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A family member’s been to York Hospital today for a minor procedure. They were told that the number of Covid patients in there had gone down to 10 at one point, it’s now back up to 67.
Can’t vouch for accuracy just thought I’d mention it to you lot.0 -
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Has he ever been spotted in Barnard Castle?kle4 said:
He has to know no one would believe he coincidentally decided to inspect it at that time, he just gets pleasure from bullshitting. It has always worked for him up to now.Theuniondivvie said:'I didn't need those incontinence pants, I was just inspecting them.'
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I guess the kneeling didn't work.Scott_xP said:1 -
I think this is a very good lecture from Whitty explaining why certain changes have been allowed.0
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This is unacceptable and needs condemning across the political spectrumScott_xP said:1 -
Mr Blue's religious fervour for a man that is demonstrating himself to have (as I have always believed) zero qualities for the job is quite quaint to behold. I think even HYUFD is having doubts about Johnson. I will be surprised to see him have the energy for 10 months, let alone 10 years. He also has the perfect excuse to step down from a job that even he now knows he clearly isn't up toIanB2 said:
He’s struggling so badly after just months that it is almost impossible to see him lasting out ten years.BluestBlue said:
The Conservatives are still leading Mr. Boring's party very comfortably, they have a virtually unassailable position in Parliament, and Boris has every chance of being Prime Minister for a decade if he runs another good campaign next time.Mysticrose said:
For the first time I'm really beginning to think he won't make 2024.Barnesian said:
I agree on your last point.Big_G_NorthWales said:
He may but if it comes over to the public he is playing politics with this pandemic he will not win over convertsBarnesian said:
Starmer got Johnson to concede that shielded MPs will get a proxy vote (not just pairing) in contradiction to Rees-Mogg line yesterday. That was a win for Starmer.Big_G_NorthWales said:
With respect you know that is nonsenseCorrectHorseBattery said:Dreadful performance by Johnson
I have been a strong critic of Boris recently but when he puts in a good performance I will say so
Indeed you need to see the number of my posts that have praised Starmer recently
Overall I thought it was a bit uninspiring on both sides. I'd expected a better quality joust. There is no doubt that Starmer looks more prime ministerial than Johnson!
Also I do not expect him to be against Boris in 2024
Johnson is not well and he's not enjoying this one little bit. Everywhere he looks is a problem - Covid, Brexit, Trump. He can't be cheerful and positive which is his default position. And he has a young baby at home. I have money on him retiring later this year. Followed by Gove or Hunt.
There's another thing. His popularity is plummeting: Reuters polling said that in fifty years they had never seen such a sudden and dramatic fall in approval ratings (sorry bluestblue). Whereas Cummings couldn't care, Johnson really, really cares about whether he is liked. It's one of the reasons he can't stand scrutiny. The other being that lying courses through his veins and he hates being exposed.
Johnson will hate it that the scales are tumbling from people's eyes. Without this virus he would have been hoping to carry on with his bumbling obfuscation blather and blah-blah. Now he's in the spotlight, although he is trying his best to step away from tripping the light fantastic.
The man's been laid bare: like a jhator carcass on which the vultures are settling to feast.
Sorry, Mysticrose - not everyone turns tail and runs at the slightest whiff of grapeshot.3 -
He is pretty good. Exceptional in comparison with our politicians across all the parties.MikeL said:I think this is a very good lecture from Whitty explaining why certain changes have been allowed.
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Social distancing is so last month...Scott_xP said:twitter.com/skymarkwhite/status/1268217398861193223
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I think it took several decades for the Ugandan Asian immigrants rightly let in in the early Seventies to vote Conservative in significant numbers.Malmesbury said:
More than one progressive acquaintance has latched onto this as racist. Yes, it is racist to give UK residency to HK citizens. Why you ask?Brom said:
Oh dear Scott must be livid about Hong Kong citizens over here. Only white faced European immigration pleases him.Scott_xP said:
The Gammons are also unhappyRichard_Nabavi said:Liam Fox can be surprisingly sensible sometimes:
I’m afraid I simply cannot get my head around the public health mental gymnastics of this policy [Priti Patel's announcement on the quarantine scheme].
If such a barrier was required, why was it not introduced earlier in the outbreak?
And if it is a contingency measure against a second wave, why apply it to countries with a lower infection rate than we already have?
Surely the answer lies in the government’s test-and-trace system, rather than unnecessary economic isolation.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2020/jun/03/uk-coronavirus-live-keir-starmer-boris-johnson-lockdown-easing-pmqs-covid-19-latest-updates-news
https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1268186705846325249
It's a fair question to ask about infastructure but let's be honest the number will end up being in the hundreds of thousands worst case scenario rather than 3 million.
- "The Tories are trying to import voters, not proper immigrants*"
- "The Tories are trying to suppress real immigration"
- "The Tories are trying to suppress immigration of Muslims"
*On questioning, this is apparently a NoTrueScotsman* issue - an immigrant who votes Tory isn't really an immigrant.
It may well be the same from Hong Kong. Not all passport holders will be entrepeneurs. Many will be elderly and unskilled.
In practice, I think few will come.0 -
17 Stone? Surely not. If he is no wonder he is breathless!Nigel_Foremain said:
He has a lot to lose -not criticising him for it btw, I know how hard it is, but he was 17 stone apparently, which is seriously obese for a man that is only 5'9''Big_G_NorthWales said:
He seems to have lost weight but weight is a factor in lung capacityNigel_Foremain said:
Or possibly when he is under pressure he breaths like other obese people do.Pulpstar said:
Spotted this at PMQs today.Big_G_NorthWales said:
There seems clear evidence his breathing capacity has been effectedTOPPING said:Blimey Boris is struggling lung-wise!
I am a similar height and age to Johnson, a little ahead of him in years, but not too far. Weighing in at around 5 stones less than Johnson, my Doctor reckoned I was still a stone/stone and a half over weight. He maintained at 12/12.5 stones I was verging on the obese.
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Quite - I just found the complex stumbling over the issue from the progressive types funny. They were having a hard time to say what they wanted to say - wrong kind of immigrants....Foxy said:
I think it took several decades for the Ugandan Asian immigrants rightly let in in the early Seventies to vote Conservative in significant numbers.Malmesbury said:
More than one progressive acquaintance has latched onto this as racist. Yes, it is racist to give UK residency to HK citizens. Why you ask?Brom said:
Oh dear Scott must be livid about Hong Kong citizens over here. Only white faced European immigration pleases him.Scott_xP said:
The Gammons are also unhappyRichard_Nabavi said:Liam Fox can be surprisingly sensible sometimes:
I’m afraid I simply cannot get my head around the public health mental gymnastics of this policy [Priti Patel's announcement on the quarantine scheme].
If such a barrier was required, why was it not introduced earlier in the outbreak?
And if it is a contingency measure against a second wave, why apply it to countries with a lower infection rate than we already have?
Surely the answer lies in the government’s test-and-trace system, rather than unnecessary economic isolation.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2020/jun/03/uk-coronavirus-live-keir-starmer-boris-johnson-lockdown-easing-pmqs-covid-19-latest-updates-news
https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1268186705846325249
It's a fair question to ask about infastructure but let's be honest the number will end up being in the hundreds of thousands worst case scenario rather than 3 million.
- "The Tories are trying to import voters, not proper immigrants*"
- "The Tories are trying to suppress real immigration"
- "The Tories are trying to suppress immigration of Muslims"
*On questioning, this is apparently a NoTrueScotsman* issue - an immigrant who votes Tory isn't really an immigrant.
It may well be the same from Hong Kong. Not all passport holders will be entrepeneurs. Many will be elderly and unskilled.
In practice, I think few will come.0 -
So we are petrified that returning Brits might import into the country something they are statistically much more likely to have exported on their departure?Scott_xP said:0 -
This has the potential to be far worse than Cheltenham and to make matters worse most are BMEeadric said:State of these fucking idiots
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It wasn't an instruction, old bean, it was an encouragement ! And I will continue to offer it to anyone who needs to, because anyone who still things Boris Johnson is a good PM, and thinks that anyone has forgotten the Cummy story is clearly lagging behind a bit, so come on...keep up!Big_G_NorthWales said:
My comments on Boris are fair and critical but I take no instructions from anyone to 'keep up please'Nigel_Foremain said:
You are right, it has, except now it is why did Bozo keep him? It is because he is crap. Keep up please! You have got to stop apologising for him Big G, you know he is hopeless too!Big_G_NorthWales said:
The story has moved onScott_xP said:0 -
We really need the great british summer wash out for a few weeks.0
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By adjusting the terms of reference to suit one's agenda, meeting all the tests is a piece of cake.MikeL said:Whitty saves the day!
Alert level and 5 tests are separate matters!
Can meet tests and thus ease restrictions even if Alert level remains the same.
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Who is next? Jimmy Carter at 7pm and the ghost of Nixon at 10pm?CarlottaVance said:This'll set him off:
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Starmer needs to make a statement. He's stirring up the mob and it's his duty to put a stop to this nonsense.0
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Many doctors religiously, and idiotically, follow the BMI to determine obesity. When I was with UNSCOM, some fool UN doctor told me during my clearance to travel medical that I was obese - as were all the special ops guys who were going into Iraq on inspections. At the time, my body fat (I knew, because I worked cardio a lot at the time) was less than 12%.Mexicanpete said:
17 Stone? Surely not. If he is no wonder he is breathless!Nigel_Foremain said:
He has a lot to lose -not criticising him for it btw, I know how hard it is, but he was 17 stone apparently, which is seriously obese for a man that is only 5'9''Big_G_NorthWales said:
He seems to have lost weight but weight is a factor in lung capacityNigel_Foremain said:
Or possibly when he is under pressure he breaths like other obese people do.Pulpstar said:
Spotted this at PMQs today.Big_G_NorthWales said:
There seems clear evidence his breathing capacity has been effectedTOPPING said:Blimey Boris is struggling lung-wise!
I am a similar height and age to Johnson, a little ahead of him in years, but not too far. Weighing in at around 5 stones less than Johnson, my Doctor reckoned I was still a stone/stone and a half over weight. He maintained at 12/12.5 stones I was verging on the obese.
Obese? At 5 stones lighter than Boris, pour me a pint and pass me a pie!
BMI fails to correct for musculature (and also for height, but that is not an issue with Johnson). It is a useful first cut tool, but needs to be interpreted in context.1 -
For f*ck sake.Scott_xP said:0 -
Should there be questions about Huawei etc in the coronavirus briefing? It is free publicity for the govt without any opportunity for the opposition get any equivalent time, and zero to do with coronavirus.0
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That is what I read in an online article form the Daily Mail, so it could be rubbish, but as it generally supports Johnson I thought it unlikely to be too far off the mark. I suspect he has his suits and shirts made for himMexicanpete said:
17 Stone? Surely not. If he is no wonder he is breathless!Nigel_Foremain said:
He has a lot to lose -not criticising him for it btw, I know how hard it is, but he was 17 stone apparently, which is seriously obese for a man that is only 5'9''Big_G_NorthWales said:
He seems to have lost weight but weight is a factor in lung capacityNigel_Foremain said:
Or possibly when he is under pressure he breaths like other obese people do.Pulpstar said:
Spotted this at PMQs today.Big_G_NorthWales said:
There seems clear evidence his breathing capacity has been effectedTOPPING said:Blimey Boris is struggling lung-wise!
I am a similar height and age to Johnson, a little ahead of him in years, but not too far. Weighing in at around 5 stones less than Johnson, my Doctor reckoned I was still a stone/stone and a half over weight. He maintained at 12/12.5 stones I was verging on the obese.
Obese? At 5 stones lighter than Boris, pour me a pint and pass me a pie!0 -
This is just unacceptable on so many levelstlg86 said:Starmer needs to make a statement. He's stirring up the mob and it's his duty to put a stop to this nonsense.
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Except, as Bozo rightfully warned, all the people meeting in gardens will be tempted to nip indoors when it starts raining.FrancisUrquhart said:We really need the great british summer wash out for a few weeks.
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U r about the same kind of stamp as me, Pete, and believe it or not we are both technically obese - only by about a stone or so though.Mexicanpete said:
17 Stone? Surely not. If he is no wonder he is breathless!Nigel_Foremain said:
He has a lot to lose -not criticising him for it btw, I know how hard it is, but he was 17 stone apparently, which is seriously obese for a man that is only 5'9''Big_G_NorthWales said:
He seems to have lost weight but weight is a factor in lung capacityNigel_Foremain said:
Or possibly when he is under pressure he breaths like other obese people do.Pulpstar said:
Spotted this at PMQs today.Big_G_NorthWales said:
There seems clear evidence his breathing capacity has been effectedTOPPING said:Blimey Boris is struggling lung-wise!
I am a similar height and age to Johnson, a little ahead of him in years, but not too far. Weighing in at around 5 stones less than Johnson, my Doctor reckoned I was still a stone/stone and a half over weight. He maintained at 12/12.5 stones I was verging on the obese.
Obese? At 5 stones lighter than Boris, pour me a pint and pass me a pie!1 -
I doubt that very muchnorthern_monkey said:A family member’s been to York Hospital today for a minor procedure. They were told that the number of Covid patients in there had gone down to 10 at one point, it’s now back up to 67.
Can’t vouch for accuracy just thought I’d mention it to you lot.
https://www.yorkpress.co.uk/news/18493418.no-new-coronavirus-related-deaths-york-trust-third-day-running/
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Willy Brandt knelt in Warsaw:brokenwheel said:
I guess the kneeling didn't work.Scott_xP said:
"Unter der Last der jüngsten Geschichte tat ich, was Menschen tun, wenn die Worte versagen. So gedachte ich Millionen Ermordeter."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kniefall_von_Warschau0 -
It's not all fat, though, is what I've heard. There's plenty of muscle there.Nigel_Foremain said:
That is what I read in an online article form the Daily Mail, so it could be rubbish, but as it generally supports Johnson I thought it unlikely to be too far off the mark. I suspect he has his suits and shirts made for himMexicanpete said:
17 Stone? Surely not. If he is no wonder he is breathless!Nigel_Foremain said:
He has a lot to lose -not criticising him for it btw, I know how hard it is, but he was 17 stone apparently, which is seriously obese for a man that is only 5'9''Big_G_NorthWales said:
He seems to have lost weight but weight is a factor in lung capacityNigel_Foremain said:
Or possibly when he is under pressure he breaths like other obese people do.Pulpstar said:
Spotted this at PMQs today.Big_G_NorthWales said:
There seems clear evidence his breathing capacity has been effectedTOPPING said:Blimey Boris is struggling lung-wise!
I am a similar height and age to Johnson, a little ahead of him in years, but not too far. Weighing in at around 5 stones less than Johnson, my Doctor reckoned I was still a stone/stone and a half over weight. He maintained at 12/12.5 stones I was verging on the obese.
Obese? At 5 stones lighter than Boris, pour me a pint and pass me a pie!0 -
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So what are they going to do about it?Scott_xP said:
One thing that would help me is a bigger post-graduate loan. £10,000 is not enough when my course alone costs £12,000.0 -
Eh? 5'9 you have to be over 14 stones to be obese.Peter_the_Punter said:
U r about the same kind of stamp as me, Pete, and believe it or not we are both technically obese - only by about a stone or so though.Mexicanpete said:
17 Stone? Surely not. If he is no wonder he is breathless!Nigel_Foremain said:
He has a lot to lose -not criticising him for it btw, I know how hard it is, but he was 17 stone apparently, which is seriously obese for a man that is only 5'9''Big_G_NorthWales said:
He seems to have lost weight but weight is a factor in lung capacityNigel_Foremain said:
Or possibly when he is under pressure he breaths like other obese people do.Pulpstar said:
Spotted this at PMQs today.Big_G_NorthWales said:
There seems clear evidence his breathing capacity has been effectedTOPPING said:Blimey Boris is struggling lung-wise!
I am a similar height and age to Johnson, a little ahead of him in years, but not too far. Weighing in at around 5 stones less than Johnson, my Doctor reckoned I was still a stone/stone and a half over weight. He maintained at 12/12.5 stones I was verging on the obese.
Obese? At 5 stones lighter than Boris, pour me a pint and pass me a pie!0 -
If you bank with HSBC or First Direct I urge you to move elsewhere.
Hit them where it hurts.
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They are all political decisions, aren't they? The scientists shouldn't be making decisions.Scott_xP said:0 -
Yes, but Mr Johnson will make him the fall guy. I noted that the non-entity health minister this morning saying that the reason not to have quarantine before was on the advice of the CMO. Ministers no longer take decisions it seems, well blame anyway.noneoftheabove said:
He is pretty good. Exceptional in comparison with our politicians across all the parties.MikeL said:I think this is a very good lecture from Whitty explaining why certain changes have been allowed.
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This sort of thing always does an excellent job of losing support for whatever cause it is they're trying to raise awareness of.eadric said:State of these fucking idiots
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But is he really any good?noneoftheabove said:
Exceptional in comparison with our politicians across all the parties.MikeL said:I think this is a very good lecture from Whitty explaining why certain changes have been allowed.
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very poorTheScreamingEagles said:If you bank with HSBC or First Direct I urge you to move elsewhere.
Hit them where it hurts.
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Of course they get passed on to the tax payer. But suddenly elected politicians, who are responsible for budgets, have a financial incentive to prevent a chunk of their precious tax revenues flowing back out the door.Sean_F said:
The costs would just get passed on to the taxpayer.rcs1000 said:The biggest single thing that the US could do to improve the behaviour of their police forces is to allow police departments and municipalities to be sued.
Imagine if a pharmaceutical company sold a drug that they knew caused - say - birth defects. But imagine that people affected couldn't sue the pharmaceutical company, only the researchers. The pharma company would have no interest in weeding out drugs that could kill people because, hey, if that happened they didn't get sued, some scientist (with no money) would.
That is the situation in the US.
Thanks to Monell vs New York (https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/436/658/) municipal employers can not be held responsible for the actions of their employees.
This is utter madness.
If having a racist or brutal cop cost a police department money (lots, thereof), then they would have an economic interest in weeding out bad apples. Instead, if someone behaves poorly, well it looks bad... but there are no actual financial consequences.
Congress needs to change the law. Police departments need to be on the hook for their employees, or they will never be incentivized to change their behaviour.
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So that's why he has to get his trousers specially made...kinabalu said:
It's not all fat, though, is what I've heard. There's plenty of muscle there.Nigel_Foremain said:
That is what I read in an online article form the Daily Mail, so it could be rubbish, but as it generally supports Johnson I thought it unlikely to be too far off the mark. I suspect he has his suits and shirts made for himMexicanpete said:
17 Stone? Surely not. If he is no wonder he is breathless!Nigel_Foremain said:
He has a lot to lose -not criticising him for it btw, I know how hard it is, but he was 17 stone apparently, which is seriously obese for a man that is only 5'9''Big_G_NorthWales said:
He seems to have lost weight but weight is a factor in lung capacityNigel_Foremain said:
Or possibly when he is under pressure he breaths like other obese people do.Pulpstar said:
Spotted this at PMQs today.Big_G_NorthWales said:
There seems clear evidence his breathing capacity has been effectedTOPPING said:Blimey Boris is struggling lung-wise!
I am a similar height and age to Johnson, a little ahead of him in years, but not too far. Weighing in at around 5 stones less than Johnson, my Doctor reckoned I was still a stone/stone and a half over weight. He maintained at 12/12.5 stones I was verging on the obese.
Obese? At 5 stones lighter than Boris, pour me a pint and pass me a pie!1 -
Ministers deferring to scientists at the start of the pandemic was entirely correct and welcome. I am no fan of the shambolic govt but they get credit from me for that.Nigel_Foremain said:
Yes, but Mr Johnson will make him the fall guy. I noted that the non-entity health minister this morning saying that the reason not to have quarantine before was on the advice of the CMO. Ministers no longer take decisions it seems, well blame anyway.noneoftheabove said:
He is pretty good. Exceptional in comparison with our politicians across all the parties.MikeL said:I think this is a very good lecture from Whitty explaining why certain changes have been allowed.
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Actually this is a very good and mature press conference1
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I am confused, the media were very angry there was not quarantine, now they are very angry there is one...its like they have their holidays booked and worried won't be able to go if they have to isolate for 14 days when they come back.0
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They give scientific advice, they dont make decisions. In a health emergency politicians need to be pretty confident about a call against their advice though. Ultimate responsibility is with the politicians.RobD said:
They are all political decisions, aren't they? The scientists shouldn't be making decisions.Scott_xP said:0 -
Your doctor gives you advice. Not orders. What do you do?noneoftheabove said:
They give scientific advice, they dont make decisions. In a health emergency politicians need to be pretty confident about a call against their advice though. Ultimate responsibility is with the politicians.RobD said:
They are all political decisions, aren't they? The scientists shouldn't be making decisions.Scott_xP said:0 -
Boris seems more pro-lockdown when he's around the scientists and less so at other times.0
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Might be a good idea to head off to Penartheadric said:We are doomed. At least in America the rioters and protestors all wear masks
https://twitter.com/policehour/status/1268222247233376258?s=21
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I think it is fair to think it is pretty dumb to have not had quarantine before, when the likelihood of people bringing in the virus was high and our R-rate was still high, and only now bringing it in. The irony is, which country is going to want to have an "air bridge" with the UK when it has one of the most out of control epidemics in the world? Spain certainly isn't!FrancisUrquhart said:I am confused, the media were very angry there was not quarantine, now they are very angry there is one...its like they have their holidays booked and worried won't be able to go if they have to isolate for 14 days when they come back.
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Not sure on the relevance but happy to play along.Malmesbury said:
Your doctor gives you advice. Not orders. What do you do?noneoftheabove said:
They give scientific advice, they dont make decisions. In a health emergency politicians need to be pretty confident about a call against their advice though. Ultimate responsibility is with the politicians.RobD said:
They are all political decisions, aren't they? The scientists shouldn't be making decisions.Scott_xP said:
If Im in emergency critical care I will follow whatever they say
If its serious but not critical - I would need very good reason not to do as they say
If its not a serious situation - I will bear their advice in mind, research it a bit online and decide how the advice fits in with the rest of my life
Politicians acting similarly to those principles seems fine.0 -
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Yet a large number of districts have no cases at all.rottenborough said:Still around 8K cases a day. Disappointing.
R not coming down fast, says Vallance.0 -
What time does Jezza address the crowd?Pulpstar said:
Might be a good idea to head off to Penartheadric said:We are doomed. At least in America the rioters and protestors all wear masks
https://twitter.com/policehour/status/1268222247233376258?s=21
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Politicians try to deflect any question of there being judgement calls by referencing the science - criticisedScott_xP said:
Politicians making judgement calls - criticised.0 -
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Do keep up!FrancisUrquhart said:I am confused, the media were very angry there was not quarantine, now they are very angry there is one...its like they have their holidays booked and worried won't be able to go if they have to isolate for 14 days when they come back.
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The classic vacillation of the easily led, as opposed to those that lead; a strong desire to be liked by those around him. Have I mentioned before that Boris Johnson has no leadership skills?Pulpstar said:Boris seems more pro-lockdown when he's around the scientists and less so at other times.
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I'm probably unkind as this country does have issues which need dealing with which may provoke protest, but whenever protests and near riots emerge in the UK after provoking incidents in the USA it just feels very 'follow internet trends' as these things go.0
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Barry Gardiner reminding people why they voted Tory at the last election today.4
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They wouldn't even notice. Corporations who piss off Beijing, even unintentionally, seem to learn their lesson pretty quickly.TheScreamingEagles said:If you bank with HSBC or First Direct I urge you to move elsewhere.
Hit them where it hurts.
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The crowd clearly being electrified by Barry's return. The Today show have missed him mind - he's the one source of dope before 8am.rottenborough said:0 -
My point is that not all breaches of lockdown are equal.isam said:
There will be some Olympic level contortions from those who have been saying those breaking lockdown are endangering other peoples livesLostPassword said:
I'm hopeful that activity outside has a very low chance of spread, but the crowds and the chanting will be a strict test of that.isam said:Haven't read the thread, so apologies if others have made the point already, but this madness of huge crowds over Hyde Park, if nothing else, will act as a guide to whether lockdown is necessary anymore.
We have been watching Michael Portillo's Empire programme this afternoon, the episode about South Africa, and looked at twitter afterwards in complete amazement at the scenes. I said to my missus "I bet some ***t tries to blame Dominic Cummings for this". Have they?
It doesn't say much about the risk of spread indoors, though.
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And of course muscle is heavier than fat.kinabalu said:
It's not all fat, though, is what I've heard. There's plenty of muscle there.Nigel_Foremain said:
That is what I read in an online article form the Daily Mail, so it could be rubbish, but as it generally supports Johnson I thought it unlikely to be too far off the mark. I suspect he has his suits and shirts made for himMexicanpete said:
17 Stone? Surely not. If he is no wonder he is breathless!Nigel_Foremain said:
He has a lot to lose -not criticising him for it btw, I know how hard it is, but he was 17 stone apparently, which is seriously obese for a man that is only 5'9''Big_G_NorthWales said:
He seems to have lost weight but weight is a factor in lung capacityNigel_Foremain said:
Or possibly when he is under pressure he breaths like other obese people do.Pulpstar said:
Spotted this at PMQs today.Big_G_NorthWales said:
There seems clear evidence his breathing capacity has been effectedTOPPING said:Blimey Boris is struggling lung-wise!
I am a similar height and age to Johnson, a little ahead of him in years, but not too far. Weighing in at around 5 stones less than Johnson, my Doctor reckoned I was still a stone/stone and a half over weight. He maintained at 12/12.5 stones I was verging on the obese.
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NOTB, I agree with you. Emergency medicine, doctor is pretty much fully in charge. Serious slower moving medical condition, I'll listen, research, ask questions, research some more, ask more questions and after several iterations, make my decision. Non-critical health issues - I'll decide where it fits in with my lifestyle.noneoftheabove said:
Not sure on the relevance but happy to play along.Malmesbury said:
Your doctor gives you advice. Not orders. What do you do?noneoftheabove said:
They give scientific advice, they dont make decisions. In a health emergency politicians need to be pretty confident about a call against their advice though. Ultimate responsibility is with the politicians.RobD said:
They are all political decisions, aren't they? The scientists shouldn't be making decisions.Scott_xP said:
If Im in emergency critical care I will follow whatever they say
If its serious but not critical - I would need very good reason not to do as they say
If its not a serious situation - I will bear their advice in mind, research it a bit online and decide how the advice fits in with the rest of my life
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Given that, according to David Paton, there have been very few new infections in much of North Yorkshire in the last week that sounds unlikely.northern_monkey said:A family member’s been to York Hospital today for a minor procedure. They were told that the number of Covid patients in there had gone down to 10 at one point, it’s now back up to 67.
Can’t vouch for accuracy just thought I’d mention it to you lot.0 -
My take.
Most significant thing today. Johnson promised to be interventionist and guaranteed an apprenticeship for all young people.0 -
That sounds a lot on the high side. I suspect frame and build come into it.noneoftheabove said:
Eh? 5'9 you have to be over 14 stones to be obese.Peter_the_Punter said:
U r about the same kind of stamp as me, Pete, and believe it or not we are both technically obese - only by about a stone or so though.Mexicanpete said:
17 Stone? Surely not. If he is no wonder he is breathless!Nigel_Foremain said:
He has a lot to lose -not criticising him for it btw, I know how hard it is, but he was 17 stone apparently, which is seriously obese for a man that is only 5'9''Big_G_NorthWales said:
He seems to have lost weight but weight is a factor in lung capacityNigel_Foremain said:
Or possibly when he is under pressure he breaths like other obese people do.Pulpstar said:
Spotted this at PMQs today.Big_G_NorthWales said:
There seems clear evidence his breathing capacity has been effectedTOPPING said:Blimey Boris is struggling lung-wise!
I am a similar height and age to Johnson, a little ahead of him in years, but not too far. Weighing in at around 5 stones less than Johnson, my Doctor reckoned I was still a stone/stone and a half over weight. He maintained at 12/12.5 stones I was verging on the obese.
Obese? At 5 stones lighter than Boris, pour me a pint and pass me a pie!0 -
... for those countries with higher rates of infection. I assume your misrepresentation isn’t wilful but one of genuine misunderstanding of what was said.Big_G_NorthWales said:Vallance confirming Sage advice is for the 14 day quarantine
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Useless. The system is so corrupt that they're undercharged and often are found innocentSean_F said:
The costs would just get passed on to the taxpayer.rcs1000 said:The biggest single thing that the US could do to improve the behaviour of their police forces is to allow police departments and municipalities to be sued.
Imagine if a pharmaceutical company sold a drug that they knew caused - say - birth defects. But imagine that people affected couldn't sue the pharmaceutical company, only the researchers. The pharma company would have no interest in weeding out drugs that could kill people because, hey, if that happened they didn't get sued, some scientist (with no money) would.
That is the situation in the US.
Thanks to Monell vs New York (https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/436/658/) municipal employers can not be held responsible for the actions of their employees.
This is utter madness.
If having a racist or brutal cop cost a police department money (lots, thereof), then they would have an economic interest in weeding out bad apples. Instead, if someone behaves poorly, well it looks bad... but there are no actual financial consequences.
Congress needs to change the law. Police departments need to be on the hook for their employees, or they will never be incentivized to change their behaviour.
I would rather see police officers made criminally liable for failure to prevent crimes committed by their colleagues.0 -
https://www.nhs.uk/live-well/healthy-weight/bmi-calculator/Mexicanpete said:
That sounds a lot on the high side. I suspect frame and build come into it.noneoftheabove said:
Eh? 5'9 you have to be over 14 stones to be obese.Peter_the_Punter said:
U r about the same kind of stamp as me, Pete, and believe it or not we are both technically obese - only by about a stone or so though.Mexicanpete said:
17 Stone? Surely not. If he is no wonder he is breathless!Nigel_Foremain said:
He has a lot to lose -not criticising him for it btw, I know how hard it is, but he was 17 stone apparently, which is seriously obese for a man that is only 5'9''Big_G_NorthWales said:
He seems to have lost weight but weight is a factor in lung capacityNigel_Foremain said:
Or possibly when he is under pressure he breaths like other obese people do.Pulpstar said:
Spotted this at PMQs today.Big_G_NorthWales said:
There seems clear evidence his breathing capacity has been effectedTOPPING said:Blimey Boris is struggling lung-wise!
I am a similar height and age to Johnson, a little ahead of him in years, but not too far. Weighing in at around 5 stones less than Johnson, my Doctor reckoned I was still a stone/stone and a half over weight. He maintained at 12/12.5 stones I was verging on the obese.
Obese? At 5 stones lighter than Boris, pour me a pint and pass me a pie!1 -
It would be possible to be angry at not implementing one earlier, and being angry at one now if, they believe, it will do no good now.FrancisUrquhart said:I am confused, the media were very angry there was not quarantine, now they are very angry there is one...its like they have their holidays booked and worried won't be able to go if they have to isolate for 14 days when they come back.
It's quite possible it is merely being unreasonable, but I can see a path to reasonableness.0 -
In the first clip, anyway, the people filming them seem to outnumber the demonstrators.eadric said:We are doomed. At least in America the rioters and protestors all wear masks
https://twitter.com/policehour/status/1268222247233376258?s=21
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Australian journalists haven't had much luck. One assaulted by the police in the USA, another assaulted by an islamist nutjob here.Andy_JS said:0 -
Indeed.Andy_JS said:
Yet a large number of districts have no cases at all.rottenborough said:Still around 8K cases a day. Disappointing.
R not coming down fast, says Vallance.
And R doesn't need to come down either fast or slow as long as it is below 1.
And didn't Vallance say that new infections 'could' be 'up to' 8,000 per day not that there were 8,000 per day ?0 -
Simply amazing that he should advertise his stupidity. If you are going to join a noisy crowd singing and shouting now, you might as well not have bothered socially distancing at all in the last 12 weeks or soPulpstar said:Barry Gardiner reminding people why they voted Tory at the last election today.
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Especially when they ignore much more serious police brutality in dozens of other countries around the world.kle4 said:I'm probably unkind as this country does have issues which need dealing with which may provoke protest, but whenever protests and near riots emerge in the UK after provoking incidents in the USA it just feels very 'follow internet trends' as these things go.
All these demonstrations say very little about social conditions in America, much more about the power of the American media.
Also about how people don't have enough to do and are bored after weeks of lockdown.0 -
I feel I should be under 11 stone. In my twenties when I ran, worked out but drank like a fish I would have struggled to make ten and a half stone.Peter_the_Punter said:
U r about the same kind of stamp as me, Pete, and believe it or not we are both technically obese - only by about a stone or so though.Mexicanpete said:
17 Stone? Surely not. If he is no wonder he is breathless!Nigel_Foremain said:
He has a lot to lose -not criticising him for it btw, I know how hard it is, but he was 17 stone apparently, which is seriously obese for a man that is only 5'9''Big_G_NorthWales said:
He seems to have lost weight but weight is a factor in lung capacityNigel_Foremain said:
Or possibly when he is under pressure he breaths like other obese people do.Pulpstar said:
Spotted this at PMQs today.Big_G_NorthWales said:
There seems clear evidence his breathing capacity has been effectedTOPPING said:Blimey Boris is struggling lung-wise!
I am a similar height and age to Johnson, a little ahead of him in years, but not too far. Weighing in at around 5 stones less than Johnson, my Doctor reckoned I was still a stone/stone and a half over weight. He maintained at 12/12.5 stones I was verging on the obese.
Obese? At 5 stones lighter than Boris, pour me a pint and pass me a pie!1 -
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Guessing we'll find it's dropped a lot when the weekly ONS antibody survey comes out (tomorrow iirc).another_richard said:
And didn't Vallance say that new infections 'could' be 'up to' 8,000 per day not that there were 8,000 per day ?
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Id assumed it was a troll account.isam said:
Simply amazing that he should advertise his stupidity. If you are going to join part of a noisy crowd singing and shouting now, you might as well not have bothered socially distancing at all in the last 12 weeks or soPulpstar said:Barry Gardiner reminding people why they voted Tory at the last election today.
Its not as bad as you say though as cases are 90% down on the peak.
So if being in a crowd is 10x riskier than being in a supermarket for example, then being in that crowd today is probably similar risk to being in a supermarket at the peak.0 -
Dido Harding waving the 'White Flag' at Jeremy Hunt. Useless!0
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To be fair most are wearing masks in the second videoeadric said:We are doomed. At least in America the rioters and protestors all wear masks
https://twitter.com/policehour/status/1268222247233376258?s=21
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Oh if it is a troll account then it's me who is advertising my stupidity!noneoftheabove said:
Id assumed it was a troll account.isam said:
Simply amazing that he should advertise his stupidity. If you are going to join part of a noisy crowd singing and shouting now, you might as well not have bothered socially distancing at all in the last 12 weeks or soPulpstar said:Barry Gardiner reminding people why they voted Tory at the last election today.
Its not as bad as you say though as cases are 90% down on the peak.
So if being in a crowd is 10x riskier than being in a supermarket for example, then being in that crowd today is probably similar risk to being in a supermarket at the peak.
I reckon being in a crowd like that today is way more than 10 times riskier than a supermarket at the peak though.0 -
WTF? These arent loans! Businesses would not have taken them if they had to repay them!HYUFD said:0 -
He was actually demanding the re-opening of Alan's Snackbar.Pulpstar said:
Australian journalists haven't had much luck. One assaulted by the police in the USA, another assaulted by an islamist nutjob here.Andy_JS said:
The world beating purveyor of bacon butties in Glasgow closed a few years ago, causing an epidemic of violent protest around the world.1 -
I dont think its a troll account now, it was just my initial reaction as such a strange thing to post.isam said:
Oh if it is a troll account then it's me who is advertising my stupidity!noneoftheabove said:
Id assumed it was a troll account.isam said:
Simply amazing that he should advertise his stupidity. If you are going to join part of a noisy crowd singing and shouting now, you might as well not have bothered socially distancing at all in the last 12 weeks or soPulpstar said:Barry Gardiner reminding people why they voted Tory at the last election today.
Its not as bad as you say though as cases are 90% down on the peak.
So if being in a crowd is 10x riskier than being in a supermarket for example, then being in that crowd today is probably similar risk to being in a supermarket at the peak.
I reckon being in a crowd like that today is way more than 10 times riskier than a supermarket at the peak though.
And my amateur maths is not saying its 10x more likely to be in a crowd today than at the peak, its saying its the same risk given:
if 10x crowd vs supermarket in the same conditions
90% drop in infections in the population
As outdoors is far safer than indoors, and unlike supermarkets there is no touching shared surfaces or aircon Id be surprised if Im miles out in the direction you suggest.0 -
Or:rcs1000 said:Question.
Does shielding someone from the legal consequences of their actions make them:
(a) perform better
(b) perform worse
Answers on a postcard please.
Does shielding someone from the threat of being sued by someone they get on the wrong side of make them:
(a) do their job properly
(b) do it defensively
I’m a teacher, and over the twenty odd years I have been teaching I have had to take more and more account of safeguarding. Much of this is good practice and obviously for the benefit of my pupils, but a large proportion is to protect myself from malicious accusations.
I can understand your point of view here; in fact I think you are probably right. But I can also see legitimate reasons for things being as they are.
That being said, defending American police would be much easier if there were not so many trigger-happy racists in uniform.1 -
I cannot abide Joe Kennedy, but I cannot fault that listHYUFD said:1 -
So the alert level is entirely pointless. Good to have that confirmed.0
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If all teachers were genius-philosopher-saints, then no regulation would be required.Fysics_Teacher said:
Or:rcs1000 said:Question.
Does shielding someone from the legal consequences of their actions make them:
(a) perform better
(b) perform worse
Answers on a postcard please.
Does shielding someone from the threat of being sued by someone they get on the wrong side of make them:
(a) do their job properly
(b) do it defensively
I’m a teacher, and over the twenty odd years I have been teaching I have had to take more and more account of safeguarding. Much of this is good practice and obviously for the benefit of my pupils, but a large proportion is to protect myself from malicious accusations.
I can understand your point of view here; in fact I think you are probably right. But I can also see legitimate reasons for things being as they are.
That being said, defending American police would be much easier if there were not so many trigger-happy racists in uniform.
Sadly, there is a shortage of genius-philosopher-saints.
So regulation and legal liability are what we are left with.0 -
Happy days!noneoftheabove said:
https://www.nhs.uk/live-well/healthy-weight/bmi-calculator/Mexicanpete said:
That sounds a lot on the high side. I suspect frame and build come into it.noneoftheabove said:
Eh? 5'9 you have to be over 14 stones to be obese.Peter_the_Punter said:
U r about the same kind of stamp as me, Pete, and believe it or not we are both technically obese - only by about a stone or so though.Mexicanpete said:
17 Stone? Surely not. If he is no wonder he is breathless!Nigel_Foremain said:
He has a lot to lose -not criticising him for it btw, I know how hard it is, but he was 17 stone apparently, which is seriously obese for a man that is only 5'9''Big_G_NorthWales said:
He seems to have lost weight but weight is a factor in lung capacityNigel_Foremain said:
Or possibly when he is under pressure he breaths like other obese people do.Pulpstar said:
Spotted this at PMQs today.Big_G_NorthWales said:
There seems clear evidence his breathing capacity has been effectedTOPPING said:Blimey Boris is struggling lung-wise!
I am a similar height and age to Johnson, a little ahead of him in years, but not too far. Weighing in at around 5 stones less than Johnson, my Doctor reckoned I was still a stone/stone and a half over weight. He maintained at 12/12.5 stones I was verging on the obese.
Obese? At 5 stones lighter than Boris, pour me a pint and pass me a pie!1 -
Gardiner's done it - Uniting the nation
https://twitter.com/MissTaffBrit/status/1268224562673713162
https://twitter.com/WeRThe48Percent/status/12682132786202050571 -
Its lucky for Vallance that's he already been given his knighthood.Andy_JS said:
Because on this year's performance he wouldn't be getting one.1
