Dodds performance very poor, and Sunak has demolished it in response.
She gave a long complicated speech that kind of droned on. I switched off. I think all she should have tried to do today is introduce herself to the nation and potential voters rather than get into detail.
I gave up too. She was going on about the virus response, which is nothing to do with the Chancellor. Of course, it is always tough for a shadow to respond on the hoof to a Government policy statement,
I thought she sounded ok. The scotch accent is a plus, the banks all have Scottish call centres because people find the accent trustworthy on financial matters.
LOL RBS anyone? or even HBOS...
People's view of the accent is very different from even their view of the banks themselves.
For reference imagine calling up your bank and being greeted by a broad Liverpudlian accent - it would just put customers off - often stereotypes are all important.
Dodds performance very poor, and Sunak has demolished it in response.
She gave a long complicated speech that kind of droned on. I switched off. I think all she should have tried to do today is introduce herself to the nation and potential voters rather than get into detail.
I gave up too. She was going on about the virus response, which is nothing to do with the Chancellor. Of course, it is always tough for a shadow to respond on the hoof to a Government policy statement,
I thought she sounded ok. The scotch accent is a plus, the banks all have Scottish call centres because people find the accent trustworthy on financial matters.
LOL RBS anyone? or even HBOS...
How is that a point?
I don't agree with everything my learned friend CHB posts, but...
You have called somebody else out, you have regained my respect and trust. Well done.
Dodds performance very poor, and Sunak has demolished it in response.
She gave a long complicated speech that kind of droned on. I switched off. I think all she should have tried to do today is introduce herself to the nation and potential voters rather than get into detail.
She should simply have said:
Every breath you take and every move you make Every bond you break, every step you take, I'll be watching you
Surely every bond you fake, given our QE policy of having ultra cheap bonds bought by the BoE.
The £1k furlough bonus is politically clever. A sizable amount of cash to offer, and if companies fold before they take it it deflects the blame onto them.
Don't really see the logic myself. £1k isn't going to change their decision, so feels like just a bonus for those whose staff would have been kept anyway.
I think it may help tip a lot of edge cases into the keep column instead of the redundancy column. It's not going to be black and white.
It looks quite inefficient to me. If you're deciding between keeping 25 or 30 staff, you get 25k for free, and then only 5k extra for the difficult decisions.
At the moment Sunak is popular for helping businesses with the furlough scheme.
However the test for him will come in December, if Boris ends the transition period and goes to WTO terms and Sunak does not resign he will lose popularity with Remain voters, if however he does resign if no deal is agreed with the EU then he will lose popularity with the Tory membership who will elect the next leader and want a hard Brexit.
His prospects therefore depend on there being a deal with the EU but that also means Boris will probably remain popular enough to stay PM anyway
I wish people would stop pretending WTO is a possibility. It isn't. Bigging it up just plays into Johnson's hands - which is perhaps your motive for doing it (don't know about others).
It allows Johnson to trumpet the inevitable close alignment deal as a victory snatched from the jaws of defeat. Also to benefit from relief that something which was never going to happen is not going to happen.
WTO is what happens if we don't capitulate to reality. Sadly this government is made up of lunatics who don't actually understand how things like the Dover - Calais crossing work. Dismissing it as not a possibility is hope against hope - it IS a possibility.
Yes I know that the WTO have already laughed in our face. I know that if we got a border built and staffed and a computer system running in impossible time that it would be a disaster for business and an even bigger disaster if they don't. But this lot don't know the detail or care. Bluster will prevail because this is ENGLAND.
I totally get where you're coming from with that - nevertheless my reading of the politics of the situation is that WTO is a non-starter. OK, not completely impossible, of course not, but I would assign it no higher than a 10% chance.
I've said repeatedly that I expect a massive UK climbdown announced as a victory, so we're in agreement. But the problem with wazzocks is that they're smelling the farts and still thinking its fresh cut grass. The risk of Barniwoop and his team heading home to Brussels because the idiots have dug in too far is real and the consequence is that we go splat on New Years Day. Those of us not dead from the Rona by then anyway.
The difference between Barnier and our team is that Barnier listens, digests and goes to make plans based upon what we have said. We, meanwhile, don't listen and continue to declaim.
Hence it is a huge shock to us when the EU says to us: "OK this is what you said you wanted, this is what you will have. We are ready, are you?"
Just had a look at the B Williams vid on twitter. She's not wearing a seatbelt.
Have you got a link to the video? I tried searching but can just see lots of people saying "I've seen the video" and what they think rather than the actual video.
At the moment Sunak is popular for helping businesses with the furlough scheme.
However the test for him will come in December, if Boris ends the transition period and goes to WTO terms and Sunak does not resign he will lose popularity with Remain voters, if however he does resign if no deal is agreed with the EU then he will lose popularity with the Tory membership who will elect the next leader and want a hard Brexit.
His prospects therefore depend on there being a deal with the EU but that also means Boris will probably remain popular enough to stay PM anyway
I wish people would stop pretending WTO is a possibility. It isn't. Bigging it up just plays into Johnson's hands - which is perhaps your motive for doing it?
It allows Johnson to trumpet the inevitable close alignment deal as a victory snatched from the jaws of defeat. Also to benefit from relief that something which was never going to happen is not going to happen.
Ah, I see what you are up to.
Interesting that Labour`s monkeying around last year was predicated partly on wanting to avoid WTO which, you say, has never been a possibility.
At some point, the Government is going to have to disappoint somebody
Its smoke and mirrors. Take 9.4 bn. Just nonsense.
Of the 9.4 million who have been furloughed, there will be a couple of million or more back at work already, a couple of million who will be unemployed by January, a few hundred thousand voluntarily changing jobs by January.
So the real cost is maybe half the number they published.
The very first number they gave was the £300 bn loan scheme. By the end of May it had lent £6bn.
Wonder if we'll get the more difficult stuff too like the German Green New Deal?
German health system would be useful, if the UK didn't treat their own as if it were a religion.
Yes we'll have that too. But they spend more remember.
Indeed they do, although the numbers are dependent on many other factors. Tax breaks at 40% for private insurance in the UK would have the same effect on spending, that would be a good starting point.
An insurance model would be fine - so long as the state pays if you can't afford it. I'm far more sanguine about private healthcare than I am about private schools.
Private schools also offer scholarships and bursaries
I think the amount they fund is pretty much a billion a year.
I still don't understand people with visceral opposition to independent schools.
'We support high standards, and we're going to do it by destroying the places with the greatest diversity and the highest standards'.
It's about equality of opportunity. If this is truly important to somebody they cannot (without ludicrous contortions of argument) be supportive of private schools.
Not that surprising, the government wants to encourage firms to take employees back and punishing them for having done so (as it would have been interpreted) would have gone down like a lead balloon.
Wonder if we'll get the more difficult stuff too like the German Green New Deal?
German health system would be useful, if the UK didn't treat their own as if it were a religion.
Yes we'll have that too. But they spend more remember.
Indeed they do, although the numbers are dependent on many other factors. Tax breaks at 40% for private insurance in the UK would have the same effect on spending, that would be a good starting point.
An insurance model would be fine - so long as the state pays if you can't afford it. I'm far more sanguine about private healthcare than I am about private schools.
Private schools also offer scholarships and bursaries
Small fraction of the intake. The business model is premium product to affluent customers who can afford the price.
At some point, the Government is going to have to disappoint somebody
Its smoke and mirrors. Take 9.4 bn. Just nonsense.
Of the 9.4 million who have been furloughed, there will be a couple of million or more back at work already, a couple of million who will be unemployed by January, a few hundred thousand voluntarily changing jobs by January.
So the real cost is maybe half the number they published.
The very first number they gave was the £300 bn loan scheme. By the end of May it had lent £6bn.
Doiesn't the scheme apply even if workers are back? See Paul Johnson's tweet referenced elsewhere in the thread.
Wonder if we'll get the more difficult stuff too like the German Green New Deal?
German health system would be useful, if the UK didn't treat their own as if it were a religion.
Yes we'll have that too. But they spend more remember.
Indeed they do, although the numbers are dependent on many other factors. Tax breaks at 40% for private insurance in the UK would have the same effect on spending, that would be a good starting point.
An insurance model would be fine - so long as the state pays if you can't afford it. I'm far more sanguine about private healthcare than I am about private schools.
Private schools also offer scholarships and bursaries
Small fraction of the intake. The business model is premium product to affluent customers who can afford the price.
So modern dilemmas, Rishi style. Do I keep employing my wife, bring her back from furlough and claim my £1,000 or do I look to employ a bright young thing under the kickstart scheme instead?
My wife has doubts about the bright young thing being able to cope with the nightmare that is a digital VAT return. She has a point.
Wonder if we'll get the more difficult stuff too like the German Green New Deal?
German health system would be useful, if the UK didn't treat their own as if it were a religion.
Yes we'll have that too. But they spend more remember.
Indeed they do, although the numbers are dependent on many other factors. Tax breaks at 40% for private insurance in the UK would have the same effect on spending, that would be a good starting point.
An insurance model would be fine - so long as the state pays if you can't afford it. I'm far more sanguine about private healthcare than I am about private schools.
Private schools also offer scholarships and bursaries
Small fraction of the intake. The business model is premium product to affluent customers who can afford the price.
Smart business.
Nothing to do with business. They are required to offer scholarships and bursaries to retain their charitable status.
Just had a look at the B Williams vid on twitter. She's not wearing a seatbelt.
Have you got a link to the video? I tried searching but can just see lots of people saying "I've seen the video" and what they think rather than the actual video.
No VAT cut on beer and wine seems like the biggest error to me, probably stems from having a teetotaller chancellor.
Not wanting to piss off the muslim vote?
Not wanting, in the next heatwave, to have it pointed out that the general non-social-distanced mayhem was partly fuelled by government sponsored three-day happy hours?
Think more likely the latter. And perhaps just a certain reluctance in government to be what could be - albeit at a stretch - described as pushing drugs.
At some point, the Government is going to have to disappoint somebody
Its smoke and mirrors. Take 9.4 bn. Just nonsense.
Of the 9.4 million who have been furloughed, there will be a couple of million or more back at work already, a couple of million who will be unemployed by January, a few hundred thousand voluntarily changing jobs by January.
So the real cost is maybe half the number they published.
The very first number they gave was the £300 bn loan scheme. By the end of May it had lent £6bn.
Doiesn't the scheme apply even if workers are back? See Paul Johnson's tweet referenced elsewhere in the thread.
Hope so? Its not what he said in his speech, but would be welcome. The published paper from the govt says details by end of July. Obviously Paul Johnson might have got a clear clarification.
I can see what the government is trying to do with the £1k jobs bonus, but if it's only payable in arrears at the end of January then I don't think it helps a huge amount. If they were bunging the money to companies earlier then it would help with cashflow.
At the moment Sunak is popular for helping businesses with the furlough scheme.
However the test for him will come in December, if Boris ends the transition period and goes to WTO terms and Sunak does not resign he will lose popularity with Remain voters, if however he does resign if no deal is agreed with the EU then he will lose popularity with the Tory membership who will elect the next leader and want a hard Brexit.
His prospects therefore depend on there being a deal with the EU but that also means Boris will probably remain popular enough to stay PM anyway
I wish people would stop pretending WTO is a possibility. It isn't. Bigging it up just plays into Johnson's hands - which is perhaps your motive for doing it?
It allows Johnson to trumpet the inevitable close alignment deal as a victory snatched from the jaws of defeat. Also to benefit from relief that something which was never going to happen is not going to happen.
Ah, I see what you are up to.
Interesting that Labour`s monkeying around last year was predicated partly on wanting to avoid WTO which, you say, has never been a possibility.
WTO may be impossible but it is also inevitable unless an alternative is agreed...
Just had a look at the B Williams vid on twitter. She's not wearing a seatbelt.
Have you got a link to the video? I tried searching but can just see lots of people saying "I've seen the video" and what they think rather than the actual video.
Wonder if we'll get the more difficult stuff too like the German Green New Deal?
German health system would be useful, if the UK didn't treat their own as if it were a religion.
Yes we'll have that too. But they spend more remember.
Indeed they do, although the numbers are dependent on many other factors. Tax breaks at 40% for private insurance in the UK would have the same effect on spending, that would be a good starting point.
An insurance model would be fine - so long as the state pays if you can't afford it. I'm far more sanguine about private healthcare than I am about private schools.
Private schools also offer scholarships and bursaries
Small fraction of the intake. The business model is premium product to affluent customers who can afford the price.
Granddaughter three has a 'scholarship' at such a school; amounts to 10% I think of a years fees. Drama and singing IIRC. Got an excellent singing voice at 14.
Wonder if we'll get the more difficult stuff too like the German Green New Deal?
German health system would be useful, if the UK didn't treat their own as if it were a religion.
Yes we'll have that too. But they spend more remember.
Indeed they do, although the numbers are dependent on many other factors. Tax breaks at 40% for private insurance in the UK would have the same effect on spending, that would be a good starting point.
An insurance model would be fine - so long as the state pays if you can't afford it. I'm far more sanguine about private healthcare than I am about private schools.
Private schools also offer scholarships and bursaries
Small fraction of the intake. The business model is premium product to affluent customers who can afford the price.
I do not see Harrods or Waitrose or Mercedez Benz or the Ritz offering discounted products to those on lower incomes who could not otherwise afford their premium products
Theodore Dalrymple / Anthony Daniels wrote about the love for destruction in his book about the Liberian civil war.
Yes, these protests have - as predicted - gone way beyond racial justice. This is quasi-religious hysteria, and, yes, love of damage for the sake of it
Some of the videos coming out of the USA are extraordinary
Meanwhile, crime is soaring in big cities:
"The shootings come after a string of violent weekends in the city that have left younger children killed and injured. Gun violence in Chicago spiked Memorial Day weekend and has remained high, including a violent Fourth of July weekend during which at least 90 people were shot, 18 of them fatally."
Wonder if we'll get the more difficult stuff too like the German Green New Deal?
German health system would be useful, if the UK didn't treat their own as if it were a religion.
Yes we'll have that too. But they spend more remember.
Indeed they do, although the numbers are dependent on many other factors. Tax breaks at 40% for private insurance in the UK would have the same effect on spending, that would be a good starting point.
An insurance model would be fine - so long as the state pays if you can't afford it. I'm far more sanguine about private healthcare than I am about private schools.
Private schools also offer scholarships and bursaries
Small fraction of the intake. The business model is premium product to affluent customers who can afford the price.
I do not see Harrods or Waitrose or Mercedez Benz or the Ritz offering discounted products to those on lower incomes who could not otherwise afford their premium products
Like I said, they do it simply to retain their charitable status. Harrods, Waitrose, Mercedes Benz and the Ritz are not charities.
I can see what the government is trying to do with the £1k jobs bonus, but if it's only payable in arrears at the end of January then I don't think it helps a huge amount. If they were bunging the money to companies earlier then it would help with cashflow.
Hope it all works.
A bung would be taken then companies let people go anyway and good luck then getting the money back.
Paying in arrears ensures people are actually brought back.
At some point, the Government is going to have to disappoint somebody
Its smoke and mirrors. Take 9.4 bn. Just nonsense.
Of the 9.4 million who have been furloughed, there will be a couple of million or more back at work already, a couple of million who will be unemployed by January, a few hundred thousand voluntarily changing jobs by January.
So the real cost is maybe half the number they published.
The very first number they gave was the £300 bn loan scheme. By the end of May it had lent £6bn.
Doiesn't the scheme apply even if workers are back? See Paul Johnson's tweet referenced elsewhere in the thread.
It must do because many people have been on furlough on rotation. Our clerks, for example, are doing 3 weeks on, three weeks furloughed reducing their numbers to 50% reflecting the volume of business currently being processed.
Wonder if we'll get the more difficult stuff too like the German Green New Deal?
German health system would be useful, if the UK didn't treat their own as if it were a religion.
Yes we'll have that too. But they spend more remember.
Indeed they do, although the numbers are dependent on many other factors. Tax breaks at 40% for private insurance in the UK would have the same effect on spending, that would be a good starting point.
An insurance model would be fine - so long as the state pays if you can't afford it. I'm far more sanguine about private healthcare than I am about private schools.
Private schools also offer scholarships and bursaries
I think the amount they fund is pretty much a billion a year.
I still don't understand people with visceral opposition to independent schools.
'We support high standards, and we're going to do it by destroying the places with the greatest diversity and the highest standards'.
It's about equality of opportunity. If this is truly important to somebody they cannot (without ludicrous contortions of argument) be supportive of private schools.
Why then, not advocate destroying the excessively successful *state* schools. The effect they have on life outcome is just as extreme, in many cases.
Wonder if we'll get the more difficult stuff too like the German Green New Deal?
German health system would be useful, if the UK didn't treat their own as if it were a religion.
Yes we'll have that too. But they spend more remember.
Indeed they do, although the numbers are dependent on many other factors. Tax breaks at 40% for private insurance in the UK would have the same effect on spending, that would be a good starting point.
An insurance model would be fine - so long as the state pays if you can't afford it. I'm far more sanguine about private healthcare than I am about private schools.
Private schools also offer scholarships and bursaries
I think the amount they fund is pretty much a billion a year.
I still don't understand people with visceral opposition to independent schools.
'We support high standards, and we're going to do it by destroying the places with the greatest diversity and the highest standards'.
It's about equality of opportunity. If this is truly important to somebody they cannot (without ludicrous contortions of argument) be supportive of private schools.
Why then, not advocate destroying the excessively successful *state* schools. The effect they have on life outcome is just as extreme, in many cases.
The goal is schools of a high and similar standard for everyone with no fees.
Wonder if we'll get the more difficult stuff too like the German Green New Deal?
German health system would be useful, if the UK didn't treat their own as if it were a religion.
Yes we'll have that too. But they spend more remember.
Indeed they do, although the numbers are dependent on many other factors. Tax breaks at 40% for private insurance in the UK would have the same effect on spending, that would be a good starting point.
An insurance model would be fine - so long as the state pays if you can't afford it. I'm far more sanguine about private healthcare than I am about private schools.
Private schools also offer scholarships and bursaries
Small fraction of the intake. The business model is premium product to affluent customers who can afford the price.
I do not see Harrods or Waitrose or Mercedez Benz or the Ritz offering discounted products to those on lower incomes who could not otherwise afford their premium products
The private schools need the bright poor kids to boost their exam league table standing. Relying on the rich thick kids wouldn't be good enough.
Dodds performance very poor, and Sunak has demolished it in response.
Labour has a better leader than Corbyn now but a worse Shadow Chancellor than McDonnell (even though personally as a Tory I would prefer Dodds)
McDonnell, the best Chancellor we nearly but never had?
Certainly a case can be made.
I don't even know who the shadow chancellor is... hardly heard a peep.
Anneliese Dodds - or according to @HYUFD - "Gordon Brown in a skirt".
Has Brown ever been seen in a kilt?
Why should he? He's a Lowlander and son of the Manse. He certainly didn't wear one when he married - the only time many a Scot wears one.
I rather doubt it, for he always refused to be called Scottish, at least when he was PM - IIRC he only admitted it once, to an American radio show host. "British" was preferred.
Wonder if we'll get the more difficult stuff too like the German Green New Deal?
German health system would be useful, if the UK didn't treat their own as if it were a religion.
Yes we'll have that too. But they spend more remember.
Indeed they do, although the numbers are dependent on many other factors. Tax breaks at 40% for private insurance in the UK would have the same effect on spending, that would be a good starting point.
An insurance model would be fine - so long as the state pays if you can't afford it. I'm far more sanguine about private healthcare than I am about private schools.
Private schools also offer scholarships and bursaries
I think the amount they fund is pretty much a billion a year.
I still don't understand people with visceral opposition to independent schools.
'We support high standards, and we're going to do it by destroying the places with the greatest diversity and the highest standards'.
It's about equality of opportunity. If this is truly important to somebody they cannot (without ludicrous contortions of argument) be supportive of private schools.
I think equality of opportunity is a red herring anyway. I'm not okay with people in unskilled jobs being punished for "failing" even if they had an equal opportunity to succeed.
Someone has to do those jobs in the end, and they should be able to live with dignity while doing so.
That's more important than trying to force the Middle Class into participating on a level playing field. And if you can live with dignity at the bottom of the heap then equality of opportunity is less threatening to those currently at the top of the pile.
Wonder if we'll get the more difficult stuff too like the German Green New Deal?
German health system would be useful, if the UK didn't treat their own as if it were a religion.
Yes we'll have that too. But they spend more remember.
Indeed they do, although the numbers are dependent on many other factors. Tax breaks at 40% for private insurance in the UK would have the same effect on spending, that would be a good starting point.
An insurance model would be fine - so long as the state pays if you can't afford it. I'm far more sanguine about private healthcare than I am about private schools.
Private schools also offer scholarships and bursaries
Small fraction of the intake. The business model is premium product to affluent customers who can afford the price.
I do not see Harrods or Waitrose or Mercedez Benz or the Ritz offering discounted products to those on lower incomes who could not otherwise afford their premium products
Like I said, they do it simply to retain their charitable status. Harrods, Waitrose, Mercedes Benz and the Ritz are not charities.
I get 50% off meals with my car insurance, I really am not convinced this will do anything to stimulate demand but as always, hope I am wrong
The difference is with your car insurance the restaurant only gets paid 50% of the bill. Your car insurance company isn't paying the difference, its just a glorified marketing scheme.
With this scheme the restaurant gets paid 100% of the bill. The government is actually paying the difference which can then pay your waiters wages etc
Wonder if we'll get the more difficult stuff too like the German Green New Deal?
German health system would be useful, if the UK didn't treat their own as if it were a religion.
Yes we'll have that too. But they spend more remember.
Indeed they do, although the numbers are dependent on many other factors. Tax breaks at 40% for private insurance in the UK would have the same effect on spending, that would be a good starting point.
An insurance model would be fine - so long as the state pays if you can't afford it. I'm far more sanguine about private healthcare than I am about private schools.
Private schools also offer scholarships and bursaries
Small fraction of the intake. The business model is premium product to affluent customers who can afford the price.
I do not see Harrods or Waitrose or Mercedez Benz or the Ritz offering discounted products to those on lower incomes who could not otherwise afford their premium products
Like I said, they do it simply to retain their charitable status. Harrods, Waitrose, Mercedes Benz and the Ritz are not charities.
Yes. It's a fig leaf.
Saying that, I’m not against private schools. I don’t really care about them. I’d rather simply improve state schools.
Dodds performance very poor, and Sunak has demolished it in response.
Labour has a better leader than Corbyn now but a worse Shadow Chancellor than McDonnell (even though personally as a Tory I would prefer Dodds)
McDonnell, the best Chancellor we nearly but never had?
Certainly a case can be made.
I don't even know who the shadow chancellor is... hardly heard a peep.
Anneliese Dodds - or according to @HYUFD - "Gordon Brown in a skirt".
(words I thought I would never say) That's extremely unfair on Gordon Brown who was mendacious, manipulative, untrustworthy, had very poor judgement (we get it, ed) but was undoubtedly formidable both in office and in the Commons.
SKS has a problem with Dodds, she is just not up to it, not even close. What he would give for the likes of Ed Balls who might have given Rishi a run for his money.
Wonder if we'll get the more difficult stuff too like the German Green New Deal?
German health system would be useful, if the UK didn't treat their own as if it were a religion.
Yes we'll have that too. But they spend more remember.
Indeed they do, although the numbers are dependent on many other factors. Tax breaks at 40% for private insurance in the UK would have the same effect on spending, that would be a good starting point.
An insurance model would be fine - so long as the state pays if you can't afford it. I'm far more sanguine about private healthcare than I am about private schools.
Private schools also offer scholarships and bursaries
Small fraction of the intake. The business model is premium product to affluent customers who can afford the price.
Granddaughter three has a 'scholarship' at such a school; amounts to 10% I think of a years fees. Drama and singing IIRC. Got an excellent singing voice at 14.
Keep her away from Simon Cowell whatever else happens.
Dodds performance very poor, and Sunak has demolished it in response.
Labour has a better leader than Corbyn now but a worse Shadow Chancellor than McDonnell (even though personally as a Tory I would prefer Dodds)
McDonnell, the best Chancellor we nearly but never had?
Certainly a case can be made.
I don't even know who the shadow chancellor is... hardly heard a peep.
Anneliese Dodds - or according to @HYUFD - "Gordon Brown in a skirt".
Has Brown ever been seen in a kilt?
Why should he? He's a Lowlander and son of the Manse. He certainly didn't wear one when he married - the only time many a Scot wears one.
I rather doubt it, for he always refused to be called Scottish, at least when he was PM - IIRC he only admitted it once, to an American radio show host. "British" was preferred.
Broon in a kilt.
Now that thought has spoilt my afternoon lunch. The most unsuitable combination since Ernie Wise and his toupee.
The nearest I can think of is Ed Balls in a football kit. Until I spotted one in a leotard...
@contrarian one for you especially but every word is spot on imo.
Haha yes... the anger Farage invoked by having a pint!
"Ah how nice it is to be able to go down an English pub, one of life's true pleasures, the way the open fire rests listlessly as birds sing in the tr...... hang on, what's this?! Please Sir! He is having a pint in an empty pub and only got back off holiday thirteen days, sixteen hours and twenty three minutes ago!!!"
Wonder if we'll get the more difficult stuff too like the German Green New Deal?
German health system would be useful, if the UK didn't treat their own as if it were a religion.
Yes we'll have that too. But they spend more remember.
Indeed they do, although the numbers are dependent on many other factors. Tax breaks at 40% for private insurance in the UK would have the same effect on spending, that would be a good starting point.
An insurance model would be fine - so long as the state pays if you can't afford it. I'm far more sanguine about private healthcare than I am about private schools.
Private schools also offer scholarships and bursaries
Small fraction of the intake. The business model is premium product to affluent customers who can afford the price.
Wonder if we'll get the more difficult stuff too like the German Green New Deal?
German health system would be useful, if the UK didn't treat their own as if it were a religion.
Yes we'll have that too. But they spend more remember.
Indeed they do, although the numbers are dependent on many other factors. Tax breaks at 40% for private insurance in the UK would have the same effect on spending, that would be a good starting point.
An insurance model would be fine - so long as the state pays if you can't afford it. I'm far more sanguine about private healthcare than I am about private schools.
Private schools also offer scholarships and bursaries
I think the amount they fund is pretty much a billion a year.
I still don't understand people with visceral opposition to independent schools.
'We support high standards, and we're going to do it by destroying the places with the greatest diversity and the highest standards'.
It's about equality of opportunity. If this is truly important to somebody they cannot (without ludicrous contortions of argument) be supportive of private schools.
Why then, not advocate destroying the excessively successful *state* schools. The effect they have on life outcome is just as extreme, in many cases.
The goal is schools of a high and similar standard for everyone with no fees.
Impossible given different catchment areas, selective grammar schools, church state schools requiring a vicar's note to enter etc
Wonder if we'll get the more difficult stuff too like the German Green New Deal?
German health system would be useful, if the UK didn't treat their own as if it were a religion.
Yes we'll have that too. But they spend more remember.
Indeed they do, although the numbers are dependent on many other factors. Tax breaks at 40% for private insurance in the UK would have the same effect on spending, that would be a good starting point.
An insurance model would be fine - so long as the state pays if you can't afford it. I'm far more sanguine about private healthcare than I am about private schools.
Private schools also offer scholarships and bursaries
I think the amount they fund is pretty much a billion a year.
I still don't understand people with visceral opposition to independent schools.
'We support high standards, and we're going to do it by destroying the places with the greatest diversity and the highest standards'.
It's about equality of opportunity. If this is truly important to somebody they cannot (without ludicrous contortions of argument) be supportive of private schools.
Why then, not advocate destroying the excessively successful *state* schools. The effect they have on life outcome is just as extreme, in many cases.
The goal is schools of a high and similar standard for everyone with no fees.
So you would need to destroy all non-bog-standard-comprehensives.
Then what do you do about the comprehensives that have private school levels of success? Destroy them as well?
I get 50% off meals with my car insurance, I really am not convinced this will do anything to stimulate demand but as always, hope I am wrong
Is that a one-time thing, or can you do it for every meal?
If its the scheme I'm thinking of it has many faces (insurance, Meerkat Meals) but its real name is Tastecard. You get 2-4-1 or 50% off early week - but only at limited restaurants that have signed up to the scheme and the restaurants don't get a penny from Tastecard they're simply running an early week promotion and getting publicity from it.
The government's proposed scheme is different. More companies can sign up (not just those that are involved with Tastecard) and they get the bill paid in full (which Tastecard don't do).
I get 50% off meals with my car insurance, I really am not convinced this will do anything to stimulate demand but as always, hope I am wrong
Is that a one-time thing, or can you do it for every meal?
Every meal for a year and then when you renew you get it all over again.
I also get 2 for 1 at the cinema, it’s genuinely a really good deal.
I am not using either now as I won’t take the risk.
Sounds like the old Orange promotion for the cinema. Still, not everyone has paid for that scheme so it should promote some demand.
They took it over I think, so that’s right.
A lot of people do use it, everyone I know does something along those lines.
I hope it does stimulate demand but I just can’t see it myself. Fundamentally people are afraid to go outside and no money is going to change that, in my view.
Wonder if we'll get the more difficult stuff too like the German Green New Deal?
German health system would be useful, if the UK didn't treat their own as if it were a religion.
Yes we'll have that too. But they spend more remember.
Indeed they do, although the numbers are dependent on many other factors. Tax breaks at 40% for private insurance in the UK would have the same effect on spending, that would be a good starting point.
An insurance model would be fine - so long as the state pays if you can't afford it. I'm far more sanguine about private healthcare than I am about private schools.
Private schools also offer scholarships and bursaries
I think the amount they fund is pretty much a billion a year.
I still don't understand people with visceral opposition to independent schools.
'We support high standards, and we're going to do it by destroying the places with the greatest diversity and the highest standards'.
It's about equality of opportunity. If this is truly important to somebody they cannot (without ludicrous contortions of argument) be supportive of private schools.
Why then, not advocate destroying the excessively successful *state* schools. The effect they have on life outcome is just as extreme, in many cases.
The goal is schools of a high and similar standard for everyone with no fees.
So you would need to destroy all non-bog-standard-comprehensives.
Then what do you do about the comprehensives that have private school levels of success? Destroy them as well?
Yes, then everyone can be equally badly educated, another socialist triumph of equality!
I get 50% off meals with my car insurance, I really am not convinced this will do anything to stimulate demand but as always, hope I am wrong
Is that a one-time thing, or can you do it for every meal?
Every meal for a year and then when you renew you get it all over again.
I also get 2 for 1 at the cinema, it’s genuinely a really good deal.
I am not using either now as I won’t take the risk.
Sounds like the old Orange promotion for the cinema. Still, not everyone has paid for that scheme so it should promote some demand.
They took it over I think, so that’s right.
A lot of people do use it, everyone I know does something along those lines.
I hope it does stimulate demand but I just can’t see it myself. Fundamentally people are afraid to go outside and no money is going to change that, in my view.
Every little helps, and it might tip the balance for quite a few businesses.
I get 50% off meals with my car insurance, I really am not convinced this will do anything to stimulate demand but as always, hope I am wrong
Is that a one-time thing, or can you do it for every meal?
Every meal for a year and then when you renew you get it all over again.
I also get 2 for 1 at the cinema, it’s genuinely a really good deal.
I am not using either now as I won’t take the risk.
Sounds like the old Orange promotion for the cinema. Still, not everyone has paid for that scheme so it should promote some demand.
They took it over I think, so that’s right.
A lot of people do use it, everyone I know does something along those lines.
I hope it does stimulate demand but I just can’t see it myself. Fundamentally people are afraid to go outside and no money is going to change that, in my view.
Every little helps, and it might tip the balance for quite a few businesses.
Potentially quite significantly. Since the bill is paid in full with this scheme (rather than simply half the bill getting paid) the restaurant is getting twice as much money coming in but with the same Cost Of Goods Sold.
Has there been any news for a while from the face-to-face Brexit talks?
Is the lack of news, the lack of bombast a good sign? Are we entering a "tunnel" phase of proper negotiations and compromises on both sides?
We are in a phase of proper negotiations - compromises will only be discovered once we see the final deal.
Remember when we started this plan, deals with China and the USA made sense, 4 years later do deals with either country now make the same amount of sense?
I get 50% off meals with my car insurance, I really am not convinced this will do anything to stimulate demand but as always, hope I am wrong
Is that a one-time thing, or can you do it for every meal?
Every meal for a year and then when you renew you get it all over again.
I also get 2 for 1 at the cinema, it’s genuinely a really good deal.
I am not using either now as I won’t take the risk.
Sounds like the old Orange promotion for the cinema. Still, not everyone has paid for that scheme so it should promote some demand.
They took it over I think, so that’s right.
A lot of people do use it, everyone I know does something along those lines.
I hope it does stimulate demand but I just can’t see it myself. Fundamentally people are afraid to go outside and no money is going to change that, in my view.
Every little helps, and it might tip the balance for quite a few businesses.
Hope so. Think it’s unlikely though but hope I’m wrong
At the moment Sunak is popular for helping businesses with the furlough scheme.
However the test for him will come in December, if Boris ends the transition period and goes to WTO terms and Sunak does not resign he will lose popularity with Remain voters, if however he does resign if no deal is agreed with the EU then he will lose popularity with the Tory membership who will elect the next leader and want a hard Brexit.
His prospects therefore depend on there being a deal with the EU but that also means Boris will probably remain popular enough to stay PM anyway
I wish people would stop pretending WTO is a possibility. It isn't. Bigging it up just plays into Johnson's hands - which is perhaps your motive for doing it?
It allows Johnson to trumpet the inevitable close alignment deal as a victory snatched from the jaws of defeat. Also to benefit from relief that something which was never going to happen is not going to happen.
Ah, I see what you are up to.
Interesting that Labour`s monkeying around last year was predicated partly on wanting to avoid WTO which, you say, has never been a possibility.
Yes that's an interesting and accurate comparison. It's all pointless now but my view back then was that the Benn Act, all of that stuff, was bad politics. We - Labour - should have called Johnson's bluff, made him own all the decisions, because he was never doing No Deal.
Has there been any news for a while from the face-to-face Brexit talks?
Is the lack of news, the lack of bombast a good sign? Are we entering a "tunnel" phase of proper negotiations and compromises on both sides?
We are in a phase of proper negotiations - compromises will only be discovered once we see the final deal.
Remember when we started this plan, deals with China and the USA made sense, 4 years later do deals with either country now make the same amount of sense?
Not China, hopefully yes to the USA after Biden takes over.
EDIT: FWIW I wanted a trade deal with China previously, so that is a genuine change from four years ago.
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For reference imagine calling up your bank and being greeted by a broad Liverpudlian accent - it would just put customers off - often stereotypes are all important.
https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1280634854753910785?s=20
Or at least it was, until Sunak stole all your clothes
Headline - 42
7 days - 30 - quite a bit of back dating
Yesterday - 4
As ever, the last 3-5 days are subject to revision. last 5 days included for completeness
At some point, the Government is going to have to disappoint somebody
Toss decision just looked wrong
Hence it is a huge shock to us when the EU says to us: "OK this is what you said you wanted, this is what you will have. We are ready, are you?"
Because of course we are not ready.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Monrovia-Mon-Amour-Visit-Liberia/dp/0719550254
Interesting that Labour`s monkeying around last year was predicated partly on wanting to avoid WTO which, you say, has never been a possibility.
Of the 9.4 million who have been furloughed, there will be a couple of million or more back at work already, a couple of million who will be unemployed by January, a few hundred thousand voluntarily changing jobs by January.
So the real cost is maybe half the number they published.
The very first number they gave was the £300 bn loan scheme. By the end of May it had lent £6bn.
https://twitter.com/RupertMyers/status/1280830897953165314?s=20
My wife has doubts about the bright young thing being able to cope with the nightmare that is a digital VAT return. She has a point.
Hope it all works.
Some of the videos coming out of the USA are extraordinary
Meanwhile, crime is soaring in big cities:
"The shootings come after a string of violent weekends in the city that have left younger children killed and injured. Gun violence in Chicago spiked Memorial Day weekend and has remained high, including a violent Fourth of July weekend during which at least 90 people were shot, 18 of them fatally."
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/at-least-17-shot-4-fatally-in-less-than-12-hours-in-chicago/ar-BB16scO6
Paying in arrears ensures people are actually brought back.
As to THE list. Now 8 fold. Will soon need a new sheet of paper at this rate.
Is the lack of news, the lack of bombast a good sign? Are we entering a "tunnel" phase of proper negotiations and compromises on both sides?
I rather doubt it, for he always refused to be called Scottish, at least when he was PM - IIRC he only admitted it once, to an American radio show host. "British" was preferred.
Someone has to do those jobs in the end, and they should be able to live with dignity while doing so.
That's more important than trying to force the Middle Class into participating on a level playing field. And if you can live with dignity at the bottom of the heap then equality of opportunity is less threatening to those currently at the top of the pile.
With this scheme the restaurant gets paid 100% of the bill. The government is actually paying the difference which can then pay your waiters wages etc
SKS has a problem with Dodds, she is just not up to it, not even close. What he would give for the likes of Ed Balls who might have given Rishi a run for his money.
10% off - every little helps!
I also get 2 for 1 at the cinema, it’s genuinely a really good deal.
I am not using either now as I won’t take the risk.
Now that thought has spoilt my afternoon lunch. The most unsuitable combination since Ernie Wise and his toupee.
The nearest I can think of is Ed Balls in a football kit. Until I spotted one in a leotard...
"Ah how nice it is to be able to go down an English pub, one of life's true pleasures, the way the open fire rests listlessly as birds sing in the tr...... hang on, what's this?! Please Sir! He is having a pint in an empty pub and only got back off holiday thirteen days, sixteen hours and twenty three minutes ago!!!"
Then what do you do about the comprehensives that have private school levels of success? Destroy them as well?
The government's proposed scheme is different. More companies can sign up (not just those that are involved with Tastecard) and they get the bill paid in full (which Tastecard don't do).
A lot of people do use it, everyone I know does something along those lines.
I hope it does stimulate demand but I just can’t see it myself. Fundamentally people are afraid to go outside and no money is going to change that, in my view.
Remember when we started this plan, deals with China and the USA made sense, 4 years later do deals with either country now make the same amount of sense?
https://twitter.com/AndyBiotech/status/1280660764383227906
EDIT: FWIW I wanted a trade deal with China previously, so that is a genuine change from four years ago.