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I really expected Boris to be really held to account by Starmer today over care homes but very poor from Starmer0
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Bluekip have only been in power for a short time. Before that it was the Conservative party.RochdalePioneers said:Interesting exchange.
Shagger says "we'll reform the system, nothing done for 30 years will you support"
Starmer says "of course, you've been in government for 10 years why haven't you done it already?"
The prescient point being that there is a pretense that the Tories haven't been in office for a decade and instead only for a few months.0 -
Starmer wooden, thats absolutely true. Can't give credit to the PM though as he answers every question with angry waffle. Its 0-0 again as it was last week and the week before.bigjohnowls said:Dire PMQs for SKS
2nd, 3rd, 4th and 5th questions already answered in question 10 -
SKS misses biggest open goals for months.
Truly shocking incompetence.0 -
"Stay at home, protect the NHS, save lives". Isn't that where the care home tragedy started?2
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Clear Johnson victory this week - only the second time I've said that since Starmer took over.
Starmer needs to do better at thinking on his feet when the answers are given rather than continuing with his prescripted questions.1 -
Its not a pretence, this is a new government. Just because the party stays the same doesn't mean the government does.RochdalePioneers said:Interesting exchange.
Shagger says "we'll reform the system, nothing done for 30 years will you support"
Starmer says "of course, you've been in government for 10 years why haven't you done it already?"
The prescient point being that there is a pretense that the Tories haven't been in office for a decade and instead only for a few months.0 -
Dreadful performance from Starmer, seems totally unable to think on his feet.2
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Tiki-taka by the corner flag from SKS today.1
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On par with Corbyns worst PMQ performance.humbugger said:Dreadful performance from Starmer, seems totally unable to think on his feet.
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I called it as 0-0 right up until the last question. However, "Why won't you keep free parking for NHS staff" asks Starmer. "Its our manifesto pledge to make it free for the patients as well". At which point Starmer sits there still with a mask on his face internally saying "fuuuuck". 1-0 to Shagger.Philip_Thompson said:Clear Johnson victory this week - only the second time I've said that since Starmer took over.
Starmer needs to do better at thinking on his feet when the answers are given rather than continuing with his prescripted questions.
Johnson is poor. No detail. gets angry. Waffles. But it can be effective against someone who doesn't deviate from a line of questioning regardless of what the response is.1 -
I was surprised that Starmer didn't have those quotes lined up.RochdalePioneers said:
Having seen the clips from Hancock in March talking about asymptomatic transmission it'll backfire badly again.CarlottaVance said:Starmer going on Care Homes - direct quote and asks for apology. Johnson going on asymptomatic defence - not sure how robust that is......
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As a Labour supporter that was a depressing performance from SKS.0
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That you actually believe that is baffling. OK so 5 years were in coalition. But since 2015 there has been continuous majority Tory government. And at any time in those 10 years in office they could have done the things he appeared to be trying to blame Labour for not doing.Philip_Thompson said:
Its not a pretence, this is a new government. Just because the party stays the same doesn't mean the government does.RochdalePioneers said:Interesting exchange.
Shagger says "we'll reform the system, nothing done for 30 years will you support"
Starmer says "of course, you've been in government for 10 years why haven't you done it already?"
The prescient point being that there is a pretense that the Tories haven't been in office for a decade and instead only for a few months.3 -
That was a brilliant response to a bear trap.RochdalePioneers said:
I called it as 0-0 right up until the last question. However, "Why won't you keep free parking for NHS staff" asks Starmer. "Its our manifesto pledge to make it free for the patients as well". At which point Starmer sits there still with a mask on his face internally saying "fuuuuck". 1-0 to Shagger.Philip_Thompson said:Clear Johnson victory this week - only the second time I've said that since Starmer took over.
Starmer needs to do better at thinking on his feet when the answers are given rather than continuing with his prescripted questions.
Johnson is poor. No detail. gets angry. Waffles. But it can be effective against someone who doesn't deviate from a line of questioning regardless of what the response is.
Johnson is getting better at this.1 -
Indeed, but no doubt OGH will be along any minute to applaud Starmer's masterful performance.bigjohnowls said:
On par with Corbyns worst PMQ performance.humbugger said:Dreadful performance from Starmer, seems totally unable to think on his feet.
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Perhaps his team are new and aren't good enough?tlg86 said:
I was surprised that Starmer didn't have those quotes lined up.RochdalePioneers said:
Having seen the clips from Hancock in March talking about asymptomatic transmission it'll backfire badly again.CarlottaVance said:Starmer going on Care Homes - direct quote and asks for apology. Johnson going on asymptomatic defence - not sure how robust that is......
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I need a bright economist to help me.noneoftheabove said:
Because they will expire and cant be put in a bank.geoffw said:Transferable vouchers? If so then why not cash? If non-transferable then they must be person-specific and that may require proof of identity and imply inefficient allocation.
If everyone gets helicopter money and I put mine in the bank, then the purpose is still fulfilled. Unless the bank sticks it in sock under the bed they put my helicopter money out to be used by someone else who at this moment needs it to spend more than I do, so it still gets spent in the real economy, which was the purpose of the helicopter money in the first place.
It's no answer to say it gets tied up in useless unproductive assets like houses if I put it in the bank. The helicopter money I use on goods and services will also in large part go to pay off mortgages etc....
So why are vouchers better than cash?0 -
The people have changed. The PM has changed.RochdalePioneers said:
That you actually believe that is baffling. OK so 5 years were in coalition. But since 2015 there has been continuous majority Tory government. And at any time in those 10 years in office they could have done the things he appeared to be trying to blame Labour for not doing.Philip_Thompson said:
Its not a pretence, this is a new government. Just because the party stays the same doesn't mean the government does.RochdalePioneers said:Interesting exchange.
Shagger says "we'll reform the system, nothing done for 30 years will you support"
Starmer says "of course, you've been in government for 10 years why haven't you done it already?"
The prescient point being that there is a pretense that the Tories haven't been in office for a decade and instead only for a few months.
Yes Cameron could have done what Johnson now wants to do but he didn't. Condemn Cameron for it if you want. Similarly condemn May if you want - I happily do any chance I get.
We are about 11 months into Johnson's premiership and about 8 months into Johnson having a majority government.0 -
Damning of Starmer that he can't think on his feet.RochdalePioneers said:
I called it as 0-0 right up until the last question. However, "Why won't you keep free parking for NHS staff" asks Starmer. "Its our manifesto pledge to make it free for the patients as well". At which point Starmer sits there still with a mask on his face internally saying "fuuuuck". 1-0 to Shagger.Philip_Thompson said:Clear Johnson victory this week - only the second time I've said that since Starmer took over.
Starmer needs to do better at thinking on his feet when the answers are given rather than continuing with his prescripted questions.
Johnson is poor. No detail. gets angry. Waffles. But it can be effective against someone who doesn't deviate from a line of questioning regardless of what the response is.0 -
He does seem to have upped his gamePhilip_Thompson said:
That was a brilliant response to a bear trap.RochdalePioneers said:
I called it as 0-0 right up until the last question. However, "Why won't you keep free parking for NHS staff" asks Starmer. "Its our manifesto pledge to make it free for the patients as well". At which point Starmer sits there still with a mask on his face internally saying "fuuuuck". 1-0 to Shagger.Philip_Thompson said:Clear Johnson victory this week - only the second time I've said that since Starmer took over.
Starmer needs to do better at thinking on his feet when the answers are given rather than continuing with his prescripted questions.
Johnson is poor. No detail. gets angry. Waffles. But it can be effective against someone who doesn't deviate from a line of questioning regardless of what the response is.
Johnson is getting better at this.0 -
That's an interesting point.CarlottaVance said:
Trans Woman (originally James) Professor at all female Barnard College, part of Columbia Uni, NY.MattW said:
Who is Jennifer Boylan and why is she relevant?CarlottaVance said:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jennifer_Finney_Boylan
The relevance is that "free speech" is important only if its the proper people are saying it.....
The transgenderist campaigners force the world to call individuals by names no one has ever heard of, and suddenly nobody knows who they are.
hmmm.2 -
Why would you do that, at 0%? Even Premium Bonds would be better,Beibheirli_C said:
If he gives us cash we will put it in the bank...RochdalePioneers said:
Fundamentally we're going to have to keep tipping cash into circulation to keep large parts of the economy open. Will be a long term problem to manage that is less bad than the immediate short term contraction of money stopping circulating. If we get the suggested £1,500 in Sunak tokens (2 adults 2 kids) then I'll go and spend £1,500 in tokens in the bits of the economy they are intended for. If we don't then it'll be a few hundred maybe.Philip_Thompson said:
Quantitative Easing.Sandpit said:Sunak has done well so far in the job, he's come across as suited to the role and spoken eloquently about the difficulties we face.
The problem is that all his department has done so far his spend money, to the point where we are looking at an annual deficit to make 2009 cry. At some point, he's going to have to cut spending and raise taxes, or find a way to introduce a big dose of inflation into the economy, that's when life gets more difficult for him.
That said, he deserves our best wishes, there's no easy way out from where we are now.
The Bank has printed £300bn this year which means in reality how much is our deficit this year? Also prevents deflation and adds a bit of much needed inflation into the country.
What's going to matter more is future years. The deficit will have to close again, not this year but before too long.
Spend the cash to keep jobs that will go otherwise in a strategically important industry? Where cash to preserve the jobs is less than the hit of not doing so? Its the 1970s redux.0 -
The people prepping those questions should get a massive bollocking. His only silver lining is that nobody will see it because he is in Sunak's mini-Budget rain shadow today.Philip_Thompson said:Clear Johnson victory this week - only the second time I've said that since Starmer took over.
Starmer needs to do better at thinking on his feet when the answers are given rather than continuing with his prescripted questions.1 -
Yes.geoffw said:"Stay at home, protect the NHS, save lives". Isn't that where the care home tragedy started?
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Just his health steadily improving. He looks much better now and is noticeably more combative.Big_G_NorthWales said:
He does seem to have upped his gamePhilip_Thompson said:
That was a brilliant response to a bear trap.RochdalePioneers said:
I called it as 0-0 right up until the last question. However, "Why won't you keep free parking for NHS staff" asks Starmer. "Its our manifesto pledge to make it free for the patients as well". At which point Starmer sits there still with a mask on his face internally saying "fuuuuck". 1-0 to Shagger.Philip_Thompson said:Clear Johnson victory this week - only the second time I've said that since Starmer took over.
Starmer needs to do better at thinking on his feet when the answers are given rather than continuing with his prescripted questions.
Johnson is poor. No detail. gets angry. Waffles. But it can be effective against someone who doesn't deviate from a line of questioning regardless of what the response is.
Johnson is getting better at this.0 -
No surprise though.MarqueeMark said:
Damning of Starmer that he can't think on his feet.RochdalePioneers said:
I called it as 0-0 right up until the last question. However, "Why won't you keep free parking for NHS staff" asks Starmer. "Its our manifesto pledge to make it free for the patients as well". At which point Starmer sits there still with a mask on his face internally saying "fuuuuck". 1-0 to Shagger.Philip_Thompson said:Clear Johnson victory this week - only the second time I've said that since Starmer took over.
Starmer needs to do better at thinking on his feet when the answers are given rather than continuing with his prescripted questions.
Johnson is poor. No detail. gets angry. Waffles. But it can be effective against someone who doesn't deviate from a line of questioning regardless of what the response is.
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@MaxPB you might be interested in the tidal barrage question in PMQs by a Tory backbencher.0
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In that case, grocery shopping.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I would expect it to be in voucher form with no cash valueBeibheirli_C said:
If he gives us cash we will put it in the bank...RochdalePioneers said:
Fundamentally we're going to have to keep tipping cash into circulation to keep large parts of the economy open. Will be a long term problem to manage that is less bad than the immediate short term contraction of money stopping circulating. If we get the suggested £1,500 in Sunak tokens (2 adults 2 kids) then I'll go and spend £1,500 in tokens in the bits of the economy they are intended for. If we don't then it'll be a few hundred maybe.Philip_Thompson said:
Quantitative Easing.Sandpit said:Sunak has done well so far in the job, he's come across as suited to the role and spoken eloquently about the difficulties we face.
The problem is that all his department has done so far his spend money, to the point where we are looking at an annual deficit to make 2009 cry. At some point, he's going to have to cut spending and raise taxes, or find a way to introduce a big dose of inflation into the economy, that's when life gets more difficult for him.
That said, he deserves our best wishes, there's no easy way out from where we are now.
The Bank has printed £300bn this year which means in reality how much is our deficit this year? Also prevents deflation and adds a bit of much needed inflation into the country.
What's going to matter more is future years. The deficit will have to close again, not this year but before too long.
Spend the cash to keep jobs that will go otherwise in a strategically important industry? Where cash to preserve the jobs is less than the hit of not doing so? Its the 1970s redux.
I am not going to go out and buy stuff I do not need just because somebody gave me a voucher0 -
Because the money you put in (i.e. lend to) the bank doesn't get lent or paid out to someone else.algarkirk said:
I need a bright economist to help me.noneoftheabove said:
Because they will expire and cant be put in a bank.geoffw said:Transferable vouchers? If so then why not cash? If non-transferable then they must be person-specific and that may require proof of identity and imply inefficient allocation.
If everyone gets helicopter money and I put mine in the bank, then the purpose is still fulfilled. Unless the bank sticks it in sock under the bed they put my helicopter money out to be used by someone else who at this moment needs it to spend more than I do, so it still gets spent in the real economy, which was the purpose of the helicopter money in the first place.
It's no answer to say it gets tied up in useless unproductive assets like houses if I put it in the bank. The helicopter money I use on goods and services will also in large part go to pay off mortgages etc....
So why are vouchers better than cash?
I think the likelihood is vouchers limited to specific sectors, especially restaurants etc, with a time-limit on spending them. (Probably not grocery shopping, sorry @Beibheirli_C).0 -
@RochdalePioneers in 2007 John McDonnell stood in the Labour leadership election. If he'd won and we had Prime Minister McDonnell would you accept that was a different government to Tony Blair's Labour government and would have had different priorities and would have gone to a future election on a different manifesto?0
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The change was very marked todayhumbugger said:
Just his health steadily improving. He looks much better now and is noticeably more combative.Big_G_NorthWales said:
He does seem to have upped his gamePhilip_Thompson said:
That was a brilliant response to a bear trap.RochdalePioneers said:
I called it as 0-0 right up until the last question. However, "Why won't you keep free parking for NHS staff" asks Starmer. "Its our manifesto pledge to make it free for the patients as well". At which point Starmer sits there still with a mask on his face internally saying "fuuuuck". 1-0 to Shagger.Philip_Thompson said:Clear Johnson victory this week - only the second time I've said that since Starmer took over.
Starmer needs to do better at thinking on his feet when the answers are given rather than continuing with his prescripted questions.
Johnson is poor. No detail. gets angry. Waffles. But it can be effective against someone who doesn't deviate from a line of questioning regardless of what the response is.
Johnson is getting better at this.0 -
Even if the voucher expires?Beibheirli_C said:
In that case, grocery shopping.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I would expect it to be in voucher form with no cash valueBeibheirli_C said:
If he gives us cash we will put it in the bank...RochdalePioneers said:
Fundamentally we're going to have to keep tipping cash into circulation to keep large parts of the economy open. Will be a long term problem to manage that is less bad than the immediate short term contraction of money stopping circulating. If we get the suggested £1,500 in Sunak tokens (2 adults 2 kids) then I'll go and spend £1,500 in tokens in the bits of the economy they are intended for. If we don't then it'll be a few hundred maybe.Philip_Thompson said:
Quantitative Easing.Sandpit said:Sunak has done well so far in the job, he's come across as suited to the role and spoken eloquently about the difficulties we face.
The problem is that all his department has done so far his spend money, to the point where we are looking at an annual deficit to make 2009 cry. At some point, he's going to have to cut spending and raise taxes, or find a way to introduce a big dose of inflation into the economy, that's when life gets more difficult for him.
That said, he deserves our best wishes, there's no easy way out from where we are now.
The Bank has printed £300bn this year which means in reality how much is our deficit this year? Also prevents deflation and adds a bit of much needed inflation into the country.
What's going to matter more is future years. The deficit will have to close again, not this year but before too long.
Spend the cash to keep jobs that will go otherwise in a strategically important industry? Where cash to preserve the jobs is less than the hit of not doing so? Its the 1970s redux.
I am not going to go out and buy stuff I do not need just because somebody gave me a voucher0 -
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Ok - serious question.
The Great Voucher Giveaway that we are hearing about. I presume it will require some sort of I.T. system to run it?
Govt & IT - not a good mix. When we can expect this economy booster to be ready?0 -
OGH's MP making this point but then demanding an apology from the PM in a non-sequitur.Beibheirli_C said:
Yes.geoffw said:"Stay at home, protect the NHS, save lives". Isn't that where the care home tragedy started?
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I doubt it will work in a supermarket. There will definitely be an aftermarket for the vouchers, you could probably sell it to someone else quite easily unless it needs to be presented with a photo ID.Beibheirli_C said:
In that case, grocery shopping.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I would expect it to be in voucher form with no cash valueBeibheirli_C said:
If he gives us cash we will put it in the bank...RochdalePioneers said:
Fundamentally we're going to have to keep tipping cash into circulation to keep large parts of the economy open. Will be a long term problem to manage that is less bad than the immediate short term contraction of money stopping circulating. If we get the suggested £1,500 in Sunak tokens (2 adults 2 kids) then I'll go and spend £1,500 in tokens in the bits of the economy they are intended for. If we don't then it'll be a few hundred maybe.Philip_Thompson said:
Quantitative Easing.Sandpit said:Sunak has done well so far in the job, he's come across as suited to the role and spoken eloquently about the difficulties we face.
The problem is that all his department has done so far his spend money, to the point where we are looking at an annual deficit to make 2009 cry. At some point, he's going to have to cut spending and raise taxes, or find a way to introduce a big dose of inflation into the economy, that's when life gets more difficult for him.
That said, he deserves our best wishes, there's no easy way out from where we are now.
The Bank has printed £300bn this year which means in reality how much is our deficit this year? Also prevents deflation and adds a bit of much needed inflation into the country.
What's going to matter more is future years. The deficit will have to close again, not this year but before too long.
Spend the cash to keep jobs that will go otherwise in a strategically important industry? Where cash to preserve the jobs is less than the hit of not doing so? Its the 1970s redux.
I am not going to go out and buy stuff I do not need just because somebody gave me a voucher1 -
Yeah, that one makes no sense at all. Alonso is a professional pain in the arse, and not as quick as he used to be either. He'd be much better off heading to Indycar or Le Mans series.Morris_Dancer said:F1: oh, and seen already I imagine, but it's not Hulk returning to Renault. It's Alonso.
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What was it? I don't want PMQs ask find it a waste of time.Philip_Thompson said:@MaxPB you might be interested in the tidal barrage question in PMQs by a Tory backbencher.
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Bank lending doesnt work the way people think, they are not really lending customer deposits out to other customers. So if lots of people deposit money in the bank, they wont up customer lending by the same amount.algarkirk said:
I need a bright economist to help me.noneoftheabove said:
Because they will expire and cant be put in a bank.geoffw said:Transferable vouchers? If so then why not cash? If non-transferable then they must be person-specific and that may require proof of identity and imply inefficient allocation.
If everyone gets helicopter money and I put mine in the bank, then the purpose is still fulfilled. Unless the bank sticks it in sock under the bed they put my helicopter money out to be used by someone else who at this moment needs it to spend more than I do, so it still gets spent in the real economy, which was the purpose of the helicopter money in the first place.
It's no answer to say it gets tied up in useless unproductive assets like houses if I put it in the bank. The helicopter money I use on goods and services will also in large part go to pay off mortgages etc....
So why are vouchers better than cash?0 -
Having blood in your body isn't sufficient, to be healthy you need it circulating.algarkirk said:
I need a bright economist to help me.noneoftheabove said:
Because they will expire and cant be put in a bank.geoffw said:Transferable vouchers? If so then why not cash? If non-transferable then they must be person-specific and that may require proof of identity and imply inefficient allocation.
If everyone gets helicopter money and I put mine in the bank, then the purpose is still fulfilled. Unless the bank sticks it in sock under the bed they put my helicopter money out to be used by someone else who at this moment needs it to spend more than I do, so it still gets spent in the real economy, which was the purpose of the helicopter money in the first place.
It's no answer to say it gets tied up in useless unproductive assets like houses if I put it in the bank. The helicopter money I use on goods and services will also in large part go to pay off mortgages etc....
So why are vouchers better than cash?
Cash circulation is the lifeblood of the economy. You spend it in a shop, the shop pays their staff and pays their suppliers, the staff spend their wages, the suppliers pay their staff and their suppliers and so on - it is all multiplied. Every pound spent may be then re-spent 12x elsewhere whereas cash in the bank just sits there doing nothing.
Vouchers allow circulation. That's the difference.2 -
PMQs today
SKS - Why are you blaiming Care Workers it's your fault
BJ - Careworkers have been brilliant I take full responsibility
SKS - Why are you blaming Careworkers and not taking full responsibility
BJ - I just did I will say again I pay tribute to Careworkers I was not blaming them The Govt takes full responsibility
SKS That's not good enough this Careworker says she is upset that the PM is blaming Careworkers.
BJ Are you fooking deaf or what.
SKS repeat 3rd question
BJ says learn to think on your feet you stupid person.
SKS NHS parking blah blah bore on
BJ Its free and unlike Lab we will make it free for some patients too.
BJ 5-0 SKS
BJ 5 fookin 0
Starmer lucky to get nil
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70 members of staff at Hillingdon hospital in Uxbridge are self isolating and it has closed for emergency admissions due to covid outbreak0
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Upon reading that, were I in Boris' shoes, I'd have backed a British candidate for one of the less senior roles than DG. For DG, I'd have thrown my support behind a candidate from a third country like India or Japan, which would have been a useful friendship to cultivate.CarlottaVance said:No Hoper Fox goes forward:
https://twitter.com/JGForsyth/status/1280811489838981120?s=20
However, perhaps he knows something that we don't - such as having some support 'in the bag' from somewhere.0 -
The furlough and self-employed schemes have worked just fine. Yes government IT projects do go wrong, but not always and some services are genuinely very good now.Beibheirli_C said:Ok - serious question.
The Great Voucher Giveaway that we are hearing about. I presume it will require some sort of I.T. system to run it?
Govt & IT - not a good mix. When we can expect this economy booster to be ready?1 -
It's also a highly visible feel-good idea. Tax cuts are a bit dry, and no one really feels they've been given anything. Five hundred quid to spend, even if it's targeted at specific areas of retail is something solid that you've been "given", even if we all have to pay for it further down the road.Richard_Nabavi said:
Because the money you put in (i.e. lend to) the bank doesn't get lent or paid out to someone else.algarkirk said:
I need a bright economist to help me.noneoftheabove said:
Because they will expire and cant be put in a bank.geoffw said:Transferable vouchers? If so then why not cash? If non-transferable then they must be person-specific and that may require proof of identity and imply inefficient allocation.
If everyone gets helicopter money and I put mine in the bank, then the purpose is still fulfilled. Unless the bank sticks it in sock under the bed they put my helicopter money out to be used by someone else who at this moment needs it to spend more than I do, so it still gets spent in the real economy, which was the purpose of the helicopter money in the first place.
It's no answer to say it gets tied up in useless unproductive assets like houses if I put it in the bank. The helicopter money I use on goods and services will also in large part go to pay off mortgages etc....
So why are vouchers better than cash?
I think the likelihood is vouchers limited to specific sectors, especially restaurants etc, with a time-limit on spending them. (Probably not grocery shopping, sorry @Beibheirli_C).1 -
I have never understood the love in for Starmer. he is very ordinary. Never has the LOTO had so much ammo and he wastes it.MarqueeMark said:
Damning of Starmer that he can't think on his feet.RochdalePioneers said:
I called it as 0-0 right up until the last question. However, "Why won't you keep free parking for NHS staff" asks Starmer. "Its our manifesto pledge to make it free for the patients as well". At which point Starmer sits there still with a mask on his face internally saying "fuuuuck". 1-0 to Shagger.Philip_Thompson said:Clear Johnson victory this week - only the second time I've said that since Starmer took over.
Starmer needs to do better at thinking on his feet when the answers are given rather than continuing with his prescripted questions.
Johnson is poor. No detail. gets angry. Waffles. But it can be effective against someone who doesn't deviate from a line of questioning regardless of what the response is.0 -
That's also a nice comment from yourself. It would have been easy to make a sarcastic joke based on Mr Johnson's previous failures in that regard.kinabalu said:
That's a very unusual and humane spin. Your concern is not so much he is unsuited to be PM but rather that he does not pass up what is probably his last opportunity to create a happy and stable domestic life for himself. He really should, as the old cliche goes, "spend more time with the family".Big_G_NorthWales said:
I hope he will decide to spend more time with Carrie and his youngster post brexit on the 1st January 2021. Anytime after that is fine by mekinabalu said:
Is this a call for Johnson to go? It sounds like it.Big_G_NorthWales said:I would vote for him in a heartbeat.
Hopefully in the member ballot in 20210 -
Tories think Starmer did badly. I am shocked!0
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Utterly stupid. The might of Alonso in a shit car doesn't suddenly make it a good car. He will have to endure Ricciardo tearing past him in the customer McClaren whilst his factory Renault trundles round until breaking downSandpit said:
Yeah, that one makes no sense at all. Alonso is a professional pain in the arse, and not as quick as he used to be either. He'd be much better off heading to Indycar or Le Mans series.Morris_Dancer said:F1: oh, and seen already I imagine, but it's not Hulk returning to Renault. It's Alonso.
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Do you think that "strategically important industries" are defined as those that made valuable contributions to the Tory Party coffers?RochdalePioneers said:
Fundamentally we're going to have to keep tipping cash into circulation to keep large parts of the economy open. Will be a long term problem to manage that is less bad than the immediate short term contraction of money stopping circulating. If we get the suggested £1,500 in Sunak tokens (2 adults 2 kids) then I'll go and spend £1,500 in tokens in the bits of the economy they are intended for. If we don't then it'll be a few hundred maybe.Philip_Thompson said:
Quantitative Easing.Sandpit said:Sunak has done well so far in the job, he's come across as suited to the role and spoken eloquently about the difficulties we face.
The problem is that all his department has done so far his spend money, to the point where we are looking at an annual deficit to make 2009 cry. At some point, he's going to have to cut spending and raise taxes, or find a way to introduce a big dose of inflation into the economy, that's when life gets more difficult for him.
That said, he deserves our best wishes, there's no easy way out from where we are now.
The Bank has printed £300bn this year which means in reality how much is our deficit this year? Also prevents deflation and adds a bit of much needed inflation into the country.
What's going to matter more is future years. The deficit will have to close again, not this year but before too long.
Spend the cash to keep jobs that will go otherwise in a strategically important industry? Where cash to preserve the jobs is less than the hit of not doing so? Its the 1970s redux.0 -
If only we had Corbyn as LOTO still instead. Imagine the triumph he would have had pinning Johnson down on the only important issue of the day - Palestine.bigjohnowls said:PMQs today
SKS - Why are you blaiming Care Workers it's your fault
BJ - Careworkers have been brilliant I take full responsibility
SKS - Why are you blaming Careworkers and not taking full responsibility
BJ - I just did I will say again I pay tribute to Careworkers I was not blaming them The Govt takes full responsibility
SKS That's not good enough this Careworker says she is upset that the PM is blaming Careworkers.
BJ Are you fooking deaf or what.
SKS repeat 3rd question
BJ says learn to think on your feet you stupid person.
SKS NHS parking blah blah bore on
BJ Its free and unlike Lab we will make it free for some patients too.
BJ 5-0 SKS
BJ 5 fookin 0
Starmer lucky to get nil0 -
Forensic Scott.Scott_xP said:0 -
Mr. Sandpit, aye, he's fast but a troublemaker.
Hulkenberg's not as high profile (and probably not as fast) but can be a team player and would want to progress his career beyond a couple of seasons.0 -
I'd be interested - and in the answer!Philip_Thompson said:@MaxPB you might be interested in the tidal barrage question in PMQs by a Tory backbencher.
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It doesn't make sense from any perspective except as a payday for Alonso. Renault aren't going to win a WDC and he's not going to bring enough of a gain to even get them onto the podium. It's a shame McLaren weren't performing at their current level when he was there as he may have been able to eek out a few race victories from this package.Sandpit said:
Yeah, that one makes no sense at all. Alonso is a professional pain in the arse, and not as quick as he used to be either. He'd be much better off heading to Indycar or Le Mans series.Morris_Dancer said:F1: oh, and seen already I imagine, but it's not Hulk returning to Renault. It's Alonso.
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He did.CorrectHorseBattery said:Tories think Starmer did badly. I am shocked!
He was completely shite and unable to think on his feet.
You think that was a triumph?0 -
He doesnt seem particularly likeable but neither is he dislikeable. Id see his job as making Labour a serious party again, and being there in case the govt becomes extremely unpopular by the next election - I think he can deliver on both of those, but wouldnt expect him to make Labour popular enough to beat a govt that has performed averagely or better.NerysHughes said:
I have never understood the love in for Starmer. he is very ordinary. Never has the LOTO had so much ammo and he wastes it.MarqueeMark said:
Damning of Starmer that he can't think on his feet.RochdalePioneers said:
I called it as 0-0 right up until the last question. However, "Why won't you keep free parking for NHS staff" asks Starmer. "Its our manifesto pledge to make it free for the patients as well". At which point Starmer sits there still with a mask on his face internally saying "fuuuuck". 1-0 to Shagger.Philip_Thompson said:Clear Johnson victory this week - only the second time I've said that since Starmer took over.
Starmer needs to do better at thinking on his feet when the answers are given rather than continuing with his prescripted questions.
Johnson is poor. No detail. gets angry. Waffles. But it can be effective against someone who doesn't deviate from a line of questioning regardless of what the response is.0 -
Not just toriesCorrectHorseBattery said:Tories think Starmer did badly. I am shocked!
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Starmer bested Johnson at PMQs again then?0
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No. I think it was poor.bigjohnowls said:
He did.CorrectHorseBattery said:Tories think Starmer did badly. I am shocked!
He was completely shite and unable to think on his feet.
You think that was a triumph?
But PB Tories saying that means absolutely sod all.0 -
I think that too. His biggest challenge is the revival of Labour in Scotland - let's see how he does there.noneoftheabove said:
He doesnt seem particularly likeable but neither is he dislikeable. Id see his job as making Labour a serious party again, and being there in case the govt becomes extremely unpopular by the next election - I think he can deliver on both of those, but wouldnt expect him to make Labour popular enough to beat a govt that has performed averagely or better.NerysHughes said:
I have never understood the love in for Starmer. he is very ordinary. Never has the LOTO had so much ammo and he wastes it.MarqueeMark said:
Damning of Starmer that he can't think on his feet.RochdalePioneers said:
I called it as 0-0 right up until the last question. However, "Why won't you keep free parking for NHS staff" asks Starmer. "Its our manifesto pledge to make it free for the patients as well". At which point Starmer sits there still with a mask on his face internally saying "fuuuuck". 1-0 to Shagger.Philip_Thompson said:Clear Johnson victory this week - only the second time I've said that since Starmer took over.
Starmer needs to do better at thinking on his feet when the answers are given rather than continuing with his prescripted questions.
Johnson is poor. No detail. gets angry. Waffles. But it can be effective against someone who doesn't deviate from a line of questioning regardless of what the response is.0 -
Johnson's constituency.Big_G_NorthWales said:70 members of staff at Hillingdon hospital in Uxbridge are self isolating and it has closed for emergency admissions due to covid outbreak
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Had to go on the road, just got back have I missed anything yet or is he still just doing an introduction?0
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You can't export vouchersalgarkirk said:
I need a bright economist to help me.noneoftheabove said:
Because they will expire and cant be put in a bank.geoffw said:Transferable vouchers? If so then why not cash? If non-transferable then they must be person-specific and that may require proof of identity and imply inefficient allocation.
If everyone gets helicopter money and I put mine in the bank, then the purpose is still fulfilled. Unless the bank sticks it in sock under the bed they put my helicopter money out to be used by someone else who at this moment needs it to spend more than I do, so it still gets spent in the real economy, which was the purpose of the helicopter money in the first place.
It's no answer to say it gets tied up in useless unproductive assets like houses if I put it in the bank. The helicopter money I use on goods and services will also in large part go to pay off mortgages etc....
So why are vouchers better than cash?
You can't spend them on drugs or other illegal activities
They can have an expiry date, to encourage shopping over the summer
Not letting you simply bank it encourages the sort of spending they want to see, in consumption rather than debt repayment.
You are right about inefficiencies in allocation, against which is a desire to avoid a black market developing in the vouchers (which generally involves poorer people selling them on for a cash value much less than the face value).
(Cynical answer) loads of vouchers will be issued but never redeemed, which allows the government to announce one number but actually spend a smaller number.
(Political answer) It's visible in a way that a tax cut isn't. "The government gave me free stuff, thank you very much Mr Johnson and Mr Sunak!".0 -
I have complimented Starmer on previous pmq but he was poor and wooden today, especially as he had an open goal on careCorrectHorseBattery said:
No. I think it was poor.bigjohnowls said:
He did.CorrectHorseBattery said:Tories think Starmer did badly. I am shocked!
He was completely shite and unable to think on his feet.
You think that was a triumph?
But PB Tories saying that means absolutely sod all.0 -
No I think it was probably a Johnson victory on balance. But Johnson isn’t at all “good” like Tories here would have you believe.kinabalu said:Starmer bested Johnson at PMQs again then?
He’s a poor Commons performer and a poor orator. End of story.
Starmer can be good, Johnson never has been. Johnson has only ever won when Starmer had an off day and was perceived as the least bad, Johnson never delivered a killer blow.1 -
Sunak “No nationalist can deny that we have been able to do this as a United Kingdom” - so some in Downing St are listening....3
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I think that's a good point.
Even in "white collar" type industries why should business pay £lots for offices they don't need? I did a video call with someone yesterday from a well established full service marketing agency - they shuttered their office and with the lease up have decided they no longer need it
How many empty offices will there be? And will these be a significant source of new housing?
Permitted development conversions of office / commercial have done 11k new units a year since 2015. There have been a couple of scandals, but high quality conversions are very possible as shown by all those warehouses.
Is this the source of the next wave?
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You’re up Johnson’s backside, don’t try and pretend to be impartial.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I have complimented Starmer on previous pmq but he was poor and wooden today, especially as he had an open goal on careCorrectHorseBattery said:
No. I think it was poor.bigjohnowls said:
He did.CorrectHorseBattery said:Tories think Starmer did badly. I am shocked!
He was completely shite and unable to think on his feet.
You think that was a triumph?
But PB Tories saying that means absolutely sod all.1 -
Hang on. Buy a product / service. That creates jobs. People then have cash to buy a product / service. Sounds neat, it needs a name though. How about Capitalism?Philip_Thompson said:
Having blood in your body isn't sufficient, to be healthy you need it circulating.algarkirk said:
I need a bright economist to help me.noneoftheabove said:
Because they will expire and cant be put in a bank.geoffw said:Transferable vouchers? If so then why not cash? If non-transferable then they must be person-specific and that may require proof of identity and imply inefficient allocation.
If everyone gets helicopter money and I put mine in the bank, then the purpose is still fulfilled. Unless the bank sticks it in sock under the bed they put my helicopter money out to be used by someone else who at this moment needs it to spend more than I do, so it still gets spent in the real economy, which was the purpose of the helicopter money in the first place.
It's no answer to say it gets tied up in useless unproductive assets like houses if I put it in the bank. The helicopter money I use on goods and services will also in large part go to pay off mortgages etc....
So why are vouchers better than cash?
Cash circulation is the lifeblood of the economy. You spend it in a shop, the shop pays their staff and pays their suppliers, the staff spend their wages, the suppliers pay their staff and their suppliers and so on - it is all multiplied. Every pound spent may be then re-spent 12x elsewhere whereas cash in the bank just sits there doing nothing.
Vouchers allow circulation. That's the difference.
Problem is that Capitalism has been largely usurped by bankism. And in Bankism you want the cash to circulate into your own account and not other people's. This government could have done as you said and not slashed things to the bone whilst diverting cash into bankster pockets. But didn't. Thats how we ended up both with record sums spent on the NHS and record cuts to the actual front line.1 -
Except he's not taking responsibility himself. He's blaming care workers.Philip_Thompson said:Starmer Q1: You're blaming care workers
Johnson A1: I take responsibility myself, I pay tribute to care workers
Starmer Q2: You're blaming care workers
Johnson A2: I pay tribute to care workers and we are investing in care homes
Starmer Q3: You're blaming care workers, what do you say to them?
Johnson A3: I pay tribute to care workers and we are investing in care homes1 -
Which party you in this week?RochdalePioneers said:
If only we had Corbyn as LOTO still instead. Imagine the triumph he would have had pinning Johnson down on the only important issue of the day - Palestine.bigjohnowls said:PMQs today
SKS - Why are you blaiming Care Workers it's your fault
BJ - Careworkers have been brilliant I take full responsibility
SKS - Why are you blaming Careworkers and not taking full responsibility
BJ - I just did I will say again I pay tribute to Careworkers I was not blaming them The Govt takes full responsibility
SKS That's not good enough this Careworker says she is upset that the PM is blaming Careworkers.
BJ Are you fooking deaf or what.
SKS repeat 3rd question
BJ says learn to think on your feet you stupid person.
SKS NHS parking blah blah bore on
BJ Its free and unlike Lab we will make it free for some patients too.
BJ 5-0 SKS
BJ 5 fookin 0
Starmer lucky to get nil1 -
Most PB Tories are willing to give Starmer credit when he does well. Maybe not some (never seen BluestBlue say it) but personally this is only the second time I've called it for Johnson since Johnson v Starmer began. I think the same may be true of Big_G for instance.CorrectHorseBattery said:
No. I think it was poor.bigjohnowls said:
He did.CorrectHorseBattery said:Tories think Starmer did badly. I am shocked!
He was completely shite and unable to think on his feet.
You think that was a triumph?
But PB Tories saying that means absolutely sod all.1 -
Job retention bonus! £8000 per employee.0
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You've noticed. So have I. It's a very common trick indeed.noneoftheabove said:
Good question. Why do those who complain about counter culture do so much to promote it by elevating non entities on twitter to the news.MattW said:
Who is Jennifer Boylan and why is she relevant?CarlottaVance said:0 -
"BJ - Careworkers have been brilliant I take full responsibility "bigjohnowls said:PMQs today
SKS - Why are you blaiming Care Workers it's your fault
BJ - Careworkers have been brilliant I take full responsibility
SKS - Why are you blaming Careworkers and not taking full responsibility
BJ - I just did I will say again I pay tribute to Careworkers I was not blaming them The Govt takes full responsibility
SKS That's not good enough this Careworker says she is upset that the PM is blaming Careworkers.
BJ Are you fooking deaf or what.
SKS repeat 3rd question
BJ says learn to think on your feet you stupid person.
SKS NHS parking blah blah bore on
BJ Its free and unlike Lab we will make it free for some patients too.
BJ 5-0 SKS
BJ 5 fookin 0
Starmer lucky to get nil
Did BJ really say that? A massive hostage to fortune like that?
If he did Starmer should have asked him to repeat it and then say "I have no further questions"0 -
Job retention bonus.
Interesting. Very interesting.0 -
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Sunak announces bonus for employers who retain workers after furlough ends in October0
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Rearward Momentumbigjohnowls said:
Which party you in this week?RochdalePioneers said:
If only we had Corbyn as LOTO still instead. Imagine the triumph he would have had pinning Johnson down on the only important issue of the day - Palestine.bigjohnowls said:PMQs today
SKS - Why are you blaiming Care Workers it's your fault
BJ - Careworkers have been brilliant I take full responsibility
SKS - Why are you blaming Careworkers and not taking full responsibility
BJ - I just did I will say again I pay tribute to Careworkers I was not blaming them The Govt takes full responsibility
SKS That's not good enough this Careworker says she is upset that the PM is blaming Careworkers.
BJ Are you fooking deaf or what.
SKS repeat 3rd question
BJ says learn to think on your feet you stupid person.
SKS NHS parking blah blah bore on
BJ Its free and unlike Lab we will make it free for some patients too.
BJ 5-0 SKS
BJ 5 fookin 0
Starmer lucky to get nil0 -
Just untrue and clearly you do not read my postsCorrectHorseBattery said:
You’re up Johnson’s backside, don’t try and pretend to be impartial.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I have complimented Starmer on previous pmq but he was poor and wooden today, especially as he had an open goal on careCorrectHorseBattery said:
No. I think it was poor.bigjohnowls said:
He did.CorrectHorseBattery said:Tories think Starmer did badly. I am shocked!
He was completely shite and unable to think on his feet.
You think that was a triumph?
But PB Tories saying that means absolutely sod all.0 -
The problem is we live in a personality culture and he does not have one. Like him or loathe him it can't be argued that Johnson does not have a personality.noneoftheabove said:
He doesnt seem particularly likeable but neither is he dislikeable. Id see his job as making Labour a serious party again, and being there in case the govt becomes extremely unpopular by the next election - I think he can deliver on both of those, but wouldnt expect him to make Labour popular enough to beat a govt that has performed averagely or better.NerysHughes said:
I have never understood the love in for Starmer. he is very ordinary. Never has the LOTO had so much ammo and he wastes it.MarqueeMark said:
Damning of Starmer that he can't think on his feet.RochdalePioneers said:
I called it as 0-0 right up until the last question. However, "Why won't you keep free parking for NHS staff" asks Starmer. "Its our manifesto pledge to make it free for the patients as well". At which point Starmer sits there still with a mask on his face internally saying "fuuuuck". 1-0 to Shagger.Philip_Thompson said:Clear Johnson victory this week - only the second time I've said that since Starmer took over.
Starmer needs to do better at thinking on his feet when the answers are given rather than continuing with his prescripted questions.
Johnson is poor. No detail. gets angry. Waffles. But it can be effective against someone who doesn't deviate from a line of questioning regardless of what the response is.
Trump is a ridiculous politician but he became POTUS because he was different.
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Yes he did in question one.Beibheirli_C said:
"BJ - Careworkers have been brilliant I take full responsibility "bigjohnowls said:PMQs today
SKS - Why are you blaiming Care Workers it's your fault
BJ - Careworkers have been brilliant I take full responsibility
SKS - Why are you blaming Careworkers and not taking full responsibility
BJ - I just did I will say again I pay tribute to Careworkers I was not blaming them The Govt takes full responsibility
SKS That's not good enough this Careworker says she is upset that the PM is blaming Careworkers.
BJ Are you fooking deaf or what.
SKS repeat 3rd question
BJ says learn to think on your feet you stupid person.
SKS NHS parking blah blah bore on
BJ Its free and unlike Lab we will make it free for some patients too.
BJ 5-0 SKS
BJ 5 fookin 0
Starmer lucky to get nil
Did BJ really say that? A massive hostage to fortune like that?
If he did Starmer should have asked him to repeat it and then say "I have no further questions"0 -
"Captain Hindsight" is a good moniker for Sir Kendrick, though I missed it in the exchanges.1
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Kickstart scheme for new jobs for young people.0
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I guess after rejections from all the serious Parties you have found your levelRochdalePioneers said:
Rearward Momentumbigjohnowls said:
Which party you in this week?RochdalePioneers said:
If only we had Corbyn as LOTO still instead. Imagine the triumph he would have had pinning Johnson down on the only important issue of the day - Palestine.bigjohnowls said:PMQs today
SKS - Why are you blaiming Care Workers it's your fault
BJ - Careworkers have been brilliant I take full responsibility
SKS - Why are you blaming Careworkers and not taking full responsibility
BJ - I just did I will say again I pay tribute to Careworkers I was not blaming them The Govt takes full responsibility
SKS That's not good enough this Careworker says she is upset that the PM is blaming Careworkers.
BJ Are you fooking deaf or what.
SKS repeat 3rd question
BJ says learn to think on your feet you stupid person.
SKS NHS parking blah blah bore on
BJ Its free and unlike Lab we will make it free for some patients too.
BJ 5-0 SKS
BJ 5 fookin 0
Starmer lucky to get nil1 -
He is with Margaret Atwood. But who isn't.CarlottaVance said:
He's seriously out of his depth.....tlg86 said:0 -
Except he's not, he literally said "I take fully responsibility".kinabalu said:
Except he's not taking responsibility himself. He's blaming care workers.Philip_Thompson said:Starmer Q1: You're blaming care workers
Johnson A1: I take responsibility myself, I pay tribute to care workers
Starmer Q2: You're blaming care workers
Johnson A2: I pay tribute to care workers and we are investing in care homes
Starmer Q3: You're blaming care workers, what do you say to them?
Johnson A3: I pay tribute to care workers and we are investing in care homes0 -
He hasn't announced shopping tokens yet. Boooo! @MaxPB wants his Playstation!0
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I agree and someone like Phillips would have been interesting, if potentially volatile. But maybe Labour just needed a steady eddie after their disaster with Corbyn.NerysHughes said:
The problem is we live in a personality culture and he does not have one. Like him or loathe him it can't be argued that Johnson does not have a personality.noneoftheabove said:
He doesnt seem particularly likeable but neither is he dislikeable. Id see his job as making Labour a serious party again, and being there in case the govt becomes extremely unpopular by the next election - I think he can deliver on both of those, but wouldnt expect him to make Labour popular enough to beat a govt that has performed averagely or better.NerysHughes said:
I have never understood the love in for Starmer. he is very ordinary. Never has the LOTO had so much ammo and he wastes it.MarqueeMark said:
Damning of Starmer that he can't think on his feet.RochdalePioneers said:
I called it as 0-0 right up until the last question. However, "Why won't you keep free parking for NHS staff" asks Starmer. "Its our manifesto pledge to make it free for the patients as well". At which point Starmer sits there still with a mask on his face internally saying "fuuuuck". 1-0 to Shagger.Philip_Thompson said:Clear Johnson victory this week - only the second time I've said that since Starmer took over.
Starmer needs to do better at thinking on his feet when the answers are given rather than continuing with his prescripted questions.
Johnson is poor. No detail. gets angry. Waffles. But it can be effective against someone who doesn't deviate from a line of questioning regardless of what the response is.
Trump is a ridiculous politician but he became POTUS because he was different.
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The £1k furlough bonus is politically clever. A sizable amount of cash to offer, and if companies fold before they take it it deflects the blame onto them.1
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Tbf, I'll buy one either way this is just a free way of doing it.RochdalePioneers said:He hasn't announced shopping tokens yet. Boooo! @MaxPB wants his Playstation!
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The Bryn Glas tunnels in Newport. A notorious bottle beck on the M4 the motorway between S Wales and Bristol/London.Theuniondivvie said:Wtf's he on about?
https://twitter.com/PARLYapp/status/1280827707480309761?s=20
Drakeford canned a motorway by pass. Boris was implying he might override Drakeford I guess.
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Can he do that? Constitutionally I mean.welshowl said:
The Bryn Glas tunnels in Newport. A notorious bottle beck on the M4 the motorway between S Wales and Bristol/London.Theuniondivvie said:Wtf's he on about?
https://twitter.com/PARLYapp/status/1280827707480309761?s=20
Drakeford canned a motorway by pass. Boris was implying he might override Drakeford I guess.0 -
Agreed, very clever.RochdalePioneers said:The £1k furlough bonus is politically clever. A sizable amount of cash to offer, and if companies fold before they take it it deflects the blame onto them.
Plus the employers need to be trading through the Festive period and into the new year to claim it. Ones that are able to do that are likely able to continue afterwards.0 -
Oh dear.Theuniondivvie said:Insofar as this is anything more than a stunt, I don't think this manifesto is going to be snapping up more Biden than Trump voters.
https://twitter.com/guardian/status/1280822437391761410?s=20
He's about to get cancelled.0
