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At the risk of being labelled woke, sport is not binary but a spectrum across several levels such as competition, fitness and rules.kjh said:
Yep re running. Running in a race = sport. Running to keep fit = not sport.Benpointer said:
Fair point, but isn't the same true of running.kjh said:
Yep, been there, done that, when I had a girlfriend with a glider. But it is comparable to horse riding - 90+ percent is not competitive (other than against yourself).Benpointer said:
Plenty of competition in gliding, just saying:kjh said:I noticed earlier the discussion of what is a game and what is a sport. This falls in the same category of a discussion on religion or politics; we are never going to agree.
Intrinsically we all really know and are arguing at the fringes, but more importantly we argue on how you define it.
I liked the definition of a sport is defined as one in which you can die. I have never heard that one before and generally it fits, but, but, but you still get into the fringes eg being hit in the head by a snooker ball or croquet ball while trying a hard hit, whereas you are not going to die when hit by a table tennis ball (although you might have a heart attack, but then you might while throwing a dart [particularly if you are 22 stone and on your eighth pint]).
So now you have to define what constitutes death by sport.
Just to make it more complicated, horse riding which is a hobby when not racing has a high death toll. How about mountaineering? Again doesn't feel like a sport. Gliding? These fit the deadly criteria. However to be a sport I think you need to be competing.
https://www.wgc2020.fr
PS As and aside I think I noted a few years back that there do seem to be a disproportionate number of glider pilots or (as in my case) ex-glider pilots on PB for some reason.
I would not put myself in the category of glider pilot as she wasn't my girlfriend long enough.
Two stories:
a) Thought I had really mastered the winch takeoff when it became really easy only to have my instructor shout at me he was taking over and we were going to land in a field. Something had gone wrong with the winch and we were nowhere near 800 ft.
b) On my first tug launch where I took control I could not cope with the extra speed and consequential extra maneuverability. I attempted to overtake the tug from below, above and to either side. The pilot must have been having kittens wondering where I was.0 -
the "ladies' lingerie" affair is written about here:kjh said:
Agree brilliant.Peter_the_Punter said:
Brilliant.Sandpit said:Bill Maher, on why the Democrats need to get over themselves, why 10m more people voted Trump than in 2016, why they lost seats in the House - and why Twitter isn’t America.
https://twitter.com/billmaher/status/1327478205733687297
As someone who comes from the Jeremy Clarkson wing of the LDs, so gets particularly annoyed by this sort of thing and who also has no personal knowledge of the root and branch of the Democrats, I would be interested to know how much is genuine twats on wokeness and how much is distorted by their opponents.
In the UK you definitely get the idiots promoting nonsense, but also a lot of perfectly sensible stuff that is distorted in its application by people not using common sense, by not evaluating what is intended (jobs worth types), or by opponents distorting a perfectly good aim by exaggerating or distorting it to make it look politically correct.
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/05/is-this-old-lingerie-joke-harmless-or-harassment/559760/
basically a trivial academic spat, which nobody comes out of looking that wonderful. but has it got anything to do with Dem politicians?
I'm quite uncomfortable with Maher's comments on this:
https://www.thecut.com/2019/03/an-awkward-kiss-changed-how-i-saw-joe-biden.html
especially as Biden was not just an "old man trying to show support in an old man way", he was Vice-President.0 -
9 at the moment - I'm sure they haven't identified them all yet and more will be discovered...RochdalePioneers said:DiT Webinar: "You will need at least 9 additional procedures" in supply chain processes from 1/1/21. Oh goody! Glad that we are cutting costs and red tape.
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Farage is being interviewed on Talk Radio by Mike Graham atm. Peter Hitchens will be on later.
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Haha, been there, done that.kjh said:
Yep re running. Running in a race = sport. Running to keep fit = not sport.Benpointer said:
Fair point, but isn't the same true of running.kjh said:
Yep, been there, done that, when I had a girlfriend with a glider. But it is comparable to horse riding - 90+ percent is not competitive (other than against yourself).Benpointer said:
Plenty of competition in gliding, just saying:kjh said:I noticed earlier the discussion of what is a game and what is a sport. This falls in the same category of a discussion on religion or politics; we are never going to agree.
Intrinsically we all really know and are arguing at the fringes, but more importantly we argue on how you define it.
I liked the definition of a sport is defined as one in which you can die. I have never heard that one before and generally it fits, but, but, but you still get into the fringes eg being hit in the head by a snooker ball or croquet ball while trying a hard hit, whereas you are not going to die when hit by a table tennis ball (although you might have a heart attack, but then you might while throwing a dart [particularly if you are 22 stone and on your eighth pint]).
So now you have to define what constitutes death by sport.
Just to make it more complicated, horse riding which is a hobby when not racing has a high death toll. How about mountaineering? Again doesn't feel like a sport. Gliding? These fit the deadly criteria. However to be a sport I think you need to be competing.
https://www.wgc2020.fr
PS As and aside I think I noted a few years back that there do seem to be a disproportionate number of glider pilots or (as in my case) ex-glider pilots on PB for some reason.
I would not put myself in the category of glider pilot as she wasn't my girlfriend long enough.
Two stories:
a) Thought I had really mastered the winch takeoff when it became really easy only to have my instructor shout at me he was taking over and we were going to land in a field. Something had gone wrong with the winch and we were nowhere near 800 ft.
b) On my first tug launch where I took control I could not cope with the extra speed and consequential extra maneuverability. I attempted to overtake the tug from below, above and to either side. The pilot must have been having kittens wondering where I was.1 -
Who gets on the shortlist is interesting. This year putting Rashford on is imo tantamount to giving it to him. We'll see what they do.tlg86 said:
I did suggest that that could be the BBC's get out option if they didn't want to be seen to make a call on this. Revert to the old write-in model, and let the people decide.kinabalu said:
Yes. Got to be innit to winnit. There's no "write in" option on the voting.tlg86 said:I will chuckle when Rashford isn't nominated for SPOTY.
But if they were going to do that, they'd have said so by now.
O'Sullivan is interesting too. Never on the shortlist in previous years is odd. Made me wonder whether they asked him and he said no interest. If he's not on it again this year I will conclude something like that.0 -
Scott_xP said:
Get one of theseBenpointer said:Completely off topic, does anyone know why BT cannot stop call number spoofing?
Just getting another plague of scam/phishing calls on our landline. Bloody irritating!
https://www.cprcallblocker.com/
Thanks Scott, I'll take a look.
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Trump won Alaska by 14.5% in 20160
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I think even if Ballroom and Latin was in the Olympics the likes of Anton du Beke would prioritize Strictly. It's like the World Cup for those guys.OnlyLivingBoy said:
Ballroom dancing doesn't need the Olympics, we have Strictly already which is far better and also on every year!Benpointer said:
Ballroom dancing ≠ not a sport. Figure skating = a sport.Roy_G_Biv said:
You need to be athletic to be part of a colla castellera, or to perform in certain circus roles. And they can even be done competitively. But I wouldn't call them sports.tlg86 said:
Surely it's just a sliding scale from needing to be athletic to not. Athletics et al are sports in their purest forms, whilst board games are games in their purest form.kjh said:I noticed earlier the discussion of what is a game and what is a sport. This falls in the same category of a discussion on religion or politics; we are never going to agree.
Intrinsically we all really know and are arguing at the fringes, but more importantly we argue on how you define it.
I liked the definition of a sport is defined as one in which you can die. I have never heard that one before and generally it fits, but, but, but you still get into the fringes eg being hit in the head by a snooker ball or croquet ball while trying a hard hit, whereas you are not going to die when hit by a table tennis ball (although you might have a heart attack, but then you might while throwing a dart [particularly if you are 22 stone and on your eighth pint]).
So now you have to define what constitutes death by sport.
Just to make it more complicated, horse riding which is a hobby when not racing has a high death toll. How about mountaineering? Again doesn't feel like a sport. Gliding? These fit the deadly criteria. However to be a sport I think you need to be competing.
In between it's a continuum. Golf is a tricky one. Very much more of a game than something like tennis, but it's moved towards the sport end of the spectrum in recent decades.
How does that work?1 -
Yepnoneoftheabove said:
At the risk of being labelled woke, sport is not binary but a spectrum across several levels such as competition, fitness and rules.kjh said:
Yep re running. Running in a race = sport. Running to keep fit = not sport.Benpointer said:
Fair point, but isn't the same true of running.kjh said:
Yep, been there, done that, when I had a girlfriend with a glider. But it is comparable to horse riding - 90+ percent is not competitive (other than against yourself).Benpointer said:
Plenty of competition in gliding, just saying:kjh said:I noticed earlier the discussion of what is a game and what is a sport. This falls in the same category of a discussion on religion or politics; we are never going to agree.
Intrinsically we all really know and are arguing at the fringes, but more importantly we argue on how you define it.
I liked the definition of a sport is defined as one in which you can die. I have never heard that one before and generally it fits, but, but, but you still get into the fringes eg being hit in the head by a snooker ball or croquet ball while trying a hard hit, whereas you are not going to die when hit by a table tennis ball (although you might have a heart attack, but then you might while throwing a dart [particularly if you are 22 stone and on your eighth pint]).
So now you have to define what constitutes death by sport.
Just to make it more complicated, horse riding which is a hobby when not racing has a high death toll. How about mountaineering? Again doesn't feel like a sport. Gliding? These fit the deadly criteria. However to be a sport I think you need to be competing.
https://www.wgc2020.fr
PS As and aside I think I noted a few years back that there do seem to be a disproportionate number of glider pilots or (as in my case) ex-glider pilots on PB for some reason.
I would not put myself in the category of glider pilot as she wasn't my girlfriend long enough.
Two stories:
a) Thought I had really mastered the winch takeoff when it became really easy only to have my instructor shout at me he was taking over and we were going to land in a field. Something had gone wrong with the winch and we were nowhere near 800 ft.
b) On my first tug launch where I took control I could not cope with the extra speed and consequential extra maneuverability. I attempted to overtake the tug from below, above and to either side. The pilot must have been having kittens wondering where I was.
As per my first post. I think we will all agree on 90+% of it as obvious and the rest is woolly, even within some activities eg for me driving down the road to the shops is not a sport obviously; F1 is. Rallying (Sport or hobby?) guess it might be to the degree it is competitive and people will disagree.0 -
What a waste of political energy. All his communicative talents are visible in the first part of video, and you even begin to see the faint outlines of a full human being ; and then everything shifts on its axis ..isam said:
Back to form. Let’s hope he gets over Donald nice and quickDura_Ace said:I've just watched Farage's latest video on FB. He really is a phenomenal political communicator and he fucking hates Johnson and 👸 🥜🥜.
https://twitter.com/nigel_farage/status/1328250559128883200?s=21
" I'm going to say something, I hope it isn't too much, and won't shock you, for you on a Sunday afternoon ladies and gentlemen, but it's about ..
Immigration."
What a shocking, brave rogue you are, Nige ! The end as he winds up with all the gradually rising intonations, angry and calculated pauses, is textbook sub-fascist oratory, in the 21st century version - an anglicised US talk radio shockjock who loves his own sense of "edge".0 -
We get the Amazon Prime scam call on a regular basis.Benpointer said:Completely off topic, does anyone know why BT cannot stop call number spoofing?
Just getting another plague of scam/phishing calls on our landline. Bloody irritating!0 -
Well, all he needs is an ouija board and P. G. Wodehouse's there to do the job.Scott_xP said:
I was pondering this morning who might write his memoirs.Theuniondivvie said:I see BJ is giving the 'fit as a butcher's dog' shite another run out. It's a mystery why people think the hackneyed cliché monger is some sort of talented wordsmith.
If he does it himself they will be unreadable0 -
Used to really rate him but his foray into the bowels of Trump has soiled him irrevocably in my eyes. There's no coming back from that.OnlyLivingBoy said:
While I utterly detest Farage and wouldn't ever vote for him, I can understand why people like him, which isn't the case with Johnson who is so obviously a fake.isam said:
Back to form. Let’s hope he gets over Donald nice and quickDura_Ace said:I've just watched Farage's latest video on FB. He really is a phenomenal political communicator and he fucking hates Johnson and 👸 🥜🥜.
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Use it yourself, and rejoice in your rightness.Gallowgate said:
Nobody at my university uses the Oxford Comma. It's infuriating.TheScreamingEagles said:
He's always been a monster in my eyes for years when he persistently failed to use the Oxford Comma in his articles.Roy_G_Biv said:
Anybody who uses a space before an exclamation mark or a question mark deserves to be incarcerated for a lot longer than 2 weeks.Scott_xP said:
I mean, we all knew the man was a monster, but even I didn't realise he was this bad.0 -
Basketball players prioritise the NBA over the Olympics, does that make it a non sport?kinabalu said:
I think even if Ballroom and Latin was in the Olympics the likes of Anton du Beke would prioritize Strictly. It's like the World Cup for those guys.OnlyLivingBoy said:
Ballroom dancing doesn't need the Olympics, we have Strictly already which is far better and also on every year!Benpointer said:
Ballroom dancing ≠ not a sport. Figure skating = a sport.Roy_G_Biv said:
You need to be athletic to be part of a colla castellera, or to perform in certain circus roles. And they can even be done competitively. But I wouldn't call them sports.tlg86 said:
Surely it's just a sliding scale from needing to be athletic to not. Athletics et al are sports in their purest forms, whilst board games are games in their purest form.kjh said:I noticed earlier the discussion of what is a game and what is a sport. This falls in the same category of a discussion on religion or politics; we are never going to agree.
Intrinsically we all really know and are arguing at the fringes, but more importantly we argue on how you define it.
I liked the definition of a sport is defined as one in which you can die. I have never heard that one before and generally it fits, but, but, but you still get into the fringes eg being hit in the head by a snooker ball or croquet ball while trying a hard hit, whereas you are not going to die when hit by a table tennis ball (although you might have a heart attack, but then you might while throwing a dart [particularly if you are 22 stone and on your eighth pint]).
So now you have to define what constitutes death by sport.
Just to make it more complicated, horse riding which is a hobby when not racing has a high death toll. How about mountaineering? Again doesn't feel like a sport. Gliding? These fit the deadly criteria. However to be a sport I think you need to be competing.
In between it's a continuum. Golf is a tricky one. Very much more of a game than something like tennis, but it's moved towards the sport end of the spectrum in recent decades.
How does that work?
Strictly is clearly different - for the elite dancer it is more coaching than dancing.0 -
Well, some fish processorts at least hav ebeen fretting all year (e.g. this, which I have posted before, from the wee port whence I get my fish: at least at present ...)RochdalePioneers said:
Its a shocker. Someone on Twitter is pointing out that one of the signatories of the "we're fucked" letter was, back in 2016, openly mocking the "project fear" realities that he is now signing a letter against.Carnyx said:
So all the fish that this whole business is about, if you believe the Tories, will end up not being caught by anyone at all?OnlyLivingBoy said:
Wow who could have predicted this?SouthamObserver said:In the latest Brexit triumph, it looks like the government is on course to do huge damage to the fishing industry.
https://twitter.com/bbcmartynoates/status/1327958985614495744?s=21
I don't blame the fishermen - the CFP didn't work for them. What perhaps they weren't considering was that having been freed from the CFP the government would also actively free them from their export market.
https://www.berwickshirenews.co.uk/news/d-r-collin-facing-reality-brexit-1141940 -
It's a minor gift indeed but the sad thing is that it's probably his biggest one.Theuniondivvie said:I see BJ is giving the 'fit as a butcher's dog' shite another run out. It's a mystery why people think the hackneyed cliché monger is some sort of talented wordsmith.
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You probably need to work on the difference between:kinabalu said:
Used to really rate him but his foray into the bowels of Trump has soiled him irrevocably in my eyes. There's no coming back from that.OnlyLivingBoy said:
While I utterly detest Farage and wouldn't ever vote for him, I can understand why people like him, which isn't the case with Johnson who is so obviously a fake.isam said:
Back to form. Let’s hope he gets over Donald nice and quickDura_Ace said:I've just watched Farage's latest video on FB. He really is a phenomenal political communicator and he fucking hates Johnson and 👸 🥜🥜.
https://twitter.com/nigel_farage/status/1328250559128883200?s=21
1. An effective politician; and
2. A politician you don't agree with.
Nige is both of course and the latter doesn't alter the former.0 -
So do we, and a damn nuisance they are. What's even more infuriating is that there isn't a human at the other end, to whom you can be creatively rude.Andy_JS said:
We get the Amazon Prime scam call on a regular basis.Benpointer said:Completely off topic, does anyone know why BT cannot stop call number spoofing?
Just getting another plague of scam/phishing calls on our landline. Bloody irritating!0 -
It is the best thing with those 'We understand you were in a car accident in the last five years'OldKingCole said:
So do we, and a damn nuisance they are. What's even more infuriating is that there isn't a human at the other end, to whom you can be creatively rude.Andy_JS said:
We get the Amazon Prime scam call on a regular basis.Benpointer said:Completely off topic, does anyone know why BT cannot stop call number spoofing?
Just getting another plague of scam/phishing calls on our landline. Bloody irritating!
I like stringing them along for a few minutes, tell them about an accident for about 5 minutes then at the end say 'Oh I was really drunk at the time, and high on cocaine at the time, will I still be able to get compensation?'0 -
I agree completely.kamski said:
the "ladies' lingerie" affair is written about here:kjh said:
Agree brilliant.Peter_the_Punter said:
Brilliant.Sandpit said:Bill Maher, on why the Democrats need to get over themselves, why 10m more people voted Trump than in 2016, why they lost seats in the House - and why Twitter isn’t America.
https://twitter.com/billmaher/status/1327478205733687297
As someone who comes from the Jeremy Clarkson wing of the LDs, so gets particularly annoyed by this sort of thing and who also has no personal knowledge of the root and branch of the Democrats, I would be interested to know how much is genuine twats on wokeness and how much is distorted by their opponents.
In the UK you definitely get the idiots promoting nonsense, but also a lot of perfectly sensible stuff that is distorted in its application by people not using common sense, by not evaluating what is intended (jobs worth types), or by opponents distorting a perfectly good aim by exaggerating or distorting it to make it look politically correct.
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/05/is-this-old-lingerie-joke-harmless-or-harassment/559760/
basically a trivial academic spat, which nobody comes out of looking that wonderful. but has it got anything to do with Dem politicians?
I'm quite uncomfortable with Maher's comments on this:
https://www.thecut.com/2019/03/an-awkward-kiss-changed-how-i-saw-joe-biden.html
especially as Biden was not just an "old man trying to show support in an old man way", he was Vice-President.
The first is a harmless joke and the world would be a lot sadder without these jokes. Nobody should take offence.
The second is not so. I do find him a bit too much touchy feely for my liking. There are lots of these. Some harmless, like him kissing the head of his granddaughter at the funeral of her father. Others however make me feel a bit uncomfortable, but then I am not a touchy feely person. Having read the article you linked I agree with you.0 -
RE SPOTY...I notice in recent weeks the BBC pumping up Lewis Hamilton, not only winning again in F1, equal with Schumacher for titles, but all his social justice and eco campaigning. Ticks a lot of BBC boxes and conspiectous absence of talk about his tax dodging in their reporting of his inspiration acts.0
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But that's my point. I have always hated his politics but I used to rate him highly as a politician. Reason I don't so much now is that he has made himself look a total pillock with his softhead Trumpery. Still, he'll always have 23/6/16. That was a higher peak than most achieve.TOPPING said:
You probably need to work on the difference between:kinabalu said:
Used to really rate him but his foray into the bowels of Trump has soiled him irrevocably in my eyes. There's no coming back from that.OnlyLivingBoy said:
While I utterly detest Farage and wouldn't ever vote for him, I can understand why people like him, which isn't the case with Johnson who is so obviously a fake.isam said:
Back to form. Let’s hope he gets over Donald nice and quickDura_Ace said:I've just watched Farage's latest video on FB. He really is a phenomenal political communicator and he fucking hates Johnson and 👸 🥜🥜.
https://twitter.com/nigel_farage/status/1328250559128883200?s=21
1. An effective politician; and
2. A politician you don't agree with.
Nige is both of course and the latter doesn't alter the former.0 -
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The 'Microsoft Technical Department' calls of a few years ago were good for that. Ten minutes of 'doing' whatever they wanted, and then say something like 'Apple doesn't work like that.'TheScreamingEagles said:
It is the best thing with those 'We understand you were in a car accident in the last five years'OldKingCole said:
So do we, and a damn nuisance they are. What's even more infuriating is that there isn't a human at the other end, to whom you can be creatively rude.Andy_JS said:
We get the Amazon Prime scam call on a regular basis.Benpointer said:Completely off topic, does anyone know why BT cannot stop call number spoofing?
Just getting another plague of scam/phishing calls on our landline. Bloody irritating!
I like stringing them along for a few minutes, tell them about an accident for about 5 minutes then at the end say 'Oh I was really drunk at the time, and high on cocaine at the time, will I still be able to get compensation?'0 -
Absolutely. For US Republican politicians, there is at least the excuse that they are compromised by Trump's complete takeover of the Republican Party and face a choice between going along with his attempt to subvert democracy or sacrificing their own politican ambitions. Farage is free of all that yet still indulges and reinforces Trump's fantasies.kinabalu said:
Used to really rate him but his foray into the bowels of Trump has soiled him irrevocably in my eyes. There's no coming back from that.OnlyLivingBoy said:
While I utterly detest Farage and wouldn't ever vote for him, I can understand why people like him, which isn't the case with Johnson who is so obviously a fake.isam said:
Back to form. Let’s hope he gets over Donald nice and quickDura_Ace said:I've just watched Farage's latest video on FB. He really is a phenomenal political communicator and he fucking hates Johnson and 👸 🥜🥜.
https://twitter.com/nigel_farage/status/1328250559128883200?s=21
Any claim that Farage had to be a politician that respected democratic norms has disappeared. He's turning into the modern equivalent of Oswald Mosley.2 -
Oh, and while the king was looking downkinabalu said:
A long long time ago I can still remember how the Brexit used to make him smile.isam said:
Back to form. Let’s hope he gets over Donald nice and quickDura_Ace said:I've just watched Farage's latest video on FB. He really is a phenomenal political communicator and he fucking hates Johnson and 👸 🥜🥜.
https://twitter.com/nigel_farage/status/1328250559128883200?s=21
The jester stole his thorny crown0 -
Be even better if he wasn't a tax-exile in Monaco (?) though.FrancisUrquhart said:RE SPOTY...I notice in recent weeks the BBC pumping up Lewis Hamilton, not only winning again in F1, equal with Schumacher for titles, but all his social justice and eco campaigning. Ticks a lot of BBC boxes and conspiectous absence of talk about his tax dodging in their reporting of his inspiration acts.
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Lewis Hamilton.Mysticrose said:And the obviously winning sports 'personality' of the year is Marcus Rashford. By a million miles.
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That is one reason the call blocker is so great. You get the endorphin rush of pressing the big red button!OldKingCole said:So do we, and a damn nuisance they are. What's even more infuriating is that there isn't a human at the other end, to whom you can be creatively rude.
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DiT Webinar: Now they're talking about the importance of the Goods Vehicle Movement Service (which doesn't yet exist). The joy of this is that for the 6 months phased onboarding of different types of goods, they will be onboarded onto legacy systems which then get replaced by GVMS from July.
That sounds like a 2nd chaotic event 6 months after the first! For imports it will be *great*. Before you import or export you need to generate a Goods Movement Reference that has all of the paperwork for each type of goods onboard (an awful lot of paperwork for food mixed loads...). Before arrival the border the GMR will have been checked so that the driver knows if the paperwork is ok to be checked at the Border Control Port or if the goods will be "temporarily" lodged for inspection. Note that drivers won't know if the load passes until after they have set off!
Which explains the need for the Kent Access Permit. You can't send trucks off towards the channel not knowing if they will pass or not - and the system is designed to only decide that after they set off. The KAP at least ensures that the paperwork required has been gathered and submitted into a GMR. Not that it will actually be valid and acceptable for VAT / Excise purposes before it is allowed to leave...0 -
This is an interesting thought, but do we think many GOP voters will still think in January that Trump might hold on? Surely by then the vast majority will either accept he lost or think he was cheated out of a second term, the latter might even raise their turnout likelihood.
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I often pondered what the response would be if someone tried to invent gliding today.kjh said:
Yep re running. Running in a race = sport. Running to keep fit = not sport.Benpointer said:
Fair point, but isn't the same true of running.kjh said:
Yep, been there, done that, when I had a girlfriend with a glider. But it is comparable to horse riding - 90+ percent is not competitive (other than against yourself).Benpointer said:
Plenty of competition in gliding, just saying:kjh said:I noticed earlier the discussion of what is a game and what is a sport. This falls in the same category of a discussion on religion or politics; we are never going to agree.
Intrinsically we all really know and are arguing at the fringes, but more importantly we argue on how you define it.
I liked the definition of a sport is defined as one in which you can die. I have never heard that one before and generally it fits, but, but, but you still get into the fringes eg being hit in the head by a snooker ball or croquet ball while trying a hard hit, whereas you are not going to die when hit by a table tennis ball (although you might have a heart attack, but then you might while throwing a dart [particularly if you are 22 stone and on your eighth pint]).
So now you have to define what constitutes death by sport.
Just to make it more complicated, horse riding which is a hobby when not racing has a high death toll. How about mountaineering? Again doesn't feel like a sport. Gliding? These fit the deadly criteria. However to be a sport I think you need to be competing.
https://www.wgc2020.fr
PS As and aside I think I noted a few years back that there do seem to be a disproportionate number of glider pilots or (as in my case) ex-glider pilots on PB for some reason.
I would not put myself in the category of glider pilot as she wasn't my girlfriend long enough.
Two stories:
a) Thought I had really mastered the winch takeoff when it became really easy only to have my instructor shout at me he was taking over and we were going to land in a field. Something had gone wrong with the winch and we were nowhere near 800 ft.
b) On my first tug launch where I took control I could not cope with the extra speed and consequential extra maneuverability. I attempted to overtake the tug from below, above and to either side. The pilot must have been having kittens wondering where I was.
First meeting with the health and safety executive:
“So, how will this engineless plane get up into the air?”
“Well, we’ve got a couple of ideas - we could use a rope to tie it to the back of a powered aeroplane and take off with them connected together, or we could get a piece of steel cable a mile long, and use a big winch to wind it in at 60mph while the guy in the glider points it at the sky...”
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I really don't understand why Farage doesn't retire (or move on to a second career, back into trading or just as a media personality or something). He's getting basically everything he ever wanted yet he doesn't seem to feel like a success.kinabalu said:
A long long time ago I can still remember how the Brexit used to make him smile.isam said:
Back to form. Let’s hope he gets over Donald nice and quickDura_Ace said:I've just watched Farage's latest video on FB. He really is a phenomenal political communicator and he fucking hates Johnson and 👸 🥜🥜.
https://twitter.com/nigel_farage/status/1328250559128883200?s=210 -
The Johnson conundrum:
1. Politically, he cannot do a trade deal with the EU.
2. Economically, he cannot not do a trade deal with the EU.
Because Johnson is not in politics for the good of the British people or business, 1 will trump 2 every single time.1 -
You forgot the elastic band. My wife was very taken with seeing it in action, on the powered (but barely so) English Electric Wren at Old Warden some years back.Sandpit said:
I always pondered what the response would be if someone tried to invent gliding today.kjh said:
Yep re running. Running in a race = sport. Running to keep fit = not sport.Benpointer said:
Fair point, but isn't the same true of running.kjh said:
Yep, been there, done that, when I had a girlfriend with a glider. But it is comparable to horse riding - 90+ percent is not competitive (other than against yourself).Benpointer said:
Plenty of competition in gliding, just saying:kjh said:I noticed earlier the discussion of what is a game and what is a sport. This falls in the same category of a discussion on religion or politics; we are never going to agree.
Intrinsically we all really know and are arguing at the fringes, but more importantly we argue on how you define it.
I liked the definition of a sport is defined as one in which you can die. I have never heard that one before and generally it fits, but, but, but you still get into the fringes eg being hit in the head by a snooker ball or croquet ball while trying a hard hit, whereas you are not going to die when hit by a table tennis ball (although you might have a heart attack, but then you might while throwing a dart [particularly if you are 22 stone and on your eighth pint]).
So now you have to define what constitutes death by sport.
Just to make it more complicated, horse riding which is a hobby when not racing has a high death toll. How about mountaineering? Again doesn't feel like a sport. Gliding? These fit the deadly criteria. However to be a sport I think you need to be competing.
https://www.wgc2020.fr
PS As and aside I think I noted a few years back that there do seem to be a disproportionate number of glider pilots or (as in my case) ex-glider pilots on PB for some reason.
I would not put myself in the category of glider pilot as she wasn't my girlfriend long enough.
Two stories:
a) Thought I had really mastered the winch takeoff when it became really easy only to have my instructor shout at me he was taking over and we were going to land in a field. Something had gone wrong with the winch and we were nowhere near 800 ft.
b) On my first tug launch where I took control I could not cope with the extra speed and consequential extra maneuverability. I attempted to overtake the tug from below, above and to either side. The pilot must have been having kittens wondering where I was.
First meeting with the health and safety executive:
“So, how will this engineless plane get up into the air?”
“Well, we’ve got a couple of ideas - we could use a rope to tie it to the back of a powered aeroplane and take off with them connected together, or we could get a piece of steel cable a mile long, and use a big winch to wind it in at 60mph while the guy in the glider points it at the sky...”
“ “ 1 -
King Cole, plenty of F1 drivers choose to take that route.1
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A politician who is loathed by 3/4 of the population even if loved by the other 1/4 can never be really successful. Even Trump managed to fire up enough opponents to see him off. People like Farage need a fascist revival before they 'll become more than a joke.TOPPING said:
You probably need to work on the difference between:kinabalu said:
Used to really rate him but his foray into the bowels of Trump has soiled him irrevocably in my eyes. There's no coming back from that.OnlyLivingBoy said:
While I utterly detest Farage and wouldn't ever vote for him, I can understand why people like him, which isn't the case with Johnson who is so obviously a fake.isam said:
Back to form. Let’s hope he gets over Donald nice and quickDura_Ace said:I've just watched Farage's latest video on FB. He really is a phenomenal political communicator and he fucking hates Johnson and 👸 🥜🥜.
https://twitter.com/nigel_farage/status/1328250559128883200?s=21
1. An effective politician; and
2. A politician you don't agree with.
Nige is both of course and the latter doesn't alter the former.0 -
DiT Webinar: Now they're talking about stuff imported from RoW into the UK via Zeebrugge / Rotterdam. Have confirmed that before this stuff leaves NL full import paperwork will need to be done. Which will of course make it all cheaper than it is now and definitely cheaper than everyone in the EU will get it with their lack of additional paperwork & costs.0
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I'm backing the GOP for different reasons.Quincel said:This is an interesting thought, but do we think many GOP voters will still think in January that Trump might hold on? Surely by then the vast majority will either accept he lost or think he was cheated out of a second term, the latter might even raise their turnout likelihood.
With regret I'm leaning towards just backing the GOP in both seats.
Once the electoral college meets and confirms Biden as the winner the dynamic will change in Georgia.
The dynamic will be stop the Dems from controlling all three of the White House, House, and Senate, that'll get GOPers in Georgia out and voting.1 -
We don't talk about that now, nor his 27 gas guzzling cars or his jetting all over the world to sail about on private yachts....OldKingCole said:
Be even better if he wasn't a tax-exile in Monaco (?) though.FrancisUrquhart said:RE SPOTY...I notice in recent weeks the BBC pumping up Lewis Hamilton, not only winning again in F1, equal with Schumacher for titles, but all his social justice and eco campaigning. Ticks a lot of BBC boxes and conspiectous absence of talk about his tax dodging in their reporting of his inspiration acts.
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Nice, it should henceforth be referred to as the 'Brexit Apostrophe'.Benpointer said:
At least he doesn't use the Brexit apostrophe. I still see lot's of people using that in many place's but Boris know's its not required.TheScreamingEagles said:
He's always been a monster in my eyes for years when he persistently failed to use the Oxford Comma in his articles.Roy_G_Biv said:
Anybody who uses a space before an exclamation mark or a question mark deserves to be incarcerated for a lot longer than 2 weeks.Scott_xP said:
I mean, we all knew the man was a monster, but even I didn't realise he was this bad.0 -
They used to call my office every day - which sadly for them, was the support team for a software company.OldKingCole said:
The 'Microsoft Technical Department' calls of a few years ago were good for that. Ten minutes of 'doing' whatever they wanted, and then say something like 'Apple doesn't work like that.'TheScreamingEagles said:
It is the best thing with those 'We understand you were in a car accident in the last five years'OldKingCole said:
So do we, and a damn nuisance they are. What's even more infuriating is that there isn't a human at the other end, to whom you can be creatively rude.Andy_JS said:
We get the Amazon Prime scam call on a regular basis.Benpointer said:Completely off topic, does anyone know why BT cannot stop call number spoofing?
Just getting another plague of scam/phishing calls on our landline. Bloody irritating!
I like stringing them along for a few minutes, tell them about an accident for about 5 minutes then at the end say 'Oh I was really drunk at the time, and high on cocaine at the time, will I still be able to get compensation?'
Endless hours of fun, we kept a book on who could keep them talking for the longest.
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Philip_Thompson said:
Oh, and while the king was looking downkinabalu said:
A long long time ago I can still remember how the Brexit used to make him smile.isam said:
Back to form. Let’s hope he gets over Donald nice and quickDura_Ace said:I've just watched Farage's latest video on FB. He really is a phenomenal political communicator and he fucking hates Johnson and 👸 🥜🥜.
https://twitter.com/nigel_farage/status/1328250559128883200?s=21
The jester stole his thorny crown
I wrote a long verse poem to the exact tune - "Brexit Pie" - which I considered floating on here. But it IS long.1 -
1 leads to a political crisis, but so does 2...SouthamObserver said:The Johnson conundrum:
1. Politically, he cannot do a trade deal with the EU.
2. Economically, he cannot not do a trade deal with the EU.
Because Johnson is not in politics for the good of the British people or business, 1 will trump 2 every single time.1 -
Is there any app that can deal with that situation in a satisfactory manner?TheScreamingEagles said:World beating.
https://twitter.com/WDurrands/status/13282699125827952640 -
Explaining the powered glider would also be interesting - 'You've got an engine, but you propose to turn it off?'Sandpit said:
I often pondered what the response would be if someone tried to invent gliding today.kjh said:
Yep re running. Running in a race = sport. Running to keep fit = not sport.Benpointer said:
Fair point, but isn't the same true of running.kjh said:
Yep, been there, done that, when I had a girlfriend with a glider. But it is comparable to horse riding - 90+ percent is not competitive (other than against yourself).Benpointer said:
Plenty of competition in gliding, just saying:kjh said:I noticed earlier the discussion of what is a game and what is a sport. This falls in the same category of a discussion on religion or politics; we are never going to agree.
Intrinsically we all really know and are arguing at the fringes, but more importantly we argue on how you define it.
I liked the definition of a sport is defined as one in which you can die. I have never heard that one before and generally it fits, but, but, but you still get into the fringes eg being hit in the head by a snooker ball or croquet ball while trying a hard hit, whereas you are not going to die when hit by a table tennis ball (although you might have a heart attack, but then you might while throwing a dart [particularly if you are 22 stone and on your eighth pint]).
So now you have to define what constitutes death by sport.
Just to make it more complicated, horse riding which is a hobby when not racing has a high death toll. How about mountaineering? Again doesn't feel like a sport. Gliding? These fit the deadly criteria. However to be a sport I think you need to be competing.
https://www.wgc2020.fr
PS As and aside I think I noted a few years back that there do seem to be a disproportionate number of glider pilots or (as in my case) ex-glider pilots on PB for some reason.
I would not put myself in the category of glider pilot as she wasn't my girlfriend long enough.
Two stories:
a) Thought I had really mastered the winch takeoff when it became really easy only to have my instructor shout at me he was taking over and we were going to land in a field. Something had gone wrong with the winch and we were nowhere near 800 ft.
b) On my first tug launch where I took control I could not cope with the extra speed and consequential extra maneuverability. I attempted to overtake the tug from below, above and to either side. The pilot must have been having kittens wondering where I was.
First meeting with the health and safety executive:
“So, how will this engineless plane get up into the air?”
“Well, we’ve got a couple of ideas - we could use a rope to tie it to the back of a powered aeroplane and take off with them connected together, or we could get a piece of steel cable a mile long, and use a big winch to wind it in at 60mph while the guy in the glider points it at the sky...”
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This is true, but with respect I don't see how it defends his actions. The fact is Hamilton is a grown man who is perfectly capable of deciding not to do what others do, and I think judging him on his choices is entirely fair. Some will have a different view, but I think tax exiles aren't right to be SPOTY because it shows a selfishness which is at odds with what the prize is meant to reward.Morris_Dancer said:King Cole, plenty of F1 drivers choose to take that route.
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Fudge and delay.SouthamObserver said:The Johnson conundrum:
1. Politically, he cannot do a trade deal with the EU.
2. Economically, he cannot not do a trade deal with the EU.
Because Johnson is not in politics for the good of the British people or business, 1 will trump 2 every single time.0 -
Ignoring the fact that this is an admission that the courts aren't Covid-19 compliant can we start turning off the app in other busy places like restaurants?RobD said:
Is there any app that can deal with that situation in a satisfactory manner?TheScreamingEagles said:World beating.
https://twitter.com/WDurrands/status/1328269912582795264
Wouldn't it be better to know that you've been in contact with someone with Covid-19 lest you spread it yourself?0 -
SPOTY - If we are talking personality it's surely Rashford but if sport it absolutely 100% has to be Hamilton surely?
Sporting wise has Rashford achieved anything at all this year?
If it does at it is going to a footballer then sports wise Henderson deserves it much more than Rashford.0 -
Yes that is a fair point. Although it is perfectly acceptable to be a Trump supporter and also an effective politician albeit Trump lost so not so effective winner-backing-wise.kinabalu said:
But that's my point. I have always hated his politics but I used to rate him highly as a politician. Reason I don't so much now is that he has made himself look a total pillock with his softhead Trumpery. Still, he'll always have 23/6/16. That was a higher peak than most achieve.TOPPING said:
You probably need to work on the difference between:kinabalu said:
Used to really rate him but his foray into the bowels of Trump has soiled him irrevocably in my eyes. There's no coming back from that.OnlyLivingBoy said:
While I utterly detest Farage and wouldn't ever vote for him, I can understand why people like him, which isn't the case with Johnson who is so obviously a fake.isam said:
Back to form. Let’s hope he gets over Donald nice and quickDura_Ace said:I've just watched Farage's latest video on FB. He really is a phenomenal political communicator and he fucking hates Johnson and 👸 🥜🥜.
https://twitter.com/nigel_farage/status/1328250559128883200?s=21
1. An effective politician; and
2. A politician you don't agree with.
Nige is both of course and the latter doesn't alter the former.1 -
Yes, I don't really know enough about the accusations of Biden being creepy to make a judgment - I'd like to think he's innocent! But I find Maher saying that a woman saying she didn't like the way a powerful man touched her and kissed her (and smelt her hair) should just get used to it or stay at home, actually quite creepy in itself.kjh said:
I agree completely.kamski said:
the "ladies' lingerie" affair is written about here:kjh said:
Agree brilliant.Peter_the_Punter said:
Brilliant.Sandpit said:Bill Maher, on why the Democrats need to get over themselves, why 10m more people voted Trump than in 2016, why they lost seats in the House - and why Twitter isn’t America.
https://twitter.com/billmaher/status/1327478205733687297
As someone who comes from the Jeremy Clarkson wing of the LDs, so gets particularly annoyed by this sort of thing and who also has no personal knowledge of the root and branch of the Democrats, I would be interested to know how much is genuine twats on wokeness and how much is distorted by their opponents.
In the UK you definitely get the idiots promoting nonsense, but also a lot of perfectly sensible stuff that is distorted in its application by people not using common sense, by not evaluating what is intended (jobs worth types), or by opponents distorting a perfectly good aim by exaggerating or distorting it to make it look politically correct.
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/05/is-this-old-lingerie-joke-harmless-or-harassment/559760/
basically a trivial academic spat, which nobody comes out of looking that wonderful. but has it got anything to do with Dem politicians?
I'm quite uncomfortable with Maher's comments on this:
https://www.thecut.com/2019/03/an-awkward-kiss-changed-how-i-saw-joe-biden.html
especially as Biden was not just an "old man trying to show support in an old man way", he was Vice-President.
The first is a harmless joke and the world would be a lot sadder without these jokes. Nobody should take offence.
The second is not so. I do find him a bit too much touchy feely for my liking. There are lots of these. Some harmless, like him kissing the head of his granddaughter at the funeral of her father. Others however make me feel a bit uncomfortable, but then I am not a touchy feely person. Having read the article you linked I agree with you.0 -
Do not think so. For me the politics steers to a deal. I think he can handle flak from the headbangers much easier than that from a WTO crash out.SouthamObserver said:The Johnson conundrum:
1. Politically, he cannot do a trade deal with the EU.
2. Economically, he cannot not do a trade deal with the EU.
Because Johnson is not in politics for the good of the British people or business, 1 will trump 2 every single time.3 -
When they say am I speaking to Mr Topping, I don't answer but immediately ask "so how much will I get"? And push them to give me a figure and then when they eventually name one push them on why so low.TheScreamingEagles said:
It is the best thing with those 'We understand you were in a car accident in the last five years'OldKingCole said:
So do we, and a damn nuisance they are. What's even more infuriating is that there isn't a human at the other end, to whom you can be creatively rude.Andy_JS said:
We get the Amazon Prime scam call on a regular basis.Benpointer said:Completely off topic, does anyone know why BT cannot stop call number spoofing?
Just getting another plague of scam/phishing calls on our landline. Bloody irritating!
I like stringing them along for a few minutes, tell them about an accident for about 5 minutes then at the end say 'Oh I was really drunk at the time, and high on cocaine at the time, will I still be able to get compensation?'
I know - it's their job so not fair to abuse them as they are paid to do it but one must take one's amusements where one can.0 -
I suppose he's hooked on being a player.Quincel said:
I really don't understand why Farage doesn't retire (or move on to a second career, back into trading or just as a media personality or something). He's getting basically everything he ever wanted yet he doesn't seem to feel like a success.kinabalu said:
A long long time ago I can still remember how the Brexit used to make him smile.isam said:
Back to form. Let’s hope he gets over Donald nice and quickDura_Ace said:I've just watched Farage's latest video on FB. He really is a phenomenal political communicator and he fucking hates Johnson and 👸 🥜🥜.
https://twitter.com/nigel_farage/status/1328250559128883200?s=210 -
Rashford couldn't get past three semis this year.Philip_Thompson said:SPOTY - If we are talking personality it's surely Rashford but if sport it absolutely 100% has to be Hamilton surely?
Sporting wise has Rashford achieved anything at all this year?
If it does at it is going to a footballer then sports wise Henderson deserves it much more than Rashford.
#WouldViagraHelp?1 -
1 leads to an immediate political crisis, 2 leads to the long-term destruction of the Conservative Party and the total evisceration of what little is left of Boris Johnson's reputation (not to mention spectacular damage to the UK). So logically he should choose 1, but his entire life has been based on going for the short-term and letting the long-term go hang. Hard to say which it will be this time.Scott_xP said:
1 leads to a political crisis, but so does 2...SouthamObserver said:The Johnson conundrum:
1. Politically, he cannot do a trade deal with the EU.
2. Economically, he cannot not do a trade deal with the EU.
Because Johnson is not in politics for the good of the British people or business, 1 will trump 2 every single time.0 -
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A few techniques I have tried is putting them on hold listening to music and getting them to repeatedly call back because I was too busy, but I was really interested in what they were telling me.Sandpit said:
They used to call my office every day - which sadly for them, was the support team for a software company.OldKingCole said:
The 'Microsoft Technical Department' calls of a few years ago were good for that. Ten minutes of 'doing' whatever they wanted, and then say something like 'Apple doesn't work like that.'TheScreamingEagles said:
It is the best thing with those 'We understand you were in a car accident in the last five years'OldKingCole said:
So do we, and a damn nuisance they are. What's even more infuriating is that there isn't a human at the other end, to whom you can be creatively rude.Andy_JS said:
We get the Amazon Prime scam call on a regular basis.Benpointer said:Completely off topic, does anyone know why BT cannot stop call number spoofing?
Just getting another plague of scam/phishing calls on our landline. Bloody irritating!
I like stringing them along for a few minutes, tell them about an accident for about 5 minutes then at the end say 'Oh I was really drunk at the time, and high on cocaine at the time, will I still be able to get compensation?'
Endless hours of fun, we kept a book on who could keep them talking for the longest.1 -
Definitely post it.kinabalu said:Philip_Thompson said:
Oh, and while the king was looking downkinabalu said:
A long long time ago I can still remember how the Brexit used to make him smile.isam said:
Back to form. Let’s hope he gets over Donald nice and quickDura_Ace said:I've just watched Farage's latest video on FB. He really is a phenomenal political communicator and he fucking hates Johnson and 👸 🥜🥜.
https://twitter.com/nigel_farage/status/1328250559128883200?s=21
The jester stole his thorny crown
I wrote a long verse poem to the exact tune - "Brexit Pie" - which I considered floating on here. But it IS long.
That line I quoted amused me since people here always call Boris a clown, it fits too well.0 -
The difference is that Option 1 leads to a definite political crisis now. Option 2 leads to a political crisis at some point in the future, and (if your spectacles are rose-tinted enough) gives you the option to claim that there won't be an economic problem at all.Scott_xP said:
1 leads to a political crisis, but so does 2...SouthamObserver said:The Johnson conundrum:
1. Politically, he cannot do a trade deal with the EU.
2. Economically, he cannot not do a trade deal with the EU.
Because Johnson is not in politics for the good of the British people or business, 1 will trump 2 every single time.
Most governments would be willing to balance the risk of a crisis now against a potentially worse one later. But this is a Boris Johnson government, and thinking beyond the end of his nose isn't something he is renowned for.0 -
I am not sure SPOTY has anything to do with persoanlity....see Giggs and 3 time winner Andy Murray.Philip_Thompson said:SPOTY - If we are talking personality it's surely Rashford but if sport it absolutely 100% has to be Hamilton surely?
Sporting wise has Rashford achieved anything at all this year?
If it does at it is going to a footballer then sports wise Henderson deserves it much more than Rashford.1 -
"Personality"-wise there is no contest. It's The Gypsy King, closely followed by Rocket Ronnie.MaxPB said:
Lewis Hamilton.Mysticrose said:And the obviously winning sports 'personality' of the year is Marcus Rashford. By a million miles.
They should change the name of the award.1 -
The 38 Sea Harrier FRS1 that were rebuilt into FA2s occasionally became involuntary gliders due to gash electrical systems. The 18 'new builds' were good and much prized by those that didn't fancy swimming back to the carrier.Sandpit said:
I often pondered what the response would be if someone tried to invent gliding today.
First meeting with the health and safety executive:
“So, how will this engineless plane get up into the air?”
“Well, we’ve got a couple of ideas - we could use a rope to tie it to the back of a powered aeroplane and take off with them connected together, or we could get a piece of steel cable a mile long, and use a big winch to wind it in at 60mph while the guy in the glider points it at the sky...”
“ “ 1 -
Boris Johnson does not look well.
I know it has been said before but it's really noticeable today.0 -
DiT Webinar: Food labelling is changing in GB only. In NI the EU labelling rules will be required. So to sell the same food in the same shops in the same country two separate labels will be needed (albeit from Sept22). Which means two separate SKUs, two separate pallet spaces, two separate shipping routes etc etc for what is currently all one.
So that's definitely going to make things cheaper for consumers. Or - make things cheaper and make NI effectively an extension of the ROI marketplace. As opposed to the other way round as so often is the case at the moment in grocery.1 -
The 'BT Technical Department' seemed to be pretty impervious to 'This isn't a BT line'!OldKingCole said:
The 'Microsoft Technical Department' calls of a few years ago were good for that. Ten minutes of 'doing' whatever they wanted, and then say something like 'Apple doesn't work like that.'TheScreamingEagles said:
It is the best thing with those 'We understand you were in a car accident in the last five years'OldKingCole said:
So do we, and a damn nuisance they are. What's even more infuriating is that there isn't a human at the other end, to whom you can be creatively rude.Andy_JS said:
We get the Amazon Prime scam call on a regular basis.Benpointer said:Completely off topic, does anyone know why BT cannot stop call number spoofing?
Just getting another plague of scam/phishing calls on our landline. Bloody irritating!
I like stringing them along for a few minutes, tell them about an accident for about 5 minutes then at the end say 'Oh I was really drunk at the time, and high on cocaine at the time, will I still be able to get compensation?'2 -
There has been a fascist revival. Just because they don't wear silly uniforms (well not in public anyway) and talk about liquidating swathes of people they don't like doesn't mean that they are not very real and very dangerous. Brexit is the manifestation of 21st century fascism; divisive and irrational, it has fed off all the same fears and loathing that fascism has always sought to exploit. Johnson is clearly not a fascist, a populist egotist perhaps, but he has been a very useful idiot for the likes of Farage and Putin, both of whom most definitely are.Roger said:
A politician who is loathed by 3/4 of the population even if loved by the other 1/4 can never be really successful. Even Trump managed to fire up enough opponents to see him off. People like Farage need a fascist revival before they 'll become more than a joke.TOPPING said:
You probably need to work on the difference between:kinabalu said:
Used to really rate him but his foray into the bowels of Trump has soiled him irrevocably in my eyes. There's no coming back from that.OnlyLivingBoy said:
While I utterly detest Farage and wouldn't ever vote for him, I can understand why people like him, which isn't the case with Johnson who is so obviously a fake.isam said:
Back to form. Let’s hope he gets over Donald nice and quickDura_Ace said:I've just watched Farage's latest video on FB. He really is a phenomenal political communicator and he fucking hates Johnson and 👸 🥜🥜.
https://twitter.com/nigel_farage/status/1328250559128883200?s=21
1. An effective politician; and
2. A politician you don't agree with.
Nige is both of course and the latter doesn't alter the former.0 -
Not if it's sports personality.Philip_Thompson said:SPOTY - If we are talking personality it's surely Rashford but if sport it absolutely 100% has to be Hamilton surely?
Sporting wise has Rashford achieved anything at all this year?
If it does at it is going to a footballer then sports wise Henderson deserves it much more than Rashford.
Hamilton has none. Or, rather, the little he does have is odious.
And driving an engine round and round a track isn't sport.0 -
2 is no big deal. Greatly, greatly exaggerated.Richard_Nabavi said:
1 leads to an immediate political crisis, 2 leads to the long-term destruction of the Conservative Party and the total evisceration of what little is left of Boris Johnson's reputation (not to mention spectacular damage to the UK). So logically he should choose 1, but his entire life has been based on going for the short-term and letting the long-term go hang. Hard to say which it will be this time.Scott_xP said:
1 leads to a political crisis, but so does 2...SouthamObserver said:The Johnson conundrum:
1. Politically, he cannot do a trade deal with the EU.
2. Economically, he cannot not do a trade deal with the EU.
Because Johnson is not in politics for the good of the British people or business, 1 will trump 2 every single time.
Though we will never find out since it's unlikely to happen all the headless chicken screaming here that it'll be the end of the world is no different to the same pre-Referendum. Same old tired story.0 -
Just because he offends your white supremacy doesn't make him odious.Mysticrose said:
Not if it's sports personality.Philip_Thompson said:SPOTY - If we are talking personality it's surely Rashford but if sport it absolutely 100% has to be Hamilton surely?
Sporting wise has Rashford achieved anything at all this year?
If it does at it is going to a footballer then sports wise Henderson deserves it much more than Rashford.
Hamilton has none. Or, rather, the little he does have is odious.
And driving an engine round and round a track isn't sport.
He clearly has a lot of personality which is why he rubs you up the wrong way.0 -
24/7 keyboard warrior with no apparent experience or understanding of business economics says it will all be fine. I feel greatly reassured.Philip_Thompson said:
2 is no big deal. Greatly, greatly exaggerated.Richard_Nabavi said:
1 leads to an immediate political crisis, 2 leads to the long-term destruction of the Conservative Party and the total evisceration of what little is left of Boris Johnson's reputation (not to mention spectacular damage to the UK). So logically he should choose 1, but his entire life has been based on going for the short-term and letting the long-term go hang. Hard to say which it will be this time.Scott_xP said:
1 leads to a political crisis, but so does 2...SouthamObserver said:The Johnson conundrum:
1. Politically, he cannot do a trade deal with the EU.
2. Economically, he cannot not do a trade deal with the EU.
Because Johnson is not in politics for the good of the British people or business, 1 will trump 2 every single time.
Though we will never find out since it's unlikely to happen all the headless chicken screaming here that it'll be the end of the world is no different to the same pre-Referendum. Same old tired story.2 -
BBC News - Covid: Visitor tests in all care homes in England 'by Christmas'
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-54959012
6 months too late.1 -
The way I see it, the ERG owns a WTO deal as much as Johnson does, so politically they will be much less trouble for him if we go to No Deal - in fact, they will love him. And the ERG basically owns the Conservative party these days. Johnson is not thinking about a wider constituency than that.kinabalu said:
Do not think so. For me the politics steers to a deal. I think he can handle flak from the headbangers much easier than that from a WTO crash out.SouthamObserver said:The Johnson conundrum:
1. Politically, he cannot do a trade deal with the EU.
2. Economically, he cannot not do a trade deal with the EU.
Because Johnson is not in politics for the good of the British people or business, 1 will trump 2 every single time.
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Destroying your country's economy and your party in under a year will do that to you, I guess.Mysticrose said:Boris Johnson does not look well.
I know it has been said before but it's really noticeable today.0 -
Like I said, call people what they want to be called.Sandpit said:
It wasn’t Maher that said don’t use the term, it was the congressman.Nigelb said:
Maher appears to be doing his own little bit of cancelling when he ridicules the term Latinx.Sandpit said:
Maher has been saying the same thing about ‘cancel culture’ and freedom of speech for years now, he’s a staunch Democrat but sees them talking to themselves and appealing to a small but vocal minority on Twitter.Stocky said:
Very good. Thanks for posting. If I had a vote I`d struggle to vote Dem at the moment - unless it was to unseat a giant orange turd like Trump. That pretty much sums up the 2020 election.Sandpit said:Bill Maher, on why the Democrats need to get over themselves, why 10m more people voted Trump than in 2016, why they lost seats in the House - and why Twitter isn’t America.
https://twitter.com/billmaher/status/1327478205733687297
Comedians in general have been good on this stuff, see also Dave Chapelle. They were among the first people to realise the power of Trump, as they toured the small towns of the country and saw a very different world to that in NY and CA.
The analysis of what just happened says that people voted for not-Trump, but didn’t vote positively for Democrats elsewhere.
While it's true that its use in Hispanic communities is relatively rare, it's a term of self-identification for some.
https://www.history.com/news/hispanic-latino-latinx-chicano-background
I take the view that you call people what they want to be called. No doubt the Democrats will come round to that in time.
It's a principle that seems quite antipathetic to Trump's version of Republicanism.
What Maher is getting at is the identity politics, and lazy assumptions that all people who look the same think the same.
If 10% of South Americans in the USA like the use of a particular term, 20% are ambivalent about it, but 70% hate it and find it offensive or patronising, then it’s probably not a good idea to keep using it in public - even if everyone you know is in the 10% group.
If that means addressing different communities on their own terms, rather than assuming that Latino Americans are a monolithic group, so much the better.1 -
I don't see any evidence of Farage being a fascist. Putin yes, Johnson obviously no.Nigel_Foremain said:
There has been a fascist revival. Just because they don't wear silly uniforms (well not in public anyway) and talk about liquidating swathes of people they don't like doesn't mean that they are not very real and very dangerous. Brexit is the manifestation of 21st century fascism; divisive and irrational, it has fed off all the same fears and loathing that fascism has always sought to exploit. Johnson is clearly not a fascist, a populist egotist perhaps, but he has been a very useful idiot for the likes of Farage and Putin, both of whom most definitely are.Roger said:
A politician who is loathed by 3/4 of the population even if loved by the other 1/4 can never be really successful. Even Trump managed to fire up enough opponents to see him off. People like Farage need a fascist revival before they 'll become more than a joke.TOPPING said:
You probably need to work on the difference between:kinabalu said:
Used to really rate him but his foray into the bowels of Trump has soiled him irrevocably in my eyes. There's no coming back from that.OnlyLivingBoy said:
While I utterly detest Farage and wouldn't ever vote for him, I can understand why people like him, which isn't the case with Johnson who is so obviously a fake.isam said:
Back to form. Let’s hope he gets over Donald nice and quickDura_Ace said:I've just watched Farage's latest video on FB. He really is a phenomenal political communicator and he fucking hates Johnson and 👸 🥜🥜.
https://twitter.com/nigel_farage/status/1328250559128883200?s=21
1. An effective politician; and
2. A politician you don't agree with.
Nige is both of course and the latter doesn't alter the former.
Brexit is also not fascist. Even though the fascists were keen supports of Brexit, they comprise a tiny minority of its supporters. The worst you can say for the majority of Brexit campaigners is that they failed to properly repudiate the fascists in their wings. That alone is damning enough, but it's not enough to call them fascists themselves.0 -
It will be interesting as the Dems actually have a very good ground game in Georgia now. So I think they will keep up momentum and we might see 2 very very tight races, as being in control of all 3 levels as a reason to vote could energise both sides to turn up.TheScreamingEagles said:
I'm backing the GOP for different reasons.Quincel said:This is an interesting thought, but do we think many GOP voters will still think in January that Trump might hold on? Surely by then the vast majority will either accept he lost or think he was cheated out of a second term, the latter might even raise their turnout likelihood.
With regret I'm leaning towards just backing the GOP in both seats.
Once the electoral college meets and confirms Biden as the winner the dynamic will change in Georgia.
The dynamic will be stop the Dems from controlling all three of the White House, House, and Senate, that'll get GOPers in Georgia out and voting.0 -
Pretty sure he pays more UK tax than you (and probably any of us) do, Roger.Roger said:
All this talk of wokery....can anyone in good conscience be happy making money out of an aggressive tax avoider who earns $54 million a year?Sandpit said:
Saying the same thing every morning won’t make Betfair settle early. Remember they’re a broker not a bookmaker, it’s not their money they’ll be paying out. It’ll be settled when the results are final.Mysticrose said:I think this is a very good point by Mike and a great tip with SMarkets.
I'm on Ossoff at 2/1 with Betfair Sportsbook.
Speaking of Betfair, they are still not settling up on Biden 300-329 ECVs. I think this is really poor and I have complained. What with this and the kind of shenanigans that Mike highlights I am not impressed with them right now.
When they do finally pay out, put everything of Lewis Hamilton for the Sports Personality award, he’s 1.85 on Betfair at the moment, but who else has any significant sporting achievements this year?0 -
I've had to turn the BBC News page off, as it's got a large pic of a definitely poorly-looking Boris. Very unpleasant on two counts!contrarian said:
Destroying your country's economy and your party in under a year will do that to you, I guess.Mysticrose said:Boris Johnson does not look well.
I know it has been said before but it's really noticeable today.0 -
Here’s a short interview from him yesterday, comes across to me as humble, grateful and aware of the platform he has to inspire others and change things in the world. A worthy champion, and quite different from how people perceive him based on what he was like a decade ago as a 23 year old rookie.Mysticrose said:
Not if it's sports personality.Philip_Thompson said:SPOTY - If we are talking personality it's surely Rashford but if sport it absolutely 100% has to be Hamilton surely?
Sporting wise has Rashford achieved anything at all this year?
If it does at it is going to a footballer then sports wise Henderson deserves it much more than Rashford.
Hamilton has none. Or, rather, the little he does have is odious.
And driving an engine round and round a track isn't sport.
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In chunks maybe -Philip_Thompson said:
Definitely post it.kinabalu said:Philip_Thompson said:
Oh, and while the king was looking downkinabalu said:
A long long time ago I can still remember how the Brexit used to make him smile.isam said:
Back to form. Let’s hope he gets over Donald nice and quickDura_Ace said:I've just watched Farage's latest video on FB. He really is a phenomenal political communicator and he fucking hates Johnson and 👸 🥜🥜.
https://twitter.com/nigel_farage/status/1328250559128883200?s=21
The jester stole his thorny crown
I wrote a long verse poem to the exact tune - "Brexit Pie" - which I considered floating on here. But it IS long.
That line I quoted amused me since people here always call Boris a clown, it fits too well.
1.
A long long time ago
I can still remember how
The Brexit used to make me smile
And I knew if we had our chance
That we would get one up on France
And we could beat the Germans by a mile
But Parliament would always dither
Instead of trying to deliver
Bad news on our doorstep
We couldn’t take one more step
I’m not ashamed to say I cried
When I found that even Boris lied
And now it seems our hands are tied
The day the Brexit died
So why why was it not Do or Die?
Brexit stolen from the People, what a poke in the eye
Them good ole boys are eating pasties and pies
Singing all the liberal traitors must die
All the liberal traitors must die.2 -
DiT Webinar: Onto the Kent Access Permit. A demo site "Check an HGV is ready to Cross the Border" is ready for testing. It WILL be required for use from 1/1/21 despite not yet having been completed beyond a testing phase. For non-Kent ports the same paperwork is mandatory from 1/1/21 just without the system (which doesn't yet work beyond initial testing) generating a KAP
Operation Brock. Trucks carrying live animals will be fast-tracked to be removed from the Brock queues to be prioritised at the Port queues. So that's confirmation that as well as the vast car parks (locations, capacities and capabilities TBC remember) being built that Brock will be turning Kent's motorways into car parks.0 -
2.
When they wrote the script for this
Did they intend to take the piss?
‘Cos that’s how it looks to me
When we went down in June Sixteen
We voted Leave and we were keen
Now here we are just crying in our beer
Well I know that the result was tight
And it’s true that we are not too bright
Did not do what we’re told
‘Cos man we’re sick of all these Poles
I was an angry fifty something man
With a wife and kids and a small white van
But I knew shit had hit the fan
The day that Brexit died
I started singing
Bye bye it was not Do or Die
Brexit stolen from the People, what a poke in the eye
Those good ole boys are eating pasties and pies
Singing all the liberal traitors must die
All the liberal traitors must die
Now for three years we’ve been up the creek
And Jean Claude Juncker has the cheek
To tell us how it ought to be
When the People said Take Back Control
What they meant by this God only knows
But their voice was loud and it was clear
Then while we stopped and faffed around
The traitors came and stole the crown
Our chance for glory spurned
The whole thing got adjourned
And while Corbyn read a book on Marx
Remainers marched in Regents Park
And Leave got shafted up the arse
The day that Brexit died
We were singing
Why why was it not Do or Die?
Brexit stolen from the People, what a poke in the eye
Them good ole boys are eating pasties and pies
Singing all the liberal traitors must die
All the liberal traitors must die.3 -
I mean I know it doesn't matter in the great scheme of things but does he look in the mirror, examine what he sees, and then say to himself: "Yep, Prime Ministerial 100%."OldKingCole said:
I've had to turn the BBC News page off, as it's got a large pic of a definitely poorly-looking Boris. Very unpleasant on two counts!contrarian said:
Destroying your country's economy and your party in under a year will do that to you, I guess.Mysticrose said:Boris Johnson does not look well.
I know it has been said before but it's really noticeable today.
Nor do I want to sound like my father but for goodness sake man brush your hair. You are not in an ad for hair product.
Edit: and if I was perhaps suspected of having the virus and/or wanted to show myself to be fit as a fiddle I'd actually put a suit and tie on and try to look immaculate (and brush my hair...).1 -
I hate every car he owns apart from his LaF and his SLS.Sandpit said:
Here’s a short interview from him yesterday, comes across to me as humble, grateful and aware of the platform he has to inspire others and change things in the world. A worthy champion, and quite different from how people perceive him based on what he was like a decade ago as a 23 year old rookie.Mysticrose said:
Not if it's sports personality.Philip_Thompson said:SPOTY - If we are talking personality it's surely Rashford but if sport it absolutely 100% has to be Hamilton surely?
Sporting wise has Rashford achieved anything at all this year?
If it does at it is going to a footballer then sports wise Henderson deserves it much more than Rashford.
Hamilton has none. Or, rather, the little he does have is odious.
And driving an engine round and round a track isn't sport.
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3.
Helter skelter in the summer swelter
When Soubry speaks you wanna just belt her
Brexit screwed and fading fast
No way now that it can pass
There’s no-one even kicking ass
And Starmer on the sidelines thinking fast
Now the EU guy was Donald Tusk
And he toiled hard from dawn to dusk
Dave Davis he took a stance
Oh, but he never had a chance
Because when he tried to grasp the screed
The Deal was just too hard to read
Said that it made his eyeballs bleed
The day that Brexit died
We started singing
Bye bye it was not Do or Die
Brexit stolen from the People, what a poke in the eye
Them good ole boys are eating pasties and pies
Saying all the liberal traitors must die
All the liberal traitors must die
So I called Leaver mobs to my place
Fury etched across my face
Said time has come to light the flames
So c’mon lads be troopers, follow me
We got to set this country free and
Tony is the devil not our friend
But when he climbed upon the stage
From us came only fits of rage
No snowball’s chance in hell
To break this Quisling’s spell
And as the cheers rang loud into the night
Their Ode to Joy sung just to spite
I saw Merkel laughing with delight
The day that Brexit died
I started singing
Bye bye it was not Do or Die
Brexit stolen from the People, what a poke in the eye
Them good ole boys are eating pasties and pies
Saying all the liberal traitors must die
All the liberal traitors must die
I met a friend who voted Leave
And asked her if she still believed
But she just shrugged and turned away
I went on down to the Poundland store
Where I’d heard the rumblings weeks before
And a man there said the bastards had to pay
In Weatherspoons the punters steamed
They stared at space, no longer dreamed
Of chains of Europe broken
Those words they all were token
And the man they trusted like a priest
Thought Nige would stay and fight at least
He’d caught the last plane for Belize
The day that Brexit died
And so we’re singing
Bye bye it was not Do or Die
Brexit stolen from the People, what a poke in the eye
Them good ole boys are eating pasties and pies
Saying all the liberal traitors must die
All the liberal traitors must die
Yeah we’re singing
Bye bye it was not Do or Die
Brexit stolen from the People, what a poke in the eye
Them good ole boys are eating pasties and pies
Saying all the liberal traitors must die
FIN - 2 -
Also, there's a parallel with the Trump issue in the header.SouthamObserver said:
The way I see it, the ERG owns a WTO deal as much as Johnson does, so politically they will be much less trouble for him if we go to No Deal - in fact, they will love him. And the ERG basically owns the Conservative party these days. Johnson is not thinking about a wider constituency than that.kinabalu said:
Do not think so. For me the politics steers to a deal. I think he can handle flak from the headbangers much easier than that from a WTO crash out.SouthamObserver said:The Johnson conundrum:
1. Politically, he cannot do a trade deal with the EU.
2. Economically, he cannot not do a trade deal with the EU.
Because Johnson is not in politics for the good of the British people or business, 1 will trump 2 every single time.
Logically, there must be quite a lot of senior Republican figures who can count, know that the game is up for Trump 2020, and have long-term ambitions of their own. Those ambitions won't be helped by being tied to the clowncar crash of Trump continuing to deny his defeat.
But it's in nobody's interest to be the first to put their head above the parapet. So they wait for someone else to have their head blown off first. So the car crash continues, because nobody stops it.
Logically, there must be quite a lot of senior Conservative figures who can recognise that the UK really isn't ready to leave transition in six weeks time and have long-term ambitions of their own. Those ambitions won't be helped by being tied to the clowncar crash which is likely to follow from changes in trade rules for which neither business or government are remotely prepared...2 -
Decent effort Kinabalu but not your best work I'm afraid. Thanks anyway.1
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An improvement on the original song, which is massively overrated sub-Dylan self-important garbage. This by contrast is very clever.kinabalu said:
In chunks maybe -Philip_Thompson said:
Definitely post it.kinabalu said:Philip_Thompson said:
Oh, and while the king was looking downkinabalu said:
A long long time ago I can still remember how the Brexit used to make him smile.isam said:
Back to form. Let’s hope he gets over Donald nice and quickDura_Ace said:I've just watched Farage's latest video on FB. He really is a phenomenal political communicator and he fucking hates Johnson and 👸 🥜🥜.
https://twitter.com/nigel_farage/status/1328250559128883200?s=21
The jester stole his thorny crown
I wrote a long verse poem to the exact tune - "Brexit Pie" - which I considered floating on here. But it IS long.
That line I quoted amused me since people here always call Boris a clown, it fits too well.
1.
A long long time ago
I can still remember how
The Brexit used to make me smile
And I knew if we had our chance
That we would get one up on France
And we could beat the Germans by a mile
But Parliament would always dither
Instead of trying to deliver
Bad news on our doorstep
We couldn’t take one more step
I’m not ashamed to say I cried
When I found that even Boris lied
And now it seems our hands are tied
The day the Brexit died
So why why was it not Do or Die?
Brexit stolen from the People, what a poke in the eye
Them good ole boys are eating pasties and pies
Singing all the liberal traitors must die
All the liberal traitors must die.2 -
The transport bit of this Webinar was the funniest bit. Despite the car parks that are causing so much upset in places like Ashford the plan is still to shut the M20 for truck parking. And need to expedite the removal of trucks from the Brock queues to allow them to actually transition through the port before the livestock on board dies.
That's according to the DfT. I know that Philip insists that none of this is going to happen, but the people who are implementing it insist it is...0 -
Philip's world and reality are very different places.RochdalePioneers said:The transport bit of this Webinar was the funniest bit. Despite the car parks that are causing so much upset in places like Ashford the plan is still to shut the M20 for truck parking. And need to expedite the removal of trucks from the Brock queues to allow them to actually transition through the port before the livestock on board dies.
That's according to the DfT. I know that Philip insists that none of this is going to happen, but the people who are implementing it insist it is...
What is going to be interesting is seeing how they collide in January as reality bites.1
