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Several pollsters are asking regular questions on how the public think the government is handling the pandemic. YouGov and Opinium have published the most data on this and I have chosen the former for my chart.
Lets be honest the Government from 2010 has achieved a grand total of f*ck all compared to what Thatcher and Blair achieved.
Actually quite a lot has been 'achieved'; much, if not all of it of it negative.
I would suggest that our country's 'standing' in the world has rarely, if ever, been lower! And that's not me 'talking down' it's a view formed from what I hear and read. Shaming.
Yet none of the "achievements" were intentional bar screwing up the union by creating a border between Northern Ireland and Great Britain.
The government is close to losing all credibility over its handling of the crisis.
Following close behind Cummings we have had the quarantine policy fiasco, ongoing problems in care homes, a whole batch of tests having to be repeated, confusion over the latest rule changes, and now a second wave of infections is likely to break out in parliament itself. We have now overtaken Spain on death rate and are only behind Belgium among nations of any size. Meanwhile the contact App clearly doesn’t work and even islanders are waiting for the promised significantly revised version.
Jackson Carlaw, Leader of the Scottish Conservative and Unionist Party. twisting the knife into BoZo’s belly just now on BBC Radio Scotland. He says, repeatedly, that he is “not wholly convinced” by Dominic Cummings’ explanation for his actions.
Classic code for “the man’s a liar”.
Astonishingly, Carlaw has not spoken to his boss BoZo in months. They have only exchanged two text messages since The Clown was released from hospital.
Carlaw sounds like a drowning man, unable to affect either his opponents nor his (supposed) allies.
The Milton Keynes appointee is a real kick in the groin.
Meanwhile Boris reacts petulantly in parliament to being asked a few pointed but entirely reasonable questions by the opposition, claiming some sort of national responsibility only to agree with the government, while at the same time a batch of his own backbenchers take to the airwaves to pronounce as idiotic their own government policy on quarantine.
This pandemic has always had a touch of the Year 2000 remediation about it.
- If you succeed in containing the virus, then you get blamed for over-hyping its deadliness
- If there are bodies piled high then you get blamed for not doing enough
Like Y2K, even if you succeed, it is perceived as failure.
With the difference that people should be able to see what is happening in other countries such as Brazil. They should be able to see there is already a second wave in Iran. But they're locked down inside their own fantasy worlds of wishful thinking.
Interesting to hear the editor of the Guardian say yesterday that they had decided to do a feature comparing the stories of health workers in the UK, US and Australia who had died of Coronavirus, but the Australian Guardian came back and said they didn't have any who had died.
This pandemic has always had a touch of the Year 2000 remediation about it.
- If you succeed in containing the virus, then you get blamed for over-hyping its deadliness
- If there are bodies piled high then you get blamed for not doing enough
Like Y2K, even if you succeed, it is perceived as failure.
With the difference that people should be able to see what is happening in other countries such as Brazil. They should be able to see there is already a second wave in Iran. But they're locked down inside their own fantasy worlds of wishful thinking.
But for most people the reports from Brazil / Iran are 30 seconds of news 25 minutes into a 30 minute news program that they switched off after the headlines.
Announced deaths, rather than daily deaths (as was said on #Newsnight in the accompanying piece) but pretty stark.
One wonders whether trashing the airline industry with quarantine is really nessecary at this point in time, when we are the hotspot. Quarantine from Brazil, Mexico and USA maybe, but why wreck short-haul?
This pandemic has always had a touch of the Year 2000 remediation about it.
- If you succeed in containing the virus, then you get blamed for over-hyping its deadliness
- If there are bodies piled high then you get blamed for not doing enough
Like Y2K, even if you succeed, it is perceived as failure.
With the difference that people should be able to see what is happening in other countries such as Brazil. They should be able to see there is already a second wave in Iran. But they're locked down inside their own fantasy worlds of wishful thinking.
It is not a case of "... They should be able to see ...", it is more of a "why would they look"? Most people do not care what happens in the next town to theirs never mind some country thousands of miles away. They worry about Aunty Mabel, not Ahmed in Tehran.
Announced deaths, rather than daily deaths (as was said on #Newsnight in the accompanying piece) but pretty stark.
One wonders whether trashing the airline industry with quarantine is really nessecary at this point in time, when we are the hotspot. Quarantine from Brazil, Mexico and USA maybe, but why wreck short-haul?
I wonder whether the truth is that we realise we are likely to have to prevent travel from the US, but daren't risk upsetting the Orange Blob by being so direct about it?
Announced deaths, rather than daily deaths (as was said on #Newsnight in the accompanying piece) but pretty stark.
One wonders whether trashing the airline industry with quarantine is really nessecary at this point in time, when we are the hotspot. Quarantine from Brazil, Mexico and USA maybe, but why wreck short-haul?
I wonder whether the truth is that we realise we are likely to have to prevent travel from the US, but daren't risk upsetting the Orange Blob by being so direct about it?
The Marmalade Monster will be under arrest by the US military for endangering the Constitution...
Announced deaths, rather than daily deaths (as was said on #Newsnight in the accompanying piece) but pretty stark.
One wonders whether trashing the airline industry with quarantine is really nessecary at this point in time, when we are the hotspot. Quarantine from Brazil, Mexico and USA maybe, but why wreck short-haul?
I wonder whether the truth is that we realise we are likely to have to prevent travel from the US, but daren't risk upsetting the Orange Blob by being so direct about it?
The truth is that the government is in chaos, and completely at odds with each other, with a total absence of leadership by BoZo.
Priti clearly is pursuing an independent authoritarian lockdown policy, on top of her immigration one. Conspicuously she was the only one not backing Cummings.
I have no time for the poison dwarf, but she seems to be the only one with a sense of purpose.
Interesting to hear the editor of the Guardian say yesterday that they had decided to do a feature comparing the stories of health workers in the UK, US and Australia who had died of Coronavirus, but the Australian Guardian came back and said they didn't have any who had died.
The reason we have the worst stats is that we are the best at collecting them.
In regard to the black lives matters march yesterday in the UK, I wonder why people just shrug when almost on a daily basis a black teenager stabs to death another black teenager just becuase of the street that he lives in. Why is there not a march about this, don't these black lives matter?
Interesting to hear the editor of the Guardian say yesterday that they had decided to do a feature comparing the stories of health workers in the UK, US and Australia who had died of Coronavirus, but the Australian Guardian came back and said they didn't have any who had died.
The reason we have the worst stats is that we are the best at collecting them.
In regard to the black lives matters march yesterday in the UK, I wonder why people just shrug when almost on a daily basis a black teenager stabs to death another black teenager just becuase of the street that he lives in. Why is there not a march about this, don't these black lives matter?
Australians don't keep records of their dead health workers?
Indeed. Doubtless there are some 'issues' with data from China and Brazil. But to suggest that somehow countries like Germany or South Korea are significantly worse at it than us, or that we don't have problems of our own, is simply blind arrogance.
The supine members of our Cabinet are probably not allowed to answer that, but if you hold on a while, the PB Tories will pop in after they receive today's Attack Lines in their email
Interesting to hear the editor of the Guardian say yesterday that they had decided to do a feature comparing the stories of health workers in the UK, US and Australia who had died of Coronavirus, but the Australian Guardian came back and said they didn't have any who had died.
The reason we have the worst stats is that we are the best at collecting them.
In regard to the black lives matters march yesterday in the UK, I wonder why people just shrug when almost on a daily basis a black teenager stabs to death another black teenager just becuase of the street that he lives in. Why is there not a march about this, don't these black lives matter?
Only certain lives matter. The hysterical ones marching yesterday were the same hysterical ones last week when Cummings was in the news.
Sensible discussion, including on here, is very difficult to come by
Interesting to hear the editor of the Guardian say yesterday that they had decided to do a feature comparing the stories of health workers in the UK, US and Australia who had died of Coronavirus, but the Australian Guardian came back and said they didn't have any who had died.
The reason we have the worst stats is that we are the best at collecting them.
I think the evidence is that our statistical accuracy is at best middling. Not as bad as Indonesia, but worse than most.
Interesting to hear the editor of the Guardian say yesterday that they had decided to do a feature comparing the stories of health workers in the UK, US and Australia who had died of Coronavirus, but the Australian Guardian came back and said they didn't have any who had died.
The reason we have the worst stats is that we are the best at collecting them.
In regard to the black lives matters march yesterday in the UK, I wonder why people just shrug when almost on a daily basis a black teenager stabs to death another black teenager just becuase of the street that he lives in. Why is there not a march about this, don't these black lives matter?
Yes, I think you are beginning to understand how systemic racism works.
Interesting to hear the editor of the Guardian say yesterday that they had decided to do a feature comparing the stories of health workers in the UK, US and Australia who had died of Coronavirus, but the Australian Guardian came back and said they didn't have any who had died.
The reason we have the worst stats is that we are the best at collecting them.
In regard to the black lives matters march yesterday in the UK, I wonder why people just shrug when almost on a daily basis a black teenager stabs to death another black teenager just becuase of the street that he lives in. Why is there not a march about this, don't these black lives matter?
Yes, I think you are beginning to understand how systemic racism works.
BLM is about combating systemic racism.
Young kids in London stabbing each other is nothing to do with race its to do with drugs
Interesting to hear the editor of the Guardian say yesterday that they had decided to do a feature comparing the stories of health workers in the UK, US and Australia who had died of Coronavirus, but the Australian Guardian came back and said they didn't have any who had died.
The reason we have the worst stats is that we are the best at collecting them.
In regard to the black lives matters march yesterday in the UK, I wonder why people just shrug when almost on a daily basis a black teenager stabs to death another black teenager just becuase of the street that he lives in. Why is there not a march about this, don't these black lives matter?
Yes, I think you are beginning to understand how systemic racism works.
BLM is about combating systemic racism.
Young kids in London stabbing each other is nothing to do with race its to do with drugs
And why is nothing effective being done about it?
Is it because it's happening within communities that wider society doesn't care about? Are those communities disproportionately non white?
We call that systemic..... I'll let you fill in the blank.
Interesting to hear the editor of the Guardian say yesterday that they had decided to do a feature comparing the stories of health workers in the UK, US and Australia who had died of Coronavirus, but the Australian Guardian came back and said they didn't have any who had died.
The reason we have the worst stats is that we are the best at collecting them.
In regard to the black lives matters march yesterday in the UK, I wonder why people just shrug when almost on a daily basis a black teenager stabs to death another black teenager just becuase of the street that he lives in. Why is there not a march about this, don't these black lives matter?
Yes, I think you are beginning to understand how systemic racism works.
BLM is about combating systemic racism.
Young kids in London stabbing each other is nothing to do with race its to do with drugs
And why is nothing effective being done about it?
Is it because it's happening within communities that wider society doesn't care about? Are those communities disproportionately non white?
We call that systemic..... I'll let you fill in the blank.
No different to society not giving two shits about what was going on in Rotherham. I don't think I've ever heard that described as racism.
In fact, the media went out of the way to tell us that Asian men weren't more likely to be rapists, ignoring the fact that most of the victims were white girls.
Interesting to hear the editor of the Guardian say yesterday that they had decided to do a feature comparing the stories of health workers in the UK, US and Australia who had died of Coronavirus, but the Australian Guardian came back and said they didn't have any who had died.
The reason we have the worst stats is that we are the best at collecting them.
In regard to the black lives matters march yesterday in the UK, I wonder why people just shrug when almost on a daily basis a black teenager stabs to death another black teenager just becuase of the street that he lives in. Why is there not a march about this, don't these black lives matter?
Yes, I think you are beginning to understand how systemic racism works.
BLM is about combating systemic racism.
Young kids in London stabbing each other is nothing to do with race its to do with drugs
And drug dealing is usually related to lack of role models and other opportunities.
Which sadly is a far greater issue for Black males than any other group (including white working class males)
Interesting to hear the editor of the Guardian say yesterday that they had decided to do a feature comparing the stories of health workers in the UK, US and Australia who had died of Coronavirus, but the Australian Guardian came back and said they didn't have any who had died.
The reason we have the worst stats is that we are the best at collecting them.
In regard to the black lives matters march yesterday in the UK, I wonder why people just shrug when almost on a daily basis a black teenager stabs to death another black teenager just becuase of the street that he lives in. Why is there not a march about this, don't these black lives matter?
Yes, I think you are beginning to understand how systemic racism works.
BLM is about combating systemic racism.
Young kids in London stabbing each other is nothing to do with race its to do with drugs
So why do you think they are predominantly black then?
Interesting to hear the editor of the Guardian say yesterday that they had decided to do a feature comparing the stories of health workers in the UK, US and Australia who had died of Coronavirus, but the Australian Guardian came back and said they didn't have any who had died.
The reason we have the worst stats is that we are the best at collecting them.
In regard to the black lives matters march yesterday in the UK, I wonder why people just shrug when almost on a daily basis a black teenager stabs to death another black teenager just becuase of the street that he lives in. Why is there not a march about this, don't these black lives matter?
Yes, I think you are beginning to understand how systemic racism works.
BLM is about combating systemic racism.
Young kids in London stabbing each other is nothing to do with race its to do with drugs
And why is nothing effective being done about it?
Is it because it's happening within communities that wider society doesn't care about? Are those communities disproportionately non white?
We call that systemic..... I'll let you fill in the blank.
Out of interest who is "we"?
You're right, wider society doesn't care, but the white middle class liberals in Islington care alright - where do you think they buy their drugs? Yep, from the black kids on bikes without a care of the consequences.
That made me laugh as to how they are already collecting excuses, assigning blame in advance and looking for a Chairman who will not go gunning for scalps.
The govt knows it is in the sh*t and that probably explains a large part of Boris's increasing tetchiness...
Interesting to hear the editor of the Guardian say yesterday that they had decided to do a feature comparing the stories of health workers in the UK, US and Australia who had died of Coronavirus, but the Australian Guardian came back and said they didn't have any who had died.
The reason we have the worst stats is that we are the best at collecting them.
In regard to the black lives matters march yesterday in the UK, I wonder why people just shrug when almost on a daily basis a black teenager stabs to death another black teenager just becuase of the street that he lives in. Why is there not a march about this, don't these black lives matter?
Yes, I think you are beginning to understand how systemic racism works.
BLM is about combating systemic racism.
Young kids in London stabbing each other is nothing to do with race its to do with drugs
And drug dealing is usually related to lack of role models and other opportunities.
Which sadly is a far greater issue for Black males than any other group (including white working class males)
Correct, and has been for decades. I'm not sure how you persuade young black people to take parenthood more seriously.
R4: Brandon Lewis suggesting Sharma may have had "severe hay fever"
Brandon Lewis was also totally unable to answer the question; 'how many is thousands'. Unable, apparently to distinguish between two and ten (for example).
Interesting to hear the editor of the Guardian say yesterday that they had decided to do a feature comparing the stories of health workers in the UK, US and Australia who had died of Coronavirus, but the Australian Guardian came back and said they didn't have any who had died.
The reason we have the worst stats is that we are the best at collecting them.
In regard to the black lives matters march yesterday in the UK, I wonder why people just shrug when almost on a daily basis a black teenager stabs to death another black teenager just becuase of the street that he lives in. Why is there not a march about this, don't these black lives matter?
Yes, I think you are beginning to understand how systemic racism works.
BLM is about combating systemic racism.
Young kids in London stabbing each other is nothing to do with race its to do with drugs
So why do you think they are predominantly black then?
Interesting to hear the editor of the Guardian say yesterday that they had decided to do a feature comparing the stories of health workers in the UK, US and Australia who had died of Coronavirus, but the Australian Guardian came back and said they didn't have any who had died.
The reason we have the worst stats is that we are the best at collecting them.
I think the evidence is that our statistical accuracy is at best middling. Not as bad as Indonesia, but worse than most.
No truly reliable statistics on this for any country are going to emerge for at least two years, maybe longer. In some of them, e.g. China, they will probably never emerge.
Just as well the PM has a close advisor who has realised this for years, and is determined to push through major Whitehall reforms. I wonder when it will hit the mandarins, that they’re going to be the ones in the firing line?
Could be that the PM's expression of pride in his the government’s record and response on coronavirus (at PMQs) will impact negatively on his approval ratings.
Announced deaths, rather than daily deaths (as was said on #Newsnight in the accompanying piece) but pretty stark.
One wonders whether trashing the airline industry with quarantine is really nessecary at this point in time, when we are the hotspot. Quarantine from Brazil, Mexico and USA maybe, but why wreck short-haul?
I wonder whether the truth is that we realise we are likely to have to prevent travel from the US, but daren't risk upsetting the Orange Blob by being so direct about it?
I can think of a couple of other practical/presentational problems.
1. You are reliant on accurate knowledge of virus prevalence in other countries. This is difficult because of problems with testing, and the incubation period and asymptotic spread. If there was a second wave in France would we know about it in time to prevent it spreading here in large numbers?
2. If you impose quarantine only on the subset of countries with higher infection rates than the UK, and that list is short, it looks bad.
Both of those reasons point to imposing blanket restrictions that you lift selectively and carefully.
Interesting to hear the editor of the Guardian say yesterday that they had decided to do a feature comparing the stories of health workers in the UK, US and Australia who had died of Coronavirus, but the Australian Guardian came back and said they didn't have any who had died.
The reason we have the worst stats is that we are the best at collecting them.
In regard to the black lives matters march yesterday in the UK, I wonder why people just shrug when almost on a daily basis a black teenager stabs to death another black teenager just becuase of the street that he lives in. Why is there not a march about this, don't these black lives matter?
Yes, I think you are beginning to understand how systemic racism works.
BLM is about combating systemic racism.
Young kids in London stabbing each other is nothing to do with race its to do with drugs
So why do you think they are predominantly black then?
No idea mate, just stating a fact
You stated it as it it was some devastating rebuttal to the idea of systemic racism.
Announced deaths, rather than daily deaths (as was said on #Newsnight in the accompanying piece) but pretty stark.
One wonders whether trashing the airline industry with quarantine is really nessecary at this point in time, when we are the hotspot. Quarantine from Brazil, Mexico and USA maybe, but why wreck short-haul?
I wonder whether the truth is that we realise we are likely to have to prevent travel from the US, but daren't risk upsetting the Orange Blob by being so direct about it?
The truth is that the government is in chaos, and completely at odds with each other, with a total absence of leadership by BoZo.
Priti clearly is pursuing an independent authoritarian lockdown policy, on top of her immigration one. Conspicuously she was the only one not backing Cummings.
I have no time for the poison dwarf, but she seems to be the only one with a sense of purpose.
'Poison dwarf' referring to a BME politician from a doctor grates
Interesting to hear the editor of the Guardian say yesterday that they had decided to do a feature comparing the stories of health workers in the UK, US and Australia who had died of Coronavirus, but the Australian Guardian came back and said they didn't have any who had died.
The reason we have the worst stats is that we are the best at collecting them.
In regard to the black lives matters march yesterday in the UK, I wonder why people just shrug when almost on a daily basis a black teenager stabs to death another black teenager just becuase of the street that he lives in. Why is there not a march about this, don't these black lives matter?
Yes, I think you are beginning to understand how systemic racism works.
BLM is about combating systemic racism.
+1. With all the coverage regarding the Madeline McCann suspect this morning. This tragic case has been in the news for 13 years. In the UK a child is reported missing every 3 minutes. There has never been any coverage regarding, say, the disappearance of Zhara Ibdi, who has not been seen since 2005, or Yan Chen, who vanished the following year. It sounds crass but the difference is obvious.
Interesting to hear the editor of the Guardian say yesterday that they had decided to do a feature comparing the stories of health workers in the UK, US and Australia who had died of Coronavirus, but the Australian Guardian came back and said they didn't have any who had died.
The reason we have the worst stats is that we are the best at collecting them.
In regard to the black lives matters march yesterday in the UK, I wonder why people just shrug when almost on a daily basis a black teenager stabs to death another black teenager just becuase of the street that he lives in. Why is there not a march about this, don't these black lives matter?
Yes, I think you are beginning to understand how systemic racism works.
BLM is about combating systemic racism.
Young kids in London stabbing each other is nothing to do with race its to do with drugs
So why do you think they are predominantly black then?
No idea mate, just stating a fact
You stated it as it it was some devastating rebuttal to the idea of systemic racism.
I did no such thing, look at the stats re the stabbings its massively black on black, you might find that unpalatable but its a fact. It has nothing to do with racism.
Announced deaths, rather than daily deaths (as was said on #Newsnight in the accompanying piece) but pretty stark.
One wonders whether trashing the airline industry with quarantine is really nessecary at this point in time, when we are the hotspot. Quarantine from Brazil, Mexico and USA maybe, but why wreck short-haul?
I wonder whether the truth is that we realise we are likely to have to prevent travel from the US, but daren't risk upsetting the Orange Blob by being so direct about it?
I can think of a couple of other practical/presentational problems.
1. You are reliant on accurate knowledge of virus prevalence in other countries. This is difficult because of problems with testing, and the incubation period and asymptotic spread. If there was a second wave in France would we know about it in time to prevent it spreading here in large numbers?
2. If you impose quarantine only on the subset of countries with higher infection rates than the UK, and that list is short, it looks bad.
Both of those reasons point to imposing blanket restrictions that you lift selectively and carefully.
Also, a reliable way of working out where people have been in the past couple of weeks before they arrive. Someone coming in on a plane from the Schengen zone, or one of the large Middle East airports, can have been quite literally anywhere.
Interesting to hear the editor of the Guardian say yesterday that they had decided to do a feature comparing the stories of health workers in the UK, US and Australia who had died of Coronavirus, but the Australian Guardian came back and said they didn't have any who had died.
The reason we have the worst stats is that we are the best at collecting them.
In regard to the black lives matters march yesterday in the UK, I wonder why people just shrug when almost on a daily basis a black teenager stabs to death another black teenager just becuase of the street that he lives in. Why is there not a march about this, don't these black lives matter?
Yes, I think you are beginning to understand how systemic racism works.
BLM is about combating systemic racism.
Young kids in London stabbing each other is nothing to do with race its to do with drugs
So why do you think they are predominantly black then?
No idea mate, just stating a fact
Yes you do. You didn't state a fact, you stated an opinion. You said it had nothing to do with race. That is an opinion not a fact. The FACT that a disproportionate number are black implies it is related to race.
The supine members of our Cabinet are probably not allowed to answer that, but if you hold on a while, the PB Tories will pop in after they receive today's Attack Lines in their email
But I do think the Office for National Statistics are the gold standard. Their weekly death statistics publication is top notch.
If the terms of reference requested by the client (HMG) are spurious, the results will be spurious, regardless of the accuracy of the ONS.
The stats published by the ONS - i.e. the total number of deaths - are independent of government. What's great about the ONS stats is that they are updated on a weekly basis and have been done so for years and years. We can have a lot of confidence in those statistics.
Announced deaths, rather than daily deaths (as was said on #Newsnight in the accompanying piece) but pretty stark.
One wonders whether trashing the airline industry with quarantine is really nessecary at this point in time, when we are the hotspot. Quarantine from Brazil, Mexico and USA maybe, but why wreck short-haul?
I wonder whether the truth is that we realise we are likely to have to prevent travel from the US, but daren't risk upsetting the Orange Blob by being so direct about it?
I can think of a couple of other practical/presentational problems.
1. You are reliant on accurate knowledge of virus prevalence in other countries. This is difficult because of problems with testing, and the incubation period and asymptotic spread. If there was a second wave in France would we know about it in time to prevent it spreading here in large numbers?
2. If you impose quarantine only on the subset of countries with higher infection rates than the UK, and that list is short, it looks bad.
Both of those reasons point to imposing blanket restrictions that you lift selectively and carefully.
Also, a reliable way of working out where people have been in the past couple of weeks before they arrive. Someone coming in on a plane from the Schengen zone, or one of the large Middle East airports, can have been quite literally anywhere.
In March Italy banned flights from China. So people came in via Heathrow and Schiphol instead.
Interesting to hear the editor of the Guardian say yesterday that they had decided to do a feature comparing the stories of health workers in the UK, US and Australia who had died of Coronavirus, but the Australian Guardian came back and said they didn't have any who had died.
The reason we have the worst stats is that we are the best at collecting them.
In regard to the black lives matters march yesterday in the UK, I wonder why people just shrug when almost on a daily basis a black teenager stabs to death another black teenager just becuase of the street that he lives in. Why is there not a march about this, don't these black lives matter?
Yes, I think you are beginning to understand how systemic racism works.
BLM is about combating systemic racism.
Young kids in London stabbing each other is nothing to do with race its to do with drugs
And drug dealing is usually related to lack of role models and other opportunities.
Which sadly is a far greater issue for Black males than any other group (including white working class males)
Correct, and has been for decades. I'm not sure how you persuade young black people to take parenthood more seriously.
Interesting to hear the editor of the Guardian say yesterday that they had decided to do a feature comparing the stories of health workers in the UK, US and Australia who had died of Coronavirus, but the Australian Guardian came back and said they didn't have any who had died.
The reason we have the worst stats is that we are the best at collecting them.
In regard to the black lives matters march yesterday in the UK, I wonder why people just shrug when almost on a daily basis a black teenager stabs to death another black teenager just becuase of the street that he lives in. Why is there not a march about this, don't these black lives matter?
Yes, I think you are beginning to understand how systemic racism works.
BLM is about combating systemic racism.
Young kids in London stabbing each other is nothing to do with race its to do with drugs
And drug dealing is usually related to lack of role models and other opportunities.
Which sadly is a far greater issue for Black males than any other group (including white working class males)
Correct, and has been for decades. I'm not sure how you persuade young black people to take parenthood more seriously.
I'm sure I read somewhere that, in part at least, it's a result of slavery. Men were sold away from their wives and children, and 'children' were sold away from their parents. Men were encouraged to breed with several women because they were strong. I don't think, although I've never read any studies on the subject, there's a culture of male abandonment of families, or family responsibilities, in West Africa. AFAIK, or have ever heard, it's the same as the rest of the world.
Just as well the PM has a close advisor who has realised this for years, and is determined to push through major Whitehall reforms. I wonder when it will hit the mandarins, that they’re going to be the ones in the firing line?
Interesting to hear the editor of the Guardian say yesterday that they had decided to do a feature comparing the stories of health workers in the UK, US and Australia who had died of Coronavirus, but the Australian Guardian came back and said they didn't have any who had died.
The reason we have the worst stats is that we are the best at collecting them.
In regard to the black lives matters march yesterday in the UK, I wonder why people just shrug when almost on a daily basis a black teenager stabs to death another black teenager just becuase of the street that he lives in. Why is there not a march about this, don't these black lives matter?
Yes, I think you are beginning to understand how systemic racism works.
BLM is about combating systemic racism.
Young kids in London stabbing each other is nothing to do with race its to do with drugs
So why do you think they are predominantly black then?
No idea mate, just stating a fact
Yes you do. You didn't state a fact, you stated an opinion. You said it had nothing to do with race. That is an opinion not a fact. The FACT that a disproportionate number are black implies it is related to race.
It is a fact, you might find it uncomfortable but its undeniable. Talk to the middle class white people who buy the drugs, they know the score.
And I appreciate you're desperate to call me a racist so just get it over and done with.
Announced deaths, rather than daily deaths (as was said on #Newsnight in the accompanying piece) but pretty stark.
One wonders whether trashing the airline industry with quarantine is really nessecary at this point in time, when we are the hotspot. Quarantine from Brazil, Mexico and USA maybe, but why wreck short-haul?
I wonder whether the truth is that we realise we are likely to have to prevent travel from the US, but daren't risk upsetting the Orange Blob by being so direct about it?
I can think of a couple of other practical/presentational problems.
1. You are reliant on accurate knowledge of virus prevalence in other countries. This is difficult because of problems with testing, and the incubation period and asymptotic spread. If there was a second wave in France would we know about it in time to prevent it spreading here in large numbers?
2. If you impose quarantine only on the subset of countries with higher infection rates than the UK, and that list is short, it looks bad.
Both of those reasons point to imposing blanket restrictions that you lift selectively and carefully.
Also, a reliable way of working out where people have been in the past couple of weeks before they arrive. Someone coming in on a plane from the Schengen zone, or one of the large Middle East airports, can have been quite literally anywhere.
Yes, I would have thought that a feature of any reciprocal agreement on freeing travel between countries - as between Australia and New Zealand - would be a mutual agreement not to lift restrictions on other countries until doing so together.
That way you can lift restrictions on travel from France, say, confident that they will share your continuing restrictions on travel from the US, Brazil, Mexico, etc.
Interesting to hear the editor of the Guardian say yesterday that they had decided to do a feature comparing the stories of health workers in the UK, US and Australia who had died of Coronavirus, but the Australian Guardian came back and said they didn't have any who had died.
The reason we have the worst stats is that we are the best at collecting them.
In regard to the black lives matters march yesterday in the UK, I wonder why people just shrug when almost on a daily basis a black teenager stabs to death another black teenager just becuase of the street that he lives in. Why is there not a march about this, don't these black lives matter?
Yes, I think you are beginning to understand how systemic racism works.
BLM is about combating systemic racism.
Young kids in London stabbing each other is nothing to do with race its to do with drugs
And drug dealing is usually related to lack of role models and other opportunities.
Which sadly is a far greater issue for Black males than any other group (including white working class males)
Correct, and has been for decades. I'm not sure how you persuade young black people to take parenthood more seriously.
Interesting to hear the editor of the Guardian say yesterday that they had decided to do a feature comparing the stories of health workers in the UK, US and Australia who had died of Coronavirus, but the Australian Guardian came back and said they didn't have any who had died.
The reason we have the worst stats is that we are the best at collecting them.
In regard to the black lives matters march yesterday in the UK, I wonder why people just shrug when almost on a daily basis a black teenager stabs to death another black teenager just becuase of the street that he lives in. Why is there not a march about this, don't these black lives matter?
Yes, I think you are beginning to understand how systemic racism works.
BLM is about combating systemic racism.
Young kids in London stabbing each other is nothing to do with race its to do with drugs
And drug dealing is usually related to lack of role models and other opportunities.
Which sadly is a far greater issue for Black males than any other group (including white working class males)
Correct, and has been for decades. I'm not sure how you persuade young black people to take parenthood more seriously.
I find this comment out of order.
I suspect you find quite a lot of things out of order
Interesting to hear the editor of the Guardian say yesterday that they had decided to do a feature comparing the stories of health workers in the UK, US and Australia who had died of Coronavirus, but the Australian Guardian came back and said they didn't have any who had died.
The reason we have the worst stats is that we are the best at collecting them.
In regard to the black lives matters march yesterday in the UK, I wonder why people just shrug when almost on a daily basis a black teenager stabs to death another black teenager just becuase of the street that he lives in. Why is there not a march about this, don't these black lives matter?
Yes, I think you are beginning to understand how systemic racism works.
BLM is about combating systemic racism.
Young kids in London stabbing each other is nothing to do with race its to do with drugs
And why is nothing effective being done about it?
Is it because it's happening within communities that wider society doesn't care about? Are those communities disproportionately non white?
We call that systemic..... I'll let you fill in the blank.
Out of interest who is "we"?
You're right, wider society doesn't care, but the white middle class liberals in Islington care alright - where do you think they buy their drugs? Yep, from the black kids on bikes without a care of the consequences.
I've filled in the blank for you, hope it helped.
White middle class people in Islington all do drugs do they? Like Dominic Cummings and Boris Johnson? Do tell us more. In my experience of being a white liberal middle class person living in an area with a high BME population, serious deprivation and regular stabbing incidents involving young people, I can tell you there is a lot more concern, activism and support from within the local community here than from the white population as a whole, who seem happy to fall back on ridiculous stereotypes and victim blaming. Perhaps it's different north of the river, but the picture you are painting strikes me as more like an absurd fantasy from a provincial Daily Mail reader than an informed and serious contribution to the debate. We live in the same streets as victims of violence, our kids go to the same schools, do you honestly think we don't care? Grow up.
Interesting to hear the editor of the Guardian say yesterday that they had decided to do a feature comparing the stories of health workers in the UK, US and Australia who had died of Coronavirus, but the Australian Guardian came back and said they didn't have any who had died.
The reason we have the worst stats is that we are the best at collecting them.
In regard to the black lives matters march yesterday in the UK, I wonder why people just shrug when almost on a daily basis a black teenager stabs to death another black teenager just becuase of the street that he lives in. Why is there not a march about this, don't these black lives matter?
Yes, I think you are beginning to understand how systemic racism works.
BLM is about combating systemic racism.
Young kids in London stabbing each other is nothing to do with race its to do with drugs
So why do you think they are predominantly black then?
No idea mate, just stating a fact
Yes you do. You didn't state a fact, you stated an opinion. You said it had nothing to do with race. That is an opinion not a fact. The FACT that a disproportionate number are black implies it is related to race.
It is a fact, you might find it uncomfortable but its undeniable. Talk to the middle class white people who buy the drugs, they know the score.
And I appreciate you're desperate to call me a racist so just get it over and done with.
This is weird Do you not know the difference between a fact and an opinion?
Interesting to hear the editor of the Guardian say yesterday that they had decided to do a feature comparing the stories of health workers in the UK, US and Australia who had died of Coronavirus, but the Australian Guardian came back and said they didn't have any who had died.
The reason we have the worst stats is that we are the best at collecting them.
In regard to the black lives matters march yesterday in the UK, I wonder why people just shrug when almost on a daily basis a black teenager stabs to death another black teenager just becuase of the street that he lives in. Why is there not a march about this, don't these black lives matter?
Yes, I think you are beginning to understand how systemic racism works.
BLM is about combating systemic racism.
Young kids in London stabbing each other is nothing to do with race its to do with drugs
And drug dealing is usually related to lack of role models and other opportunities.
Which sadly is a far greater issue for Black males than any other group (including white working class males)
Correct, and has been for decades. I'm not sure how you persuade young black people to take parenthood more seriously.
I'm sure I read somewhere that, in part at least, it's a result of slavery. Men were sold away from their wives and children, and 'children' were sold away from their parents. Men were encouraged to breed with several women because they were strong. I don't think, although I've never read any studies on the subject, there's a culture of male abandonment of families, or family responsibilities, in West Africa. AFAIK, or have ever heard, it's the same as the rest of the world.
The last thing black people need is a bunch of white people telling them about family life.
Frankly, that's something which government and 'society' as a whole can't help with directly, and which people have to work on themselves and within that community.
Interesting to hear the editor of the Guardian say yesterday that they had decided to do a feature comparing the stories of health workers in the UK, US and Australia who had died of Coronavirus, but the Australian Guardian came back and said they didn't have any who had died.
The reason we have the worst stats is that we are the best at collecting them.
In regard to the black lives matters march yesterday in the UK, I wonder why people just shrug when almost on a daily basis a black teenager stabs to death another black teenager just becuase of the street that he lives in. Why is there not a march about this, don't these black lives matter?
Yes, I think you are beginning to understand how systemic racism works.
BLM is about combating systemic racism.
Young kids in London stabbing each other is nothing to do with race its to do with drugs
So why do you think they are predominantly black then?
No idea mate, just stating a fact
You stated it as it it was some devastating rebuttal to the idea of systemic racism.
I did no such thing, look at the stats re the stabbings its massively black on black, you might find that unpalatable but its a fact. It has nothing to do with racism.
And for the second time, who is "we" please?
Mate, the conversation so far has be Me: Systemic racism exists You: but what about this effect of systemic racism Me: Yes, that is definetely an effect of Sytemic Racism, good example You: You don't like that I'm mentioning this clear and obvious effect of systemic racism
SOP from the feckless lot in charge, but not in control, of our government. Any bad consequences from their CV19 response somehow is the fault of a vague "British State" concept that is "not fit for purpose".
Interesting to hear the editor of the Guardian say yesterday that they had decided to do a feature comparing the stories of health workers in the UK, US and Australia who had died of Coronavirus, but the Australian Guardian came back and said they didn't have any who had died.
The reason we have the worst stats is that we are the best at collecting them.
In regard to the black lives matters march yesterday in the UK, I wonder why people just shrug when almost on a daily basis a black teenager stabs to death another black teenager just becuase of the street that he lives in. Why is there not a march about this, don't these black lives matter?
Yes, I think you are beginning to understand how systemic racism works.
BLM is about combating systemic racism.
Young kids in London stabbing each other is nothing to do with race its to do with drugs
And drug dealing is usually related to lack of role models and other opportunities.
Which sadly is a far greater issue for Black males than any other group (including white working class males)
Correct, and has been for decades. I'm not sure how you persuade young black people to take parenthood more seriously.
Here’s an example of everyday racism on my part regarding cultural depictions. A few months ago I watched the Mary Queen of Scots movie with Saoirse Ronan. It is very unlikely that Mary spoke with a heavy Scots accent as she was portrayed, having spent virtually all her childhood in France, and I knew that. However, halfway through I noticed I was less bothered by how Mary sounded than how Thomas Randolph, who was played by black actor Adrian Lester, looked. Neither was I as bothered that Margot Robbie is much much better looking than the historical Elizabeth I. My brain had been trained to ignore those historical inaccuracies, and the many others in the film, save for the amount of melanin in one actor’s skin. That’s systemic racism showing in someone who tries really really hard not to be racist.
Similarly we have no problem with James Bond having a Scots, English, Irish or indeed Australian accent, having brown or blue eyes, chest hair or no chest hair, but if a black actor is ever cast in the role we all know how the usual suspects will react.
Just as well the PM has a close advisor who has realised this for years, and is determined to push through major Whitehall reforms. I wonder when it will hit the mandarins, that they’re going to be the ones in the firing line?
The Telegraph seems to have dropped the line that even more centralised power will somehow weaken Dominic Cummings, about which scepticism was posted here; today Sir Edward Lister:
Interesting to hear the editor of the Guardian say yesterday that they had decided to do a feature comparing the stories of health workers in the UK, US and Australia who had died of Coronavirus, but the Australian Guardian came back and said they didn't have any who had died.
The reason we have the worst stats is that we are the best at collecting them.
In regard to the black lives matters march yesterday in the UK, I wonder why people just shrug when almost on a daily basis a black teenager stabs to death another black teenager just becuase of the street that he lives in. Why is there not a march about this, don't these black lives matter?
Yes, I think you are beginning to understand how systemic racism works.
BLM is about combating systemic racism.
Young kids in London stabbing each other is nothing to do with race its to do with drugs
And drug dealing is usually related to lack of role models and other opportunities.
Which sadly is a far greater issue for Black males than any other group (including white working class males)
Correct, and has been for decades. I'm not sure how you persuade young black people to take parenthood more seriously.
So, hang on, previous post it was nothing to do with race and now it's all about it?
Interesting to hear the editor of the Guardian say yesterday that they had decided to do a feature comparing the stories of health workers in the UK, US and Australia who had died of Coronavirus, but the Australian Guardian came back and said they didn't have any who had died.
The reason we have the worst stats is that we are the best at collecting them.
In regard to the black lives matters march yesterday in the UK, I wonder why people just shrug when almost on a daily basis a black teenager stabs to death another black teenager just becuase of the street that he lives in. Why is there not a march about this, don't these black lives matter?
Yes, I think you are beginning to understand how systemic racism works.
BLM is about combating systemic racism.
Young kids in London stabbing each other is nothing to do with race its to do with drugs
So why do you think they are predominantly black then?
No idea mate, just stating a fact
Yes you do. You didn't state a fact, you stated an opinion. You said it had nothing to do with race. That is an opinion not a fact. The FACT that a disproportionate number are black implies it is related to race.
It is a fact, you might find it uncomfortable but its undeniable. Talk to the middle class white people who buy the drugs, they know the score.
And I appreciate you're desperate to call me a racist so just get it over and done with.
This is weird Do you not know the difference between a fact and an opinion?
Do you not know what systemic means?
I really have no idea where you're going with this, but its clear you have very little understanding of the drug supply chain in the UK.
Boris is a conundrum. He waffles, and I've never heard him finish a sentence yet. A boring version of Frankie Howerd - without the humour. He has no train of thought. Yet he generates odd support, and attracts very nasty hatred.
Interesting to hear the editor of the Guardian say yesterday that they had decided to do a feature comparing the stories of health workers in the UK, US and Australia who had died of Coronavirus, but the Australian Guardian came back and said they didn't have any who had died.
The reason we have the worst stats is that we are the best at collecting them.
In regard to the black lives matters march yesterday in the UK, I wonder why people just shrug when almost on a daily basis a black teenager stabs to death another black teenager just becuase of the street that he lives in. Why is there not a march about this, don't these black lives matter?
Yes, I think you are beginning to understand how systemic racism works.
BLM is about combating systemic racism.
Young kids in London stabbing each other is nothing to do with race its to do with drugs
And why is nothing effective being done about it?
Is it because it's happening within communities that wider society doesn't care about? Are those communities disproportionately non white?
We call that systemic..... I'll let you fill in the blank.
Out of interest who is "we"?
You're right, wider society doesn't care, but the white middle class liberals in Islington care alright - where do you think they buy their drugs? Yep, from the black kids on bikes without a care of the consequences.
I've filled in the blank for you, hope it helped.
White middle class people in Islington all do drugs do they? Like Dominic Cummings and Boris Johnson? Do tell us more. In my experience of being a white liberal middle class person living in an area with a high BME population, serious deprivation and regular stabbing incidents involving young people, I can tell you there is a lot more concern, activism and support from within the local community here than from the white population as a whole, who seem happy to fall back on ridiculous stereotypes and victim blaming. Perhaps it's different north of the river, but the picture you are painting strikes me as more like an absurd fantasy from a provincial Daily Mail reader than an informed and serious contribution to the debate. We live in the same streets as victims of violence, our kids go to the same schools, do you honestly think we don't care? Grow up.
Haha! A self confessed "white, liberal, middle class person" telling me to grow up!
You're deluded mate, you're the problem. And keep telling yourself I read the Daily Mail.
Boris is a conundrum. He waffles, and I've never heard him finish a sentence yet. A boring version of Frankie Howerd - without the humour. He has no train of thought. Yet he generates odd support, and attracts very nasty hatred.
Interesting to hear the editor of the Guardian say yesterday that they had decided to do a feature comparing the stories of health workers in the UK, US and Australia who had died of Coronavirus, but the Australian Guardian came back and said they didn't have any who had died.
The reason we have the worst stats is that we are the best at collecting them.
In regard to the black lives matters march yesterday in the UK, I wonder why people just shrug when almost on a daily basis a black teenager stabs to death another black teenager just becuase of the street that he lives in. Why is there not a march about this, don't these black lives matter?
Yes, I think you are beginning to understand how systemic racism works.
BLM is about combating systemic racism.
Young kids in London stabbing each other is nothing to do with race its to do with drugs
So why do you think they are predominantly black then?
No idea mate, just stating a fact
You stated it as it it was some devastating rebuttal to the idea of systemic racism.
I did no such thing, look at the stats re the stabbings its massively black on black, you might find that unpalatable but its a fact. It has nothing to do with racism.
And for the second time, who is "we" please?
Mate, the conversation so far has be Me: Systemic racism exists You: but what about this effect of systemic racism Me: Yes, that is definetely an effect of Sytemic Racism, good example You: You don't like that I'm mentioning this clear and obvious effect of systemic racism
Interesting to hear the editor of the Guardian say yesterday that they had decided to do a feature comparing the stories of health workers in the UK, US and Australia who had died of Coronavirus, but the Australian Guardian came back and said they didn't have any who had died.
The reason we have the worst stats is that we are the best at collecting them.
In regard to the black lives matters march yesterday in the UK, I wonder why people just shrug when almost on a daily basis a black teenager stabs to death another black teenager just becuase of the street that he lives in. Why is there not a march about this, don't these black lives matter?
Yes, I think you are beginning to understand how systemic racism works.
BLM is about combating systemic racism.
Young kids in London stabbing each other is nothing to do with race its to do with drugs
And drug dealing is usually related to lack of role models and other opportunities.
Which sadly is a far greater issue for Black males than any other group (including white working class males)
Correct, and has been for decades. I'm not sure how you persuade young black people to take parenthood more seriously.
Here’s an example of everyday racism on my part regarding cultural depictions. A few months ago I watched the Mary Queen of Scots movie with Saoirse Ronan. It is very unlikely that Mary spoke with a heavy Scots accent as she was portrayed, having spent virtually all her childhood in France, and I knew that. However, halfway through I noticed I was less bothered by how Mary sounded than how Thomas Randolph, who was played by black actor Adrian Lester, looked. Neither was I as bothered that Margot Robbie is much much better looking than the historical Elizabeth I. My brain had been trained to ignore those historical inaccuracies, and the many others in the film, save for the amount of melanin in one actor’s skin. That’s systemic racism showing in someone who tries really really hard not to be racist.
Similarly we have no problem with James Bond having a Scots, English, Irish or indeed Australian accent, having brown or blue eyes, chest hair or no chest hair, but if a black actor is ever cast in the role we all know how the usual suspects will react.
What do you think the response would be if a white actor was cast in the role of playing a black person ?
Interesting to hear the editor of the Guardian say yesterday that they had decided to do a feature comparing the stories of health workers in the UK, US and Australia who had died of Coronavirus, but the Australian Guardian came back and said they didn't have any who had died.
The reason we have the worst stats is that we are the best at collecting them.
In regard to the black lives matters march yesterday in the UK, I wonder why people just shrug when almost on a daily basis a black teenager stabs to death another black teenager just becuase of the street that he lives in. Why is there not a march about this, don't these black lives matter?
Yes, I think you are beginning to understand how systemic racism works.
BLM is about combating systemic racism.
Young kids in London stabbing each other is nothing to do with race its to do with drugs
And drug dealing is usually related to lack of role models and other opportunities.
Which sadly is a far greater issue for Black males than any other group (including white working class males)
Correct, and has been for decades. I'm not sure how you persuade young black people to take parenthood more seriously.
Here’s an example of everyday racism on my part regarding cultural depictions. A few months ago I watched the Mary Queen of Scots movie with Saoirse Ronan. It is very unlikely that Mary spoke with a heavy Scots accent as she was portrayed, having spent virtually all her childhood in France, and I knew that. However, halfway through I noticed I was less bothered by how Mary sounded than how Thomas Randolph, who was played by black actor Adrian Lester, looked. Neither was I as bothered that Margot Robbie is much much better looking than the historical Elizabeth I. My brain had been trained to ignore those historical inaccuracies, and the many others in the film, save for the amount of melanin in one actor’s skin. That’s systemic racism showing in someone who tries really really hard not to be racist.
Similarly we have no problem with James Bond having a Scots, English, Irish or indeed Australian accent, having brown or blue eyes, chest hair or no chest hair, but if a black actor is ever cast in the role we all know how the usual suspects will react.
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Good morning BTW
Following close behind Cummings we have had the quarantine policy fiasco, ongoing problems in care homes, a whole batch of tests having to be repeated, confusion over the latest rule changes, and now a second wave of infections is likely to break out in parliament itself. We have now overtaken Spain on death rate and are only behind Belgium among nations of any size. Meanwhile the contact App clearly doesn’t work and even islanders are waiting for the promised significantly revised version.
- If you succeed in containing the virus, then you get blamed for over-hyping its deadliness
- If there are bodies piled high then you get blamed for not doing enough
Like Y2K, even if you succeed, it is perceived as failure.
Classic code for “the man’s a liar”.
Astonishingly, Carlaw has not spoken to his boss BoZo in months. They have only exchanged two text messages since The Clown was released from hospital.
Carlaw sounds like a drowning man, unable to affect either his opponents nor his (supposed) allies.
The Milton Keynes appointee is a real kick in the groin.
Just face it. The PM is a lazy, ill prepared fuckwit.
One wonders whether trashing the airline industry with quarantine is really nessecary at this point in time, when we are the hotspot. Quarantine from Brazil, Mexico and USA maybe, but why wreck short-haul?
Priti clearly is pursuing an independent authoritarian lockdown policy, on top of her immigration one. Conspicuously she was the only one not backing Cummings.
I have no time for the poison dwarf, but she seems to be the only one with a sense of purpose.
In regard to the black lives matters march yesterday in the UK, I wonder why people just shrug when almost on a daily basis a black teenager stabs to death another black teenager just becuase of the street that he lives in. Why is there not a march about this, don't these black lives matter?
https://twitter.com/EdConwaySky/status/1267856088449323010
https://twitter.com/EdConwaySky/status/1267856089661542400
Sensible discussion, including on here, is very difficult to come by
But I do think the Office for National Statistics are the gold standard. Their weekly death statistics publication is top notch.
https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2020/04/16/tracking-covid-19-excess-deaths-across-countries
BLM is about combating systemic racism.
we have a new shitpost meme. brilliant.
Is it because it's happening within communities that wider society doesn't care about? Are those communities disproportionately non white?
We call that systemic..... I'll let you fill in the blank.
In fact, the media went out of the way to tell us that Asian men weren't more likely to be rapists, ignoring the fact that most of the victims were white girls.
Which sadly is a far greater issue for Black males than any other group (including white working class males)
You're right, wider society doesn't care, but the white middle class liberals in Islington care alright - where do you think they buy their drugs? Yep, from the black kids on bikes without a care of the consequences.
I've filled in the blank for you, hope it helped.
The govt knows it is in the sh*t and that probably explains a large part of Boris's increasing tetchiness...
1. You are reliant on accurate knowledge of virus prevalence in other countries. This is difficult because of problems with testing, and the incubation period and asymptotic spread. If there was a second wave in France would we know about it in time to prevent it spreading here in large numbers?
2. If you impose quarantine only on the subset of countries with higher infection rates than the UK, and that list is short, it looks bad.
Both of those reasons point to imposing blanket restrictions that you lift selectively and carefully.
And I absolutely do not support her
And for the second time, who is "we" please?
I don't think, although I've never read any studies on the subject, there's a culture of male abandonment of families, or family responsibilities, in West Africa. AFAIK, or have ever heard, it's the same as the rest of the world.
And I appreciate you're desperate to call me a racist so just get it over and done with.
That way you can lift restrictions on travel from France, say, confident that they will share your continuing restrictions on travel from the US, Brazil, Mexico, etc.
In my experience of being a white liberal middle class person living in an area with a high BME population, serious deprivation and regular stabbing incidents involving young people, I can tell you there is a lot more concern, activism and support from within the local community here than from the white population as a whole, who seem happy to fall back on ridiculous stereotypes and victim blaming. Perhaps it's different north of the river, but the picture you are painting strikes me as more like an absurd fantasy from a provincial Daily Mail reader than an informed and serious contribution to the debate. We live in the same streets as victims of violence, our kids go to the same schools, do you honestly think we don't care? Grow up.
Do you not know what systemic means?
Frankly, that's something which government and 'society' as a whole can't help with directly, and which people have to work on themselves and within that community.
Me: Systemic racism exists
You: but what about this effect of systemic racism
Me: Yes, that is definetely an effect of Sytemic Racism, good example
You: You don't like that I'm mentioning this clear and obvious effect of systemic racism
It's a weird conversation.
Similarly we have no problem with James Bond having a Scots, English, Irish or indeed Australian accent, having brown or blue eyes, chest hair or no chest hair, but if a black actor is ever cast in the role we all know how the usual suspects will react.
The source said: "Eddie is MIA [missing in action]. He is technically about but people have been told not to email Ed Lister — there is no point if you want a response. He is not going anywhere but he is not doing very much." The claim was categorically denied by Number 10.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/06/03/michael-goves-cabinet-office-overseenew-covid-19-alert-system/
You aren't very good at this.
Mr. xP, you just beat me to it.
You're deluded mate, you're the problem. And keep telling yourself I read the Daily Mail.
And equally competent