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As the counts continue it’s looking pretty certain that Biden will be heading for the White House –

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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,821
    My final comment for a while (all the betting opportunities now up). I will be back sometime next week

    If I were Trump I would have stayed silent or put out briefings that i wanted to see all the votes counted before further comment.

    Then in concession speech referenced it might all have been different if not for Covid but Congrats to Joe
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    StockyStocky Posts: 9,711

    Drutt said:

    Sean_F said:

    alex_ said:

    Anyone know when they’re bothering to start counting the mail in votes in Alaska and begin the long March towards Biden taking that one as well?

    Have you considered that the pattern of mail in votes in Alaska might not follow the same pattern as elsewhere, at least to the same extreme of polarisation that we've seen?

    Alaska is rather different to the rest of the US, especially in November, and I suspect they might do things differently there. eg. What if there are places where you can ONLY vote by mail?
    I think it is vanishingly improbable that Biden has won Alaska.
    AK Rep is 1.03 and good value at it. Hasn't been blue since LBJ.
    Georgia hasn't been blue since 1992 ... those odds are terrible value.
    The last decent reputation polls had Biden on 45% and Trump on 50% in Alaska. Not impossible I guess.
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    pingping Posts: 3,731
    Biden 1.03
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    QuincelQuincel Posts: 3,949
    isam said:
    I really don't get otherwise well-informed people who don't understand that the election result in one country doesn't have any legal impact in another. Brexit didn't happen (and I use the past tense, as we've already left the EU) because it had a sufficient level of public support in early 2020. It happened because MPs voted for legislation which enacted it, and the path to reversing it involves electing a Parliament who will vote for legislation to rejoin the EU. That is very unlikely to occur, and it hasn't become materially more likely because Trump has lost.
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,799

    Sean_F said:

    alex_ said:

    Anyone know when they’re bothering to start counting the mail in votes in Alaska and begin the long March towards Biden taking that one as well?

    Have you considered that the pattern of mail in votes in Alaska might not follow the same pattern as elsewhere, at least to the same extreme of polarisation that we've seen?

    Alaska is rather different to the rest of the US, especially in November, and I suspect they might do things differently there. eg. What if there are places where you can ONLY vote by mail?
    I think it is vanishingly improbable that Biden has won Alaska.
    Didn't you tell me that about Georgia when I said Biden was going to win it?

    (Apologies if it wasn't you.)

    Alaska is NOT a given and neither is it "vanishingly improbable".
    I doubt I said that, as I knew Trump was only 5% ahead last time.
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    OnboardG1OnboardG1 Posts: 1,277
    rcs1000 said:

    Is it me, or has Nate Cohn been a better analyser than Nate Silver this election? (At least on the night and subsequent days.)

    They get super kudos for having GA as a 56% Dem chance on their needle when it was at about 9s on Betfair.

    Check out Ryan Matsumoto. Really clued in analyst.
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    MysticroseMysticrose Posts: 4,688
    Great, albeit obvious, point by Dan Hopkins below on 538 to which I would add that this election is NOT close. It only looks that way because of how the votes were counted. It has been exciting, thrilling, but close it isn't. The only close state is Georgia and Biden has obviously won it no matter how many times Trump tries to recount. There are no hanging chads to rescue him there. Biden has, in fact, won convincingly.

    "The fact that ballots are counted sequentially lends the process of vote counting important transparency. But it can also lead us to apply inappropriate mental frames. For instance, we may resort to horse-race language that suggests that Biden is pulling ahead at the last second, but in fact these votes were all cast on or before Election Day. The illusion of a dramatic horse race is simply a product of the order in which we count votes." (Dan Hopkins 538)
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    NBC have called the Arizona senate race for the Dems.
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    OllyTOllyT Posts: 4,913
    Pro_Rata said:

    Do we figure that GA is settled yet, what with those 8000 military ballots? I know the military weren't polled breaking so much for Trump this time, but I wonder if there is still the possibility of some reverse ferret value here?

    I think RCS said that Clinton won the military vote in Georgia in 2016 so not sure Trump is going to gain much if anything from it this year.
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    isamisam Posts: 40,900
    edited November 2020

    isam said:

    MaxPB said:

    National calculated R from the ONS data is 0.9-1.1 depending on the region.

    I finally feel comfortable in saying the nation has turned a corner wrt getting the virus under control, well it did so two weeks ago and we're seeing the data for it now. Next week we should see further drops in the R and hopefully at or below 1 everywhere.

    My Dad heard from his Gardening client, whose daughter is Head of Covid at a hospital, that the vaccine is all done and dusted
    Sorry to be thick but that seems ambiguous! Done and dusted = no good OR done and dusted = ready to go?
    Sorry, ready to go
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    QuincelQuincel Posts: 3,949
    rcs1000 said:

    Is it me, or has Nate Cohn been a better analyser than Nate Silver this election? (At least on the night and subsequent days.)

    They get super kudos for having GA as a 56% Dem chance on their needle when it was at about 9s on Betfair.

    Yes, Nate Cohn was much better once votes began being counted.
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    ChrisChris Posts: 11,097
    Biden's lead in Georgia up to 1585.
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    rpjsrpjs Posts: 3,787

    Great, albeit obvious, point by Dan Hopkins below on 538 to which I would add that this election is NOT close. It only looks that way because of how the votes were counted. It has been exciting, thrilling, but close it isn't. The only close state is Georgia and Biden has obviously won it no matter how many times Trump tries to recount. There are no hanging chads to rescue him there. Biden has, in fact, won convincingly.

    "The fact that ballots are counted sequentially lends the process of vote counting important transparency. But it can also lead us to apply inappropriate mental frames. For instance, we may resort to horse-race language that suggests that Biden is pulling ahead at the last second, but in fact these votes were all cast on or before Election Day. The illusion of a dramatic horse race is simply a product of the order in which we count votes." (Dan Hopkins 538)

    I always thought it was an interesting psychological difference marker between America and Britain that in the US one runs for election but in the UK one stands.
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    Scott_xP said:
    A surprising number lasted from start to end, Pence, Mnuchin, Perdue, De Vos, Chao, Ross
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    dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 27,940
    Trump can't even steal an election competently, despite years to plan. Rather than spurious legal challenges after he falls behind, he could have had militia on the streets while he was leading.
    Thank goodness he isn't capable of strategy.
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    isamisam Posts: 40,900
    ping said:

    isam said:
    Adonis is an arse, but there now a serious problem re: brexit, no?
    I don't know, is there?

    Really, the great opportunity the referendum gave was by telling the political establishment what they were missing by only talking to themselves - that half of the country fundamentally disagreed with them. Cameron, Clegg and Miliband thought the status quo was hunky dory, but it wasn't. I don't know that they have taken any notice - Sir Keir and Boris are squabbling over small print re lockdown as if everyone is with them on that.
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,372
    eek said:

    AOC has some very valid reasons as to why the Democrats have done badly in places

    https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1324694301234921474

    That is a very good thread.
    I don't share her politics, but every argument she makes on this is correct.
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,372
    rcs1000 said:

    Is it me, or has Nate Cohn been a better analyser than Nate Silver this election? (At least on the night and subsequent days.)

    They get super kudos for having GA as a 56% Dem chance on their needle when it was at about 9s on Betfair.

    Much.
    And quicker on his calls, too.
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    alex_alex_ Posts: 7,518
    COVID patients in hospital - England: falling Scotland: level wales: rising rapidly
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    QuincelQuincel Posts: 3,949
    Pro_Rata said:

    Do we figure that GA is settled yet, what with those 8000 military ballots? I know the military weren't polled breaking so much for Trump this time, but I wonder if there is still the possibility of some reverse ferret value here?

    There aren't 8k military ballots to be counted in GA, there are 'up to' 8k. 8k of the military ballots sent out weren't returned by election day, but have a few days to arrive (if posted by election day). So some of those will arrive, but almost certainly it won't be anywhere near all of them. Most of those 8k probably never voted.

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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,222
    Big batch of AZ votes about to drop
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    AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670

    Scott_xP said:
    A surprising number lasted from start to end, Pence, Mnuchin, Perdue, De Vos, Chao, Ross
    The ones who weren't involved in committing or covering up Trump crimes.
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    rpjsrpjs Posts: 3,787
    OllyT said:

    Pro_Rata said:

    Do we figure that GA is settled yet, what with those 8000 military ballots? I know the military weren't polled breaking so much for Trump this time, but I wonder if there is still the possibility of some reverse ferret value here?

    I think RCS said that Clinton won the military vote in Georgia in 2016 so not sure Trump is going to gain much if anything from it this year.
    Yes, the American military trends, as @Dura_Ace pointed out, more towards highly educated specialists than most militaries. And Trump's "losers and suckers" assessment of the boys and girls in pinks, greens, khaki and blue won't have helped him any.
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    Great, albeit obvious, point by Dan Hopkins below on 538 to which I would add that this election is NOT close. It only looks that way because of how the votes were counted. It has been exciting, thrilling, but close it isn't. The only close state is Georgia and Biden has obviously won it no matter how many times Trump tries to recount. There are no hanging chads to rescue him there. Biden has, in fact, won convincingly.

    "The fact that ballots are counted sequentially lends the process of vote counting important transparency. But it can also lead us to apply inappropriate mental frames. For instance, we may resort to horse-race language that suggests that Biden is pulling ahead at the last second, but in fact these votes were all cast on or before Election Day. The illusion of a dramatic horse race is simply a product of the order in which we count votes." (Dan Hopkins 538)

    And in some states a deliberate illusion caused by Republicans themselves.
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    AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    dixiedean said:

    Trump can't even steal an election competently, despite years to plan. Rather than spurious legal challenges after he falls behind, he could have had militia on the streets while he was leading.
    Thank goodness he isn't capable of strategy.

    Some people have advanced the notion is that he doesn't get to be counted as a Fascist because he didn't get well enough organised.
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    Scott_xP said:
    Simpler than that. Boris hasn't been f**ked enough to think about it, so no instructions have been given to Frost, so he's held his previous position.
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    Mal557Mal557 Posts: 662
    Quincel said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Is it me, or has Nate Cohn been a better analyser than Nate Silver this election? (At least on the night and subsequent days.)

    They get super kudos for having GA as a 56% Dem chance on their needle when it was at about 9s on Betfair.

    Yes, Nate Cohn was much better once votes began being counted.
    I agree I find Cohn pretty balanced in his reporting and very little hyperbole. And I loved the needle.
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    My final comment for a while (all the betting opportunities now up). I will be back sometime next week

    If I were Trump I would have stayed silent or put out briefings that i wanted to see all the votes counted before further comment.

    Then in concession speech referenced it might all have been different if not for Covid but Congrats to Joe

    Ahh, but you are not Trump, being sane and all.
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,372
    edited November 2020
    Note that China appears to have been prompter than this in sharing data...

    https://twitter.com/_b_meyer/status/1324687427332702208
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,903
    Alistair said:

    Re. North Carolina and Alaska, here's from the 538 live blog. I don't think Alaska is over. Actually neither of them are entirely.

    "You might be wondering about North Carolina and Alaska, two unprojected states that we haven’t heard a peep from in days. Well, there’s a good reason for that: Both states accept absentee ballots that arrive as late as next week, and they won’t provide any updates until Nov. 10 (in Alaska) and Nov. 12 or 13 (in North Carolina). In fact, Alaska hasn’t released any absentee-ballot results yet, so that state (and its surprisingly competitive Senate race) is still up in the air."

    And whatever Thom Tillis thinks, he hasn't yet defeated Cal Cunningham for the Senate. The Alaska Senate race is also not a given.

    If the Dems end up with a 1 seat majority in the Senate with a double run off in Georgia to come I will laugh my cock off.
    How far off 50% is Purdue - could a recount change that ?
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    OnboardG1 said:
    The second lockdown has probably had a bigger effect.

    The same people he's fucked off with that would be even more fucked off with a deal, and he doesn't want to do both at the same time and generate letters.

    So I think he'll try and can kick a decision until we come out of lockdown and he has some good news.

    I think this will go all the way to the wire and only be settled in the week before Christmas. Hopefully, the EU and UK will then agree the final FTA can-kicks any changes for 6 months so The Transition ends but we have a transition (small t) into the new deal.
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    ChrisChris Posts: 11,097
    Chris said:

    Biden's lead in Georgia up to 1585.

    Possibly I have this wrong, but that change in Georgia seems to imply a Biden lead of 489 in just 651 ballots.
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    OnboardG1OnboardG1 Posts: 1,277
    Nigelb said:

    eek said:

    AOC has some very valid reasons as to why the Democrats have done badly in places

    https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1324694301234921474

    That is a very good thread.
    I don't share her politics, but every argument she makes on this is correct.
    They should make her head of digital campaigning. She is really fucking good at it.
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    Alistair said:

    dixiedean said:

    Trump can't even steal an election competently, despite years to plan. Rather than spurious legal challenges after he falls behind, he could have had militia on the streets while he was leading.
    Thank goodness he isn't capable of strategy.

    Some people have advanced the notion is that he doesn't get to be counted as a Fascist because he didn't get well enough organised.
    That seems fair enough.
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    Mal557Mal557 Posts: 662
    OllyT said:

    Pro_Rata said:

    Do we figure that GA is settled yet, what with those 8000 military ballots? I know the military weren't polled breaking so much for Trump this time, but I wonder if there is still the possibility of some reverse ferret value here?

    I think RCS said that Clinton won the military vote in Georgia in 2016 so not sure Trump is going to gain much if anything from it this year.
    GA looks pretty solid now for Biden, dont see the ex pat/military making much difference in the result , more the margin of victory. Aslo they dont even know how many have actually been received or will be today (the last day) so may well be a fair bit less than the was it 9000? mentioned. And with a few thousand lead at least, unlikely a recount will change that, though god knows what other mischief Trump will raise about GA.
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    TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 41,245
    edited November 2020
    I'm just pondering the 78-yr olds I know.

    Not many of them have the energy to do much at all (some of course do). Some are super active, but to be POTUS? Seems a big ask. Although I accept that to be there, Biden was self-selecting in terms of health, fitness, etc.

    Edit: I suppose HMQ and the DoE showed that people can be effective up to a great age.
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    23,287 new cases.

    Legal or illegal?
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    Nigelb said:

    Note that China appears to have been prompter than this in sharing data...

    /twitter.com/_b_meyer/status/1324687427332702208

    With all the other news, the potentially huge news out of Denmark isn't getting that much coverage. We could literally be stuck in the current loop for entity.
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    Mal557Mal557 Posts: 662
    10K gain for Biden in NV, the Clarke County numbers will only be go up more now
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    Nevada vote dump. Biden increases lead to over 20k.
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    Mal557Mal557 Posts: 662
    Scott_xP said:
    He said that last night too, but nice to have it confirmed again
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    AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    Nevada: I've seen enough.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,274
    edited November 2020
    Deep state been printing votes all night in NV ;-)
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,799
    Checking, I think the Democrats need to outpoll the Republicans 71/29 in the outstanding votes to win Alaska. Anything can happen of course, but I don't know why Alaska would shift dramatically from 2016.
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    Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 7,524
    Well, now it's pretty much over I will admit a) my prediction of a Biden landslide was completely wrong, and b) I really don't care as long as Trump is gone.

    (Any anyway, I think I only called three states wrong (Texas, Ohio, Florida), so I was pretty close really). :)
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    Mal557Mal557 Posts: 662
    McSally officially out in AZ, no surprise ofc
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    Awe I missed PA crossover. All over now it seems, they have to start calling states soon I find it hard to believe nothing's been called yet - especially NV.
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    OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 31,924
    edited November 2020
    TOPPING said:

    I'm just pondering the 78-yr olds I know.

    Not many of them have the energy to do much at all (some of course do). Some are super active, but to be POTUS? Seems a big ask. Although I accept that to be there, Biden was self-selecting in terms of health, fitness, etc.

    Edit: I suppose HMQ and the DoE showed that people can be effective up to a great age.

    What do you reckon Big G; should you & I make a joint offer!
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    Alistair said:

    Nevada: I've seen enough.

    Trump: We've all seen enough.
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,799
    Pulpstar said:

    Alistair said:

    Re. North Carolina and Alaska, here's from the 538 live blog. I don't think Alaska is over. Actually neither of them are entirely.

    "You might be wondering about North Carolina and Alaska, two unprojected states that we haven’t heard a peep from in days. Well, there’s a good reason for that: Both states accept absentee ballots that arrive as late as next week, and they won’t provide any updates until Nov. 10 (in Alaska) and Nov. 12 or 13 (in North Carolina). In fact, Alaska hasn’t released any absentee-ballot results yet, so that state (and its surprisingly competitive Senate race) is still up in the air."

    And whatever Thom Tillis thinks, he hasn't yet defeated Cal Cunningham for the Senate. The Alaska Senate race is also not a given.

    If the Dems end up with a 1 seat majority in the Senate with a double run off in Georgia to come I will laugh my cock off.
    How far off 50% is Purdue - could a recount change that ?
    Perdue will probably be about 0.5% short, and 2% ahead of Ossoff.
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    AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    Sean_F said:

    Checking, I think the Democrats need to outpoll the Republicans 71/29 in the outstanding votes to win Alaska. Anything can happen of course, but I don't know why Alaska would shift dramatically from 2016.

    If everyone who voted by mail in 2016 voted by mail this time then the extra 2020 ballots over 2016 would need to be 100% Dem for Biden to get that ratio and win.
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    Awe I missed PA crossover. All over now it seems, they have to start calling states soon I find it hard to believe nothing's been called yet - especially NV.

    No reason to hold off calling NV now.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 53,921
    Nigelb said:

    Note that China appears to have been prompter than this in sharing data...

    https://twitter.com/_b_meyer/status/1324687427332702208

    Do you think the Danes are hiding something?
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    MysticroseMysticrose Posts: 4,688
    They're preparing the dais for Biden's winning speech later
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    Unperson. Who'd want to be represented by Depp after that court case?

    Pirates of the Caribbean will need a new lead pirate if there's any more films.
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    turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 15,120
    OnboardG1 said:
    The story that No 10 were waiting on the US election result before finalising has the ring of truth. I also sense that for all the talk, they do want/need a deal to be done.
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    Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 32,863
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    OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 31,924
    edited November 2020
    I suggest that the only role the military will have in this election is to escort ex-President Trump out of the Oval Office on Jan 20th.
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    TimTTimT Posts: 6,328
    Been busy this morning. How is it going in NV and AZ? Are we comfortable Biden will take both, or will Trump squeeze by in AZ?
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    AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    My call of 2% Biden win in Nevada may be too low!
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    TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 41,245

    TOPPING said:

    I'm just pondering the 78-yr olds I know.

    Not many of them have the energy to do much at all (some of course do). Some are super active, but to be POTUS? Seems a big ask. Although I accept that to be there, Biden was self-selecting in terms of health, fitness, etc.

    Edit: I suppose HMQ and the DoE showed that people can be effective up to a great age.

    What do you reckon Big G; should you & I make a joint offer!
    I reckon you'd stroll it.

    But if you look at UK PMs, they age by about 20yrs in the 5yrs of PM-ship.
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    20 January he is out. Secret Service will remove him if need be.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,961
    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    I'm just pondering the 78-yr olds I know.

    Not many of them have the energy to do much at all (some of course do). Some are super active, but to be POTUS? Seems a big ask. Although I accept that to be there, Biden was self-selecting in terms of health, fitness, etc.

    Edit: I suppose HMQ and the DoE showed that people can be effective up to a great age.

    What do you reckon Big G; should you & I make a joint offer!
    I reckon you'd stroll it.

    But if you look at UK PMs, they age by about 20yrs in the 5yrs of PM-ship.
    The before/after photos of Obama are quite striking. Definitely a stressful position.
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    OnboardG1OnboardG1 Posts: 1,277

    Nigelb said:

    Note that China appears to have been prompter than this in sharing data...

    /twitter.com/_b_meyer/status/1324687427332702208

    With all the other news, the potentially huge news out of Denmark isn't getting that much coverage. We could literally be stuck in the current loop for entity.
    I read through the thread there and the assessment in Derek Lowe’s blog. The TLDR is that “this is potentially an issue but we don’t know how big, so we’re going to stomp on it really hard and remove the animal vector that could cause more mutations”. The media seems to have taken the story a little too far. The fire alarm has been pulled because of a fire in the store room, nit because the factory floor is in flames.
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    Oregon has become the first US state to decriminalise possession of hard drugs including cocaine, heroin and methamphetamine, in small quantities.

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/measure-110-oregon-votes-to-decriminalise-possession-of-small-amounts-of-hard-drugs-g697p606m

    They don't seem to bother prosecuting loads of crimes as it is, so might as well get them off the books.
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    AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    Sean_F said:

    Checking, I think the Democrats need to outpoll the Republicans 71/29 in the outstanding votes to win Alaska. Anything can happen of course, but I don't know why Alaska would shift dramatically from 2016.

    Trump's favourably numbers in Alaska collapsed over 2019.
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,372
    OnboardG1 said:

    Nigelb said:

    eek said:

    AOC has some very valid reasons as to why the Democrats have done badly in places

    https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1324694301234921474

    That is a very good thread.
    I don't share her politics, but every argument she makes on this is correct.
    They should make her head of digital campaigning. She is really fucking good at it.
    She is an enormously impressive politician.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,943
    He has a net worth of $200 million so could never work another day in his life and still have plenty to spare
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,372

    I suggest that the only role the military will have in this election is to escort ex-President Trump out of the Oval Office on Jan 20th.

    No; that would probably be the Secret Service.
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    LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 15,098
    dixiedean said:

    Trump can't even steal an election competently, despite years to plan. Rather than spurious legal challenges after he falls behind, he could have had militia on the streets while he was leading.
    Thank goodness he isn't capable of strategy.

    This is what I was most wrong about. I never thought that Trump would be sending direct orders to the militia, but I expected that the protests we've seen at the count centres would have been armed and stormed them without direct orders.

    It's not happened.

    Trump was leading in the vote counts in enough states to get to 270 on Wednesday. In my nightmare scenario the counts would have been stopped by force and declared by state legislatures on the basis of the partial counts.
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    AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    TimT said:

    Been busy this morning. How is it going in NV and AZ? Are we comfortable Biden will take both, or will Trump squeeze by in AZ?

    It's over in both of them
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    TimTTimT Posts: 6,328
    Mal557 said:

    OllyT said:

    Pro_Rata said:

    Do we figure that GA is settled yet, what with those 8000 military ballots? I know the military weren't polled breaking so much for Trump this time, but I wonder if there is still the possibility of some reverse ferret value here?

    I think RCS said that Clinton won the military vote in Georgia in 2016 so not sure Trump is going to gain much if anything from it this year.
    GA looks pretty solid now for Biden, dont see the ex pat/military making much difference in the result , more the margin of victory. Aslo they dont even know how many have actually been received or will be today (the last day) so may well be a fair bit less than the was it 9000? mentioned. And with a few thousand lead at least, unlikely a recount will change that, though god knows what other mischief Trump will raise about GA.
    If you look at the GA map, Columbus is Blue. That is Fort Benning. Savannah is Blue. That is Fort Gordon. Draw you own conclusions.
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,372
    But his logic is wandering off into the distance.
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    ChrisChris Posts: 11,097
    Biden's lead in Pennsylvania reduced to 8867.
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    MysticroseMysticrose Posts: 4,688

    dixiedean said:

    Trump can't even steal an election competently, despite years to plan. Rather than spurious legal challenges after he falls behind, he could have had militia on the streets while he was leading.
    Thank goodness he isn't capable of strategy.

    This is what I was most wrong about. I never thought that Trump would be sending direct orders to the militia, but I expected that the protests we've seen at the count centres would have been armed and stormed them without direct orders.

    It's not happened.

    Trump was leading in the vote counts in enough states to get to 270 on Wednesday. In my nightmare scenario the counts would have been stopped by force and declared by state legislatures on the basis of the partial counts.
    It's quite a robust democracy really isn't it, whatever Trump has tried? I love the way officials, even courts, have ignored him almost completely during the counting.

    The system has faults but there are a lot of checks and balances in place to protect freedom.

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    How likely is it that Biden breaches 52%+ of the vote once everything is in?

    I think he's at 50.5% at the moment and I could see him getting damn close once California and all the absentees are in.

    It's 3.15 on Betfair. Following a tip from @Quincel on Twitter a while back I've put a couple of ponies on it.

    It feels like it's more like evens.
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    turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 15,120
    HYUFD said:

    He has a net worth of $200 million so could never work another day in his life and still have plenty to spare
    Possibly true, but some folk spend what they have, and lead hugely extravagant lifestyles.
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    Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 26,455

    How likely is it that Biden breaches 52%+ of the vote once everything is in?

    I think he's at 50.5% at the moment and I could see him getting damn close once California and all the absentees are in.

    It's 3.15 on Betfair. Following a tip from @Quincel on Twitter a while back I've put a couple of ponies on it.

    It feels like it's more like evens.

    It's 50/50 IMO.
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    MysticroseMysticrose Posts: 4,688

    How likely is it that Biden breaches 52%+ of the vote once everything is in?

    I think he's at 50.5% at the moment and I could see him getting damn close once California and all the absentees are in.

    It's 3.15 on Betfair. Following a tip from @Quincel on Twitter a while back I've put a couple of ponies on it.

    It feels like it's more like evens.

    After the other night I don't think anyone would ever again dare go against one of your tips :wink::smiley:
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,274
    edited November 2020
    Portland really needs serious action...the violence is still going every night and they are targeting elected officials for daring to vote the wrong way.

    The group gathered on North Holman Street at the home of Portland City Commissioner Dan Ryan. While there, individuals broke a window, threw burning flares and paint filled balloons at the home, and broke potted plants.

    https://flashalert.net/id/MCSO/139816
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    JACK_WJACK_W Posts: 651
    Alistair said:

    My call of 2% Biden win in Nevada may be too low!

    I put it at 5-7%. Might be a tad high.
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    OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 31,924
    And not only in USA.
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    CNN still have it as 253 which is really silly. 306+ is pretty much nailed on now.

    Have Fox called it yet? I wonder who will call it first?
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    MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 44,224
    UK LLTA data

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