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 10,770
    Theuniondivvie said:

    malcolmg said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Starmer saying just now he will vote for a deal is going to ruffle a lot of feathers in the remain community

    'the remain community'

    What's this, now?
    Those who mourn the EU
    Probably different round your bit, but the majority of the people in my country are a little bit sad about being forced out of the EU against their will. Whether they're a community or in mourning could be debated I guess.
    We are pure raging TUD, time to get us direct Ferry links to Europe for sure.
    I think all but the most EUphobic Unionists think reinstating a ferry link would be a good thing. I'm a bit mystified why it hasn't been pushed more in fact.
    The traffic won't pay for it. The Scottish people aren't so keen on travel.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    malcolmg said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    malcolmg said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Starmer saying just now he will vote for a deal is going to ruffle a lot of feathers in the remain community

    'the remain community'

    What's this, now?
    Those who mourn the EU
    Probably different round your bit, but the majority of the people in my country are a little bit sad about being forced out of the EU against their will. Whether they're a community or in mourning could be debated I guess.
    We are pure raging TUD, time to get us direct Ferry links to Europe for sure.
    I think all but the most EUphobic Unionists think reinstating a ferry link would be a good thing. I'm a bit mystified why it hasn't been pushed more in fact.
    Seems crazy , it should be a top priority.
    Why doesn’t the Scottish govt build a ferry, or two?] ]INNOCENT FACE[[
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,209
    Theuniondivvie said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    malcolmg said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Starmer saying just now he will vote for a deal is going to ruffle a lot of feathers in the remain community

    'the remain community'

    What's this, now?
    Those who mourn the EU
    Probably different round your bit, but the majority of the people in my country are a little bit sad about being forced out of the EU against their will. Whether they're a community or in mourning could be debated I guess.
    We are pure raging TUD, time to get us direct Ferry links to Europe for sure.
    I think all but the most EUphobic Unionists think reinstating a ferry link would be a good thing. I'm a bit mystified why it hasn't been pushed more in fact.
    We'll need ferry links after we dynamite the tunnel.
    Personal stealth gliders is the way ahead


    Is that Snake Pishkin? (I loved Escape from New York as a kid)
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    HYUFD said:

    Philip_Thompson said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Oh my.

    https://twitter.com/PpollingNumbers/status/1334542444684308480

    Winchester 1997.

    Fingers crossed. I'm sceptical.

    Though it wouldn't surprise me if it's Warnock and the crookPerdue who get elected.
    Winchester was trying to overturn the result, these are runoff elections and the Republican candidates led on the first count just with less than 50%
    I know this is a run off but are you seriously saying you've missed all the attempts to overturn the (Presidential) election? 🤦🏻‍♂️
  • OnboardG1OnboardG1 Posts: 1,589
    DavidL said:

    Richard_Nabavi said:

    https://twitter.com/adamparsons/status/1334546609426853891

    We do seem to be edging forward but lord, this is slow.
    What a bizarrely sensible solution.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 17,238
    rcs1000 said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    malcolmg said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Starmer saying just now he will vote for a deal is going to ruffle a lot of feathers in the remain community

    'the remain community'

    What's this, now?
    Those who mourn the EU
    Probably different round your bit, but the majority of the people in my country are a little bit sad about being forced out of the EU against their will. Whether they're a community or in mourning could be debated I guess.
    We are pure raging TUD, time to get us direct Ferry links to Europe for sure.
    I think all but the most EUphobic Unionists think reinstating a ferry link would be a good thing. I'm a bit mystified why it hasn't been pushed more in fact.
    We'll need ferry links after we dynamite the tunnel.
    Didn't Alan Clark put down an amendment to the Chunnel Bill proposing that? That dynamite should be built into the tunnel just in case?

    (That would have been late 1980s? And that's why the UK's direction of travel from here feels pretty inevitable; 1/1/21 will be peak separation.)
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