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The idea that a fictional character character can't interchange racially over time is ridiculous.
Unless the race of the character is integral to the story. For example, Atticus Finch must be white.
He must also be Gregory Peck imo but that is probably just me.
Well it's central to that version of the story, but TKAM could be made with a Hindu Finch and Muslim or Sikh Tom? The only aspect that needs to remain for the story to make sense is a difference between Tom and the rest
For me that would be a work "inspired by" rather than the real thing. But I take the point.
If Finch is non-white, the story would need considerable changes to reflect the reality of what the character Finch has to deal with and the difference to the narrator (his daughter) of his different social position.
It depends where it is set. If it were an adaption set in modern India for instance a Hindu Finch and Muslim Tom could make more sense.
A play with a white Tom and black Atticus in a setting where whites are treated as a lower class of human would be interesting to watch, and challenge the audience to think about some of the realities and absurdities of racism.
Recently something fairly similar was done in Noughts and Crosses.
Quite an interesting idea.
It's just a version of this from the 60s isn't it?
On thread, this is the most recent YouGov write up of their data, published at 7.20pm last night:
"There is now a 15-pt margin between the 56% of Britons who say the government has done a bad job of managing the outbreak and the 41% who believe it has done a good job. The survey was conducted from 27-29 May, prior to the most recent loosening of lockdown regulations."
I'm confused, the graph in the thread shows a net negative rating of -3% not -15%?
Jackson Carlaw, Leader of the Scottish Conservative and Unionist Party. twisting the knife into BoZo’s belly just now on BBC Radio Scotland. He says, repeatedly, that he is “not wholly convinced” by Dominic Cummings’ explanation for his actions.
Classic code for “the man’s a liar”.
Astonishingly, Carlaw has not spoken to his boss BoZo in months. They have only exchanged two text messages since The Clown was released from hospital.
Carlaw sounds like a drowning man, unable to affect either his opponents nor his (supposed) allies.
The Milton Keynes appointee is a real kick in the groin.
MK? *googles for land of concrete coos* Ah - now I see. Blood is sure thicker than residence when it comes to Tories. But what a dunt in the baws to the actual Scottish Tories. Remiunds me of the day when the Scottish Office was run by a MP from Weston-Super-Mare IIRC.
The new Scottish office minister was born in Hamilton and went to school in Glasgow.
He is Scottish, he just represents an English seat
Your lot howled when Labour and LD MPs from Scotland voted on English matters (a sentiment the SNP entirely sympathise with).
Also - do you think race/genetics/blood rather than voter representation is more important?
That's a point. Presumably the new under-assistant, deputy panjandrum won't be voting on the Scotland only matters that he's supposed to be helping to formulate?
HY is a blood and soil nationalist.
You gotta laugh at Tories. Remember when they screamed their heads off at a jock being their prime minister.
Your the supporter of the Nationalist party not me.
Personally I also never questioned Brown's right to be PM under our parliamentary system
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Michael Portillo has a programme that is critical of the British Empire each Friday night at the moment on Ch5. So far it has covered India, the Caribbean and South Africa, well worth a watch.
What bothers me is that the people negatively impacted by immigration tend to be the poor in the country emigrated to - the establishment in England still live off the riches gained from exploiting the commonwealth subjects, while those who never did have to compete with their descendants for jobs and state services. New housing estates and hospitals that the growing population require should be built on the land and funded by the money that went to the profiteers of the slave trade.
Though I note your use of the word "tend to", I'm not sure it's even as simple as that. The English poor did not benefit so much directly from plantation ownership, but they consumed cheap sugar and tobacco made by slave labour as well. And I'm not aware of much evidence that its origins bothered them, at least until after 1809.
And the recent waves of immigration have probably made public services, often used by the white working classes, cheaper and better than would otherwise be the case. There have been positive, as well as negative, impacts.
The indirect effects of immigration on different parts of the UK are so complex, dynamic and controversial that they defy any simple summary, which is frustrating for those who like to apportion blame.
Jackson Carlaw, Leader of the Scottish Conservative and Unionist Party. twisting the knife into BoZo’s belly just now on BBC Radio Scotland. He says, repeatedly, that he is “not wholly convinced” by Dominic Cummings’ explanation for his actions.
Classic code for “the man’s a liar”.
Astonishingly, Carlaw has not spoken to his boss BoZo in months. They have only exchanged two text messages since The Clown was released from hospital.
Carlaw sounds like a drowning man, unable to affect either his opponents nor his (supposed) allies.
The Milton Keynes appointee is a real kick in the groin.
MK? *googles for land of concrete coos* Ah - now I see. Blood is sure thicker than residence when it comes to Tories. But what a dunt in the baws to the actual Scottish Tories. Remiunds me of the day when the Scottish Office was run by a MP from Weston-Super-Mare IIRC.
I will defer to our actual Scottish posters on this (and we can always rely on Malc for a fair and balanced appraisal of the situation), but right now it looks to me as if the Conservatives are going to get absolutely, utterly, walloped in the Holyrood elections next year. As in a panda-level event.
I would say Tories in Scotland have solid bedrock of 20%, who are the "British rather than Scottish" crowd. More than panda-level. The Tories have nothing to offer the other 80% however. The Ruth Davidson brand of unionism has been comprehensively trashed by the Brexit Party insurgency, aka the Conservative Party.
It has never been successfully explained to me why people can't be both British and Scottish.
Ask HYUFD why he can’t be both European and British.
I never said you can't, I have a British passport and voted Remain
You said only a few days ago that Britain was not part of Europe.
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I don't want to attach my picture to another person's comment. I just want to post a fresh comment with the picture. Sorry I am being a complete idiot.
Professor Karl Friston is a computer modelling expert, world-renowned for his contributions to neuroscience. He has been applying his "dynamic causal modelling" approach to the Covid-19 pandemic, and has reached some startling results.
- The differences between countries are not primarily down to government actions, but due to 'intrinsic' differences in the populations
- We don't yet fully understand what is driving it, although there are theories ranging from levels of vitamin D to genetic differences
- In each country, there appears to be a portion of the population that is 'not even in the game' - that is, not susceptible to Covid-19. This varies hugely between countries
- In the UK, Professor Friston estimates that portion to be at least 50%, and probably more like 80%
- The similar mortality results between Sweden (no lockdown) and the UK (lockdown) are best explained by the fact that in reality there was no difference - the impact of the legal lockdown in Professor Friston's models "literally goes away".
So what are the intrinsic differences between Swedes, Norwegians, and Danes?
Those numbers from Friston on the UK are very interesting. 80% 'not in the game' that's an even bigger dark matter estimate than Professor Gupta's
That was effectively his maximum figure though. His central forecast was essentially that 50% are non-susceptible (still a large proportion).
That’s insane. Spike Milligan is buried, IIRC, in Sussex with “Dúirt mé leat go raibh mé breoite”, Irish for "I told you I was ill", on his gravestone. The local Anglican diocese in fact said it HAD to be written in Irish.
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Michael Portillo has a programme that is critical of the British Empire each Friday night at the moment on Ch5. So far it has covered India, the Caribbean and South Africa, well worth a watch.
What bothers me is that the people negatively impacted by immigration tend to be the poor in the country emigrated to - the establishment in England still live off the riches gained from exploiting the commonwealth subjects, while those who never did have to compete with their descendants for jobs and state services. New housing estates and hospitals that the growing population require should be built on the land and funded by the money that went to the profiteers of the slave trade.
Though I note your use of the word "tend to", I'm not sure it's even as simple as that. The English poor did not benefit so much directly from plantation ownership, but they consumed cheap sugar and tobacco made by slave labour as well. And I'm not aware of much evidence that its origins bothered them, at least until after 1809.
And the recent waves of immigration have probably made public services, often used by the white working classes, cheaper and better than would otherwise be the case. There have been positive, as well as negative, impacts.
The indirect effects of immigration on different parts of the UK are so complex, dynamic and controversial that they defy any simple summary, which is frustrating for those who like to apportion blame.
If we are being picky, access to cheap sugar and tobacco didn't benefit them at all!
I take your point, and I did meant to imply that the whole country benefited, but the poor had their lives made bearable whilst the rich still live a life of absolute luxury today on the back of it.
That’s insane. Spike Milligan is buried, IIRC, in Sussex with “Dúirt mé leat go raibh mé breoite”, Irish for "I told you I was ill", on his gravestone. Absolutely the wrong decision.
An easy win for the family on appeal, I would have thought.
Jackson Carlaw, Leader of the Scottish Conservative and Unionist Party. twisting the knife into BoZo’s belly just now on BBC Radio Scotland. He says, repeatedly, that he is “not wholly convinced” by Dominic Cummings’ explanation for his actions.
Classic code for “the man’s a liar”.
Astonishingly, Carlaw has not spoken to his boss BoZo in months. They have only exchanged two text messages since The Clown was released from hospital.
Carlaw sounds like a drowning man, unable to affect either his opponents nor his (supposed) allies.
The Milton Keynes appointee is a real kick in the groin.
MK? *googles for land of concrete coos* Ah - now I see. Blood is sure thicker than residence when it comes to Tories. But what a dunt in the baws to the actual Scottish Tories. Remiunds me of the day when the Scottish Office was run by a MP from Weston-Super-Mare IIRC.
I will defer to our actual Scottish posters on this (and we can always rely on Malc for a fair and balanced appraisal of the situation), but right now it looks to me as if the Conservatives are going to get absolutely, utterly, walloped in the Holyrood elections next year. As in a panda-level event.
I would say Tories in Scotland have solid bedrock of 20%, who are the "British rather than Scottish" crowd. More than panda-level. The Tories have nothing to offer the other 80% however. The Ruth Davidson brand of unionism has been comprehensively trashed by the Brexit Party insurgency, aka the Conservative Party.
It has never been successfully explained to me why people can't be both British and Scottish.
Ask HYUFD why he can’t be both European and British.
I never said you can't, I have a British passport and voted Remain
You said only a few days ago that Britain was not part of Europe.
Of course Britain is part of Europe. Not wanting to belong to a political organisation doesn't change the geography.
Of course Scotland is part of Britain. Not wanting to belong to a political organisation doesn't change the geography.
The idea that a fictional character character can't interchange racially over time is ridiculous.
Unless the race of the character is integral to the story. For example, Atticus Finch must be white.
He must also be Gregory Peck imo but that is probably just me.
Well it's central to that version of the story, but TKAM could be made with a Hindu Finch and Muslim or Sikh Tom? The only aspect that needs to remain for the story to make sense is a difference between Tom and the rest
For me that would be a work "inspired by" rather than the real thing. But I take the point.
If Finch is non-white, the story would need considerable changes to reflect the reality of what the character Finch has to deal with and the difference to the narrator (his daughter) of his different social position.
I think it would need to transfer to another place and time entirely. The story drips in USA dixie 1950s slavery ambience. You could do something equivalent but not the same set somewhere else with a different pair of oppressor oppressed groupings.
Some reflections on TKAM in this interesting tweet.
Jackson Carlaw, Leader of the Scottish Conservative and Unionist Party. twisting the knife into BoZo’s belly just now on BBC Radio Scotland. He says, repeatedly, that he is “not wholly convinced” by Dominic Cummings’ explanation for his actions.
Classic code for “the man’s a liar”.
Astonishingly, Carlaw has not spoken to his boss BoZo in months. They have only exchanged two text messages since The Clown was released from hospital.
Carlaw sounds like a drowning man, unable to affect either his opponents nor his (supposed) allies.
The Milton Keynes appointee is a real kick in the groin.
MK? *googles for land of concrete coos* Ah - now I see. Blood is sure thicker than residence when it comes to Tories. But what a dunt in the baws to the actual Scottish Tories. Remiunds me of the day when the Scottish Office was run by a MP from Weston-Super-Mare IIRC.
The new Scottish office minister was born in Hamilton and went to school in Glasgow.
He is Scottish, he just represents an English seat
Your lot howled when Labour and LD MPs from Scotland voted on English matters (a sentiment the SNP entirely sympathise with).
Also - do you think race/genetics/blood rather than voter representation is more important?
That's a point. Presumably the new under-assistant, deputy panjandrum won't be voting on the Scotland only matters that he's supposed to be helping to formulate?
HY is a blood and soil nationalist.
You gotta laugh at Tories. Remember when they screamed their heads off at a jock being their prime minister.
I think it was him being Labour that caused that.
Nonsense. The air was thick with ant-Scottish venom.
Didfn't Speaker Martin catch some of that as well?
Jackson Carlaw, Leader of the Scottish Conservative and Unionist Party. twisting the knife into BoZo’s belly just now on BBC Radio Scotland. He says, repeatedly, that he is “not wholly convinced” by Dominic Cummings’ explanation for his actions.
Classic code for “the man’s a liar”.
Astonishingly, Carlaw has not spoken to his boss BoZo in months. They have only exchanged two text messages since The Clown was released from hospital.
Carlaw sounds like a drowning man, unable to affect either his opponents nor his (supposed) allies.
The Milton Keynes appointee is a real kick in the groin.
MK? *googles for land of concrete coos* Ah - now I see. Blood is sure thicker than residence when it comes to Tories. But what a dunt in the baws to the actual Scottish Tories. Remiunds me of the day when the Scottish Office was run by a MP from Weston-Super-Mare IIRC.
I will defer to our actual Scottish posters on this (and we can always rely on Malc for a fair and balanced appraisal of the situation), but right now it looks to me as if the Conservatives are going to get absolutely, utterly, walloped in the Holyrood elections next year. As in a panda-level event.
I would say Tories in Scotland have solid bedrock of 20%, who are the "British rather than Scottish" crowd. More than panda-level. The Tories have nothing to offer the other 80% however. The Ruth Davidson brand of unionism has been comprehensively trashed by the Brexit Party insurgency, aka the Conservative Party.
It has never been successfully explained to me why people can't be both British and Scottish.
Ask HYUFD why he can’t be both European and British.
I never said you can't, I have a British passport and voted Remain
You said only a few days ago that Britain was not part of Europe.
Of course Britain is part of Europe. Not wanting to belong to a political organisation doesn't change the geography.
Of course Scotland is part of Britain. Not wanting to belong to a political organisation doesn't change the geography.
Except for the referendum where they decided they did want to be part of the UK, correct.
Professor Karl Friston is a computer modelling expert, world-renowned for his contributions to neuroscience. He has been applying his "dynamic causal modelling" approach to the Covid-19 pandemic, and has reached some startling results.
- The differences between countries are not primarily down to government actions, but due to 'intrinsic' differences in the populations
- We don't yet fully understand what is driving it, although there are theories ranging from levels of vitamin D to genetic differences
- In each country, there appears to be a portion of the population that is 'not even in the game' - that is, not susceptible to Covid-19. This varies hugely between countries
- In the UK, Professor Friston estimates that portion to be at least 50%, and probably more like 80%
- The similar mortality results between Sweden (no lockdown) and the UK (lockdown) are best explained by the fact that in reality there was no difference - the impact of the legal lockdown in Professor Friston's models "literally goes away".
If it turns out that "The differences between countries are not primarily down to government actions, but due to 'intrinsic' differences in the populations", the criticism of our governments actions by people who were sure they knew best will age particularly badly
Why do I get the distinct feeling that Professor Karl Friston (UCL) is about to join Professor Sunetra Gupta (Oxon) in the PB smear tank?
For the same reason that he'll join the icons of the "I don't want to be locked down" cheerleaders?
Got to say, the explanation for the differences between Norway and Sweden that the tenfold extra death rate in Sweden is down to innate intrinsic differences between Norwegians and Swedes rather than Government action is a little hard to swallow.
Extraordinary claims need extraordinary evidence, after all. I'm not qualified to do a detailed critique of an epidemiological model, but a couple of red flags flutter in front of me.
One is that there's not much doubt that there is a germ involved in this disease, so you have to do a lot of explaining to justify the claim that extreme measures to stop the spread of that germ don't affect its spread.
Linked to that, saying that there is a massive unexplained factor which explains all the differences better than the standard model is possible, but needs extraordinary evidence.
Thirdly, saying that Sweden and the UK have similar outcomes isn't that surprising. Sweden did about as much as can be done short of a lockdown, and the UK's lockdown was about as soft as can still count as a lockdown. The similarity of their outcomes shouldn't be that much of a surprise. Comparisons like Sweden-Norway are much more instructive.
This isn't to say that Prof Friston is wrong. And modelling phenomena with not much data when you don't even know the shape of the model to use is blooming difficult. So don't smear him. But don't act as if he's definitely right either.
Jackson Carlaw, Leader of the Scottish Conservative and Unionist Party. twisting the knife into BoZo’s belly just now on BBC Radio Scotland. He says, repeatedly, that he is “not wholly convinced” by Dominic Cummings’ explanation for his actions.
Classic code for “the man’s a liar”.
Astonishingly, Carlaw has not spoken to his boss BoZo in months. They have only exchanged two text messages since The Clown was released from hospital.
Carlaw sounds like a drowning man, unable to affect either his opponents nor his (supposed) allies.
The Milton Keynes appointee is a real kick in the groin.
MK? *googles for land of concrete coos* Ah - now I see. Blood is sure thicker than residence when it comes to Tories. But what a dunt in the baws to the actual Scottish Tories. Remiunds me of the day when the Scottish Office was run by a MP from Weston-Super-Mare IIRC.
I will defer to our actual Scottish posters on this (and we can always rely on Malc for a fair and balanced appraisal of the situation), but right now it looks to me as if the Conservatives are going to get absolutely, utterly, walloped in the Holyrood elections next year. As in a panda-level event.
I would say Tories in Scotland have solid bedrock of 20%, who are the "British rather than Scottish" crowd. More than panda-level. The Tories have nothing to offer the other 80% however. The Ruth Davidson brand of unionism has been comprehensively trashed by the Brexit Party insurgency, aka the Conservative Party.
It has never been successfully explained to me why people can't be both British and Scottish.
Ask HYUFD why he can’t be both European and British.
I never said you can't, I have a British passport and voted Remain
You said only a few days ago that Britain was not part of Europe.
Of course Britain is part of Europe. Not wanting to belong to a political organisation doesn't change the geography.
Of course Scotland is part of Britain. Not wanting to belong to a political organisation doesn't change the geography.
Quite. Britain is an island, not a country. Hence why SNP wants to "break up Britain" is a daft line – as far as I know few nationalists advocate installing some sort of giant jigsaw to run through the Cheviots.
Jackson Carlaw, Leader of the Scottish Conservative and Unionist Party. twisting the knife into BoZo’s belly just now on BBC Radio Scotland. He says, repeatedly, that he is “not wholly convinced” by Dominic Cummings’ explanation for his actions.
Classic code for “the man’s a liar”.
Astonishingly, Carlaw has not spoken to his boss BoZo in months. They have only exchanged two text messages since The Clown was released from hospital.
Carlaw sounds like a drowning man, unable to affect either his opponents nor his (supposed) allies.
The Milton Keynes appointee is a real kick in the groin.
MK? *googles for land of concrete coos* Ah - now I see. Blood is sure thicker than residence when it comes to Tories. But what a dunt in the baws to the actual Scottish Tories. Remiunds me of the day when the Scottish Office was run by a MP from Weston-Super-Mare IIRC.
The new Scottish office minister was born in Hamilton and went to school in Glasgow.
He is Scottish, he just represents an English seat
Your lot howled when Labour and LD MPs from Scotland voted on English matters (a sentiment the SNP entirely sympathise with).
Also - do you think race/genetics/blood rather than voter representation is more important?
That's a point. Presumably the new under-assistant, deputy panjandrum won't be voting on the Scotland only matters that he's supposed to be helping to formulate?
HY is a blood and soil nationalist.
You gotta laugh at Tories. Remember when they screamed their heads off at a jock being their prime minister.
I think it was him being Labour that caused that.
What, not him being a 'one-eyed Scottish idiot'?
You think the main reason for them supposedly "screaming their heads off" was because he was Scottish?
Who said main? I think it was a factor. Unlike Blair, Brown was very identifiably Scottish, regardless of all the Gascoigne goal luvvin', Arctic Monkeys fandom pish he tried. Of course the opposite also applies, why do you think David 'English' Cameron was kept away from any real live Jocks during the indy campaign?
Exactly right. Significant hearing loss is a pretty bad symptom.
That graph was pretty devastating - very clear high frequency loss.
Plus no discussion one way or another of the onset of tinnitus, or of balance organ damage (like Meniere's), that I could see, either. Those would be real worries.
This has sadly happened to somebody I know. Severe high frequency hearing loss in one ear. Permanent. Probable cause, a virus. Told not to rule out Covid-19 even though no other symptoms.
Jackson Carlaw, Leader of the Scottish Conservative and Unionist Party. twisting the knife into BoZo’s belly just now on BBC Radio Scotland. He says, repeatedly, that he is “not wholly convinced” by Dominic Cummings’ explanation for his actions.
Classic code for “the man’s a liar”.
Astonishingly, Carlaw has not spoken to his boss BoZo in months. They have only exchanged two text messages since The Clown was released from hospital.
Carlaw sounds like a drowning man, unable to affect either his opponents nor his (supposed) allies.
The Milton Keynes appointee is a real kick in the groin.
MK? *googles for land of concrete coos* Ah - now I see. Blood is sure thicker than residence when it comes to Tories. But what a dunt in the baws to the actual Scottish Tories. Remiunds me of the day when the Scottish Office was run by a MP from Weston-Super-Mare IIRC.
I will defer to our actual Scottish posters on this (and we can always rely on Malc for a fair and balanced appraisal of the situation), but right now it looks to me as if the Conservatives are going to get absolutely, utterly, walloped in the Holyrood elections next year. As in a panda-level event.
I would say Tories in Scotland have solid bedrock of 20%, who are the "British rather than Scottish" crowd. More than panda-level. The Tories have nothing to offer the other 80% however. The Ruth Davidson brand of unionism has been comprehensively trashed by the Brexit Party insurgency, aka the Conservative Party.
It has never been successfully explained to me why people can't be both British and Scottish.
Ask HYUFD why he can’t be both European and British.
And there are the folk who are British and Irish by law and treaty, whose Irishness is being denied by the government Mr HYUFD supports.
Far from it, the government has avoided a hard border with the Republic of Ireland while keeping Northern Ireland in the UK
That is because they put a customs barrier down the Irish Sea, as any fule kno.
But I was talking about being an Irish citizen and British subject. See this:
Jackson Carlaw, Leader of the Scottish Conservative and Unionist Party. twisting the knife into BoZo’s belly just now on BBC Radio Scotland. He says, repeatedly, that he is “not wholly convinced” by Dominic Cummings’ explanation for his actions.
Classic code for “the man’s a liar”.
Astonishingly, Carlaw has not spoken to his boss BoZo in months. They have only exchanged two text messages since The Clown was released from hospital.
Carlaw sounds like a drowning man, unable to affect either his opponents nor his (supposed) allies.
The Milton Keynes appointee is a real kick in the groin.
MK? *googles for land of concrete coos* Ah - now I see. Blood is sure thicker than residence when it comes to Tories. But what a dunt in the baws to the actual Scottish Tories. Remiunds me of the day when the Scottish Office was run by a MP from Weston-Super-Mare IIRC.
I will defer to our actual Scottish posters on this (and we can always rely on Malc for a fair and balanced appraisal of the situation), but right now it looks to me as if the Conservatives are going to get absolutely, utterly, walloped in the Holyrood elections next year. As in a panda-level event.
I would say Tories in Scotland have solid bedrock of 20%, who are the "British rather than Scottish" crowd. More than panda-level. The Tories have nothing to offer the other 80% however. The Ruth Davidson brand of unionism has been comprehensively trashed by the Brexit Party insurgency, aka the Conservative Party.
It has never been successfully explained to me why people can't be both British and Scottish.
Ask HYUFD why he can’t be both European and British.
I never said you can't, I have a British passport and voted Remain
You said only a few days ago that Britain was not part of Europe.
Of course Britain is part of Europe. Not wanting to belong to a political organisation doesn't change the geography.
Of course Scotland is part of Britain. Not wanting to belong to a political organisation doesn't change the geography.
Except for the referendum where they decided they did want to be part of the UK, correct.
Scotland is a completely automonous country.
And Sweden should have exactly the same Covid death rate as the countries nearest it
Jackson Carlaw, Leader of the Scottish Conservative and Unionist Party. twisting the knife into BoZo’s belly just now on BBC Radio Scotland. He says, repeatedly, that he is “not wholly convinced” by Dominic Cummings’ explanation for his actions.
Classic code for “the man’s a liar”.
Astonishingly, Carlaw has not spoken to his boss BoZo in months. They have only exchanged two text messages since The Clown was released from hospital.
Carlaw sounds like a drowning man, unable to affect either his opponents nor his (supposed) allies.
The Milton Keynes appointee is a real kick in the groin.
MK? *googles for land of concrete coos* Ah - now I see. Blood is sure thicker than residence when it comes to Tories. But what a dunt in the baws to the actual Scottish Tories. Remiunds me of the day when the Scottish Office was run by a MP from Weston-Super-Mare IIRC.
The new Scottish office minister was born in Hamilton and went to school in Glasgow.
He is Scottish, he just represents an English seat
Your lot howled when Labour and LD MPs from Scotland voted on English matters (a sentiment the SNP entirely sympathise with).
Also - do you think race/genetics/blood rather than voter representation is more important?
That's a point. Presumably the new under-assistant, deputy panjandrum won't be voting on the Scotland only matters that he's supposed to be helping to formulate?
HY is a blood and soil nationalist.
You gotta laugh at Tories. Remember when they screamed their heads off at a jock being their prime minister.
I think it was him being Labour that caused that.
What, not him being a 'one-eyed Scottish idiot'?
You think the main reason for them supposedly "screaming their heads off" was because he was Scottish?
Who said main? I think it was a factor. Unlike Blair, Brown was very identifiably Scottish, regardless of all the Gascoigne goal luvvin', Arctic Monkeys fandom pish he tried. Of course the opposite also applies, why do you think David 'English' Cameron was kept away from any real live Jocks during the indy campaign?
Jackson Carlaw, Leader of the Scottish Conservative and Unionist Party. twisting the knife into BoZo’s belly just now on BBC Radio Scotland. He says, repeatedly, that he is “not wholly convinced” by Dominic Cummings’ explanation for his actions.
Classic code for “the man’s a liar”.
Astonishingly, Carlaw has not spoken to his boss BoZo in months. They have only exchanged two text messages since The Clown was released from hospital.
Carlaw sounds like a drowning man, unable to affect either his opponents nor his (supposed) allies.
The Milton Keynes appointee is a real kick in the groin.
MK? *googles for land of concrete coos* Ah - now I see. Blood is sure thicker than residence when it comes to Tories. But what a dunt in the baws to the actual Scottish Tories. Remiunds me of the day when the Scottish Office was run by a MP from Weston-Super-Mare IIRC.
I will defer to our actual Scottish posters on this (and we can always rely on Malc for a fair and balanced appraisal of the situation), but right now it looks to me as if the Conservatives are going to get absolutely, utterly, walloped in the Holyrood elections next year. As in a panda-level event.
I would say Tories in Scotland have solid bedrock of 20%, who are the "British rather than Scottish" crowd. More than panda-level. The Tories have nothing to offer the other 80% however. The Ruth Davidson brand of unionism has been comprehensively trashed by the Brexit Party insurgency, aka the Conservative Party.
It has never been successfully explained to me why people can't be both British and Scottish.
Ask HYUFD why he can’t be both European and British.
Certainly. @HYUFD, why can't you be European and British?
Professor Karl Friston is a computer modelling expert, world-renowned for his contributions to neuroscience. He has been applying his "dynamic causal modelling" approach to the Covid-19 pandemic, and has reached some startling results.
- The differences between countries are not primarily down to government actions, but due to 'intrinsic' differences in the populations
- We don't yet fully understand what is driving it, although there are theories ranging from levels of vitamin D to genetic differences
- In each country, there appears to be a portion of the population that is 'not even in the game' - that is, not susceptible to Covid-19. This varies hugely between countries
- In the UK, Professor Friston estimates that portion to be at least 50%, and probably more like 80%
- The similar mortality results between Sweden (no lockdown) and the UK (lockdown) are best explained by the fact that in reality there was no difference - the impact of the legal lockdown in Professor Friston's models "literally goes away".
If it turns out that "The differences between countries are not primarily down to government actions, but due to 'intrinsic' differences in the populations", the criticism of our governments actions by people who were sure they knew best will age particularly badly
Why do I get the distinct feeling that Professor Karl Friston (UCL) is about to join Professor Sunetra Gupta (Oxon) in the PB smear tank?
For the same reason that he'll join the icons of the "I don't want to be locked down" cheerleaders?
Got to say, the explanation for the differences between Norway and Sweden that the tenfold extra death rate in Sweden is down to innate intrinsic differences between Norwegians and Swedes rather than Government action is a little hard to swallow.
Extraordinary claims need extraordinary evidence, after all. I'm not qualified to do a detailed critique of an epidemiological model, but a couple of red flags flutter in front of me.
One is that there's not much doubt that there is a germ involved in this disease, so you have to do a lot of explaining to justify the claim that extreme measures to stop the spread of that germ don't affect its spread.
Linked to that, saying that there is a massive unexplained factor which explains all the differences better than the standard model is possible, but needs extraordinary evidence.
Thirdly, saying that Sweden and the UK have similar outcomes isn't that surprising. Sweden did about as much as can be done short of a lockdown, and the UK's lockdown was about as soft as can still count as a lockdown. The similarity of their outcomes shouldn't be that much of a surprise. Comparisons like Sweden-Norway are much more instructive.
This isn't to say that Prof Friston is wrong. And modelling phenomena with not much data when you don't even know the shape of the model to use is blooming difficult. So don't smear him. But don't act as if he's definitely right either.
Of course he isn't 'definitely right'. It's well worth watching the interviewing rather than relying on short summaries.
Jackson Carlaw, Leader of the Scottish Conservative and Unionist Party. twisting the knife into BoZo’s belly just now on BBC Radio Scotland. He says, repeatedly, that he is “not wholly convinced” by Dominic Cummings’ explanation for his actions.
Classic code for “the man’s a liar”.
Astonishingly, Carlaw has not spoken to his boss BoZo in months. They have only exchanged two text messages since The Clown was released from hospital.
Carlaw sounds like a drowning man, unable to affect either his opponents nor his (supposed) allies.
The Milton Keynes appointee is a real kick in the groin.
MK? *googles for land of concrete coos* Ah - now I see. Blood is sure thicker than residence when it comes to Tories. But what a dunt in the baws to the actual Scottish Tories. Remiunds me of the day when the Scottish Office was run by a MP from Weston-Super-Mare IIRC.
I will defer to our actual Scottish posters on this (and we can always rely on Malc for a fair and balanced appraisal of the situation), but right now it looks to me as if the Conservatives are going to get absolutely, utterly, walloped in the Holyrood elections next year. As in a panda-level event.
I would say Tories in Scotland have solid bedrock of 20%, who are the "British rather than Scottish" crowd. More than panda-level. The Tories have nothing to offer the other 80% however. The Ruth Davidson brand of unionism has been comprehensively trashed by the Brexit Party insurgency, aka the Conservative Party.
It has never been successfully explained to me why people can't be both British and Scottish.
Ask HYUFD why he can’t be both European and British.
I never said you can't, I have a British passport and voted Remain
You said only a few days ago that Britain was not part of Europe.
Of course Britain is part of Europe. Not wanting to belong to a political organisation doesn't change the geography.
Of course Scotland is part of Britain. Not wanting to belong to a political organisation doesn't change the geography.
Except for the referendum where they decided they did want to be part of the UK, correct.
And the one where decided they did want to be part of the EU, after the previous referendum where they were told voting a certain way would guarantee that membership.
Jackson Carlaw, Leader of the Scottish Conservative and Unionist Party. twisting the knife into BoZo’s belly just now on BBC Radio Scotland. He says, repeatedly, that he is “not wholly convinced” by Dominic Cummings’ explanation for his actions.
Classic code for “the man’s a liar”.
Astonishingly, Carlaw has not spoken to his boss BoZo in months. They have only exchanged two text messages since The Clown was released from hospital.
Carlaw sounds like a drowning man, unable to affect either his opponents nor his (supposed) allies.
The Milton Keynes appointee is a real kick in the groin.
MK? *googles for land of concrete coos* Ah - now I see. Blood is sure thicker than residence when it comes to Tories. But what a dunt in the baws to the actual Scottish Tories. Remiunds me of the day when the Scottish Office was run by a MP from Weston-Super-Mare IIRC.
I will defer to our actual Scottish posters on this (and we can always rely on Malc for a fair and balanced appraisal of the situation), but right now it looks to me as if the Conservatives are going to get absolutely, utterly, walloped in the Holyrood elections next year. As in a panda-level event.
I would say Tories in Scotland have solid bedrock of 20%, who are the "British rather than Scottish" crowd. More than panda-level. The Tories have nothing to offer the other 80% however. The Ruth Davidson brand of unionism has been comprehensively trashed by the Brexit Party insurgency, aka the Conservative Party.
It has never been successfully explained to me why people can't be both British and Scottish.
Ask HYUFD why he can’t be both European and British.
I never said you can't, I have a British passport and voted Remain
You said only a few days ago that Britain was not part of Europe.
Of course Britain is part of Europe. Not wanting to belong to a political organisation doesn't change the geography.
Of course Scotland is part of Britain. Not wanting to belong to a political organisation doesn't change the geography.
Quite. Britain is an island, not a country. Hence why SNP wants to "break up Britain" is a daft line – as far as I know few nationalists advocate installing some sort of giant jigsaw to run through the Cheviots.
But Britain is often used as shorthand for "the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland", and from that point of view, it makes perfect sense.
Jackson Carlaw, Leader of the Scottish Conservative and Unionist Party. twisting the knife into BoZo’s belly just now on BBC Radio Scotland. He says, repeatedly, that he is “not wholly convinced” by Dominic Cummings’ explanation for his actions.
Classic code for “the man’s a liar”.
Astonishingly, Carlaw has not spoken to his boss BoZo in months. They have only exchanged two text messages since The Clown was released from hospital.
Carlaw sounds like a drowning man, unable to affect either his opponents nor his (supposed) allies.
The Milton Keynes appointee is a real kick in the groin.
MK? *googles for land of concrete coos* Ah - now I see. Blood is sure thicker than residence when it comes to Tories. But what a dunt in the baws to the actual Scottish Tories. Remiunds me of the day when the Scottish Office was run by a MP from Weston-Super-Mare IIRC.
I will defer to our actual Scottish posters on this (and we can always rely on Malc for a fair and balanced appraisal of the situation), but right now it looks to me as if the Conservatives are going to get absolutely, utterly, walloped in the Holyrood elections next year. As in a panda-level event.
I would say Tories in Scotland have solid bedrock of 20%, who are the "British rather than Scottish" crowd. More than panda-level. The Tories have nothing to offer the other 80% however. The Ruth Davidson brand of unionism has been comprehensively trashed by the Brexit Party insurgency, aka the Conservative Party.
It has never been successfully explained to me why people can't be both British and Scottish.
Ask HYUFD why he can’t be both European and British.
I never said you can't, I have a British passport and voted Remain
You said only a few days ago that Britain was not part of Europe.
Not part of mainland continental Europe no
Now you’re changing your story. Taking lessons from Cummings?
Help needed please. I am trying to post a picture/video. Never done it before. Went into my profile, activity, cut and pasted it in and shared it. It is sitting there under my activity but doesn't get posted to the forum. Clearly I don't know what I am doing. Help please?
However I have done that and as Rob pointed out it just posts to my profile, BUT the screen you have is slightly different. I only have a Share button. You have Home, General, Pr... (which I am guessing is Preview) and presumably a post button
So I assume you are somewhere different to me when doing this. Where are you
Help needed please. I am trying to post a picture/video. Never done it before. Went into my profile, activity, cut and pasted it in and shared it. It is sitting there under my activity but doesn't get posted to the forum. Clearly I don't know what I am doing. Help please?
However I have done that and as Rob pointed out it just posts to my profile, BUT the screen you have is slightly different. I only have a Share button. You have Home, General, Pr... (which I am guessing is Preview) and presumably a post button
So I assume you are somewhere different to me when doing this. Where are you
Jackson Carlaw, Leader of the Scottish Conservative and Unionist Party. twisting the knife into BoZo’s belly just now on BBC Radio Scotland. He says, repeatedly, that he is “not wholly convinced” by Dominic Cummings’ explanation for his actions.
Classic code for “the man’s a liar”.
Astonishingly, Carlaw has not spoken to his boss BoZo in months. They have only exchanged two text messages since The Clown was released from hospital.
Carlaw sounds like a drowning man, unable to affect either his opponents nor his (supposed) allies.
The Milton Keynes appointee is a real kick in the groin.
MK? *googles for land of concrete coos* Ah - now I see. Blood is sure thicker than residence when it comes to Tories. But what a dunt in the baws to the actual Scottish Tories. Remiunds me of the day when the Scottish Office was run by a MP from Weston-Super-Mare IIRC.
The new Scottish office minister was born in Hamilton and went to school in Glasgow.
He is Scottish, he just represents an English seat
Your lot howled when Labour and LD MPs from Scotland voted on English matters (a sentiment the SNP entirely sympathise with).
Also - do you think race/genetics/blood rather than voter representation is more important?
That's a point. Presumably the new under-assistant, deputy panjandrum won't be voting on the Scotland only matters that he's supposed to be helping to formulate?
Would you be happier if it emerges he has spent several happy hours watching middle aged striptease artists in Edinburgh?
Help needed please. I am trying to post a picture/video. Never done it before. Went into my profile, activity, cut and pasted it in and shared it. It is sitting there under my activity but doesn't get posted to the forum. Clearly I don't know what I am doing. Help please?
However I have done that and as Rob pointed out it just posts to my profile, BUT the screen you have is slightly different. I only have a Share button. You have Home, General, Pr... (which I am guessing is Preview) and presumably a post button
So I assume you are somewhere different to me when doing this. Where are you
The idea that a fictional character character can't interchange racially over time is ridiculous.
Unless the race of the character is integral to the story. For example, Atticus Finch must be white.
He must also be Gregory Peck imo but that is probably just me.
Well it's central to that version of the story, but TKAM could be made with a Hindu Finch and Muslim or Sikh Tom? The only aspect that needs to remain for the story to make sense is a difference between Tom and the rest
For me that would be a work "inspired by" rather than the real thing. But I take the point.
If Finch is non-white, the story would need considerable changes to reflect the reality of what the character Finch has to deal with and the difference to the narrator (his daughter) of his different social position.
It depends where it is set. If it were an adaption set in modern India for instance a Hindu Finch and Muslim Tom could make more sense.
A play with a white Tom and black Atticus in a setting where whites are treated as a lower class of human would be interesting to watch, and challenge the audience to think about some of the realities and absurdities of racism.
Recently something fairly similar was done in Noughts and Crosses.
Quite an interesting idea.
It's just a version of this from the 60s isn't it?
Yes, it is not a completely new idea, but I thought quite well done, in particular the details such as costumes. White people trying to fit in with black hairstyles etc.
Jackson Carlaw, Leader of the Scottish Conservative and Unionist Party. twisting the knife into BoZo’s belly just now on BBC Radio Scotland. He says, repeatedly, that he is “not wholly convinced” by Dominic Cummings’ explanation for his actions.
Classic code for “the man’s a liar”.
Astonishingly, Carlaw has not spoken to his boss BoZo in months. They have only exchanged two text messages since The Clown was released from hospital.
Carlaw sounds like a drowning man, unable to affect either his opponents nor his (supposed) allies.
The Milton Keynes appointee is a real kick in the groin.
MK? *googles for land of concrete coos* Ah - now I see. Blood is sure thicker than residence when it comes to Tories. But what a dunt in the baws to the actual Scottish Tories. Remiunds me of the day when the Scottish Office was run by a MP from Weston-Super-Mare IIRC.
I will defer to our actual Scottish posters on this (and we can always rely on Malc for a fair and balanced appraisal of the situation), but right now it looks to me as if the Conservatives are going to get absolutely, utterly, walloped in the Holyrood elections next year. As in a panda-level event.
I would say Tories in Scotland have solid bedrock of 20%, who are the "British rather than Scottish" crowd. More than panda-level. The Tories have nothing to offer the other 80% however. The Ruth Davidson brand of unionism has been comprehensively trashed by the Brexit Party insurgency, aka the Conservative Party.
It has never been successfully explained to me why people can't be both British and Scottish.
Ask HYUFD why he can’t be both European and British.
I never said you can't, I have a British passport and voted Remain
You said only a few days ago that Britain was not part of Europe.
Of course Britain is part of Europe. Not wanting to belong to a political organisation doesn't change the geography.
Of course Scotland is part of Britain. Not wanting to belong to a political organisation doesn't change the geography.
Quite. Britain is an island, not a country. Hence why SNP wants to "break up Britain" is a daft line – as far as I know few nationalists advocate installing some sort of giant jigsaw to run through the Cheviots.
But Britain is often used as shorthand for "the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland", and from that point of view, it makes perfect sense.
Jackson Carlaw, Leader of the Scottish Conservative and Unionist Party. twisting the knife into BoZo’s belly just now on BBC Radio Scotland. He says, repeatedly, that he is “not wholly convinced” by Dominic Cummings’ explanation for his actions.
Classic code for “the man’s a liar”.
Astonishingly, Carlaw has not spoken to his boss BoZo in months. They have only exchanged two text messages since The Clown was released from hospital.
Carlaw sounds like a drowning man, unable to affect either his opponents nor his (supposed) allies.
The Milton Keynes appointee is a real kick in the groin.
MK? *googles for land of concrete coos* Ah - now I see. Blood is sure thicker than residence when it comes to Tories. But what a dunt in the baws to the actual Scottish Tories. Remiunds me of the day when the Scottish Office was run by a MP from Weston-Super-Mare IIRC.
The new Scottish office minister was born in Hamilton and went to school in Glasgow.
He is Scottish, he just represents an English seat
Your lot howled when Labour and LD MPs from Scotland voted on English matters (a sentiment the SNP entirely sympathise with).
Also - do you think race/genetics/blood rather than voter representation is more important?
That's a point. Presumably the new under-assistant, deputy panjandrum won't be voting on the Scotland only matters that he's supposed to be helping to formulate?
Would you be happier if it emerges he has spent several happy hours watching middle aged striptease artists in Edinburgh?
I can honestly say I've never seen him around the Pubic Triangle (my reason for being there is actually the excellent 2/hand bookshops)!
Professor Karl Friston (UCL) Professor Sunetra Gupta (Oxon) Professor Carl Heneghan (Oxon)
•••
Is the Boffin' Boffin currently a GOOD or BAD scientist?
It's hard to keep up!!
As pointed out earlier, the differences between the Nordic countries seems to demolish his theory right off the bat.
I'd hazard a wild guess that you haven't actually watched the 34-minute interview.
No, I read the summary posted here, in particular the first point:
The differences between countries are not primarily down to government actions, but due to 'intrinsic' differences in the populations
Yup. Thought so. Watch the tape when you get chance.
Is the statement wrong?
It's only part of his answer. Watch the tape.
Care to fill us in on what the second part was which completely changes the meaning of the first?
Not really. Watch the tape and listen to his analysis. I'm not here to summarise the work of one of the UK's finest neuroscientists.
If it was so easy to debunk based on what he said I'm not sure why you are so hesitant to do so.
For crying out loud – watch the tape, you lazy sod.
Intrinsic immunity is one factor. There are other factors – such as geographical and behavioural – which achieve the same effect, all of which combine to create an effective non-susceptibility of 50%.
My first time posting pictures so please bear with me, but here is my feable attempt to compete with Mark. Watched the whole evolution from nymph to dragonfly.
Jackson Carlaw, Leader of the Scottish Conservative and Unionist Party. twisting the knife into BoZo’s belly just now on BBC Radio Scotland. He says, repeatedly, that he is “not wholly convinced” by Dominic Cummings’ explanation for his actions.
Classic code for “the man’s a liar”.
Astonishingly, Carlaw has not spoken to his boss BoZo in months. They have only exchanged two text messages since The Clown was released from hospital.
Carlaw sounds like a drowning man, unable to affect either his opponents nor his (supposed) allies.
The Milton Keynes appointee is a real kick in the groin.
MK? *googles for land of concrete coos* Ah - now I see. Blood is sure thicker than residence when it comes to Tories. But what a dunt in the baws to the actual Scottish Tories. Remiunds me of the day when the Scottish Office was run by a MP from Weston-Super-Mare IIRC.
The new Scottish office minister was born in Hamilton and went to school in Glasgow.
He is Scottish, he just represents an English seat
Your lot howled when Labour and LD MPs from Scotland voted on English matters (a sentiment the SNP entirely sympathise with).
Also - do you think race/genetics/blood rather than voter representation is more important?
That's a point. Presumably the new under-assistant, deputy panjandrum won't be voting on the Scotland only matters that he's supposed to be helping to formulate?
HY is a blood and soil nationalist.
You gotta laugh at Tories. Remember when they screamed their heads off at a jock being their prime minister.
I think it was him being Labour that caused that.
What, not him being a 'one-eyed Scottish idiot'?
You think the main reason for them supposedly "screaming their heads off" was because he was Scottish?
Who said main? I think it was a factor. Unlike Blair, Brown was very identifiably Scottish, regardless of all the Gascoigne goal luvvin', Arctic Monkeys fandom pish he tried. Of course the opposite also applies, why do you think David 'English' Cameron was kept away from any real live Jocks during the indy campaign?
Yet IIRC he would never admit to being Scottish but only British, at least in his PM years. I think only an American radio lady managed to extract that admission ever, was that not the case?
The idea that a fictional character character can't interchange racially over time is ridiculous.
Unless the race of the character is integral to the story. For example, Atticus Finch must be white.
He must also be Gregory Peck imo but that is probably just me.
Well it's central to that version of the story, but TKAM could be made with a Hindu Finch and Muslim or Sikh Tom? The only aspect that needs to remain for the story to make sense is a difference between Tom and the rest
For me that would be a work "inspired by" rather than the real thing. But I take the point.
If Finch is non-white, the story would need considerable changes to reflect the reality of what the character Finch has to deal with and the difference to the narrator (his daughter) of his different social position.
It depends where it is set. If it were an adaption set in modern India for instance a Hindu Finch and Muslim Tom could make more sense.
A play with a white Tom and black Atticus in a setting where whites are treated as a lower class of human would be interesting to watch, and challenge the audience to think about some of the realities and absurdities of racism.
There was that TV drama series recently which was just this. Did not watch it myself but I heard it worked well.
In psychology class at college we studied Jane Elliott's "blue eyes/brown eyes" experiment - that puts the absurdities of racism across quite well, as does the song "War" by Bob Marley.
It is absurd but it's also ingrained in people. I would say most people (to a greater or lesser extent). Certainly I tend to be dubious if somebody claims to be entirely free of it.
Jackson Carlaw, Leader of the Scottish Conservative and Unionist Party. twisting the knife into BoZo’s belly just now on BBC Radio Scotland. He says, repeatedly, that he is “not wholly convinced” by Dominic Cummings’ explanation for his actions.
Classic code for “the man’s a liar”.
Astonishingly, Carlaw has not spoken to his boss BoZo in months. They have only exchanged two text messages since The Clown was released from hospital.
Carlaw sounds like a drowning man, unable to affect either his opponents nor his (supposed) allies.
The Milton Keynes appointee is a real kick in the groin.
MK? *googles for land of concrete coos* Ah - now I see. Blood is sure thicker than residence when it comes to Tories. But what a dunt in the baws to the actual Scottish Tories. Remiunds me of the day when the Scottish Office was run by a MP from Weston-Super-Mare IIRC.
The new Scottish office minister was born in Hamilton and went to school in Glasgow.
He is Scottish, he just represents an English seat
Your lot howled when Labour and LD MPs from Scotland voted on English matters (a sentiment the SNP entirely sympathise with).
Also - do you think race/genetics/blood rather than voter representation is more important?
That's a point. Presumably the new under-assistant, deputy panjandrum won't be voting on the Scotland only matters that he's supposed to be helping to formulate?
HY is a blood and soil nationalist.
You gotta laugh at Tories. Remember when they screamed their heads off at a jock being their prime minister.
Your the supporter of the Nationalist party not me.
Personally I also never questioned Brown's right to be PM under our parliamentary system
Let’s be honest @HYUFD the current incarnation of the Conservative Party is simply the English National Party.
Jackson Carlaw, Leader of the Scottish Conservative and Unionist Party. twisting the knife into BoZo’s belly just now on BBC Radio Scotland. He says, repeatedly, that he is “not wholly convinced” by Dominic Cummings’ explanation for his actions.
Classic code for “the man’s a liar”.
Astonishingly, Carlaw has not spoken to his boss BoZo in months. They have only exchanged two text messages since The Clown was released from hospital.
Carlaw sounds like a drowning man, unable to affect either his opponents nor his (supposed) allies.
The Milton Keynes appointee is a real kick in the groin.
MK? *googles for land of concrete coos* Ah - now I see. Blood is sure thicker than residence when it comes to Tories. But what a dunt in the baws to the actual Scottish Tories. Remiunds me of the day when the Scottish Office was run by a MP from Weston-Super-Mare IIRC.
I will defer to our actual Scottish posters on this (and we can always rely on Malc for a fair and balanced appraisal of the situation), but right now it looks to me as if the Conservatives are going to get absolutely, utterly, walloped in the Holyrood elections next year. As in a panda-level event.
I would say Tories in Scotland have solid bedrock of 20%, who are the "British rather than Scottish" crowd. More than panda-level. The Tories have nothing to offer the other 80% however. The Ruth Davidson brand of unionism has been comprehensively trashed by the Brexit Party insurgency, aka the Conservative Party.
It has never been successfully explained to me why people can't be both British and Scottish.
Ask HYUFD why he can’t be both European and British.
I never said you can't, I have a British passport and voted Remain
You said only a few days ago that Britain was not part of Europe.
Of course Britain is part of Europe. Not wanting to belong to a political organisation doesn't change the geography.
Of course Scotland is part of Britain. Not wanting to belong to a political organisation doesn't change the geography.
Quite. Britain is an island, not a country. Hence why SNP wants to "break up Britain" is a daft line – as far as I know few nationalists advocate installing some sort of giant jigsaw to run through the Cheviots.
But Britain is often used as shorthand for "the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland", and from that point of view, it makes perfect sense.
England is often used as shorthand for the UK.
Doesn't make it right.
Indeed. I've stopped using Britain/British in any context at all where UK is the correct wording. Above all in politics where to use 'Britain' begs the question of whether you include the Irish and Manx bits or not.
Jackson Carlaw, Leader of the Scottish Conservative and Unionist Party. twisting the knife into BoZo’s belly just now on BBC Radio Scotland. He says, repeatedly, that he is “not wholly convinced” by Dominic Cummings’ explanation for his actions.
Classic code for “the man’s a liar”.
Astonishingly, Carlaw has not spoken to his boss BoZo in months. They have only exchanged two text messages since The Clown was released from hospital.
Carlaw sounds like a drowning man, unable to affect either his opponents nor his (supposed) allies.
The Milton Keynes appointee is a real kick in the groin.
MK? *googles for land of concrete coos* Ah - now I see. Blood is sure thicker than residence when it comes to Tories. But what a dunt in the baws to the actual Scottish Tories. Remiunds me of the day when the Scottish Office was run by a MP from Weston-Super-Mare IIRC.
The new Scottish office minister was born in Hamilton and went to school in Glasgow.
He is Scottish, he just represents an English seat
Your lot howled when Labour and LD MPs from Scotland voted on English matters (a sentiment the SNP entirely sympathise with).
Also - do you think race/genetics/blood rather than voter representation is more important?
That's a point. Presumably the new under-assistant, deputy panjandrum won't be voting on the Scotland only matters that he's supposed to be helping to formulate?
HY is a blood and soil nationalist.
You gotta laugh at Tories. Remember when they screamed their heads off at a jock being their prime minister.
I think it was him being Labour that caused that.
Nonsense. The air was thick with ant-Scottish venom.
Really? Are you sure that is not just a particular slant that you have?
Jackson Carlaw, Leader of the Scottish Conservative and Unionist Party. twisting the knife into BoZo’s belly just now on BBC Radio Scotland. He says, repeatedly, that he is “not wholly convinced” by Dominic Cummings’ explanation for his actions.
Classic code for “the man’s a liar”.
Astonishingly, Carlaw has not spoken to his boss BoZo in months. They have only exchanged two text messages since The Clown was released from hospital.
Carlaw sounds like a drowning man, unable to affect either his opponents nor his (supposed) allies.
The Milton Keynes appointee is a real kick in the groin.
MK? *googles for land of concrete coos* Ah - now I see. Blood is sure thicker than residence when it comes to Tories. But what a dunt in the baws to the actual Scottish Tories. Remiunds me of the day when the Scottish Office was run by a MP from Weston-Super-Mare IIRC.
The new Scottish office minister was born in Hamilton and went to school in Glasgow.
He is Scottish, he just represents an English seat
Your lot howled when Labour and LD MPs from Scotland voted on English matters (a sentiment the SNP entirely sympathise with).
Also - do you think race/genetics/blood rather than voter representation is more important?
That's a point. Presumably the new under-assistant, deputy panjandrum won't be voting on the Scotland only matters that he's supposed to be helping to formulate?
HY is a blood and soil nationalist.
You gotta laugh at Tories. Remember when they screamed their heads off at a jock being their prime minister.
Your the supporter of the Nationalist party not me.
Personally I also never questioned Brown's right to be PM under our parliamentary system
Let’s be honest @HYUFD the current incarnation of the Conservative Party is simply the English National Party.
Jackson Carlaw, Leader of the Scottish Conservative and Unionist Party. twisting the knife into BoZo’s belly just now on BBC Radio Scotland. He says, repeatedly, that he is “not wholly convinced” by Dominic Cummings’ explanation for his actions.
Classic code for “the man’s a liar”.
Astonishingly, Carlaw has not spoken to his boss BoZo in months. They have only exchanged two text messages since The Clown was released from hospital.
Carlaw sounds like a drowning man, unable to affect either his opponents nor his (supposed) allies.
The Milton Keynes appointee is a real kick in the groin.
MK? *googles for land of concrete coos* Ah - now I see. Blood is sure thicker than residence when it comes to Tories. But what a dunt in the baws to the actual Scottish Tories. Remiunds me of the day when the Scottish Office was run by a MP from Weston-Super-Mare IIRC.
The new Scottish office minister was born in Hamilton and went to school in Glasgow.
He is Scottish, he just represents an English seat
Your lot howled when Labour and LD MPs from Scotland voted on English matters (a sentiment the SNP entirely sympathise with).
Also - do you think race/genetics/blood rather than voter representation is more important?
That's a point. Presumably the new under-assistant, deputy panjandrum won't be voting on the Scotland only matters that he's supposed to be helping to formulate?
HY is a blood and soil nationalist.
You gotta laugh at Tories. Remember when they screamed their heads off at a jock being their prime minister.
I think it was him being Labour that caused that.
Nonsense. The air was thick with ant-Scottish venom.
Jackson Carlaw, Leader of the Scottish Conservative and Unionist Party. twisting the knife into BoZo’s belly just now on BBC Radio Scotland. He says, repeatedly, that he is “not wholly convinced” by Dominic Cummings’ explanation for his actions.
Classic code for “the man’s a liar”.
Astonishingly, Carlaw has not spoken to his boss BoZo in months. They have only exchanged two text messages since The Clown was released from hospital.
Carlaw sounds like a drowning man, unable to affect either his opponents nor his (supposed) allies.
The Milton Keynes appointee is a real kick in the groin.
MK? *googles for land of concrete coos* Ah - now I see. Blood is sure thicker than residence when it comes to Tories. But what a dunt in the baws to the actual Scottish Tories. Remiunds me of the day when the Scottish Office was run by a MP from Weston-Super-Mare IIRC.
The new Scottish office minister was born in Hamilton and went to school in Glasgow.
He is Scottish, he just represents an English seat
Your lot howled when Labour and LD MPs from Scotland voted on English matters (a sentiment the SNP entirely sympathise with).
Also - do you think race/genetics/blood rather than voter representation is more important?
That's a point. Presumably the new under-assistant, deputy panjandrum won't be voting on the Scotland only matters that he's supposed to be helping to formulate?
HY is a blood and soil nationalist.
You gotta laugh at Tories. Remember when they screamed their heads off at a jock being their prime minister.
Your the supporter of the Nationalist party not me.
Personally I also never questioned Brown's right to be PM under our parliamentary system
Let’s be honest @HYUFD the current incarnation of the Conservative Party is simply the English National Party.
Jackson Carlaw, Leader of the Scottish Conservative and Unionist Party. twisting the knife into BoZo’s belly just now on BBC Radio Scotland. He says, repeatedly, that he is “not wholly convinced” by Dominic Cummings’ explanation for his actions.
Classic code for “the man’s a liar”.
Astonishingly, Carlaw has not spoken to his boss BoZo in months. They have only exchanged two text messages since The Clown was released from hospital.
Carlaw sounds like a drowning man, unable to affect either his opponents nor his (supposed) allies.
The Milton Keynes appointee is a real kick in the groin.
MK? *googles for land of concrete coos* Ah - now I see. Blood is sure thicker than residence when it comes to Tories. But what a dunt in the baws to the actual Scottish Tories. Remiunds me of the day when the Scottish Office was run by a MP from Weston-Super-Mare IIRC.
The new Scottish office minister was born in Hamilton and went to school in Glasgow.
He is Scottish, he just represents an English seat
Your lot howled when Labour and LD MPs from Scotland voted on English matters (a sentiment the SNP entirely sympathise with).
Also - do you think race/genetics/blood rather than voter representation is more important?
That's a point. Presumably the new under-assistant, deputy panjandrum won't be voting on the Scotland only matters that he's supposed to be helping to formulate?
HY is a blood and soil nationalist.
You gotta laugh at Tories. Remember when they screamed their heads off at a jock being their prime minister.
I think it was him being Labour that caused that.
What, not him being a 'one-eyed Scottish idiot'?
You think the main reason for them supposedly "screaming their heads off" was because he was Scottish?
Who said main? I think it was a factor. Unlike Blair, Brown was very identifiably Scottish, regardless of all the Gascoigne goal luvvin', Arctic Monkeys fandom pish he tried. Of course the opposite also applies, why do you think David 'English' Cameron was kept away from any real live Jocks during the indy campaign?
Yet IIRC he would never admit to being Scottish but only British, at least in his PM years. I think only an American radio lady managed to extract that admission ever, was that not the case?
Yep, I guess so. That made the fact that his every utterance was laden with the Fife infused, cumbersome tones of the manse even more ridiculous.
Jackson Carlaw, Leader of the Scottish Conservative and Unionist Party. twisting the knife into BoZo’s belly just now on BBC Radio Scotland. He says, repeatedly, that he is “not wholly convinced” by Dominic Cummings’ explanation for his actions.
Classic code for “the man’s a liar”.
Astonishingly, Carlaw has not spoken to his boss BoZo in months. They have only exchanged two text messages since The Clown was released from hospital.
Carlaw sounds like a drowning man, unable to affect either his opponents nor his (supposed) allies.
The Milton Keynes appointee is a real kick in the groin.
MK? *googles for land of concrete coos* Ah - now I see. Blood is sure thicker than residence when it comes to Tories. But what a dunt in the baws to the actual Scottish Tories. Remiunds me of the day when the Scottish Office was run by a MP from Weston-Super-Mare IIRC.
I will defer to our actual Scottish posters on this (and we can always rely on Malc for a fair and balanced appraisal of the situation), but right now it looks to me as if the Conservatives are going to get absolutely, utterly, walloped in the Holyrood elections next year. As in a panda-level event.
I would say Tories in Scotland have solid bedrock of 20%, who are the "British rather than Scottish" crowd. More than panda-level. The Tories have nothing to offer the other 80% however. The Ruth Davidson brand of unionism has been comprehensively trashed by the Brexit Party insurgency, aka the Conservative Party.
It has never been successfully explained to me why people can't be both British and Scottish.
Ask HYUFD why he can’t be both European and British.
I never said you can't, I have a British passport and voted Remain
You said only a few days ago that Britain was not part of Europe.
Of course Britain is part of Europe. Not wanting to belong to a political organisation doesn't change the geography.
Of course Scotland is part of Britain. Not wanting to belong to a political organisation doesn't change the geography.
Except for the referendum where they decided they did want to be part of the UK, correct.
And the one where decided they did want to be part of the EU, after the previous referendum where they were told voting a certain way would guarantee that membership.
The one way Scotland could have guaranteed exiting the EU, would have been to have voted Yes.
Jackson Carlaw, Leader of the Scottish Conservative and Unionist Party. twisting the knife into BoZo’s belly just now on BBC Radio Scotland. He says, repeatedly, that he is “not wholly convinced” by Dominic Cummings’ explanation for his actions.
Classic code for “the man’s a liar”.
Astonishingly, Carlaw has not spoken to his boss BoZo in months. They have only exchanged two text messages since The Clown was released from hospital.
Carlaw sounds like a drowning man, unable to affect either his opponents nor his (supposed) allies.
The Milton Keynes appointee is a real kick in the groin.
MK? *googles for land of concrete coos* Ah - now I see. Blood is sure thicker than residence when it comes to Tories. But what a dunt in the baws to the actual Scottish Tories. Remiunds me of the day when the Scottish Office was run by a MP from Weston-Super-Mare IIRC.
The new Scottish office minister was born in Hamilton and went to school in Glasgow.
He is Scottish, he just represents an English seat
Your lot howled when Labour and LD MPs from Scotland voted on English matters (a sentiment the SNP entirely sympathise with).
Also - do you think race/genetics/blood rather than voter representation is more important?
That's a point. Presumably the new under-assistant, deputy panjandrum won't be voting on the Scotland only matters that he's supposed to be helping to formulate?
HY is a blood and soil nationalist.
You gotta laugh at Tories. Remember when they screamed their heads off at a jock being their prime minister.
Your the supporter of the Nationalist party not me.
Personally I also never questioned Brown's right to be PM under our parliamentary system
Let’s be honest @HYUFD the current incarnation of the Conservative Party is simply the English National Party.
The idea that a fictional character character can't interchange racially over time is ridiculous.
Unless the race of the character is integral to the story. For example, Atticus Finch must be white.
He must also be Gregory Peck imo but that is probably just me.
Well it's central to that version of the story, but TKAM could be made with a Hindu Finch and Muslim or Sikh Tom? The only aspect that needs to remain for the story to make sense is a difference between Tom and the rest
For me that would be a work "inspired by" rather than the real thing. But I take the point.
If Finch is non-white, the story would need considerable changes to reflect the reality of what the character Finch has to deal with and the difference to the narrator (his daughter) of his different social position.
It depends where it is set. If it were an adaption set in modern India for instance a Hindu Finch and Muslim Tom could make more sense.
A play with a white Tom and black Atticus in a setting where whites are treated as a lower class of human would be interesting to watch, and challenge the audience to think about some of the realities and absurdities of racism.
There was that TV drama series recently which was just this. Did not watch it myself but I heard it worked well.
In psychology class at college we studied Jane Elliott's "blue eyes/brown eyes" experiment - that puts the absurdities of racism across quite well, as does the song "War" by Bob Marley.
It is absurd but it's also ingrained in people. I would say most people (to a greater or lesser extent). Certainly I tend to be dubious if somebody claims to be entirely free of it.
Professor Karl Friston (UCL) Professor Sunetra Gupta (Oxon) Professor Carl Heneghan (Oxon)
•••
Is the Boffin' Boffin currently a GOOD or BAD scientist? It's hard to keep up!!
As pointed out earlier, the differences between the Nordic countries seems to demolish his theory right off the bat.
I'd hazard a wild guess that you haven't actually watched the 34-minute interview.
No, I read the summary posted here, in particular the first point: The differences between countries are not primarily down to government actions, but due to 'intrinsic' differences in the populations
Yup. Thought so. Watch the tape when you get chance.
Is the statement wrong?
It's only part of his answer. Watch the tape.
Care to fill us in on what the second part was which completely changes the meaning of the first?
Not really. Watch the tape and listen to his analysis. I'm not here to summarise the work of one of the UK's finest neuroscientists.
No doubt a clever fellow, but is a neuroscientist better at epidemiology than the next clever fellow?
He is speaking as a modeller, not as a neuroscientist. And he recognises that an epidemioloist would be better than himself, in coming up with explanations. So in terms of figures, he is obviously much to be preferred to your run-of-the-mill medic without expertise in modelling, leaving other experts to coome up with the explanations.
Professor Karl Friston (UCL) Professor Sunetra Gupta (Oxon) Professor Carl Heneghan (Oxon)
•••
Is the Boffin' Boffin currently a GOOD or BAD scientist?
It's hard to keep up!!
As pointed out earlier, the differences between the Nordic countries seems to demolish his theory right off the bat.
I'd hazard a wild guess that you haven't actually watched the 34-minute interview.
No, I read the summary posted here, in particular the first point:
The differences between countries are not primarily down to government actions, but due to 'intrinsic' differences in the populations
Yup. Thought so. Watch the tape when you get chance.
Is the statement wrong?
It's only part of his answer. Watch the tape.
Care to fill us in on what the second part was which completely changes the meaning of the first?
Not really. Watch the tape and listen to his analysis. I'm not here to summarise the work of one of the UK's finest neuroscientists.
If it was so easy to debunk based on what he said I'm not sure why you are so hesitant to do so.
For crying out loud – watch the tape, you lazy sod.
Intrinsic immunity is one factor. There are other factors – such as geographical and behavioural – which achieve the same effect, all of which combine to create an effective non-susceptibility of 50%.
WATCH THE TAPE IF YOU ARE INTERESTED
What if the behavioural component was removed? Because isn't the central premise of lockdown skeptics that they want to get rid of the lockdown. Without that, there should be virtually no difference between the Nordic countries.
A bit of Only Fools that reminds me of the different standards applied to Cummings' and Gardiner's adherence to lockdown rules
Del No, no, you can't go in there. That's my Grandad's room!
Albert Yeah but - I'm his brother!
Del Yeah, that don't make no difference. Only me and Rodney are allowed in that room! That room is gonna remain exactly as he left it! That room is going to be a shrine dedicated to the memory of my Grand- father.
Albert I understand Del!
Del No, we'll just have to think of something else that's all. Listen, if I get the big mattress out of Rodney's room I can put it down. No, I'd never get it through the door would I.
Rodney enters from the hall carrying the batteries.
Rodney Oi, where'd you want these then?
Del Oh, sling 'em in Grandad's room for now will you Rodney.
Jackson Carlaw, Leader of the Scottish Conservative and Unionist Party. twisting the knife into BoZo’s belly just now on BBC Radio Scotland. He says, repeatedly, that he is “not wholly convinced” by Dominic Cummings’ explanation for his actions.
Classic code for “the man’s a liar”.
Astonishingly, Carlaw has not spoken to his boss BoZo in months. They have only exchanged two text messages since The Clown was released from hospital.
Carlaw sounds like a drowning man, unable to affect either his opponents nor his (supposed) allies.
The Milton Keynes appointee is a real kick in the groin.
MK? *googles for land of concrete coos* Ah - now I see. Blood is sure thicker than residence when it comes to Tories. But what a dunt in the baws to the actual Scottish Tories. Remiunds me of the day when the Scottish Office was run by a MP from Weston-Super-Mare IIRC.
I will defer to our actual Scottish posters on this (and we can always rely on Malc for a fair and balanced appraisal of the situation), but right now it looks to me as if the Conservatives are going to get absolutely, utterly, walloped in the Holyrood elections next year. As in a panda-level event.
I would say Tories in Scotland have solid bedrock of 20%, who are the "British rather than Scottish" crowd. More than panda-level. The Tories have nothing to offer the other 80% however. The Ruth Davidson brand of unionism has been comprehensively trashed by the Brexit Party insurgency, aka the Conservative Party.
It has never been successfully explained to me why people can't be both British and Scottish.
Ask HYUFD why he can’t be both European and British.
I never said you can't, I have a British passport and voted Remain
You said only a few days ago that Britain was not part of Europe.
Of course Britain is part of Europe. Not wanting to belong to a political organisation doesn't change the geography.
Of course Scotland is part of Britain. Not wanting to belong to a political organisation doesn't change the geography.
Except for the referendum where they decided they did want to be part of the UK, correct.
And the one where decided they did want to be part of the EU, after the previous referendum where they were told voting a certain way would guarantee that membership.
The one way Scotland could have guaranteed exiting the EU, would have been to have voted Yes.
Uhuh. Well we've got some alternative history fluff v. the actuality. The actuality is what we have to deal with.
Jackson Carlaw, Leader of the Scottish Conservative and Unionist Party. twisting the knife into BoZo’s belly just now on BBC Radio Scotland. He says, repeatedly, that he is “not wholly convinced” by Dominic Cummings’ explanation for his actions.
Classic code for “the man’s a liar”.
Astonishingly, Carlaw has not spoken to his boss BoZo in months. They have only exchanged two text messages since The Clown was released from hospital.
Carlaw sounds like a drowning man, unable to affect either his opponents nor his (supposed) allies.
The Milton Keynes appointee is a real kick in the groin.
MK? *googles for land of concrete coos* Ah - now I see. Blood is sure thicker than residence when it comes to Tories. But what a dunt in the baws to the actual Scottish Tories. Remiunds me of the day when the Scottish Office was run by a MP from Weston-Super-Mare IIRC.
The new Scottish office minister was born in Hamilton and went to school in Glasgow.
He is Scottish, he just represents an English seat
Your lot howled when Labour and LD MPs from Scotland voted on English matters (a sentiment the SNP entirely sympathise with).
Also - do you think race/genetics/blood rather than voter representation is more important?
That's a point. Presumably the new under-assistant, deputy panjandrum won't be voting on the Scotland only matters that he's supposed to be helping to formulate?
HY is a blood and soil nationalist.
You gotta laugh at Tories. Remember when they screamed their heads off at a jock being their prime minister.
I think it was him being Labour that caused that.
Nonsense. The air was thick with ant-Scottish venom.
Really? Are you sure that is not just a particular slant that you have?
If you look at Hansard you can find complaints by Tory MPs about how Scots run the United Kingdom.
Jackson Carlaw, Leader of the Scottish Conservative and Unionist Party. twisting the knife into BoZo’s belly just now on BBC Radio Scotland. He says, repeatedly, that he is “not wholly convinced” by Dominic Cummings’ explanation for his actions.
Classic code for “the man’s a liar”.
Astonishingly, Carlaw has not spoken to his boss BoZo in months. They have only exchanged two text messages since The Clown was released from hospital.
Carlaw sounds like a drowning man, unable to affect either his opponents nor his (supposed) allies.
The Milton Keynes appointee is a real kick in the groin.
MK? *googles for land of concrete coos* Ah - now I see. Blood is sure thicker than residence when it comes to Tories. But what a dunt in the baws to the actual Scottish Tories. Remiunds me of the day when the Scottish Office was run by a MP from Weston-Super-Mare IIRC.
The new Scottish office minister was born in Hamilton and went to school in Glasgow.
He is Scottish, he just represents an English seat
Your lot howled when Labour and LD MPs from Scotland voted on English matters (a sentiment the SNP entirely sympathise with).
Also - do you think race/genetics/blood rather than voter representation is more important?
That's a point. Presumably the new under-assistant, deputy panjandrum won't be voting on the Scotland only matters that he's supposed to be helping to formulate?
HY is a blood and soil nationalist.
You gotta laugh at Tories. Remember when they screamed their heads off at a jock being their prime minister.
I think it was him being Labour that caused that.
What, not him being a 'one-eyed Scottish idiot'?
You think the main reason for them supposedly "screaming their heads off" was because he was Scottish?
Who said main? I think it was a factor. Unlike Blair, Brown was very identifiably Scottish, regardless of all the Gascoigne goal luvvin', Arctic Monkeys fandom pish he tried. Of course the opposite also applies, why do you think David 'English' Cameron was kept away from any real live Jocks during the indy campaign?
I thought it was a mistake not using Cameron more during the campaign. For all that I was not a fan, he was a good speechmaker, and the one speech he made to an audience of corporates in Edinburgh was well done. I watched it with a Scottish colleague who afterwards said 'there, that was all he needed to say'. I also didn't see any harm in him being publicly heckled - Blair would have just gone for it and got some sympathy out of it.
I completely disagree with you about Brown's Scottishness getting him abused. There's a huge perception gap here between slight intended and slight taken and internalised. It is very hard for an English person who hasn't spent time in Scotland to understand.
Professor Karl Friston (UCL) Professor Sunetra Gupta (Oxon) Professor Carl Heneghan (Oxon)
•••
Is the Boffin' Boffin currently a GOOD or BAD scientist?
It's hard to keep up!!
As pointed out earlier, the differences between the Nordic countries seems to demolish his theory right off the bat.
I'd hazard a wild guess that you haven't actually watched the 34-minute interview.
No, I read the summary posted here, in particular the first point:
The differences between countries are not primarily down to government actions, but due to 'intrinsic' differences in the populations
Yup. Thought so. Watch the tape when you get chance.
Is the statement wrong?
It's only part of his answer. Watch the tape.
Care to fill us in on what the second part was which completely changes the meaning of the first?
Not really. Watch the tape and listen to his analysis. I'm not here to summarise the work of one of the UK's finest neuroscientists.
If it was so easy to debunk based on what he said I'm not sure why you are so hesitant to do so.
For crying out loud – watch the tape, you lazy sod.
Intrinsic immunity is one factor. There are other factors – such as geographical and behavioural – which achieve the same effect, all of which combine to create an effective non-susceptibility of 50%.
WATCH THE TAPE IF YOU ARE INTERESTED
What if the behavioural component was removed? Because isn't the central premise of lockdown skeptics that they want to get rid of the lockdown. Without that, there should be virtually no difference between the Nordic countries.
Norway reckon it would have made no difference if they hadn't locked down, in hindsight. If they hadn't, I wonder what people would be saying now?
Professor Karl Friston is a computer modelling expert, world-renowned for his contributions to neuroscience. He has been applying his "dynamic causal modelling" approach to the Covid-19 pandemic, and has reached some startling results.
- The differences between countries are not primarily down to government actions, but due to 'intrinsic' differences in the populations
- We don't yet fully understand what is driving it, although there are theories ranging from levels of vitamin D to genetic differences
- In each country, there appears to be a portion of the population that is 'not even in the game' - that is, not susceptible to Covid-19. This varies hugely between countries
- In the UK, Professor Friston estimates that portion to be at least 50%, and probably more like 80%
- The similar mortality results between Sweden (no lockdown) and the UK (lockdown) are best explained by the fact that in reality there was no difference - the impact of the legal lockdown in Professor Friston's models "literally goes away".
If it turns out that "The differences between countries are not primarily down to government actions, but due to 'intrinsic' differences in the populations", the criticism of our governments actions by people who were sure they knew best will age particularly badly
Why do I get the distinct feeling that Professor Karl Friston (UCL) is about to join Professor Sunetra Gupta (Oxon) in the PB smear tank?
For the same reason that he'll join the icons of the "I don't want to be locked down" cheerleaders?
Got to say, the explanation for the differences between Norway and Sweden that the tenfold extra death rate in Sweden is down to innate intrinsic differences between Norwegians and Swedes rather than Government action is a little hard to swallow.
Extraordinary claims need extraordinary evidence, after all. I'm not qualified to do a detailed critique of an epidemiological model, but a couple of red flags flutter in front of me.
One is that there's not much doubt that there is a germ involved in this disease, so you have to do a lot of explaining to justify the claim that extreme measures to stop the spread of that germ don't affect its spread.
Linked to that, saying that there is a massive unexplained factor which explains all the differences better than the standard model is possible, but needs extraordinary evidence.
Thirdly, saying that Sweden and the UK have similar outcomes isn't that surprising. Sweden did about as much as can be done short of a lockdown, and the UK's lockdown was about as soft as can still count as a lockdown. The similarity of their outcomes shouldn't be that much of a surprise. Comparisons like Sweden-Norway are much more instructive.
This isn't to say that Prof Friston is wrong. And modelling phenomena with not much data when you don't even know the shape of the model to use is blooming difficult. So don't smear him. But don't act as if he's definitely right either.
Indeed. It's a brand new virus. Which means that there's always things about it we don't know. For example, it's only recently come to light that infection out-of-doors is considerably less likely than infection inside. Very useful information, would have been great to have that sooner, but understandable that it wasn't known.
The assumption that there's something mysterious and unknown that will automatically protect us and make this not a problem and all go away without anything being done is, though, a massive assumption to make when literally hundreds of thousands of lives in this country would be staked on that being right.
I mean, it's not impossible, of course. I'd love for it to be the case that loads of us are automatically somehow immune. I'd love it even more if my family and all my loved ones were all in such a category.
But, as with military planning and engineering planning - and with both skydiving and flying aircraft - just because it's possible for everything to go marvelously right does not mean you go around staking lives on that without getting the evidence for it first.
Jackson Carlaw, Leader of the Scottish Conservative and Unionist Party. twisting the knife into BoZo’s belly just now on BBC Radio Scotland. He says, repeatedly, that he is “not wholly convinced” by Dominic Cummings’ explanation for his actions.
Classic code for “the man’s a liar”.
Astonishingly, Carlaw has not spoken to his boss BoZo in months. They have only exchanged two text messages since The Clown was released from hospital.
Carlaw sounds like a drowning man, unable to affect either his opponents nor his (supposed) allies.
The Milton Keynes appointee is a real kick in the groin.
MK? *googles for land of concrete coos* Ah - now I see. Blood is sure thicker than residence when it comes to Tories. But what a dunt in the baws to the actual Scottish Tories. Remiunds me of the day when the Scottish Office was run by a MP from Weston-Super-Mare IIRC.
The new Scottish office minister was born in Hamilton and went to school in Glasgow.
He is Scottish, he just represents an English seat
Your lot howled when Labour and LD MPs from Scotland voted on English matters (a sentiment the SNP entirely sympathise with).
Also - do you think race/genetics/blood rather than voter representation is more important?
That's a point. Presumably the new under-assistant, deputy panjandrum won't be voting on the Scotland only matters that he's supposed to be helping to formulate?
HY is a blood and soil nationalist.
You gotta laugh at Tories. Remember when they screamed their heads off at a jock being their prime minister.
I think it was him being Labour that caused that.
What, not him being a 'one-eyed Scottish idiot'?
You think the main reason for them supposedly "screaming their heads off" was because he was Scottish?
Who said main? I think it was a factor. Unlike Blair, Brown was very identifiably Scottish, regardless of all the Gascoigne goal luvvin', Arctic Monkeys fandom pish he tried. Of course the opposite also applies, why do you think David 'English' Cameron was kept away from any real live Jocks during the indy campaign?
Yet IIRC he would never admit to being Scottish but only British, at least in his PM years. I think only an American radio lady managed to extract that admission ever, was that not the case?
Yep, I guess so. That made the fact that his every utterance was laden with the Fife infused, cumbersome tones of the manse even more ridiculous.
Brown's Scottishness actually worked well in terms of his personal brand I think. The son of the manse thing meant he was perceived as particularly upright, and there's also something about the perceived parsimony of Scots that went well with his 'iron chancellor' image. Sadly, the problem for Brown was that in reality he was a tax and spend Chancellor, and so didn't live up to it.
Rather a stupid survey question really. If people still wish to clap, they remain free to do it!It does not appeal to me but if I wanted to carry on clapping I would not be deterred by others deciding to discontinue.
Jackson Carlaw, Leader of the Scottish Conservative and Unionist Party. twisting the knife into BoZo’s belly just now on BBC Radio Scotland. He says, repeatedly, that he is “not wholly convinced” by Dominic Cummings’ explanation for his actions.
Classic code for “the man’s a liar”.
Astonishingly, Carlaw has not spoken to his boss BoZo in months. They have only exchanged two text messages since The Clown was released from hospital.
Carlaw sounds like a drowning man, unable to affect either his opponents nor his (supposed) allies.
The Milton Keynes appointee is a real kick in the groin.
MK? *googles for land of concrete coos* Ah - now I see. Blood is sure thicker than residence when it comes to Tories. But what a dunt in the baws to the actual Scottish Tories. Remiunds me of the day when the Scottish Office was run by a MP from Weston-Super-Mare IIRC.
I will defer to our actual Scottish posters on this (and we can always rely on Malc for a fair and balanced appraisal of the situation), but right now it looks to me as if the Conservatives are going to get absolutely, utterly, walloped in the Holyrood elections next year. As in a panda-level event.
I would say Tories in Scotland have solid bedrock of 20%, who are the "British rather than Scottish" crowd. More than panda-level. The Tories have nothing to offer the other 80% however. The Ruth Davidson brand of unionism has been comprehensively trashed by the Brexit Party insurgency, aka the Conservative Party.
It has never been successfully explained to me why people can't be both British and Scottish.
Ask HYUFD why he can’t be both European and British.
I never said you can't, I have a British passport and voted Remain
You said only a few days ago that Britain was not part of Europe.
Of course Britain is part of Europe. Not wanting to belong to a political organisation doesn't change the geography.
Of course Scotland is part of Britain. Not wanting to belong to a political organisation doesn't change the geography.
Quite. Britain is an island, not a country. Hence why SNP wants to "break up Britain" is a daft line – as far as I know few nationalists advocate installing some sort of giant jigsaw to run through the Cheviots.
But Britain is often used as shorthand for "the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland", and from that point of view, it makes perfect sense.
England is often used as shorthand for the UK.
Doesn't make it right.
Indeed. I've stopped using Britain/British in any context at all where UK is the correct wording. Above all in politics where to use 'Britain' begs the question of whether you include the Irish and Manx bits or not.
What alternative to 'British' do you use to describe the population of the UK?
Professor Karl Friston (UCL) Professor Sunetra Gupta (Oxon) Professor Carl Heneghan (Oxon)
•••
Is the Boffin' Boffin currently a GOOD or BAD scientist?
It's hard to keep up!!
As pointed out earlier, the differences between the Nordic countries seems to demolish his theory right off the bat.
I'd hazard a wild guess that you haven't actually watched the 34-minute interview.
No, I read the summary posted here, in particular the first point:
The differences between countries are not primarily down to government actions, but due to 'intrinsic' differences in the populations
Yup. Thought so. Watch the tape when you get chance.
Is the statement wrong?
It's only part of his answer. Watch the tape.
Care to fill us in on what the second part was which completely changes the meaning of the first?
Not really. Watch the tape and listen to his analysis. I'm not here to summarise the work of one of the UK's finest neuroscientists.
No doubt a clever fellow, but is a neuroscientist better at epidemiology than the next clever fellow?
I don't know, why not watch the tape and make your own mind up?
Yeah, I remember being told that about the interview with the old Swedish epidemiologist guy, and that provided zero extra light. Apart from making me feel very sorry for him.
If you've watched it, why don't you summarise the answer to the differences between Norway and Sweden? After all, it's what economists call a "natural experiment" (like the economies of West and East Germany under different systems): cultures, economies, population distributions, genetics, healthcare all very similar, so outcomes should be broadly comparable. The tenfold difference in outcomes is very readily and obviously explicable by the difference in public health choice, so it's definitely going to be a big step to get to these intrinsic differences (whatever they are between these two Nordic peoples) explaining it all and the increased isolation from an infectious disease being of zero contribution.
Jackson Carlaw, Leader of the Scottish Conservative and Unionist Party. twisting the knife into BoZo’s belly just now on BBC Radio Scotland. He says, repeatedly, that he is “not wholly convinced” by Dominic Cummings’ explanation for his actions.
Classic code for “the man’s a liar”.
Astonishingly, Carlaw has not spoken to his boss BoZo in months. They have only exchanged two text messages since The Clown was released from hospital.
Carlaw sounds like a drowning man, unable to affect either his opponents nor his (supposed) allies.
The Milton Keynes appointee is a real kick in the groin.
MK? *googles for land of concrete coos* Ah - now I see. Blood is sure thicker than residence when it comes to Tories. But what a dunt in the baws to the actual Scottish Tories. Remiunds me of the day when the Scottish Office was run by a MP from Weston-Super-Mare IIRC.
I will defer to our actual Scottish posters on this (and we can always rely on Malc for a fair and balanced appraisal of the situation), but right now it looks to me as if the Conservatives are going to get absolutely, utterly, walloped in the Holyrood elections next year. As in a panda-level event.
I would say Tories in Scotland have solid bedrock of 20%, who are the "British rather than Scottish" crowd. More than panda-level. The Tories have nothing to offer the other 80% however. The Ruth Davidson brand of unionism has been comprehensively trashed by the Brexit Party insurgency, aka the Conservative Party.
It has never been successfully explained to me why people can't be both British and Scottish.
Ask HYUFD why he can’t be both European and British.
I never said you can't, I have a British passport and voted Remain
You said only a few days ago that Britain was not part of Europe.
Of course Britain is part of Europe. Not wanting to belong to a political organisation doesn't change the geography.
Of course Scotland is part of Britain. Not wanting to belong to a political organisation doesn't change the geography.
Quite. Britain is an island, not a country. Hence why SNP wants to "break up Britain" is a daft line – as far as I know few nationalists advocate installing some sort of giant jigsaw to run through the Cheviots.
But Britain is often used as shorthand for "the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland", and from that point of view, it makes perfect sense.
England is often used as shorthand for the UK.
Doesn't make it right.
Indeed. I've stopped using Britain/British in any context at all where UK is the correct wording. Above all in politics where to use 'Britain' begs the question of whether you include the Irish and Manx bits or not.
What alternative to 'British' do you use to describe the population of the UK?
Accursed progeny of the imperial pretended state entity of Saxe Cobourg Gotha.
Jackson Carlaw, Leader of the Scottish Conservative and Unionist Party. twisting the knife into BoZo’s belly just now on BBC Radio Scotland. He says, repeatedly, that he is “not wholly convinced” by Dominic Cummings’ explanation for his actions.
Classic code for “the man’s a liar”.
Astonishingly, Carlaw has not spoken to his boss BoZo in months. They have only exchanged two text messages since The Clown was released from hospital.
Carlaw sounds like a drowning man, unable to affect either his opponents nor his (supposed) allies.
The Milton Keynes appointee is a real kick in the groin.
MK? *googles for land of concrete coos* Ah - now I see. Blood is sure thicker than residence when it comes to Tories. But what a dunt in the baws to the actual Scottish Tories. Remiunds me of the day when the Scottish Office was run by a MP from Weston-Super-Mare IIRC.
I will defer to our actual Scottish posters on this (and we can always rely on Malc for a fair and balanced appraisal of the situation), but right now it looks to me as if the Conservatives are going to get absolutely, utterly, walloped in the Holyrood elections next year. As in a panda-level event.
I would say Tories in Scotland have solid bedrock of 20%, who are the "British rather than Scottish" crowd. More than panda-level. The Tories have nothing to offer the other 80% however. The Ruth Davidson brand of unionism has been comprehensively trashed by the Brexit Party insurgency, aka the Conservative Party.
It has never been successfully explained to me why people can't be both British and Scottish.
Ask HYUFD why he can’t be both European and British.
I never said you can't, I have a British passport and voted Remain
You said only a few days ago that Britain was not part of Europe.
Of course Britain is part of Europe. Not wanting to belong to a political organisation doesn't change the geography.
Of course Scotland is part of Britain. Not wanting to belong to a political organisation doesn't change the geography.
Quite. Britain is an island, not a country. Hence why SNP wants to "break up Britain" is a daft line – as far as I know few nationalists advocate installing some sort of giant jigsaw to run through the Cheviots.
But Britain is often used as shorthand for "the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland", and from that point of view, it makes perfect sense.
England is often used as shorthand for the UK.
Doesn't make it right.
Indeed. I've stopped using Britain/British in any context at all where UK is the correct wording. Above all in politics where to use 'Britain' begs the question of whether you include the Irish and Manx bits or not.
What alternative to 'British' do you use to describe the population of the UK?
Did anyone see the Piers Morgan - RudyGiuliani interview?
Moron1: Your mum's a puss Moron2: No, your mom's a puss Moron1: No, your mum's a puss Moron2: No, your mom! Moron1: YOUR MUM! And I've shagged your sister.
I know that Moron has really stuck the boot into the government over them not coming on the show. But I can kind of see why.
Re the thread, yes I agree that the Government's reaction to the virus will probably be one of those traumatic events that will remain with voters for years and will impact on the outcome of the next election. The parallel which the Tories will fear is that of Black Wednesday in 1992 which served to undermine their claims to economic competence all the way up to the 1997 general election. The response to the virus is undermining any possible idea that Johnson runs a generally competent government, such has been the shambles witnessed on multiple fronts.
In political terms, the impact will get worse for Johnson. There is a deep recession on the horizon and the question is whether the Conservatives will be blamed for its depth not least on account of their mistakes having led to the UK being late out of the lockdown.
Yesterday saw another 359 deaths confirmed by testing in the UK. That was more than the total recorded for the rest of Europe combined.
OK, if it makes you feel any better I'm not really bothered to argue with the nuance of that point. It would still means that the UK's total of daily deaths was yesterday "only" nearly as high as the total that should have been recorded for the rest of Europe combined. Ahem indeed.
What I'm not prepared to accept is that the death statistics as a whole including those on excess deaths do anything other than support the claim that the UK's response to the virus has led to outcomes worse than anywhere else in Europe.
No -you missed it. it's not "nearly" and "nuance"; it's a steaming pile of bullshit,
Nearly all of the 359 deaths in the number are from the previous fortnight, and the comparison is entirely spurious. The actual number of deaths from yesterday was 20, which will increase as others move through the process and we may have some idea of perhaps 90% of the total in 7 days.
On this one Guido is correct in skewering Newsnight, whose reporting was misleading to (and perhaps beyond) the point off dishonesty. But he diidn't skewer them enough.
They talked about "daily deaths" with the totally misrepresented numbers for their tabloid splash, then went into a spiel about how important it was to be careful.
Just a shitty news report. I don't really know how the Newsnight Editor can sleep at night.
What an absolute moron....he does know a number of footballers caught it between weekly tests without knowing, and without really going anywhere but the odd trip to the shops. And obviously, he could catch it at the protest and transport it.
Maybe, maybe not. At some point we need to get back to "normal" and we can't all be in the middle of any number of sets of tests.
Going to stand in a crammed crowd of 1000s it absolutely moronic.
He had tested negative. What plan are you suggesting for people who test negative in society? Still 2m come what may?
Not attending mass events for the foreseeable future. They are one of the known ways that this thing spreads bigly. Germany big initial outbreak, Carnival celebrations, 40% of people got it. The level of coronavirus in society is still high.
If I was a Muslim that just forewent usual Eid celebrations because of the rules, I would be mighty pissed off to see this.
Big Dom should have gone, but his trip to Durham wasn't risking loads of peoples health.
I agree that if people are going to demonstrate they should keep distance from each other. But there's a big difference between 300 people crowding into a community centre, and drinking, eating, hugging, kissing each other on the cheek and singing together for several hours, and people gathering outside in the streets.
Jackson Carlaw, Leader of the Scottish Conservative and Unionist Party. twisting the knife into BoZo’s belly just now on BBC Radio Scotland. He says, repeatedly, that he is “not wholly convinced” by Dominic Cummings’ explanation for his actions.
Classic code for “the man’s a liar”.
Astonishingly, Carlaw has not spoken to his boss BoZo in months. They have only exchanged two text messages since The Clown was released from hospital.
Carlaw sounds like a drowning man, unable to affect either his opponents nor his (supposed) allies.
The Milton Keynes appointee is a real kick in the groin.
MK? *googles for land of concrete coos* Ah - now I see. Blood is sure thicker than residence when it comes to Tories. But what a dunt in the baws to the actual Scottish Tories. Remiunds me of the day when the Scottish Office was run by a MP from Weston-Super-Mare IIRC.
I will defer to our actual Scottish posters on this (and we can always rely on Malc for a fair and balanced appraisal of the situation), but right now it looks to me as if the Conservatives are going to get absolutely, utterly, walloped in the Holyrood elections next year. As in a panda-level event.
I would say Tories in Scotland have solid bedrock of 20%, who are the "British rather than Scottish" crowd. More than panda-level. The Tories have nothing to offer the other 80% however. The Ruth Davidson brand of unionism has been comprehensively trashed by the Brexit Party insurgency, aka the Conservative Party.
It has never been successfully explained to me why people can't be both British and Scottish.
Ask HYUFD why he can’t be both European and British.
I never said you can't, I have a British passport and voted Remain
You said only a few days ago that Britain was not part of Europe.
Of course Britain is part of Europe. Not wanting to belong to a political organisation doesn't change the geography.
Of course Scotland is part of Britain. Not wanting to belong to a political organisation doesn't change the geography.
Except for the referendum where they decided they did want to be part of the UK, correct.
And the one where decided they did want to be part of the EU, after the previous referendum where they were told voting a certain way would guarantee that membership.
The one way Scotland could have guaranteed exiting the EU, would have been to have voted Yes.
Uhuh. Well we've got some alternative history fluff v. the actuality. The actuality is what we have to deal with.
Indeed. There are three professions where the road not taken is important. One is dfiscussing, for instance, the significance of the origin of the mammals. Another is history - the moment you invoke causality you open up alternative histories (e.g. the significance of Mr Lincoln's Proclamation about slavery). The third is politics.
Jackson Carlaw, Leader of the Scottish Conservative and Unionist Party. twisting the knife into BoZo’s belly just now on BBC Radio Scotland. He says, repeatedly, that he is “not wholly convinced” by Dominic Cummings’ explanation for his actions.
Classic code for “the man’s a liar”.
Astonishingly, Carlaw has not spoken to his boss BoZo in months. They have only exchanged two text messages since The Clown was released from hospital.
Carlaw sounds like a drowning man, unable to affect either his opponents nor his (supposed) allies.
The Milton Keynes appointee is a real kick in the groin.
MK? *googles for land of concrete coos* Ah - now I see. Blood is sure thicker than residence when it comes to Tories. But what a dunt in the baws to the actual Scottish Tories. Remiunds me of the day when the Scottish Office was run by a MP from Weston-Super-Mare IIRC.
I will defer to our actual Scottish posters on this (and we can always rely on Malc for a fair and balanced appraisal of the situation), but right now it looks to me as if the Conservatives are going to get absolutely, utterly, walloped in the Holyrood elections next year. As in a panda-level event.
I would say Tories in Scotland have solid bedrock of 20%, who are the "British rather than Scottish" crowd. More than panda-level. The Tories have nothing to offer the other 80% however. The Ruth Davidson brand of unionism has been comprehensively trashed by the Brexit Party insurgency, aka the Conservative Party.
It has never been successfully explained to me why people can't be both British and Scottish.
Ask HYUFD why he can’t be both European and British.
I never said you can't, I have a British passport and voted Remain
You said only a few days ago that Britain was not part of Europe.
Of course Britain is part of Europe. Not wanting to belong to a political organisation doesn't change the geography.
Of course Scotland is part of Britain. Not wanting to belong to a political organisation doesn't change the geography.
Quite. Britain is an island, not a country. Hence why SNP wants to "break up Britain" is a daft line – as far as I know few nationalists advocate installing some sort of giant jigsaw to run through the Cheviots.
But Britain is often used as shorthand for "the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland", and from that point of view, it makes perfect sense.
England is often used as shorthand for the UK.
Doesn't make it right.
Indeed. I've stopped using Britain/British in any context at all where UK is the correct wording. Above all in politics where to use 'Britain' begs the question of whether you include the Irish and Manx bits or not.
What alternative to 'British' do you use to describe the population of the UK?
Accursed progeny of the imperial pretended state entity of Saxe Cobourg Gotha.
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https://exploringyourmind.com/blue-eyes-and-brown-eyes-the-jane-elliott-experiment/#:~:text=Jane Elliott's experiment,on the blue-eyed students.
"There is now a 15-pt margin between the 56% of Britons who say the government has done a bad job of managing the outbreak and the 41% who believe it has done a good job. The survey was conducted from 27-29 May, prior to the most recent loosening of lockdown regulations."
I'm confused, the graph in the thread shows a net negative rating of -3% not -15%?
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2020/06/03/approval-government-handling-coronavirus-sinks-low
Personally I also never questioned Brown's right to be PM under our parliamentary system
The rules are to isolate.
And the recent waves of immigration have probably made public services, often used by the white working classes, cheaper and better than would otherwise be the case. There have been positive, as well as negative, impacts.
The indirect effects of immigration on different parts of the UK are so complex, dynamic and controversial that they defy any simple summary, which is frustrating for those who like to apportion blame.
Yes you are correct. It did.
I don't want to attach my picture to another person's comment. I just want to post a fresh comment with the picture. Sorry I am being a complete idiot.
The differences between countries are not primarily down to government actions, but due to 'intrinsic' differences in the populations
I take your point, and I did meant to imply that the whole country benefited, but the poor had their lives made bearable whilst the rich still live a life of absolute luxury today on the back of it.
One is that there's not much doubt that there is a germ involved in this disease, so you have to do a lot of explaining to justify the claim that extreme measures to stop the spread of that germ don't affect its spread.
Linked to that, saying that there is a massive unexplained factor which explains all the differences better than the standard model is possible, but needs extraordinary evidence.
Thirdly, saying that Sweden and the UK have similar outcomes isn't that surprising. Sweden did about as much as can be done short of a lockdown, and the UK's lockdown was about as soft as can still count as a lockdown. The similarity of their outcomes shouldn't be that much of a surprise. Comparisons like Sweden-Norway are much more instructive.
This isn't to say that Prof Friston is wrong. And modelling phenomena with not much data when you don't even know the shape of the model to use is blooming difficult. So don't smear him. But don't act as if he's definitely right either.
I think it was a factor. Unlike Blair, Brown was very identifiably Scottish, regardless of all the Gascoigne goal luvvin', Arctic Monkeys fandom pish he tried. Of course the opposite also applies, why do you think David 'English' Cameron was kept away from any real live Jocks during the indy campaign?
But I was talking about being an Irish citizen and British subject. See this:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/may/06/home-office-british-citizenship-northern-ireland--good-friday-agreement
I believe the lady won her case though I have not kept up with what has happened as a result.
And Sweden should have exactly the same Covid death rate as the countries nearest it
"Fog in Channel. Continent Cut Off."
However I have done that and as Rob pointed out it just posts to my profile, BUT the screen you have is slightly different. I only have a Share button. You have Home, General, Pr... (which I am guessing is Preview) and presumably a post button
So I assume you are somewhere different to me when doing this. Where are you
Doesn't make it right.
https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1268497629077438465?s=20
Intrinsic immunity is one factor. There are other factors – such as geographical and behavioural – which achieve the same effect, all of which combine to create an effective non-susceptibility of 50%.
WATCH THE TAPE IF YOU ARE INTERESTED
A clear case of trolling.
If you say so,...….
Del
No, no, you can't go in there.
That's my Grandad's room!
Albert
Yeah but - I'm his brother!
Del
Yeah, that don't make no
difference. Only me and Rodney
are allowed in that room! That
room is gonna remain exactly
as he left it! That room is
going to be a shrine dedicated
to the memory of my Grand-
father.
Albert
I understand Del!
Del
No, we'll just have to think
of something else that's all.
Listen, if I get the big
mattress out of Rodney's room
I can put it down. No, I'd
never get it through the door
would I.
Rodney enters from the hall carrying the batteries.
Rodney
Oi, where'd you want these
then?
Del
Oh, sling 'em in Grandad's
room for now will you Rodney.
I thought it was a mistake not using Cameron more during the campaign. For all that I was not a fan, he was a good speechmaker, and the one speech he made to an audience of corporates in Edinburgh was well done. I watched it with a Scottish colleague who afterwards said 'there, that was all he needed to say'. I also didn't see any harm in him being publicly heckled - Blair would have just gone for it and got some sympathy out of it.
I completely disagree with you about Brown's Scottishness getting him abused. There's a huge perception gap here between slight intended and slight taken and internalised. It is very hard for an English person who hasn't spent time in Scotland to understand.
Last 7 days - 97
Spanish Style - 24
It's a brand new virus. Which means that there's always things about it we don't know.
For example, it's only recently come to light that infection out-of-doors is considerably less likely than infection inside. Very useful information, would have been great to have that sooner, but understandable that it wasn't known.
The assumption that there's something mysterious and unknown that will automatically protect us and make this not a problem and all go away without anything being done is, though, a massive assumption to make when literally hundreds of thousands of lives in this country would be staked on that being right.
I mean, it's not impossible, of course. I'd love for it to be the case that loads of us are automatically somehow immune. I'd love it even more if my family and all my loved ones were all in such a category.
But, as with military planning and engineering planning - and with both skydiving and flying aircraft - just because it's possible for everything to go marvelously right does not mean you go around staking lives on that without getting the evidence for it first.
If you've watched it, why don't you summarise the answer to the differences between Norway and Sweden? After all, it's what economists call a "natural experiment" (like the economies of West and East Germany under different systems): cultures, economies, population distributions, genetics, healthcare all very similar, so outcomes should be broadly comparable. The tenfold difference in outcomes is very readily and obviously explicable by the difference in public health choice, so it's definitely going to be a big step to get to these intrinsic differences (whatever they are between these two Nordic peoples) explaining it all and the increased isolation from an infectious disease being of zero contribution.
Moron1: Your mum's a puss
Moron2: No, your mom's a puss
Moron1: No, your mum's a puss
Moron2: No, your mom!
Moron1: YOUR MUM! And I've shagged your sister.
I know that Moron has really stuck the boot into the government over them not coming on the show. But I can kind of see why.
Nearly all of the 359 deaths in the number are from the previous fortnight, and the comparison is entirely spurious. The actual number of deaths from yesterday was 20, which will increase as others move through the process and we may have some idea of perhaps 90% of the total in 7 days.
On this one Guido is correct in skewering Newsnight, whose reporting was misleading to (and perhaps beyond) the point off dishonesty. But he diidn't skewer them enough.
They talked about "daily deaths" with the totally misrepresented numbers for their tabloid splash, then went into a spiel about how important it was to be careful.
Just a shitty news report. I don't really know how the Newsnight Editor can sleep at night.