I noticed earlier the discussion of what is a game and what is a sport. This falls in the same category of a discussion on religion or politics; we are never going to agree.
Intrinsically we all really know and are arguing at the fringes, but more importantly we argue on how you define it.
I liked the definition of a sport is defined as one in which you can die. I have never heard that one before and generally it fits, but, but, but you still get into the fringes eg being hit in the head by a snooker ball or croquet ball while trying a hard hit, whereas you are not going to die when hit by a table tennis ball (although you might have a heart attack, but then you might while throwing a dart [particularly if you are 22 stone and on your eighth pint]).
So now you have to define what constitutes death by sport.
Just to make it more complicated, horse riding which is a hobby when not racing has a high death toll. How about mountaineering? Again doesn't feel like a sport. Gliding? These fit the deadly criteria. However to be a sport I think you need to be competing.
Yep, been there, done that, when I had a girlfriend with a glider. But it is comparable to horse riding - 90+ percent is not competitive (other than against yourself).
Fair point, but isn't the same true of running.
PS As and aside I think I noted a few years back that there do seem to be a disproportionate number of glider pilots or (as in my case) ex-glider pilots on PB for some reason.
Yep re running. Running in a race = sport. Running to keep fit = not sport.
I would not put myself in the category of glider pilot as she wasn't my girlfriend long enough.
Two stories:
a) Thought I had really mastered the winch takeoff when it became really easy only to have my instructor shout at me he was taking over and we were going to land in a field. Something had gone wrong with the winch and we were nowhere near 800 ft.
b) On my first tug launch where I took control I could not cope with the extra speed and consequential extra maneuverability. I attempted to overtake the tug from below, above and to either side. The pilot must have been having kittens wondering where I was.
At the risk of being labelled woke, sport is not binary but a spectrum across several levels such as competition, fitness and rules.
Bill Maher, on why the Democrats need to get over themselves, why 10m more people voted Trump than in 2016, why they lost seats in the House - and why Twitter isn’t America.
As someone who comes from the Jeremy Clarkson wing of the LDs, so gets particularly annoyed by this sort of thing and who also has no personal knowledge of the root and branch of the Democrats, I would be interested to know how much is genuine twats on wokeness and how much is distorted by their opponents.
In the UK you definitely get the idiots promoting nonsense, but also a lot of perfectly sensible stuff that is distorted in its application by people not using common sense, by not evaluating what is intended (jobs worth types), or by opponents distorting a perfectly good aim by exaggerating or distorting it to make it look politically correct.
DiT Webinar: "You will need at least 9 additional procedures" in supply chain processes from 1/1/21. Oh goody! Glad that we are cutting costs and red tape.
9 at the moment - I'm sure they haven't identified them all yet and more will be discovered...
I noticed earlier the discussion of what is a game and what is a sport. This falls in the same category of a discussion on religion or politics; we are never going to agree.
Intrinsically we all really know and are arguing at the fringes, but more importantly we argue on how you define it.
I liked the definition of a sport is defined as one in which you can die. I have never heard that one before and generally it fits, but, but, but you still get into the fringes eg being hit in the head by a snooker ball or croquet ball while trying a hard hit, whereas you are not going to die when hit by a table tennis ball (although you might have a heart attack, but then you might while throwing a dart [particularly if you are 22 stone and on your eighth pint]).
So now you have to define what constitutes death by sport.
Just to make it more complicated, horse riding which is a hobby when not racing has a high death toll. How about mountaineering? Again doesn't feel like a sport. Gliding? These fit the deadly criteria. However to be a sport I think you need to be competing.
Yep, been there, done that, when I had a girlfriend with a glider. But it is comparable to horse riding - 90+ percent is not competitive (other than against yourself).
Fair point, but isn't the same true of running.
PS As and aside I think I noted a few years back that there do seem to be a disproportionate number of glider pilots or (as in my case) ex-glider pilots on PB for some reason.
Yep re running. Running in a race = sport. Running to keep fit = not sport.
I would not put myself in the category of glider pilot as she wasn't my girlfriend long enough.
Two stories:
a) Thought I had really mastered the winch takeoff when it became really easy only to have my instructor shout at me he was taking over and we were going to land in a field. Something had gone wrong with the winch and we were nowhere near 800 ft.
b) On my first tug launch where I took control I could not cope with the extra speed and consequential extra maneuverability. I attempted to overtake the tug from below, above and to either side. The pilot must have been having kittens wondering where I was.
I will chuckle when Rashford isn't nominated for SPOTY.
Yes. Got to be innit to winnit. There's no "write in" option on the voting.
I did suggest that that could be the BBC's get out option if they didn't want to be seen to make a call on this. Revert to the old write-in model, and let the people decide.
But if they were going to do that, they'd have said so by now.
Who gets on the shortlist is interesting. This year putting Rashford on is imo tantamount to giving it to him. We'll see what they do.
O'Sullivan is interesting too. Never on the shortlist in previous years is odd. Made me wonder whether they asked him and he said no interest. If he's not on it again this year I will conclude something like that.
I noticed earlier the discussion of what is a game and what is a sport. This falls in the same category of a discussion on religion or politics; we are never going to agree.
Intrinsically we all really know and are arguing at the fringes, but more importantly we argue on how you define it.
I liked the definition of a sport is defined as one in which you can die. I have never heard that one before and generally it fits, but, but, but you still get into the fringes eg being hit in the head by a snooker ball or croquet ball while trying a hard hit, whereas you are not going to die when hit by a table tennis ball (although you might have a heart attack, but then you might while throwing a dart [particularly if you are 22 stone and on your eighth pint]).
So now you have to define what constitutes death by sport.
Just to make it more complicated, horse riding which is a hobby when not racing has a high death toll. How about mountaineering? Again doesn't feel like a sport. Gliding? These fit the deadly criteria. However to be a sport I think you need to be competing.
Surely it's just a sliding scale from needing to be athletic to not. Athletics et al are sports in their purest forms, whilst board games are games in their purest form.
In between it's a continuum. Golf is a tricky one. Very much more of a game than something like tennis, but it's moved towards the sport end of the spectrum in recent decades.
You need to be athletic to be part of a colla castellera, or to perform in certain circus roles. And they can even be done competitively. But I wouldn't call them sports.
Ballroom dancing ≠ not a sport. Figure skating = a sport.
How does that work?
Ballroom dancing doesn't need the Olympics, we have Strictly already which is far better and also on every year!
I think even if Ballroom and Latin was in the Olympics the likes of Anton du Beke would prioritize Strictly. It's like the World Cup for those guys.
I noticed earlier the discussion of what is a game and what is a sport. This falls in the same category of a discussion on religion or politics; we are never going to agree.
Intrinsically we all really know and are arguing at the fringes, but more importantly we argue on how you define it.
I liked the definition of a sport is defined as one in which you can die. I have never heard that one before and generally it fits, but, but, but you still get into the fringes eg being hit in the head by a snooker ball or croquet ball while trying a hard hit, whereas you are not going to die when hit by a table tennis ball (although you might have a heart attack, but then you might while throwing a dart [particularly if you are 22 stone and on your eighth pint]).
So now you have to define what constitutes death by sport.
Just to make it more complicated, horse riding which is a hobby when not racing has a high death toll. How about mountaineering? Again doesn't feel like a sport. Gliding? These fit the deadly criteria. However to be a sport I think you need to be competing.
Yep, been there, done that, when I had a girlfriend with a glider. But it is comparable to horse riding - 90+ percent is not competitive (other than against yourself).
Fair point, but isn't the same true of running.
PS As and aside I think I noted a few years back that there do seem to be a disproportionate number of glider pilots or (as in my case) ex-glider pilots on PB for some reason.
Yep re running. Running in a race = sport. Running to keep fit = not sport.
I would not put myself in the category of glider pilot as she wasn't my girlfriend long enough.
Two stories:
a) Thought I had really mastered the winch takeoff when it became really easy only to have my instructor shout at me he was taking over and we were going to land in a field. Something had gone wrong with the winch and we were nowhere near 800 ft.
b) On my first tug launch where I took control I could not cope with the extra speed and consequential extra maneuverability. I attempted to overtake the tug from below, above and to either side. The pilot must have been having kittens wondering where I was.
At the risk of being labelled woke, sport is not binary but a spectrum across several levels such as competition, fitness and rules.
Yep
As per my first post. I think we will all agree on 90+% of it as obvious and the rest is woolly, even within some activities eg for me driving down the road to the shops is not a sport obviously; F1 is. Rallying (Sport or hobby?) guess it might be to the degree it is competitive and people will disagree.
What a waste of political energy. All his communicative talents are visible in the first part of video, and you even begin to see the faint outlines of a full human being ; and then everything shifts on its axis ..
" I'm going to say something, I hope it isn't too much, and won't shock you, for you on a Sunday afternoon ladies and gentlemen, but it's about .. Immigration."
What a shocking, brave rogue you are, Nige ! The end as he winds up with all the gradually rising intonations, angry and calculated pauses, is textbook sub-fascist oratory, in the 21st century version - an anglicised US talk radio shockjock who loves his own sense of "edge".
I see BJ is giving the 'fit as a butcher's dog' shite another run out. It's a mystery why people think the hackneyed cliché monger is some sort of talented wordsmith.
I was pondering this morning who might write his memoirs.
If he does it himself they will be unreadable
Well, all he needs is an ouija board and P. G. Wodehouse's there to do the job.
While I utterly detest Farage and wouldn't ever vote for him, I can understand why people like him, which isn't the case with Johnson who is so obviously a fake.
Used to really rate him but his foray into the bowels of Trump has soiled him irrevocably in my eyes. There's no coming back from that.
Anybody who uses a space before an exclamation mark or a question mark deserves to be incarcerated for a lot longer than 2 weeks. I mean, we all knew the man was a monster, but even I didn't realise he was this bad.
He's always been a monster in my eyes for years when he persistently failed to use the Oxford Comma in his articles.
Nobody at my university uses the Oxford Comma. It's infuriating.
I noticed earlier the discussion of what is a game and what is a sport. This falls in the same category of a discussion on religion or politics; we are never going to agree.
Intrinsically we all really know and are arguing at the fringes, but more importantly we argue on how you define it.
I liked the definition of a sport is defined as one in which you can die. I have never heard that one before and generally it fits, but, but, but you still get into the fringes eg being hit in the head by a snooker ball or croquet ball while trying a hard hit, whereas you are not going to die when hit by a table tennis ball (although you might have a heart attack, but then you might while throwing a dart [particularly if you are 22 stone and on your eighth pint]).
So now you have to define what constitutes death by sport.
Just to make it more complicated, horse riding which is a hobby when not racing has a high death toll. How about mountaineering? Again doesn't feel like a sport. Gliding? These fit the deadly criteria. However to be a sport I think you need to be competing.
Surely it's just a sliding scale from needing to be athletic to not. Athletics et al are sports in their purest forms, whilst board games are games in their purest form.
In between it's a continuum. Golf is a tricky one. Very much more of a game than something like tennis, but it's moved towards the sport end of the spectrum in recent decades.
You need to be athletic to be part of a colla castellera, or to perform in certain circus roles. And they can even be done competitively. But I wouldn't call them sports.
Ballroom dancing ≠ not a sport. Figure skating = a sport.
How does that work?
Ballroom dancing doesn't need the Olympics, we have Strictly already which is far better and also on every year!
I think even if Ballroom and Latin was in the Olympics the likes of Anton du Beke would prioritize Strictly. It's like the World Cup for those guys.
Basketball players prioritise the NBA over the Olympics, does that make it a non sport?
Strictly is clearly different - for the elite dancer it is more coaching than dancing.
So all the fish that this whole business is about, if you believe the Tories, will end up not being caught by anyone at all?
Its a shocker. Someone on Twitter is pointing out that one of the signatories of the "we're fucked" letter was, back in 2016, openly mocking the "project fear" realities that he is now signing a letter against.
I don't blame the fishermen - the CFP didn't work for them. What perhaps they weren't considering was that having been freed from the CFP the government would also actively free them from their export market.
Well, some fish processorts at least hav ebeen fretting all year (e.g. this, which I have posted before, from the wee port whence I get my fish: at least at present ...)
I see BJ is giving the 'fit as a butcher's dog' shite another run out. It's a mystery why people think the hackneyed cliché monger is some sort of talented wordsmith.
It's a minor gift indeed but the sad thing is that it's probably his biggest one.
While I utterly detest Farage and wouldn't ever vote for him, I can understand why people like him, which isn't the case with Johnson who is so obviously a fake.
Used to really rate him but his foray into the bowels of Trump has soiled him irrevocably in my eyes. There's no coming back from that.
You probably need to work on the difference between:
1. An effective politician; and 2. A politician you don't agree with.
Nige is both of course and the latter doesn't alter the former.
Completely off topic, does anyone know why BT cannot stop call number spoofing?
Just getting another plague of scam/phishing calls on our landline. Bloody irritating!
We get the Amazon Prime scam call on a regular basis.
So do we, and a damn nuisance they are. What's even more infuriating is that there isn't a human at the other end, to whom you can be creatively rude.
It is the best thing with those 'We understand you were in a car accident in the last five years'
I like stringing them along for a few minutes, tell them about an accident for about 5 minutes then at the end say 'Oh I was really drunk at the time, and high on cocaine at the time, will I still be able to get compensation?'
Bill Maher, on why the Democrats need to get over themselves, why 10m more people voted Trump than in 2016, why they lost seats in the House - and why Twitter isn’t America.
As someone who comes from the Jeremy Clarkson wing of the LDs, so gets particularly annoyed by this sort of thing and who also has no personal knowledge of the root and branch of the Democrats, I would be interested to know how much is genuine twats on wokeness and how much is distorted by their opponents.
In the UK you definitely get the idiots promoting nonsense, but also a lot of perfectly sensible stuff that is distorted in its application by people not using common sense, by not evaluating what is intended (jobs worth types), or by opponents distorting a perfectly good aim by exaggerating or distorting it to make it look politically correct.
especially as Biden was not just an "old man trying to show support in an old man way", he was Vice-President.
I agree completely.
The first is a harmless joke and the world would be a lot sadder without these jokes. Nobody should take offence.
The second is not so. I do find him a bit too much touchy feely for my liking. There are lots of these. Some harmless, like him kissing the head of his granddaughter at the funeral of her father. Others however make me feel a bit uncomfortable, but then I am not a touchy feely person. Having read the article you linked I agree with you.
RE SPOTY...I notice in recent weeks the BBC pumping up Lewis Hamilton, not only winning again in F1, equal with Schumacher for titles, but all his social justice and eco campaigning. Ticks a lot of BBC boxes and conspiectous absence of talk about his tax dodging in their reporting of his inspiration acts.
While I utterly detest Farage and wouldn't ever vote for him, I can understand why people like him, which isn't the case with Johnson who is so obviously a fake.
Used to really rate him but his foray into the bowels of Trump has soiled him irrevocably in my eyes. There's no coming back from that.
You probably need to work on the difference between:
1. An effective politician; and 2. A politician you don't agree with.
Nige is both of course and the latter doesn't alter the former.
But that's my point. I have always hated his politics but I used to rate him highly as a politician. Reason I don't so much now is that he has made himself look a total pillock with his softhead Trumpery. Still, he'll always have 23/6/16. That was a higher peak than most achieve.
Completely off topic, does anyone know why BT cannot stop call number spoofing?
Just getting another plague of scam/phishing calls on our landline. Bloody irritating!
We get the Amazon Prime scam call on a regular basis.
So do we, and a damn nuisance they are. What's even more infuriating is that there isn't a human at the other end, to whom you can be creatively rude.
It is the best thing with those 'We understand you were in a car accident in the last five years'
I like stringing them along for a few minutes, tell them about an accident for about 5 minutes then at the end say 'Oh I was really drunk at the time, and high on cocaine at the time, will I still be able to get compensation?'
The 'Microsoft Technical Department' calls of a few years ago were good for that. Ten minutes of 'doing' whatever they wanted, and then say something like 'Apple doesn't work like that.'
While I utterly detest Farage and wouldn't ever vote for him, I can understand why people like him, which isn't the case with Johnson who is so obviously a fake.
Used to really rate him but his foray into the bowels of Trump has soiled him irrevocably in my eyes. There's no coming back from that.
Absolutely. For US Republican politicians, there is at least the excuse that they are compromised by Trump's complete takeover of the Republican Party and face a choice between going along with his attempt to subvert democracy or sacrificing their own politican ambitions. Farage is free of all that yet still indulges and reinforces Trump's fantasies.
Any claim that Farage had to be a politician that respected democratic norms has disappeared. He's turning into the modern equivalent of Oswald Mosley.
RE SPOTY...I notice in recent weeks the BBC pumping up Lewis Hamilton, not only winning again in F1, equal with Schumacher for titles, but all his social justice and eco campaigning. Ticks a lot of BBC boxes and conspiectous absence of talk about his tax dodging in their reporting of his inspiration acts.
Be even better if he wasn't a tax-exile in Monaco (?) though.
DiT Webinar: Now they're talking about the importance of the Goods Vehicle Movement Service (which doesn't yet exist). The joy of this is that for the 6 months phased onboarding of different types of goods, they will be onboarded onto legacy systems which then get replaced by GVMS from July.
That sounds like a 2nd chaotic event 6 months after the first! For imports it will be *great*. Before you import or export you need to generate a Goods Movement Reference that has all of the paperwork for each type of goods onboard (an awful lot of paperwork for food mixed loads...). Before arrival the border the GMR will have been checked so that the driver knows if the paperwork is ok to be checked at the Border Control Port or if the goods will be "temporarily" lodged for inspection. Note that drivers won't know if the load passes until after they have set off!
Which explains the need for the Kent Access Permit. You can't send trucks off towards the channel not knowing if they will pass or not - and the system is designed to only decide that after they set off. The KAP at least ensures that the paperwork required has been gathered and submitted into a GMR. Not that it will actually be valid and acceptable for VAT / Excise purposes before it is allowed to leave...
This is an interesting thought, but do we think many GOP voters will still think in January that Trump might hold on? Surely by then the vast majority will either accept he lost or think he was cheated out of a second term, the latter might even raise their turnout likelihood.
With regret I'm leaning towards just backing the GOP in both seats.
I noticed earlier the discussion of what is a game and what is a sport. This falls in the same category of a discussion on religion or politics; we are never going to agree.
Intrinsically we all really know and are arguing at the fringes, but more importantly we argue on how you define it.
I liked the definition of a sport is defined as one in which you can die. I have never heard that one before and generally it fits, but, but, but you still get into the fringes eg being hit in the head by a snooker ball or croquet ball while trying a hard hit, whereas you are not going to die when hit by a table tennis ball (although you might have a heart attack, but then you might while throwing a dart [particularly if you are 22 stone and on your eighth pint]).
So now you have to define what constitutes death by sport.
Just to make it more complicated, horse riding which is a hobby when not racing has a high death toll. How about mountaineering? Again doesn't feel like a sport. Gliding? These fit the deadly criteria. However to be a sport I think you need to be competing.
Yep, been there, done that, when I had a girlfriend with a glider. But it is comparable to horse riding - 90+ percent is not competitive (other than against yourself).
Fair point, but isn't the same true of running.
PS As and aside I think I noted a few years back that there do seem to be a disproportionate number of glider pilots or (as in my case) ex-glider pilots on PB for some reason.
Yep re running. Running in a race = sport. Running to keep fit = not sport.
I would not put myself in the category of glider pilot as she wasn't my girlfriend long enough.
Two stories:
a) Thought I had really mastered the winch takeoff when it became really easy only to have my instructor shout at me he was taking over and we were going to land in a field. Something had gone wrong with the winch and we were nowhere near 800 ft.
b) On my first tug launch where I took control I could not cope with the extra speed and consequential extra maneuverability. I attempted to overtake the tug from below, above and to either side. The pilot must have been having kittens wondering where I was.
I often pondered what the response would be if someone tried to invent gliding today.
First meeting with the health and safety executive: “So, how will this engineless plane get up into the air?”
“Well, we’ve got a couple of ideas - we could use a rope to tie it to the back of a powered aeroplane and take off with them connected together, or we could get a piece of steel cable a mile long, and use a big winch to wind it in at 60mph while the guy in the glider points it at the sky...”
A long long time ago I can still remember how the Brexit used to make him smile.
I really don't understand why Farage doesn't retire (or move on to a second career, back into trading or just as a media personality or something). He's getting basically everything he ever wanted yet he doesn't seem to feel like a success.
The Johnson conundrum: 1. Politically, he cannot do a trade deal with the EU. 2. Economically, he cannot not do a trade deal with the EU. Because Johnson is not in politics for the good of the British people or business, 1 will trump 2 every single time.
I noticed earlier the discussion of what is a game and what is a sport. This falls in the same category of a discussion on religion or politics; we are never going to agree.
Intrinsically we all really know and are arguing at the fringes, but more importantly we argue on how you define it.
I liked the definition of a sport is defined as one in which you can die. I have never heard that one before and generally it fits, but, but, but you still get into the fringes eg being hit in the head by a snooker ball or croquet ball while trying a hard hit, whereas you are not going to die when hit by a table tennis ball (although you might have a heart attack, but then you might while throwing a dart [particularly if you are 22 stone and on your eighth pint]).
So now you have to define what constitutes death by sport.
Just to make it more complicated, horse riding which is a hobby when not racing has a high death toll. How about mountaineering? Again doesn't feel like a sport. Gliding? These fit the deadly criteria. However to be a sport I think you need to be competing.
Yep, been there, done that, when I had a girlfriend with a glider. But it is comparable to horse riding - 90+ percent is not competitive (other than against yourself).
Fair point, but isn't the same true of running.
PS As and aside I think I noted a few years back that there do seem to be a disproportionate number of glider pilots or (as in my case) ex-glider pilots on PB for some reason.
Yep re running. Running in a race = sport. Running to keep fit = not sport.
I would not put myself in the category of glider pilot as she wasn't my girlfriend long enough.
Two stories:
a) Thought I had really mastered the winch takeoff when it became really easy only to have my instructor shout at me he was taking over and we were going to land in a field. Something had gone wrong with the winch and we were nowhere near 800 ft.
b) On my first tug launch where I took control I could not cope with the extra speed and consequential extra maneuverability. I attempted to overtake the tug from below, above and to either side. The pilot must have been having kittens wondering where I was.
I always pondered what the response would be if someone tried to invent gliding today.
First meeting with the health and safety executive: “So, how will this engineless plane get up into the air?”
“Well, we’ve got a couple of ideas - we could use a rope to tie it to the back of a powered aeroplane and take off with them connected together, or we could get a piece of steel cable a mile long, and use a big winch to wind it in at 60mph while the guy in the glider points it at the sky...”
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You forgot the elastic band. My wife was very taken with seeing it in action, on the powered (but barely so) English Electric Wren at Old Warden some years back.
While I utterly detest Farage and wouldn't ever vote for him, I can understand why people like him, which isn't the case with Johnson who is so obviously a fake.
Used to really rate him but his foray into the bowels of Trump has soiled him irrevocably in my eyes. There's no coming back from that.
You probably need to work on the difference between:
1. An effective politician; and 2. A politician you don't agree with.
Nige is both of course and the latter doesn't alter the former.
A politician who is loathed by 3/4 of the population even if loved by the other 1/4 can never be really successful. Even Trump managed to fire up enough opponents to see him off. People like Farage need a fascist revival before they 'll become more than a joke.
DiT Webinar: Now they're talking about stuff imported from RoW into the UK via Zeebrugge / Rotterdam. Have confirmed that before this stuff leaves NL full import paperwork will need to be done. Which will of course make it all cheaper than it is now and definitely cheaper than everyone in the EU will get it with their lack of additional paperwork & costs.
This is an interesting thought, but do we think many GOP voters will still think in January that Trump might hold on? Surely by then the vast majority will either accept he lost or think he was cheated out of a second term, the latter might even raise their turnout likelihood.
With regret I'm leaning towards just backing the GOP in both seats.
I'm backing the GOP for different reasons.
Once the electoral college meets and confirms Biden as the winner the dynamic will change in Georgia.
The dynamic will be stop the Dems from controlling all three of the White House, House, and Senate, that'll get GOPers in Georgia out and voting.
RE SPOTY...I notice in recent weeks the BBC pumping up Lewis Hamilton, not only winning again in F1, equal with Schumacher for titles, but all his social justice and eco campaigning. Ticks a lot of BBC boxes and conspiectous absence of talk about his tax dodging in their reporting of his inspiration acts.
Be even better if he wasn't a tax-exile in Monaco (?) though.
We don't talk about that now, nor his 27 gas guzzling cars or his jetting all over the world to sail about on private yachts....
Anybody who uses a space before an exclamation mark or a question mark deserves to be incarcerated for a lot longer than 2 weeks. I mean, we all knew the man was a monster, but even I didn't realise he was this bad.
He's always been a monster in my eyes for years when he persistently failed to use the Oxford Comma in his articles.
At least he doesn't use the Brexit apostrophe. I still see lot's of people using that in many place's but Boris know's its not required.
Nice, it should henceforth be referred to as the 'Brexit Apostrophe'.
Completely off topic, does anyone know why BT cannot stop call number spoofing?
Just getting another plague of scam/phishing calls on our landline. Bloody irritating!
We get the Amazon Prime scam call on a regular basis.
So do we, and a damn nuisance they are. What's even more infuriating is that there isn't a human at the other end, to whom you can be creatively rude.
It is the best thing with those 'We understand you were in a car accident in the last five years'
I like stringing them along for a few minutes, tell them about an accident for about 5 minutes then at the end say 'Oh I was really drunk at the time, and high on cocaine at the time, will I still be able to get compensation?'
The 'Microsoft Technical Department' calls of a few years ago were good for that. Ten minutes of 'doing' whatever they wanted, and then say something like 'Apple doesn't work like that.'
They used to call my office every day - which sadly for them, was the support team for a software company.
Endless hours of fun, we kept a book on who could keep them talking for the longest.
The Johnson conundrum: 1. Politically, he cannot do a trade deal with the EU. 2. Economically, he cannot not do a trade deal with the EU. Because Johnson is not in politics for the good of the British people or business, 1 will trump 2 every single time.
I noticed earlier the discussion of what is a game and what is a sport. This falls in the same category of a discussion on religion or politics; we are never going to agree.
Intrinsically we all really know and are arguing at the fringes, but more importantly we argue on how you define it.
I liked the definition of a sport is defined as one in which you can die. I have never heard that one before and generally it fits, but, but, but you still get into the fringes eg being hit in the head by a snooker ball or croquet ball while trying a hard hit, whereas you are not going to die when hit by a table tennis ball (although you might have a heart attack, but then you might while throwing a dart [particularly if you are 22 stone and on your eighth pint]).
So now you have to define what constitutes death by sport.
Just to make it more complicated, horse riding which is a hobby when not racing has a high death toll. How about mountaineering? Again doesn't feel like a sport. Gliding? These fit the deadly criteria. However to be a sport I think you need to be competing.
Yep, been there, done that, when I had a girlfriend with a glider. But it is comparable to horse riding - 90+ percent is not competitive (other than against yourself).
Fair point, but isn't the same true of running.
PS As and aside I think I noted a few years back that there do seem to be a disproportionate number of glider pilots or (as in my case) ex-glider pilots on PB for some reason.
Yep re running. Running in a race = sport. Running to keep fit = not sport.
I would not put myself in the category of glider pilot as she wasn't my girlfriend long enough.
Two stories:
a) Thought I had really mastered the winch takeoff when it became really easy only to have my instructor shout at me he was taking over and we were going to land in a field. Something had gone wrong with the winch and we were nowhere near 800 ft.
b) On my first tug launch where I took control I could not cope with the extra speed and consequential extra maneuverability. I attempted to overtake the tug from below, above and to either side. The pilot must have been having kittens wondering where I was.
I often pondered what the response would be if someone tried to invent gliding today.
First meeting with the health and safety executive: “So, how will this engineless plane get up into the air?”
“Well, we’ve got a couple of ideas - we could use a rope to tie it to the back of a powered aeroplane and take off with them connected together, or we could get a piece of steel cable a mile long, and use a big winch to wind it in at 60mph while the guy in the glider points it at the sky...”
“ “
Explaining the powered glider would also be interesting - 'You've got an engine, but you propose to turn it off?'
King Cole, plenty of F1 drivers choose to take that route.
This is true, but with respect I don't see how it defends his actions. The fact is Hamilton is a grown man who is perfectly capable of deciding not to do what others do, and I think judging him on his choices is entirely fair. Some will have a different view, but I think tax exiles aren't right to be SPOTY because it shows a selfishness which is at odds with what the prize is meant to reward.
The Johnson conundrum: 1. Politically, he cannot do a trade deal with the EU. 2. Economically, he cannot not do a trade deal with the EU. Because Johnson is not in politics for the good of the British people or business, 1 will trump 2 every single time.
Is there any app that can deal with that situation in a satisfactory manner?
Ignoring the fact that this is an admission that the courts aren't Covid-19 compliant can we start turning off the app in other busy places like restaurants?
Wouldn't it be better to know that you've been in contact with someone with Covid-19 lest you spread it yourself?
While I utterly detest Farage and wouldn't ever vote for him, I can understand why people like him, which isn't the case with Johnson who is so obviously a fake.
Used to really rate him but his foray into the bowels of Trump has soiled him irrevocably in my eyes. There's no coming back from that.
You probably need to work on the difference between:
1. An effective politician; and 2. A politician you don't agree with.
Nige is both of course and the latter doesn't alter the former.
But that's my point. I have always hated his politics but I used to rate him highly as a politician. Reason I don't so much now is that he has made himself look a total pillock with his softhead Trumpery. Still, he'll always have 23/6/16. That was a higher peak than most achieve.
Yes that is a fair point. Although it is perfectly acceptable to be a Trump supporter and also an effective politician albeit Trump lost so not so effective winner-backing-wise.
Bill Maher, on why the Democrats need to get over themselves, why 10m more people voted Trump than in 2016, why they lost seats in the House - and why Twitter isn’t America.
As someone who comes from the Jeremy Clarkson wing of the LDs, so gets particularly annoyed by this sort of thing and who also has no personal knowledge of the root and branch of the Democrats, I would be interested to know how much is genuine twats on wokeness and how much is distorted by their opponents.
In the UK you definitely get the idiots promoting nonsense, but also a lot of perfectly sensible stuff that is distorted in its application by people not using common sense, by not evaluating what is intended (jobs worth types), or by opponents distorting a perfectly good aim by exaggerating or distorting it to make it look politically correct.
especially as Biden was not just an "old man trying to show support in an old man way", he was Vice-President.
I agree completely.
The first is a harmless joke and the world would be a lot sadder without these jokes. Nobody should take offence.
The second is not so. I do find him a bit too much touchy feely for my liking. There are lots of these. Some harmless, like him kissing the head of his granddaughter at the funeral of her father. Others however make me feel a bit uncomfortable, but then I am not a touchy feely person. Having read the article you linked I agree with you.
Yes, I don't really know enough about the accusations of Biden being creepy to make a judgment - I'd like to think he's innocent! But I find Maher saying that a woman saying she didn't like the way a powerful man touched her and kissed her (and smelt her hair) should just get used to it or stay at home, actually quite creepy in itself.
The Johnson conundrum: 1. Politically, he cannot do a trade deal with the EU. 2. Economically, he cannot not do a trade deal with the EU. Because Johnson is not in politics for the good of the British people or business, 1 will trump 2 every single time.
Do not think so. For me the politics steers to a deal. I think he can handle flak from the headbangers much easier than that from a WTO crash out.
Completely off topic, does anyone know why BT cannot stop call number spoofing?
Just getting another plague of scam/phishing calls on our landline. Bloody irritating!
We get the Amazon Prime scam call on a regular basis.
So do we, and a damn nuisance they are. What's even more infuriating is that there isn't a human at the other end, to whom you can be creatively rude.
It is the best thing with those 'We understand you were in a car accident in the last five years'
I like stringing them along for a few minutes, tell them about an accident for about 5 minutes then at the end say 'Oh I was really drunk at the time, and high on cocaine at the time, will I still be able to get compensation?'
When they say am I speaking to Mr Topping, I don't answer but immediately ask "so how much will I get"? And push them to give me a figure and then when they eventually name one push them on why so low.
I know - it's their job so not fair to abuse them as they are paid to do it but one must take one's amusements where one can.
A long long time ago I can still remember how the Brexit used to make him smile.
I really don't understand why Farage doesn't retire (or move on to a second career, back into trading or just as a media personality or something). He's getting basically everything he ever wanted yet he doesn't seem to feel like a success.
The Johnson conundrum: 1. Politically, he cannot do a trade deal with the EU. 2. Economically, he cannot not do a trade deal with the EU. Because Johnson is not in politics for the good of the British people or business, 1 will trump 2 every single time.
1 leads to a political crisis, but so does 2...
1 leads to an immediate political crisis, 2 leads to the long-term destruction of the Conservative Party and the total evisceration of what little is left of Boris Johnson's reputation (not to mention spectacular damage to the UK). So logically he should choose 1, but his entire life has been based on going for the short-term and letting the long-term go hang. Hard to say which it will be this time.
Completely off topic, does anyone know why BT cannot stop call number spoofing?
Just getting another plague of scam/phishing calls on our landline. Bloody irritating!
We get the Amazon Prime scam call on a regular basis.
So do we, and a damn nuisance they are. What's even more infuriating is that there isn't a human at the other end, to whom you can be creatively rude.
It is the best thing with those 'We understand you were in a car accident in the last five years'
I like stringing them along for a few minutes, tell them about an accident for about 5 minutes then at the end say 'Oh I was really drunk at the time, and high on cocaine at the time, will I still be able to get compensation?'
The 'Microsoft Technical Department' calls of a few years ago were good for that. Ten minutes of 'doing' whatever they wanted, and then say something like 'Apple doesn't work like that.'
They used to call my office every day - which sadly for them, was the support team for a software company.
Endless hours of fun, we kept a book on who could keep them talking for the longest.
A few techniques I have tried is putting them on hold listening to music and getting them to repeatedly call back because I was too busy, but I was really interested in what they were telling me.
The Johnson conundrum: 1. Politically, he cannot do a trade deal with the EU. 2. Economically, he cannot not do a trade deal with the EU. Because Johnson is not in politics for the good of the British people or business, 1 will trump 2 every single time.
1 leads to a political crisis, but so does 2...
The difference is that Option 1 leads to a definite political crisis now. Option 2 leads to a political crisis at some point in the future, and (if your spectacles are rose-tinted enough) gives you the option to claim that there won't be an economic problem at all.
Most governments would be willing to balance the risk of a crisis now against a potentially worse one later. But this is a Boris Johnson government, and thinking beyond the end of his nose isn't something he is renowned for.
I often pondered what the response would be if someone tried to invent gliding today.
First meeting with the health and safety executive: “So, how will this engineless plane get up into the air?”
“Well, we’ve got a couple of ideas - we could use a rope to tie it to the back of a powered aeroplane and take off with them connected together, or we could get a piece of steel cable a mile long, and use a big winch to wind it in at 60mph while the guy in the glider points it at the sky...”
“ “
The 38 Sea Harrier FRS1 that were rebuilt into FA2s occasionally became involuntary gliders due to gash electrical systems. The 18 'new builds' were good and much prized by those that didn't fancy swimming back to the carrier.
DiT Webinar: Food labelling is changing in GB only. In NI the EU labelling rules will be required. So to sell the same food in the same shops in the same country two separate labels will be needed (albeit from Sept22). Which means two separate SKUs, two separate pallet spaces, two separate shipping routes etc etc for what is currently all one.
So that's definitely going to make things cheaper for consumers. Or - make things cheaper and make NI effectively an extension of the ROI marketplace. As opposed to the other way round as so often is the case at the moment in grocery.
Completely off topic, does anyone know why BT cannot stop call number spoofing?
Just getting another plague of scam/phishing calls on our landline. Bloody irritating!
We get the Amazon Prime scam call on a regular basis.
So do we, and a damn nuisance they are. What's even more infuriating is that there isn't a human at the other end, to whom you can be creatively rude.
It is the best thing with those 'We understand you were in a car accident in the last five years'
I like stringing them along for a few minutes, tell them about an accident for about 5 minutes then at the end say 'Oh I was really drunk at the time, and high on cocaine at the time, will I still be able to get compensation?'
The 'Microsoft Technical Department' calls of a few years ago were good for that. Ten minutes of 'doing' whatever they wanted, and then say something like 'Apple doesn't work like that.'
The 'BT Technical Department' seemed to be pretty impervious to 'This isn't a BT line'!
While I utterly detest Farage and wouldn't ever vote for him, I can understand why people like him, which isn't the case with Johnson who is so obviously a fake.
Used to really rate him but his foray into the bowels of Trump has soiled him irrevocably in my eyes. There's no coming back from that.
You probably need to work on the difference between:
1. An effective politician; and 2. A politician you don't agree with.
Nige is both of course and the latter doesn't alter the former.
A politician who is loathed by 3/4 of the population even if loved by the other 1/4 can never be really successful. Even Trump managed to fire up enough opponents to see him off. People like Farage need a fascist revival before they 'll become more than a joke.
There has been a fascist revival. Just because they don't wear silly uniforms (well not in public anyway) and talk about liquidating swathes of people they don't like doesn't mean that they are not very real and very dangerous. Brexit is the manifestation of 21st century fascism; divisive and irrational, it has fed off all the same fears and loathing that fascism has always sought to exploit. Johnson is clearly not a fascist, a populist egotist perhaps, but he has been a very useful idiot for the likes of Farage and Putin, both of whom most definitely are.
The Johnson conundrum: 1. Politically, he cannot do a trade deal with the EU. 2. Economically, he cannot not do a trade deal with the EU. Because Johnson is not in politics for the good of the British people or business, 1 will trump 2 every single time.
1 leads to a political crisis, but so does 2...
1 leads to an immediate political crisis, 2 leads to the long-term destruction of the Conservative Party and the total evisceration of what little is left of Boris Johnson's reputation (not to mention spectacular damage to the UK). So logically he should choose 1, but his entire life has been based on going for the short-term and letting the long-term go hang. Hard to say which it will be this time.
2 is no big deal. Greatly, greatly exaggerated.
Though we will never find out since it's unlikely to happen all the headless chicken screaming here that it'll be the end of the world is no different to the same pre-Referendum. Same old tired story.
The Johnson conundrum: 1. Politically, he cannot do a trade deal with the EU. 2. Economically, he cannot not do a trade deal with the EU. Because Johnson is not in politics for the good of the British people or business, 1 will trump 2 every single time.
1 leads to a political crisis, but so does 2...
1 leads to an immediate political crisis, 2 leads to the long-term destruction of the Conservative Party and the total evisceration of what little is left of Boris Johnson's reputation (not to mention spectacular damage to the UK). So logically he should choose 1, but his entire life has been based on going for the short-term and letting the long-term go hang. Hard to say which it will be this time.
2 is no big deal. Greatly, greatly exaggerated.
Though we will never find out since it's unlikely to happen all the headless chicken screaming here that it'll be the end of the world is no different to the same pre-Referendum. Same old tired story.
24/7 keyboard warrior with no apparent experience or understanding of business economics says it will all be fine. I feel greatly reassured.
The Johnson conundrum: 1. Politically, he cannot do a trade deal with the EU. 2. Economically, he cannot not do a trade deal with the EU. Because Johnson is not in politics for the good of the British people or business, 1 will trump 2 every single time.
Do not think so. For me the politics steers to a deal. I think he can handle flak from the headbangers much easier than that from a WTO crash out.
The way I see it, the ERG owns a WTO deal as much as Johnson does, so politically they will be much less trouble for him if we go to No Deal - in fact, they will love him. And the ERG basically owns the Conservative party these days. Johnson is not thinking about a wider constituency than that.
Bill Maher, on why the Democrats need to get over themselves, why 10m more people voted Trump than in 2016, why they lost seats in the House - and why Twitter isn’t America.
Very good. Thanks for posting. If I had a vote I`d struggle to vote Dem at the moment - unless it was to unseat a giant orange turd like Trump. That pretty much sums up the 2020 election.
Maher has been saying the same thing about ‘cancel culture’ and freedom of speech for years now, he’s a staunch Democrat but sees them talking to themselves and appealing to a small but vocal minority on Twitter.
Comedians in general have been good on this stuff, see also Dave Chapelle. They were among the first people to realise the power of Trump, as they toured the small towns of the country and saw a very different world to that in NY and CA.
The analysis of what just happened says that people voted for not-Trump, but didn’t vote positively for Democrats elsewhere.
Maher appears to be doing his own little bit of cancelling when he ridicules the term Latinx. While it's true that its use in Hispanic communities is relatively rare, it's a term of self-identification for some. https://www.history.com/news/hispanic-latino-latinx-chicano-background
I take the view that you call people what they want to be called. No doubt the Democrats will come round to that in time. It's a principle that seems quite antipathetic to Trump's version of Republicanism.
It wasn’t Maher that said don’t use the term, it was the congressman.
What Maher is getting at is the identity politics, and lazy assumptions that all people who look the same think the same.
If 10% of South Americans in the USA like the use of a particular term, 20% are ambivalent about it, but 70% hate it and find it offensive or patronising, then it’s probably not a good idea to keep using it in public - even if everyone you know is in the 10% group.
Like I said, call people what they want to be called. If that means addressing different communities on their own terms, rather than assuming that Latino Americans are a monolithic group, so much the better.
While I utterly detest Farage and wouldn't ever vote for him, I can understand why people like him, which isn't the case with Johnson who is so obviously a fake.
Used to really rate him but his foray into the bowels of Trump has soiled him irrevocably in my eyes. There's no coming back from that.
You probably need to work on the difference between:
1. An effective politician; and 2. A politician you don't agree with.
Nige is both of course and the latter doesn't alter the former.
A politician who is loathed by 3/4 of the population even if loved by the other 1/4 can never be really successful. Even Trump managed to fire up enough opponents to see him off. People like Farage need a fascist revival before they 'll become more than a joke.
There has been a fascist revival. Just because they don't wear silly uniforms (well not in public anyway) and talk about liquidating swathes of people they don't like doesn't mean that they are not very real and very dangerous. Brexit is the manifestation of 21st century fascism; divisive and irrational, it has fed off all the same fears and loathing that fascism has always sought to exploit. Johnson is clearly not a fascist, a populist egotist perhaps, but he has been a very useful idiot for the likes of Farage and Putin, both of whom most definitely are.
I don't see any evidence of Farage being a fascist. Putin yes, Johnson obviously no. Brexit is also not fascist. Even though the fascists were keen supports of Brexit, they comprise a tiny minority of its supporters. The worst you can say for the majority of Brexit campaigners is that they failed to properly repudiate the fascists in their wings. That alone is damning enough, but it's not enough to call them fascists themselves.
This is an interesting thought, but do we think many GOP voters will still think in January that Trump might hold on? Surely by then the vast majority will either accept he lost or think he was cheated out of a second term, the latter might even raise their turnout likelihood.
With regret I'm leaning towards just backing the GOP in both seats.
I'm backing the GOP for different reasons.
Once the electoral college meets and confirms Biden as the winner the dynamic will change in Georgia.
The dynamic will be stop the Dems from controlling all three of the White House, House, and Senate, that'll get GOPers in Georgia out and voting.
It will be interesting as the Dems actually have a very good ground game in Georgia now. So I think they will keep up momentum and we might see 2 very very tight races, as being in control of all 3 levels as a reason to vote could energise both sides to turn up.
I think this is a very good point by Mike and a great tip with SMarkets.
I'm on Ossoff at 2/1 with Betfair Sportsbook.
Speaking of Betfair, they are still not settling up on Biden 300-329 ECVs. I think this is really poor and I have complained. What with this and the kind of shenanigans that Mike highlights I am not impressed with them right now.
Saying the same thing every morning won’t make Betfair settle early. Remember they’re a broker not a bookmaker, it’s not their money they’ll be paying out. It’ll be settled when the results are final.
When they do finally pay out, put everything of Lewis Hamilton for the Sports Personality award, he’s 1.85 on Betfair at the moment, but who else has any significant sporting achievements this year?
All this talk of wokery....can anyone in good conscience be happy making money out of an aggressive tax avoider who earns $54 million a year?
Pretty sure he pays more UK tax than you (and probably any of us) do, Roger.
SPOTY - If we are talking personality it's surely Rashford but if sport it absolutely 100% has to be Hamilton surely?
Sporting wise has Rashford achieved anything at all this year?
If it does at it is going to a footballer then sports wise Henderson deserves it much more than Rashford.
Not if it's sports personality.
Hamilton has none. Or, rather, the little he does have is odious.
And driving an engine round and round a track isn't sport.
Here’s a short interview from him yesterday, comes across to me as humble, grateful and aware of the platform he has to inspire others and change things in the world. A worthy champion, and quite different from how people perceive him based on what he was like a decade ago as a 23 year old rookie. https://youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=DXwlhmJBkIY
A long long time ago I can still remember how the Brexit used to make him smile.
Oh, and while the king was looking down The jester stole his thorny crown
I wrote a long verse poem to the exact tune - "Brexit Pie" - which I considered floating on here. But it IS long.
Definitely post it.
That line I quoted amused me since people here always call Boris a clown, it fits too well.
In chunks maybe -
1.
A long long time ago I can still remember how The Brexit used to make me smile And I knew if we had our chance That we would get one up on France And we could beat the Germans by a mile
But Parliament would always dither Instead of trying to deliver Bad news on our doorstep We couldn’t take one more step
I’m not ashamed to say I cried When I found that even Boris lied And now it seems our hands are tied The day the Brexit died
So why why was it not Do or Die? Brexit stolen from the People, what a poke in the eye Them good ole boys are eating pasties and pies Singing all the liberal traitors must die All the liberal traitors must die.
DiT Webinar: Onto the Kent Access Permit. A demo site "Check an HGV is ready to Cross the Border" is ready for testing. It WILL be required for use from 1/1/21 despite not yet having been completed beyond a testing phase. For non-Kent ports the same paperwork is mandatory from 1/1/21 just without the system (which doesn't yet work beyond initial testing) generating a KAP
Operation Brock. Trucks carrying live animals will be fast-tracked to be removed from the Brock queues to be prioritised at the Port queues. So that's confirmation that as well as the vast car parks (locations, capacities and capabilities TBC remember) being built that Brock will be turning Kent's motorways into car parks.
When they wrote the script for this Did they intend to take the piss? ‘Cos that’s how it looks to me When we went down in June Sixteen We voted Leave and we were keen Now here we are just crying in our beer
Well I know that the result was tight And it’s true that we are not too bright Did not do what we’re told ‘Cos man we’re sick of all these Poles
I was an angry fifty something man With a wife and kids and a small white van But I knew shit had hit the fan The day that Brexit died I started singing
Bye bye it was not Do or Die Brexit stolen from the People, what a poke in the eye Those good ole boys are eating pasties and pies Singing all the liberal traitors must die All the liberal traitors must die
Now for three years we’ve been up the creek And Jean Claude Juncker has the cheek To tell us how it ought to be
When the People said Take Back Control What they meant by this God only knows But their voice was loud and it was clear
Then while we stopped and faffed around The traitors came and stole the crown Our chance for glory spurned The whole thing got adjourned
And while Corbyn read a book on Marx Remainers marched in Regents Park And Leave got shafted up the arse The day that Brexit died We were singing
Why why was it not Do or Die? Brexit stolen from the People, what a poke in the eye Them good ole boys are eating pasties and pies Singing all the liberal traitors must die All the liberal traitors must die.
I know it has been said before but it's really noticeable today.
Destroying your country's economy and your party in under a year will do that to you, I guess.
I've had to turn the BBC News page off, as it's got a large pic of a definitely poorly-looking Boris. Very unpleasant on two counts!
I mean I know it doesn't matter in the great scheme of things but does he look in the mirror, examine what he sees, and then say to himself: "Yep, Prime Ministerial 100%."
Nor do I want to sound like my father but for goodness sake man brush your hair. You are not in an ad for hair product.
Edit: and if I was perhaps suspected of having the virus and/or wanted to show myself to be fit as a fiddle I'd actually put a suit and tie on and try to look immaculate (and brush my hair...).
SPOTY - If we are talking personality it's surely Rashford but if sport it absolutely 100% has to be Hamilton surely?
Sporting wise has Rashford achieved anything at all this year?
If it does at it is going to a footballer then sports wise Henderson deserves it much more than Rashford.
Not if it's sports personality.
Hamilton has none. Or, rather, the little he does have is odious.
And driving an engine round and round a track isn't sport.
Here’s a short interview from him yesterday, comes across to me as humble, grateful and aware of the platform he has to inspire others and change things in the world. A worthy champion, and quite different from how people perceive him based on what he was like a decade ago as a 23 year old rookie. https://youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=DXwlhmJBkIY
I hate every car he owns apart from his LaF and his SLS.
Helter skelter in the summer swelter When Soubry speaks you wanna just belt her Brexit screwed and fading fast
No way now that it can pass There’s no-one even kicking ass And Starmer on the sidelines thinking fast
Now the EU guy was Donald Tusk And he toiled hard from dawn to dusk Dave Davis he took a stance Oh, but he never had a chance
Because when he tried to grasp the screed The Deal was just too hard to read Said that it made his eyeballs bleed The day that Brexit died We started singing
Bye bye it was not Do or Die Brexit stolen from the People, what a poke in the eye Them good ole boys are eating pasties and pies Saying all the liberal traitors must die All the liberal traitors must die
So I called Leaver mobs to my place Fury etched across my face Said time has come to light the flames
So c’mon lads be troopers, follow me We got to set this country free and Tony is the devil not our friend
But when he climbed upon the stage From us came only fits of rage No snowball’s chance in hell To break this Quisling’s spell
And as the cheers rang loud into the night Their Ode to Joy sung just to spite I saw Merkel laughing with delight The day that Brexit died I started singing
Bye bye it was not Do or Die Brexit stolen from the People, what a poke in the eye Them good ole boys are eating pasties and pies Saying all the liberal traitors must die All the liberal traitors must die
I met a friend who voted Leave And asked her if she still believed But she just shrugged and turned away
I went on down to the Poundland store Where I’d heard the rumblings weeks before And a man there said the bastards had to pay
In Weatherspoons the punters steamed They stared at space, no longer dreamed Of chains of Europe broken Those words they all were token
And the man they trusted like a priest Thought Nige would stay and fight at least He’d caught the last plane for Belize The day that Brexit died
And so we’re singing Bye bye it was not Do or Die Brexit stolen from the People, what a poke in the eye Them good ole boys are eating pasties and pies Saying all the liberal traitors must die All the liberal traitors must die
Yeah we’re singing Bye bye it was not Do or Die Brexit stolen from the People, what a poke in the eye Them good ole boys are eating pasties and pies Saying all the liberal traitors must die
The Johnson conundrum: 1. Politically, he cannot do a trade deal with the EU. 2. Economically, he cannot not do a trade deal with the EU. Because Johnson is not in politics for the good of the British people or business, 1 will trump 2 every single time.
Do not think so. For me the politics steers to a deal. I think he can handle flak from the headbangers much easier than that from a WTO crash out.
The way I see it, the ERG owns a WTO deal as much as Johnson does, so politically they will be much less trouble for him if we go to No Deal - in fact, they will love him. And the ERG basically owns the Conservative party these days. Johnson is not thinking about a wider constituency than that.
Also, there's a parallel with the Trump issue in the header.
Logically, there must be quite a lot of senior Republican figures who can count, know that the game is up for Trump 2020, and have long-term ambitions of their own. Those ambitions won't be helped by being tied to the clowncar crash of Trump continuing to deny his defeat. But it's in nobody's interest to be the first to put their head above the parapet. So they wait for someone else to have their head blown off first. So the car crash continues, because nobody stops it.
Logically, there must be quite a lot of senior Conservative figures who can recognise that the UK really isn't ready to leave transition in six weeks time and have long-term ambitions of their own. Those ambitions won't be helped by being tied to the clowncar crash which is likely to follow from changes in trade rules for which neither business or government are remotely prepared...
A long long time ago I can still remember how the Brexit used to make him smile.
Oh, and while the king was looking down The jester stole his thorny crown
I wrote a long verse poem to the exact tune - "Brexit Pie" - which I considered floating on here. But it IS long.
Definitely post it.
That line I quoted amused me since people here always call Boris a clown, it fits too well.
In chunks maybe -
1.
A long long time ago I can still remember how The Brexit used to make me smile And I knew if we had our chance That we would get one up on France And we could beat the Germans by a mile
But Parliament would always dither Instead of trying to deliver Bad news on our doorstep We couldn’t take one more step
I’m not ashamed to say I cried When I found that even Boris lied And now it seems our hands are tied The day the Brexit died
So why why was it not Do or Die? Brexit stolen from the People, what a poke in the eye Them good ole boys are eating pasties and pies Singing all the liberal traitors must die All the liberal traitors must die.
An improvement on the original song, which is massively overrated sub-Dylan self-important garbage. This by contrast is very clever.
The transport bit of this Webinar was the funniest bit. Despite the car parks that are causing so much upset in places like Ashford the plan is still to shut the M20 for truck parking. And need to expedite the removal of trucks from the Brock queues to allow them to actually transition through the port before the livestock on board dies.
That's according to the DfT. I know that Philip insists that none of this is going to happen, but the people who are implementing it insist it is...
The transport bit of this Webinar was the funniest bit. Despite the car parks that are causing so much upset in places like Ashford the plan is still to shut the M20 for truck parking. And need to expedite the removal of trucks from the Brock queues to allow them to actually transition through the port before the livestock on board dies.
That's according to the DfT. I know that Philip insists that none of this is going to happen, but the people who are implementing it insist it is...
Philip's world and reality are very different places.
What is going to be interesting is seeing how they collide in January as reality bites.
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https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/05/is-this-old-lingerie-joke-harmless-or-harassment/559760/
basically a trivial academic spat, which nobody comes out of looking that wonderful. but has it got anything to do with Dem politicians?
I'm quite uncomfortable with Maher's comments on this:
https://www.thecut.com/2019/03/an-awkward-kiss-changed-how-i-saw-joe-biden.html
especially as Biden was not just an "old man trying to show support in an old man way", he was Vice-President.
With all the Mail ballots counted Trump has got a 35,000 vote lead. a 10% margin.
I am now willing to move the state to FIRM TRUMP
@Quincel
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Klug0fBfmtk
O'Sullivan is interesting too. Never on the shortlist in previous years is odd. Made me wonder whether they asked him and he said no interest. If he's not on it again this year I will conclude something like that.
Thanks Scott, I'll take a look.
As per my first post. I think we will all agree on 90+% of it as obvious and the rest is woolly, even within some activities eg for me driving down the road to the shops is not a sport obviously; F1 is. Rallying (Sport or hobby?) guess it might be to the degree it is competitive and people will disagree.
" I'm going to say something, I hope it isn't too much, and won't shock you, for you on a Sunday afternoon ladies and gentlemen, but it's about ..
Immigration."
What a shocking, brave rogue you are, Nige ! The end as he winds up with all the gradually rising intonations, angry and calculated pauses, is textbook sub-fascist oratory, in the 21st century version - an anglicised US talk radio shockjock who loves his own sense of "edge".
Strictly is clearly different - for the elite dancer it is more coaching than dancing.
https://www.berwickshirenews.co.uk/news/d-r-collin-facing-reality-brexit-114194
1. An effective politician; and
2. A politician you don't agree with.
Nige is both of course and the latter doesn't alter the former.
I like stringing them along for a few minutes, tell them about an accident for about 5 minutes then at the end say 'Oh I was really drunk at the time, and high on cocaine at the time, will I still be able to get compensation?'
The first is a harmless joke and the world would be a lot sadder without these jokes. Nobody should take offence.
The second is not so. I do find him a bit too much touchy feely for my liking. There are lots of these. Some harmless, like him kissing the head of his granddaughter at the funeral of her father. Others however make me feel a bit uncomfortable, but then I am not a touchy feely person. Having read the article you linked I agree with you.
Any claim that Farage had to be a politician that respected democratic norms has disappeared. He's turning into the modern equivalent of Oswald Mosley.
The jester stole his thorny crown
https://twitter.com/WDurrands/status/1328269912582795264
That sounds like a 2nd chaotic event 6 months after the first! For imports it will be *great*. Before you import or export you need to generate a Goods Movement Reference that has all of the paperwork for each type of goods onboard (an awful lot of paperwork for food mixed loads...). Before arrival the border the GMR will have been checked so that the driver knows if the paperwork is ok to be checked at the Border Control Port or if the goods will be "temporarily" lodged for inspection. Note that drivers won't know if the load passes until after they have set off!
Which explains the need for the Kent Access Permit. You can't send trucks off towards the channel not knowing if they will pass or not - and the system is designed to only decide that after they set off. The KAP at least ensures that the paperwork required has been gathered and submitted into a GMR. Not that it will actually be valid and acceptable for VAT / Excise purposes before it is allowed to leave...
With regret I'm leaning towards just backing the GOP in both seats.
First meeting with the health and safety executive:
“So, how will this engineless plane get up into the air?”
“Well, we’ve got a couple of ideas - we could use a rope to tie it to the back of a powered aeroplane and take off with them connected together, or we could get a piece of steel cable a mile long, and use a big winch to wind it in at 60mph while the guy in the glider points it at the sky...”
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1. Politically, he cannot do a trade deal with the EU.
2. Economically, he cannot not do a trade deal with the EU.
Because Johnson is not in politics for the good of the British people or business, 1 will trump 2 every single time.
Once the electoral college meets and confirms Biden as the winner the dynamic will change in Georgia.
The dynamic will be stop the Dems from controlling all three of the White House, House, and Senate, that'll get GOPers in Georgia out and voting.
Endless hours of fun, we kept a book on who could keep them talking for the longest.
I wrote a long verse poem to the exact tune - "Brexit Pie" - which I considered floating on here. But it IS long.
Wouldn't it be better to know that you've been in contact with someone with Covid-19 lest you spread it yourself?
Sporting wise has Rashford achieved anything at all this year?
If it does at it is going to a footballer then sports wise Henderson deserves it much more than Rashford.
I know - it's their job so not fair to abuse them as they are paid to do it but one must take one's amusements where one can.
#WouldViagraHelp?
That line I quoted amused me since people here always call Boris a clown, it fits too well.
Most governments would be willing to balance the risk of a crisis now against a potentially worse one later. But this is a Boris Johnson government, and thinking beyond the end of his nose isn't something he is renowned for.
They should change the name of the award.
I know it has been said before but it's really noticeable today.
So that's definitely going to make things cheaper for consumers. Or - make things cheaper and make NI effectively an extension of the ROI marketplace. As opposed to the other way round as so often is the case at the moment in grocery.
Hamilton has none. Or, rather, the little he does have is odious.
And driving an engine round and round a track isn't sport.
Though we will never find out since it's unlikely to happen all the headless chicken screaming here that it'll be the end of the world is no different to the same pre-Referendum. Same old tired story.
He clearly has a lot of personality which is why he rubs you up the wrong way.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-54959012
6 months too late.
If that means addressing different communities on their own terms, rather than assuming that Latino Americans are a monolithic group, so much the better.
Brexit is also not fascist. Even though the fascists were keen supports of Brexit, they comprise a tiny minority of its supporters. The worst you can say for the majority of Brexit campaigners is that they failed to properly repudiate the fascists in their wings. That alone is damning enough, but it's not enough to call them fascists themselves.
https://youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=DXwlhmJBkIY
1.
A long long time ago
I can still remember how
The Brexit used to make me smile
And I knew if we had our chance
That we would get one up on France
And we could beat the Germans by a mile
But Parliament would always dither
Instead of trying to deliver
Bad news on our doorstep
We couldn’t take one more step
I’m not ashamed to say I cried
When I found that even Boris lied
And now it seems our hands are tied
The day the Brexit died
So why why was it not Do or Die?
Brexit stolen from the People, what a poke in the eye
Them good ole boys are eating pasties and pies
Singing all the liberal traitors must die
All the liberal traitors must die.
Operation Brock. Trucks carrying live animals will be fast-tracked to be removed from the Brock queues to be prioritised at the Port queues. So that's confirmation that as well as the vast car parks (locations, capacities and capabilities TBC remember) being built that Brock will be turning Kent's motorways into car parks.
When they wrote the script for this
Did they intend to take the piss?
‘Cos that’s how it looks to me
When we went down in June Sixteen
We voted Leave and we were keen
Now here we are just crying in our beer
Well I know that the result was tight
And it’s true that we are not too bright
Did not do what we’re told
‘Cos man we’re sick of all these Poles
I was an angry fifty something man
With a wife and kids and a small white van
But I knew shit had hit the fan
The day that Brexit died
I started singing
Bye bye it was not Do or Die
Brexit stolen from the People, what a poke in the eye
Those good ole boys are eating pasties and pies
Singing all the liberal traitors must die
All the liberal traitors must die
Now for three years we’ve been up the creek
And Jean Claude Juncker has the cheek
To tell us how it ought to be
When the People said Take Back Control
What they meant by this God only knows
But their voice was loud and it was clear
Then while we stopped and faffed around
The traitors came and stole the crown
Our chance for glory spurned
The whole thing got adjourned
And while Corbyn read a book on Marx
Remainers marched in Regents Park
And Leave got shafted up the arse
The day that Brexit died
We were singing
Why why was it not Do or Die?
Brexit stolen from the People, what a poke in the eye
Them good ole boys are eating pasties and pies
Singing all the liberal traitors must die
All the liberal traitors must die.
Nor do I want to sound like my father but for goodness sake man brush your hair. You are not in an ad for hair product.
Edit: and if I was perhaps suspected of having the virus and/or wanted to show myself to be fit as a fiddle I'd actually put a suit and tie on and try to look immaculate (and brush my hair...).
Helter skelter in the summer swelter
When Soubry speaks you wanna just belt her
Brexit screwed and fading fast
No way now that it can pass
There’s no-one even kicking ass
And Starmer on the sidelines thinking fast
Now the EU guy was Donald Tusk
And he toiled hard from dawn to dusk
Dave Davis he took a stance
Oh, but he never had a chance
Because when he tried to grasp the screed
The Deal was just too hard to read
Said that it made his eyeballs bleed
The day that Brexit died
We started singing
Bye bye it was not Do or Die
Brexit stolen from the People, what a poke in the eye
Them good ole boys are eating pasties and pies
Saying all the liberal traitors must die
All the liberal traitors must die
So I called Leaver mobs to my place
Fury etched across my face
Said time has come to light the flames
So c’mon lads be troopers, follow me
We got to set this country free and
Tony is the devil not our friend
But when he climbed upon the stage
From us came only fits of rage
No snowball’s chance in hell
To break this Quisling’s spell
And as the cheers rang loud into the night
Their Ode to Joy sung just to spite
I saw Merkel laughing with delight
The day that Brexit died
I started singing
Bye bye it was not Do or Die
Brexit stolen from the People, what a poke in the eye
Them good ole boys are eating pasties and pies
Saying all the liberal traitors must die
All the liberal traitors must die
I met a friend who voted Leave
And asked her if she still believed
But she just shrugged and turned away
I went on down to the Poundland store
Where I’d heard the rumblings weeks before
And a man there said the bastards had to pay
In Weatherspoons the punters steamed
They stared at space, no longer dreamed
Of chains of Europe broken
Those words they all were token
And the man they trusted like a priest
Thought Nige would stay and fight at least
He’d caught the last plane for Belize
The day that Brexit died
And so we’re singing
Bye bye it was not Do or Die
Brexit stolen from the People, what a poke in the eye
Them good ole boys are eating pasties and pies
Saying all the liberal traitors must die
All the liberal traitors must die
Yeah we’re singing
Bye bye it was not Do or Die
Brexit stolen from the People, what a poke in the eye
Them good ole boys are eating pasties and pies
Saying all the liberal traitors must die
FIN -
Logically, there must be quite a lot of senior Republican figures who can count, know that the game is up for Trump 2020, and have long-term ambitions of their own. Those ambitions won't be helped by being tied to the clowncar crash of Trump continuing to deny his defeat.
But it's in nobody's interest to be the first to put their head above the parapet. So they wait for someone else to have their head blown off first. So the car crash continues, because nobody stops it.
Logically, there must be quite a lot of senior Conservative figures who can recognise that the UK really isn't ready to leave transition in six weeks time and have long-term ambitions of their own. Those ambitions won't be helped by being tied to the clowncar crash which is likely to follow from changes in trade rules for which neither business or government are remotely prepared...
That's according to the DfT. I know that Philip insists that none of this is going to happen, but the people who are implementing it insist it is...
What is going to be interesting is seeing how they collide in January as reality bites.