As the counts continue it’s looking pretty certain that Biden will be heading for the White House –
As the counts continue it’s looking pretty certain that Biden will be heading for the White House – politicalbetting.com
It is morning now on the east coast of the US and the counting continues.
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1st. Like Sleepy.1
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Yes, at the moment it does look like Biden will be President elect, the question is now merely about his margin of victory.
If confirmed it will be a historic feat he has achieved, only the second presidential candidate alongside Ronald Reagan since 1900 to defeat an incumbent President after only 1 term of his party in the White House4 -
Well done Biden. Bit of a wobble and no landslide for the party (though that may not be a bad thing), but he has done what was needed it seems.3
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They don't underestimate it, they willfully ignore it so that all the people they don't like can be perfectly grouped together.Time_to_Leave said:
People underestimate how much of the relationship is baked in at the official level.RH1992 said:
I don't really get the fuss over this. It's basically a reversion to the status quo when Obama thought that Merkel/Hollande were the key players in Europe and regularly went to them over Cameron first. Cameron and Brown were both snubbed by Obama and we still got on. Trump didn't exactly favour the UK either, he just seemed to hate all things EU even more. Regardless of what happens, our on again off again relationship with the US will continue as usual.Scott_xP said:
Same reason people often act as though parties on the left and right in another country would line up with our left and right parties, which is far from certain.2 -
Not sure the word pretty is needed in the title of the thread.2
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How is Trafalgar doing?HYUFD said:Yes, at the moment it does look like Biden will be President elect, the question is now merely about his margin of victory.
If confirmed it will be a historic feat he has achieved, only the second presidential candidate alongside Ronald Reagan since 1900 to defeat an incumbent President after only 1 term of his party in the White House0 -
Fair point.HYUFD said:Yes, at the moment it does look like Biden will be President elect, the question is now merely about his margin of victory.
If confirmed it will be a historic feat he has achieved, only the second presidential candidate alongside Ronald Reagan since 1900 to defeat an incumbent President after only 1 term of his party in the White House1 -
Time for Twitter to suspend @therealdonald IMO
Its going to cost lives if they dont shut this idiot down
Or if they do!!2 -
Never in doubt.
I was the epitome of calmness in the early hours of Wednesday, the 3 and 5 on Biden was like stealing money.0 -
Wrong on MI AZ PABeibheirli_C said:
How is Trafalgar doing?HYUFD said:Yes, at the moment it does look like Biden will be President elect, the question is now merely about his margin of victory.
If confirmed it will be a historic feat he has achieved, only the second presidential candidate alongside Ronald Reagan since 1900 to defeat an incumbent President after only 1 term of his party in the White House
But how can a pollster spot FRAUD!!
Not really any worse than most pollsters who were wrong on FL NC IO1 -
Indeed.HYUFD said:Yes, at the moment it does look like Biden will be President elect, the question is now merely about his margin of victory.
If confirmed it will be a historic feat he has achieved, only the second presidential candidate alongside Ronald Reagan since 1900 to defeat an incumbent President after only 1 term of his party in the White House
The only first term (party wise) losers since 1900: Carter, Trump.
Trump deserves a legacy like that.1 -
We all know the special relationship stuff is overblown. I'm not expecting Johnson and Biden to be best pals, but I'm sure they'll get along just fine, for what it's worth.2
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I bet Don is yelling at the Secret Service at the moment.
https://twitter.com/Lawrence/status/13245952756005191701 -
British understatement.Philip_Thompson said:Not sure the word pretty is needed in the title of the thread.
Trump can be controversial.
Looking pretty certain that Biden will be heading to the White House.
Brexit will be an omnishambles of epic proportions.
All classic British understatement.3 -
I suspect that quite a lot of people (like me) did well enough, but are wondering if they could have done better.TheScreamingEagles said:Never in doubt.
I was the epitome of calmness in the early hours of Wednesday, the 3 and 5 on Biden was like stealing money.
Still, about the third best election for me to date.0 -
Would it be fair to say that once Biden overtakes Trump in PA the networks will call it, since all the evidence points to Biden picking up at least 60% of the remaining votes?0
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In all fairness to @HYUFD he has conceded that point a while ago I think.Beibheirli_C said:
How is Trafalgar doing?HYUFD said:Yes, at the moment it does look like Biden will be President elect, the question is now merely about his margin of victory.
If confirmed it will be a historic feat he has achieved, only the second presidential candidate alongside Ronald Reagan since 1900 to defeat an incumbent President after only 1 term of his party in the White House
The deep irony of it is that if he had trusted his own instincts and techniques and simply added the undecideds to Trump he'd be by far the richest punter on PB right now.1 -
I suspect that it right, yes.Benpointer said:Would it be fair to say that once Biden overtakes Trump in PA the networks will call it, since all the evidence points to Biden picking up at least 60% of the remaining votes?
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Next major update AZ is at 11amET 4pm0
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I think they'd want to wait until there's a healthy buffer in Biden's lead before calling it given all the controversy involved.Benpointer said:Would it be fair to say that once Biden overtakes Trump in PA the networks will call it, since all the evidence points to Biden picking up at least 60% of the remaining votes?
Anyone going off projections should have already called it for Biden.1 -
The first genuine LOL of the day for me.LostPassword said:
British understatement.Philip_Thompson said:Not sure the word pretty is needed in the title of the thread.
Trump can be controversial.
Looking pretty certain that Biden will be heading to the White House.
Brexit will be an omnishambles of epic proportions.
All classic British understatement.
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I think the American pollsters look bad, but Trafalgar was supposed to be the bright, new shiny thing with the super-accurate, wonder methodology.bigjohnowls said:
Wrong on MI AZ PABeibheirli_C said:
How is Trafalgar doing?HYUFD said:Yes, at the moment it does look like Biden will be President elect, the question is now merely about his margin of victory.
If confirmed it will be a historic feat he has achieved, only the second presidential candidate alongside Ronald Reagan since 1900 to defeat an incumbent President after only 1 term of his party in the White House
But how can a pollster spot FRAUD!!
Not really any worse than most pollsters who were wrong on FL NC IO
They were not just some political hacks delivering the results those on their side of the divide wanted to hear.
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I'm very pleased. But not counting those chickens just yet.TheWhiteRabbit said:
I suspect that quite a lot of people (like me) did well enough, but are wondering if they could have done better.TheScreamingEagles said:Never in doubt.
I was the epitome of calmness in the early hours of Wednesday, the 3 and 5 on Biden was like stealing money.
Still, about the third best election for me to date.0 -
@TSE the first "British" Commonwealth dates from Cromwell's time0
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0900 MST?bigjohnowls said:Next major update AZ is at 11amET 4pm
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My guess is that Fox will be the first to call PA and Biden's victory.Benpointer said:Would it be fair to say that once Biden overtakes Trump in PA the networks will call it, since all the evidence points to Biden picking up at least 60% of the remaining votes?
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All votes?Scott_xP said:
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Totally O/T....I am coming to the conclusion Baby Yoda isn't actually an adorable bundle of fun, he is actually evil sleeper agent....and a Tory voter.0
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Parliament declared that period of history null and void.Sunil_Prasannan said:@TSE the first "British" Commonwealth dates from Cromwell's time
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Agreed. The Fox Decision Desk prides itself on calling races first.MikeSmithson said:
My guess is that Fox will be the first to call PA and Biden's victory.Benpointer said:Would it be fair to say that once Biden overtakes Trump in PA the networks will call it, since all the evidence points to Biden picking up at least 60% of the remaining votes?
Are there any examples of it ever getting a call wrong?1 -
I don’t think anything will ever match the free money and high odds on offer for a Tory majority in 2015, Trump, or Brexit in the middle of each night when the result looked certain. A part of me is now always searching for the same thing, and that’s dangerous and potentially expensive.TheWhiteRabbit said:
I suspect that quite a lot of people (like me) did well enough, but are wondering if they could have done better.TheScreamingEagles said:Never in doubt.
I was the epitome of calmness in the early hours of Wednesday, the 3 and 5 on Biden was like stealing money.
Still, about the third best election for me to date.
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That's how the deep state would play it ;-)HYUFD said:1 -
To put it in a way that GOPers may understand: All votes matter!1
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Up to a point, you wouldn't count invalid ones, would you?Philip_Thompson said:To put it in a way that GOPers may understand: All votes matter!
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And I'm sure Carter had goals in life other than being perceived as a winner. That's quite a hell that Trump has made for himself.Philip_Thompson said:
Indeed.HYUFD said:Yes, at the moment it does look like Biden will be President elect, the question is now merely about his margin of victory.
If confirmed it will be a historic feat he has achieved, only the second presidential candidate alongside Ronald Reagan since 1900 to defeat an incumbent President after only 1 term of his party in the White House
The only first term (party wise) losers since 1900: Carter, Trump.
Trump deserves a legacy like that.2 -
Can we have John King to do our graphics for election night rather than the woeful Jeremy Vine?4
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Yes I would, I would count them as invalid. There's a reason even spoilt ballots get counted and reported.RobD said:
Up to a point, you wouldn't count invalid ones, would you?Philip_Thompson said:To put it in a way that GOPers may understand: All votes matter!
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The election truther movement will be the next conspiracy cottage industry.FrancisUrquhart said:
That's how the deep state would play it ;-)HYUFD said:1 -
Yep, definitely seeing a pattern of cheating. There was one vote dump in GA that put Trump net 30 up. These Democrats are sneaky bastardsFrancisUrquhart said:
That's how the deep state would play it ;-)HYUFD said:0 -
True, but they don't matter.Philip_Thompson said:
Yes I would, I would count them as invalid. There's a reason even spoilt ballots get counted and reported.RobD said:
Up to a point, you wouldn't count invalid ones, would you?Philip_Thompson said:To put it in a way that GOPers may understand: All votes matter!
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This could be really really serious...Wuhan but worse.
Mutated coronavirus found in Danish mink has now spread to more than 200 people
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8920593/Mutated-coronavirus-Danish-mink-spread-214-people-lockdown-announced.html0 -
Sticking with Trump until the Supreme Court imo. The narrative will be that the election is stolen and that its right to do anything and everything to get "justice". That will include not just court battles but using state legislatures to "correct" stolen Electoral College votes.Scott_xP said:
Whilst its close to over, merely getting enough votes doesnt make this over. Biden needs to get Republican senators and media to recognise his win too.0 -
King could be the richest guy in world media simply by offering his services to networks in major Western democracies for a few days each year.numbertwelve said:Can we have John King to do our graphics for election night rather than the woeful Jeremy Vine?
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Micah Cohen on 538 on Georgia numbers, quoting Gabriel Sterling, "statewide voting systems implementation manager". At least 8197 to come including at least 4800 from Gwinnett County. Not counting provisionals, absentee cures and military/overseas. Military/overseas not more than 8,899.0
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I quite fancy being a Statewide Voting Systems Implementation Manager. I wonder how you get that gig?Chris said:Micah Cohen on 538 on Georgia numbers, quoting Gabriel Sterling, "statewide voting systems implementation manager". At least 8197 to come including at least 4800 from Gwinnett County. Not counting provisionals, absentee cures and military/overseas. Military/overseas not more than 8,899.
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Those poor mink in the photoFrancisUrquhart said:This could be really really serious...Wuhan but worse.
Mutated coronavirus found in Danish mink has now spread to more than 200 people
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8920593/Mutated-coronavirus-Danish-mink-spread-214-people-lockdown-announced.html0 -
Mixed, they forecast the winner right in Texas, Wisconsin, Florida, Ohio and Iowa and likely North Carolina in their final polls, they called the winner wrong in Michigan and likely Arizona, Nevada, Pennsylvania and maybe GeorgiaBeibheirli_C said:
How is Trafalgar doing?HYUFD said:Yes, at the moment it does look like Biden will be President elect, the question is now merely about his margin of victory.
If confirmed it will be a historic feat he has achieved, only the second presidential candidate alongside Ronald Reagan since 1900 to defeat an incumbent President after only 1 term of his party in the White House1 -
In Georgia, the first stage of the selection procedure is a slow bicycle race.numbertwelve said:
I quite fancy being a Statewide Voting Systems Implementation Manager. I wonder how you get that gig?Chris said:Micah Cohen on 538 on Georgia numbers, quoting Gabriel Sterling, "statewide voting systems implementation manager". At least 8197 to come including at least 4800 from Gwinnett County. Not counting provisionals, absentee cures and military/overseas. Military/overseas not more than 8,899.
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I wouldn't go that far, all legal votes matter. Postal votes are legal so they matter.Philip_Thompson said:To put it in a way that GOPers may understand: All votes matter!
I still don't understand Trump's tirade against postal voting, it's cost him Georgia, AZ, and possibly PA too.
Discouraging people from voting seems like such a stupid strategy to win an election.0 -
Posted a link to the BBC article last night!FrancisUrquhart said:This could be really really serious...Wuhan but worse.
Mutated coronavirus found in Danish mink has now spread to more than 200 people
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8920593/Mutated-coronavirus-Danish-mink-spread-214-people-lockdown-announced.html
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My final forecast was 269 269, I said Biden would win Michigan and Arizona unlike Trafalgar in my final forecast, I was likely still wrong but not a million miles off the final result eitherAnabobazina said:
In all fairness to @HYUFD he has conceded that point a while ago I think.Beibheirli_C said:
How is Trafalgar doing?HYUFD said:Yes, at the moment it does look like Biden will be President elect, the question is now merely about his margin of victory.
If confirmed it will be a historic feat he has achieved, only the second presidential candidate alongside Ronald Reagan since 1900 to defeat an incumbent President after only 1 term of his party in the White House
The deep irony of it is that if he had trusted his own instincts and techniques and simply added the undecideds to Trump he'd be by far the richest punter on PB right now.2 -
And with it, the election. If he'd taken those three, he'd have won.MaxPB said:
I wouldn't go that far, all legal votes matter. Postal votes are legal so they matter.Philip_Thompson said:To put it in a way that GOPers may understand: All votes matter!
I still don't understand Trump's tirade against postal voting, it's cost him Georgia, AZ, and possibly PA too.
Discouraging people from voting seems like such a stupid strategy to win an election.
Hoist by his own petard. Lovely thought.0 -
Denmark = Nuke Zone.FrancisUrquhart said:This could be really really serious...Wuhan but worse.
Mutated coronavirus found in Danish mink has now spread to more than 200 people
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8920593/Mutated-coronavirus-Danish-mink-spread-214-people-lockdown-announced.html0 -
You were closer than me mate.HYUFD said:
My final forecast was 269 269, I said Biden would win Michigan and Arizona unlike Trafalgar in my final forecastAnabobazina said:
In all fairness to @HYUFD he has conceded that point a while ago I think.Beibheirli_C said:
How is Trafalgar doing?HYUFD said:Yes, at the moment it does look like Biden will be President elect, the question is now merely about his margin of victory.
If confirmed it will be a historic feat he has achieved, only the second presidential candidate alongside Ronald Reagan since 1900 to defeat an incumbent President after only 1 term of his party in the White House
The deep irony of it is that if he had trusted his own instincts and techniques and simply added the undecideds to Trump he'd be by far the richest punter on PB right now.
I had it 260-278 to Trump.
A very bad miss.1 -
Indeed. Little more he should say other than "Democracy demands that the people decide who governs. We are seeing that democracy is alive and well in the US with record numbers of voter registrations and votes cast. We congratulate all Americans on this record turn out. As for how the voting is organized and conducted, that is a matter for Americans to decide. It would not be right or proper for me to opine on specifics of their electoral system."RobD said:0 -
Don't give Trump any ideas. We've got 2 more months of the great tantrum to endure.MaxPB said:
Denmark = Nuke Zone.FrancisUrquhart said:This could be really really serious...Wuhan but worse.
Mutated coronavirus found in Danish mink has now spread to more than 200 people
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8920593/Mutated-coronavirus-Danish-mink-spread-214-people-lockdown-announced.html0 -
LOLs, I think about everyone was closer than me. I predicted a Blue Wave. Hah! (Egg on face) Still happy, thoughAnabobazina said:
You were closer than me mate.HYUFD said:
My final forecast was 269 269, I said Biden would win Michigan and Arizona unlike Trafalgar in my final forecastAnabobazina said:
In all fairness to @HYUFD he has conceded that point a while ago I think.Beibheirli_C said:
How is Trafalgar doing?HYUFD said:Yes, at the moment it does look like Biden will be President elect, the question is now merely about his margin of victory.
If confirmed it will be a historic feat he has achieved, only the second presidential candidate alongside Ronald Reagan since 1900 to defeat an incumbent President after only 1 term of his party in the White House
The deep irony of it is that if he had trusted his own instincts and techniques and simply added the undecideds to Trump he'd be by far the richest punter on PB right now.
I had it 260-278 to Trump.
A very bad miss.
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https://xkcd.com/1122/Philip_Thompson said:
Indeed.HYUFD said:Yes, at the moment it does look like Biden will be President elect, the question is now merely about his margin of victory.
If confirmed it will be a historic feat he has achieved, only the second presidential candidate alongside Ronald Reagan since 1900 to defeat an incumbent President after only 1 term of his party in the White House
The only first term (party wise) losers since 1900: Carter, Trump.
Trump deserves a legacy like that.0 -
Yeah, the faster we can get away from farming animals like this the better.isam said:
Those poor mink in the photoFrancisUrquhart said:This could be really really serious...Wuhan but worse.
Mutated coronavirus found in Danish mink has now spread to more than 200 people
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8920593/Mutated-coronavirus-Danish-mink-spread-214-people-lockdown-announced.html0 -
Austin, Texas to see even more influx of people...
https://news.slashdot.org/story/20/11/05/2229234/san-francisco-voters-approve-taxes-on-highly-paid-ceos-big-businesses0 -
For now that would be perfect. However, if the election is stolen and results in violence presumably our response should be the same as this?TimT said:
Indeed. Little more he should say other than "Democracy demands that the people decide who governs. We are seeing that democracy is alive and well in the US with record numbers of voter registrations and votes cast. We congratulate all Americans on this record turn out. As for how the voting is organized and conducted, that is a matter for Americans to decide. It would not be right or proper for me to opine on specifics of their electoral system."RobD said:
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/uk-statement-on-the-31-october-2020-presidential-elections-in-cote-divoire0 -
I am at company with my friendseristdoof said:
https://xkcd.com/1122/Philip_Thompson said:
Indeed.HYUFD said:Yes, at the moment it does look like Biden will be President elect, the question is now merely about his margin of victory.
If confirmed it will be a historic feat he has achieved, only the second presidential candidate alongside Ronald Reagan since 1900 to defeat an incumbent President after only 1 term of his party in the White House
The only first term (party wise) losers since 1900: Carter, Trump.
Trump deserves a legacy like that.
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You picked the winner though – so well done on that.TimT said:
LOLs, I think about everyone was closer than me. I predicted a Blue Wave. Hah! (Egg on face) Still happy, thoughAnabobazina said:
You were closer than me mate.HYUFD said:
My final forecast was 269 269, I said Biden would win Michigan and Arizona unlike Trafalgar in my final forecastAnabobazina said:
In all fairness to @HYUFD he has conceded that point a while ago I think.Beibheirli_C said:
How is Trafalgar doing?HYUFD said:Yes, at the moment it does look like Biden will be President elect, the question is now merely about his margin of victory.
If confirmed it will be a historic feat he has achieved, only the second presidential candidate alongside Ronald Reagan since 1900 to defeat an incumbent President after only 1 term of his party in the White House
The deep irony of it is that if he had trusted his own instincts and techniques and simply added the undecideds to Trump he'd be by far the richest punter on PB right now.
I had it 260-278 to Trump.
A very bad miss.0 -
And, presumably, evict Donald Trump if he doesn't leave.TheScreamingEagles said:I bet Don is yelling at the Secret Service at the moment.
https://twitter.com/Lawrence/status/13245952756005191700 -
Yes, it's actually brilliant. It's crazy how close he came to winning, if he'd fired up his base to swamp the postal vote system as well as those who wanted to vote in person I think he'd have won. There will have been enough voters in thre states who didn't vote in person but would have voted by post if they trusted the system and Trump didn't undermine its legitimacy. People voting for Biden would still have voted for Biden by post or in person, he only discouraged his own supporters. Truly he is an idiot.numbertwelve said:
And with it, the election. If he'd taken those three, he'd have won.MaxPB said:
I wouldn't go that far, all legal votes matter. Postal votes are legal so they matter.Philip_Thompson said:To put it in a way that GOPers may understand: All votes matter!
I still don't understand Trump's tirade against postal voting, it's cost him Georgia, AZ, and possibly PA too.
Discouraging people from voting seems like such a stupid strategy to win an election.
Hoist by his own petard. Lovely thought.2 -
I think that is a disservice to the deep research he does year round to be able to pull off what you see on the screen.Anabobazina said:
King could be the richest guy in world media simply by offering his services to networks in major Western democracies for a few days each year.numbertwelve said:Can we have John King to do our graphics for election night rather than the woeful Jeremy Vine?
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I find most of CNN and Wolff Blitzer (sp?) seriously irritating, worse than the BBC but I would make an exception for John King. Clear and numerate.numbertwelve said:Can we have John King to do our graphics for election night rather than the woeful Jeremy Vine?
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Not now..FrancisUrquhart said:This could be really really serious...Wuhan but worse.
Mutated coronavirus found in Danish mink has now spread to more than 200 people
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8920593/Mutated-coronavirus-Danish-mink-spread-214-people-lockdown-announced.html1 -
Should have been telling them to vote by post AND in person. He would have walked it.MaxPB said:
Yes, it's actually brilliant. It's crazy how close he came to winning, if he'd fired up his base to swamp the postal vote system as well as those who wanted to vote in person I think he'd have won. There will have been enough voters in thre states who didn't vote in person but would have voted by post if they trusted the system and Trump didn't undermine its legitimacy. People voting for Biden would still have voted for Biden by post or in person, he only discouraged his own supporters. Truly he is an idiot.numbertwelve said:
And with it, the election. If he'd taken those three, he'd have won.MaxPB said:
I wouldn't go that far, all legal votes matter. Postal votes are legal so they matter.Philip_Thompson said:To put it in a way that GOPers may understand: All votes matter!
I still don't understand Trump's tirade against postal voting, it's cost him Georgia, AZ, and possibly PA too.
Discouraging people from voting seems like such a stupid strategy to win an election.
Hoist by his own petard. Lovely thought.1 -
I reckon the military changed the neuclear codes on Tuesday quarding against the eventuality that Trump goes crazy.numbertwelve said:
Don't give Trump any ideas. We've got 2 more months of the great tantrum to endure.MaxPB said:
Denmark = Nuke Zone.FrancisUrquhart said:This could be really really serious...Wuhan but worse.
Mutated coronavirus found in Danish mink has now spread to more than 200 people
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8920593/Mutated-coronavirus-Danish-mink-spread-214-people-lockdown-announced.html1 -
The Republicans winning the Senate might not help Trump here. I suspect that many Republican politicians are privately delighted with the outcome of the election, and will be grateful for the opportunity to dissociate themselves from Trump by refusing to cooperate with his attempts to steal it.noneoftheabove said:
Sticking with Trump until the Supreme Court imo. The narrative will be that the election is stolen and that its right to do anything and everything to get "justice". That will include not just court battles but using state legislatures to "correct" stolen Electoral College votes.Scott_xP said:
Whilst its close to over, merely getting enough votes doesnt make this over. Biden needs to get Republican senators and media to recognise his win too.0 -
I am old enough to recall that being the expectation with Reagan. Yet he had some competent people around him and was happy to do the genial handshaking and leave the hard thinking to others. Biden has the same potential.LostPassword said:
British understatement.Philip_Thompson said:Not sure the word pretty is needed in the title of the thread.
Trump can be controversial.
Looking pretty certain that Biden will be heading to the White House.
Brexit will be an omnishambles of epic proportions.
All classic British understatement.3 -
Fair point – apologies.TimT said:
I think that is a disservice to the deep research he does year round to be able to pull off what you see on the screen.Anabobazina said:
King could be the richest guy in world media simply by offering his services to networks in major Western democracies for a few days each year.numbertwelve said:Can we have John King to do our graphics for election night rather than the woeful Jeremy Vine?
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Yeah, if (and that's a huge IF) and when there is any evidence of systemic malfeasance which has impacted the outcome, I'd agree the UK would have to say its piece in defence of democratic norms.noneoftheabove said:
For now that would be perfect. However, if the election is stolen and results in violence presumably our response should be the same as this?TimT said:
Indeed. Little more he should say other than "Democracy demands that the people decide who governs. We are seeing that democracy is alive and well in the US with record numbers of voter registrations and votes cast. We congratulate all Americans on this record turn out. As for how the voting is organized and conducted, that is a matter for Americans to decide. It would not be right or proper for me to opine on specifics of their electoral system."RobD said:
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/uk-statement-on-the-31-october-2020-presidential-elections-in-cote-divoire0 -
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Indeed. His knowledge of the US county by county is astonishing.TimT said:
I think that is a disservice to the deep research he does year round to be able to pull off what you see on the screen.Anabobazina said:
King could be the richest guy in world media simply by offering his services to networks in major Western democracies for a few days each year.numbertwelve said:Can we have John King to do our graphics for election night rather than the woeful Jeremy Vine?
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Ah, it's settled? Excellent.CarlottaVance said:4 -
I think it was Gabriel Sterling I watched in a press conference yesterday about outstanding GA ballots. Very professional guy. I'd vote for him.Chris said:Micah Cohen on 538 on Georgia numbers, quoting Gabriel Sterling, "statewide voting systems implementation manager". At least 8197 to come including at least 4800 from Gwinnett County. Not counting provisionals, absentee cures and military/overseas. Military/overseas not more than 8,899.
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And so way more impactful when he finally lets rip into Trump.DavidL said:
I find most of CNN and Wolff Blitzer (sp?) seriously irritating, worse than the BBC but I would make an exception for John King. Clear and numerate.numbertwelve said:Can we have John King to do our graphics for election night rather than the woeful Jeremy Vine?
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BF: "Any subsequent events such as a ‘faithless elector’ will have no effect on the settlement of this market."kicorse said:
The Republicans winning the Senate might not help Trump here. I suspect that many Republican politicians are privately delighted with the outcome of the election, and will be grateful for the opportunity to dissociate themselves from Trump by refusing to cooperate with his attempts to steal it.noneoftheabove said:
Sticking with Trump until the Supreme Court imo. The narrative will be that the election is stolen and that its right to do anything and everything to get "justice". That will include not just court battles but using state legislatures to "correct" stolen Electoral College votes.Scott_xP said:
Whilst its close to over, merely getting enough votes doesnt make this over. Biden needs to get Republican senators and media to recognise his win too.
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Yet it had an enduring legacyRobD said:
Parliament declared that period of history null and void.Sunil_Prasannan said:@TSE the first "British" Commonwealth dates from Cromwell's time
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"The President says it's wrong. It's not wrong. We count votes. That's what we do in the United States of America."TimT said:
And so way more impactful when he finally lets rip into Trump.DavidL said:
I find most of CNN and Wolff Blitzer (sp?) seriously irritating, worse than the BBC but I would make an exception for John King. Clear and numerate.numbertwelve said:Can we have John King to do our graphics for election night rather than the woeful Jeremy Vine?
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No doubt Denmark will be unquarantined by Shapps by close of play today.Casino_Royale said:
Not now..FrancisUrquhart said:This could be really really serious...Wuhan but worse.
Mutated coronavirus found in Danish mink has now spread to more than 200 people
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8920593/Mutated-coronavirus-Danish-mink-spread-214-people-lockdown-announced.html0 -
I just don't understand why there's still over a hundred grand available to back Biden at 1.07 still on Betfair. The writing is on the wall now.
This is a situation where I'd be drawing down cash on my credit card to soak that all up, if the shysters in Government hadn't banned it.0 -
Lord, I hope so.eristdoof said:
I reckon the military changed the neuclear codes on Tuesday quarding against the eventuality that Trump goes crazy.numbertwelve said:
Don't give Trump any ideas. We've got 2 more months of the great tantrum to endure.MaxPB said:
Denmark = Nuke Zone.FrancisUrquhart said:This could be really really serious...Wuhan but worse.
Mutated coronavirus found in Danish mink has now spread to more than 200 people
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8920593/Mutated-coronavirus-Danish-mink-spread-214-people-lockdown-announced.html0 -
+1 by calling postal votes into question Trump probably lost a lot of potential postal votes who then didn't come out in person because of the time it would take. Given how close a lot of these states are and how much the postal votes are swaying things the other way discouraging postal votes may well have cost him the election.MaxPB said:
Yes, it's actually brilliant. It's crazy how close he came to winning, if he'd fired up his base to swamp the postal vote system as well as those who wanted to vote in person I think he'd have won. There will have been enough voters in thre states who didn't vote in person but would have voted by post if they trusted the system and Trump didn't undermine its legitimacy. People voting for Biden would still have voted for Biden by post or in person, he only discouraged his own supporters. Truly he is an idiot.numbertwelve said:
And with it, the election. If he'd taken those three, he'd have won.MaxPB said:
I wouldn't go that far, all legal votes matter. Postal votes are legal so they matter.Philip_Thompson said:To put it in a way that GOPers may understand: All votes matter!
I still don't understand Trump's tirade against postal voting, it's cost him Georgia, AZ, and possibly PA too.
Discouraging people from voting seems like such a stupid strategy to win an election.
Hoist by his own petard. Lovely thought.0 -
Both the popular vote and electoral college are going to finish with clear wins for Biden, broadly comparable with previous victories for previous presidents. If that was in your forecast I apologise for missing it.HYUFD said:
My final forecast was 269 269, I said Biden would win Michigan and Arizona unlike Trafalgar in my final forecast, I was likely still wrong but not a million miles off the final result eitherAnabobazina said:
In all fairness to @HYUFD he has conceded that point a while ago I think.Beibheirli_C said:
How is Trafalgar doing?HYUFD said:Yes, at the moment it does look like Biden will be President elect, the question is now merely about his margin of victory.
If confirmed it will be a historic feat he has achieved, only the second presidential candidate alongside Ronald Reagan since 1900 to defeat an incumbent President after only 1 term of his party in the White House
The deep irony of it is that if he had trusted his own instincts and techniques and simply added the undecideds to Trump he'd be by far the richest punter on PB right now.0 -
I know. I for one was hoping it was some kind of joke.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Posted a link to the BBC article last night!FrancisUrquhart said:This could be really really serious...Wuhan but worse.
Mutated coronavirus found in Danish mink has now spread to more than 200 people
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What do the Dutch do?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-54828544
Traditionally, it's put down to the fact they tend to eat a diet high in dairy, but is it really just that?
One thing I do know: virtually everyone Dutch I've ever met is bloody tall.0 -
Backing Biden on Betfair is free money now, people laying him haven't read the rules properly, it's the 'projected winner' and Biden will be confirmed the projected winner within hours, the outcome of court cases etc etc don't count.1
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He’d have won if he’d been ill for the first debateMaxPB said:
Yes, it's actually brilliant. It's crazy how close he came to winning, if he'd fired up his base to swamp the postal vote system as well as those who wanted to vote in person I think he'd have won. There will have been enough voters in thre states who didn't vote in person but would have voted by post if they trusted the system and Trump didn't undermine its legitimacy. People voting for Biden would still have voted for Biden by post or in person, he only discouraged his own supporters. Truly he is an idiot.numbertwelve said:
And with it, the election. If he'd taken those three, he'd have won.MaxPB said:
I wouldn't go that far, all legal votes matter. Postal votes are legal so they matter.Philip_Thompson said:To put it in a way that GOPers may understand: All votes matter!
I still don't understand Trump's tirade against postal voting, it's cost him Georgia, AZ, and possibly PA too.
Discouraging people from voting seems like such a stupid strategy to win an election.
Hoist by his own petard. Lovely thought.0 -
He will leave by Saturday. Not because he concedes but to play golf in Florida.Casino_Royale said:
And, presumably, evict Donald Trump if he doesn't leave.TheScreamingEagles said:I bet Don is yelling at the Secret Service at the moment.
https://twitter.com/Lawrence/status/1324595275600519170
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At the moment Biden's winning margin in California is greater than his winning margin across the country as a whole or, to put it another way, outside California Trump has won more votes than Biden.
Doesn't matter of course but interesting all the same. I wonder how many Republicans in California don't bother to vote for the Presidency.3 -
I was drifting in and out of sleep yesterday late evening, but I am sure I heard him use the words 'ludicrous' and 'inconsistent' too. It made me smile, given how even-tempered he is all the rest of the time.Anabobazina said:
"The President says it's wrong. It's not wrong. We count votes. That's what we do in the United States of America."TimT said:
And so way more impactful when he finally lets rip into Trump.DavidL said:
I find most of CNN and Wolff Blitzer (sp?) seriously irritating, worse than the BBC but I would make an exception for John King. Clear and numerate.numbertwelve said:Can we have John King to do our graphics for election night rather than the woeful Jeremy Vine?
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My neighbour keeps bees. He seems to need a lot of pallets.Stocky said:@kinabalu FPT
I`ve been looking into beekeeping too. The thing that puts me off is that there`s a lot to learn and I`m not interested in the honey (too many calories ruin the figure).
As a first step, I`ve tried a bumble bee box (which is great except wax moths are a nuisance). You get sent a bunch of bees every spring. And I`ve now alighted on the joys of "keeping" solitary bees. Check out the link below:
https://nurturing-nature.co.uk/product/award-winning-solitary-bee-observation-nest-box/
I have about 50 solitary bee cocoons (Red Masons) this year which I am overwintering for release in April.
The Nurturing Nature website is run by George Pilkington, a biologist. He`s really helpful - very approachable. I recommend his website highly.0 -
Obviously the paint isn’t dry yet but it’s starting to run.0
