Johnson gets negative satisfaction ratings from Tory party members – politicalbetting.com
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Tenet is the only release over the summer I've come acrossLuckyguy1983 said:
To be fair, I've seen no advertising from cinemas - I'd have thought being a reasonably safe form of public entertainment (sitting facing one way in a socially distant fashion) they'd have fought a bit more.FrancisUrquhart said:The Prime Minister has urged people to return to cinemas following news Cineworld is temporarily closing its UK and US venues, affecting 45,000 jobs.
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I find it difficult to figure out the official explanation for these various voter suppression methods (never mind the actual motivation behind them).Alistair said:Filed under LOL Democracy
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The 6 Senate polls conducted in the state over the past month have all been neck and neck. Yet strangely, 538 still have Graham winning by 6%.Philip_Thompson said:
He's been bricking it and virtually begging on live TV for weeks. Couldn't happen to a nicer guy.Alistair said:
If I was Lindsey Graham I would be bricking it right now.Nigelb said:
It could be Lindsey Graham’s personal vote.Alistair said:
They have masks on so Dem voters.Pulpstar said:2 hour queue for early voting in Myrtle beach, South Carolina
https://twitter.com/mejay227/status/1313142682991108101
They turned out early to vote against him.0 -
I think that rather makes my point - you've got to hope that a maverick general decides to disobey the law.Philip_Thompson said:
Generals have said the opposite.Stark_Dawning said:
Not according to this:Malmesbury said:
There is a 2 man rule at each stage in the chain - the Presidents launch order has to be verified by the Sec. Def.Stark_Dawning said:
There is a chain, but if the president says 'Fire' then everyone beneath him is obliged to go through with it. (If the president has gone nuts then your only hope is that someone realizes it and decides to disobey orders.) It was designed like that because you can't have a functioning deterrent, what with the small timespan you have to react, if it has to be agreed by committee.eristdoof said:
There is a chain, and the president is part of that chain. If the president suddenly decides to bomb Kuala Lumpur just for fun, it's not going to happen.SirNorfolkPassmore said:
I've always assumed there are, in reality, some layers of checks on this. It's always possible any President (or PM) has some sort of breakdown or psychotic episode, and that they couldn't in practice just launch a nuclear missile at 2am on a wet Tuesday.nichomar said:
The military Will have disconnected his box and changed the codesRichard_Nabavi said:Trump is in charge of an arsenal which could destroy a large chunk of mankind in minutes. The fact that he is being prescribed a drug which can induce psychosis and mania is deeply worrying.
I'm not surprised they don't publicise what the procedures are precisely, but I'd be surprised (as well as terrified) if it was quite such a simple process as one man tapping in some codes.
Note that the secretary of defense does not confirm the president’s decision, nor does he or she have a right to veto it, nor does anyone else have the authority to override the decision. This is what Elaine Scarry has identified as, in effect, a “thermonuclear monarchy,” which gives the US president almost carte blanche command over the nuclear forces.
https://www.wagingpeace.org/protocol-u-s-nuclear-strike/
Yes, the site has an anti-nuke agenda, but that's what I've always understood from other sources.
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Bill and Ted 3?Pulpstar said:
Tenet is the only release over the summer I've come acrossLuckyguy1983 said:
To be fair, I've seen no advertising from cinemas - I'd have thought being a reasonably safe form of public entertainment (sitting facing one way in a socially distant fashion) they'd have fought a bit more.FrancisUrquhart said:The Prime Minister has urged people to return to cinemas following news Cineworld is temporarily closing its UK and US venues, affecting 45,000 jobs.
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These people think this is a game, don’t they?Alistair said:Filed under LOL Democracy
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Ohio goes into the Trump column.Alistair said:Filed under LOL Democracy
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Biden was +9 in the previous Siena for Arizona, so a 1% drop back but I don't think that will keep Joe awake tonite.Wulfrun_Phil said:
Also an A+ rated pollster by 538, with about half the polling coming after Trump had fessed up to catching the plague, so another pointer to Trump going backwards nationally.nico679 said:New NY Times/Siena poll for Arizona .
Biden 49
Trump 41
The sample had a 2016 recall vote of plus 6 for Trump which is bigger than the actual result of plus 4.1 -
I think it's important to understand that all that dreadful Holocaust bothering that we do over here, is just a function of us being a freedom hating country, unlike freedom loving Blighty.williamglenn said:
So it's just a matter of common sense and decency that you shouldn't suffer from such a dreadful impingement on the right to free speech.
Hail Lozza.0 -
I kind of hope that at the end of the line is a bloke with a box of matches looking at the blue touch paper and saying to himself 'Let's just wait a bit shall we?'SirNorfolkPassmore said:
I've always assumed there are, in reality, some layers of checks on this. It's always possible any President (or PM) has some sort of breakdown or psychotic episode, and that they couldn't in practice just launch a nuclear missile at 2am on a wet Tuesday.nichomar said:
The military Will have disconnected his box and changed the codesRichard_Nabavi said:Trump is in charge of an arsenal which could destroy a large chunk of mankind in minutes. The fact that he is being prescribed a drug which can induce psychosis and mania is deeply worrying.
I'm not surprised they don't publicise what the procedures are precisely, but I'd be surprised (as well as terrified) if it was quite such a simple process as one man tapping in some codes.
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Dems need to hammer the message if the WH can’t control the virus under its own roof how can you trust them to get control of it nationally .
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He must have been furious for years that swastikas couldn't be shown in videogames too. ALthough in fairness that was mostly just amusing.matthiasfromhamburg said:
I think it's important to understand that all that dreadful Holocaust bothering that we do over here, is just a function of us being a freedom hating country, unlike freedom loving Blighty.williamglenn said:
So it's just a matter of common sense and decency that you shouldn't suffer from such a dreadful impingement on the right to free speech.
Hail Lozza.0 -
I notice that pertinent fact is being omitted from the media reports on this.MaxPB said:
What's hilarious about it is that it was a black guy who came up with the workout routine. 😆kinabalu said:Talk about not quite "getting" the historical weight of anti-black racism -
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That's understating it a tad. If Trump is up by just 4 in Ohio in any poll, he's already wading through a field of cow manure, given that he won there by 8 there in 2016. If he's up by just 4 in Ohio in a Trafalgar poll, he's fallen into the silage tank.TimT said:If Trump is up by just 4 in Ohio in a Trafalgar Group poll, he is in deep shit:
https://www.thetrafalgargroup.org/news/oh-pres-1020/
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Trafalgar polls are not worth a great deal.contrarian said:
Trafalgar has Trump over Hillary by four in 2016 too but closer to the vote (24 October), for what its worth.Pulpstar said:
Trump was forecast to win Ohio.contrarian said:
How was Hillary doing in Ohio at the same juncture I wonder......Up a couple....??Pulpstar said:
That was my thought too.TimT said:If Trump is up by just 4 in Ohio in a Trafalgar Group poll, he is in deep shit:
https://www.thetrafalgargroup.org/news/oh-pres-1020/
And look at those undecideds.....
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/ohio/
Tossup this time round:
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2020-election-forecast/ohio/
If they failed to show cross-tables, but were broadly in line with other pollsters, they'd have some credibility; or, if they did show sensible cross-tables and were out of line with other pollsters, you would again say they may have some merit. But they are miles out from everyone else and don't show workings, so it's in the round filing cabinet for them.2 -
Yes, just seen it, good but complicated plot like most Nolan films.Pulpstar said:
Tenet is the only release over the summer I've come acrossLuckyguy1983 said:
To be fair, I've seen no advertising from cinemas - I'd have thought being a reasonably safe form of public entertainment (sitting facing one way in a socially distant fashion) they'd have fought a bit more.FrancisUrquhart said:The Prime Minister has urged people to return to cinemas following news Cineworld is temporarily closing its UK and US venues, affecting 45,000 jobs.
https://www.bbc.com/news/business-54387856
The next big release is Death on the Nile in December I believe0 -
Will the Reclaim party be a refuge for disenfranchised Momentum members? Answers in a tweet to Lozza's twitter timeline, please.kle4 said:
He must have been furious for years that swastikas couldn't be shown in videogames too. ALthough in fairness that was mostly just amusing.matthiasfromhamburg said:
I think it's important to understand that all that dreadful Holocaust bothering that we do over here, is just a function of us being a freedom hating country, unlike freedom loving Blighty.williamglenn said:
So it's just a matter of common sense and decency that you shouldn't suffer from such a dreadful impingement on the right to free speech.
Hail Lozza.0 -
Ohio is of course the key swing state, the only state to have voted for the winner in every Presidential election since 1960.TimT said:If Trump is up by just 4 in Ohio in a Trafalgar Group poll, he is in deep shit:
https://www.thetrafalgargroup.org/news/oh-pres-1020/
Now that could change this year and Biden could win the Electoral College with Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin or 2 of those plus Arizona but he would be the first candidate to win the Presidency having lost Ohio since Kennedy.
So I would say Trump being up by 4% in Ohio is good news for the President in the sense he is unlikely to lose by a landslide but bad news for the President in the sense it is still not enough for him to win1 -
How much UNS or how little UNS are we thinking we'll see on November 3rd?0
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As a reminder people,Peter_the_Punter said:
Biden was +9 in the previous Siena for Arizona, so a 1% drop back but I don't think that will keep Joe awake tonite.Wulfrun_Phil said:
Also an A+ rated pollster by 538, with about half the polling coming after Trump had fessed up to catching the plague, so another pointer to Trump going backwards nationally.nico679 said:New NY Times/Siena poll for Arizona .
Biden 49
Trump 41
The sample had a 2016 recall vote of plus 6 for Trump which is bigger than the actual result of plus 4.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/us/trump-vs-biden-top-battleground-states-2020-vs-2016/
OK, it's RCP so I realise they may not have the polls but...0 -
Wrong, Trafalgar Group are the gold standard pollsters for the Electoral College at the moment, the only pollster to correctly have had Trump ahead in Michigan and Pennsylvania in 2016.Peter_the_Punter said:
Trafalgar polls are not worth a great deal.contrarian said:
Trafalgar has Trump over Hillary by four in 2016 too but closer to the vote (24 October), for what its worth.Pulpstar said:
Trump was forecast to win Ohio.contrarian said:
How was Hillary doing in Ohio at the same juncture I wonder......Up a couple....??Pulpstar said:
That was my thought too.TimT said:If Trump is up by just 4 in Ohio in a Trafalgar Group poll, he is in deep shit:
https://www.thetrafalgargroup.org/news/oh-pres-1020/
And look at those undecideds.....
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/ohio/
Tossup this time round:
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2020-election-forecast/ohio/
If they failed to show cross-tables, but were broadly in line with other pollsters, they'd have some credibility; or, if they did show sensible cross-tables and were out of line with other pollsters, you would again say they may have some merit. But they are miles out from everyone else and don't show workings, so it's in the round filing cabinet for them.
They are the Survation of US pollsters, Survation of course being the only pollster to get 2017 right and 2019 right (and 2015 in their final non released poll)0 -
slurry tank. Silage is just grass and black treacle.Wulfrun_Phil said:
That's understating it a tad. If Trump is up by just 4 in Ohio in any poll, he's already wading through a field of cow manure, given that he won there by 8 there in 2016. If he's up by just 4 in Ohio in a Trafalgar poll, he's fallen into the silage tank.TimT said:If Trump is up by just 4 in Ohio in a Trafalgar Group poll, he is in deep shit:
https://www.thetrafalgargroup.org/news/oh-pres-1020/0 -
The last film I went to see in the cinema was the South Korean blockbuster in February. It was very good. (Forgotten the name of it).kle4 said:
Bill and Ted 3?Pulpstar said:
Tenet is the only release over the summer I've come acrossLuckyguy1983 said:
To be fair, I've seen no advertising from cinemas - I'd have thought being a reasonably safe form of public entertainment (sitting facing one way in a socially distant fashion) they'd have fought a bit more.FrancisUrquhart said:The Prime Minister has urged people to return to cinemas following news Cineworld is temporarily closing its UK and US venues, affecting 45,000 jobs.
https://www.bbc.com/news/business-543878560 -
Parasite.Andy_JS said:
The last film I went to see in the cinema was the South Korean blockbuster in February. It was very good. (Forgotten the name of it).kle4 said:
Bill and Ted 3?Pulpstar said:
Tenet is the only release over the summer I've come acrossLuckyguy1983 said:
To be fair, I've seen no advertising from cinemas - I'd have thought being a reasonably safe form of public entertainment (sitting facing one way in a socially distant fashion) they'd have fought a bit more.FrancisUrquhart said:The Prime Minister has urged people to return to cinemas following news Cineworld is temporarily closing its UK and US venues, affecting 45,000 jobs.
https://www.bbc.com/news/business-543878562 -
Odd but very goodTheScreamingEagles said:
Parasite.Andy_JS said:
The last film I went to see in the cinema was the South Korean blockbuster in February. It was very good. (Forgotten the name of it).kle4 said:
Bill and Ted 3?Pulpstar said:
Tenet is the only release over the summer I've come acrossLuckyguy1983 said:
To be fair, I've seen no advertising from cinemas - I'd have thought being a reasonably safe form of public entertainment (sitting facing one way in a socially distant fashion) they'd have fought a bit more.FrancisUrquhart said:The Prime Minister has urged people to return to cinemas following news Cineworld is temporarily closing its UK and US venues, affecting 45,000 jobs.
https://www.bbc.com/news/business-543878560 -
I wonder if WE should have a criminal offence of "racist legacy of Empire" denial. 30 days in Ford Open. Focus on rehabilitation rather than punishment.0
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Why is that hilarious? Please explain.MaxPB said:
What's hilarious about it is that it was a black guy who came up with the workout routine. 😆kinabalu said:Talk about not quite "getting" the historical weight of anti-black racism -
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Seems a bit of an overreaction if you ask me.TheScreamingEagles said:
Parasite.Andy_JS said:
The last film I went to see in the cinema was the South Korean blockbuster in February. It was very good. (Forgotten the name of it).kle4 said:
Bill and Ted 3?Pulpstar said:
Tenet is the only release over the summer I've come acrossLuckyguy1983 said:
To be fair, I've seen no advertising from cinemas - I'd have thought being a reasonably safe form of public entertainment (sitting facing one way in a socially distant fashion) they'd have fought a bit more.FrancisUrquhart said:The Prime Minister has urged people to return to cinemas following news Cineworld is temporarily closing its UK and US venues, affecting 45,000 jobs.
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Well, that's the C- rated Trafalgar so perhaps the truism a broken clock is right twice a day can apply to pollsters as well.HYUFD said:
Ohio is of course the key swing state, the only state to have voted for the winner in every Presidential election since 1960.TimT said:If Trump is up by just 4 in Ohio in a Trafalgar Group poll, he is in deep shit:
https://www.thetrafalgargroup.org/news/oh-pres-1020/
Now that could change this year and Biden could win the Electoral College with Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin or 2 of those plus Arizona but he would be the first candidate to win the Presidency having lost Ohio since Kennedy.
So I would say Trump being up by 4% in Ohio is good news for the President in the sense he is unlikely to lose by a landslide but bad news for the President in the sense it is still not enough for him to win
With their in-built Republican bias a 4-point for Trump in a state he won by 8 last time suggests a 2% swing to Biden and a national lead of 6 points.
The A+ New York Times/Siena pollster puts Biden 8 ahead in Arizona:
https://int.nyt.com/data/documenttools/az100120-crosstabs/a77605c32cd8f31e/full.pdf
The Senate battle looks to be turning against McSally with Kelly establishing a solid lead.
Delaware is no one's idea of a battleground state. In 2016, Clinton won by 12 and a poll by the University of Delaware (albeit an old poll with sampling with 21/9 to 27/9) has Biden up by 21 s0o a 4.5% swing to the Democrats suggesting a double digit national lead.1 -
Seems a bit harsh. Or do you know something extra about Andy’s circumstances?TheScreamingEagles said:
Parasite.Andy_JS said:
The last film I went to see in the cinema was the South Korean blockbuster in February. It was very good. (Forgotten the name of it).kle4 said:
Bill and Ted 3?Pulpstar said:
Tenet is the only release over the summer I've come acrossLuckyguy1983 said:
To be fair, I've seen no advertising from cinemas - I'd have thought being a reasonably safe form of public entertainment (sitting facing one way in a socially distant fashion) they'd have fought a bit more.FrancisUrquhart said:The Prime Minister has urged people to return to cinemas following news Cineworld is temporarily closing its UK and US venues, affecting 45,000 jobs.
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He called it that. PureGym probably thought they were in the clear with the wokerati because of that but didn't account for faux offence taken by liberal whites on behalf of other races.kinabalu said:
Why is that hilarious? Please explain.MaxPB said:
What's hilarious about it is that it was a black guy who came up with the workout routine. 😆kinabalu said:Talk about not quite "getting" the historical weight of anti-black racism -
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-544197601 -
As long as you ignore all the polling they got wrong then they are indeed very good.HYUFD said:
Wrong, Trafalgar Group are the gold standard pollsters for the Electoral College at the moment, the only pollster to correctly have had Trump ahead in Michigan and Pennsylvania in 2016.Peter_the_Punter said:
Trafalgar polls are not worth a great deal.contrarian said:
Trafalgar has Trump over Hillary by four in 2016 too but closer to the vote (24 October), for what its worth.Pulpstar said:
Trump was forecast to win Ohio.contrarian said:
How was Hillary doing in Ohio at the same juncture I wonder......Up a couple....??Pulpstar said:
That was my thought too.TimT said:If Trump is up by just 4 in Ohio in a Trafalgar Group poll, he is in deep shit:
https://www.thetrafalgargroup.org/news/oh-pres-1020/
And look at those undecideds.....
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/ohio/
Tossup this time round:
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2020-election-forecast/ohio/
If they failed to show cross-tables, but were broadly in line with other pollsters, they'd have some credibility; or, if they did show sensible cross-tables and were out of line with other pollsters, you would again say they may have some merit. But they are miles out from everyone else and don't show workings, so it's in the round filing cabinet for them.
They are the Survation of US pollsters, Survation of course being the only pollster to get 2017 right and 2019 right (and 2015 in their final non released poll)
The only pollster to pickup the 18-24 year old demo breaking heavily for Trump.1 -
You're chasing your own tail.HYUFD said:
Wrong, Trafalgar Group are the gold standard pollsters for the Electoral College at the moment, the only pollster to correctly have had Trump ahead in Michigan and Pennsylvania in 2016.Peter_the_Punter said:
Trafalgar polls are not worth a great deal.contrarian said:
Trafalgar has Trump over Hillary by four in 2016 too but closer to the vote (24 October), for what its worth.Pulpstar said:
Trump was forecast to win Ohio.contrarian said:
How was Hillary doing in Ohio at the same juncture I wonder......Up a couple....??Pulpstar said:
That was my thought too.TimT said:If Trump is up by just 4 in Ohio in a Trafalgar Group poll, he is in deep shit:
https://www.thetrafalgargroup.org/news/oh-pres-1020/
And look at those undecideds.....
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/ohio/
Tossup this time round:
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2020-election-forecast/ohio/
If they failed to show cross-tables, but were broadly in line with other pollsters, they'd have some credibility; or, if they did show sensible cross-tables and were out of line with other pollsters, you would again say they may have some merit. But they are miles out from everyone else and don't show workings, so it's in the round filing cabinet for them.
They are the Survation of US pollsters, Survation of course being the only pollster to get 2017 right and 2019 right (and 2015 in their final non released poll)0 -
Ironic that it turns out the true "demented vegetable" is NOT Biden, but instead Trumpsky.contrarian said:
whereas Joe Biden....Jonathan said:To be fair, would you trust Trump to remember the code. Then again, that’s worrying too. He has probably written it down or changed it to 1vanka.
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Or perhaps the middenIshmaelZ said:
slurry tank. Silage is just grass and black treacle.Wulfrun_Phil said:
That's understating it a tad. If Trump is up by just 4 in Ohio in any poll, he's already wading through a field of cow manure, given that he won there by 8 there in 2016. If he's up by just 4 in Ohio in a Trafalgar poll, he's fallen into the silage tank.TimT said:If Trump is up by just 4 in Ohio in a Trafalgar Group poll, he is in deep shit:
https://www.thetrafalgargroup.org/news/oh-pres-1020/0 -
He could redeem himself by explaining it only refers to white slavery, ie. white people being made slaves in Morocco, etc.MaxPB said:
He called it that. PureGym probably thought they were in the clear with the wokerati because of that but didn't account for faux offence taken by liberal whites on behalf of other races.kinabalu said:
Why is that hilarious? Please explain.MaxPB said:
What's hilarious about it is that it was a black guy who came up with the workout routine. 😆kinabalu said:Talk about not quite "getting" the historical weight of anti-black racism -
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-544197600 -
From a philosophical point of view I certainly agree that people should be able to deny the truth if they want to do so. The rest of us should then be able to determine if they are batshit crazy (like Holocaust deniers are) or if our assumed truth is wrong (like Copernicus).matthiasfromhamburg said:
I think it's important to understand that all that dreadful Holocaust bothering that we do over here, is just a function of us being a freedom hating country, unlike freedom loving Blighty.williamglenn said:
So it's just a matter of common sense and decency that you shouldn't suffer from such a dreadful impingement on the right to free speech.
Hail Lozza.
However I doubt that's where Fox is coming from.0 -
Social media outrage bus has been full on racist, its racist, made by a racist, racist company, they need to be sacked for being a racist, they know nothing about the black community, they need to go on an education course to learn about the black community....MaxPB said:
He called it that. PureGym probably thought they were in the clear with the wokerati because of that but didn't account for faux offence taken by liberal whites on behalf of other races.kinabalu said:
Why is that hilarious? Please explain.MaxPB said:
What's hilarious about it is that it was a black guy who came up with the workout routine. 😆kinabalu said:Talk about not quite "getting" the historical weight of anti-black racism -
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-54419760
Oh its a black employee of a franchise, who is just a numpty not to realise how it looks...
I don't care that he is black, sack him for not knowing about black history....0 -
Which is why i have been suspicious about whether he really has it. It is a stunt to turn over the card table when he knows he has lost.TheScreamingEagles said:
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I could not care less what pompous poll ratings call Trafalgar, I judge pollsters by results and results alone.stodge said:
Well, that's the C- rated Trafalgar so perhaps the truism a broken clock is right twice a day can apply to pollsters as well.HYUFD said:
Ohio is of course the key swing state, the only state to have voted for the winner in every Presidential election since 1960.TimT said:If Trump is up by just 4 in Ohio in a Trafalgar Group poll, he is in deep shit:
https://www.thetrafalgargroup.org/news/oh-pres-1020/
Now that could change this year and Biden could win the Electoral College with Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin or 2 of those plus Arizona but he would be the first candidate to win the Presidency having lost Ohio since Kennedy.
So I would say Trump being up by 4% in Ohio is good news for the President in the sense he is unlikely to lose by a landslide but bad news for the President in the sense it is still not enough for him to win
With their in-built Republican bias a 4-point for Trump in a state he won by 8 last time suggests a 2% swing to Biden and a national lead of 6 points.
The A+ New York Times/Siena pollster puts Biden 8 ahead in Arizona:
https://int.nyt.com/data/documenttools/az100120-crosstabs/a77605c32cd8f31e/full.pdf
The Senate battle looks to be turning against McSally with Kelly establishing a solid lead.
Delaware is no one's idea of a battleground state. In 2016, Clinton won by 12 and a poll by the University of Delaware (albeit an old poll with sampling with 21/9 to 27/9) has Biden up by 21 s0o a 4.5% swing to the Democrats suggesting a double digit national lead.
In 2016 Trafalgar called Michigan and Pennsylvania correctly for Trump when most pollsters and Nate Silver had Clinton ahead there, Silver also wrongly had Clinton ahead in Florida unlike Trafalgar.
Trafalgar should therefore be treated with great respect for identifying Trump voters as long as Trump is on the ballot0 -
She needs some advice on putting on her make-up. She even looks as dumb as she sounds. Is this the best the GoP can find to put forward now? Are their best people all laid up with the virus?TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
ooh - lets call for reparations...........Andy_JS said:
He could redeem himself by explaining it only refers to white slavery, ie. white people being made slaves in Morocco, etc.MaxPB said:
He called it that. PureGym probably thought they were in the clear with the wokerati because of that but didn't account for faux offence taken by liberal whites on behalf of other races.kinabalu said:
Why is that hilarious? Please explain.MaxPB said:
What's hilarious about it is that it was a black guy who came up with the workout routine. 😆kinabalu said:Talk about not quite "getting" the historical weight of anti-black racism -
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-544197600 -
I'm getting a strong 'late Michael Jackson' vibe about Donald Trump now. The increasingly bizarre behaviour. The cultish fans who believe anything. The drugs. The paranoia. The quack doctors. The strange confected "happenings". The oddly fluctuating skin colour and appearance. It goes on and on. The only difference is the lack - in Trump's case - of a close to supernatural talent for music and dance.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
Mrs Biden is worried. And who can blame her?
"At one point, his wife, Jill Biden, physically pulled Mr. Biden a few feet back when he got too close to the press."
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It would be a bit risky. He might 'recover' from it before contracting it for real.rottenborough said:
Which is why i have been suspicious about whether he really has it. It is a stunt to turn over the card table when he knows he has lost.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
Well - he would be nearly the only one in the Whitehouse to dodge that bullet......rottenborough said:
Which is why i have been suspicious about whether he really has it. It is a stunt to turn over the card table when he knows he has lost.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
Trumpster clearly feeling better and watching hours of cable news.....
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any fule knows that black people can't be racist, same as how it is impossible for a woman to be sexist.kinabalu said:
Why is that hilarious? Please explain.MaxPB said:
What's hilarious about it is that it was a black guy who came up with the workout routine. 😆kinabalu said:Talk about not quite "getting" the historical weight of anti-black racism -
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-544197602 -
I think this is the first real sign he's on the mend.FrancisUrquhart said:Trumpster clearly feeling better and watching hours of cable news.....
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1313183801732890624?s=195 -
oooh Laurence Fox being sued1
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BBC explanation of the Excel problem..
The BBC has confirmed the missing Covid-19 test data was caused by the ill-thought-out use of Microsoft's Excel software. Furthermore, PHE was to blame, rather than a third-party contractor.
The issue was caused by the way the agency brought together logs produced by the commercial firms paid to carry out swab tests for the virus. They filed their results in the form of text-based lists, without issue.
PHE had set up an automatic process to pull this data together into Excel templates so that it could then be uploaded to a central system and made available to the NHS Test and Trace team as well as other government computer dashboards.
The problem is that the PHE developers picked an old file format to do this - known as XLS. As a consequence, each template could handle only about 65,000 rows of data rather than the one million-plus rows that Excel is actually capable of.
And since each test result created several rows of data, in practice it meant that each template was limited to about 1,400 cases. When that total was reached, further cases were simply left off.
Until last week, there were not enough test results being generated by private labs for this to have been a problem
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-54422505
Its hard to blame Matt Hancock personally for this.
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Relationship goals.rottenborough said:Mrs Biden is worried. And who can blame her?
"At one point, his wife, Jill Biden, physically pulled Mr. Biden a few feet back when he got too close to the press."
NYTimes0 -
https://twitter.com/maggieNYT/status/1313180250315132929
Aren’t they allowed to share their “experience of fighting the virus firsthand” ?0 -
Fine. Let's see what Trafalgar's final polls for key states and the national results are and compare them with reality.HYUFD said:
I could not care less what pompous poll ratings call Trafalgar, I judge pollsters by results and results alone.
In 2016 Trafalgar called Michigan and Pennsylvania correctly for Trump when most pollsters and Nate Silver had Clinton ahead there, Silver also wrongly had Clinton ahead in Florida unlike Trafalgar.
Trafalgar should therefore be treated with great respect for identifying Trump voters as long as Trump is on the ballot
We can't undo the events of 2016 but 2020 is a new election and we need to see how all the pollsters compare and judge them accordingly. Trafalgar may be right again, they may not.
After all, we can only judge pollsters by how they performed in the last comparable election and after November we'll have a new set of data with which to make our comparisons.0 -
Is that the same Trafalgar Group that forecast Trump would win Nevada by 5% when he actually lost by 2%?HYUFD said:
I could not care less what pompous poll ratings call Trafalgar, I judge pollsters by results and results alone.stodge said:
Well, that's the C- rated Trafalgar so perhaps the truism a broken clock is right twice a day can apply to pollsters as well.HYUFD said:
Ohio is of course the key swing state, the only state to have voted for the winner in every Presidential election since 1960.TimT said:If Trump is up by just 4 in Ohio in a Trafalgar Group poll, he is in deep shit:
https://www.thetrafalgargroup.org/news/oh-pres-1020/
Now that could change this year and Biden could win the Electoral College with Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin or 2 of those plus Arizona but he would be the first candidate to win the Presidency having lost Ohio since Kennedy.
So I would say Trump being up by 4% in Ohio is good news for the President in the sense he is unlikely to lose by a landslide but bad news for the President in the sense it is still not enough for him to win
With their in-built Republican bias a 4-point for Trump in a state he won by 8 last time suggests a 2% swing to Biden and a national lead of 6 points.
The A+ New York Times/Siena pollster puts Biden 8 ahead in Arizona:
https://int.nyt.com/data/documenttools/az100120-crosstabs/a77605c32cd8f31e/full.pdf
The Senate battle looks to be turning against McSally with Kelly establishing a solid lead.
Delaware is no one's idea of a battleground state. In 2016, Clinton won by 12 and a poll by the University of Delaware (albeit an old poll with sampling with 21/9 to 27/9) has Biden up by 21 s0o a 4.5% swing to the Democrats suggesting a double digit national lead.
In 2016 Trafalgar called Michigan and Pennsylvania correctly for Trump when most pollsters and Nate Silver had Clinton ahead there, Silver also wrongly had Clinton ahead in Florida unlike Trafalgar.
Trafalgar should therefore be treated with great respect for identifying Trump voters as long as Trump is on the ballot
That Trafalgar Group?0 -
He may not be responsible for the work, but he is accountable.FrancisUrquhart said:BBC explanation of the Excel problem..
The BBC has confirmed the missing Covid-19 test data was caused by the ill-thought-out use of Microsoft's Excel software. Furthermore, PHE was to blame, rather than a third-party contractor.
The issue was caused by the way the agency brought together logs produced by the commercial firms paid to carry out swab tests for the virus. They filed their results in the form of text-based lists, without issue.
PHE had set up an automatic process to pull this data together into Excel templates so that it could then be uploaded to a central system and made available to the NHS Test and Trace team as well as other government computer dashboards.
The problem is that the PHE developers picked an old file format to do this - known as XLS. As a consequence, each template could handle only about 65,000 rows of data rather than the one million-plus rows that Excel is actually capable of.
And since each test result created several rows of data, in practice it meant that each template was limited to about 1,400 cases. When that total was reached, further cases were simply left off.
Until last week, there were not enough test results being generated by private labs for this to have been a problem
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-54422505
Its hard to blame Matt Hancock personally for this.1 -
Like in Nevada and Colorado where they identified Trump voters who didn't even exist so successful were they.HYUFD said:
I could not care less what pompous poll ratings call Trafalgar, I judge pollsters by results and results alone.stodge said:
Well, that's the C- rated Trafalgar so perhaps the truism a broken clock is right twice a day can apply to pollsters as well.HYUFD said:
Ohio is of course the key swing state, the only state to have voted for the winner in every Presidential election since 1960.TimT said:If Trump is up by just 4 in Ohio in a Trafalgar Group poll, he is in deep shit:
https://www.thetrafalgargroup.org/news/oh-pres-1020/
Now that could change this year and Biden could win the Electoral College with Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin or 2 of those plus Arizona but he would be the first candidate to win the Presidency having lost Ohio since Kennedy.
So I would say Trump being up by 4% in Ohio is good news for the President in the sense he is unlikely to lose by a landslide but bad news for the President in the sense it is still not enough for him to win
With their in-built Republican bias a 4-point for Trump in a state he won by 8 last time suggests a 2% swing to Biden and a national lead of 6 points.
The A+ New York Times/Siena pollster puts Biden 8 ahead in Arizona:
https://int.nyt.com/data/documenttools/az100120-crosstabs/a77605c32cd8f31e/full.pdf
The Senate battle looks to be turning against McSally with Kelly establishing a solid lead.
Delaware is no one's idea of a battleground state. In 2016, Clinton won by 12 and a poll by the University of Delaware (albeit an old poll with sampling with 21/9 to 27/9) has Biden up by 21 s0o a 4.5% swing to the Democrats suggesting a double digit national lead.
In 2016 Trafalgar called Michigan and Pennsylvania correctly for Trump when most pollsters and Nate Silver had Clinton ahead there, Silver also wrongly had Clinton ahead in Florida unlike Trafalgar.
Trafalgar should therefore be treated with great respect for identifying Trump voters as long as Trump is on the ballot0 -
Trump leaving hospital at 6 300
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His fiancée will be glad to hear it's his own tail he's chasing.kinabalu said:
You're chasing your own tail.HYUFD said:
Wrong, Trafalgar Group are the gold standard pollsters for the Electoral College at the moment, the only pollster to correctly have had Trump ahead in Michigan and Pennsylvania in 2016.Peter_the_Punter said:
Trafalgar polls are not worth a great deal.contrarian said:
Trafalgar has Trump over Hillary by four in 2016 too but closer to the vote (24 October), for what its worth.Pulpstar said:
Trump was forecast to win Ohio.contrarian said:
How was Hillary doing in Ohio at the same juncture I wonder......Up a couple....??Pulpstar said:
That was my thought too.TimT said:If Trump is up by just 4 in Ohio in a Trafalgar Group poll, he is in deep shit:
https://www.thetrafalgargroup.org/news/oh-pres-1020/
And look at those undecideds.....
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/ohio/
Tossup this time round:
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2020-election-forecast/ohio/
If they failed to show cross-tables, but were broadly in line with other pollsters, they'd have some credibility; or, if they did show sensible cross-tables and were out of line with other pollsters, you would again say they may have some merit. But they are miles out from everyone else and don't show workings, so it's in the round filing cabinet for them.
They are the Survation of US pollsters, Survation of course being the only pollster to get 2017 right and 2019 right (and 2015 in their final non released poll)1 -
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eD4TLmNyGYAFloater said:oooh Laurence Fox being sued
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Trump says "dont be afraid of Covid"
He really is a rare individual.....1 -
Now that does sound like an authentic Trump tweet.FrancisUrquhart said:Trumpster clearly feeling better and watching hours of cable news.....
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1313183801732890624?s=190 -
Christ has risen....williamglenn said:He's coming out.
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True, but ministers aren't usually personally responsible for mistakes made under their watch. They still used to resign, like Lord Carrington and Richard Luce when the Falklands were invaded in 1982.FrancisUrquhart said:BBC explanation of the Excel problem..
The BBC has confirmed the missing Covid-19 test data was caused by the ill-thought-out use of Microsoft's Excel software. Furthermore, PHE was to blame, rather than a third-party contractor.
The issue was caused by the way the agency brought together logs produced by the commercial firms paid to carry out swab tests for the virus. They filed their results in the form of text-based lists, without issue.
PHE had set up an automatic process to pull this data together into Excel templates so that it could then be uploaded to a central system and made available to the NHS Test and Trace team as well as other government computer dashboards.
The problem is that the PHE developers picked an old file format to do this - known as XLS. As a consequence, each template could handle only about 65,000 rows of data rather than the one million-plus rows that Excel is actually capable of.
And since each test result created several rows of data, in practice it meant that each template was limited to about 1,400 cases. When that total was reached, further cases were simply left off.
Until last week, there were not enough test results being generated by private labs for this to have been a problem
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-54422505
Its hard to blame Matt Hancock personally for this.0 -
Ok. But who or what are you laughing at? The people who think it's crass? Do YOU not think it's crass?MaxPB said:
He called it that. PureGym probably thought they were in the clear with the wokerati because of that but didn't account for faux offence taken by liberal whites on behalf of other races.kinabalu said:
Why is that hilarious? Please explain.MaxPB said:
What's hilarious about it is that it was a black guy who came up with the workout routine. 😆kinabalu said:Talk about not quite "getting" the historical weight of anti-black racism -
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-544197600 -
That startled me for a moment. Was wondering how it would play in the Bible belt.williamglenn said:He's coming out.
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1313186529058136070
Amen. Let us all thank God for small mercies.Floater said:Trump says "dont be afraid of Covid"
He really is a rare individual.....0 -
The thing which I can't get my head round is, if Trump is in so much trouble, why it is not being picked up more in tales from within his political campaign. No one wants to be associated with a loser. We have also had various stories about GOP Senators such as McNally, Tillis, Collins and Graham being in trouble, suggesting Republican sources are happy to talk to the press, but - outside those in the Republican party who don't like Trump - few who are saying that Trump's campaign is floundering.Floater said:
Well - he would be nearly the only one in the Whitehouse to dodge that bullet......rottenborough said:
Which is why i have been suspicious about whether he really has it. It is a stunt to turn over the card table when he knows he has lost.TheScreamingEagles said:
If anything, where Trump was visiting before his illness, suggested he was thinking of expanding the map, including places such as MN, NV and NH. We have also had stories from within the Democratic camp suggesting they are having trouble motivating voters in Wisconsin and Latinos in Florida.
Now that may be classic bullsh1tting and projecting strength from Trump and it may be the polls are absolutely spot on (the ones with the big Biden leads) but it feels odd.0 -
I mean I can blame him for being slow to push PHE to get their head out of their arse and getting testing capacity to the required level or for hiring Dido Harding to oversee the process now, but when it comes to something so specific as this, I don't expect him to be personally coding this like some crazed Elon Musk.Andy_JS said:
True, but ministers aren't usually personally responsible for mistakes made under their watch. They still used to resign, like Lord Carrington and Richard Luce when the Falklands were invaded in 1982.FrancisUrquhart said:BBC explanation of the Excel problem..
The BBC has confirmed the missing Covid-19 test data was caused by the ill-thought-out use of Microsoft's Excel software. Furthermore, PHE was to blame, rather than a third-party contractor.
The issue was caused by the way the agency brought together logs produced by the commercial firms paid to carry out swab tests for the virus. They filed their results in the form of text-based lists, without issue.
PHE had set up an automatic process to pull this data together into Excel templates so that it could then be uploaded to a central system and made available to the NHS Test and Trace team as well as other government computer dashboards.
The problem is that the PHE developers picked an old file format to do this - known as XLS. As a consequence, each template could handle only about 65,000 rows of data rather than the one million-plus rows that Excel is actually capable of.
And since each test result created several rows of data, in practice it meant that each template was limited to about 1,400 cases. When that total was reached, further cases were simply left off.
Until last week, there were not enough test results being generated by private labs for this to have been a problem
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-54422505
Its hard to blame Matt Hancock personally for this.0 -
Great, so Trump has made a full recovery. Betfair, Sporting Index: time to reopen your markets!2
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So Jesus was supposed to be dead for three days and three nights before he rose from the dead, which is sort of similar to DT's stay at the Walter Reed hospital....Alistair said:
Now that does sound like an authentic Trump tweet.FrancisUrquhart said:Trumpster clearly feeling better and watching hours of cable news.....
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1313183801732890624?s=190 -
It’s already been established that the WH effectively contains a mini hospital. So it doesn’t necessarily mean a return to his desk (or the golf course)williamglenn said:He's coming out.
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/13131865290581360700 -
In common with many Covid sufferers, Mrs PtP regularly felt periods of great well-being after the main symptoms had subsided, but they were irregular and punctuated by irregular relapses. It wouldn't be surprising if Trump experienced something similar.ydoethur said:
That startled me for a moment. Was wondering how it would play in the Bible belt.williamglenn said:He's coming out.
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1313186529058136070
Amen. Let us all thank God for small mercies.Floater said:Trump says "dont be afraid of Covid"
He really is a rare individual.....
Next few weeks are going to be interesting.0 -
Don’t be afraid of covid is a gift to the Dem campaign who will have the attack ads ready to go with the 210,000 who have died alongside that .0
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Utterly irresponsible.Big_G_NorthWales said:
So everyone else who catches COVID will have access to the same level of treatment as he got? There won't be any more US deaths?
Preposterously irresponsible.1 -
Seems unlikely so late in life.williamglenn said:He's coming out.
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1313186529058136070
And a pretty desperate electoral gambit.1 -
It's just a variation on the most basic and oldest defence government's have when seeking re-election - if in a crisis, it's no time for a new person to take over. If it's not a crisis, well, why change?TheScreamingEagles said:
Quite accidentally, it means it is never time to change government.0 -
Yeah, but Boris managed to rise at Easter, and Trump cannot beat that.MrEd said:
So Jesus was supposed to be dead for three days and three nights before he rose from the dead, which is sort of similar to DT's stay at the Walter Reed hospital....Alistair said:
Now that does sound like an authentic Trump tweet.FrancisUrquhart said:Trumpster clearly feeling better and watching hours of cable news.....
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He feels so good, because of the roids.Nigelb said:
Seems unlikely so late in life.williamglenn said:He's coming out.
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1313186529058136070
And a pretty desperate electoral gambit.0 -
The press has been full of reports about the financial crisis at the heart of the Trump campaign forcing it to pull advertising from Arizona and Ohio as they cannot afford it.MrEd said:
The thing which I can't get my head round is, if Trump is in so much trouble, why it is not being picked up more in tales from within his political campaign. No one wants to be associated with a loser. We have also had various stories about GOP Senators such as McNally, Tillis, Collins and Graham being in trouble, suggesting Republican sources are happy to talk to the press, but - outside those in the Republican party who don't like Trump - few who are saying that Trump's campaign is floundering.Floater said:
Well - he would be nearly the only one in the Whitehouse to dodge that bullet......rottenborough said:
Which is why i have been suspicious about whether he really has it. It is a stunt to turn over the card table when he knows he has lost.TheScreamingEagles said:
If anything, where Trump was visiting before his illness, suggested he was thinking of expanding the map, including places such as MN, NV and NH. We have also had stories from within the Democratic camp suggesting they are having trouble motivating voters in Wisconsin and Latinos in Florida.
Now that may be classic bullsh1tting and projecting strength from Trump and it may be the polls are absolutely spot on (the ones with the big Biden leads) but it feels odd.1 -
I hope she is generally on the mend PeterPeter_the_Punter said:
In common with many Covid sufferers, Mrs PtP regularly felt periods of great well-being after the main symptoms had subsided, but they were irregular and punctuated by irregular relapses. It wouldn't be surprising if Trump experienced something similar.ydoethur said:
That startled me for a moment. Was wondering how it would play in the Bible belt.williamglenn said:He's coming out.
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1313186529058136070
Amen. Let us all thank God for small mercies.Floater said:Trump says "dont be afraid of Covid"
He really is a rare individual.....
Next few weeks are going to be interesting.0 -
So that’s how he’s going to play it. COVID, no big deal.
His base will love it.0 -
Carrington was appointed Secretary-General of NATO two years later and Luce returned to government.Andy_JS said:
True, but ministers aren't usually personally responsible for mistakes made under their watch. They still used to resign, like Lord Carrington and Richard Luce when the Falklands were invaded in 1982.FrancisUrquhart said:BBC explanation of the Excel problem..
The BBC has confirmed the missing Covid-19 test data was caused by the ill-thought-out use of Microsoft's Excel software. Furthermore, PHE was to blame, rather than a third-party contractor.
The issue was caused by the way the agency brought together logs produced by the commercial firms paid to carry out swab tests for the virus. They filed their results in the form of text-based lists, without issue.
PHE had set up an automatic process to pull this data together into Excel templates so that it could then be uploaded to a central system and made available to the NHS Test and Trace team as well as other government computer dashboards.
The problem is that the PHE developers picked an old file format to do this - known as XLS. As a consequence, each template could handle only about 65,000 rows of data rather than the one million-plus rows that Excel is actually capable of.
And since each test result created several rows of data, in practice it meant that each template was limited to about 1,400 cases. When that total was reached, further cases were simply left off.
Until last week, there were not enough test results being generated by private labs for this to have been a problem
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-54422505
Its hard to blame Matt Hancock personally for this.0 -
Just imagine another 4 years of this reality show.....Jonathan said:So that’s how he’s going to play it. COVID, no big deal.
His base will love it.0 -
I have a feeling that Fox would be much more effective as an actor unafraid to express unfashionable opinions - which he is outstandingly good at - than as a fringe political organiser - a potential graveyard. That phrase 'Launch of new political party' has a truly launch of Titanic ring about it, a sense abundantly supported by compelling evidence.Philip_Thompson said:
From a philosophical point of view I certainly agree that people should be able to deny the truth if they want to do so. The rest of us should then be able to determine if they are batshit crazy (like Holocaust deniers are) or if our assumed truth is wrong (like Copernicus).matthiasfromhamburg said:
I think it's important to understand that all that dreadful Holocaust bothering that we do over here, is just a function of us being a freedom hating country, unlike freedom loving Blighty.williamglenn said:
So it's just a matter of common sense and decency that you shouldn't suffer from such a dreadful impingement on the right to free speech.
Hail Lozza.
However I doubt that's where Fox is coming from.
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Yes, but what does that actually mean? As FU says it really doesn't seem like something he personally could have influenced, positively or negatively. However bad a job Hancock may be doing, would his have doing a good job have changed what happened here? And if it wouldn't, well, yes he is still accountable for things within his remit, but how accountable, what consequences would be reasonable?Jonathan said:
He may not be responsible for the work, but he is accountable.FrancisUrquhart said:BBC explanation of the Excel problem..
The BBC has confirmed the missing Covid-19 test data was caused by the ill-thought-out use of Microsoft's Excel software. Furthermore, PHE was to blame, rather than a third-party contractor.
The issue was caused by the way the agency brought together logs produced by the commercial firms paid to carry out swab tests for the virus. They filed their results in the form of text-based lists, without issue.
PHE had set up an automatic process to pull this data together into Excel templates so that it could then be uploaded to a central system and made available to the NHS Test and Trace team as well as other government computer dashboards.
The problem is that the PHE developers picked an old file format to do this - known as XLS. As a consequence, each template could handle only about 65,000 rows of data rather than the one million-plus rows that Excel is actually capable of.
And since each test result created several rows of data, in practice it meant that each template was limited to about 1,400 cases. When that total was reached, further cases were simply left off.
Until last week, there were not enough test results being generated by private labs for this to have been a problem
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-54422505
Its hard to blame Matt Hancock personally for this.0 -
If he feels better than 20 years ago, that is the steroid talking.williamglenn said:He's coming out.
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1313186529058136070
No normal person feels better mid viral infection.1 -
So which PBer was most contemptuous of PHE IT failings ?0
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70% of Americans are worried about getting covid and Trump comes out with that statement . He really is tone deaf and becoming increasingly delusional .1
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That does rather assume uniform swing though. Whilst Trump had a margin of 8% here in 2016, Obama won only narrowly in 2012 as did Bush on 2004.Wulfrun_Phil said:
That's understating it a tad. If Trump is up by just 4 in Ohio in any poll, he's already wading through a field of cow manure, given that he won there by 8 there in 2016. If he's up by just 4 in Ohio in a Trafalgar poll, he's fallen into the silage tank.TimT said:If Trump is up by just 4 in Ohio in a Trafalgar Group poll, he is in deep shit:
https://www.thetrafalgargroup.org/news/oh-pres-1020/0 -
Trump is not a normal person. Thank goodness.Foxy said:
If he feels better than 20 years ago, that is the steroid talking.williamglenn said:He's coming out.
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1313186529058136070
No normal person feels better mid viral infection.0 -
That's Eric's role in the shpiel.Nigelb said:
Seems unlikely so late in life.williamglenn said:He's coming out.
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1313186529058136070
And a pretty desperate electoral gambit.0 -
How come you are so immersed in ultra woke lefty twitter?FrancisUrquhart said:
Social media outrage bus has been full on racist, its racist, made by a racist, racist company, they need to be sacked for being a racist, they know nothing about the black community, they need to go on an education course to learn about the black community....MaxPB said:
He called it that. PureGym probably thought they were in the clear with the wokerati because of that but didn't account for faux offence taken by liberal whites on behalf of other races.kinabalu said:
Why is that hilarious? Please explain.MaxPB said:
What's hilarious about it is that it was a black guy who came up with the workout routine. 😆kinabalu said:Talk about not quite "getting" the historical weight of anti-black racism -
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-54419760
Oh its a black employee of a franchise, who is just a numpty not to realise how it looks...
I don't care that he is black, sack him for not knowing about black history....0 -
The same reason people on the left might follow paranoid conspiracy right wingers - it's hilarious?kinabalu said:
How come you are so immersed in ultra woke lefty twitter?FrancisUrquhart said:
Social media outrage bus has been full on racist, its racist, made by a racist, racist company, they need to be sacked for being a racist, they know nothing about the black community, they need to go on an education course to learn about the black community....MaxPB said:
He called it that. PureGym probably thought they were in the clear with the wokerati because of that but didn't account for faux offence taken by liberal whites on behalf of other races.kinabalu said:
Why is that hilarious? Please explain.MaxPB said:
What's hilarious about it is that it was a black guy who came up with the workout routine. 😆kinabalu said:Talk about not quite "getting" the historical weight of anti-black racism -
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-54419760
Oh its a black employee of a franchise, who is just a numpty not to realise how it looks...
I don't care that he is black, sack him for not knowing about black history....0 -
He Is Risen!0