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Wearing masks as defense against infection is well-established practice as in much of East Asia. Plus pretty tight government control, to put it mildly. Flouting social distancing & other directives NO a good idea IF you want to stay out of trouble with the powers that be.dixiedean said:
Well. They could organise a peasant army to defeat the most powerful military in history...So you know virus, meh.Peter_the_Punter said:
Why was Vietnam so successful in dealing with the virus? It had asolutely no advantages and many disadvantages to cope with.Black_Rook said:
However important or otherwise obesity transpires to be, it won't be the only determining factor.MarqueeMark said:
No fat people in New Zealand. Not a one....Black_Rook said:
It's going to take a long time to get any solid idea of who had the right approach to tackling the virus and who simply got lucky. Japan may have been exposed to a less lethal strain of Covid-19. Then again...rural_voter said:An island nation, Japan, with *the oldest population in the world*, has 8 deaths per million instead of the UK's 650. Sweden is at 300-400 I think.
It did sensible things and didn't deprive people of their liberty. England is sometimes claimed to be the country which takes liberty most seriously. Ha ha.
Japan may have come closest to what we wanted, i.e. to spread the virus among the young and healthy who'd not come to any harm and protect the vulnerable. The UK apparently did the opposite, by imprisoning the young and healthy and letting the virus into hospitals, doctors' surgeries and care homes. We'll have to wait and see.
Using the WHO criteria Japan has the lowest rate of obesity among the OECD member countries at 3.2%.LadyG said:I made this point recently: we might find out one day that a biggest determinant of who did well, and who did badly, is something as simple as obesity. That would explain East Asian success, especially in Vietnam
https://obesity.procon.org/global-obesity-levels/
Much.
As we all know, New Zealand is a relatively small country, with a low overall population density and is one of the most isolated states on Earth - a remote oceanic archipelago and nobody's idea of a major international air transit hub. That gave it the chance to eliminate the virus with swift and crushing action; Jacinda Ardern picked up that ball and ran with it.
Britain would've required exceptional luck and foresight to replicate those efforts. By the latest when it became obvious that the disease was starting to spread in Northern Italy, we would probably have had to do all of the following:
* bar entry to the country to passport holders from every other country in the world (excluding the Irish; though also see below,) and ban our own citizens from travelling abroad for any reason
* organise a truly vast repatriation exercise to get all our holidaymakers back again, before they had the chance to pick it up in Italian ski resorts and on Spanish beach holidays and bring back hundreds or thousands of separate infections
* slam on a nationwide lockdown to wipe out any isolated cases already in the country
* persuade the Irish Government to do all the same things in lockstep, to avoid infiltration of the disease through the Northern Irish border
And even then considerable problems would've remained. A significant fraction of our trade and food supply is dependent on road transport crossing to and from the near continent on ferries and via the tunnel - all of those truck drivers would have to have been given continued free rein to move back and forth, potentially bringing the disease in with them. And, on a related topic, there's also the steady flow of undocumented migrants trying to get in; you'd expect most or all of those coming by dinghy to be intercepted and taken into custody, but anyone who manages to get in via the back of a lorry route is going to disappear and spread the disease all over the place if they have it. If your islands are 1500 miles from anywhere, rather than a short sea crossing from Calais, then none of these problems apply to you.1 -
Perhaps Laura K. should get the gig, to remove any pretence of impartiality.Big_G_NorthWales said:
It looks like a well known journalist, probably female, will be appointed to act as hostrottenborough said:https://twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/1279002248199225347
As I said early, will end in tears.
It could be very interesting and go either way
I reserve judgment0 -
Or 98.75% in some cases..OnlyLivingBoy said:0 -
A corrupt federal DA is indeed a big fish. Especially when he ends up in the cabinet.Charles said:
A DA isn’t a big fish...SeaShantyIrish2 said:
No. Because that is NOT what they say happened. According to FBI, they've been monitoring her whereabouts for months. They knew where to find her her; they kept her on ice while they were investigating other aspects of this whole, sordid affair.LadyG said:Does anyone believe the FBI literally just found Ghislaine Maxwell in the last week?
Methinks they've been gathering evidence and building case against the really BIG fish. Such as former US district attorney & short-term Trump cabinet member, and no doubt others, implicated in SERIOUS corruption connected with Epstein's (and Maxwell's) original incredible, unbelievable sweetheart plea deal.
Why tip off THESE targets, by moving prematurely against the woman who is the keeper of Epstein's black books, financial records, etc., etc.? Instead, keep building the case, then arrest La Maxwell when the time is right. Either because they've build the basic case OR because she was getting ready to "slither away" yet again.
Check out the reporting on this, and the documentation, BEFORE jumping to conclusions. Anyway, more will be revealed no doubt at her bail hearing scheduled for Monday.
Look at who got the trips to the island.
Can you be a tad less coy about whom you're referring, as ALLEGEDLY tangled up in the Epstein web?0 -
She is not on the list put out by GuidoMexicanpete said:
Perhaps Laura K. should get the gig, to remove any pretence of impartiality.Big_G_NorthWales said:
It looks like a well known journalist, probably female, will be appointed to act as hostrottenborough said:https://twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/1279002248199225347
As I said early, will end in tears.
It could be very interesting and go either way
I reserve judgment
Some surprising names are0 -
Have we covered this latest hilarity?
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jul/03/copenhagens-little-mermaid-branded-racist-fish-in-graffiti-attack
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Do tell.Big_G_NorthWales said:
She is not on the list put out by GuidoMexicanpete said:
Perhaps Laura K. should get the gig, to remove any pretence of impartiality.Big_G_NorthWales said:
It looks like a well known journalist, probably female, will be appointed to act as hostrottenborough said:https://twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/1279002248199225347
As I said early, will end in tears.
It could be very interesting and go either way
I reserve judgment
Some surprising names are0 -
Not at all. I was merely pointing out how just about anything that happens these days will elicit a response along these lines from the other side.Big_G_NorthWales said:
To be fair you are surely not suggesting the candle virgil at no 10 tomorrow night on behalf of the nation remembering those who have lost their lives is empty virtue signallingdixiedean said:
I could believe it of Scott but not yourself to be honest
Often contradicting their own stated opinions about such matters on similar but opposite events.0 -
Why the heck is this being described as "Trump-style"?rottenborough said:https://twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/1279002248199225347
As I said early, will end in tears.
Yes it is White House style but Bill Clinton's White House style that was kept by George W Bush and Obama after Clinton . . . and dropped by Trump. Trump abolished the daily briefings.
To say that Boris is introducing "Trump-style" daily briefings . . . that were done by Trump's predecessors and abolished by Trump is . . . odd.1 -
What's so extraordinary about it? She was living it up on her pimping percentage.Luckyguy1983 said:
IF you think that US legal system imitates the stuffy decorum of English law establishment, then think again.0 -
When I first went to France as a schoolboy in the 1950s on an exchange with a school in a town on the Rhône, there was scrawled in huge letters a painted graffito on the bank of the river saying "Libérez Dreyfus". It must have been there already around 50 years.Nigelb said:
J’amuse ?SeaShantyIrish2 said:This for LadyG, re: conspiracy.
Years after Alfred Dreyfus was exonerated of false charges of having been a German spy, he was playing a game of cards with some acquaintances.
One of his fellow card players happened to mention a current case, where someone was being accused of a criminal conspiracy based on circumstantial evidence.
Then he suddenly realized with whom he was playing, and began apologizing profusely. Of course, he said, we shouldn't jump to conclusions in the absence of overwhelming proof.
"I don't know," replied Dreyfus, "where there's smoke, there's fire!"
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Honouring the dead and promoting far left extremists are equivalent photo opsBig_G_NorthWales said:
To be fair you are surely not suggesting the candle virgil at no 10 tomorrow night on behalf of the nation remembering those who have lost their lives is empty virtue signallingdixiedean said:
I could believe it of Scott but not yourself to be honest0 -
Slick Willie & W & Barack did DAILY presser? Don't remember that.Philip_Thompson said:
Why the heck is this being described as "Trump-style"?rottenborough said:https://twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/1279002248199225347
As I said early, will end in tears.
Yes it is White House style but Bill Clinton's White House style that was kept by George W Bush and Obama after Clinton . . . and dropped by Trump. Trump abolished the daily briefings.
To say that Boris is introducing "Trump-style" daily briefings . . . that were done by Trump's predecessors and abolished by Trump is . . . odd.0 -
I think in general populists have managed the epidemic badly: Trump, Bolsano, Johnson and maybe Putin (although he's hardly a populist these days...)Pulpstar said:
Do you think the pandemic is easier for left wingers as they're naturally more willing to exert state authority than right wingers ?Mexicanpete said:
Merthyr isn't really a self contained county borough. It is an economic desert, so commuting down the A470 to Rhonnda Cynon Taff and Cardiff Council areas for employment and leisure is normal.Black_Rook said:
I suppose that depends on whether or not the Welsh Government thinks the disease is liable to spread further. If the cases are very largely concentrated amongst workers at a single factory, and everybody at that factory has been sent home to self-isolate, then the number of new cases may very well subside as rapidly as it rose.Benpointer said:Merthyr Tydfil next for a local lock-down?
"Merthyr Tydfil saw the highest rate in the UK, with 177 out of every 100,000 people testing positive in the week to 30 June. The spike is attributed to an outbreak at a local meat processing plant.
The government announced it was re-imposing lockdown measures in Leicester on Monday, after a jump in cases last week. New figures released on Thursday show Leicester still had the highest infection rate in England - with 141 cases per 100,000 people in the week to 28 June."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51768274
I'm not at all familiar with the local circumstances in this case, but I'm working on the assumption that the town is being closely monitored, and won't be subject to further measures if there's little or no sign of onward transmission through the rest of the community.
Surprisingly, Drakeford, who I consider an idiiot under normal circumstances has had a reasonable pandemic. He has been forthright, even if it flies in the face of public opinion. If there needs to be a local lockdown, they won't mess about in Wales.2 -
I would be surprised if that got past coding.Charles said:
I had a very surprising conversation with the head of R&D at one of the top global pharmaceutical companies today.glw said:
I expect that tweet will look particularly stupid in a couple of weeks time.Nigelb said:
He basically said that the spike in hospital admissions is because all the emergency funding for the US hospital system is on a per capita basis for Covid cases.
As a result if you go into hospital for any reason- such as broken ankle - you are tested for Covid and, if positive, are reported as being admitted due to coronavirus.
Similarly he said most of the rise in cases is due to overall increases in tests
(My guess is that he is a Republican, although I’ve never asked him. He’s a friend and good client so I have no reason to believe he was being untruthful. He also said that he tries to ignore politicians and the media and base his views in reviewing the science)
It is pretty unlikely that admitted patients would also be coincidentally asymptomatic for Covid-19.
It all sounds like denial to me.0 -
Quite. I didn't think I'd ever said that.TheWhiteRabbit said:
It's made up by the Twitter account. It's not real.slade said:Another relevant quotation from Samuel Pepys. "The taverns are full of gadabouts making merry this eve. And though I may press my face against the window like an urchin at a confectioner's, I am tempted not by the sweetmeats within. A dram in exchange for the pox is an ill bargain indeed".
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There is an excellent documentary re: Hamilton that you may be able to access on PBS website or YouTube. Among the commentators (before 2016) re: AH were . . . wait for it . . . Elizabeth Warren and George W. Bush.OnlyLivingBoy said:
Hamilton is so good. Saw it in the West End but looking forward to watching it this weekend, got a Disney+ subscription just for the purpose.Nigelb said:Review of the Disney Hamilton...
https://www.theatlantic.com/culture/archive/2020/07/disney-plus-hamilton-2020/613834/
Definitely worth paying for a temporary subscription to watch, though the sound quality, particularly some of the individual miking, is a bit off.
Renée Goldsberry is superb.
Warren in particular was very interesting. Said a LOT of nice things about Hamilton. IF she'd been a bit more like she was in that documentary, think she'd have done way better in the primaries. As it was, she veered left trying to capture Bernie's base from him, but failed. AND at same time scared off moderates who would have like the things she said - but they never heard - in her review of Hamilton.0 -
Today I learned. Wales didn't have a Capital city till 1955.
Cardiff got the gig due to its Tory marginals.
Would be Wrexham or Flint today I guess.0 -
Mexicanpete said:
Do tell.Big_G_NorthWales said:
She is not on the list put out by GuidoMexicanpete said:
Perhaps Laura K. should get the gig, to remove any pretence of impartiality.Big_G_NorthWales said:
It looks like a well known journalist, probably female, will be appointed to act as hostrottenborough said:https://twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/1279002248199225347
As I said early, will end in tears.
It could be very interesting and go either way
I reserve judgment
Some surprising names areMexicanpete said:
Do tell.Big_G_NorthWales said:
She is not on the list put out by GuidoMexicanpete said:
Perhaps Laura K. should get the gig, to remove any pretence of impartiality.Big_G_NorthWales said:
It looks like a well known journalist, probably female, will be appointed to act as hostrottenborough said:https://twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/1279002248199225347
As I said early, will end in tears.
It could be very interesting and go either way
I reserve judgment
Some surprising names are
I know you would not associate yourself with Scotts crass remark about an important moment in the NHS historydixiedean said:
Not at all. I was merely pointing out how just about anything that happens these days will elicit a response along these lines from the other side.Big_G_NorthWales said:
To be fair you are surely not suggesting the candle virgil at no 10 tomorrow night on behalf of the nation remembering those who have lost their lives is empty virtue signallingdixiedean said:
I could believe it of Scott but not yourself to be honest
Often contradicting their own stated opinions about such matters on similar but opposite events.
There are times that transend politics and this is one of them0 -
I can’t imagine the U.K. police using the term “slithered” about an alleged criminal.Luckyguy1983 said:0 -
The really important observations in politicsrottenborough said:0 -
I shall just link to Wikipedia rather than passing comment or making any accusationsSeaShantyIrish2 said:
A corrupt federal DA is indeed a big fish. Especially when he ends up in the cabinet.Charles said:
A DA isn’t a big fish...SeaShantyIrish2 said:
No. Because that is NOT what they say happened. According to FBI, they've been monitoring her whereabouts for months. They knew where to find her her; they kept her on ice while they were investigating other aspects of this whole, sordid affair.LadyG said:Does anyone believe the FBI literally just found Ghislaine Maxwell in the last week?
Methinks they've been gathering evidence and building case against the really BIG fish. Such as former US district attorney & short-term Trump cabinet member, and no doubt others, implicated in SERIOUS corruption connected with Epstein's (and Maxwell's) original incredible, unbelievable sweetheart plea deal.
Why tip off THESE targets, by moving prematurely against the woman who is the keeper of Epstein's black books, financial records, etc., etc.? Instead, keep building the case, then arrest La Maxwell when the time is right. Either because they've build the basic case OR because she was getting ready to "slither away" yet again.
Check out the reporting on this, and the documentation, BEFORE jumping to conclusions. Anyway, more will be revealed no doubt at her bail hearing scheduled for Monday.
Look at who got the trips to the island.
Can you be a tad less coy about whom you're referring, as ALLEGEDLY tangled up in the Epstein web?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Saint_James,_U.S._Virgin_Islands
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Well clearly Shapps thinks so.Big_G_NorthWales said:
The really important observations in politicsrottenborough said:
Is The Churchill Factor by Boris Johnson on show? My eyesight isn't so good these days.0 -
Or what you get if you have a crappy electoral system?Andy_JS said:
Trump is what you get when mainstream politicians get detached from the concerns of ordinary voters.nico67 said:Trump is a stain on humanity . Trying to foster further division. Anything as long as it gets him re-elected , it’s a scorched earth policy .
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No idea.Mexicanpete said:
Well clearly Shapps thinks so.Big_G_NorthWales said:
The really important observations in politicsrottenborough said:
Is The Churchill Factor by Boris Johnson on show? My eyesight isn't so good these days.
I am not interested in trivia0 -
This is the scariest political article I have seen in a long time.
https://www.newsweek.com/how-trump-could-lose-election-still-remain-president-opinion-1513975
There's a real worry now that Biden needs to win by an absolute landslide to have a hope of actually becoming POTUS.0 -
Can he explain why the ICUs are being saturated around COVID hotpots? Surely asymptomatic people with non COVID ailments even if they tested positive would not be admitted to intensive care?Charles said:
I had a very surprising conversation with the head of R&D at one of the top global pharmaceutical companies today.glw said:
I expect that tweet will look particularly stupid in a couple of weeks time.Nigelb said:
He basically said that the spike in hospital admissions is because all the emergency funding for the US hospital system is on a per capita basis for Covid cases.
As a result if you go into hospital for any reason- such as broken ankle - you are tested for Covid and, if positive, are reported as being admitted due to coronavirus.
Similarly he said most of the rise in cases is due to overall increases in tests
(My guess is that he is a Republican, although I’ve never asked him. He’s a friend and good client so I have no reason to believe he was being untruthful. He also said that he tries to ignore politicians and the media and base his views in reviewing the science)
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I love it. And the more salacious the better, which is why Mr Johnson is such a fascinating figure.Big_G_NorthWales said:
No idea.Mexicanpete said:
Well clearly Shapps thinks so.Big_G_NorthWales said:
The really important observations in politicsrottenborough said:
Is The Churchill Factor by Boris Johnson on show? My eyesight isn't so good these days.
I am not interested in trivia0 -
Anyway time to go
Have a good nights rest folks
Good night0 -
He's attempting to take the piss out of me.ydoethur said:0 -
Because the Lobby hacks are absolutely furious at the ending of their special, privileged private briefings, in favour of the government spokesperson telling the world what they have to say in their own words.Philip_Thompson said:
Why the heck is this being described as "Trump-style"?rottenborough said:https://twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/1279002248199225347
As I said early, will end in tears.
Yes it is White House style but Bill Clinton's White House style that was kept by George W Bush and Obama after Clinton . . . and dropped by Trump. Trump abolished the daily briefings.
To say that Boris is introducing "Trump-style" daily briefings . . . that were done by Trump's predecessors and abolished by Trump is . . . odd.2 -
Bizarre they should say that as their Covid ICU occupancy rate plunge. They seem to be over the worse of it by some distance.LadyG said:I missed this. Sweden is now accepting that they got it WRONG
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Sweden's prime minister has ordered an inquiry into the country's decision not to impose a coronavirus lockdown after the country suffered thousands more deaths than its closest neighbours.
"We have thousands of dead," Swedish prime minister Stefan Lofven said at a press conference on Wednesday, while admitting that the country's handling had exposed Sweden's "shortcomings," The Times of London reported.
"Now the question is how Sweden should change, not if."
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https://www.businessinsider.com/sweden-opens-inquiry-into-coronavirus-strategy-of-no-lockdown-2020-7?r=US&IR=T0 -
Thanks, Charles. As a totally unconnected observation, methinks that Bill Clinton will be as little heard about/from as his missus re: Biden campaign. Trumpsky may - indeed likely will - try to use Clinton yet again for his own purposes. BUT somehow doubt he or at least his saner advisors will really want to go there.Charles said:
I shall just link to Wikipedia rather than passing comment or making any accusationsSeaShantyIrish2 said:
A corrupt federal DA is indeed a big fish. Especially when he ends up in the cabinet.Charles said:
A DA isn’t a big fish...SeaShantyIrish2 said:
No. Because that is NOT what they say happened. According to FBI, they've been monitoring her whereabouts for months. They knew where to find her her; they kept her on ice while they were investigating other aspects of this whole, sordid affair.LadyG said:Does anyone believe the FBI literally just found Ghislaine Maxwell in the last week?
Methinks they've been gathering evidence and building case against the really BIG fish. Such as former US district attorney & short-term Trump cabinet member, and no doubt others, implicated in SERIOUS corruption connected with Epstein's (and Maxwell's) original incredible, unbelievable sweetheart plea deal.
Why tip off THESE targets, by moving prematurely against the woman who is the keeper of Epstein's black books, financial records, etc., etc.? Instead, keep building the case, then arrest La Maxwell when the time is right. Either because they've build the basic case OR because she was getting ready to "slither away" yet again.
Check out the reporting on this, and the documentation, BEFORE jumping to conclusions. Anyway, more will be revealed no doubt at her bail hearing scheduled for Monday.
Look at who got the trips to the island.
Can you be a tad less coy about whom you're referring, as ALLEGEDLY tangled up in the Epstein web?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Saint_James,_U.S._Virgin_Islands
But like the good book says, a dog returnth to its own vomit. Just ask His Foul Lowness.0 -
White City, London, tonight
https://twitter.com/999London/status/1279167593463635969?s=20
Sadiq Khan has lost control of the streets0 -
It is. However, there are 12 steps outlined there. It would be like landing an accumulator to have all of them occur.rottenborough said:This is the scariest political article I have seen in a long time.
https://www.newsweek.com/how-trump-could-lose-election-still-remain-president-opinion-1513975
There's a real worry now that Biden needs to win by an absolute landslide to have a hope of actually becoming POTUS.
And that is ignoring the quasi pre-revolutionary situation on the Streets right now...0 -
I prefer the judgements of peoples' backdrops to be more teasing or humourous. And apparently he always has an open dispatch box on the go, as this one from May showsrottenborough said:
https://twitter.com/BCredibility/status/12604863203607347260 -
I had a couple of more important things to talk about in a limited window so didn’t prove too deeply.MightyAlex said:
Can he explain why the ICUs are being saturated around COVID hotpots? Surely asymptomatic people with non COVID ailments even if they tested positive would not be admitted to intensive care?Charles said:
I had a very surprising conversation with the head of R&D at one of the top global pharmaceutical companies today.glw said:
I expect that tweet will look particularly stupid in a couple of weeks time.Nigelb said:
He basically said that the spike in hospital admissions is because all the emergency funding for the US hospital system is on a per capita basis for Covid cases.
As a result if you go into hospital for any reason- such as broken ankle - you are tested for Covid and, if positive, are reported as being admitted due to coronavirus.
Similarly he said most of the rise in cases is due to overall increases in tests
(My guess is that he is a Republican, although I’ve never asked him. He’s a friend and good client so I have no reason to believe he was being untruthful. He also said that he tries to ignore politicians and the media and base his views in reviewing the science)0 -
Yes, from 1995: https://www.whitehousehistory.org/press-room/press-timelines/the-white-house-and-the-press-timelineSeaShantyIrish2 said:
Slick Willie & W & Barack did DAILY presser? Don't remember that.Philip_Thompson said:
Why the heck is this being described as "Trump-style"?rottenborough said:https://twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/1279002248199225347
As I said early, will end in tears.
Yes it is White House style but Bill Clinton's White House style that was kept by George W Bush and Obama after Clinton . . . and dropped by Trump. Trump abolished the daily briefings.
To say that Boris is introducing "Trump-style" daily briefings . . . that were done by Trump's predecessors and abolished by Trump is . . . odd.
1995 Press Secretary Mike McCurry started the practice of televising the daily press briefings.
Even if you never paid attention to those three Presidents did you not watch The West Wing and pay attention to CJ Cregg's character?0 -
Not enough on its own to get a Trump - else they'd have had a lot more like him before now.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Or what you get if you have a crappy electoral system?Andy_JS said:
Trump is what you get when mainstream politicians get detached from the concerns of ordinary voters.nico67 said:Trump is a stain on humanity . Trying to foster further division. Anything as long as it gets him re-elected , it’s a scorched earth policy .
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How Trump retains power in the event of defeat is going to be fascinating.rottenborough said:This is the scariest political article I have seen in a long time.
https://www.newsweek.com/how-trump-could-lose-election-still-remain-president-opinion-1513975
There's a real worry now that Biden needs to win by an absolute landslide to have a hope of actually becoming POTUS.
It will surely come to pass, but in what form remains a mystery.
Presumably if the events as described occur and Trump runs the clock down to the electoral college, the bookies call it for Trump nationally and in the states concerned. Is that right?0 -
I'm sure that'll be tough on him when he easily wins re-election next year.LadyG said:White City, London, tonight
https://twitter.com/999London/status/1279167593463635969?s=20
Sadiq Khan has lost control of the streets1 -
James Carville thinks there's a really good chance Trump wont run.
https://www.msnbc.com/morning-joe/watch/james-carville-significant-chance-that-trump-doesn-t-run-868014777520 -
See my later comments.Alistair said:
Bizarre they should say that as their Covid ICU occupancy rate plunge. They seem to be over the worse of it by some distance.LadyG said:I missed this. Sweden is now accepting that they got it WRONG
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Sweden's prime minister has ordered an inquiry into the country's decision not to impose a coronavirus lockdown after the country suffered thousands more deaths than its closest neighbours.
"We have thousands of dead," Swedish prime minister Stefan Lofven said at a press conference on Wednesday, while admitting that the country's handling had exposed Sweden's "shortcomings," The Times of London reported.
"Now the question is how Sweden should change, not if."
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https://www.businessinsider.com/sweden-opens-inquiry-into-coronavirus-strategy-of-no-lockdown-2020-7?r=US&IR=T
I reckon the Swedish PM just HAS to say something like this, given the relatively high death toll. No politician could say "Wow we've done really good, only 5,000 corpses, top marks everyone"
So he sounds regretful and pensive.
As you say, in reality it is quite arguable that Sweden is doing OK, even quite good0 -
He will lose them tomorrow too in Birmingham, Manchester, Leeds and Liverpool as well as London, when the revellry starts in earnest.LadyG said:White City, London, tonight
https://twitter.com/999London/status/1279167593463635969?s=20
Sadiq Khan has lost control of the streets0 -
I just don't think that getting a Bic ligheter out to light one measly candle is a approrriate tribute to the many thousands who have died of Covid 19. A memorial service at Westminster Abbey would be more fitting.dixiedean said:0 -
I saw Hamilton 18 months back. It is a great show, witty, stylish, great contemporary music, reinventing the musical in great style. I loved the supercilious George lll and fopish Lafayette.SeaShantyIrish2 said:
There is an excellent documentary re: Hamilton that you may be able to access on PBS website or YouTube. Among the commentators (before 2016) re: AH were . . . wait for it . . . Elizabeth Warren and George W. Bush.OnlyLivingBoy said:
Hamilton is so good. Saw it in the West End but looking forward to watching it this weekend, got a Disney+ subscription just for the purpose.Nigelb said:Review of the Disney Hamilton...
https://www.theatlantic.com/culture/archive/2020/07/disney-plus-hamilton-2020/613834/
Definitely worth paying for a temporary subscription to watch, though the sound quality, particularly some of the individual miking, is a bit off.
Renée Goldsberry is superb.
Warren in particular was very interesting. Said a LOT of nice things about Hamilton. IF she'd been a bit more like she was in that documentary, think she'd have done way better in the primaries. As it was, she veered left trying to capture Bernie's base from him, but failed. AND at same time scared off moderates who would have like the things she said - but they never heard - in her review of Hamilton.
Ultimately a very conservative theme, of the immigrant in a land of opportunity, made good. The reality is that social mobility is fairly low in the US.0 -
BF seems to be about "This market will be settled according to the candidate that has the most projected Electoral College votes won at the 2020 presidential election. "Mexicanpete said:
How Trump retains power in the event of defeat is going to be fascinating.rottenborough said:This is the scariest political article I have seen in a long time.
https://www.newsweek.com/how-trump-could-lose-election-still-remain-president-opinion-1513975
There's a real worry now that Biden needs to win by an absolute landslide to have a hope of actually becoming POTUS.
It will surely come to pass, but in what form remains a mystery.
Presumably if the events as described occur and Trump runs the clock down to the electoral college, the bookies call it for Trump nationally and in the states concerned. Is that right?1 -
The bad news is Tucker Carlson has been touted as a replacement.rottenborough said:James Carville thinks there's a really good chance Trump wont run.
https://www.msnbc.com/morning-joe/watch/james-carville-significant-chance-that-trump-doesn-t-run-868014777520 -
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Oh, he's a shoo-in. Of coursekle4 said:
I'm sure that'll be tough on him when he easily wins re-election next year.LadyG said:White City, London, tonight
https://twitter.com/999London/status/1279167593463635969?s=20
Sadiq Khan has lost control of the streets
However the wider world is watching.
Khan is not having a good plague. I reckon further political ambitions for him are over. Wider still, this stuff would play well for Farage if he came back with some law and order party1 -
In saying that DOJ & FBI have the net out for some big fish in Epstein affair, do NOT mean that their targets are exclusively Republicans.
Though it IS a fact, that former US District Attorney for Southern Florida, Alexander Acosta, IS a Republican appointed as DA by W, and as Secretary of Labor by Trumpsky. AND he was under consideration to succeed Jeff Sessions as Attorney General. Until, that is, the Miami Herald published story about his interactions with Epstein's lawyers.
AND when Epstein was arrested, Acosta resigned as Labor Sec two weeks later. Coincidence? Conspiracy? Kismet?0 -
Don’t worry. Josh or Toby will come up with some cracking wheeze at the last momentMexicanpete said:
How Trump retains power in the event of defeat is going to be fascinating.rottenborough said:This is the scariest political article I have seen in a long time.
https://www.newsweek.com/how-trump-could-lose-election-still-remain-president-opinion-1513975
There's a real worry now that Biden needs to win by an absolute landslide to have a hope of actually becoming POTUS.
It will surely come to pass, but in what form remains a mystery.
Presumably if the events as described occur and Trump runs the clock down to the electoral college, the bookies call it for Trump nationally and in the states concerned. Is that right?0 -
YOU are more likely to get the nod that that Fucker.Mexicanpete said:
The bad news is Tucker Carlson has been touted as a replacement.rottenborough said:James Carville thinks there's a really good chance Trump wont run.
https://www.msnbc.com/morning-joe/watch/james-carville-significant-chance-that-trump-doesn-t-run-868014777520 -
If only...Charles said:
Don’t worry. Josh or Toby will come up with some cracking wheeze at the last momentMexicanpete said:
How Trump retains power in the event of defeat is going to be fascinating.rottenborough said:This is the scariest political article I have seen in a long time.
https://www.newsweek.com/how-trump-could-lose-election-still-remain-president-opinion-1513975
There's a real worry now that Biden needs to win by an absolute landslide to have a hope of actually becoming POTUS.
It will surely come to pass, but in what form remains a mystery.
Presumably if the events as described occur and Trump runs the clock down to the electoral college, the bookies call it for Trump nationally and in the states concerned. Is that right?1 -
So if votes can't be counted, even through chicanery, the states are "legitimately" called for Trump.rottenborough said:
BF seems to be about "This market will be settled according to the candidate that has the most projected Electoral College votes won at the 2020 presidential election. "Mexicanpete said:
How Trump retains power in the event of defeat is going to be fascinating.rottenborough said:This is the scariest political article I have seen in a long time.
https://www.newsweek.com/how-trump-could-lose-election-still-remain-president-opinion-1513975
There's a real worry now that Biden needs to win by an absolute landslide to have a hope of actually becoming POTUS.
It will surely come to pass, but in what form remains a mystery.
Presumably if the events as described occur and Trump runs the clock down to the electoral college, the bookies call it for Trump nationally and in the states concerned. Is that right?0 -
Have you watched his show?Mexicanpete said:
The bad news is Tucker Carlson has been touted as a replacement.rottenborough said:James Carville thinks there's a really good chance Trump wont run.
https://www.msnbc.com/morning-joe/watch/james-carville-significant-chance-that-trump-doesn-t-run-86801477752
He's very good, within his own terms, even if you despise his politics. Sharp, smart, pointed, adept.
A populist like him would be more worrisome for liberal-left America than a swithering buffoon like the Donald0 -
Seems weird from a UK perspective that one can go straight from senior civil servant to Prime Minister, whilst also having being a mayor at the same time.Andy_JS said:France has a new prime minister.
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In the context of a pandemic and crashing economy this feels, to me, more ominous than the 2nd Summer of LoveSandpit said:
1989 all over again, police v ravers, except without the queues for the phone boxes at South Mimms Services.LadyG said:White City, London, tonight
ttps://twitter.com/999London/status/1279167593463635969?s=20
Sadiq Khan has lost control of the streets
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Hogwash. You must be the LAST person on earth still reading Newsweek.Mexicanpete said:
How Trump retains power in the event of defeat is going to be fascinating.rottenborough said:This is the scariest political article I have seen in a long time.
https://www.newsweek.com/how-trump-could-lose-election-still-remain-president-opinion-1513975
There's a real worry now that Biden needs to win by an absolute landslide to have a hope of actually becoming POTUS.
It will surely come to pass, but in what form remains a mystery.
Presumably if the events as described occur and Trump runs the clock down to the electoral college, the bookies call it for Trump nationally and in the states concerned. Is that right?1 -
"COVID hotpots" - You get invited round to dinner and get infected by the virus.MightyAlex said:
Can he explain why the ICUs are being saturated around COVID hotpots? Surely asymptomatic people with non COVID ailments even if they tested positive would not be admitted to intensive care?Charles said:
I had a very surprising conversation with the head of R&D at one of the top global pharmaceutical companies today.glw said:
I expect that tweet will look particularly stupid in a couple of weeks time.Nigelb said:
He basically said that the spike in hospital admissions is because all the emergency funding for the US hospital system is on a per capita basis for Covid cases.
As a result if you go into hospital for any reason- such as broken ankle - you are tested for Covid and, if positive, are reported as being admitted due to coronavirus.
Similarly he said most of the rise in cases is due to overall increases in tests
(My guess is that he is a Republican, although I’ve never asked him. He’s a friend and good client so I have no reason to believe he was being untruthful. He also said that he tries to ignore politicians and the media and base his views in reviewing the science)0 -
The game's up! I am in fact Sean Hannity!SeaShantyIrish2 said:
YOU are more likely to get the nod that that Fucker.Mexicanpete said:
The bad news is Tucker Carlson has been touted as a replacement.rottenborough said:James Carville thinks there's a really good chance Trump wont run.
https://www.msnbc.com/morning-joe/watch/james-carville-significant-chance-that-trump-doesn-t-run-868014777521 -
Impressive that the Guardian can manage an entire article on the subject without mentioning the party of which the father was an MP:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jul/03/ghislaine-maxwell-follows-her-family-footsteps-into-the-dock0 -
What about Penarth?Mexicanpete said:
He will lose them tomorrow too in Birmingham, Manchester, Leeds and Liverpool as well as London, when the revellry starts in earnest.LadyG said:White City, London, tonight
https://twitter.com/999London/status/1279167593463635969?s=20
Sadiq Khan has lost control of the streets0 -
Eh, he's pretty young still. After 8 years as Mayor it seemed like Boris might struggle to work his way back in after becoming an MP again, but he bided his time and an opportunity came.LadyG said:
Oh, he's a shoo-in. Of coursekle4 said:
I'm sure that'll be tough on him when he easily wins re-election next year.LadyG said:White City, London, tonight
https://twitter.com/999London/status/1279167593463635969?s=20
Sadiq Khan has lost control of the streets
However the wider world is watching.
Khan is not having a good plague. I reckon further political ambitions for him are over. Wider still, this stuff would play well for Farage if he came back with some law and order party
I suppose difficult for Khan might be if Keir does cobble together a win in 2024 he can only come back as a side figure, not an incoming potential saviour after Keir loses.0 -
Nope, not the last: Bill Kristol is as well.SeaShantyIrish2 said:
Hogwash. You must be the LAST person on earth still reading Newsweek.Mexicanpete said:
How Trump retains power in the event of defeat is going to be fascinating.rottenborough said:This is the scariest political article I have seen in a long time.
https://www.newsweek.com/how-trump-could-lose-election-still-remain-president-opinion-1513975
There's a real worry now that Biden needs to win by an absolute landslide to have a hope of actually becoming POTUS.
It will surely come to pass, but in what form remains a mystery.
Presumably if the events as described occur and Trump runs the clock down to the electoral college, the bookies call it for Trump nationally and in the states concerned. Is that right?
https://twitter.com/BillKristol/status/12790995123725066300 -
AND James Carville is as relevant to what's-happening-now as Aaron Burr. Who methinks had a better chance of being president in 1801 that Trumpsky has in 2021.Mexicanpete said:
The bad news is Tucker Carlson has been touted as a replacement.rottenborough said:James Carville thinks there's a really good chance Trump wont run.
https://www.msnbc.com/morning-joe/watch/james-carville-significant-chance-that-trump-doesn-t-run-868014777520 -
Tomorrow could be absolute carnage I fear.
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Yes, but luckily these London incidents are nowhere near the same scale as the 2011 London riots. Can't remember who the mayor was then, losing control of the streets.LadyG said:White City, London, tonight
https://twitter.com/999London/status/1279167593463635969?s=20
Sadiq Khan has lost control of the streets0 -
It has a disturbing plausibility.rottenborough said:This is the scariest political article I have seen in a long time.
https://www.newsweek.com/how-trump-could-lose-election-still-remain-president-opinion-1513975
There's a real worry now that Biden needs to win by an absolute landslide to have a hope of actually becoming POTUS.
I would believe that of Barr.
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I thought it was a car drove round the services carpark with someone hanging out the window shouting "cheesey quaver"! It basicly meant "follow us, we know where the rave is. "Sandpit said:
1989 all over again, police v ravers, except without the queues for the phone boxes at South Mimms Services.LadyG said:White City, London, tonight
ttps://twitter.com/999London/status/1279167593463635969?s=20
Sadiq Khan has lost control of the streets0 -
Someone who calls Trump out for being too Liberal, worries the liberal-left? Hell yes. But a bow tie alone does not a President make.LadyG said:
Have you watched his show?Mexicanpete said:
The bad news is Tucker Carlson has been touted as a replacement.rottenborough said:James Carville thinks there's a really good chance Trump wont run.
https://www.msnbc.com/morning-joe/watch/james-carville-significant-chance-that-trump-doesn-t-run-86801477752
He's very good, within his own terms, even if you despise his politics. Sharp, smart, pointed, adept.
A populist like him would be more worrisome for liberal-left America than a swithering buffoon like the Donald0 -
The article is paranoid nonsense IMO.Nigelb said:
It has a disturbing plausibility.rottenborough said:This is the scariest political article I have seen in a long time.
https://www.newsweek.com/how-trump-could-lose-election-still-remain-president-opinion-1513975
There's a real worry now that Biden needs to win by an absolute landslide to have a hope of actually becoming POTUS.
I would believe that of Barr.1 -
All this stuff about Trump somehow hanging on if he loses is nonsense: if he loses the election, he'll be a loser, and if he's seen as a loser everyone who currently supports him or is loyal to him will run a mile. No one is going to help him hang on. In fact it will turn out they never ever supported him in the first place.5
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Khan is utterly without charisma. He's been a poor and uninspiring mayor. He's a moderate when the job, of LOTO, is already taken by a moderate.kle4 said:
Eh, he's pretty young still. After 8 years as Mayor it seemed like Boris might struggle to work his way back in after becoming an MP again, but he bided his time and an opportunity came.LadyG said:
Oh, he's a shoo-in. Of coursekle4 said:
I'm sure that'll be tough on him when he easily wins re-election next year.LadyG said:White City, London, tonight
https://twitter.com/999London/status/1279167593463635969?s=20
Sadiq Khan has lost control of the streets
However the wider world is watching.
Khan is not having a good plague. I reckon further political ambitions for him are over. Wider still, this stuff would play well for Farage if he came back with some law and order party
I suppose difficult for Khan might be if Keir does cobble together a win in 2024 he can only come back as a side figure, not an incoming potential saviour after Keir loses.
If Starmer loses in 2024 the party will go Left again, in despair. If Starmer does OK, or even wins, well then.
I don't see a route up for Khan.0 -
Given how their neighbours have done Sweden has done shit. Massively more deaths and economy basically just as fucked.LadyG said:
See my later comments.Alistair said:
Bizarre they should say that as their Covid ICU occupancy rate plunge. They seem to be over the worse of it by some distance.LadyG said:I missed this. Sweden is now accepting that they got it WRONG
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Sweden's prime minister has ordered an inquiry into the country's decision not to impose a coronavirus lockdown after the country suffered thousands more deaths than its closest neighbours.
"We have thousands of dead," Swedish prime minister Stefan Lofven said at a press conference on Wednesday, while admitting that the country's handling had exposed Sweden's "shortcomings," The Times of London reported.
"Now the question is how Sweden should change, not if."
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https://www.businessinsider.com/sweden-opens-inquiry-into-coronavirus-strategy-of-no-lockdown-2020-7?r=US&IR=T
I reckon the Swedish PM just HAS to say something like this, given the relatively high death toll. No politician could say "Wow we've done really good, only 5,000 corpses, top marks everyone"
So he sounds regretful and pensive.
As you say, in reality it is quite arguable that Sweden is doing OK, even quite good2 -
At least Trumpsky was fun (for a while) as the Big Boss on US version of "The Apprentice". Wheras your man Fucker was total washout on "Dancing with the Stars"LadyG said:
Have you watched his show?Mexicanpete said:
The bad news is Tucker Carlson has been touted as a replacement.rottenborough said:James Carville thinks there's a really good chance Trump wont run.
https://www.msnbc.com/morning-joe/watch/james-carville-significant-chance-that-trump-doesn-t-run-86801477752
He's very good, within his own terms, even if you despise his politics. Sharp, smart, pointed, adept.
A populist like him would be more worrisome for liberal-left America than a swithering buffoon like the Donald
American may and did elect a boorish buffoon - but NEVER a bad dancer!1 -
No, the only agent provocateur residing in that corner of the Vale of Glamorgan has returned to the smoke, changing his name and gender on the journey back!rottenborough said:
What about Penarth?Mexicanpete said:
He will lose them tomorrow too in Birmingham, Manchester, Leeds and Liverpool as well as London, when the revellry starts in earnest.LadyG said:White City, London, tonight
https://twitter.com/999London/status/1279167593463635969?s=20
Sadiq Khan has lost control of the streets0 -
But they didn't close the schools. Millions of Swedish kids were NOT locked down at home, without an education, damaging mental healthAlistair said:
Given how their neighbours have done Sweden has done shit. Massively more deaths and economy basically just as fucked.LadyG said:
See my later comments.Alistair said:
Bizarre they should say that as their Covid ICU occupancy rate plunge. They seem to be over the worse of it by some distance.LadyG said:I missed this. Sweden is now accepting that they got it WRONG
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Sweden's prime minister has ordered an inquiry into the country's decision not to impose a coronavirus lockdown after the country suffered thousands more deaths than its closest neighbours.
"We have thousands of dead," Swedish prime minister Stefan Lofven said at a press conference on Wednesday, while admitting that the country's handling had exposed Sweden's "shortcomings," The Times of London reported.
"Now the question is how Sweden should change, not if."
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https://www.businessinsider.com/sweden-opens-inquiry-into-coronavirus-strategy-of-no-lockdown-2020-7?r=US&IR=T
I reckon the Swedish PM just HAS to say something like this, given the relatively high death toll. No politician could say "Wow we've done really good, only 5,000 corpses, top marks everyone"
So he sounds regretful and pensive.
As you say, in reality it is quite arguable that Sweden is doing OK, even quite good
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Damp squib with a couple of incidents blown up out of all proportion to appear to be carnage will by my bet.isam said:Tomorrow could be absolute carnage I fear.
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The amount of extended family infections coming out of Texas. I wouldn't be surprised to see hotpox parties.eristdoof said:
"COVID hotpots" - You get invited round to dinner and get infected by the virus.MightyAlex said:
Can he explain why the ICUs are being saturated around COVID hotpots? Surely asymptomatic people with non COVID ailments even if they tested positive would not be admitted to intensive care?Charles said:
I had a very surprising conversation with the head of R&D at one of the top global pharmaceutical companies today.glw said:
I expect that tweet will look particularly stupid in a couple of weeks time.Nigelb said:
He basically said that the spike in hospital admissions is because all the emergency funding for the US hospital system is on a per capita basis for Covid cases.
As a result if you go into hospital for any reason- such as broken ankle - you are tested for Covid and, if positive, are reported as being admitted due to coronavirus.
Similarly he said most of the rise in cases is due to overall increases in tests
(My guess is that he is a Republican, although I’ve never asked him. He’s a friend and good client so I have no reason to believe he was being untruthful. He also said that he tries to ignore politicians and the media and base his views in reviewing the science)0 -
For once great minds think alike!Richard_Nabavi said:All this stuff about Trump somehow hanging on if he loses is nonsense: if he loses the election, he'll be a loser, and if he's seen as a loser everyone who currently supports him or is loyal to him will run a mile. No one is going to help him hang on. In fact it will turn out they never ever supported him in the first place.
BTW did PBers notice that presidential result was a tad close in 1960, 2000 and 2016? Yet power was transferred - away from the party in power - to candidate who ended up with the most electoral votes as scheduled on Inauguration Day.0 -
I wish I could believe that Richard but I can see a situation where "fake votes" becomes the Trumpsters' clarion call.Richard_Nabavi said:All this stuff about Trump somehow hanging on if he loses is nonsense: if he loses the election, he'll be a loser, and if he's seen as a loser everyone who currently supports him or is loyal to him will run a mile. No one is going to help him hang on. In fact it will turn out they never ever supported him in the first place.
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True, but in each of those years the incumbent President was not Donald John Trump.SeaShantyIrish2 said:
For once great minds think alike!Richard_Nabavi said:All this stuff about Trump somehow hanging on if he loses is nonsense: if he loses the election, he'll be a loser, and if he's seen as a loser everyone who currently supports him or is loyal to him will run a mile. No one is going to help him hang on. In fact it will turn out they never ever supported him in the first place.
BTW did PBers notice that presidential result was a tad close in 1960, 2000 and 2016? Yet power was transferred - away from the party in power - to candidate who ended up with the most electoral votes as scheduled on Inauguration Day.0 -
It’s unlikely, but it’s not utterly impossible.Richard_Nabavi said:All this stuff about Trump somehow hanging on if he loses is nonsense: if he loses the election, he'll be a loser, and if he's seen as a loser everyone who currently supports him or is loyal to him will run a mile. No one is going to help him hang on. In fact it will turn out they never ever supported him in the first place.
And the point about the article is that it’s a route for him not to lose.0 -
I never notice anything, that way I am always surprised and excited at any revelation of fact, it's the only way to live.SeaShantyIrish2 said:
For once great minds think alike!Richard_Nabavi said:All this stuff about Trump somehow hanging on if he loses is nonsense: if he loses the election, he'll be a loser, and if he's seen as a loser everyone who currently supports him or is loyal to him will run a mile. No one is going to help him hang on. In fact it will turn out they never ever supported him in the first place.
BTW did PBers notice that presidential result was a tad close in 1960, 2000 and 2016? Yet power was transferred - away from the party in power - to candidate who ended up with the most electoral votes as scheduled on Inauguration Day.0 -
57,000 new cases in the US in one day
A record
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Have to wait a while to know for sure. However, here in Seattle kids I know do not appear to be regressing or freaking out. As for me, well, THAT's a different story!LadyG said:
But they didn't close the schools. Millions of Swedish kids were NOT locked down at home, without an education, damaging mental healthAlistair said:
Given how their neighbours have done Sweden has done shit. Massively more deaths and economy basically just as fucked.LadyG said:
See my later comments.Alistair said:
Bizarre they should say that as their Covid ICU occupancy rate plunge. They seem to be over the worse of it by some distance.LadyG said:I missed this. Sweden is now accepting that they got it WRONG
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Sweden's prime minister has ordered an inquiry into the country's decision not to impose a coronavirus lockdown after the country suffered thousands more deaths than its closest neighbours.
"We have thousands of dead," Swedish prime minister Stefan Lofven said at a press conference on Wednesday, while admitting that the country's handling had exposed Sweden's "shortcomings," The Times of London reported.
"Now the question is how Sweden should change, not if."
***
https://www.businessinsider.com/sweden-opens-inquiry-into-coronavirus-strategy-of-no-lockdown-2020-7?r=US&IR=T
I reckon the Swedish PM just HAS to say something like this, given the relatively high death toll. No politician could say "Wow we've done really good, only 5,000 corpses, top marks everyone"
So he sounds regretful and pensive.
As you say, in reality it is quite arguable that Sweden is doing OK, even quite good
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Nevertheless, if he were to engage in shenanigans it seems far more likely it would be before election day. Once he's already been shown to have lost it's just that much more difficult to get people to sully themselves with fighting it.Mexicanpete said:
True, but in each of those years the incumbent President was not Donald John Trump.SeaShantyIrish2 said:
For once great minds think alike!Richard_Nabavi said:All this stuff about Trump somehow hanging on if he loses is nonsense: if he loses the election, he'll be a loser, and if he's seen as a loser everyone who currently supports him or is loyal to him will run a mile. No one is going to help him hang on. In fact it will turn out they never ever supported him in the first place.
BTW did PBers notice that presidential result was a tad close in 1960, 2000 and 2016? Yet power was transferred - away from the party in power - to candidate who ended up with the most electoral votes as scheduled on Inauguration Day.0 -
Story of every major incident breaching lockdown so far perhaps.Philip_Thompson said:
Damp squib with a couple of incidents blown up out of all proportion to appear to be carnage will by my bet.isam said:Tomorrow could be absolute carnage I fear.
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Respectively, I don't agree. We'll see in four months.Richard_Nabavi said:All this stuff about Trump somehow hanging on if he loses is nonsense: if he loses the election, he'll be a loser, and if he's seen as a loser everyone who currently supports him or is loyal to him will run a mile. No one is going to help him hang on. In fact it will turn out they never ever supported him in the first place.
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What's happening with deaths? Keep hearing about surges in cases in the USA but not heard of surges in deaths yet.LadyG said:57,000 new cases in the US in one day
A record
https://twitter.com/NewsNodes/status/1279171876728836096?s=20
Or is there any evidence COVID deaths are getting buried as something else?0 -
Let's hope you are right.Philip_Thompson said:
Damp squib with a couple of incidents blown up out of all proportion to appear to be carnage will by my bet.isam said:Tomorrow could be absolute carnage I fear.
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Oh, I'm sure there will be lots of conspiracy theories on the internet. That doesn't matter - what matters is what the establishment (in the wide sense) does: judges, senators, House representatives, the Republican Party, the administration as a whole.Benpointer said:
I wish I could believe that Richard but I can see a situation where "fake votes" becomes the Trumpsters' clarion call.Richard_Nabavi said:All this stuff about Trump somehow hanging on if he loses is nonsense: if he loses the election, he'll be a loser, and if he's seen as a loser everyone who currently supports him or is loyal to him will run a mile. No one is going to help him hang on. In fact it will turn out they never ever supported him in the first place.
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I am sure that is true, but if all else fails...kle4 said:
Nevertheless, if he were to engage in shenanigans it seems far more likely it would be before election day. Once he's already been shown to have lost it's just that much more difficult to get people to sully themselves with fighting it.Mexicanpete said:
True, but in each of those years the incumbent President was not Donald John Trump.SeaShantyIrish2 said:
For once great minds think alike!Richard_Nabavi said:All this stuff about Trump somehow hanging on if he loses is nonsense: if he loses the election, he'll be a loser, and if he's seen as a loser everyone who currently supports him or is loyal to him will run a mile. No one is going to help him hang on. In fact it will turn out they never ever supported him in the first place.
BTW did PBers notice that presidential result was a tad close in 1960, 2000 and 2016? Yet power was transferred - away from the party in power - to candidate who ended up with the most electoral votes as scheduled on Inauguration Day.0 -
Regarding the Newsweek article .
If you read the comments pages one there mentions the role of the Secretary of State in certifying the results , having double checked that it’s correct . So 3 out of the 4 states mentioned have Democrats in that role .0
